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NSA Abused Heartbleed Bug For Years, Left Consumers Exposed To Attack

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It is one thing for the NSA to spy on everyone in the world, especially US citizens because all of them are obviously potential "terrorizers" just waiting for their opportunity to blow shit up (except for anything in close proximity to the Boston marathon - those things the NSA promptly filters out), but when the NSA itself is found to have not only known and itself abused the prevalent and widespread Heartbleed bug, but left consumers exposed, then it may be time to finally launch a class action lawsuit against Obama's favorite means to eavesdropping on the entire world.

From Bloomberg:

NSA SAID TO EXPLOIT HEARTBLEED BUG FOR INTELLIGENCE FOR YEARS

 

The U.S. National Security Agency knew for at least two years about a flaw in the way that many websites send sensitive information, now dubbed the Heartbleed bug, and regularly used it to gather critical intelligence, two people familiar with the matter said.

And the punchline:

NSA SAID TO HAVE USED HEARTBLEED BUG AND LEFT CONSUMERS EXPOSED

 

Putting the Heartbleed bug in its arsenal, the NSA was able to obtain passwords and other basic data that are the building blocks of the sophisticated hacking operations at the core of its mission, but at a cost. Millions of ordinary users were left vulnerable to attack from other nations’ intelligence arms and criminal hackers.

 

“It flies in the face of the agency’s comments that defense comes first,” said Jason Healey, director of the cyber statecraft initiative at the Atlantic Council and a former Air Force cyber officer. “They are going to be completely shredded by the computer security community for this.”

More:

The potential stems from a flaw in the protocol used to encrypt communications between users and websites protected by OpenSSL, making those supposedly secure sites an open book. The damage could be done with relatively simple scans, so that millions of machines could be hit by a single attacker.

 

Questions remain about whether anyone other than the U.S. government might have exploited the flaw before the public disclosure. Sophisticated intelligence agencies in other countries are one possibility. If criminals found the flaw before a fix was published this week, they could have scooped up troves of passwords for online bank accounts, e-commerce sites, and e-mail accounts across the world.

 

Evidence of that is so far lacking, and it’s possible that cybercriminals missed the potential in the same way security professionals did, suggested Tal Klein, vice president of marketing at Adallom, in Menlo Park, California.

 

The fact that the vulnerability existed in the transmission of ordinary data -- even if it’s the kind of data the vast majority of users are concerned about -- may have been a factor in the decision by NSA officials to keep it a secret, said James Lewis, a cybersecurity senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

 

“They actually have a process when they find this stuff that goes all the way up to the director” of the agency, Lewis said. “They look at how likely it is that other guys have found it and might be using it, and they look at what’s the risk to the country.”

 

Lewis said the NSA has a range of options, including exploiting the vulnerability to gain intelligence for a short period of time and then discreetly contacting software makers or open source researchers to fix it.

Thank you NSA, for once again showing that you are from the government and are there to "help" and of course "protect" everyone.

How much more abuse from the government can the (granted mostly obese) US population take before it finally snaps?

 

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Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:08 | 4648548 Chuck Knoblauch
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Fuck You

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:10 | 4648566 Pladizow
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America = Dead Man Walking!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:19 | 4648614 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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NSA spooks probably wrote it and worked to get it inserted into the main branch. The author(s) of the original code should NOT be trusted.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:34 | 4648682 BorisTheBlade
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but left consumers exposed, then it may be time to finally launch a class action lawsuit against Obama's favorite means to eavesdropping on the entire world.

it's an open secret that many of so called vulnerabilities are intentional backdoors to exploit and 'patch' later. consumer on average is dumbed down to notice this.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:52 | 4648756 Dick Buttkiss
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"America = Dead Man Walking!"

No, Plad, America's government = Dead Man Walking.

Yes, it's death stands to cause that of countless Amercans and ruin the lives of countless more (as millions already are), but America is an idea whose time is coming as never before, and not just here but elsewhere around the world.  And while we can applaud the efforts of Scotland, Catalonia, Venice, etc., for the "devolution revolution" to begin in earnest, it's got to start here:

"The first, most fundamental, and most necessary step in the transition to a free society is the demise of the modern “monster state.” And the first, most fundamental, and most necessary step in this process is the demise of the monstrous American state, its erstwhile role as a beacon to the world having long ago given way to a superpower that brings not light but heat, pulling a shroud over its own people in the process.  The monster will object that it only wants to keep its people warm and safe, of course, but as people elsewhere start kicking their shrouds off, it is increasingly clear that the status – as in statist – quo is changing and that neither suffocating domestic policies nor incendiary foreign ones will be tolerated much longer."

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-transition-free-society


 


Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:03 | 4648800 sleigher
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I worked with employee number 7 at verisign.  He was there the day the black SUV's showed up and the men with briefcases were taken into the back where the safes were.  I hope you all don't think this is the only thing going on...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:35 | 4649347 Spigot
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If you want real security for certificates you have to have your own engine running behind an air gap. That's all there is to it.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:03 | 4649423 El Oregonian
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"That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical"-Thomas Jefferson

Go Fish you eff'in O'Sodomites!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:26 | 4649462 mvsjcl
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"NSA Abused Heartbleed Bug For Years, Left Consumers Exposed To Attack"

 

Consumers? How about "Citizens?" Christ! I'm so tired of reading people referred to as consumers!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:00 | 4649541 A Nanny Moose
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Citizen = euphemism for tax livestock. I prefer to be an individual.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:18 | 4649594 mvsjcl
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Agree.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:27 | 4649624 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"NSA Abused Heartbleed Bug For Years, Left Consumers Exposed To Attack"~

WAIT,WAIT,WAIT!!! Run it by me one more time, I'm a little slow on the uptake.

What was their job again?

What were they supposed to be doing for us?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:45 | 4649690 Gen. Keith Alexander
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I'm SHOCKED this was going on under my watch. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:16 | 4649083 RichardP
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Those who live private lives off of the grid have no need of revolution.  If you don't like what they are doing on the ride, get off the ride.  Simple as that.

Exist locally.  In everything.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:07 | 4649427 zaphod
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The key to what you are proposing is the concept of full economic independance.

This is what Jefferson meant when he saw america as a nation of individual farmers who owned their own land. He was not advocating for an agricultural society, but one where all individuals had the means to provide for themselves and did not depend on anyone or anything else for survival. In his time only feudal lords owned land and thus were free, so when Jefferson spoke of economic independance, land ownership and farming were core to the concept.

Today 99.9999% of people in the US are dependant on the system, and thus need to do anything to keep the system going, even if this means giving up freedoms inch by inch, there is no other choice for most people. That is the problem.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:10 | 4649574 disabledvet
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Actually Thomas Jefferson created the Postal "office" precisely so that the memory of the need for secure form of communication could remain in the hands of "We the People" would be remembered.

We never would have succeeded in our "little rebellion" if the Founding Fathers weren't able to communicate in code and when these messages were passed back and forth they were done so with the absolute knowledge that no one came between the note writer and the note reader.

And indeed "the right to send anonymous love letters" was stated as a basic right for all Americans after 9/11 by I believe it was Senator Susan Collins of Maine.

We'll see just how good these cloud computing systems are once these tech companies start deploying their own internal networks to their customers.

Needless to say if you're working on a new i-phone etc "you want to make sure all the communications about said new i-device remains on the proprietary network as well."

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Trends/Online-banks-strengthening-measur...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 03:55 | 4650455 zhandax
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dv, the postal service's bureaucratic ineptitude still grants that privilege today, no matter how unintended.

@zaphod, Jefferson's vision worked exceptionally well up until the ascension of the corporation, the railroad baron, and the amalgamation of wealth via merger and acquisition.  These were the building blocks, conceived in an era of gold backed money and just courts, which offered a new way, a division of labor, a higher wage than farming, which eventually, when the gold backing was taken away, and taxation increased, made the family farm an unaffordable thing of the past.  It was a quick 40 years from then to now.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:52 | 4649711 l.kimbot
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Amen.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 21:01 | 4649737 Tulpa
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Except that those "off the grid" can nevertheless have things of value taken from them by force, perhaps even to a greater degree than those on the grid.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:51 | 4649210 Raging Debate
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What else do you need to know but this: There are laws on the books the government has the right to assasinate any of it's own citizens at will. Also, to indefinately detain them without counsel. Those laws are the supposed right of "Kings". We are right back to where we started in 1776 but we are now not owned by the British but the House of Rothschild. The King of the world and court could pursue freedom but pursued slavery. This was a conscience choice so in the end they should not expect mercy. No quarter is being offered now, so no quarter should be given.

 As for tech, many technies were aware of project Echelon and Carnivore to collect all data from all Americans including myself. You are safer if your intent is to defend the innocent, period and not pick sides politically. We all should be humble before one another, speak the truth in any event anyways. We are one species, near the end of our human evolution. Yesterday's religion is today's science. Explore quantum physics articles. You will quickly understand and need not be a mathematician or physcisist.

 "When the people fear government there is tryranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty." Our government of the Rothchilds for themselves and with themselves fear the people. There plans seem to all be succeeding. But it does not in the end. It is not time to discuss what happens to them because free will still offers choice but they have months now no longer decades or even years. But I pray for them and their families, we are all one species. However, they have proclaimed themselves gods. So if constinued they will experience the folly of the gods.

 I tell you truly the Republic will be restored. But it is not going to come without real pain ( and financially most have experienced it and are now waking up). Expect most of the world to attack America and Israel (Zionism is not Judaism, Isreal has been misled as well) and the inside CFR leadership is aligned with the Rountable of 9, The House of Roschild. They are fine with America as long as it does what it is told. If there is rebellion watch them attempt to burn it all to the ground, literally. There is cause and there is effect. Every action will have an equal reaction. I do hope and pray for people of all nations which are slaves and have been misled on what is most important about our species, the drive to evolve and that includes immortality and we are 50 years away from that happening. It could happen in less than a decade as the science exists but a tiny minority of us choose to go down being fed a lie. If you want to play with the devil you will burn with the devil.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 01:12 | 4650290 holdbuysell
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"However, they have proclaimed themselves gods."

Perhaps the Rothschilds are of Nephilim blood?

This is a very murky area with little validation available.

Comments welcome.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 06:30 | 4650469 zhandax
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Without resorting to specifics, let's just say they sit on that side of the canyon.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 04:39 | 4650489 zhandax
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Meant to hit the edit button.  Must be Friday night.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:51 | 4649211 Raging Debate
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What else do you need to know but this: There are laws on the books the government has the right to assasinate any of it's own citizens at will. Also, to indefinately detain them without counsel. Those laws are the supposed right of "Kings". We are right back to where we started in 1776 but we are now not owned by the British but the House of Rothschild. The King of the world and court could pursue freedom but pursued slavery. This was a conscience choice so in the end they should not expect mercy. No quarter is being offered now, so no quarter should be given.

 As for tech, many technies were aware of project Echelon and Carnivore to collect all data from all Americans including myself. You are safer if your intent is to defend the innocent, period and not pick sides politically. We all should be humble before one another, speak the truth in any event anyways. We are one species, near the end of our human evolution. Yesterday's religion is today's science. Explore quantum physics articles. You will quickly understand and need not be a mathematician or physcisist.

 "When the people fear government there is tryranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty." Our government of the Rothchilds for themselves and with themselves fear the people. There plans seem to all be succeeding. But it does not in the end. It is not time to discuss what happens to them because free will still offers choice but they have months now no longer decades or even years. But I pray for them and their families, we are all one species. However, they have proclaimed themselves gods. So if constinued they will experience the folly of the gods.

 I tell you truly the Republic will be restored. But it is not going to come without real pain ( and financially most have experienced it and are now waking up). Expect most of the world to attack America and Israel (Zionism is not Judaism, Isreal has been misled as well) and the inside CFR leadership is aligned with the Rountable of 9, The House of Roschild. They are fine with America as long as it does what it is told. If there is rebellion watch them attempt to burn it all to the ground, literally. There is cause and there is effect. Every action will have an equal reaction. I do hope and pray for people of all nations which are slaves and have been misled on what is most important about our species, the drive to evolve and that includes immortality and we are 50 years away from that happening. It could happen in less than a decade as the science exists but a tiny minority of us choose to go down being fed a lie. If you want to play with the devil you will burn with the devil.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:33 | 4649476 Ariadne
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The laws on the books are unconstitutional. They are null and void. The traitors are operating under the color of law without any legal basis.

Immortality is bullshit. Nobody beats the reaper. Even if you could amend the aging mechanisms, you may not die of old age, but shit just happens. Those whose life you'd forfeit will most assuredly come for yours.

100+ years ago the devotees of the church of reason were ranting about ubermenchen and the virtues of communism. 100 years later they are still reading off the same script, neglecting the horrific results of their insanity, fantasizing about transhumanism and socialism.

When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong - these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history. Winston Churchhill

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:25 | 4649457 Deathrips
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Are you refering to the United States Corporation?

Which may or may not exist ..according to Griffin.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=U...

 

Or the collectivist captors are dead man walking?

 

Has a nice ring to it.

 

RIPS

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 00:20 | 4650222 putaipan
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i'm glad to see griffin adress this. i appreciate that he is taking the 'hold on here a moment' position. (he is equally reticent on jfk executive order) but i am also glad he is saying show me more .... as batty as she appears to be, k hudes is on board with the 'corporate state/person' and she used to be legal council to the world bank. anyone else?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:52 | 4648976 seek
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Thanks to open source and source code controls, we not only know who wrote it, but also who reviewed it.

The author has already publicly apologized and emphasized it was a simple (and stupid) mistake, and the fact that it passed review supports that notion. Like a true geek, the patch with the error was submitted on new year's eve.

While I am not a very trusting person, given the background of this, it looks a lot more like it's an NSA exploit and not an NSA plant. The end effect is the same when the NSA is violating their very charter and exploiting security holes they're supposed to help fix.

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:53 | 4649193 Bindar Dundat
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I agree with the above theory 100%.  It looks like a standard everyday screwup with significannt implications.

This was the type of mistake I hated to find in any design because it is so stark it is possible to miss it.  If it was a NSA trick it would have come out in the leaks-- everything else did!

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:12 | 4649422 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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"Simple mistake"

Obviously that would be his defense regardless of guilt...

Spooks have been perfecting this technique for years:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/allegations-openbsd-backdoors-may-be...

I'm not convinced. What is his background and associations?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:41 | 4649494 seek
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This is the git commit log for the bug.

There's two people involved. Robin Seggelmann wrote the code while working on his Phd, and Dr. Stephen Henson was the sole reviewer (remember, this is a small, underfunded oper source project that anyone can choose to use or reject, so the fact that it was reviewed at all is something of an accomplishment. For comparison depending on the patch and subsystem, linux kernel patches can see anything from 2-3 to dozens of reviewers.)

Nearly anyone with programming experience knows exactly what happened here, and has made the same mistake many times.

Here is the most recent press peice on his background. It's safe to say he's going to be severely scrutinized for the next few weeks due to people thinking this was a plant rather than a mistake. Seggelmann is still working at a university and remains involved in network security as part of the IETF, though he no longer submits code to OpenSSL.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:28 | 4648658 Spigot
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Yeah, if you and anyone believes the Open Source community didn't know about this for years, and that there was certain "persuasion" used to ensure this bug remaind available, then you need to smoke a lot more crack to clear your mind. These fuckers deserve to die.

BTW, check out MaidSafeFoundation.org and GreenTeaTech.com

These motherfucking naziis helped motivate a true revolution in technology: Internet 2.0

Bitchs.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:47 | 4649384 EscapeKey
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What a daft comment.
Do you even know who this "open source community" is that you speak of?

It's you. Me. The neighbours kid. The retired security consultant. The geek with terrible acne. The quiet kid in the corner.

If you knew that, you'd realise that taming this community isn't like rolling a couple of blacked out vans up to the gates of Microsoft.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 10:40 | 4650830 Spigot
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The larger community is as you say. However there is a problem and that is that most 'standardized' open source stuff is run my small committees in .orgs such as openssl.org

When ever there is a concentration of decision making power with regard to a "standard" there is room for 'suasion' ... and on something like this, 'suasion' happens. NSA and CIA as well as others have their assets in the "open source" community, don't cha know.

The myth of open source is like saints and angels is != to reality AT ALL.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:29 | 4648663 McMolotov
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That monstrosity in Utah isn't a "data center," it's a fucking tomb for the last remnants of liberty.

It's time to see some necks getting stretched.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:37 | 4648695 Cthonic
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perhaps a few militia members can swing by there on their way to the bundy ranch

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:06 | 4648811 sleigher
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I wish I had the resources to just drop everything and go to the Bundy ranch.  The real deal is this is a land grab by Reid for the Chinese.  The gig is up.  These bastards are selling out Americans and stealing their land for the Chinese companies and their own wallets for sure.  Talk about necks stretching.  It is definitely time!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:52 | 4648979 Rainman
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yo....the Patriot Act built that and it wasn't cheap ! 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:30 | 4648667 tarsubil
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But stocks are high! *laughter*

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:38 | 4649360 sgt_doom
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Yeah, it is time to impeach Obama, Biden and Holder, big time!

As a progressive from the day I was born, it pisses the holy hell out of me every time Obama appoints another Wall Street neocon -- the latest is that total jackhole, Burwell, who made her bucks at McKinsey the usual way, helping to offshore as many American jobs as possible, and has a really bad background where the American worker is concerned.

Another swine, in other words, not an autentic democrat, and damn well not any form of progressive, just anothter Aspen Strategy Group slime, another Gates Foundation and Walmart Foundation sleazoid.

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:51 | 4649394 EscapeKey
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Oh yeah, time to "vote the rascals out" so the right hand of the wall st party can sell the us to the highest bidder (unless its a connected insider, in which case there won't even be a bidding process).

Republican, democrat. Same fucking thing.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:15 | 4649587 BigJim
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Republican, democrat... two tentacles of the same squid.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 09:33 | 4650714 Dick Buttkiss
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Once again, "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." — Emma Goldman

But of course they have made voting illegal, by which I mean the one vote from which all others are derived and therefore the only one that really matters:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/secession-obama-2012_b_2138541.html

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:13 | 4649583 lotsoffun
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burwell?  what's her first name?  does it include deep?  like sandeep, deepak, deepti, tideep?  sudeep, deepna,  kneedeep? 

waistdeep?

 she can't be indian?  doesn't sound indian.  which means - she's a real first class MFking traitor.  these people should be deep into what they did to us american citizens.

i'm so deep in h1b visas while americans are out of work.  what's the strategy here?  you think all of them are going to 'support' us against china and russia?

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:25 | 4649615 Buck Johnson
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What has happened is alot of the NSA spook software and techniques and hardware may have by accident or on purpose (rogue agents wanting to make a buck) have gotten out in the wild.  That is the problem with building things that circumvent other devices or software eventually the bad guys and criminals figure it out or finds out where to get them.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:41 | 4648700 Bunders
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Google chrome has eavesdropping bug. I don't know this but my cynicism-senses tell me that every google android device probably has the same "bug".

There is no such thing as privacy anymore. You'll be able to tell your grandkids about what it was like to have it and your tales will seem as whimsical as my parents tales of being able to leave their wooden framed car unlocked in the street without the slightest concern that anyone would do anything untoward.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:22 | 4648877 swmnguy
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You're probably right about Google chrome.

In some ways though, you're as free and safe as you let yourself be.  I live in the heart of a city, and I don't lock my car doors anymore.  I used to.  Ten or twelve years ago though, 3 springs in a row, the first really warm weekend night, my car window got smashed and the car rifled through.  There wasn't every anything to steal; a spare diaper for the baby and maybe some Goldfish cracker crumbs and an empty juicebox.  Replacing the window was covered by auto insurance, but still a big pain in the ass.

So I decided to stop locking my car doors and make sure there was never anything in the car that someone would steal.  Three or four times in the past 10 years I've come out in the morning and found the contents of the glove compartment dumped on the floor of the front passenger seat.  One night 4 cars along my block had their windows smashed, and I just had the glove compartment rifled and lost nothing. Locks won't protect me from a professional thief and anybody stupid enough to steal from cars as an amateur probably can't drive a stick anyway.

An extra bonus: It's been a decade since I locked my keys in my car.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:32 | 4648915 optimator
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Careful there.  I used to leave my car open with nothing in it for years and never had a problem.  One day they simply stole the car in my office parking lot, cleaned out the few pennies in the glove box, and half a mile later totaled the car!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:01 | 4649026 swmnguy
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Good point.  Being self-employed, I almost never have my car in a parking lot for very long.  When I do, I will lock it.  Parking lots, especially ramps, are a lot more dangerous than the side of the street, that's true.  I also wonder how many people ransacking cars can drive a stick anymore?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:05 | 4649559 lotsoffun
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swmnguy - i lived in a very bad area of nyc in the late 80's and did the same thing.

every morning i would close the glove compartment,  put the seats back in place etc.

much easier than broken windows.  but - of course they trumped me the night some bum that hadn't bathed in weeks slept in the car.

:)

ok. maybe good karma.  now - i'm luckier than any of you.  i don't have a car.

worry free.

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:03 | 4648797 post turtle saver
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if boundary checking is cause for conspiracy then every programmer on the planet is part of it

this was a simple coding mistake that was exploited by hats of all colors... won't be the first or last of its kind either

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:07 | 4648812 ZH Snob
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this bug affects open ssl.  that means it can be exploited on unix type servers such as apache that use an open source code. unfortunately, a good 60 to 70 percent of web servers use unix as their O/S.  ironically enough, one of the major advantages has always been that they are difficult to hack (unlike Windows-based servers).

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:18 | 4648861 pelican
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From what I have read it was written by one dude in Germany.  And then checked by one dude in england.  It wouldn't suprise me.  Opensource SSL stupid idea from the beginning.

 

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:02 | 4649033 seek
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It's not stupid per se, but if a commercial enterprise is going to put millions of dollars and users at stake using OpenSSL, at least fund the thing for fuck's sake.

This exact same bug could be in close-sourced SSL stacks and we'd never know and never find out until it was exploited in a public way. So open source helps with part of the problem, but using something that's so underfunded without additional review is pretty crazy.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:03 | 4649553 Confused
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Thats the part that is incredible. No review by any large tech company, which are the same companies that shit themselves over piracy. 

 

And open source is a great thing. People like to complain about big coporations, but open source projects give individuals not prone to piracy things like open office, ubuntu (if I'm not mistaken) and free alternatives to photoshop and the like. 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 21:07 | 4649751 l.kimbot
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+10000

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:12 | 4648552 TruthInSunshine
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#BendOver&Spread'EmAmerika

#ShowTheNSAyour3rdBrownEyeUpCloseWebCamCampaign

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:13 | 4648577 ParkAveFlasher
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Do you really want to give them another way to identify you, TIS?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:15 | 4648596 TruthInSunshine
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Do they have an anal database?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:17 | 4648602 ParkAveFlasher
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Yep.  The whole thing.  It's called Operation Rectal Recall

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:18 | 4648609 TruthInSunshine
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An ex gf swore that taints were untraceable. She was into kinky stuff.

Is that at least true?

#TaintSmudgeYoWebCams

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:23 | 4648623 ParkAveFlasher
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Wait until Lenovo starts bundling airspace analyzers to their laptops, and the NSA gets a sniff of you.  Dead on accuracy.  ESPECIALLY the taint.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:24 | 4648635 TruthInSunshine
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I've been told that my taint smells like Cinnabon.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:41 | 4648693 ParkAveFlasher
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And now everybody knows!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:23 | 4648884 swmnguy
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And worse, we can't un-know it.  Ever.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:09 | 4649058 ParkAveFlasher
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That doesn't make me complicit.  It simply doesn't.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:30 | 4648903 taint
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I can speak to my taint. More like French toast....

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:40 | 4649365 sgt_doom
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Really, is anyone interested in your mother's opinions?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:29 | 4648662 Diet Coke and F...
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LMAO, that reminds me back in my software development days... They were working on a "Direct smell API" for video games using 3 base odours that a programmer could mix to make any smell...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:35 | 4648683 RockRiver
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Snaps?  50% of this population could not care less about this stuff.

 

Give 'em beer and TV and they are good to go....

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:48 | 4648729 TruthInSunshine
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Are you ready for some Football?,

The NSA's watching your family undress & eavesdropping on them all at night,

And the TSA's groping your kids high & tight,

But it's an NFL grudge match on Sunday Night.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:05 | 4649556 Confused
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Didn't John Waters try that same thing for his movies in the 70's? 

 

I think he called it smell-o vision or some nonsense. 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:48 | 4648737 BlindMonkey
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"Yep.  The whole thing.  It's called Operation Rectal Recall"

 

Exploiting backdoors since November 4th 1952...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:03 | 4649249 Raging Debate
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ParkAveFlasher - It is now irrelevant. They know who every American is, their habits and all secrets. Of course the Internet is one giant evolutionary tool, a mirror. Those that exploited it as all power hungry do with new tools (we are monkeys with tools) are now finding themselves being exposed by it. Live by the sword, die by the sword. This is an evolutionary lesson.

You defend the concept of freedom for all on this earth or not. Defend the innocent, even those we call "sheeple". Some of us were born with gifts of the mind. We do not "owe" anybody anything but as one species it behooves us to do what we can. I admit it, I don't do what I do because I am some saint. First off, I do care but I am human, I am fallable. Second, I do it because it makes it a better place for me and my family. That is enough of a goal for me.

Death? Ha! We are all going to die. Even the quantum science suggests we can seed ourselves in 4D but that is still a rebirth where the old life cannot be remembered but viewed later like a DVD. Might as well look on this period as the most interesting on earth and the most dangerous. Adventures always are frought with such, the bigger the risk, the bigger the reward. I love it when people introduce humor. For a very large birds-eye view this is all HILLARIOUS! Drilling down though and living it here in 3D in real time one must laugh or cry, sometimes both and deal with the reality of evolution and it's conclusion.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 21:20 | 4649793 ParkAveFlasher
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I think I'll have a klondike bar and mull this over.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:06 | 4649250 Raging Debate
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ParkAveFlasher - It is now irrelevant. They know who every American is, their habits and all secrets. Of course the Internet is one giant evolutionary tool, a mirror. Those that exploited it as all power hungry do with new tools (we are monkeys with tools) are now finding themselves being exposed by it. Live by the sword, die by the sword. This is an evolutionary lesson.

You defend the concept of freedom for all on this earth or not. Defend the innocent, even those we call "sheeple". Some of us were born with gifts of the mind. We do not "owe" anybody anything but as one species it behooves us to do what we can. I admit it, I don't do what I do because I am some saint. First off, I do care but I am human, I am fallable. Second, I do it because it makes it a better place for me and my family. That is enough of a goal for me.

Death? Ha! We are all going to die. Even the quantum science suggests we can seed ourselves in 4D but that is still a rebirth where the old life cannot be remembered but viewed later like a DVD. Might as well look on this period as the most interesting on earth and the most dangerous. Adventures always are frought with such, the bigger the risk, the bigger the reward. I love it when people introduce humor. For a very large birds-eye view this is all HILLARIOUS! Drilling down though and living it here in 3D in real time one must laugh or cry, sometimes both and deal with the reality of evolution and it's conclusion. Evolution- The sociopaths inadvertantly push us all over the wall. But damn this final wall looks big! But we will hurdle it just the same, as always. It is guaranteed.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:09 | 4648554 asteroids
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"The government is not your mother."

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:58 | 4648779 0b1knob
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"Everybody in the government is a worthless mother f*cker."

There fixed it for you.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:07 | 4649429 zombiebank
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And the biggest and most worthless mother f*cker of all is emperor Obummer!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:09 | 4648556 Dr. Richard Head
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How much?  Well, let me finish watching the ESPYs and get back to you on that.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:10 | 4648559 q99x2
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Throw Clapper in the Slammer.

Seriously. For terrorism against the United States of America.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:27 | 4648649 NOTaREALmerican
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Na,  he didn't personally know anything.   He was just managing the place.   And, really, who has time to read all those e-mails,  he had people for that.   I think we've punished this poor man enough, and we need to - really - move on and learn to forgive, and - most importantly - forget.   We've learned some valuable lessons here from this unfortunate experience and now, really, it's time to move forward. 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:45 | 4648727 billhilly
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Yah, that's right...and why do the Congress people really need to spend their valuable time reading the actual content of the bills they sign into law....we US citizens are WAY too demanding of our representatives. 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:29 | 4648904 optimator
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You've seen your congress people at hearings.  They have trouble reading the script they're given.  How do we expect them to read the thousands of pages the lobbyists hand them to vote yea on?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:58 | 4648780 BlindMonkey
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"And, really, who has time to read all those e-mails..."

 

Last week I was in an audience when Keith Alexander gave his first public address since retiring.

 

He SAID THOSE WORDS EXACTLY.  He said that privacy is protected because the computers are doing the analysis and the computers don't care what you write.

 

Goebbels would have shed a tear in pride.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:24 | 4649266 Raging Debate
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NotaRealAlmerican - Whats your deal? Some days you make logical sense and others you spout stupid shit like an apparachik.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:12 | 4648571 pods
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Par for the course with these guys.

Wonder if Russia would take us?

pods

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:15 | 4648591 ParkAveFlasher
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< Vlad '16

< Hillary, Mitt, Rubio, Wookie, Jeb, Christie, Gore, etc. '16

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:18 | 4648605 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Par for the course with these guys.

Occupational governments don't care what happens to the people of the country they occupy.

If you're a human, expect to be dicked over by the thugs in Vichy DC.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:19 | 4648867 chemystical
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"If you're a human, expect to be dicked over by the thugs in Vichy DC."

Home of Tel Aviv's Vice President for USA Affairs....aka POTUS

Fuck every last one of them and their Quisling goyem.

It's not a coincidence that you're also relating this NSA b.s. to Google and Facebook - both as kosher organisations as you'll find.  Not a coincidence...a fucking cohencidence.

...every last one of them

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:13 | 4648579 asierguti
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Taking into account that the bug was introduced in 2011, "years" means less than 3 years, in case they picked it up very very very quickly, and developed the propper exploit.

 

It's well known that there is a black market of computer vulnerabilities. Some companies hire very good computer specialists, discover new bugs, THEY DON'T PUBLISH THEM, and just sell them for a large amount of money. Who buys this kind of stuff? Usually governments and their intel agencies like the NSA and the GCHQ.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:14 | 4648582 ShrNfr
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Fucking criminals. Line them all up and use a flamethrower on them like they do in Nork.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:26 | 4648646 TruthInSunshine
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Let the ferral, man eating hogs loose, like what happened to Steve Forbes in that Hannibal movie.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:50 | 4649391 ShrNfr
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That is not fair to the feral pigs. They would get sick eating crap like that.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:15 | 4648590 Ariadne
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Street justice is coming

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:31 | 4648595 JustObserving
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if you do not know that you live in a fascist, police state, you need to cut down on your magic mushrooms consumption.

There is a powerful element of hypocrisy, as NSA whistle-blower Edward Snowden noted, “where an elected official does not care at all that the rights of millions of ordinary citizens are violated by our spies, but suddenly it’s a scandal when a politician finds out the same thing happens to them.”

But there is a more fundamental issue at stake: the mounting threat to democratic rights and constitutional processes that emanates from the military-intelligence apparatus of the US government.

For all the media publicity devoted to the political infighting between the White House and Congress, or the decisions of the Supreme Court, the real power in America is in the hands of an unaccountable, murderous apparatus of violence, provocation and spying that includes the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, FBI and a dozen other such agencies.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/03/13/pers-m13.html

Obama hands over all raw data collected by the NSA on Americans (including all your emails, phone calls and text messages) over to Israel since March 2009 and no politician in the land of the free has the temerity, testicles, or testosterone to comment on it.:

The most extraordinary passage in the memo requires that the Israeli spooks “destroy upon recognition” any communication provided by the NSA “that is either to or from an official of the US government.” It goes on to spell out that this includes “officials of the Executive Branch (including the White House, Cabinet Departments, and independent agencies); the US House of Representatives and Senate (members and staff); and the US Federal Court System (including, but not limited to, the Supreme Court).”

The stunning implication of this passage is that NSA spying targets not only ordinary American citizens, but also Supreme Court justices, members of Congress and the White House itself. One could hardly ask for a more naked exposure of a police state.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/13/surv-s13.html

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:03 | 4648783 Bunders
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"if you do not know that you live in a fascist, police state, you need to cut down on your magic mushrooms consumption."

Or increase your magic mushroom consumption and wait to be arrested. That should make things clear.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:42 | 4648952 Spumoni
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Well hey- maybe the NSA has done us a favor - who needs supervision more than those toadmoles at SCOTUS? Or Congress, or the Senate, and who really gives a shit about the White House anyway? We know for sure that place is fucked, and has been since Ken Starr destroyed the last vestiges of credibility that it had. Maybe that's as well too, since there hasn't been any integrity in the White House since Teddy, OK well Maybe the Kennedy boys - but they were dead before they could really do much about what went before.

You neck-stretchers better think about your plan, though. Rifles ain't gonna do much against a microwave cannon.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:58 | 4649003 swmnguy
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As bad as all this is, it's actually worse.  Remember who was paying Edward Snowden's wages when he found all this stuff?  It wasn't the NSA or any other government agency.  It was the private corporation Booz/Allen/Hamilton.  That tells us lots of things, but here's the one that stands out for me.  All the government agencies, even the secret ones, are at least supposedly bound by certain laws, Constitutional considerations, and oversight.  None of these controls on government apply to private corporations.  So government agencies hire private corporations to do the dirty work, providing them each cover of secrecy and deniability.  The agency can "truthfully" claim not to have been involved, and to be unaware of what their contractors were doing. Same reason the military uses so many corporate "Security Contractors," or if we may be vulgar, mercenaries.  It isn't the military or US intelligence doing these things, see.  We would never do those things.  There must have been a misunderstanding by these lowly contractors.  But the arrangement with the private corporation is classified, see, so you'll have to go ask them what happened.  And then if it gets too hot, they'll dissolve Blackwater and rename it Xe, or maybe Graystone.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:34 | 4649478 Raging Debate
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SWMNswimguy - Excellent insight. Remember Rome. At the end, they hired mercenaries. Eventually an Odeacer shows up to finish it off.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:56 | 4649221 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Regardless of all the misdirection the temples of shalom always worked for the Roman Empire not the other way around. That hasn't changed in a 1000+ years. Joos and jews who don't know they are joos like Christians who call themselves Catholics that don't know their real history work for the boss they ain't the boss in the bigger scheme of the empire.

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:21 | 4649298 Raging Debate
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Just Observing: Government of Israel. Turned there back on the Creator. The proles will suffer as usual. They are a nation of need of liberation as well... Isn't it interesting how countries that start out with the true mantra of liberty eventually become very successful then corrupted by sociopaths? It is the cycle like the ones I see of the birds, like Blue Jays and Cardinals. Or, it is the same patterns of excitement of thermal dynamics of physics and seperation and reconnection but always slightly different form. If you study those two, you know exactly what will happen and why. All else is mental masterbation and speculation about what already IS.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:23 | 4649299 Raging Debate
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Just Observing: Government of Israel. Turned there back on the Creator. The proles will suffer as usual. They are a nation of need of liberation as well... Isn't it interesting how countries that start out with the true mantra of liberty eventually become very successful then corrupted by sociopaths? It is the cycle like the ones I see of the birds, like Blue Jays and Cardinals. Or, it is the same patterns of excitement of thermal dynamics of physics and seperation and reconnection but always slightly different form in atomic and subatomic particles. If you study those two, you know exactly what will happen and why. All else is mental masterbation and speculation about what already IS. Observe, measure and enhance your life.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:20 | 4649601 DarthVaderMentor
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Neo-progressives would actually eat more of those magic mushrooms, not less!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:16 | 4648600 Duke Dog
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Everyone that believes they had nothing to do with developing the "bug", raise your hand!

LMAO - wait until they introduce the "fix".

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:21 | 4648624 asierguti
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I do. I am a software developer, and after the bug was exposed I reviewed the source code. I've seen these kind of mistakes and bugs hundreds of times.

 

The bug was introduced when adding a new feature over the encryption channel. The author missed the bug, the reviewer (all the code is always reviewed) also missed it, as well as many other software developers.

 

Remember, OpenSSL is open source, so you can grab the code and review it whenever you want. So does everyone else on the Internet.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:35 | 4648684 I Write Code
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How open is it?

LOL

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:27 | 4648898 chemystical
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"The bug was introduced when adding a new feature over the encryption channel. The author missed the bug, the reviewer (all the code is always reviewed) also missed it"

Well out of my bailiwick, but are you making assumptions and presenting them as facts?  WHO was the author?  WHO was the reviewer?  And HOW do YOU know for a fact that they missed this? 

Until you can answer those 3 questions you are assuming facts not in evidence every bit as much as the posters to whom you are saying, "Whoah, hold on a minute.  This is all innocuous". 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:19 | 4649596 DarthVaderMentor
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and if you believe this was unintentional, I think I still have some investments you can buy still available on part of a tranche on mortgages on the Brooklyn Bridge......

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:18 | 4648606 nc551
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With the resources the NSA has available to it there is no reason they can't have plants on just about every major open source project of importance.  How do we know they aren't also introducing these bugs as well as exploiting them.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:19 | 4648610 buzzsaw99
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stasi bastidges

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:19 | 4648611 Inthemix96
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I know we lot here are not suprised.

Just wait till that point is reached when the populace understands just what these cunts are doing

To said cunts from NSA and the equally evil GCHQ, Dog fucking help not just you, but your friends and families.

It pains me to say this, whats coming your way, is seriously worse than death.

Fucking pay check collecting idiots, sigh, you were warned, you should of gotten a real job but you didnt.

Thats your fault.

Dog help you now.

:-)

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:19 | 4648613 syntaxterror
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Bug? Bug???

That was A FEATURE, not a bug!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:20 | 4648615 A Lunatic
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There is no end to the abuses modern day Americans will endure; and by endure I mean embrace......

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:22 | 4648630 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: and by endure I mean embrace......

+10 on that one.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:22 | 4648626 Ness.
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Don't worry - Kevin H is back at his desk now.  He'll make sure everyone feels more confident9er) this weekend and we'll forget all about our stolen user id's and passwords.

 

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:22 | 4648627 Notsobadwlad
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OK, so if we now know about "Heartbleed", then they must not need it anymore. They tell us about something old to make us not look for whatever is new. We have heard this record before.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:27 | 4648650 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Since the code is open source, it's possible the exploit was honestly found, but rest assured the NSA has other undiscovered exploits in other open source programs.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:46 | 4648961 Spumoni
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Yeah - hurry up y'all, and change those passwords and uid's...Big Butther is waiting to net 'em all up...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:22 | 4648628 NOTaREALmerican
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Didn't Truman say he was sorry he didn't shutdown the NSA when he was President, or something to that effect.

The US has been a PoliceState for longer than people want to admit.   

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 20:21 | 4649602 Confused
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Perhaps. But the technology has caught up to the desires of psychopaths in charge. And that, sadly, is when the "Police State" fully blooms.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:25 | 4648640 DIgnified
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Cant wait to see how the homos at HP spin this shit.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:40 | 4648705 Van Halen
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HP and DU and that bunch are so committed to the Kenyan jackass that he could be on video raping swine and they'd blame Republicans, scream about the war on women, and declare the swine racist. Oh, and Palin's an idiot.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:31 | 4648677 Mr Giggles
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Politicians owned by the nsa?gchq? paid in dollars, pension BWAAAAAAHHH.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:36 | 4648688 Chuck Knoblauch
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Another McAfee virus looking for another McAfee solution.

John McAfee is an asshole.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:03 | 4648799 BlindMonkey
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"John McAfee is an asshole."

 

...and sold out his interest in the company over a decade ago.  Your point on either McAfee (co.) unleashing virus to push product or John McAfee being an asshole would be what exactly?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:48 | 4648966 Spumoni
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John's just out having fun. He doesn't want to write security for those cretijerks anymore. Why ya think he holed up in Belize for so long?

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:36 | 4648689 Van Halen
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"but left consumers exposed, then it may be time to finally launch a class action lawsuit against Obama's favorite means to eavesdropping on the entire world."

How can you blame Obama? He didin no nuffin! He wus playin golf! He learn about it on da news! You rasist!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:37 | 4648694 wxw108
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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a6785a6c-c029-11e3-bfbc-00144feabdc0.html...

Report links Chinese military to cyber hacking

These FT british dudes crying all the time. I really dont understand, what are you worried about? NSA got your back!

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:41 | 4648710 put_peter
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In Soviet Union there used to be microphones in the hotel rooms for western world. This is just an increase in productivity in spying.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:47 | 4648735 comob
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"NSA used Heartbleed bug"

Fixed that for ya, no wait...

"NSA developed and deployed Heartbleed bug"

If this has legs that'll be the takeaway on this by Monday.

Paging Snowdon and Greenwald...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:59 | 4649011 chemystical
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"Paging Snowdon and Greenwald"

  • name 1 thing that Snowden told us that we didn't already know
  • ooooh, the US spies on its citizens and foreign leaders.  No shit.  Gasp, what a fucking revelation.  (sarc).  You want to leak something Snowden/Greenwald?  Then tell us WHAT the docs say about, for example, Angela Merkel, and NOT simply that there exists a programme to collect said docs
  • why would he select ONE journalist to whom he leaked this?  (Two actually - if by extension you include Poitras).  A journalist he did not know prior to this.
  • if he has gazillions of reams of docs, then why are they being leaked 1 paragraph at a time?  at this pace we'll all be long dead before he gets to page 5
  • why nary a peep about ISR in ANY of these leaks?
  • why Greenwald - whose new boss in a multimillion dollar job is Pierre Omidyar - who spent a quarter of a BILLION dollars to buy Greenwald and Poitras and who now de facto owns the Snowden files.  and whose co-workers in that new job are Jay Rosen and Dan Froomkin (more Tribe favorites).  and who's 1st employer was the kosher firm Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz.  and who was named by Foreign Policy magazine (a propaganda arm of Ziocon and Neocon Central) as one of the top 100 global thinkers of 2013.  Yeah, I trust Greenwald as far as I can throw him.
  • why Greenwald's refusal to answer salient questions about the Omidyar deal?  He's shut down interviews as soon as that subject comes up.
Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:52 | 4648757 Duc888
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Hey, imagine if they actually worked against the American people.....

 

 

oh, wait....

 

"Spying for fun and profit".  LOL  Gotta love it.  This shit is too funny.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 15:56 | 4648770 Chuck Knoblauch
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Why wont ZH post an article about the Feds destroying a Nevada rancher's right to operate a cattle ranch as the PRICE of beef soars? Yes Ty, there is a connection to the financial markets in this story. Pull your head out of your collective asses!

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:40 | 4648940 Nacho.Libre
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Would it be any less suprising if it turned out to be about oil and gas?
http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:06 | 4649043 chemystical
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Why is it illegal for a cattleman to factually market his product as being free from CWD and BSE and the associated prions? 

By what fucking rationale can the FDA say it's illegal to say what your product does NOT contain...while simultaneously providing cover for frankenfood by refusing to label GMO foods as such?

Up is down and down is up, and Uncle Fucking Samuelstein usurps the power to tell you what a fucking compass is and whether you're permitted to have one.

and a few days ago a poster accused me of seeing conspiracies and psy-ops too often.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:04 | 4648802 rustymason
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All of our leaders are above the law now. Do what you want legally, it won't matter. The only thing that will kill this beast is violent revolution, and no one is in a hurry for that. 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:14 | 4648839 Chuck Knoblauch
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Could a Venezuela style food riot brake out in the United States?

I think Wal-Mart would hire snipers before they raised their prices significantly.

It's only a matter of time.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:11 | 4649057 chemystical
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"I think Wal-Mart would hire snipers before they raised their prices significantly."

Wal-Mart wouldn't need to hire them; they'd be provided gratis by an alphabet soup multijurisdictional task force.

P.S.  Why the fuck does the FDA have a SWAT Team???

http://wholenewmom.com/reaching-out/swat-team-invades-raw-milk-farm-arrests-3-dumps-safe-milk/

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:52 | 4648975 Spumoni
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You know, its really simple - all we need is a national strike. We don't drive, we don't shop, we tell those bastards to enforce the Rule of Law or we ain't supporting their bullshit anymore. What's to deal? We have the technology, and enough ZH catcallers to get the word out./ Set a date, spread the word. No work in USSA starting November 4, 2014. No taxation without representation. 

Fuck these sonsa bitchez.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 17:16 | 4649088 chemystical
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"Set a date, spread the word. No work in USSA starting November 4, 2014. No taxation without representation."

Could you spare a dime or a few thousand while your brethren are not working?  No work = no pay for the vast majority.  The folks you are protesting can wait out your "siege" longer than you can.

paraphrasing: When peaceful revolution is impossible; violent revolution is inevitable.  Then again, Dancing With The American Voice Boss Honey Booboo Stars is on.

 

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:26 | 4649316 Raging Debate
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Nah, learn from the Russians they figured it out, just pretend to work just as they pretend you can make a living. Kiss the bosses ass to keep your job while literally doing next to nothing.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 18:26 | 4649317 Raging Debate
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Nah, learn from the Russians they figured it out, just pretend to work just as they pretend you can make a living. Kiss the bosses ass to keep your job while literally doing next to nothing.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:07 | 4648813 proLiberty
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Endless debt and infinite money enables endless and infinite government. For a variety of reasons we must remove from government the power to create money out of thin air by which it:

1) puts us all in debt serfdom to pay the interest;

2) diminishes the purchasing power of the money we have saved;

3) buys votes with constituency groups that become dependent upon "benefits" that become a form of "in-kind income" that competes against paying jobs at the lower skill levels;

4) is able to finance going to war even when citizens don't support it;

5) expands bureaucracies, the things they regulate and the number of armed people they employ to find and arrest people who violate regulations they didn't even know existed, or even violating foreign laws. Recall that Gibson Guitar was raided for importing wood that lacked the proper label. Excess bureaucracy sent Abbie Schoenwetter to federal prison for shipping lobster in plastic instead of cardboard. Excess bureaucracy defines the drainage ditch in your back yard as a federally protected "navigable waterway" that you are forbidden to "disturb".

A government that can create its own money does not have to ask taxpayers for permission to spend more to feed its self-serving bureaucratic activities. When states start calling for a Convention to consider amendments to the Constitution, the first topic must be to restrain federal spending. A government that must live within its means is a government that must focus on the important things rather than imposing evermore intrusive laws and regulations having the weight of law.

Every day more people are coming to the judgment that a carefully organized effort to repair the constitution via the States' power to propose and ratify amendments has less risk to our liberty and prosperity than the present trajectory of the federal government and especially the federal bureaucracy.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:30 | 4648892 Chuck Knoblauch
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As long as you can buy a loaf of bread, a dozen eggs, milk and butter for under $10, no one is going to get violent. When the price for that basket of goods hits $30, expect some trouble.

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:40 | 4649492 mistaboins
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It may be 10$ for eggs, bread, and milk, but if you want real eggs, bread, and milk (raw milk, free range earthbound chickens, properly made bread) you're talking 30 bucks there! But, it is worth whatever, to eat real food, it is your only defense against disease...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 19:41 | 4649493 mistaboins
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It may be 10$ for eggs, bread, and milk, but if you want real eggs, bread, and milk (raw milk, free range earthbound chickens, properly made bread) you're talking 30 bucks there! But, it is worth whatever, to eat real food, it is your only defense against disease...

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:07 | 4648814 GooseShtepping Moron
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"I see they've installed your heart plug already. Don't be angry, everyone gets one here."

-Baron Harkonnen

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:30 | 4648893 smacker
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"Fastmail" private e-mail provider has issued an advisory to all its customers to change their passwords after this Heartbleed SSL exposure.

Info:  http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/critical-crypto-bug-in-openssl-o...

Fastmail blog:  http://blog.fastmail.fm/2014/04/08/all-ssl-certificates-updated/

Fri, 04/11/2014 - 16:38 | 4648931 dot_bust
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So, does anyone still believe that the U.S. Government is there to protect Americans? That's the justification that was used to pass the Patriot Act.

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