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An Iowa City With A Population Of 7,000 Will Receive Armored Military Vehicle

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

I’ve covered the militarization of the domestic police force on several occasions on this website. For those of you who need a refresher, I suggest reading the following:

There are Over 50,000 SWAT Team Raids Annually in America

Retired Marine Colonel to New Hampshire City Council: “We’re Building a Domestic Army”

Video of the Day – Thuggish Militarized Police Terrorize and SWAT Team Iowa Family.

Moving along to the subject of today’s absurdity, the tiny city of Washington, Iowa with a population of 7,000 and 11 police officers, will be receiving a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle. Yes, they will be employing one of these in the field:

These things normally cosy $500,000, but will be given to Washington, Iowa for free under a Defense Department program that gives surplus military equipment to domestic law enforcement.

Matthew Byrd writes in the Daily Iowan that:

Sometimes the news is just so drearily awful that you have to sit back and almost appreciate the pure comedy induced by it.

 

Take this item from Washington, Iowa, where the local police have recently acquired an MRAP vehicle (short for Mine Resistance Ambush Protected) through a Defense Department program that donates excess vehicles originally produced for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to local police departments across the United States, including other Iowa towns such as Mason City and Storm Lake.

 

The MRAP weighs an impressive 49,000 pounds, stands 10-feet tall, and possesses a whopping six-wheel drive. Originally designed to resist landmines and IEDs, it sure seems like the MRAP will come in handy for the notorious war zone otherwise known as Washington County, Iowa.

 

If you’re having a bad day, I highly recommend watching a video produced by the Des Moines Register in which Washington police officials try to justify the possession of a vehicle it clearly has no use for. The excuses range from school shootings (which are an actual concern but an MRAP seems like overkill) to a terrorist attack happening in central Iowa (because if there’s any place that seems ripe for a high-profile terrorist attack it’s Washington, Iowa, population 7,000).

 

As Radley Balko, the author of the book The Rise of the Warrior Cop, an expose of the police militarization of the last decade, found, in 2006 alone the Pentagon, “distributed vehicles worth $15.4 million, aircraft worth $8.9 million, boats worth $6.7 million, weapons worth $1 million and “other” items worth $110.6 million to local police agencies.”

 

The effects of cops moving from handguns to assault rifles and being equipped with tanks, bazookas, and Kevlar has been twofold. First, civil liberties have absolutely been eroded, with police-brutality rates skyrocketing in last decade according to the Justice Department. Not only that, but, with the influx of military gear into local police forces, cops begin to view themselves as soldiers whose main job is combat rather than keeping the peace. How else can you explain the rise in police shootings since 9/11?

USA! USA! USA!

Keep chanting like idiots until one of these rolls up to your doorstep.

Full article here.

 

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Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:08 | 4640266 CharliePrince
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 trigger happy   anyone

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:11 | 4640278 ParkAveFlasher
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Praerie dogs betta watch their ass!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:14 | 4640297 nuclearsquid
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I cynically think this is more about pork, graft, corruption, than it is about oppression.  I could be convinced otherwise with the right evidence, but until that day, i just don't think our government is competent enough to pull this off anymore (to illustrate, one need look no further than the botched Iraq and Afghanistan invasions).

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:19 | 4640320 zaphod
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So what happens if someone in Iowa blows it up, for fun while no one is in it and no one gets hurt? Will the FEDs storm Iowa with troops and install their own garrison?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:21 | 4640345 Two-bits
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Posse Comatose.

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:29 | 4640351 ZerOhead
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"Give a man a hammer and every problem looks like a nail."

Give a bunch of bored cops an armored personnel carrier and every problem looks like Fallujah.

(At the very least corn yields in the fields will be down 10-20% around Washington)

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:29 | 4640386 Manthong
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That is a personnel transport protection tool.

What do you have to do when you have arrived at point “B” from point “A”?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:34 | 4640401 NoDebt
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The next Rotary Club meeting (read: far-right extremist militia meeting) in town is going to be one to remember when that thing rolls up and through the front door.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:44 | 4640457 CheapBastard
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...and the kickback to the Mayor [and city council memebers who voted for it] is....how much?

Next they'll see scanners and metal detectors at Joe's Grocery, Morty's Deli and Mary's Bakery and surveillance cams on every street corner..... one can never be too secure.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:47 | 4640485 zerozulu
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Dry Run.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:56 | 4640531 linniepar
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More like pre-deployment.  Can't be moving machines while riots are already instigated by alCIAda.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:17 | 4640622 Stackers
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The TVNews interview of the police department is gold

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/kyle-munson/2014/04/05...

 

With doozies like

"I hope it's not used a lot,"

"We're being laughed at," said Shellmyer, 78. "I went to Ainsworth the other day, and everybody wants to ask me if we're sleeping better at night now that we have the 'tank.' "

"I just think it's a great way to help the taxpayers," she said, "because they're not paying for items twice." ..... how about not paying for shit we dont need once ?

"It's just crazy to think the police are going to go door to door" ....... unless you live in Boston anyway

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:45 | 4640748 PT
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White Elephant?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant

Now you just have to train the police how to use it, train the local mechanic to fix it, maintain, buy weird shaped ( and priced ) tyres, oil filters etc for it ....

Is this how the DoD gets the maintenance costs off of their books for a few years so that they can claim they have reduced spending?  Or is it to clear up the books so they can buy another one - gotta keep the manufacturers manufacturing, don't want any unemployed ...

 

 

Queue the next Die Hard movie where the bad guy finds one of his henchmen dead with a cardboard sign, "Now I have a MRAP".

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:50 | 4640769 PT
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How many gallons per mile does it drink?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:00 | 4640801 weburke
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There are those who say the spartan army of north korea will be shown the open door to north america. through cuba and points north. the absurd indian reservation -nation- laws were passed without any indian lobby help. for mischief/betrayal.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:30 | 4640920 Herd Redirectio...
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When SHTF, law enforcement and ex-military will form the backbone of the new gangs. 

It will be medieval Europe all over again, pledging fealty to your local warlord.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 18:02 | 4641004 SWRichmond
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These things a effing death traps and only cops who think they're cool should get in them.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 18:59 | 4641173 johngaltfla
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It's an ongoing program as part of expanding his new brown shirts....and has been for years.

 

 

Obama’s SS is Here NOW

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:12 | 4641203 mjcOH1
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"So what happens if someone in Iowa blows it up, for fun while no one is in it and no one gets hurt? Will the FEDs storm Iowa with troops and install their own garrison?"

 

Well.....that's when the AC-130s and JDAMs get called in, right?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:49 | 4640978 waterwitch
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Not to worry, Iowa produces a shitload of ethanol.  Gotta support those subsidies all around don't you know.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 06:49 | 4642442 PT
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Yeah, I was just thinking you could put it in a paddock and attach a harvester to it.  Add a processor and it might make enough ethanol to keep it driving around the paddock.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:05 | 4641558 Carbon Beach
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Just wait until the military starts providing used Pave Lows or Warthogs... to ex military, er, cops. It will be interesting to see how those high speed chases will end with a few thousand rounds sprayed at random.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 21:03 | 4641566 Carbon Beach
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Just wait until the military starts providing used Pave Lows or Warthogs... to ex military, er, cops. It will be interesting to see how those high speed chases will end with a few thousand rounds sprayed at random.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:16 | 4640619 cdude
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Next?  Look around, its already here.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:45 | 4640467 Four chan
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military want to kill the enemy they are trained to do that, brainwashed to be desensitized

to killing and death till they are hungry for it. all fine and good in theater, but then they get

back to the republic where the constitution applies to individual rights and the only job 

close to the action and adrenalin derived from violence and power against the powerless civilian,

day to day. it's fine but then something happens and they have to fall back on their training,

their brainwashed routine to use the deadly force that brings that greatest rush and 

satisfaction, they are back in theater again surrounded by their fellow military justifying the

mindless violence as necessary, their limited
minds unable to conceive of any peaceful solution. 
no police force should be more than 50% ex military or some similar small percentage of trained killers,

for the good of the civilian population
and the republic to which we aspire.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:11 | 4640596 Overfed
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Military service should be an automatic disqualifier from domestic police service.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:48 | 4640754 Four chan
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i tend to agree but since vietnam we have militarized the civilian police with typical results of brutalized citizenry.

todays force is what, 90% ex military? posse comitatus was outlawed and warned against by the founders, but

since out republic has been lost long ago, this is the road we are now on.

 

the patriot is the new terrorist. 

 

the republic is the new democracy.

 

freedom is the new debt slavery

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:01 | 4640819 manofthenorth
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Remembering Kent State.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 02:49 | 4642279 mkkby
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Hey, does Barney Fife still keep his one bullet in his shirt pocket? 

The bozo clown town won't be able to afford gas and maintenance for this white elephant.  I predict it will just sit in one place and rust.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 02:21 | 4650379 PT
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When the police aren't using it, perhaps they could rent it out.  Farmers might find a use for it, or a couple of boys could take it out on a hunting trip ...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:19 | 4640862 ebworthen
Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:00 | 4640812 manofthenorth
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Great point. I agree. Some very quick and incomplete research would suggest that depending on the department in question anywhere from 20-70% of officers have some military experience, not necessarily combat related. Coming from 2 military families I have the deepest respect for those that volunteer for service. That being said in light of incidents such as the Ft. Hood shootings (note the plural ) I do not think these folks are cut out for peacetime civilian domestic police duty. They damn sure do not need APC's and LRAD type equipment !

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:32 | 4640926 Herd Redirectio...
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Respect for the men in service, sure.  Respect for the men they are in service to, uuuh,  no.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:58 | 4640800 indygo55
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Posse Comatose.

 

Good one! ;-)

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:26 | 4640660 quasimodo
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Nah, instead they will throw the perps in a shit filled feedlot or hog finisher. I drive by these about every square mile, trust me.....jail would be heaven compared to that.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:20 | 4640333 Hippocratic Oaf
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Really?

Have you noticed the number of rounds the DHS has been purchasing lately?

I don't think it's to protect us from those nasty mexicans.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:23 | 4640350 El Vaquero
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This country is arming itself for a civil war.  It's not just the gooberment that is stocking up on ammo.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:32 | 4640400 SmackDaddy
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Really makes me wonder sometimes about the gun lobby.  And this is coming from someone who owns a Thompson 45, AKs, ARs, etc etc...  It's one thing to enjoy shooting and be prepared for self defense within the context of a civilized socierty.  But something makes me feel they are supplying us with the tools of our own destruction....

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:43 | 4640880 DoneThis2Long
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or at least an excuse to 'one-up' us!

we buy cheap over-stock East Block Aks, they now demand combat gear, full autos, 50 cals, etc.

10-15 years ago, we were a nation of law abiding citizens, minding our own business fully employed, and the leading nation. Fast forward, today, we are the scum of the earth, requiring cops ride in these things, the Constitution trampled on, too damn dumb and/or lazy to hold a job, and even need the feds to tell us what to eat, when, how much, etc.

We sure went downhill fast...

EDIT: 'shpeleeng errors" - damn spell checker on the update .... no good... :(.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:41 | 4641886 whotookmyalias
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But the gubbimint says we are all safer now because they are protecting us from terrorism, income inequality, lack of health care, and most of all lack of full amnesty for breaking immigration laws (becuse we know those don't really matter as much as the other laws like that we can't let our cows graze on protected tortoise turf).

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:22 | 4642008 DoneThis2Long
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and don't 'fergit' ... the children!!! They are so much better off not to mention, they will have 'turd-toysez' to play with forever and ever and ever!!! Since the gubbermint write the history books, and herd the media, the ranchers will never be heard of/about again, the herd will be sold with the proceeds going for much needed funds for another Holder private jet ass-haul, or another obama vacation/golf outting.

Damn, what a nation os panzis we've become.

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:34 | 4640416 JohnG
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This is handy:

http://gunbot.net

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:39 | 4641484 XitSam
Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:53 | 4640522 Freddie
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Anyone know if a .308 will take out those tires or .50 BMG?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:00 | 4640550 BTCTalks
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Run flat tires with steel core.

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 10:22 | 4642990 fallout11
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Both will, however, penetrate the differential pumpkin.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:04 | 4640569 post turtle saver
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a .308 won't but a certain cocktail will

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:37 | 4641476 snr-moment
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heavy weight motor oil can be used in place of sugar

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:35 | 4640705 olenumbersix
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Tiger trap (drop it in a hole ) then set it ablaze. worthless without ground support. can't find a hole just box it in drop a building on it. torch it. My guess is shit hits the fan our boys aint gonna suport tptb againist their own families, friends, ect. so no sweat. Cops ummm that may be a differant story. I wonder what kinda gas milage it gets ?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:38 | 4640951 Darth Stacker
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Hey Old 6, I used to think like you but my thinking has evolved recently. I used to think that what happen in Munich in the 30's could never happen in our Christian Republic. Now I feel that the federal agents will run over ordinary citizens rights with every bit of zeal as Hitler's Brownshirts. Just get between a federal worker who is drunk with power and his safe and cushy job with golden beni's and you will see them trample on the constitution to keep their boot on your throat.

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:01 | 4641182 KickIce
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I would have to agree as there have been tests where the subject has been informed that he/she is about to administer a fatal dose of electricity to another person.  I don't recall the exact results, but the majority would deliver the lethal dose as long as the instruction came from someone they considered an authority figure.  as you mentioned, the situation becomes even worse when a paycheck is involved.

Lots of brownshirts throughout history, they're just repackage relabeled again and again.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:01 | 4641946 Mentalic
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That would be the Stanley Milgram experiment.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:18 | 4641999 KickIce
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grassyass for the clarification.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:13 | 4641204 Freddie
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Get to know your neighbors. The women in neighborhoods know everything about the neighbors. They will know who is a .gov goon. A flak jacket goon will be running home to check on the family and his worthless shit. His boat or homefront might get torched. They start police state crap then things on the homefront will not be pretty and if momma ain't happy then nobody ain't happy. Single guys? Well they have girlfriends and stuff at home. Gets hard to maintain lockdown for more than 48 hours. If goons get jumped by the locals then the neighbors are going to be saying that they saw nothing.   Find out who your neighbors are.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 22:09 | 4641793 Iam_Silverman
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"worthless without ground support."

This is the first rule they teach in mechanized battalions.  Don't let anyone convince you to advance without infantry!

Last year at the Virginia State Fair, the local sheriff's dept. was showing off their MRAP.  I tried to help them out by giving them a tip my brother shared with me.  I told them that the two grab handles on either side of the rear door would allow someone to "pipe" their exit.  That is when the deputy in digicamo fatigues spouted off - "well, that's when we come out of the top".  He couldn't understand my guffaws after that.  I had to explain to him that was exactly the behavior that was expected.  I asked him how he planned to aim and fire on a target while his hands were above his head fighting with the hatch.  They'll make fine Johnny Pop-up targets for the sharpshooters.  I told him my brother's company lost four this way until they figured out to cut the grab handles off for the back door.  He still didn't get it.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:21 | 4640637 seek
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Yes, but that still doesn't explain the 22LR shortage. Given availability I don't think it's civvies stocking up in spite of what's been said; I really wish there was an ammo company Snowden equivalent that would explain WTF happened. .223 shortage post CT made sense, but even that's available now. 22LR is mostly a ghost.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:34 | 4641470 snr-moment
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Nope.  Makes perfect sense.  Can't teach your kids to shoot using .308 or .30-06.  Can't teach your kids to shoot in a city.  Take out the 22LR, eliminate all future shooters.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:43 | 4641504 XitSam
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You can teach kids to shoot an AR-15. The Army does. More expensive though.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:49 | 4640496 Confused
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I've wondered about that in terms of this: is it possible that was done to try and drive up the price of ammo by limiting (or trying to) the supply? There was some talk about legislation affecting ammo sales/purchases (if I remember correctly). But since there was little to no chance of that getting through, this is a way for the administration to (not so silently) raise the price in an effort to make it more difficult for people to purchase? 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:11 | 4640597 Leaping Lizard
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They are buying hollow points - not full metal jackets.  It would be internationally illegal to shoot Mexicans or Canadians with them.  I am trying to figure out who's left...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:01 | 4640818 Carl Popper
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Soft level 3a body armor stops those nicely.  

 

Stock up at bulletproof me.com

 

 

 

Great specials on used body armor. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:41 | 4640347 Future Jim
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It is almost as if Iraq and Afghanistan were also about developing the ability to counter at asymetric warfare, which could then applied in America, but if that were the case, then we would probably see IED resistant armored vehicles being deployed in America ...

All the signs are there that the US government is trying deperately to provoke armed conflict to justify more of a police state.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:46 | 4640482 seek
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"...US government is trying deperately to provoke armed conflict to justify more of a police state."

I've noticed this as well, there was a sudden rhetoric change among some of what I'd call more dubious (i.e. planted) rightwing bloggers a few months ago that looks awfully well-coordinated. We saw the same tactics in the early 90s.

It's bad enough that my thoughts now are to not resist (at least short term), but rather let the government continue, because given how power goes to the police's heads, I'm positive some truly insane event will take place soon that will cause most of the population to turn on government overnight. If resistance occurs to early, instead you get this, the government justifying more police state tactics -- and I'd much rather see them fall over themselves in a losing battle of trying to justify keeping the power they already have after some police atrocity.

(Case in point, look at how fucked up NM cops are looking like now between compulsory anal cavity searches and executing homeless people on video. The kind of mental switch-flipping that's been accomplished in the general population with a dozen bad cops would have taken years, if not decades, of conventional rhetoric to accomplish.)

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:04 | 4640567 centerline
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+1.  Just like always, there will be some polarizing event.  Something the MSM won't be able to ignore or perhaps will grab with both hands and ram home.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:50 | 4641534 XitSam
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The MSM won't ignore it, but they will spin the event and the response to the totalitarian side.  The internet and social media are key in the upcoming fight to counter this. It ain't going to be your grandfather's revolution.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:26 | 4640663 El Vaquero
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Dude, NM cops have been bad for a while.  Some departments around the state aren't that bad, but I had a run-in with APD 10 or so years ago that left an impression on me.  I had about 200 witnesses, so I managed to get away with screaming in his face after he pointed pepper spray at me for daring to ask what city ordinance I had broken.  He told me to do one thing, then cussed me out for not doing another.  It was amazing how quick the pepper spray disappeared when I pointed at and said "You spray me with that and you won't have a job in the morning and then I'll sue your ass."  The cocksucker obviously knew he was being excessive.  After that it was about 2 minutes of me repeatedly screaming "WHAT CITY ORDINANCE HAVE I BROKEN?" right in his fucking face, right in front of his subordinates, and right in front of a couple hundred people. 

 

People were looking at me like I was insane, and the next day people expressed their disbelief that I got away with yelling at a cop like that. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:57 | 4640794 valley chick
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And not one of those mindless zombies stood up for you?  I wonder if there will actually be a tipping point where people wake the hell up.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:06 | 4640838 El Vaquero
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Like I say, this was 10 or so years ago.  Maybe 12.  Perceptions were very different back then, and the police state hadn't encroached as far as it has today.  Besides, most people didn't see the pepper spray and weren't paying attention until the screaming started.  I was standing up for myself. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:06 | 4640840 seek
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They had an outright riot on their hands just last week after killing a homeless guy for the Nth time. They're starting to wake.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:23 | 4640899 El Vaquero
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I'd call it a near riot.  And the crowd that was near rioting is not the crowd you want leading us.  Some of them were tagging buildings, stealing street signs and jumping onto innocent people's hoods as they tried to drive by.  They also cornered a couple of cops and started beating on the vehicle, which prompted the massive (and it was massive in an Orwellian sense) police escalation.  I was standing maybe 30-50 feet from the intersection that they tear gassed that night, and those same people scattered like scared little children.  I just stayed where I was (upwind,) and they ran 50-80 feet behind me, then stopped from hiding places and called the cops pussies.  You also had the neo-hippie crowd in there with their dreadlocks beating their drums.  They got gassed too. It did have the potential to descend into true mob violence, which is something that I would be against because they would have broken a lot more than just the shit that the cops have.  I dislike angry mob violence almost as much as I dislike police.

 

The people here who will actually do something when the time comes aren't the type to show up to protests, at least not to participate.  I showed up to watch, but I did not jump in the middle of that shit.  Too many angry mob vibes for my taste, with a sprinkling of some gangbangers in the mix.  It was much better than watching TV, I'll say that. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:53 | 4641336 falconflight
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It just as likely to be Leftists jackbooting...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:23 | 4640348 ZerOhead
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.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:28 | 4640379 SmackDaddy
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Well, as much as I hate them, the muslims did demonstrate that even cave dwelling barbarians can still take the best funded military in the world to a stalemate with fertilizer and propane tanks while wearing sandals with towels on your head.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:32 | 4640402 john39
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>>I hate them

because they invaded your country, bombed your kids and generally terrorized the population? oh wait...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:39 | 4640427 El Vaquero
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I'm not much of a fan of Muslims either.  They'll throw you in prison in Saudi Arabia for drinking scotch because of their religious beliefs. I don't drink scotch all the time, but you do not fuck with a good single malt.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:51 | 4640506 Confused
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Fair enough. But when in Rome and all that.......

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:56 | 4640530 El Vaquero
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I would go to Rome.  Riyadh, not so much.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:06 | 4640579 Confused
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Agreed. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:41 | 4640460 SmackDaddy
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So you're saying we're even John?  But no, I have low regard for superstitious fools (this goes for Christians as well).  But hate them now b/c they are violent little hypocrites.  At least the Christians got that shit out of their system 700 years ago.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:48 | 4640494 Uncle Remus
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Do tell.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:51 | 4640504 SmackDaddy
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Jesus H. Christ - 0 AD, Crusades 1300s?

Mohammed 700 AD, Jihad 2000 AD

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:00 | 4640544 McMolotov
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Apparently 1300 years is roughly the amount of time it takes a religion to reach its violent, batshit insane period.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:16 | 4640626 BlindMonkey
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Ohh. I want to do some suspended animation or some shit and see what the fuck happens to the Mormons.

That should be fun.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:27 | 4640672 McMolotov
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We should all tremble in terror about the magic underwear thing.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:09 | 4641197 KickIce
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Mormons will do just fine, our organization chart is second to none, the church has no debt and our membership has been taught to deal with hard times.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:18 | 4641215 Future Jim
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The Mormon Church seems awfully cozy with the NSA ...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:10 | 4641379 KickIce
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Just because a building is located in Utah doesn't mean it's associated with Mormonism.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:04 | 4641368 CunnyFunt
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Perhaps the elders should consult FEMA's Nuclear Attack Planning Base.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:11 | 4641383 Freddie
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I like Mormons.   They are generally nice people and preppers before there were preppers.  Their only problem is they can sometimes have an ethical blind spot when doing business.  Never buy anything online or from a business in Utah.  The state runs loads of boiler rooms, internet scams and the state does nothing about.  All extended families. 

I once almost did a business deal with a Mormon guy. He went on to be very successful but he was always trying to screw people out of the deal.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:20 | 4641218 RafterManFMJ
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The Mormons? Fuck that wait 'til the Amish go off - and I can assure you they are good riflemen.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:31 | 4640691 Overfed
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Didn't the Crusades begin after several hundred years of muslim aggression and occupation of parts of Europe, or did the Euros just invade muslim lands out of a clear blue sky?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:41 | 4640961 Herd Redirectio...
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Pretty sure they were trying to secure  profits from the Silk Road, seeing as they went seizing ports on the East Mediterranean...

At that point, Europe had seen the Barbarian Invasions (aka the Migration Period), Hunnic invasion, Mongol invasion...

BTW, Barbarian just means 'the bearded ones'.  Probably Slavs, Turks, Arabs, if you consider ethnic groups famous for facial hair (IMO).

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 18:29 | 4641091 Overfed
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I was thinking about the muslim Moors, who controlled southern Europe until they were ejected starting in what, 900 or so? Seems it wasn't long after that when the first Crusade began.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:11 | 4641200 Uncle Remus
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Ah, the libraries of Cordoba. The "invasion of Aristotle". Then the Inquisition in Europe.

Good times.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:03 | 4640561 tarsubil
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Haha, jihad started with the general Mohammed in 700 AD. Jesus never led an army. This comparison is absolutely ludicrous.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:18 | 4640628 Uncle Remus
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.

Jesus never led an army.

Many an army have been led in His name, even to this day.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:29 | 4641239 nmewn
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Thats a little different though.

Beware of false prophets & all that ;-)

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:23 | 4640652 Zerozen
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Agreed, that's a pretty ignorant comparison. Military conquest and jihad with the religion's founder started pretty much from day 1 in the 6th century and continued for a while, all across the middle east, Egypt, Persia and Central Asia, North Africa and on into Spain and France.

Then in the 1400s it came into Europe through the Balkans with much butchering and destruction along the way, destroying Byznatium, Hungary, Serbia, Bosnia and various assorted statelets. That lasted for a few hundred years as well.

The only major incursion by Christians into Muslim lands (which were mostly Christian to begin with anyway before they were overrun) for explicitly religious purposes were the crusades of the 11th to 13th centuries, long after Jesus was out of the scene.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 18:24 | 4641079 Herd Redirectio...
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Depending on if you trust the traditional chronology, I guess.  I've heard a good case made for the man history remembers as Jesus to have lived in the 11th century.  BTW, a new star appeared in the sky in 1054.  Supernova of 1054.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1054

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:24 | 4641426 Freddie
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Islam was checked at the Battle of Lepanto 1571.  What was the deciding factor?  Most likely the Ventians early rifles or arquebusiers.  The barrels were made by a company in Italy called Berretta.  The other was the Battle of Vienna in 1683 when the Polish cavalry came to the rescue of the Austrians and Germans. 

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 10:32 | 4643029 fallout11
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After centuries of persecution and ridicule at the hands of the "orthodoxy", Islam was all but welcomed by the Monophysite Christians of Egypt, Syria, Asia minor, the Levant, etc. Mohammed didn't have to do much more than show up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monophysitism

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:14 | 4640611 Uncle Remus
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That's quite the abbreviated view of world history.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 19:25 | 4641229 RafterManFMJ
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Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:12 | 4641386 KickIce
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No mention of the Flintstones?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:06 | 4640576 tarsubil
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After the rise of the Roman church, Christians have been continually failing with our warmongering including in today's America. Christians have never gotten it out of our system.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:19 | 4640629 BlindMonkey
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BS homie. If you think that had anything to do with Christianity you are mistaken. Pure economics. That is the cause of most wars.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:25 | 4640642 Uncle Remus
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As a general rule, cannon fodder is not going to rally 'round the economic theory du jour.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:07 | 4640577 tarsubil
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Dupe. First time this has happened in a long time. Hi, NSA. Offer still stands. I answer your calls so why don't you say hi?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:40 | 4640439 Future Jim
Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:48 | 4640493 SmackDaddy
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Saying suicide bombers arent Muslim would be like denying blacks dominate the NBA or Jews dominate banking. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:55 | 4640518 Future Jim
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Just off the top of my head, I'm not aware of any muslim suicide bombings in the US; whereas, I'm aware of multiple false flags blaming muslims and others.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:07 | 4640575 john39
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Jews were suicide bombers before muslims.  (check your history).  Japanese did it during WWII...  you could probably trace the history of suicide attacks back through every culture.    

and, if they could afford drones and tanks to fight, well, they would be us, wouldn't they.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:24 | 4640651 BlindMonkey
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Are you saying it was the Japanese that flew planes into the buildings? Makes sense. They done it before. They'll do it again. Shifty little yellow bastards. /s

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 18:06 | 4641026 john39
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i am saying that the government must ban box cutters to keep our double insured skyscrapers safe.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:58 | 4640537 Freddie
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USS Liberty = LBJ and Admiral John McCain the second. They sold out the US Navy sailors.

How many sailors did Wet Start Johnny and his old man kill?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:39 | 4640444 Manthong
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.. not to mention with their left hands stuck up their butts. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 18:34 | 4641103 Uncle Remus
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.

take the best funded military in the world to a stalemate

I suggest it would be prudent to understand how that is accomplished, given the context of this story.

 

Quintus: People should know when they are conquered.

Maximus: Would you, Quintus? Would I?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:59 | 4641559 XitSam
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Dorner brought LA police to the cliff edge, firing on innocent people because their pickup was a different make & color.  Imagine if Dorner had remained anonymous and gone back to ground, reappearing randomly over the coming weeks and months.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:30 | 4640389 Ferrari
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I believe it's not an either or situation. My sense is everything TPTB do, including full suveilance, is both oppression of US citizens & pork, corruption, graft, corporate welfare, etc. 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:45 | 4640478 supersajin
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By the time you "see" the evidence you are looking for it will be way to late to do anything about it!!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:51 | 4640507 walküre
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When Hitler built the Autobahn and invested a shit load of money into the military machine, I'm sure some people never thought he'd go to war and it was all money well spent on items the Germans desperately needed after the Depression.

Let's face it. The same shysters that financed the buildup to WW2 are still running the show and printing the paper across the world. Supplying the US DHS with all sorts of weapons and deadly toys because they have no ulterior motives than equipping American domestic troops with the latest greatest weapons.

Sure.

Government is prepping to take over completely and reduce the privileges and freedoms enjoyed by Americans today to an absolute bare minimum. The people haven't even barked much, let alone taken a bite at government.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:04 | 4640565 FeralSerf
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They hate us for our freedom. What's left of it that is.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:27 | 4640670 BlindMonkey
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"They hate us for our freedom."

That sounds so stupid now it brings a tear to my eye. When I am thinking about relocating to Moscow to get away from a tyrannical government you know shit is fucked up.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:21 | 4640607 TheGardener
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"When Hitler built the Autobahn and invested a shit load of money into the military machine, I'm sure When Hitler built the Autobahn and invested a shit load of money into the military machine, I'm sure some people never thought he'd go to war and it was all money well spent on items the Germans desperately needed after the Depression. and it was all money well spent on items the Germans desperately needed after the Depression."

Walk off Walküre, some people doubt till to this day that
this was not the continuation of that second thirty year war.

As an aside, Versailles and the Jewish question has just been postponed. All they do in deference is adding other questionable variable disposables to the invasion off tables.

I sincerely doubt your incentives for posting history distorting comments, being allegedly multilingual, why
not get your personal experience of making it there make
it authentic ? Your team told you so ?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 18:20 | 4641070 walküre
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As usual, your jibberish makes no sense. What on God's green earth are you trying to say? Is this even English? I'm native German speaking, what is your excuse?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:48 | 4640758 Silver Kiwi
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A smart move by the Industrial Military Complex to keep the revenue flowing from an item that would normally be mothballed or scraped. Who gets to maintain all these ACP's all over the country & supply parts & train the drivers & crews???  THere's no such thing as a free lunch even in Iowa...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:41 | 4641495 Libertarian777
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uhnnn follow your train of thought

what happens when the corruption has emptied the coffers? people revolt.

how do you suppress the revolt?

with an MRAP'ed SWAT team, sonic weapons and bean bag rounds.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:10 | 4641976 DaveyJones
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they're not mutually exclusive

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 23:35 | 4642050 HardAssets
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The real measure of things is the people of that town, and other places across the country. Are they fine with having a weapon of war rolling down their streets ?  Do they fear 'terrorists' around every corner ?  (Don't they know about the so-called  'good Al Qaeda' sponsored by the US in Syria ?)   They should be firing that police chief as a fool and a threat for doing this.

Will they ?

Thu, 04/10/2014 - 08:26 | 4642608 TruthHunter
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"I cynically think this is more about pork, graft, corruption"

 

The same reasons, that Communism didn't even come close to working,

will bring Democracy down..

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:56 | 4640503 TheGardener
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Shoot this fuck up and chase it over a cliff! What a giraffe
and mockery of a military vehicle !

Who`d be scared of such a mockery of military equipment ?

Can it move without 20 cop`s pushing it into action ?

Intimidation vehicle disbanded by military supposed
to chase good ghosts out of citizens ?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:49 | 4640766 Bangin7GramRocks
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They will need it when the people realize how fucked up that GMO corn is. Poisoning the population because it increases yields. Nothing scarier than local cops with high powered weapons and tanks.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 18:01 | 4641006 Van Halen
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Prarie humans better watch their ass!

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:11 | 4640280 Troll Magnet
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What a fucking country we've become, eh?

 

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:16 | 4640312 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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Anyone have polling data on how the people who fancy themselves mainstream feel when they see a heavy domestic military presence in their little towns?

 

I got the feeling the residents locked down in Boston last year were elated at the scene.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:34 | 4640412 onewayticket2
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must be a FEMA camp nearby.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:55 | 4640787 DoneThis2Long
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Or one will be soon! They have the MRAP already, so off we go...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:37 | 4640426 SmackDaddy
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I know my neighbors would love to call the Gestapo on me.  It wouldnt even take a reward or a vendetta, either.  Theyd just be happy to get patted on the head for being a good little nazi....

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:15 | 4640302 McMolotov
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Many cops have an unbelievably inflated sense of self-importance. Giving them military toys will only serve to feed that attitude.

Everything Uncle Sam touches turns to shit. He's like Bizarro King Midas.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:16 | 4640310 nuclearsquid
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+2 

I think it is their way of coping with their poor long term socio-economic prospects, in a society where everyone is trained they can be an American Idol.

 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:21 | 4640338 ParkAveFlasher
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King...Shyte-Us?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:30 | 4640385 BlindMonkey
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King Turdas??

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 17:17 | 4640875 TheGardener
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Cut cops down to size whenever you meet one.

I know where your house lives! when trying to be de-escalating. How is you wife ? With a starring look...

Ask for names grades superiors every step into any questioning and fiddle with your phone trying to reach your lawyer. Have lawyers on demand for any such calls. They will not save you, but you can pass the phone for talk of fellow thugs. Never apologize, ask them instead before you drive on
and always always jot down the names of officers involved.

If they beat you up, don`t resist but casually brake government fingers
and other limbs for proof of excessive violence.

Don`t ever exceed the level of needed violence and never ever even self defend yourself for due measure...

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 20:25 | 4641430 pods
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You obviously have never pulled this one off (if I can even understand what you are trying to say).

4 words:

I WANT A LAWYER

No fucking questioning is going to help you.  If they start to ask questions, ask "Am I being detained?"

If not, leave. If so, see above.

pods 

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:39 | 4640445 Jumbotron
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Holy Crap.....are they preparing for when the Monsanto GMO corn they're growing becomes self-aware......and hungry for human flesh?

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:42 | 4640463 TheGardener
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Shoot up the tires and have fun with the sitting duck.

500K just makes a Merc kind of bullet proof.

Try non-civilian bullets on this your community monster bogged up in your backyard.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 15:52 | 4640511 Zerozen
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Those tires are made to take a beating, and they don't have to be inflated to keep the vehicle rolling.

Ever seen that episode of Top Gear from a couple of seasons ago where they test drive that South African MRAP around the streets of Joburg? I forget what the vehicle is called. At the end of the episode they test its toughness by detonating a couple of pounds of C4 under the rear axle and the fucking thing just up and starts and drives away like nothing happened.

Wed, 04/09/2014 - 16:39 | 4640723 TheGardener
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Hollow load would do, punch a hole with a kind of a burst
felt inside. TV is 99% BS , sorry. Explosives are about expansion, even C4 needs a hole to detonate out off for full effect.

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