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"The Liberation Of Southeast Ukraine Has Begun" - Crimean Vice Premier

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On the day in which "pro-Russian separatists" are again claiming one after another city in east Ukraine, and when Russia has formally warned that any crackdown on protesters is "unacceptable" implicitly threatening retaliation should the promised use of special forces be implemented, moments ago Rustan Temirgaliev, Deputy Chairman of the Council of Miniisters of recently annexed by Russia Crimea, poured some more fuel into the fire and announced on his Facebook page that "the liberation of Southeast Ukraine has begun."

His full statement:


With things rapidly escalating out of control once more, Ukraine acting president has finally decided to, well, act:


Sadly for Kiev, as the even the Euromadian movement admits, following the seizure of regional police derpartments, Kiev no longer has a way in.

We expect NATO to promptly join in the chorus, as well as the US and Europe threatening with more severe and "costly" sanctions, even as Russia is set to expand its territory for the second time in under a month. All that is needed now is a spark, such as this one:


From the Facebook account of Arsen Avakov, Ukraine's acting internal minister:



The message from the public face of the force behind the Kiev uprising has a clear message for those who are now - in title at least - in charge of Ukraine: will someone finally stand up to the Kremlin?

The message was not just for the President though...


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Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:08 | 4651271 Oh regional Indian
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This is all happening tooo smoothly.

Meanwhile the search for MH 370 goes on and on and on and on.....

Which is the distraction and which is reality?

There is a tremor in the field....


Some Gibran true libertarians will love...

God of Lost Souls

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:09 | 4651281 SmilinJoeFizzion
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" what's the frequency Kenneth"

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:25 | 4651324 Latina Lover
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Suck it Nuland/USSA/EU, suck it, swallow each drop of the vile, heinous witches brew of pain you helped to create, to hurt people that never harmed you. Hope it acid burns as it goes down.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:29 | 4651342 Son of Captain Nemo
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You must be referring to Lavrov's Rasputin' sized cock in her mouth!...

Oh wait a minute?...

He would never want that Jew pie hole wrapped around his rod as it would probably fall off instantaneously after the "exercise"!

Not to mention just the effort in getting the erection in the first place given how ugly it truly is on the outside as it is on the inside!!!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:32 | 4651358 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Putin, you are a slick fella. Let the pro-Russian natives in Eastern Ukraine perform the revolution under the eyes of the Russian secret service. Our golfing pigeon could learn a thing or two.


Putin: 1+infinity

Pigeon: 0

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:45 | 4651365 Soul Glow
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This is not about one man.  This is about humanity, culture, and society.  This movement is very organic.

When pushed one will push back.  Don't forget, "Fuck the EU".  People have been pushed.

And don't worry, it will happen here, it's just that the fat lazy Americans are too complacent to push back yet.  When "their" pensions run dry they will push.  How hard they will be able too - considering they will not be able to drive to protests let alone get off their couches - is yet to be determined.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:59 | 4651430 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Maybe the “freedom loving", "peaceful", and "fiscally responsible” Tea Party can send some drones and tanks along with their billions in printed money to the unelected government of Ukraine.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:03 | 4651442 thamnosma
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You are one utter ignorant fool.  The "Tea Party" is mostly made up of libertarian leaning people who have been opposing this war machine and US intervention.  You really are a dumb ass.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:07 | 4651445 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Were Tea Party politicians not elected? Did they not vote in support of the unelected Facist Ukrainian government? Forgive me, I'm just trying to understand the logic.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:12 | 4651465 Soul Glow
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Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:37 | 4652410 markmotive
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'It's not wise for Europe to play gas roulette with Russia'

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:15 | 4651475 Western
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No, you truly are a liar.


Nobody can be stupid enough to think the US Dollars funneled to the Ukraine were of Tea Party nature. Are you kidding? Who in congress or senate is a TP anyway? They're all part of the same dominating false left-right wing party.


Of course, you probably knew that. You're just trying to muddy the waters and possibly sway comment readers to maybe think "the scary tea party libtards" had something to do with it.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:57 | 4651488 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Haha... how convenient... they're only the Tea Party at election time.

Many Republicans elected in 2010 and 2012 were wrapped in the banner of the Tea Party and have done nothing since, but become part of the same establishment. Are they above accountability?

The truth is difficult to accept sometimes.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:39 | 4651640 angel_of_joy
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Trolling much ?

You've got the wrong board.

Move on to HuffPo...

Or die, by red arrows !

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:50 | 4651653 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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If trolling is writing a little truth, I guess so...

If may surprise you to know that I'm not cheering for another team, but merely pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the Tea Party.

I don't speak based on how many red or green arrows I score.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:01 | 4651705 CrimsonAvenger
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Just on how much the government pays you, right?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:24 | 4651795 DeadFred
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Most of the troll accounts are started in batches and lie dormant until needed but this guy is new. Either .GOV has run through their sleeper accounts or this guy may actually believe what he says. It's not impossible because the official trolls usually have a bit more going for their arguments

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:37 | 4652409 shovelhead
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Far too dumb to be working...

I'm going with freelance fool.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:28 | 4653097 StychoKiller
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Sorry, but when the Tea Party Reps and Senators voted to perpetuate the NDAA, continuing funding for the Govt (with close to zero budget cuts!), they DO NOT represent conservative values.  They've been co-opted by the Republicons, and perhaps the Decepticrats as well!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:03 | 4651712 Anusocracy
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I remain agnostic on the tea party but

"The U.S. House voted Thursday to provide loan guarantees to Ukraine as the Eastern European country is being invaded by Russia.

The bill passed 385-23, with two Michigan members -- Republicans Justin Amash and Kerry Bentivolio -- voting against the bill."

they voted no.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:22 | 4652014 AvoidingTaxation
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Hei Gaius Frakkin' ...

Fuck you.


We don't care about the blatant hypocrisy of the Tea Party. What is the Tea Party anyway? Good folks diluted by the Demopublican party with the help of some CIA insiders. Like many before them.

And don't bitch with the red arrows.

Say something new and actionable and don't be defensive and speak about hypocrisy and shit. You're in the Fight Club for Christ sake.



Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:30 | 4652603 First There Is ...
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You really are one stupid motherfucker......

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:24 | 4652368 Ifigenia
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ALL members of the Congress vote in support of the unelected Facist Ukrainian government . So, why single out the tea planters?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:24 | 4651498 Leaping Lizard
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There are two Tea Parties.  The first was composed of Libertarians.  The second was co-opted by the Koch(sucker) Bros. and is ziocon.  What's in a name.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:26 | 4651501 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Okay... so which ones are which in Congress?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:22 | 4651597 HardlyZero
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Gaius we both know it takes adults to figure out the truth, and the children just get confused.

There will be many topics that can confuse many who don't follow these topics routinely.

We live in interesting times.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:38 | 4651637 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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As ignorant and naive as children are, they're still fun to play with AND teach.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:07 | 4651706 HardlyZero
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I hope we get out of here alive.   Not a comment, just a hope we can learn and get better going forward.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:01 | 4651438 Latina Lover
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Just in case the fat lazy americans can lift themselves off the couch to push back, there are 2.2 billion department of homeland security hollowpoint bullets looking for target practice. 

And I bet you you thought the only purpose of homeland security was to give you a free genital inspection.... sarc off/

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:08 | 4651723 Anusocracy
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Don't think that is going to happen.

The rest of the world is watching and any kind of massacre would be the downfall of US gov.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:52 | 4652087 RafterManFMJ
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Well Double L, it's a funny thing... Soft targets pretty much immediately turn into hard targets after the shooting begins.

Checkpoints are so well lit, they beg for a long range visit by UFL from long guns.

People know and people talk about who works for what agency and where they live...and Amurikans love to chat, gossip, and can easily be bought.

The cowards that act as enforcers are in fact gossamer tigers who will not even leave their hovels should shit get real. The real challenge would be burning them out of their hideouts and homes, in a sort of reverse Waco.

There will be no mercy, should shit get real, and those that argue that the slaver enforcer class should get mercy will themselves be dealt with. And justifiably so.

I tip my hat to the sociopaths that feed on Amurika like Vampires; they have the balls and the brains to consume the lives of the fat functional retard that is the average Amurikan.

I have absolutely no pity for the creatures, the toadies that oppress their fellow slaves for a ribbon on their uniform, for a perk or a paycheck. The only response to such filth is extermination should shit get real.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:19 | 4651593 billhilly
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Yes you are right Soul Glow, there are many fat/lazy Americans but you gotta hand it to some of them for getting off their asses and fighting back against the BLM in Nevada.  You can push folks only so far and I think the awakening is finally stirring. 

A 'First Amendment Zone" pitiful and sad.  The gaul of the .GOV is stretched beyond reason and reasonable people can see it clearly now.  Lots of tinder being laid by the goobs and our "fat/lazy", gun toting, freedom loving bretheren just love to start bonfires.

Time to take a stand friends....the world over.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:49 | 4651670 Omen IV
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The Irony is delicious!!

"Russia has formally warned that any crackdown on protesters is "unacceptable" (the same request  of the EU) threatening retaliation should the promised use of special forces be implemented"

The elimination of weapons and retaliation on Maidan Square was a SPECIFIC request of the EU to  President Yanukovych which disarmed the Cops and enabled Nudland to carry out the assassinations - of 72 people without reaction of fire from the cops

Karma is 360"


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:11 | 4651732 Anusocracy
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A few dead bodies and the game is on.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:12 | 4651287 graneros
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I wouldn't worry too much about MH 370.  We undoubtedly will be seeing it all too soon. Sans passengers of course.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:43 | 4651382 Oh regional Indian
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I read about that too. A second identical plane in Israel, sans markings.

All very murky. The money being spent on 370 is mind boggling. 


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:29 | 4651504 Headbanger
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Cause China desperately wants to find it and a reason for them to say they're under attack by terrorists now too and invade who ever THEY are.

Sound familiar??  Wonder who they could have gotten that idea from?

And the rest of the world governments know it too so they're trying to get those orange black boxes first to cover up any evidence of terrorism against China especially.

Get it?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:19 | 4652144 Aussie V
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China find MH300!!!! Are you kiddin??? The official Chinese delegation sent out here (Oz) to find the plane landed at the wrong airport!!!


Seriously, it was reported in Oz news. The Chinese Pilots got the airports mixed up. It's Australia for Gods sake! We only have a handul of airports other than the US bases airports which number in the hundreds!!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:31 | 4651506 Leaping Lizard
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Very strange,  Why didn't they just take one of their drone chemtrailers off duty fucking up our air, bodies, and crops to do whatever MH370 is planned to do?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:40 | 4651523 fockewulf190
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I´m waiting for the ultimate false flag to be announced: disclose the alien presence, blame the Greys for swiping the jet, kick the printing presses and the military industrial complex into maximum overdrive, wave flags, tie ribbons around trees, and call for a united Earth, and have the MSM break out Independance Day again for shits and giggles.

I mean c´mon, the world is so fucking bizzaro right now, nothing would surprise me anymore.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:46 | 4651536 Oh regional Indian
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Don't forget the sheeple candle light masses on street corners. Got to have those now-a-days.

For the light-bringer you know ;-)


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:51 | 4651676 Hulk
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My Wife's an alien and let me tell you guys, you are just going to love those 14 finger massages !!!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:28 | 4652792 Kirk2NCC1701
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It's the One-Finger massages that make Kirk nervous.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:52 | 4651681 Berspankme
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Shelter in place

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:38 | 4653115 StychoKiller
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Well, I'm safe, I got at least two pair of scissors!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:09 | 4651963 _ConanTheLibert...
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Truth is stranger than fiction huh.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:36 | 4653113 StychoKiller
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"Don't run, we are your friends!" -- "Mars Attacks"

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:34 | 4651631 dbTX
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graneros    I'm beginning to believe you are correct, perhaps on anniversary of UBL death.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 04:58 | 4653416 chindit13
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Jeez, so this (judging by your Green-Red score) is a view championed by many around here?  Well, can someone please explain why---if this plane is earmarked for some "false flag" operation---THEY just had to have this particular 777.  No other 777s are available anywhere?  They couldn't take one---quietly and without the CNN 24/7 coverage keeping A MISSING 777 on everyone's mind---that's undergoing maintainance somewhere and just slip it out of the hangar without having to deal with seat selection and bad meals?  And no other type of commercial aircraft could have worked in its stead?  Do THEY not know about the Boneyard just north of Tucson?


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:16 | 4651299 john39
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>>which is the distraction

why not add a third variable... another alleged gas attack in Syria today:

The main Western-backed opposition group, the Syrian National Coalition, said the poison gas attack Friday hurt dozens of people in the village of Kfar Zeita in the central province of Hama. It did not say what type of gas was used.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that people suffered from suffocation and breathing problems after the attack, apparently conducted during air raids that left heavy smoke over the area. It gave no further details.

State-run Syrian television blamed members of the al-Qaida-linked Nusra Front for using chlorine gas at Kfar Zeita, killing two people and injuring more than 100.

The TV report claimed the Nusra Front is preparing for another chemical attack against the Wadi Deif area in the northern province of Idlib, as well as another area in Hama. It did not explain how it knew the Nusra Front's plans.

Activists in the village could not be reached Saturday.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:26 | 4651334 SpanishGoop
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 It did not say what type of gas was used.


I am pretty sure i wasn't nitrous oxide.


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:43 | 4651373 trembo slice
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They bombed us with laughing gas, and productivity has plummeted due to the uncontrollable laughter, hallucinations, and sound vibration.  They're making prisoners attend music festivals across the country.

Seriously though, All I read was that it involved industrial chemicals as opposed to chemical agents specifically designed for weapons.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:11 | 4651581 IridiumRebel
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Chlorine gas....supposedly.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:40 | 4653117 StychoKiller
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Guess they refuse to admit that "That dog don't hunt!"

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:19 | 4651311 magpie
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The East Side is casting for the proper Braddock(s) in this MIA / Mission Impossiburu movie.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:35 | 4651329 Millivanilli
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Putin went to the sean connery school of men.


Barry, not so much.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:41 | 4651375 Soul Glow
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ORI, life is smooth.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:46 | 4651390 Oh regional Indian
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Indeed Soul Glow. It definitely IS a state of mind...

Some might say mined, but that's okay 2...or knot.


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:51 | 4651403 Soul Glow
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My chiropracters refer to the spine as "mind".

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:01 | 4651437 Oh regional Indian
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Wise and true...heart mind too....

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:03 | 4651443 Soul Glow
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Chakras shocking the shit.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:42 | 4651380 Skateboarder
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Right, ORI. I hear people say "it's scary, in this day and age, that a flight goes missing." I say, total bullshit. With cameras on every street corner, street lights and buses and trains and planes with microphones, eternal electronic surveillance, you really a think a full plane goes missing and never turns up?

They'll make an "Unsolved Mysteries" episode on this in the next year. Maybe a motherfucking movie, like ner0 dark dirty, or cunts of balls st.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:48 | 4651398 Oh regional Indian
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Truely Troubling Truthlessness there Skateboarder.

Something stinks so badly here, what with cell phones working, GPS trackings, mysterious messages, babes int he cockpit, pings, dings, semiconductors, DARPA, ROckeferller or Rothschield, BlackRock, Diego Garcia, DUMBS, SHEEPS....


The show has gone full retard...


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:21 | 4651490 Cupid Stunt
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ORI & Skate hit it on the using  Australia our "first world partner" to put the "fix in"............... ping...........

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:37 | 4651513 Oh regional Indian
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High weirdness around this 370 thing AND Oz, with all that monitoring capability and US military presence there.


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:41 | 4651527 magpie
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If people like their freescale, they will get their freescale.

btw i am a nazis nazi, and have people on four continents stopping me from unleashing my animal spirits.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:08 | 4651577 Skateboarder
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It's all a function of acceptance and embracement of empire. As dysfunctionality reigns, more people should question why things have happened the way they have. The ability and willingness to question is suppressed by a good many means which are already employed: drugs, poisons added to food and water, personalized circii (plural of circus, of course), and centralized dissemination of information, to name a few.

Every man and woman and child must ask these questions, and seek to find one's own answers:

- Why do we live?
- What do we live for?
- What is work?
- Why do we work?
- What do we work for and towards?
- What is good work, and what is bad work?
- What is a job?
- What is the difference between having a job and doing work?

The closer one gets to having answers to all of these questions, the closer one is to rejecting jobs and centralization (death) and embracing work and decentralization (life).

Unless and until enough people have cohesive answers, order cannot be summoned out of chaos.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:31 | 4651623 Oh regional Indian
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Well said SB, as with-in, so with-out....

I say UN-PER-FORMance is the answer!

Be a righteous AND a lefteous rebel without a pause...with-in.

The outside takes care of itself. Very strange how that works. I have mind-tripping examples happening all around me...



Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:32 | 4651626 dracos_ghost
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Or downright self-centered apathy:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me." -- Martin Niemöller


We can probably substitute various nouns in that little diddy, but the sentiment is the same. No one gives a shit until it affects THEM and usually it is too late.

A little off topic but last I looked Eastern Ukraine(Donestk ain't Crimea) hadn't seceded -- yet. I think under the same logic that we tell the West to butt out, Putin needs to STFU. This site seems a little pollyanna when it comes to Putin. Just because Obamateur et al are d-Bags doesn't mean Putin isn't one too. A lot of little kids and innocents are going to die because of a handful of sociopathic narcissists led by Obama/Putin stoking the flames of a civil war.



Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:45 | 4651658 Element
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You forgot this one:

Why should a universe exist given it doesn't have to?

After all, there could have been nothing and it wouldn't have mattered, but it's here anyway.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:06 | 4651718 Skateboarder
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That is a question to which a definite answer exists for all thought creatures. This is mine:

States of truth lie in the continuous range from 0 to 1, with 0 representing 'false' and 1 representing 'true.'

Probability of event X is always a state of truth, i.e. probability uses the notion of truth to express a computed answer.

Universes can not exist at all, fully exist, or exist somewhat in between those two extremes. Binary notions do not fully encompass the magnitude of possibility, i.e. truth.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:23 | 4651999 Element
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You mean a spectrum of truth, which can also equally be viewed as a spectrum of false, simultaneously, as a mixture, at wherever X is.

That's not too bad SB. 

btw, you just said by implication that the universe is not digital, which is contrary to conventional quantum mech interpretations.

I happen to completely agree.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:08 | 4652132 ThirdWorldDude
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+1 to you both for the Schrödinger Universe dialogue...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:50 | 4652460 xiphius
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So if I follow your thinking, one can conclude that the existence of "a" universe is a logical necessity?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:44 | 4653126 StychoKiller
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WHO is asking the question?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 02:52 | 4653337 Element
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We have a winner!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:50 | 4652463 shovelhead
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I think the answer to that question falls under the 'Shit Happens' file.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:59 | 4651697 mummster
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Well said!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:59 | 4651698 mummster
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Well said!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:02 | 4651940 SWRichmond
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that's easy:

a job is shoveling resources into somebody else's pile

work is shoveling resources into your own file

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:02 | 4652116 IndyPat
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Oh, that's an easy question group of questions to answer...

Work makes you free. Dontchaknow.

Or, you'll work for free until you can't work anymore...then off you go for a nice relaxing shower or some such thing.

Arbeit macht frei, and whatnot.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:18 | 4652156 Flagit
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- Why do we live?


its not soo cut and dry, but i like to direct people to this and ponder the smallness of life.

Futurama: Season 4, Episode 8 Godfellas (17 Mar. 2002)

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:10 | 4651727 GooseShtepping Moron
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Skateboarder and ORI,

What 370 really goes to show is that the so-called Police State and Total Electronic Surveillance are nowhere near as effective as many people imagine, not against a determined adversary. With a little bit of knowledge and a lot of chutzpah, you can outwit the pings, the dings, the GPS and all the other gadgetry implemented to keep the great civilizational machine running. Even more so when the generations in charge have never known anything but the gadgets and take them for granted, when basic scientific knowledge and common sense no longer govern their actions, but only the readouts on their indicators. When nobody remembers how the machine was built or why, it is easy to circumvent and is ready to fall. You just have to employ the "dangerous knowledge" that other people refuse acquire.

In fact, the 370 incident is no more complicated than it appears. The same can be said for 9-11, but the spirit of 9-11 Trutherism, while fundamentally correct in its distrust of the lawles authority in Washington, would rather believe that the government is hyper-competent and oppressive than take courage from what is, in fact, a massive and public display of its incompetence. Some people simply refuse to be encouraged by reality, yet these are the very same people who are quick to point out what a ship of fools the government is whenever it makes its frequent and inevitable blunders in other areas.

A question to 9-11 Truthers: Do you not see that it was just another blunder?- Not a false flag, not an orchestrated act, not an insurance scam, but a systematic loss of control at many levels?- That it really belongs to the same order of things as the loss of Varus' legions?

There are those who believe the Police State is just now gearing up when in reality it is already fading away. We passed through "Peak Police State" in the early to mid '90s and many of us never even noticed. The failure of American authority is now present all around us; but for some reason, those who should be more aware of this than the average man, those who gleefully contrast themselves with the "sheeple" who aren't privy to their libertarian gnosis, are even now raising the cry that the danger of oppression is more acute than ever. This danger being posed by a government that can't even get a website to work.

I think it's about time we realized the the United states is a paper tiger. It's time to take advantage of the weakness and not to keep buoying up the government with the hot air of imaginary strength.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:10 | 4652138 IndyPat
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I think you just wrote a long definition for PsyOps.

Funny how effective it is at many levels.

Interesting also is that its fairly cheap and easy to employ,..and the more you have to use it, the more desperate and weak you appear.

Yet some folks just lap it up.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:11 | 4652139 IndyPat
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Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:31 | 4652611 Ifigenia
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Varus' legions was destroyed by those barbaric germans just like the British empire and now will history repeat?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 05:27 | 4653436 chindit13
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I have no doubt the powers that be would like to be as omnipotent as the seemingly confused vocal membership here portrays them to be.  Failing that, the PTB would probably be somewhat content just to have people believe the PTB is omnipotent, even if they know themselves not to be. When stuff such as the Obamacare website come along, it must present people here with a great deal of cognitive dissonance, as they laugh at the bumbling incompetence of those they other times hold up as gods.

My view, which I note periodically, is that most people seem to need a god, and they'll take a malevolent one if none other is available, because without gods all is random, and no deal can be made with randomness.  Thus, if one can make a deal with the malevolent, or better yet overthrow them, all will be well.

Anyone who has actually been a part of the elite, whether that means wealth or power, knows the truth.  There are no omnipotents.  Competence is relative, not absolute.  And nobody is anywhere near as good as one would have to be to pull off all of the things people here attribute to the PTB.  Not even close.  That can be both comforting (nobody is really in control, so relax) and disconcerting (nobody is really in control, so worry).

Your post is a bit of fresh air, which is to say it would make most of the vocal membership here cough.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:17 | 4651764 Snidley Whipsnae
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Skateboarder... 84 cameras were viewing the portion of the pentagon where the 'object' struck on 9/11... yet we have yet to see a video view of the collision showing a plane or any other object hitting the pentagon... 

A couple of days ago we had great satellite photos of Russian vehicles said to be near Ukranian border... but no sat photos of mh370 while it was missing for hours?

DC needs to hire some professional Hollywood producers, directors and writers if it's to continue msm fictions.


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:38 | 4652637 StupidEarthlings
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86 cameras.



Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:47 | 4653130 StychoKiller
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What makes you think that Hollywood is NOT already involved?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:56 | 4652483 BlindMonkey
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"street lights and buses and trains and planes with microphones, eternal electronic surveillance,"

I had a small part in a project to install 11 HD cameras on each metro bus. Every passenger on and off is recorded. It is stored centrally, facial recognition applied, and human movements are tracked.

The nightmare is real.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:09 | 4651273 A_Nejad
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Udacha Ukraina, gonna need it.  Let it roll, be as it be...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:07 | 4651274 SmilinJoeFizzion
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Vlad, is that an ICBM in your pocket or are you just happy .....

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:07 | 4651275 ShortTheUS
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Analyst quoted by Bloomberg:

“This is the most dangerous place now,” Vadym Grechanynov, President of the Atlantic Council of Ukraine, said by phone today. Russia “will try to provoke Ukraine in any possible way. I’m sure Russia won’t leave Ukraine alone.”

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:16 | 4651302 CrashisOptimistic
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Electricity and gas lines to Crimea do need southeast Ukraine to be Russian.

OTOH for Ukraine as a whole, their electric power is nat gas generated, but they consume more than they generate.  The remainder needed?  Yup, comes from the Russian grid.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:11 | 4651279 ebworthen
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Roll the tanks Vlad!

It would be nice to see something happen, and see that little tart Yatsenyuk run out on a rail by Spetsnaz.  Enough with the talk already.

$1 Billion U.S. taxpayer dollars to neo-Nazi's in Kiev?

Fuck you John McCain, Kerry, U.S. .gov, and the EU.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:57 | 4651427 Infinite QE
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All those you name are just water carriers for the zionists. What needs to happen is that Snowden and Putin need to release to the world audio and transcripts of the Rothschild Soros types who set this up, organize a new militia to hunt them down, strip them of all their assets and convene a new war crimes tribunal and purge this scum from the earth once and for all.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:40 | 4651521 Leaping Lizard
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True, and let us not forget that George W and Kerry were both Brothers in Satan at Skull and Bones at Yale.  Probably pissed on each other in the coffins during their rituals.  What are the odds statisticians of the presidential candidates candidates of the two "major parties?"

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:16 | 4652151 IndyPat
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I'll take the "Over/Under for Skull and Bones versus Scroll and Key" for 500, Alex.....

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:09 | 4651283 Quinvarius
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Goldman definately said this was all over a few weeks ago.   

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:10 | 4651285 DeliciousSteak
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Meh. As long as NATO gets to absorb western Ukraine it's mission accomplished. Then it acts nicely as a buffer for Poland.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:24 | 4651320 HardlyZero
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Wishful.  Russia will handle the contracts since it looks like a package deal.   The only question is how/will/if Russia services the Ukr debts or just make the debts null and void.   This is sad but a fact of life for the Ukraine population.

Will any Ukr move once the takeover ?  Is there a EU decision to 'take in' the exodus ?

It is a putsch.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:45 | 4651385 Winston Churchill
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Look at a map FFS. There is a reason why Ukraines western border is where it is.

There is NOTHING that geogaphically defines eastern from western Ukraine.

NATO will only get western Ukraine over 140 m Russian bodies. plus billions elsewhere.

Thats why this neocon play is so stupid and dangerous.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:54 | 4651418 Lin S
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What happens if the Poles decide they want eastern Poland circa 1939, returned? 

Lvov was a Polish city before it was Ukrainian.  Modern Ukraine is a fiction.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:21 | 4651491 Wolferl
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The Poles can have it. Of course they have to return Silesia and Danzig to Germany in that case.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:59 | 4652500 BlindMonkey
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Danzig the singer? The music is OK but nothing to start a global war over.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:40 | 4651525 mc225
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--There is NOTHING that geogaphically defines eastern from western Ukraine.--


dniepr river?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:19 | 4652537 Ifigenia
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"As long as NATO gets to absorb western Ukraine it's mission accomplished. Then it acts nicely as a buffer for Poland."

Mission accomplish is G-20 allowing the 2010 reform to extend to December. And introduce Ukraine as a urgent topic in G-20 meeting, just like Syria crisis in Petersburg G-20 or Meteorite strike in Siberia during G-20 finance ministers meeting in Moscow.. A


And perhaps MH370 would appear in Brisbane in November, if not, perhaps another big crisis or war instigated by the empire.

How many innocent peoples are already killed due to G-20 meetings? Just in Syria, more than a hundred thousand. .

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:12 | 4651291 chunga
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Way the fuck off topic but it sounds like BLM is pulling out of the Bundy situation.

For how long who knows?

Live stream from Nevada.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:22 | 4651315 Son of Captain Nemo
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I hate to say this... Part of me hopes the BLM does something foolishly crazy in the Bundy situation.

The more pressure we exercise here at home, the less likely other confrontations and more occupations everywhere else our smelly big feeloading ass just happens to be on the rest of the planet will occur!

If the Bundy's are the first casualty in getting things started -So be it!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:26 | 4651339 Yardfarmer
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the BLM has decided to withdraw.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:33 | 4651363 Son of Captain Nemo
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What is happening in Nevada... fast rewind to September 11, 2001 should have brought a few million Americans to D.C. with sleeping bags by now!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:48 | 4651397 chunga
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Somewhere in a comment section of a story about the Bundy Ranch I read that in WA state there was some govt noise about putting meters on private wells. I don't have any links to support this notion; but the theme of it was if you don't have mineral rights to your property you have to pay a tax for the water from your own well.

So my tin-foil hat takeaway is big-bro sending a message to those who think they can escape their long filthy arm by living out in the middle of nowhere have got another thing coming. I know what you're saying above, but I'm glad they didn't get shot to ribbons by the fed goons...although I'm sure this isn't over.

I hope the Bundy supporters on scene stick around. The Harry Reid/BLM ties don't come as a surprise and these jerks aren't very trustworty.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:58 | 4651428 Son of Captain Nemo
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Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:26 | 4651609 graneros
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You are absolutely correct.  With today's technology you simply can't get away.  By most folks standards I live "out there." But my house which has a designated wilderness area for a backyard is on a small private dirt road, connected to a gravel county road, connected to a blacktop county road, connected to a 2 lane state hwy, which connects to a Federal Interstate Highway. You, me, the uniformed thugs, or anybody with an internet connection can look right down at my house (or anyones for that matter) via google maps anytime of the day or night in the comfort of their home or office. It's the thugs with with their hands on a drone joystick that concern me the most.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:22 | 4652163 IndyPat
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Agenda fucking 21, my brother.

In some places, rain barrel collection is illegal.

Fucking assholes think they own the rain.

Fuck them with fish heads.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:44 | 4652661 Ifigenia
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BLM just as any mafia, could not show their weak hand, if not they would lose their authority and respect, so, i am almost certain they will pick another oportunity to go at it again.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:46 | 4651383 Ignatius
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The BLM has withdrawn and left a giant wooden tortoise as a token of respect to the courageous defenders of the Bundy ranch.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:49 | 4651399 Winston Churchill
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Maybe they are going to nuke it from space, just to make sure.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:52 | 4651407 Infinite QE
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Ha! Those pink panties BLM goons can only fight against unarmed old ladies and children. When faced with rightly fed up well armed, well trained real Americans they go home and beat their wives. Adios goons. Your faces and names are being added to an Anonymous database for when the day comes......

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:25 | 4651497 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Your faces and names are being added to an Anonymous database for when the day comes......"

What a fine idea that is? 

Now all we need is "white hats" and soon-to-be or already disaffected "black hats" that lost there .gov jobs because they weren't loyal enough and well... because their paymaster just doesn't have the means to pay them anymore... because they are... well ya know... bankrupt and all... to build a data archive repository to all the videos out their of cops both local, state and federal that have been caught on camera since the technology came into play violating your rights to the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th...  I think this is a great monied project to employ potentially thousands of American IT workers out of work along with disaffected American millionaires who are either thinking about leaving or have already left the Country but wish to get even for what the Government has done to them! 

Why do you think TOP has become such a popular instrument for both State and the Federal government to put instant liens on citizens with their bank accounts?  In addition to the theft of land from the BLM on ranchers who have been paying taxes to both the State and Federal Government for more than 100 years, you really need to check out the Hoover upright that is the U.S. Treasury's Bureau of Fiscal Services Bureau of Public Debt (BPD) and ask why they closed there site down for more than 18 hours to "administer changes" yesterday to put new guidelines and provisions in that charter to make money collection easier and faster for both the big as well as the small taxpayer!

It's simply just lower the bar and continue to break down the barriers between the State and Federal government to bleed the taxpayer even more!


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:25 | 4652172 IndyPat
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I think the folks at Reddit could do what you just outlined over a weekend, given enough Redbull.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:01 | 4651568 IridiumRebel
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Yardfarmer! I need new words! We need a vocab-explosion from you.
Today's word: Arctoid.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:17 | 4651481 Uncle Remus
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Now the Feds have an idea as to how the enemies of the state will respond.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:22 | 4651292 Son of Captain Nemo
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Report of shooting at Kramatorsk...

Wouldn't be one of these guys now would it?


Our people at the DoS would never be so stupid as to lie about something like that now... Would they?

Somebody quicly provide the photoshop picture of the guy with his head up his own ass as a reply here... Please!

Provide your own caption!!!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:34 | 4652193 IndyPat
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Holy Bat shit, Nemo! If that is truly what I'm seeing this is a whole lot bigger and a whole lot dumber than I thought.

I wouldn't give a squirt of piss for that guy if he truly was drawing a paycheck from some US rent-a-goon outfit.

If he is, he's sitting somewhere with his nuts nailed to a chair.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:10 | 4652323 Flagit
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Our people at the DoS would never be so stupid as to lie about something like that now... Would they?


thats been covered many times now. heres one.


Ukrainian Leadership to Hire US Mercenaries to Suppress Eastern Regions
Voice of Russia

(March 25, 2014) -- Private military company will be in charge of suppressing protest movements in Eastern Ukraine, said a source in the country's Security Service. According to him, the name of the company is Greystone Limited.

According to a source cited by ITAR-TASS, Ukrainian authorities believe that the Security Service is not able to suppress the protest mood and neutralize the leaders and activists of the pro-Russian movement in the eastern regions. In particular, the source said, the acting president Alexander Turchinov shares this opinion. "Therefore it was decided to attract foreign mercenaries, who will serve as political police and state security protection," said the representative of the Security Service.

He informed that the initiative to attract mercenaries belongs to oligarchs Igor Kolomoisky and Sergei Taruta, appointed governors of Dnepropetrovsk and Donetsk regions.

Not so long ago, during a meeting with Turchinov, a plan to stop the protest movements in the eastern regions was discussed. Kolomoysky noted: "Why reinvent the wheel if there are real people who understand how and how much to pay," said the source.

According to publicly available information Greystone Limited is a structural part of Blackwater, that was later renamed into Academi. According to military experts, the company is associated with the CIA and the US Defense Department.

Its employees participated in the war in Afghanistan after the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime in 2003, the company has appeared in Iraq and became involved in training the new Iraqi armed forces and police, as well as support of the occupation forces.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:38 | 4652418 IndyPat
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If you're going to list their resume, make it complete.

It's also interesting as to why they have been changing their name every three months or so.
Blackwater--> Xi ---> Academi--> who knows what's next

After every crime and massacre...a new name and logo.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:17 | 4651296 HardlyZero
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Tylers, where is Odessa on the map ?  Isn't that Southwest Ukraine ?

Odessa is the most significant location on the Facebook.

If Ukraine becomes 'landlocked' then that will be extremely important for the rest of Ukraine.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:34 | 4651327 CrashisOptimistic
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Ukraine's westernmost border is a great deal west of Odessa.

Call it south Ukraine, neither southeast nor southwest.

But you're right.  Major port.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:28 | 4651341 sessinpo
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 HardlyZero        Tylers, where is Odessa on the map ?  Isn't that Southwest Ukraine ?


Are you really to lazy to look it up yourself? Don't tell me you don't have access to the internet.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:14 | 4651451 HardlyZero
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It might be significant if others understood how militarily important Odessa was a prod to the Tylers.

Been computin' since 1974, since 3rd grade.  Sent my first e-mail (on Unix) in 1981, so yes, I can Google.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:15 | 4651473 ebworthen
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Russia won't let Odessa go; if they can landlock Ukraine (if they don't just retake it altogether) they wouldn't have to bother with a Ukranian "navy".,30.9425004,7z

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:28 | 4651610 HardlyZero
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Agree.  I believe Odessa is the tipping point if the West gets involved militarily.

How many destroyers are in the Black Sea (one so far ?)

It takes like a week to move any through the Bosporus ?

Weapons are difficult to get on the water in the Black Sea, and fixed-wing fighter aircraft nearly impossible.

Helicopers-yes, jets-no....unless from neighboring NATO country.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:10 | 4651726 ebworthen
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NATO and the West aren't going to do anything.

They'll put planes and missile batteries on the bordering nations and bluster, but they won't move into Ukraine. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:28 | 4652793 BlindMonkey
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Thereby demonstrating, once again, their security guarantees aren't worth the paper used to wipe asses in the lobby of the ballroom they agreement was signed in.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:00 | 4652887 HardlyZero
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Back then they were just trying to get the nukes away from Ukraine (1994) and the conventional weapons (2005)...and now Ukraine is completely defenseless.

Going forward, worldwide, there will only be 'best' shitty deals.

Fiat collapse is immenent...and the banksters and CBs are fully aware (and possibly sentient).

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:37 | 4651317 SmilinJoeFizzion
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Kiev-Come for the chicken, stay for the light show

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:13 | 4651467 Uncle Remus
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Oooo. An air show too?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:38 | 4652210 IndyPat
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That's some funny shit right there.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:22 | 4651318 q99x2
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See Texas you can be the little engine that could too.

Long live Custer.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:31 | 4651351 A_Nejad
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Italy first..the way streets are burning downtown Rome right now...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 13:31 | 4651350 ross81
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last 24 hours things have really begun heating up.....civil war I think is a certainty now and I think the Russian public will demand intervention to protect their brethren across the border from being slaughtered by Ukrainian & foreign death squads.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:23 | 4651598 The Deacon
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"I think the Russian public will demand intervention to protect their brethren across the border from being slaughtered by Ukrainian & foreign death squads."


Where is your <SARC> tag?


Sorry, wait.  I have no doubt the Russian people live in fear of 'All the Nazis in Ukraine'....becuase they have been told they are there. And I certainly concede some of the backers and $ come from those whose intentions are diametrically opposed to Putin and Russian interests.


But to think that the average Ukrainian caught in the middle of all this is anything more than a schlep hoping for a better life is misguided.


I fear things will end up 'just as well' for the average ukrainian citizen as they did for the average Joes in Egypt, Syria, Libya,......


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:04 | 4651622 HardlyZero
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West Germany 'took one' for East Germany 20 years ago.

Now Russia will 'take one' for Ukraine...Russia will be their Sugar Daddy and clear up all those nasty debts.

Very sad, Ukraine had 20 years to 'get good' and run their country, but there were too many external influences, Ukr denuded, and then the debts...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:32 | 4652813 BlindMonkey
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Debt repudiation. That is how the Russians roll. Painful in the short term as spending becomes what you can tax rather than what you can borrow. It is the right long term strategy.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:45 | 4652229 IndyPat
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I think we are about to see how fast a Ukrainian soldier can change his underwear, clean up with whatever passes for a Wet One in that locale, then change his uniform. To a spankin' new Russian one. Bet they still remember the songs and marches and whatnot...

I'm guessing about 2 seconds...and with a nice crease in the trousers.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:33 | 4652615 HardlyZero
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Thank you, it is actually the best shitty deal these days.

Dismal but honest.

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