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Europe Folds As Putin Tells It To Pay Ukraine's Gazprom Bill, Or Else
Another day ending in "y" means another day in which Putin plays the G(roup of most insolvent countries)-7 like a fiddle.
The latest: Europe should provide aid to Ukraine to ensure uninterrupted natural-gas deliveries to the region, President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman said as reported by Bloomberg.
"Russia is the only country helping Ukraine’s economy with energy supplies that are not paid for," Dmitry Peskov told reporters today in Moscow, commenting on President Vladimir Putin’s letter yesterday to 18 European heads of state. “The letter is a call to immediately review this situation, which is absurd on the one hand and critical on the other.
Said otherwise: PUTIN SAYS EUROPE GAS TRANSIT DEPENDS ON UKRAINE: IFX
Or, as we explained yesterday, Russia is quite happy to keep the EU gas flowing... as long as Ukraine has enough gas in storage to assure Gazprom it won't syphon off gas destined for Europe. So how much gas does Ukraine need to pre-stock? About $4-5 billion worth. The problem is that Ukraine doesn't have a dime to spend on gas.
So putting the question aside if Ukraine will or won't import even one bcf of Russian gas ever again (thanks to some fracking or US natgas exporting magic), what Putin just said is that if Europe wants an uninterrupted supply of gas it better find a way to fund Ukraine to the tune of up to $5 billion, or else the gas may just get shut off.
And guess what: Putin is about to win yet again:
European Energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger is working on a plan to help Ukraine pay some of its gas bills to Russia, he told Austria's ORF radio on Friday, saying there was "no reason to panic" about Russian gas supplies to Europe.
"We are in close contact with Ukraine and its gas company to ensure that Ukraine remains able to pay and the debts that the gas company has to Gazprom do not rise further," he said, adding he would meet Ukraine's energy and foreign ministers on Monday.
"I am preparing a solution that is part of the aid package that the IMF, the European Union and the World Bank is giving to Ukraine and from which payment for open bills will be possible."
The chass game continues: Putin X+1 - Pidgeons 0
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The Vig will always get paid.
Bingo!! Neo-Keynesian economics: Pay the vig on money (poof!!) loaned into existence and everything is fine!
Vlad to Barry: "... but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?"
*boots to the head*
I would also expect very very low electric rates from now on going to Crimea.
That might actually be a significant and viable Ukr payment plan...free nuclear power for Crimea to make up for the debts.
redux
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc
The most important piece of this article is when Oetingger said No reason to panic. LOL. Start shitting pants anytime. Don't forget to save it as you can burn it when it dries.
Shhh.. These are the core NATO depends plans...it will be a Shit to Energy program first tested in Club Med.
Illustration of the gold standard: He who has the gold, makes the standard.
Ukraine increase pipeline fees on EU.
"Ukraine increase pipeline fees on EU."
Anyway, the EU will pay for it, but not Russia.
Obama`next speech:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are not a nation of deadbeats"
Signs and tears out a check adressed to ACME Generic East European nation. "
"One hundred billion dollars"
'they wanna have a war to keep us on our knees
They wanna have a war to keep their factories
They wanna have a war to stop us buying Japanese
They wanna have a war to stop Industrial Disease
They're pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind
They wanna sap your energy incarcerate your mind
The IMC is Obama, Putin, and this site for that matter,
putin must give this gas for free as compensation to the jews for the nazi crimes of ww2.
putin is guilty of doing nothing during that time he is an accomplice he must compensate jews everywhere.
free gas for king yats the yid of kiev i say
Mr Wilson I detect a hint of sarcasm in your tone! But what really scares the crap out of me is it could probably work. I'v moved on through pessimism into cynical, and beyond and one thing is for sure, don't underestimate the success that tribe has had with their 60 year sham! The level of disingenuous thinking in this world baffles me day in and day out.
Oh yea + 1 for you my friend
Always have been amazed that a country that small is second only to the U.S. in arms production and sales.
Merchants of Death indeed.
Da Svidanya! Don't let the dvier hit you on the popka on the way out the door!
Like I said: All the BIG wars ALWAYS start in Europe...
Obviously the west isn't very good at poker. If Putin disrupts supply he effctively cuts off his own cash flow. China will fill the gap? Not likely and certainly not yet.
There are no alternative sources for gas?
Yes there are. It takes time to set them up but it can be done.
Canada has about as much or more than good ol' Russia. We are one of the west countries and so fall under the money printing nonesense but still we have tons of resources.
Putin wants to Bluff. Call him on it.
Putin knows what you said and times his moves accordingly. Maybe they should call his "bluff" and see how that works out.
The actual Marcus Aurelius was very intelligent.
Obama and the rest of the 'Canadian oil pipelines are dirty' crowd would rather sacrifice their firstborns than rely upon Canadian oil and gas. It's much better they poison their own well water with fracking than rely upon Canadian oil and gas.
It isn't logical, but there you go.
Canada should bluff - start discussions with Putin on what to do with Canada's natural resources and then you'll see things hit fans. But a fuss in Europe doesn't mean much to the average American.
Sir, you are a lousy poker player. Just stay home and watch Fox & friends, would ya? iiissshhhh
Dude, the Russians just got through 20 years of currency collapse and actual great depression and eating onions and beetroot soup ... and coping with Boris Yeltsin. You really think the Russians don't know how to hang-tough, materially, far longer than Europeans can stand the economic collapse, unemployment, banking-snuff, and the cold of next winter?
I'm pretty sure Germany doesn't want to play economic-Stalingrad with Vlad.
One Stalingrad was enough...
Uzbekistan is the best source for gas to Europe and Ukraine. It will require a military agreement with Georgia which is long overdue. In light of Russia's actions, I suspect that Turkey and the rest of NATO will see the time has come to push back.
Time to really fuck with Russia. Foment the Muslims in the Chechnya and other bordering areas?
There is a whole pile of payback that Vlad will now need to consider. Russia is vast and vulnerable...just don't try to march on Moscow! All other options are rich with easy picking targets.
I see this pattern that started with Georgia and now Ukraine as ample evidence that Russia is no longer a partner for peace but is a rogue state. Gloves off.
Russia is vast and vulnerable...just don't try to march on Moscow!
i disagree i think a head on push into moscow and starlingrad or whatever the new name is soche olympacs george karlin grad.
forward thrust using cia,mossad,mi6,sas,sbs,idf and seal team 666 should do it i think 10 days tops to conkers
the russians are weak they live in cardboard and live on turnips.
are furoror hiltler showed how discisive a forward thrust deap into the flaccd russian loins can be.
if we bring bread and donuts and cake we will be welcomed like a young boy at a rothschild party the locals will throw flowers and leaves down and eat us up.
"Russia is vast and vulnerable"
Russia is vast and vulnerable just like Finland wasn't. Russia has a huge border with some of the more populous parts of China but the Chinese know not to cross it or to make ad-hoc territorial claims over Russian territory.
http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/29263_russia_china.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Russia_border
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
And note this little event, it's one that almost no one knows about today, nor realizes almost ended human civilization die to infringements on Russian territory:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7720461/USSR-planne...
His "don't attack Moscow" advice requires some less superficial reading about the WWII Eastern-Front battles as the pivotal battles were almost all nowhere near Moscow, but were conducted between 600 to 1,500 km distance from Moscow in the SW and southern flanks ... the area he recommends making some sort of attack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Eastern_Front_of_World_War_II
And the "endless Russian Stepe" was the horror story of the German armies and their logistics supply, and it was in fact the German 'Superman' who was actually highly-vulnerable, and who were routinely outflanked and encircled, then completely wiped-out.
"Toto, I’ve got a feeling we’re not in Kansas any more"
http://quotespics.com/wp-content/quote-images/toto-i-ve-got-a-feeling-we...
oh well, ... FAIL
"Time to really fuck with Russia"
Because you (I assume you're American) haven't been fucking with them enough already? Georgia 2008, Ukraine this year, Bush's missile shields, US military bases in various 'stan republics, etc. etc. on and on for the last 20 years.
It's funny how you get the aggressor/aggressee relationship exactly backwards. I guess you also think that Russia having a sphere of influence in its neighboring countries is just so outdated - but the U.S.'s sphere of influence can stretch all around the globe, that's OK.
Cool. It will be quicker. Thank you for these ideas.
You haven't read much history have you?
Did you finish highschool?
Putin has never offended by his enemies, he just punishes them.
The U.S. gets 50 % of uranium for nuclear power plants from Russia. Putin may at any time declare counter sanctions and stop the supply of uranium to the United States. This will be cause the big collapse of power energy in U.S. Because in the world no other uranium supply.
Putin also can give the people of Afghanistan 1000 latest Russian MANPADS and 3000 new Russian RPG. After that , the occupying NATO troops face one big problem: How to remove the bodies of its soldiers in Afghanistan if the planes with corpses, constantly churning?
"Putin wants to Bluff. Call him on it. "
If you take into account the forecasts of a sharp increase in demand for gas for the EU and China in the next 10 years, then you would not be so naive.
"If Putin disrupts supply he effctively cuts off his own cash flow."
Leave the geo-political armchair analysis to us experts. You have clearly failed to work this through: very real people will die from the cold in the winter, very real people will not have work because the factories can't run without energy and very real (EU) politicians will be facing the business end of the pitchfork from those very real people without the benefit of Russian energy.
My recommendation: sit back for a while and observe. Personally, I am a strict adherent to the 2 minute rule. I observe and listen to a converstion for 2 full minutes before opening my fucking mouth.
It's amazing how you manage to get the facts about natural gas balances completely wrong.
Vladimir is Putin' it to them.... You go guy!...
Wouldn't it simply be amazing if the EU called Putin's bluff and in case both are willing to go "as far as is necessary" we would see an epic race to the bottom. It could even be a new reality TV format. Whose population kills their leaders first in epic nationwide rioting as their economies implode. Or, in this case, continent wide. I think Putin would die first, but it's a tough call.
Putin always knew this was about Maidan 2 in Moscow.
Did the EU know about the movie Syriana Brussels Edition ?
Wait until your doctor finds out you have skipped your medication again!
"I think Putin would die first, but it's a tough call."
You really are very naive. Russia will be able to live without the flow of currency from the EU just because people in Russia always used to hardship and deprivation. Russia will be receive currency from China. It will be less currency, but Russia will live a year, two, three, ten, and so on.
But Europe can not live without Russian gas even one winter. Because without Russian gas, the EU authorities will be faced with a difficult choice: Either disable the heating in the homes of citizens, or to stop the industry.
In any of these cases, Washington's plan to destroy Europe, can be considered as successfully executed.
"There are levels of survival we are willing to accept."
Always thought the Architect was so criminally underrated in Reloaded. Willing to slog through the rest of it just for the minute where he schools the young messiah. Now, why do I keep thinking of that scene more and more . . .?
Currently M.I.A. Asst Sec of State extraordinairre Victoria Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan to the rescue with a skirt up panties down strategic supply of methane for Ukraine & EU members to share!
Walter Pidgeon?
Looks like Putin has come to Europe with an Avoska or "maybe bag."
Collective bail-in! ... it's for freedum ... somefing ... cue the clowns and the hot trapeze girl ... and some pop-tarts ...
Let me put this in a Hallmark card:
Front: "Europe My Dear.
Inside: "LOL"
I wonder if he gets tired of playing against such incompetent opponents?
Does he crave a real challenge, someone who can give him a run for his money as a heavyweight statesman/gangster?
Shame that wont be happening anytime soon.
Reminds me of an adult playing Tic-Tac-Toe with a 4 year old.
The EU isn't just bargaining from a position of weakness.
They can't even bargain, they are dependent on Russia.
Nimrod diplomacy at its best.
The scene from Blazeing Saddles comes to mind.
" Don't move, or the Nigger gets it in the head "
Europe is being subordinated. It's happening. They will scream and protest, and act all indignant, and they have been chucking quite a hissy-fit, but they'll still end up with the same result.
And they will love it. Vlad owns the Tavern, and Brussels is that annoying pisshead, with the empty wallet at 10 PM.
And all those economisseds who rabbited-on about the economic perplexities of being a giant resources economy?
Ha, yeah well, they can suck on that.
I completely agree, and it is happening before our eyes.
Bart: "Do wha he saaay! Do wha he saaay!
RIP Clevon Little.
wheat futures anyone.... who controls the wheat? ukraine or russia...
what about the alumina plant... what resources does ukraine have.... the economy IS NON EXISTANT...
accelerate the ussa gaz export program .... but again, who PAYS the bill.... It would have been a nice economic drain on russia to leave it as it was.... the sevestopol base was the crux.. and putin was willing to go to war for that. he was also willing to give $15 billion to his puppet...
hey wait... ussa can borrow money from china to pay ukraine for missle bases... that'l work just fine...
Barter of significant resources is in the G20's future.
The adults will defend their lines and borders.
The children will all suck-up to their Sugar Daddy's this weekend (i.e. NOW).
In the end there will be fewer borders as all the smaller bubbles pop and enter into larger defensible bubbles.
(like beer bubbles)
"ussa can borrow money from china to pay ukraine for missle bases... that'l work just fine... "
China sends its response to the U.S.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X1s1C6wmU8
Another examle how EU foreign policy is not in the interest of the EU member states, but controlled by the alien twelve yellow stars that are openly shown even on the EU's flag. Another huge bancrupt country has been put on the German taxpayer sheeples, just to encircle the last stronghold against the NWO further.
Just like the US foreign policy DESTROYS the USA and is only in the interst of the very same nation...
Will the gentiles recognize ever again which alien force is ruling their countries?
"Walk softly, but carry a big wrench (to turn off natural gas pipelines)" -- Putin, 2014
This is a good one too:
The Guardian: Russia's VTB criticises Bank of England's demands
Kostin (a member of Putin's United Russia party, is one of Russia's most powerful bankers and led the push for VTB's overseas expansion, setting up investment banking offices in London, Hong Kong, Dubai and Singapore) said he had been visited by a number of western bankers, from Europe and the US, who had "specifically flown in to confirm their intention" of working with VTB. Businesses wanted to co-operate with Russia he said, "simply our colleagues will not advertise it loudly because they feel the pressure".
Here is the "ABSURDITY":
Former Kleptocrat-in-Chief, Victor Yanucovych, along with his BS family and cronies siphoned off BILLIONS from Ukraine over the last several years.
Q: Where is that money now? A: In Russian Banks!
Is it $5billion worth or more? That is not yet known.
But how much is the lease for the Sebastapol port worth? By contract, it is worth an 80+% reduction in gas prices for Ukraine. Are the Russian Mobsters, Putin & Co, vulnerable to the World court and the European Court?
I think that Russia has a lot to lose here. And should the USA decide to stomp their military "flatter than a pancake" it will only be the threat of nuclear force that will save Russia...but their disgrace will be EPIC.
It is time to call the Russian Bluff. We can sell them our old junk tanks and planes as an "upgrade" after we clean out their inventory. It will be a Win Win.
you have eat too much cookies, Vitoria Nulland cokkies
Victoria Nulland is better looking than Pilosi but neither have cookie appeal.
You are very poorly informed as to Russian equipment and their military capabilities. You sound like a man out of the line of fire.
Not at all.
Dude,
Re: military capabilities, you sound clueless.
All warfare is based on deception. Deception and disinformation is designed to fool those who are sure they are superior to be destined to lose and become enslaved. Just because we've won one war and probably lost Afghanistan because of bad leadership doesn't guarantee another easy win, if at all. Everyone made fun of the Mig-25 that landed in Japan a few decades ago because it used vacuum tubes. That is, until I the lonely nuclear analyst pointed out that it could survive an EMP attack better than anything the US and the rest of the west had flying at the time and shoot down its adversaries.
Remember.....AK-47, T-34.....and the list goes on. Don't be arrogant fools
How do you say "PAY UP SUCKAH" in Russian?
It pays its bills or it shivers in the dark.
Begin full retard: http://rt.com/usa/us-troops-nato-ukraine-484/
fighting goat herders for the last 12 years will be great preparation for them when they come up against the Russians.
In the end of the day, Vlad has to give Vitoria Nullan a Order of Saint Andrew the Apostle the First-Called for the service she´s done for imperial Russia.
Jeez this ain't even that funny anymore.
Putin must be pissing himself when dealing with these clueless marxoids.
It must be nice to hold all the cards with a deck stacked in your favor.
Putin is once again playing chess and Europe is playing a Polka.
OPA Russian Style..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCkiuONdeY
How many layers of reality and deception are there? Does anyone know?
What is real and what is staged theater to guide the masses?
I honestly don't know, but knowing we don't know is a important state of mind..
It's all a shit show. Just keep stacking and preparing for what's to come.
KIev backpedals on referendums after deadline to stop protests expires....
Opa! http://rt.com/news/ukraine-protest-deadline-expires-856/
please take my pretty shiny fiat in exchange for your nat gas... please... pleeeease... no?
Long live the anti-globalists and those against the criminal bankster politicians in Washington D.C..
Seems Ukraine could just as easilly turn off the gas and tell Europe it needs help...or no more gas.
If Russia can hold Europe hostage, why not Ukraine?
We'll let you be the one that tells Putin that you have taken over command.
Good luck with that.
So now the acronym can be elongated U PIGS ( Ukraine, Portugal, Italy, Spain) on the who's sucking onto the IMF Government tit?
They want Europe to print!
Print what? Euro or Yuan? I don't think he bites the $ thingy anymore...
even an amatuer chess player could have seen that move coming a mile away.
EU should wash their hands of Ukraine. Build a pipeline around it.
Eeeeehhh.... They HAVE : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
I assure you, Germany is quite safe from any gas embargos.
And what if Ukraine decides to use the Samson Option when all else fails? (The Samson Option is massive retaliation by a weaker party that destroys both the aggressor and the defender.) To wit: the Ukrainians start blowing up pipelines not in one place but in dozens of places....booster stations also destroyed and numerous pieces of other infrastructure rendered useless that are now used to operate the pipelines. Result: Ukraine gets invaded and occupied. Europe freezes. Poland, Latvia and Lithuania go on a war footing followed by other NATO countries. Russia's economy goes straight into the dumper from a lack of income off gas sales. Everybody loses big time. Even though the U.S. has ample gas supplies of its own the contagion from this scenario would tank the world economy and a world depression would not be completely out of the question.
"In Europe, there is no natural gas"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7vbzTKWeIU
In Jeff Foxworthy parlance...
If your Government out of desperation is willing to use one of their own "false flags" that they didn't do a very good job of covering up to blame another Country they want to control even though they know the "blowback" from that coverup will only make things far worse for themselves... Then your "Government" might be full of paranoid, deranged and delusional psychopath...
Desperate times... Call for desperate measures...
I don't think even England, Israel and Saudi Arabia are willing to help us PR front this one.
Hook a rubber hose to Nuland's big ass, plenty of gas there...maybe enough for ALL of yoorope!!!
Do you suppose Putin will talk about this?
The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
Extortion is a dangerous business.
Neither Europe, Russia or China are capable of going to war right now. Putin's just the best at bluffing this fact.
And it has nothing to do with ideology, economics, military might or anything of that matter. It simply comes down to mother nature, and demographics. Russia and Europe both have an abysmal birth rate (1.7 for Russia - 1.6 for Europe ((even with the Muslim population))), and China's one child policy rule has created a society where there are not enough young people to support the pensioners.
This is the core problem of these major powers have: if they declare war they are sending their young population (which is a scarce resource - and it IS a resource) to die, having less and less workers to sustain the growing number of pensioners.
Median age in Russia is 39 for men and 41 for women. Putin is fully aware of the consequence of such a war. Further still, Russia's main tactical weakness is the distribution of it's Demographics. A vast vast VAST majority of Russia's soil is empty. devoid of any human civilization. devoid of any infrastucture. And if anyone ever had the pleasure of taking the trans-siberian railway or seeing that endless stretch of Taiga, you'd know exactly the bleakness of that land. 79% of it's population live in rural areas. It would take destroying a few centers of food production, or gas production, and the cities starve.
Europe on the other hand is facing it's own demographic problem. If it was to go to war it would need to recruit a huge number of troops - once again depleting them of that very precious and rare resource: Young people. Although, in it's case, I can argue that those 30% unemployed could serve as raw-cannon fodder.
China is the least likely to go to war. It simply cannot. It's demographics and economy would collapse. A war with the west invites Japan to invade (again), and you bet the Japanese are more than capable of it. China's dependence on so much imports from allies of the West is going to cripple it. If Putin goes to war with Europe, I bet China would stay out of it. They have the most to lose in this match.
TLDR: The pay off for the main players is too little to risk an actual confrontation or declaration of war. At BEST they can flex their muscles, show that they are prepared, and hope to de-escalate.
The Fact is: Ukraine is too much of a nobody for anyone to actually go to war with. Shout and act like little kids in the playground? Oh absolutely! Try to gain some political points at home? Oh absolutely. But actually risk war? Naw, it's not worth it...for anyone.
Gee, that what was said about Belgium in WWI and Sudetenland in WWII.
And then there was Georgia...and now Ukraine.
Chewtoy, you got some learnin' to do.
Novi, beware...there are Europeans in this forum who could challenge the BS you're putting up in here....you don't know the history so shhhhhhhh....
Did you read anything I wrote? At all?
Dude, you're way off. I read what you wrote and it all came out sounding like perfect reasoning for a war. It's when things are going into the shitter that politicians go to war, and what you posted was pretty shitter-worthy. Nobody can ever "afford" to go to war. That's why it's usually a last resort.
And, since the only country in Europe which may have their ducks in a row, Germany, does not need a war, they're kinda... uh, outnumbered by the indebted nations of the world holding, printing and exchanging PAPER, which is nothing.
Russia has gas, Euro has? Euros? The US wants this war, because fucking up a large portion of the civilized world make us look better. It's all been well-planned in advance and it's going to happen because that's what happens when the global economy is a total fucking fraud.
Get used to it.
Japan able to invade???
They have about the most serious demographic issues in the world in regards to an 'aging population'. And they have no offensive strength at this point.
China needs to create an internal market for goods rather than exports. And what works better than war preps?
The Ukraine is the pipe line for gas to Europe so it is not a 'nobody' state.
The only thing I see holding us back from war is that we have globalized so much that the dominos would fall all over the place. But that has not stopped us from being self destructive before.
A China fighting with Japan's Western Allies is an invitation. All Japan has to do is wait a few months for the economy in China to start collapsing and troop supply lines totally break down and they can then make sure they can make a lasting dent in China. I doubt it would stay neutral and just wait there playing a defensive game, because you don't have to be a genius to know that after the war China would set it's sights straight on Japan (who, at that point, would have no one to defend it).
War preperations are internal goods? To who?
Ukraine is not the only pipeline, and not the only source that the Europeans rely on. The only real country that cares about the impact would be Germany and Italy, and neither one is capable of doing anything about it. There is no political will in the US for another war. China is not going to engage in warfare defending Russia, who at best has a love hate relationship with. The only two countries who care are Germany and Russia, and neither one will go to war over it.
Ukraine is not worth it. Obama and his administration thought they can get some foreign policy brownie points, and were totally out maneuvered. Obama simply too naive to deal with foreign policy landscape that we have today. It backfired on his administration, that's why you hear less and less about Ukraine on the news. At BEST they can throw words at each other and make symbolic gestures.
Europe is not going to war over Ukraine. Full Stop. Demographics or not.
Nobody in Europe wants a war with Russia. It's insane. Ukraine doesn't want a war with Russia either, they would be crushed. Russia doesn't want a war with anyone either; they're earning billions piping gas to customers like me in western Europe. Everyone was getting on just fine.
The only people who want a war are Americans. The problem is the US government and the special interest groups which have taken control of the political machinery.
Compare the USA military to the Russian military here:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/
Thats a cool site, just keep in mind, even they said that they are basing their numbers of conventional warfare, that is not going to involve nuclear exchange. What also bothers me is the lack of any kind of comparison between quality. Sure, you can say Russia has x number of ships...but how many of them are modernized? How many of them aren't relics from USSR?
Numbers become less meaningful when you take quality into consideration.
History is also a gauge of how easy or difficult it is to invade. Even more important is how easy to occupy a foreign population. On both counts, Russia will sacrifice for their Motherland like no other nation. In fact, the US is in the process of selling America to the highest bidder----no need for war.
h1b baby! invaded, and done. toast. us has nothing left unless you want to take a dump in the ganges
The more-or-less disorderly US evacuation from Saigon under fire, from guys with black pajamas, AK 47s, RPGs, and mortars and a few APCs and no air cover tells you what you really need to know about the veracity of quantitative measures of military hardware and overwelming firepower.
What is getting truly urgent is to enter a full "transatlantic crisis mode", as was the case during the construction of the transsiberian pipeline by the way :
"The efforts by the U.S. pressure to prevent the construction of the pipeline, and its export embargo of supplies for the pipeline (1980–1984) constituted one of the most severe transatlantic crises of the Cold War."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy%E2%80%93Pomary%E2%80%93Uzhgorod_pip...
Or see 27:50 below :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQJ-0jAr3LQ
And to set up a true Europe/Russia dialog, telling the U.S. and their PNAC Nuland of whatever stooges to fuck off.
What ? Not possible anymore ?
Who knows ...
Shhh... It's our little secret!
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/america-s--secret--economic-weapon-to-contain-putin-203120617.html
Just don't tell these guys in Nevada that the land they've been paying taxes on for the past 131 years has other alternative uses for the Federal Government "NOW"!
"Harry"Kerry & Reid says it's not about our fuck ups with your money killing and maiming other sovereign Nations.
We need to do what we are told and "Take One for the Team"!
lol, Ameweeka Stalinist propaganda is getting so desperate, quite funny.
http://resourceinsights.blogspot.fr/2014/03/ukraine-russia-and-nonexistent-us-oil.html
or :
http://ourfiniteworld.com/2014/03/31/the-absurdity-of-us-natural-gas-exports/
You also hear about Obama trying to get Abdallah to reiterate the little present done by Fahd to Reagan in 85 to bring the USSR down :
"President Obama came to Riyadh to bring down prices in exchange for the development of Saudi Arabian facilities to extract and liquefy gas for delivery to Europe. It’s unlikely that even Charles Maurice de Talleyrand himself could have persuaded the Saudis to dump as many resources as possible onto the market in exchange for the nebulous promise of American help to obtain new gas facilities at some unspecified date in the future."
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russian-Sanctions-and-the-Nega...
About the 85 story :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02F-3l1EKsA
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Appreciate the info these are good reads.
If you're into dark comedy what's even more "funny" is the fact this isolated "Bundy Ranch" invasion is the exact same thing we've been doing in the Middle East for decades but obviously more invasive since the first Gulf War.
It's fine if it's someone elses sovereign nation that gets buckled by our own hands, but you better not mess with mine inside the good ol' borders of the continental United States???
We knew the guys in Washington would be both capable and desperate enough to fuck with their own when the USD clock ran out after Bretton Woods 1971 and it's amazing that we've allowed or allegiance and tax money to settle with these miscreants and deadbeat career politcians to prop up the rotting corpse this long. If you want to change it you better be prepared to ante up in a way that risks life and limb...
At the end of the day (collectively) we only need to look in the mirror for who's at fault!
Yes, in fact the whole "oil story" is almost completely unknown in the U.S. , and full of myths.
The biggest one is most probably :
"first oil shock (73) = Yom Kippur/Arab embargo= geopolitical story= nothing to do with geologic constraints"
When the real story was :
- end 1970 : US production peak, the energy crisis starts from there, with some heating fuel shortages for instance (some articles can be found on NYT archive on that), or :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/US_Oil_Production_and...
- Nixon name James Akins to go check what is going on.
- Akins goes around all US producers, saying this won't be communicated to the media, but needs to be known, national security question
- The results are bad : no additional capacity at all, production will only go down, the results are also presentede to the OECD
- The reserves of Alaska, North Sea, Gulf of Mexico, are known at that time, but to be developed the barrel price needs to be higher
- In parallel this is also the period of "rebalance" between oil majors and countries on each barrel revenus (Ghadaffi being the first to push 55/50 for instance), and creation of national oil companies.
- there is also the dropping of B Woods in 71 and associated $ devaluation, also putting a "bullish" pressure on oil price.
- So to be able to start Alaska, GOM, North Sea, and have some "outside OPEC" market share, the barrel price needs to go up (always good for oil majors anyway) and this is also US diplomacy strategy
- For instance Akins, then US ambassador in Saudi Arabia, is the one talking about $4 or $5 a barrel in an OAPEC meeting in Algiers in 1972
- Yom Kippur starts during an OPEC meeting in Vienna, which was about barrel revenus percentages, and barrel price rise.
- The declaration of the embargo pushes the barrel up on the spots markets (that just have been set up)
- But the embargo remains quite limited (not from Iran, not from Iraq, only towards a few countries)
- It remains fictive from Saudi Arabia towards the US : tankers kept on going from KSA, through Barhain to make it more discrete, towards the US Army in Vietnam in particular.
- Akins is very clear about that in below documentary interviews (which unfortunately only exists in French and German to my knowledge, and interviews are voiced over) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fQJ-0jAr3LQ
For instance after 24:10, where he says that two senators were starting having rather "strong voices" about "doing something", he asked the permission to tell them what was going on, got it, told them, they shat up and there was never any leak. The first oil schock "episode" starts at 18:00
(the "embargo story" was in fact very "pratical", both for the US to "cover up" US peak towards US public opinion or western one in general, but also for major Arab producers to show "the arab street" that they were doing something for the Palestinians).
And the first oil shock was first and foremost a "win win" story between oil majors and producing countries.
Note : About Akins, see for instance :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/26/AR201007...
And then the second oil shock (79) result of Iranian revolution, and leading to the "Carter doctrine", with then the Reagan corollary and creation of CENTCOM, with a rather clear emblem.
Followed by the counter oil shock (for a big part the result of Reagan administration pushing the Saudis to produce more in order to bring the USSR down), about this for instance :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02F-3l1EKsA
Do you also know that the guy who "sold" British influence in Saudi Arabia to the US (standard oil of California), was a Brit and also the father of Kim Philby (the double soviet agent) :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_John_Philby
An OK documentary about oil history (although less good than the one linked above I find) :
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2013/04/20134410523148...
In fact an adaptation of below one :
http://www.politique-actu.com/dossier/petrole-secret-sept-soeurs-geostra...
And about the Ukraine/Russia story sometimes ones can wonder if the plan is to do the "Saddam" on Putin or something.
But one thing for sure, Europe has no interests in getting into the hysterical propaganda from the US, even though it clearly does ...
One smart dude in the above yahuu nicked Rich G commented brillliantly (4/11) that I feel compelled to quote here in full for ZH readers:
"The question you as an American should seriously be asking yourself is why is the Ukraine so important to our corrupt and incompetent politicians. You see the demonization campaign going on non stop on the major networks, and the bellicose speeches by so called patriots like John McCain and Lindsay Graham, but like the run up to the Iraq war, the evidence for any action is lacking. No, you are not crazy. What you are experiencing is sophisticated brainwashing. There are parties with huge financial interests in gaining control of the Ukraine. Russia also has huge financial and strategic military interests in the country which lies on it's border. Who is the good guy in this crisis. Most brainwashed Americans would say the U.S. and European Union, but it is not what you think because the American and EU representatives are under the control of the global financial elite banker types who control the world through manipulation of currencies. Their power is derived by enforcing the exchange of global commodities with their paper currency. If one country decides to go outside this system and say accept gold or food etc.. instead, it poses a threat to their scam operation and they immediately react by starting a demonization campaign, followed by threat of military action etc.. It's really a big mob protection racket."
Putin will rue the day he taunted our Leader of the Western World. In only seconds a new sanction could be ordered (he has a phone) forbidding all pipelines from delivering energy to Ukraine. There ya go; onephone call and His Excellency will sweep away the Putin embargo !!
i'm not sure how ukraine becoming beholden to IMF 'aid' is a win for russia, it's just printed money after all. russia should ratchet up the gold purchases or better yet, demand payment in the shiny stuff.
you have to feel bad for the people about to be sold out if/when they take the loans.
Because if it happens it means they'll be getting paid by the IMF (which has some money) and not by the Ukrainians (who don't have any money at all).
Also it's the not the Russians who will be beholden. Ukraine will have to deal with all the strings that are attached to the IMF aid. From there on to Russia though it's just payment for a commodity, straighforward no strings attached.
good point. but i'd be dubious of the outcome if ukraine racks up serious debt with the IMF crew. might be a way to steal their assets/wealth...and if that's the case surely russia would rather have a piece.
Russia should demand payment in gold,
It would send the IMF hunting for gold.
The BRICS demanding gold would cause IMF banksters panic.
I hope no one here is forgetting the "other" pipeline... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
EU is quite safe with gas delivery.
Good catch MA. thanks for the link...
Can't supply to the same areas as the Ukranian supply.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Major_russian_gas_pipelines_to_europe.png
Nice article, but please correct the spelling of pigeon.
Russia: Speak softly but carry a big stick;(a lesson in international geo-politics).
1. Mobile ICBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9_-rneUjmQ
2. The most advanced defence system S-400 SAM.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIpqCmEKmNc
3 The best fighter jet Sukhoi Su-35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK7ulDQ5h8Y.
4.SS-18 Nuclear Defence Shield https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmuyxY5Ev54
5.$450 billion in foreign reserves; the world’s fourth-largest.
6. International Space Station.
7 The best computer programmers http://news.cnet.com/Russia-dominates-computer-programming-contest/2100-1007_3-6061381.html
8. 2nd largest exporter of Oil.
9. Largest exporter of gas. (Gazprom is the world's biggest gas exploration and production company)
10. Diamonds to last 3,000 years http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204566/Russia-diamonds-Source-S...
11. 2nd largest gold reserves.
12.2nd largest fresh water reserves.
13. 100% agricultural self-sufficient.
14. Debt less than 10 per cent of GDP, by far the lowest of any major economy, and in net terms Russia is one of the world’s few sovereign creditors.
Given all that, it's funny the place is such a hellhole. You'd think it'd be dotted with neat, clean little modern cities and good infrastructure, but in my travels there it's struck me as mostly a giant, decayed, third-world version of Ohio, with just as many rednecks and really, really bad food.
Yeah, the "I've been to Russia and it's a total shithole" meme.
Were you there in the 1990's when your drunken stoge Boris Yestlin and his Jew boy "oligarchs" were looting the country dry?
Pull the other one, son.
"Who run Barter Town?"
"vladster blaster."
"Who? I can't hear you."
"Vladster Blaster."
"Again!"
"VLADSTER BLASTER!"
"Is good. Power back on...."
Reagan warned that bad things would come from a Europe that became dependent upon natgas from Russia, and he was right!.
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Nothing to see here.
This has nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with allegations of WMD in the alternate gas supply pipeline route - Uh - I mean in Syia.
And it has nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with yesterday's announcement of a RUSSIAN GAS AGREEMENT WITH CHINA.
And I am shocked, SHOCKED that you would suggest it does.
The NERVE of some people and their crazy conspiracy theories!
Don't you know that politicians are fine upstanding people who would never, ever lie?
Don't you know that the TV NEWS is totally, TOTALLY INDEPENDENT, and reports honestly without censor or sanction from government?
Official announcement: There will be no climate warming in Ukraine despite the people's pleas.
I am become death, destroyer of worlds -- not saying that Putin is evil (maybe cool evil), but the nuke effers sure were......
Here is a short clip of Oppenheimer and his famous quote above. A reader has suggested the the strange head twist (at 14 seconds in) as he begins his statement of I am Become Death is actually the devil entering his body. It sure is odd. And look at his face, the stress, the introspection, the resignment.
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/01/oppenheimer-and-trinity-nuc...
Fuck Russia, Ty! I want to know what's going on with the Nevada rancher and the Feds.
THAT'S THE MORE INTERESTING STORY FOOL!
Well folks, looks like this land grab is actually for the corrupted harry reid criminal group and sponsored by the chinese.
We already lost the world war. The chinese are coming to take possession of all the US lands that were given to fight endless useless baseless wars of aggression for the banksters glory, and MIC profits. No one cares that the country belongs to the chinese now and that they are coming next year to claim it all.
THIS IS LOCAL BREAKING NEWS!!!
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-...
I think it might be time to break out those dusty old Russian language books and brush up a little.
Russian Accelerator...
One thing is for sure, this is not about energy.
Putin Put boot in
The pain in Ukraine is mainly in the groin
Obama has shot himself in he foot so often that no one has faith in him except the Russians, Chinese, Iran and the health care lobby. They know he is out of luck and has no experience confronting his lie or flight style of leading. Before anyone celebrates please recall we are in his rudderless boat and he is still leading from behind. Woe is US.
Germany has it's own pipeline to Putin's gas: The Nord-Stream-Pipeline (since 2011).
If Putin wants to pull the plug on the Ukraine-Pipeline he should do it prompt - may be in future less gas is thrickeling away...
Wow Putin is getting Ukraine to pay it's bills MASSIVE chess moves. LOL
On yesterdays satellite images of Russian troops at the border with Ukraine.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/nato-uses-old-images-taken-august-2013-claim-russian-troops-deployed-ukrainian-borders/
Perhaps they will just start a war this time without any pomp and circumstance ceremonies at the U.N.?... Must be a sign???
The markets must be ready to crash big time!
I wouldn't trust Russian spin any more than I would trust anything that comes out of Obama's mouth. Both Putin and Obama benefit from a compliant domestic press who will never question anything, no matter how obviously false.
I wouldn't trust Russian spin any more than I would trust anything that comes out of Obama's mouth
BG
Words are only words actions are what matter and proof is proof
I'd agree with you if Russia used a coup in Ottawa to overthrow the Canadian Government and had both mercenary forces and it's Navy in the Hudson Bay!
Otherwise what you are saying is total B.S.
Putin got the juice and the ability to defend it.
Everything else is not relevant. White noise.
No worries the US funded IMF will come to the rescue at the muppets expense.
And by the way isn't the IMF kinda a self-appointed clown organization thinking they are global and pretending the likes of Russia and China don't exist? Another group of irrelevant fuckheads.
..."led" by that BIG fucking douchebag Christine LeCunt, the tanned piece of shit.
Europe needs to nut up and play their shipping route card. Russia can shut off europe's gas, but Europe can shut off Russia's winter food supply. Give the Russian's a taste of their own medicine and recreate the holodomor targeted at the bastards that killed 10mil Ukrainians.
The St. Petersburg ports become useless if Denmark and Sweden deny passage for Russian interests. Ships need to pass through either Danish or Sweedish waters in order to leave the Baltic Sea.
All the Black Sea ports become useless if Turkey denies passage for Russian interests. Ships need to pass through Turkish waters in order to leave the Black Sea. This includes the Crimean ports, which might just cause Putin to give Crimea back.
The Murmansk ports are useless 4 months of the year due to sea ice coverage. The winter months.
This leaves only one reliably accessible set of ports, those in the Avacha Bay. However, Avacha Bay is almost 7000km from Moscow and every other large Russia population center and there isn't even a rail running between Avacha and western Russia. This port is next to useless for supplies. (Plus, I'm pretty sure these are military ports only.)
The last major supply possibility is a rail that begins in West Russia runs along the Mongolia border and crosses into China directly north of the Koreas. But who cares if Russia has a supply line to China? China can't even feed its own people using only their land. China is leasing land from Ukraine for additional farms.
Russia would starve trying to get through the next winter. Europe has always had the advantage, they just need to nut up and flex some muscle.
useless talkings
Soviet was never a Russian construct.
Russians and Kazaks suffered same depredations..
Obviously you are ignorant and/ or ignore who the actual bastards were in real.
From 1917 thru Stalin Russians suffered more than any.
@nje
you missed it.
russia is the 5th wheat producer and 6th meat producer.
please next try.
http://www.lavanguardia.com/internacional/20140410/54405663183/rusia-tra...
It looks liek Russia pulled over 50 bln form US and moved tehm to Belgium.
While MSM beats the war drums in MENA and Ukraine, where is their coverage for BLM brutality in Nevada?
http://bit.ly/1ex7hwq
Putin knows his Tocqueville. Democracies devolve into bankrupt, effite welfare states. He knows he has nothing to fear from the EU or the US (as long as Democrats are in control).