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"Shadows Of March 2000" - Goldman On The Great Momo Crash Of 2014

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Behold the great momo basket which after being the source of so much joy for momentum chasers over the past year, has mutated into the source of so much sorrow over the past two weeks.

 

We have bad news for hedge funds who, like Hugh Hendry in December of last year, threw fundamentals and caution to the wind and, with great reservations, jumped into this momo bandwagon in which mere buying beget more buying until nobody knew why anyone bought in the first place... and then everything crashed, leading to the worst day for hedge funds in a decade: according to Goldman's David Kostin, whose job is to be a cheerleader for the intangible "wealth effect" leading to all too tangible Goldman bonuses: "The stock market will likely recover during the next few months... but not momentum stocks."

Behold the (not so) great Momo crash of 2014:

 

First the bad news: according to Goldman not only will the momo stocks not rebound to previous highs and resume their leadership role, but clients increasingly are wondering if this is the second coming of the dot com bubble burst.

Conversations we are having with clients: Momentum reversal and the shadow of 2000

 

Our client discussions this week focused on two topics: Momentum reversal and comparisons between today and March 2000. Two questions dominated: “When will the reversal end?” and “Will the sell-off in momentum stocks drive a market-wide price decline as occurred in 2000?”

 

During the past month, momentum has plunged by 7%, a 10th percentile ranking of all monthly momentum returns since 1980. We define “momentum” as the relative performance of the best vs. worst performing S&P 500 stocks during the prior 12 months. We identified 46 similar distinct 10th percentile “drawdowns” with an average one-month return of -8% and a cumulative -10% return during six months.

 

Historical experience suggests the S&P 500, but not momentum, will likely recover during the next few months. Following the drawdowns, S&P 500 posted a 6-month return averaging +5% and delivered a positive return 70% of the time. Momentum declined by a further 4% on average, and 60% of the time the stocks posted a negative return.

 

Analysis of historical trading patterns around momentum drawdowns shows: (a) roughly 70% of the reversal is behind us following a 7% unwind during the last month; (b) an additional 3% downside exists to the momentum reversal during the next three months if the current episode follows the average historical experience; (c) if the pattern followed the path of a 25th percentile event a further 7% momentum downside would occur, or about double the reversal that has taken place so far; and (d) whenever the drawdown ends, momentum typically does NOT resume leadership. The best performing stocks during the 12 months leading up to the start of the drawdown do not subsequently outperform (see Exhibit 2).

So what are the good news? Well, Goldman is bullish on the non-MOMO stocks, which it sees as rising during the next 6 months by, if history is any precedent, 5%. Of course, the market merely regaining its all time highs by October will hardly please the investor community which is used to 20%+ return year after year. After all someone must benefit from the Fed's ludicrous actions.

S&P 500 Index performance during 46 momentum reversals since 1980 suggests the broad market will likely rise steadily during the next six months by an average of 5%. Based on a current S&P 500 index level of 1815, a 5% rise would lift the index to just above 1900 which is our year-end 2014 forecast. A 25th percentile trajectory implies a flat equity market during the next six months while tracking at the 75th percentile would see S&P 500 climb by 15% to 2090 by the end of 3Q (see Exhibit 3).

But most interesting is Goldman's attempt to deny that this is the second coming of March 2000:

One historical momentum drawdown has come up repeatedly in recent conversations with clients: March 2000. The current sell-off in high growth and high valuation stocks, with a concentration in technology subsectors, has some similarities to the popping of the tech bubble in 2000.

 

Veteran investors will recall S&P 500 and tech-heavy Nasdaq peaked in March 2000. The indices eventually fell by 50% and 75%, respectively. It took the S&P 500 seven years to recover and establish a new high but Nasdaq still remains 25% below its all-time peak reached 14 years ago.

 

We believe the differences between 2000 and today are more important than the similarities and the recent momentum drawdown is unlikely to
precipitate a more extensive fall in share prices:

  • Recent returns are less dramatic. Although the trailing 12-month returns are similar (22% today versus 18% in 2000), the trailing 3-year and 5-year returns are much lower (51% vs. 107% and 161% vs. 227%, respectively).
  • Valuation is not nearly as stretched. S&P 500 currently trades at a forward P/E of 16x compared with 25x at the peak in 2000. The price/book ratio is 2.7x versus 6.Xx. The EV/sales is currently 1.8x compared with 2.7x in 2000.
  • More balanced market. The reason it is called the “Tech Bubble” is that 14% of the earnings of the S&P 500 came from Tech in 2000 but it accounted for 33% of the equity cap of the index. Today Tech contributes 19% of both earnings and market cap. Top five stocks in 2000 were 18% vs. 11% today.
  • Earnings growth expectations are far less aggressive. Bottom-up 2014 consensus EPS growth currently equals 9%, close to our top-down forecast of 8%. In 2000, consensus expected EPS growth equaled 17%.
  • Interest rates are dramatically lower. 3-month Treasury yields were 5.9% in 2000 vs. 0.05% today while ten-year yields were 6.0% vs. 2.7% today. The yield curve was inverted by 47 bp. Today the slope equals +229 bp.
  • Less new issuance. During 1Q 2000, 115 IPOs were completed for proceeds of $18 billion. In 1Q 2014, 63 completed deals raised $11 billion.

All great points, yet one thing is conspicuously missing and perhaps Goldman can clarify:

  • how much debt as a percentage of global GDP was held by the world's major central banks then and now, and
  • how much consolidated global leverage, including shadow banking in both the US and China, as well as how many hundreds of trillions of derivatives notional outstanding existed then... and now

Because one can just as easily make the case that as the global financial house of cards, teetering since the great financial crisis of 2008, and upright only thanks to the explicit "wealth effect" support of the final backstop - the world's money printers - any protracted downward move which implicitly crushes the faith in the monetary religion, and crushes the uber-leveraged smart money community, will make the "drawdown" in both momo and S&P500 stocks in March 2000 seem like a pleasant walk in the part compared to what may be coming.

 

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Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:46 | 4651537 SmilinJoeFizzion
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I pity the idiot who went long nflx @ $450

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:00 | 4651566 TruthInSunshine
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Stocks are overvalued by 25% to 3,000% and consumers are now massive debt slaves "buying" a monthly payment on cars, houses, etc., while dealing with pernicious inflation and declining real wages by leveraging up on even more debt than in 2007 (where at least structural unemployment/underemployment/understatement wasn't yet a crisis).

Get ready for the real crash.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:29 | 4651616 Oracle 911
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Especially when bubble makers are talking about over-valuation and crash. If these idiots can see it clearly it will be "really different this time" in other words worse.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:46 | 4651879 max2205
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GS just wants everyone in a Etf (spy) so it'll hurt for the broad market sell off

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:46 | 4652449 asteroids
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Are you men or are you sheep to be led to the slaughter?  After all, it is Easter.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:20 | 4655450 kliguy38
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Hugh Hendry just got double douche slapped....heheheh....when his masters get finished with him he'll be a muppet just like the rest of us beggin' on the street

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:21 | 4655715 willwork4food
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Sunshine, you're just being negative. Come over, have a beer and buy the rest of my Facebook I got @ $70.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:22 | 4655931 Buckaroo Banzai
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Don't be a homo-- SELL the momo.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 03:39 | 4656025 Squid-puppets a...
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and trade the yo-yo in the GOFO

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 06:14 | 4656129 eclectic syncretist
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Wallstreet doesn't have any BOGOs

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 06:51 | 4656156 new game
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the system of fraud and injustice is much greater than the thickness of your wallet.

all these articles fail to openly acknowledge this reality. any entity doing good is in reality

an insider with an advantage you and i don't have. big difference since 09 is that due

dilligence doesn't work. therefore i quit after 30 yrs of investing...

an "investment" is now a high risk gamble. no thanks.

penty of trades have worked, but have you left the casino?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:14 | 4655436 Silver Bug
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The next great crash is coming, perhaps it is just around the corner?

 

http://sprottmoneyblog.com/

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:58 | 4655546 prains
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it's been a giant fucking 5 year corner my friend, the crash is coming but nobody's calling it.....much like guessing the time, you're guaranteed to right twice a day but it's still NOT a call

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 02:15 | 4655974 BolanosGhost
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I'm so glad you gave me an opportunity to re-post this.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2011...

It would be interesting to see an updated version of this paper since QE4 was not included in the analysis and has recently scaled back, though I doubt the conclusions would be materially different. Credit driven markets fall off when credit expansion and monetary base expansion slow pace (doesn't even have to contract). The kicker, of course, is that there is a lag period of a somewhat indeterminable period, though it appears to be around 6-9 months.

So long as the fed doesn't step in with expanded QE as it did in 2012 with QE4eva, then this very well may be the time to call it. The recent HFT fervor and GS machinations, among other things, seems to indicate this may be the case.

A giant fucking five year corner? Not at all, but the fed sure gave some good head fakes.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 09:29 | 4656487 ATM
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Crash? Nope, we have this thing called a printer from which we can make stock prices go higher, make jobs magically appear from nowhere and create happiness and wealth from mere paper and ink.

Why would we ever have a crash? The genie is out of the bottle and it can be nothing but seashells and baloons from here on out.

 

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 03:29 | 4656019 lunaticfringe
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Fuck Sprott. Still waiting on his Dec 2014- 2100 gold call.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 05:58 | 4656121 caShOnlY
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Fuck Sprott. Still waiting on his Dec 2014- 2100 gold call.

I always laugh when I see these comments.  Everyone calling out the Sprott's, Schiff's, Sinclair's, etc. as making bad calls humors me.  It is as if you believe the FED's money printing is really manna from heaven.  Or you believe another trillion dollar stimulas will kick start this structurally defaulted nation back to the future.  I remember hearing the phrase "housing bubble" back in early 2003 and reading that it will collapse in 3 months and bring devastation.  Well it would take over 5 years from that reading for the event to take place.  This insanity is connected globally by the U.S. dollar, so it will take time to come to a head.   There is no alternative currency right now and any G20 events even entertaining the idea of "change" is stalled off by the U.S. and it's cronies.   The IMF "rebalance of votes" should have already happened but again the U.S. continues to stall.

The real currency wars have started heating up with China's 20% devalue overnight in Feb.  Next up is Japan due for another dose of Abenomics.  Japan will fall first, it is a given.  Once one U.S. crony country fails the dominoes should start to fall.   Once a crony falls into the "hole of FIAT death", going forward there is no reason for them to support the another's FIAT illusion unless they want to "recapitalize" with that currency only to fail again in the future.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 09:32 | 4656496 ATM
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Exactly. We know the what, we just do not know the when. And as I have posted on ZH many times, the ultimate unraveling could be much further in the future than most believe. Just look at the basket case that Japan is. It could have imploded years ago but money printing has unpredictable results and can stave off collapse for quite a long time...... until it can't.  

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:13 | 4655923 franciscopendergrass
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"I pity the idiot who went long nflx @ $450"

The down arrow must be pressed by one of these idiots.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 09:33 | 4656497 ATM
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Or by me who thinks the poor idiot got his just desserts.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 14:51 | 4651547 Oh regional Indian
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Man I was right there. Company had filed their red herring...Suddenly March 10th, we are acquired for $3.5 BILLION, largest ever private stock deal....worthless shit for worthlesser crap.

Sank like a stone there-after....$300 to >$2

Interestingly enough, things went sideways and up for a bit and it was everyone, riding on Dubya's CEOship bump....it's after that everything went hard down. Feb 2001 onwards and in real terms has been downward since, with inflation eating away these paper gains.

Most of post March 2000 was a lot of loss offsetting and derivative trading and of course insider nirvana.

ori

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:19 | 4651558 ToNYC
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Isn't that a good thing? The Force of Gravity is inverse squared to the postion of covering your masses. Counting fast ain't the only thing.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:49 | 4651891 max2205
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5 year at 5%...I'd take that

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:31 | 4652031 Xibalba
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I'll wait for 7%

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:04 | 4651573 Unknown Poster
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The Wall Street party depends on the fed's punchbowl. With no jobs, no investment what is there? No POMO, no momo.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:07 | 4651575 SmilinJoeFizzion
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They can try that fancy reverse repo move they busted out earlier in the month. That bought them one green day. Cost them 120b

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:19 | 4651592 Unknown Poster
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There are distortions from the reverse repos, but lending out treasuries to sanitize money market fund's books didn't cost the fed 120b. The charade was unwound with fed paying interest, but not 120b.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 08:51 | 4653606 yogibear
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You forgot Russia.  The US give Russia the middle finger. Now Russia can come down hard on Europe and crash their Federal Reserve's fiat game.

Russian math/financial  PhDs vs US Federal Reserve PhDs financial  game theory.

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:49 | 4651674 NeedleDickTheBu...
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YOU say "momentum", I say "beta" more often than not (or simply levered to WWIII when it comes MIC stocks).

MU - 1.84

FRX - 0.92

ACT - 0.34

FB - 1.77

HAR - 2.41

NFLX - 2.02

DAL - 0.98

FSLR - 2.12

TRIP - 1.49

WYNN - 1.57

ETFC - 2.39

GT - 2.10

BIIB - 1.34

ALXN - 0.51

PBI - 1.53

REGN - 0.81

PCLN - 1.59

GILD - 0.93

LUV - 0.91

LMT - 0.64

NOC - 0.95

MYL - 1.19

WDC - 1.56

RTN - 0.69

STZ - 1.16

GNW - 2.16

YHOO - 1.13

GHC - NA

ADS - 1.12

CMG - 0.81

BSX - 1.05

TSN - 0.28

ADBE - 1.42

MHFI - 0.92

VRTX - (0.25)???

LNC - 2.39

BA - 1.05

TMO - 1.06

WAG - 1.20

STX - 3.15

MCK - 0.89

STJ - 1.51

HUM - 0.98

MCO - 1.57

BWA - 1.67

TWC - 0.86

BBY - 2.19

GD - 0.92

AKAM - 1.93

KORS - 1.88

 

I'm guessing that a great number of investors are either clueless or engage in willful blindness when it comes to "risk-adjusted returns".  It makes it all good for the fund managers.

 

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 15:58 | 4651692 disabledvet
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Hugh "I can't look myself in he mirror" Hendry goes all in on Absolute Zero.

As Uncle Joe Stalin famously said "how many divisions have you?"

I guess we're all gonna find out now.

Eeeee haw and yippee ki-aye.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:34 | 4651828 holmes
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WTF

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:28 | 4651806 q99x2
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The FED Globalists will fix it.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 08:54 | 4653616 yogibear
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The Federal Reserve is out of their league in this one.

The US Fed, ECB and JCB banksters vs the BRICS.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 07:05 | 4656170 new game
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BRICS are pushing back. sure dollars have retrenched, inflation left in the wake.

They are trading around the dollar. next will be treasury failures with buyer of last

resort monetizing debt just like weinmer. dollar demise is coming slow at first til...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:08 | 4651956 polo007
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http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?id=WALCL

All Federal Reserve Banks - Total Assets, Eliminations from Consolidation

$4.4 trillion

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:00 | 4652105 Unknown Poster
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Another look: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=x1N My apologies, i was trying to compare balance sheet to SP 500. My 'puter skills need work.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:04 | 4652123 Unknown Poster
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Dup

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 08:56 | 4653623 yogibear
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Better believe it's more than $4 trillion. 

The Emperor has no clothes. Fractional reserve accounting, mark to fantasy, can be a bitch when it's exposed.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:11 | 4651974 Quinvarius
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When the market goes down, it takes everything with it.  There will be no difference between what GS thinks is a momo stock and the reality that they are all momo stocks.  The only question is intervention or no intervention. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:18 | 4655709 spinone
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Intervention.  If they can intervene they will.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 06:19 | 4656137 eclectic syncretist
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Agreed.  A lot of it comes down to how extended or overextended the participants are.  Goldman is only doing what it always does here, talking it's book.  It's acknowledging it's aware of the risks, while providing selective info backed reasons to ignore them.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:14 | 4651980 Bernoulli
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"...Historical experience suggests the S&P 500, but not momentum, will likely recover during the next few months..."

"...Analysis of historical trading patterns around momentum drawdowns shows..."

That's bullshit. Who gives a damn about "historical trading patterns"?

There must be like fivehundredbillion different things influencing the markets nowadays and not a single one of the factors is comparable to anything in 2000 or 2008 (except stupid investor behaviour maybe). All of the factors combined are CERNTAINLY NOT THE SAME. It's not the same "investors"/bankers/politicians/company leadership, it's not the same economic situation it's not the same trading systems, not the same rules, it's not the same companies, the internet is different, the means of communication are different, the people's attention span is ever shorter and so on and so forth...

But still of course at one point this "market" is gonna crash like hell (maybe next week?). And much faster much more crazy than we could have ever imagined. And I'm looking forward to watching Goldman and CNBC explaining all of this in "historical context".

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:37 | 4652200 southerncomfort
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why does market have to crash. reset is now. now is result of last five years. if u drive a car, does it always crash? there's risk, yes. but u adjust accordingly to ur comfort level of risk. looking over globe, more people than 2000, 1929. wouldn't we need larger vehicle (market) to accommodate all billions of these people-consumers?-yes? so because globe requires fatter vehicle to service more people why is it required to crash? ...but it does.  not sayin it won't.  lol, what goes up...but this global QE messin' w/ where ground from up is now.  like new normal is investing on a rocking boat.  haha but it's ...wild. i dig wild. in moderation...hahaha

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:53 | 4655487 TruthInSunshine
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That's right; we could just as likely get a Japanese style tortuous slow bleed over a 15 year period, when the Nikkei hit a high of 40,000 in 1989 and then ripped many faces off on its way to the 14,000ish to 15,000ish recent levels (and as low as the 7000 level in 2010) - mind you, THAT IS IN NOMINAL, AND NOT REAL, INDEX LEVELS (so figure an approximate 90% LOSS when calculated in REAL terms over those 15 years).

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 00:15 | 4655833 HardlyZero
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But where are the savers, and retirees with all those savings to invest in US bonds ?  US is not Japan.  Rhetorical questions.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 07:12 | 4656177 new game
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all comes back to the value of the dollar. that is the whole banana "republic" of investing. or petrodollar if you prefer.

if the brics prevail, dollar fucked-economic war with real bullets on the ground-cue ukraine.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:09 | 4652130 Yen Cross
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  The great MOMO crash of "14. Good Lord we're doomed.

 Call me when this ponzi crashes 3-4 % "day after day" for 2 weeks!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:51 | 4652255 LooseLee
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Their very analysis confirms that 'now' is much worse than 2000 and 2007. Gotta be able to 'read' what is being conveyed...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:55 | 4652268 Goldilocks
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Neil Sedaka - Laughter In The Rain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYIiY2wnyU (2:48)

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:05 | 4652300 naughtius maximus
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What about the great crash of Feb 3rd 2014? Or the one from aug 19 2011? Or that one from July 2 2010? Don't those matter anymore? 

Bull dicks to the moon!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:11 | 4652327 naughtius maximus
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The economy is so bad that: I received a pre-declined credit card in the mail. CEO's are now playing MINIATURE golf. Exxon-Mobile laid off 25 Congressmen. Angelina Jolie adopted a child from America. Motel 6 won't leave the light on anymore! A picture is now only worth 200 words. They renamed Wall Street " Wal-Mart Street". Finally, I called the Suicide Hotline. I got a call center in Pakistan and when I told them I was suicidal, they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck!!!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:26 | 4654573 RaceToTheBottom
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jocularity, gotta love it.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 17:46 | 4658429 Black Warrior W...
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Everyone's a comedian.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:55 | 4652703 moneybots
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"The stock market will likely recover during the next few months... but not momentum stocks."

 

Famous last words.  It is confined to momo.  It is confined to subprime.

 


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:46 | 4655772 EggSlayer
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Ok, but subprime mortgages were also what composed the CDO's which composed the repo's which were actually at the heart of the '08 financial crisis.. So how do momentum stocks fit in to a larger picture that you think will cause a crash?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:31 | 4653102 Ban KKiller
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Truth, in today's reality, reveals how rigged wall street is. People wake up and say "l own what"? SELL IT QUICK...I'm not a sucker anymore. 

Let's have a crash of this ducked up, cluster flock. Yep...

 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 13:08 | 4654228 spekulatn
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There is no market.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:06 | 4655260 MedicalQuack
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I posted this link on another thread but since we are talking Goldman, look at this, trying to convince Walgreens to move their headquarters to the UK from the US to avoid our tax system..largest tax inversion to ever be attempted, so far Walgreens has said no..the"Goldman Honey Badger" at work here.  Location wise this would stand to put Walgreens closer to the Dutch Sandwich for one.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/04/influential-group-of-walgreens.html

Tax Havens, good documentary and the best ones are set up by the 4 US big accounting agencies...that's what the documentary says so you are assured that they work as designed.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-tax-free-tour-documentary-on-...

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:34 | 4655490 Atomizer
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TARP Part II, (Too Ass Rape Peasants.)

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:10 | 4655578 rosiescenario
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If MOMO investing goes out of style we may see this market at 50% of its current level.

 

Stocks would be bought on fundamentals and balance sheet health.....now that's a frightening thought.

 

Expect to see a massive amount of shareholders' money spent by corporations doing stock buy backs in order to make managements' options of value.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:20 | 4655713 TheRideNeverEnds
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Give it another 10% of downside and the next FED announcement will be the untaper ----> increase of QE.  We all know its coming, the only question is when and by how much will they increase it. 

 

FED balance sheet is the only fundamental that matters.  

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:51 | 4655779 R-502
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When the Fed teat runs dry then the IMF will ride in to save the day. Then we will be slaves to those bastards.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 00:04 | 4655802 StupidEarthlings
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So... a slow news day?.. 

Again. .

 

 

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 00:15 | 4655829 antidisestablis...
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Has anyone not been able to get out if they wanted to?  I thought it was supposed to be impossible to get out near the top because the exits would be clogged with panicking sellers.  I mean that was the line spewed by the bears for the past 5 years as the S&P has tripled, right?  So  apparently that means this is not the end yet, right?  Because I haven't seen a single clogged exit anywhere. 

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:12 | 4655922 Oldwood
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Get out....to what? From the frying pan into the fire? If the market is dominated by large institutional players, where do they go for yield? Its their job....yield. Even Hendry had to eventually go for yield. They don't get paid for preservation, but they do get fired for losing in value and yield. They got no place to go and its not their money, so place your bets. There is no escape because for most of them there is no place to escape to. They are in it to the end. They will continue to buy the dip until their customers dry up and blow away. This makes the market very resilient yet also very stupid. When it blows, nothing, no amount of Yellen will save it.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:29 | 4655935 franciscopendergrass
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I can feel the red arrows coming. 

Despite this stock market downturn, I can feel this market reaching new tops again.  The market manipulators are just shaking out the pretenders.  The assholes have already shaken off the EM fakers.  Just take a look at the Turkish and Thai ETF's (TUR and THD, respectively).  The "Smart" money has been flooding those markets.  They are shaking out the biotech and tech retail investors so that they (the institutional investors) can buy those stocks at wholesale.  I do feel a bear market correction coming but it will not arrive before a new top is made.  It is just shaking out the pretenders.  The assholes are using whatever excuse [the taper (or in reality, the non-taper), the Ukraine, etc) to dump their positions and to buy them back cheaper.  The assholes are still receiving lots of QE money and that money has to go somewhere.

The thing I would be worried about is the retail US unleaded price avg.  The last two crashes had an avg of a gallon of unleaded rise above $3.86.  That is a figure that worries me.  Gasoline rising is like a tax on everyone.  Let's see what happens.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:34 | 4655943 elwind45
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Or Yen moving higher!

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:45 | 4655951 franciscopendergrass
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I'm long CAD (USDCAD) and EUR (EURUSD for a quick gap fill).  I hope the Yen strengthens in the next few hours.  Also, I'm hedging my short GBP (GBPUSD) swing position. LOL.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 02:03 | 4655964 elwind45
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More dip to buy?

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:30 | 4655938 elwind45
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Hugh Hendry turning bullish in Dec. Is a far cry from a fuming Bill Gates selling tech. From the Clinton courthouse steps prior to Y2k?
-the killer awoke near dawn and he put his boots on-

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:54 | 4655961 elwind45
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I forgot is it extend and pretend or pretend and extend? BUY ZE DIP again

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 02:11 | 4655972 elwind45
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Banks are reverse window dressing due to QE scheduled reductions? Its like a footballer trying to get a foul by screaming and going to ground? Everything is melting melting melting

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 06:33 | 4656146 Mario55
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Hugh Hendry ought to close his funds and start a new talk show career. He's a good comedian. He is much better at telling stories in public than at managing money.

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