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Liberation Of Europe From Gazprom Due To Nat Gas Exports Is Nonsense, Cheniere CEO

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Despite the ongoing propoganda machine's push for a bailout plan to 'liberate Europe from Gazprom's claws', The FT reports that the head of Cheniere Energy, which is due to become the US’s first new natural gas exporter next year, said the ability of US energy to save Europe from its dependence on Russian supplies had been overstated. Simply put, as Putin knows all too well (but Obama and his merry men in the mainstream media seem destined to perpetuate), Cheniere's CEO blasts "It’s flattering to be talked about like this, but it’s all nonsense. It’s so much nonsense that I can’t believe anybody really believes it."

 

As The FT reports,

Charif Souki, Cheniere’s chief executive, said that the idea of his company’s exports alone liberating Europe from Russia’s Gazprom was “nonsense” and that only six to eight of 20-plus proposed rival export projects were “real”.

 

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The east-west stand-off over Ukraine has sparked a political debate over whether the US should loosen its energy export restrictions so Europeans can buy liquefied natural gas, or LNG, from America’s shale energy boom.

 

Asked if Cheniere’s terminal could rescue eastern European countries from their dependence on Russia, Mr Souki said: “It’s flattering to be talked about like this, but it’s all nonsense. It’s so much nonsense that I can’t believe anybody really believes it.”

The US is working to increase the number of trade agreements to enable any LNG exports but...

Mr Souki said the only ones he considered to be real were the six to eight that had started a separate process – which he said entailed $100m in costs – of gaining permits from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, or Ferc, which assesses environmental and safety standards.

 

“Until somebody tells me they’re willing to spend $100m, I don’t consider them real,” he said.

And that's not happening anytime soon in a cash strapped and bureaucratically constrained Europe. Furthermore,  prices are likely to rise because not even Obam acan mandate where the free market moves its product...

Mr Souki said he had no control over where his customers would sell that LNG. “I’m pretty sure they will be opportunistic and, if they need it for their home market, they will take it for their own markets and, if they don’t need it, it will go somewhere else.”

Or can he.

 

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Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:19 | 4647805 Ifigenia
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"Liberation Of Europe From Gazprom" liberation of Europe from empire and zio-banksters make more sense.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:26 | 4647846 Pladizow
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"It’s so much nonsense that I can’t believe anybody really believes it."

He must have never attempted to hold a conversation with an average American!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:28 | 4647852 BlindMonkey
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+1.

Reality is irrelevant when talking in sound bites.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:59 | 4647965 Serfs Up
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Indeed.

Also best to forget that such ""independence"" would only last a few years as US gas is also, demonstrably and obvisouly, finite.

But why let reality intrude on the violent fantasies of the neo-liberal-con crowd?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:22 | 4648048 prains
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wasn't there once a big fat bobble head who said he could feed and arm the 6th army surrounded in Stalingrad by flying in the necessary supplies.

 

history always repeats itself but few ever really listen to it

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:20 | 4647815 CrashisOptimistic
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Good grab, Tyler.

So this is now Cheniere's guy and ENI's guy both who have said the same thing in a 10 day period.  You can't get gas to Europe for less than $9.  GAZPROM delivers it at $6.  And they will inform all the LNG terminal companies of this just after they have squandered maybe half the construction expense -- to teach them a lesson.

The most dangerous thing in the world of politics is to find yourself believing your own propaganda.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:31 | 4647861 BlindMonkey
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"The most dangerous thing in the world of politics is to find yourself believing your own propaganda."

Prescient. Please consider changing your pseudonym to Cassandra.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 14:28 | 4648335 Ifigenia
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Cassandra for woman and Laoconte for man

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:37 | 4649357 trader1
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swabian house fraus will go for the best price offer.  full stop.

plus, the kicker is that putin has less blood on his hands than bush ii / obama.

sticking with russia is the only ethical choice at this present moment.  

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:19 | 4647816 LawsofPhysics
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You know that the bombings can't be that far off when the west starts talking about "liberating" anyone...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:21 | 4647820 Dr. Engali
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Some place high up in the sky is a drone with his name on it.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:26 | 4647844 813kml
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 Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:21 | 4647821 AGuy
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IRS Audit for Cheniere Energy in 3...2...1

EPA investigation, SEC investigation all to follow as well.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:48 | 4648740 angel_of_joy
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No can do !

These guys are supposed to be Europe's saviors, remember ?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:21 | 4647822 Relentless101
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Trying to bend economics is like bending physics... only in movies.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:25 | 4647841 LawsofPhysics
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Please, the 'laws" of eCONomics can be whatever the high priest Krugman says they are,as for the laws of Nature and physics, not so much.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:34 | 4647867 Relentless101
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So the US can do anything they wish economically with no consequence on the future? That may be true if all the players were tightly colluded, but when the shit hits the fan, everyone will bail and suckle the tit of new "great" power. Economics will always win in the end.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:40 | 4647901 LawsofPhysics
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"So the US can do anything they wish economically with no consequence on the future?" -  Do you think that the U.S.S.A. has the monopoly on useless paper-pushing fucktards with a degree in eCONomics?

LMFAO!!!!!

Nature bats last motherfucker, the laws of Nature and physics "win in the end".

Some will live and many will die (regardless of their country of origin).

same as it ever was...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:54 | 4647941 Relentless101
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And economics will choose those some that fucking live. Those who don't have the economic fundamentals will lose and those who do will win. The US can claim whatever it wants, but in the end, just like the fucking .com bubble, it will be weighed for its actual value against other global forces.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:04 | 4647979 LawsofPhysics
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no shit sherlock. Some will have access to the calories required for survival and some won't.  Show me one eCONomics book that mentions calories or joules.

 

But I digress, who are you, captain obvious?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:57 | 4647957 El Vaquero
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The laws of economics will get bent by the laws of physics, whether we like it or not.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:23 | 4647829 tempo
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Everyone in the industry knows economic frac gas is close to peaking. US total gas production is flat even w all the frac wells since the mature fields are on decline and the piss ant frac wells decline at 30% per year. The best reservoirs have been exploited, only crap is left. Wastewater disposal on frac wells is very dangerous, see the earthquakes in OK as an example. IMO frac gas will be exposed as an overhyped joke.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:23 | 4647831 Stoploss
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US LNG export is a pipe dream at best right now.

Barry still has 2 years left to continue the beatings in the energy sector.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:24 | 4647838 813kml
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In Barry's dreams, he has a much longer hose.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:42 | 4648118 El Vaquero
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Yeah, embedded in his ass.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:24 | 4647833 JailBank
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This can't be true. My very liberal Pro-Obama sister in law tells me that US LNG can just head on over to Europe tomorrow.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:41 | 4647898 BlindMonkey
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Decades ago I used to sit on watch in my submarine thinking about which target I would like to hit most with a Mk-48 heavyweight torpedo. I settled on LNG tankers. I imagine they would freeze the ocean around them first as the cryogenic liquid sprays around it and then explode in a MIGHTY fireball as the gas converts back to it's gaseous state while the ship still burns.

Not that it would make a juicy terror target or anything. NIMBY indeed.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:24 | 4647837 novictim
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Mind Boggling that no contingencies were ever developed given the vulnerability of Europe to Russian natural gas supplies.

Should this be a story pursued by reporters?  Massive defense spending...yet no diversification in resources and alternate energy supplies planned out?

The foundation of a robust military is a robust economy...and the economy runs on energy.  

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:28 | 4647851 CrashisOptimistic
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You're almost there, guy.  Alllmosttttt.

Suppose.  Just suppose.  Just suppose there are no alternatives.  Suppose there's no extra anywhere else.

In fact, suppose there's not enough.

And never will be.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:57 | 4649001 Iam_Silverman
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" Just suppose there are no alternatives"

No alternatives?  Pshaw!  We got cow farts.  Remember, they are bad enough to have the EPA looking at controlling them through some mindless edict.  Why don't we ship them our flatulent cows?  No compression needed, no costly LNG shipping terminals to build.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:46 | 4647910 BlindMonkey
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Strategic Petroleum Reserve????

Not sure and don't care if Germany has one. The US does so there is that.

Edit: it was intended for exactly the purpose you are thinking of. It was NOT intended to be used as a tool to make very short term manipulations in crude prices as the current dumb-motherfucker-in-chief is doing.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:47 | 4648151 CrashisOptimistic
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650 million barrels.

About a month of US consumption.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 14:07 | 4648237 paddyirishman
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no need for alternatives if we stopped pissing them off, its no more than been dependent on the middleeast

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:27 | 4647840 Hongcha
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Ahem ... Buy the fucking shares, gentlemen.  OGZPY.  2.23 p/e, divvy between 5-6%, absolute dominance of Europe supply, new K with China and India, newest 'acquisition' in Crimea adding to reserves.  400,000 employees.  This is comparable to getting XOM at $10/share.  Screaming buy of the decade.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:31 | 4647859 LawsofPhysics
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What is their debt-load?  XOM has little debt.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:35 | 4647868 Hongcha
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LawsofPhysics, you got me there.  Gazprom is an arm of the Russian govt. so I'm not sure how much it matters.  The shares could get restricted in the U.S. if our administration is so rash as to do that.  I think that it is greatest risk here.  

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:42 | 4647907 LawsofPhysics
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There is a lot of debt in the Russian private sector.  If Gazprom is a "state-owned" entitiy then their debt is low, the risk is that they may be at the whim of the government and your investment may be subject to confiscation.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:50 | 4647928 Hongcha
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LOP; agreed.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:30 | 4648073 cro_maat
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Which is why we should all get a MyRA and load up on Treasury debt! Nothing like negative real interest rates to set you for retirement.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:47 | 4648152 LawsofPhysics
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LOL! 

 

What don't people understand about all paper going to zero?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:32 | 4647864 CrashisOptimistic
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You gotta do some more studying Hongdood.

GAZPROM is not a 100% private company.  In fact, the Russian govt is the majority shareholder, and can commnand that shares be sold to other govt entities at a discount.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:42 | 4647906 Hongcha
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Crash, I have not thought for a moment Gazprom was anything but a gas-filled truncheon wielded by Putin.  I am just looking at numbers and cowardly / herded fund managers.  Not much discount or downside at these levels, I reckon.  You pays yer money and takes yer chances.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:37 | 4647885 The Phu
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I'm very nervous about what the Russian government might do in terms of retaliatory sanctions and asset nationalizations.  I would love to buy Russian sovereign debt, but what reasonable assurance do I have that Russia isn't going to simply cancel debts owned by an American?  Couldn't we cancel the Treasuries that the Russian Central Bank owns?  If governments are going to do that to each other, I, the little guy, will the first to get screwed.

 

I agree with your sentiment... it is a screaming buy... except that it isn't.  Keep stacking, Comrade!!!!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:49 | 4647919 Hongcha
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The Phu; yes there are delineated risks; and always are.  My shares can go to zero and not change my lifestyle.  But they could go 5x and still be a bargain.  If the US and Russia start cancelling this and that, if they fragment the system further, then it's as good as war.  I am simply betting that is not going to happen.  I am betting Messiah & Co. recognize they have stepped on a flaming bag of shit and just quietly go scrape it off and continue to regale the populace with triviata.  In other words, like with our embarassment over Syria, we move on.  

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:50 | 4647926 BlindMonkey
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As much maneuvering as Russia has done with breaking the petrodollar I would ASSUME that their foreign held debt is looked as as another tool/arms to use against it. Hedge accordingly.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:07 | 4647995 El Vaquero
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I'm not interested in any sovereign debt whatsoever.  I don't like ponzis. 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 22:07 | 4649929 StychoKiller
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How does one "cancel" a T-Bill?  Russia can simply exchange their T-Bills for Ferrum from Australia, for example...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:26 | 4647843 franzpick
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The most dangerous thing in the world of politics will be when GoBom'Em, Valerie and Victoria find out the EU club they have joined is into Bond-Age...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:27 | 4647848 MFL8240
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Did someone really think the Obama team was going to tell the truth?  I mean, are you people serious??

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:32 | 4647863 Winston Churchill
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Hannity,O'Reilly,Rubio etc etc are spouting the same crap.

Stupidity is an equal oppotunity thing.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:29 | 4647854 101 years and c...
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how to "punish" Putin:  kill oil prices by STOP PRINTING MONEY. warning: side effects include increased blood pressure, blindness, dizziness, erectile dysfunction, and insomnia brought on by crashing stocks and bonds.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:38 | 4647887 CrashisOptimistic
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See, people don't understand.

WTI just hit $104 a bit ago.

Unlike most things, NYMEX and Chicago have no impact on this.  The refineries pick up the phone for a conference call to Nigeria and bid for a shipment.  Others on the conference call bid too.

Not One Of Them Checks NYMEX Prices.  They bid to get what their customers demand.

NYMEX just hears what the agreed price winds up being and adjusts trading.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:31 | 4647862 rlouis
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Hey Rocky, watch me pull a bcf of nat gas out of my a**   /sarc

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:36 | 4647882 ebworthen
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Nonsense gets people elected and others a lot of money these days.

The real nonsense is expecting Russia or the rest of the world to buy U.S. bullshit.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:41 | 4647903 CrashisOptimistic
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Your last sentence is the key.

Forget gold.  Russia has no use for gold.  The wackos need to just stop obsessing.

But Russia WILL demand something other than paper, and soon.  The Saudis have addressed this problem by spending that paper on stuff as fast as they can.  Russia doesn't want US arms to buy, as the Saudis have.  Russia also doesn't need to build huge desalination plants, as the Saudis have.

Russia has less use for paper than the Saudis.  This should soon translate into calories demanded, though they may take paper money to pay French, Italian and Pole semi slave labor to build the warehouses in which to store the calories.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:05 | 4647986 Winston Churchill
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Did you even listen to the Martensen interview posted last night?

It doesn't matter what you or anyone in the west thinks about gold.

It how 4 billion plus in the far east think.To them gold is money and it will

always remain so.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:19 | 4648039 LawsofPhysics
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Well I, for one, look forward to recieving gold in exchange for my soybeans.  Sounds great to me.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:25 | 4648058 Winston Churchill
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Me also.

I already have a couple of clients paying me with real  money insted of

debt instruments.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:06 | 4649042 Iam_Silverman
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"Forget gold.  Russia has no use for gold.  The wackos need to just stop obsessing."

Sometimes you ask for something that you know your counterparty doesn't have, or just can't seem to get.  Other times you ask for something in trade that you intend to barter with another trade partner (i.e. China, Korea, India).

One tactic is for shaming the counterparty or is a polite way to say "I don't want to do business with you", and the other is just the same as using a reserve cureency - of sorts.

I am no gold bug, but I could see them putting a squeeze on Germany (who is still waiting for her gold) in order to accelerate the tension between the U.S. and the Germans.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:38 | 4647888 Hongcha
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Mad Mohel; more & more adults are finally breaking ranks with these fools and ZOG water-bearers.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:39 | 4647891 buzzsaw99
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europe is too damned cheap and lazy to build a pipeline from the middle east, so yeah, kiss the putin pinky ring bitchez.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:39 | 4647894 free_lunch
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I am sure the man is right, but what do the psychopatic elite care? It will only be the little people that get hurt, just gives more momentum to their feudal 2.0 plans.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:40 | 4647897 Rising Sun
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Would be interesting to hear about why those lazy fucking socialist Europeans and all their fucking intelligence weren't able to forecast that a "dependency on one nation" for nat gas might be a risk issue.

 

Europeans = fucking stupid heads!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:44 | 4647911 intric8
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The project for a new american century - phase 2. Russia used as a distraction because the sheeple are clued in and sick of the neocon/zionist mid east agenda

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:05 | 4647989 ILLILLILLI
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There has been a lot more 'drum-banging' about Syria and Iran lately...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 12:55 | 4647948 youngman
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On the other hand anyone who owns a few LNG plants and tankers is sitting very pretty right now..nothing like a crisis to take the price up a few notches..

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:01 | 4647974 Arkilokoos
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So what does this all mean for US, Mexican and Canadian oil Stocks?   Looks Like WTI almost equal to Brent now have not seen a gap thiis small in along time.  Time to buy or are we seeing a top for oil?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:13 | 4648019 Bankstein Swiss...
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"It’s so much nonsense that I can’t believe anybody really believes it."

what about 2 airliners taking down 3 WTC towers?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:18 | 4648035 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, and then another building (full of debt coupons and other assets) collapsing due to fire.

Unpossible!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:21 | 4648045 firstdivision
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Sooooo...we're going to help Europe move from Russia while putting us into a more precarious future energy position.  Seems like some long-term planning.  US needs to move to a introverted protectionest economic position (like China) to ensure our own future, but it'd be at the expense of the EU

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:24 | 4648055 LawsofPhysics
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Don't worry, the U.S.S.A. is going to annex Canada soon (with China's help).

Unpossible you say?  Just wait, and watch.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:31 | 4648570 yt75
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You people have such a totally warped up vision of your economy, it's truly amazing.

For your info, the U.S. main business remains securing the oil routes especially through CENTCOM (emblema rather clear), this is in turn what is backing up the petro $, and has allowed the U.S. to be where it is now since dropping B Woods.

As to Europe, if Ameweeka could just FUCK OFF from places like Ukraine and stop sending their PNAC stooges all over the place, it would be perfect thank you very much.

 

Ever seen the T Shirt of the previous tour ? (the Orange one)

Below :

http://iiscn.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/orangetour.jpg

 

In McCain foundation offices in  Tbilissi, after 40:40 in below :

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2HzWwjZcpw

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:28 | 4648067 Iam Yue2
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"It’s so much nonsense that I can’t believe anybody really believes it."

Hold on a minute there, they believe everything else they are told; why make an exception.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:37 | 4648095 Arkilokoos
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Fri, 04/11/2014 - 13:37 | 4648098 Arkilokoos
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Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:37 | 4648691 NoWayJose
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Those darn environmentalists keep getting in the way of Obama foreign policy.  You can't save Europe with US LNG if you can't put the gas in a jar, nor if you can't move it by one of those nasty pipeline things.  The only hope is to let the Fed print more money, send that over to the Ukraine, and let them buy their own stuff.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 01:54 | 4650350 Aussiekiwi
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Well, that was easy to fix, just send money instead of natural gas, you could probably get quite a lot of cash in one of those big LNG tankers. Interesting how printing money is fixing absolutely everything

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:49 | 4648743 esum
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the terminal is step two... first you need a PIPELINE TO THE TERMINAL... AND AT THE OTHER END you need a receiving terminal and LNG SHIPS to move it.... NO ONE IN THE SHIPPING BUSINESS IS GOING TO BUILD SHIP ONE WITHOUT A FIRM LONG TERM CONTRACT....right now there may be ONE SPOT lng TANKER ON THE MARKET... AND with the ussa politics and government agencies involved i am amazed any terminal will get built..... isnt there always an endangered snail ..... or a libtard at the helm.... Of course libtards love windmills even though they kill hundreds of eagles... but libtards thrive on hypocracy and double standards... 

COST OF ONE LNG TANKER  $200 MILLION EACH 

OR CHARTER (LEASE) ONE FOR $140,000/DAY PLUS fuel AND INSURANCE AND PORT CHARGES... 

the LNG industry will expand production capacity by 77 percent in the next seven years..... so there is going to be PLENTY OF GAS TO EXPORT.its just that Cheniere by itself doesnt control the gas or where it goes and its throughput is not enough to "rescue" europe... anyhow why are we rescuing europe anyhow.... AGAIN... ungrateful snobby miscreants.... Let them put up the bucks or freeze thier asses of or pay putin through the nose.. 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:08 | 4648815 yt75
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You realize your LNG gas will in any case be much more expensive than Putin's one , right ?

(most probably not)

You realize that your "nat gas fracking industry" is in a total financial mess, right ?

(most probably not)

As to Europe and Ukraine, just stop sending your PNAC punks in such places, and everything will be fine.

For your info, Baku was a major Hitler objective, AND NOT THE REVERSE.

And about "lebensraum" Russia doesn't really miss any of that.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 08:22 | 4650626 Element
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Hey, schhh!!

Don't discourage them, let them try it! This is one of the reality-checks they need.

At least we'll get a good laugh watching the truth dawn.   :D   /popcorn

 

 

Mon, 04/21/2014 - 10:40 | 4679413 bagehot99
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I have an idea. Why don't we just stay the fuck out of it, and let them sort their own squabbles out?

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