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Why The Standoff At The Bundy Ranch Is A Very Big Deal

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of The Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

If you haven’t been following the unfolding drama at the Bundy Ranch about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas you need to start now. The escalating confrontation between irate local residents and federal agents of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has the potential to take a very dangerous turn for the worse at any moment, as hundreds of militia members from states across the country are expected to descend upon the area and make a stand with 67-year-old Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.

Before I get into any sort of analysis about what this means within the bigger picture of American politics and society, we need a little background on the situation. The saga itself has been ongoing for two decades and the issue at hand is whether or not Mr. Bundy can graze his 900 head of cattle on a particular section of public lands in Clark County. Cliven Bundy has been ordered to stop on environmental grounds to protect the desert tortoise, but he has stood his ground time and time again. As a result, the feds have now entered the area and are impounding his cattle. According to CNN, Between Saturday and Wednesday, contracted wranglers impounded a total of 352 cattle. The Bundy family, as well as a variety of local residents have already had confrontations with the BLM agents. Tasers have been used and some minor injuries reported. Most significantly, militia members from across the country have already descended upon the area and it seems possible that hundreds may ultimately make it down there.

To me, the argument of who is right and who is wrong in this situation is the least interesting part of the story. I have noted time and time again that the feds are becoming increasingly out of control and belligerent to American citizens. We know the stories (think Aaron Swartz) and we know the overall trend trend. However, the reason the Bundy Ranch confrontation is so interesting, is that for whatever reason this particular incident seems to be striking a chord of dissent. It is often times the most random, unforeseen and innocuous things that spark social/political movements. This standoff has it all.

From CBS News:

LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas/AP) — Militia groups are rallying behind a rancher whose cattle are being seized by the federal government.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that two militia members from Montana and one from Utah have arrived at Cliven Bundy’s ranch.

“We need to be the barrier between the oppressed and the tyrants,” Ryan Payne of the West Mountain Rangers told the Review-Journal. “Expect to see a band of soldiers.”

 

Payne said that militias from New Hampshire, Texas and Florida are likely to join and stand with Bundy and stay at his ranch.

 

“They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we speak,” Payne told the Review-Journal, adding that hundreds of militia members are expected.

 

Lawmakers are adding their voices into the fray, criticizing the federal cattle roundup fought by Cliven Bundy who claims longstanding grazing rights on remote public rangeland about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.

 

Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada said he told new U.S. Bureau of Land Management chief Neil Kornze in Washington, D.C., that law-abiding Nevadans shouldn’t be penalized by an “overreaching” agency.

 

Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval pointed earlier to what he called “an atmosphere of intimidation,” resulting from the roundup and said he believed constitutional rights were being trampled.

The fact that a U.S. Senator and the Governor are publicly coming out agains the feds is in my opinion a very big deal and may signal the beginning of a true fracturing in the social fabric. Something that I have been expecting for many years.

Heller said he heard from local officials, residents and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association and remained “extremely concerned about the size of this closure and disruptions with access to roads, water and electrical infrastructure.”

 

The federal government has shut down a scenic but windswept area about half the size of the state of Delaware to round up about 900 cattle it says are trespassing.

 

Sandoval said he was most offended that armed federal officials have tried to corral people protesting the roundup into a fenced-in “First Amendment area” south of the resort city of Mesquite.

 

The site “tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution” and should be dismantled, Sandoval said.

People being rounded up like cattle in these bullshit “First Amendment areas” is completely unacceptable.

BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon and Park Service spokeswoman Christie Vanover have told reporters during daily conference calls that free-speech areas were established so agents could ensure the safety of contractors, protesters, the rancher and his supporters.

 

Meanwhile, federal officials say 277 cows have been collected. Cannon said state veterinarian and brand identification officials will determine what becomes of the impounded cattle.

The kindling for social upheaval has been growing in America for quite some time. Disrespectful and ignorant statements from billionaire oligarchs like Sam Zell only make it worse. The question in my mind has always been what will the catalyst be to spark the brushfire? Will it be the Bundy Ranch? We’ll have to wait and see.

Personally, I hope cooler heads prevail and there is no violence, because once you head down the road of violent confrontation between the people and the feds you are opening up a can of worms that will not easily be bottled up again. In such a situation, everybody loses. However, my long-term fear is that unless the government and its puppet masters on Wall Street and elsewhere in big business change course, social upheaval will prove inevitable, whether the Bundy Ranch sparks it, or some other incident down the road. These are troubled times and they are likely going to get worse before they get better.

This picture basically says it all:

Bundy ranch

Full article here.

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The latest news is a 'win' for Bundy for now...

The gathering of rancher Cliven Bundy's cattle in northeast Clark County has been stopped by the director of the Bureau of Land Management.

 

Bundy is meeting this morning with Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie to discuss a possible solution to his dispute with the BLM.

 

Metro Officer Jesse Roybal confirmed that Gillespie was in the Bunkerville area this morning to meet with Bundy.

 

The BLM had been using contract cowboys to round up Bundy's 900 head of cattle that have been grazing over 600,000 square acres in northeast Clark County for more than 20 years without his payment of grazing fees.

 

Neil Kornze, director of the BLM, made the following statement this morning:

 

"As we have said from the beginning of the gather to remove illegal cattle from federal land consistent with court orders, a safe and peaceful operation is our number one priority. After one week, we have made progress in enforcing two recent court orders to remove the trespass cattle from public lands that belong to all Americans.

 

"Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.

 

"We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner.

 

Ranching has always been an important part of our nation’s heritage and continues throughout the West on public lands that belong to all Americans. This is a matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public lands ranchers do every year. After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially."

 

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Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:07 | 4651721 A Lunatic
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Throw Harry Reid in fucking prison......

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:11 | 4651731 Van Halen
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Strange that the Feds saw fit to retreat once the truth came out of Reid's and Red China's involvement in the land grab.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:13 | 4651743 Doña K
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Links will be appreciated

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:23 | 4651787 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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This is a planned retreat to get everyone to go home. Then they assault again when the media is captured by some other distraction...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:31 | 4651819 BlackChicken
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If Harry Reid does not get forced out of office for this, then the rule of law is completely dead in this country.

The fact that this little fucker did this to a family over a china deal just proves factually that he is a crook and has NO business representing anyone for any reason.

Fuck you Harry...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:35 | 4651829 max2205
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I thought this was about a illegal lemonade stand....gezzzz

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:39 | 4651854 RevRex
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A few hundred illegal cattle= National Emergency = SPEND MILLIONS

 

A few million illegal alien criminals = SO what?= Spend hundreds on enforcing our laws

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:41 | 4651864 James_Cole
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The fact that a U.S. Senator and the Governor are publicly coming out agains the feds is in my opinion a very big deal and may signal the beginning of a true fracturing in the social fabric. Something that I have been expecting for many year

Lol, two repubs coming out against the fed? I am completely shocked! Tis' the end of the world!!!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:52 | 4651901 IridiumRebel
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Alright then. Hobo up and donate all your shit to the gov. Oh that's right. It's not about the big picture, it's about left/right paradigm. Fags like you are the problem. They could rape a baby and you would deflect it to periphery bullshit. I'm sure there is a bag of dicks somewhere for you to go munch on.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:05 | 4651947 James_Cole
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Oh that's right. It's not about the big picture, it's about left/right paradigm. Fags like you are the problem. 

Yes, it's definitely about the left/right paradigm in these sorts of stories. I actually agree with the protestors in this 'standoff', but the issue is obviously ginned up into some stupid political shit a bunch of assholes can get their drooling base hopping mad about. 

Much worse injustices done on a daily basis no one talks about, but Sandoval (and the dems too I'm sure) can raise money on this so it's turned into a big political grudge match. 

Rage on Iridium..

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:08 | 4651957 Keyser
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900 head of cattle grazing on 600,000 acres and the BLM is bitching? Can you say zero impact? This is ridiculous and the Harry Reid / Chinese land grab sounds plausible, but we'll have to see how that plays out. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:36 | 4652046 Agstacker
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It started because this guy didn't want to pay his $1.37 per animal unit/acre welfare rancher fee.  He wanted to graze on public land for free and now he gets to.  Maybe I'll start a hunting guide business in National parks and drill for oil wherever the hell I want to as long as it's on public land.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:40 | 4652052 Troll Magnet
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Soetero & Holder will get involved once a black thug is shot nearby...by a Hispanic Jew.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:08 | 4652107 GetZeeGold
Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:10 | 4652137 chumbawamba
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"However, the reason the Bundy Ranch confrontation is so interesting, is
that for whatever reason this particular incident seems to be striking a
chord of dissent."

Yeah, cuz I think a lot of people realize we are running out of steak.  Between the droughts in the west, poor allocation of crops plus crony government oversight of water useage and other regulations mean we are going to have all kinds of meat shortages in the coming couple of years.

The best investment anyone can make right now is a Black Angus calf in their backyard.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:35 | 4652198 Abitdodgie
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My jersey just calfed this morning a nice jersey highland cross , a bull .

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:25 | 4652371 Xibalba
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About the tortoise

Government plans to euthanize hundreds of desert tortoises after budget cuts to refuge

 http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/25/government-plans-to-euthanize-hund...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:32 | 4652394 markmotive
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Americans vs. Americans. The war began when the government stopped working for the taxpayers.

Just how long did the NSA know about the 'Heartbleed' bug? And was the NSA using it to spy on citizens?

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/04/heartbleed-bug-what-nsa-knew-and-w...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:17 | 4652568 jwoop66
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the country was founded with the knowledge that government NEVER works for the taxpayers; only for itself.

 

 

Get it? 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:13 | 4653069 Squid-puppets a...
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im too ignrnt to read links, so i will infer from the comments above that the desert turles are insidious asian communists

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:21 | 4653080 grunk
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You want my cattle?

Moolon labe.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 10:54 | 4653910 rubiconsolutions
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First the government brought in the guys with guns. Now they are going to bring in the real goons, the real ruthless and soulless evildoers - government lawyers. They won't retreat, just rack up thousands of billable hours and break Bundy financially.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:01 | 4654510 TeamDepends
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Constitutional lawyers will step in, work for free(dom), and destroy them.  This is a massive defeat for the City Of London, who owns BLM, and mainstream media.  Long live the Republic!!!!!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:01 | 4655130 rubiconsolutions
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Yeah, that's the problem. Screw the constitution and the lawyers who defend it. 95% of the words in the damned thing are devoted to what government can do, shall do, must do. Only 5% are devoted to the rights of the individual. Long live the republic? How about long live individual rights? And where are the constitutional lawyers fighting the TSA's gate rape of tens of thousands of travelers each day? Where are the constitutional lawyers fighting immoral yet "constitutional" direct taxation?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:33 | 4674791 huxleyfanboy
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The government "brought in guns" to protect the agents/cowboys they sent to round up the cows. Bundy (and even more so militia groups) had hinted at armed resistance so they would be irresponsible not to bring protection for the team.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/cliven-bundy-bureau-of-land-manage...

http://www.factandmyth.com/conspiracy-theory/cliven-bundys-cattle-and-th...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/15/everything-you...

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 08:55 | 4653611 Kirk2NCC1701
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I looked at various youtube recordings and although I see some healthy venting by local people, I still do not see signs of REAL resistance.

Where we see people setting up barricades or providing physical resistance in North Africa, the Middle East or even Ukraine, the people in Western countries are literally a different 'breed'.  The best that they can do is bring out their camera phones.  Watch the sample in the link below, and only after watching it, tell me if you noticed what I noticed immediately...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPvHV6A_84Q

And, FYI, here is the link to the Bundy Ranch: http://bundyranch.blogsopt.com/

I noticed that the person posting the YT clip, and everyone else is still playing by the old rules "Obey, obey, obey your masters".  Yes, there's a lot of rage and indignation, but NO one had the real cojones to do anything more.  I still see EVERY ONE of those indignant people "working within the system".  No camo, no gear, no militia, no warning shots into the air.

I had hoped for more and genuine 'resistance' -- as seen in other places around the world, where our Gov fully encourages and funds civil resistance -- using the "what's good for the goose..." philosophy of justice and reciprocity.  The 3rd world has "balls".  The sheeple in the West have... camera phones and blog sites as a business model.

My takeaway is that this is merely a test by TPTB.  If people can be pushed and bullied the way these people can, I would not expect a "Red Dawn" type of resistance against the "Invaders From Within" anytime soon.  I did not see any "militia" types (armed and dressed in military/militia gear and balaclavas, and former military training) posing any kind of threat or resistance. Perhaps I'm more impatient than many, but IMO I just don't see much more than the proverbial "bleating of sheep".

My prediction:  This too shall pass, Reid will not go to jail or step down, and the 'outraged few' will return to their regular lives and soon resume their "regular programming".  It'll also be really good for clicks and website stats.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 09:19 | 4653681 sleigher
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I hate to say that you are probably right but you are.  There were some videos I saw where militia had their fatigues on and I know most showed up with their weapons, they just weren't carrying at the request of Bundy himself.  I believe most militia would have carried except out of respect for Bundy.

I see this another way.  10 years ago, and we know this because it happened, this rancher would have been run off his land and we would not have heard a peep.  Nor would we even be typing any of this.  Today we have people from across the country showing a sign of strength against the feds.  It may not be the firm assault some would like to see, but it is there.  I think had the BLM kept pushing and not backed down, we would have seen some of the things you were looking for.  It would have been a bloodbath of BLM agents.  I do not doubt that.  Although I believe most want a peaceful solution.  I think many are ready to fight if needed but prefer a peaceful solution.  I wouldn't dismiss them as panzies just yet.

The day is coming.  This is evidence of it.  There will be a second American Revolution/Civil war whatever.  It probably won't look like Red Dawn.  Think 4th generation warfare. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 10:10 | 4653801 HardAssets
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@Kirk - - - its not a video game. Real people bleed and die.

They did exactly what was needed and appropriate to meet their objectives, and once the Reid connection was discovered and put out there - - - it was all over for the BLM on this one.

You seem to regret that there wasn't a bloody 'show'. Many of us are very pleased that didn't happen.

In any case, with so many there, it is highly unlikely that they would have allowed the govt thugs to start brutally hurting & killing people.

 

What's wrong with some people ?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 10:35 | 4653864 TheFutureReset
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If Ruby Ridge would happen today it would've had a different outcome. Case closed. There is a slow, but steady trend toward liberty. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 10:43 | 4653890 sleigher
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Agreed.  "Those" days are behind us now.  I swear each day I see more and more who are "awake".  This is all as you say, a slow trend to liberty or the what this country was meant to be.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:16 | 4655041 Mad Muppet
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Just how long did the NSA know about the 'Heartbleed' bug? And was the NSA using it to spy on citizens?

 

 

 

My guess is that they wrote and launched it.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:52 | 4652865 IndianaJohn
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Dairy cattle make better beef. My Brown Swiss is a yearling now.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 00:02 | 4655798 mkkby
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I'll fight the gov over real tyranny, but this rancher is just another member of the free shit army crying about having to pay rent.  He should keep his cattle on HIS OWN LAND.  He wants to squat on gov land WHICH BELONGS TO ALL OF US.  It is not his, just because he lives nearby.

I'd like to graze my cattle on free land too.  So would millions of others.  That doesn't fucking work.  Buy your land and stop being a parasite.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:41 | 4652219 Evil Peanut
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With this knowledge of Reid's son being involved, where is the American outrage over this?

Why are people not making a fuss that someone was using government office to brutalize and destroy someones life and property for their own private personal gain?

The medias non-existant coverage and lack of investigative journalism is a revolting testament to how far peoples standards of governance have fallen.

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America will never be destroyed from the outside.

If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

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Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:35 | 4652590 LetThemEatRand
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I'm pissed.  Does that count?  And by media not covering this, do you mean TV?  Because Drudge is all over it and he gets many millions of hits a day. Granted I'm a ZH reader, but I'm no back woods rancher or Ruby Ridge guy.  It was obvious from day one that this had nothing to do with turtles.   Watching those thug Nazi federal land management militarized fucking douchebags taze ordinary citizens made my blood boil.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:40 | 4652647 kliguy38
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you're a radical.....sarc off

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:08 | 4653057 Manthong
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On the lighter side..

we can be rid of those nasty tan lines.....

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:33 | 4653190 zhandax
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I don't mind lines....I would rather be rid of those who draw them

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:53 | 4652868 ACP
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Yeah and the worst thing about it is NOTHING is mentioned in the MSM about Reid or his corrupt POS son:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/12/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/...

No Reid here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20140412/us--range-showdown/?ut...

No Reid there.

http://www.msnbc.com/search/cliven%20bundy

Not even one single hit for 'Cliven Bundy'.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/12/federal-agency-pulls-back-in-...

No Reid on Fox.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-go...

No Reid on ABC.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cliven-bundys-fight-in-nevada-with-federal-g...

No Reid on CBS.

 

Total absolute horseshit, or bullshit in this case.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:08 | 4653055 TrustbutVerify
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Quite watching the MSM and complain to the cable provider that you subsidze them with your monthly cable fees.  

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 10:45 | 4653892 sleigher
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Not a fan of Hannity or anything but he has followed this pretty close and has had Bundy on a few times now.  FOX in general may be ignoring it but some inside are following.  Now, Hannity did hide some of the facts, or ignored them, but at least there was some coverage.  He completely glossed over the land/Reid issue.  Not even a mention of Reid even though it is his state.  

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:58 | 4653233 Zero Debt
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If we let the government confiscate food production resources and land, they will own the means of life which means the flow of food will be rented from globalists. They will control all the supply chains. They will absorb private competition and merge special interests into large controllable top-down structures that they can conspire with to outcompete small businesses and raise exorbiant entry barriers. You can own a cow, but if it poops, then you need to pay carbon taxes to Al Gore. If it eats grass, that represents destruction of federal property and you need to pay for the grass to grow. You can sell milk, but if you sell raw and bypass big retail and centralized processing plants you are a villain putting lives at risk and the milk must be destroyed, preferably with paint. You can sell the beef, but be sure to inject a healthy dose of growth hormone and vaccines so big pharma gets their fair share. You can even help your neighbors in need as well, as long as you do not trust them to help you in bad times, but rather trust insurance companies to pay you from their unfunded liabilities and government department to ship you necessities in a crisis. Do not rely on your own preparation, or yourself, for anything of importance, they say.

At the root of the problem is the monopoly of violence in the name of monopoly of benevolence. Why would anyone want to grant the government a monopoly on violence to exercise a monopoly of benevolence? It makes no sense.

If the government is allowed to have guns, everyone should be allowed to have guns. In fact, we are the government, hence, the government has no guns to being with, only the guns they are given by the will of the people for the specific uses granted by the people. Once they overstep their boundaries, they have lost their legitimate right to operate.

Monopolies do not work. Not in business. Not in violence. No in charity. Not in education. Not in healthcare. Not in insurance. Not in currencies. Not in food production. Not in benevolence. Not in charity. Not in spirituality. Not in technology. Not in science. Not in research. Not in genetics. Not in seeds. Not in medicine. Not in media. Nowhere.

In the context of a system with natural, de facto and fiat monopolies, private family armies that defend their natural rights against crooked politicians and their business accomplices doing billion dollar dirty deals behind closed doors makes a whole lot of sense.

Corporate armies with political thugs that defend billion dollar global business makes way less sense. Especially when they hold a banner in their left hand claiming to protect desert turtles while the right hand keeps nuking the hell out of the desert and said turtles.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 05:24 | 4653435 JoeSexPack
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+1000

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:37 | 4674794 huxleyfanboy
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"With this knowledge of Reid's son being involved, where is the American outrage over this?"

Well,  the people who actually believe that are indeed outrages.  The others either aren't paying attention, or have actually done some fact-checking.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/17/facts-disprove-conspiracy-th...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp

http://www.factandmyth.com/conspiracy-theory/cliven-bundys-cattle-and-th...


Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:48 | 4652858 IndianaJohn
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Got a Brown Swiss yearling in my yard now.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 05:13 | 4653426 trader1
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fuck red meat when you can eat hemp seeds and quinoa.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:47 | 4652674 Philalethian
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BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT NEWS RELEASE

Release Date: 02/19/14

Secretary Jewell Announces Two Solar Projects Approved in California, Nevada

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/newsroom/2014/February/Secretary_Jewell_Announces_Two_Solar_Projects_Approved_in_California__Nevada.htm

 

BING...BADDA...BANG!

WHOOPS....DER IT IS....CARBON TAXES AND FAKE CLIMATE ACTIONS TO PROFIT, WHO?

"As part of President Obama’s Climate Action Plan to reduce carbon pollution,"

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 12:01 | 4654068 BustainMovealota
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There is a solar field already near Primm, NV

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Primm,+NV+89019/@35.620836,-115.356182...!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x80cf44057dcf2991:0x12791757e28d00

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:04 | 4652120 jbvtme
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could have used these patriots at ruby ridge and waco. if the facts are right, this guy owes the feds for leasing rights. the feds need to kill the lease and buy him out, like eminent domain. someone has a higher and more profitable use for the land, which belongs to the people.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:37 | 4652204 jbvtme
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grazing cattle in the desert is idiots work.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:19 | 4652348 Bunders
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"grazing cattle in the desert is idiots work." Maybe not - TED: Allan Savory - How to Green the World's Deserts and Reverse Climate Change

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:50 | 4652461 jbvtme
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antelope, deer, possibly elk, buffalo...cows are useless and grazing them in the desert is dumb. i live in a place where the land provides four cuttings of hay per year. that's where you graze cows ala joel salatin. leave the desert for wild game which can be hunted. way better tasting and nutritious. i know...that's agenda 21.  but not if hunting and access rights are preserved. this rancher is a dinosauer. and so is the BLM. buy the guy out and put the wild game back. i bagged a five point elk in the day. ate the heart still beating in the field. all the meat i eat is wild. fuck cows. and fuck entitled western ranchers.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:10 | 4652542 nmewn
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Eminent domain, you mean like Kelo v City of New London where "the state" decided its coffers were more important than an individuals?

And look at who the dissenters were vs who the enablers were in that case...very enlightening.

Oh, the property is being used as a dump now, no high rises issuing forth mega-millions in taxation to greedy little career seeking government bureaucrats.

A dump, unused, abused.

The only thing abused by the ruling were property rights and our concept of law.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:28 | 4652600 jbvtme
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kelo was for the benefit of pfizer. this "taking" benefits the people.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:55 | 4652706 nmewn
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I believe we're on the verge of a breakthrough here, if you'll let go of your pre-conceptions & premises.

Pfizer didn't have the ability to "TAKE" anything. Period.

If Pfizer trespassed on my property with the intention of stealing (taking) my shit, I would kill them. Dead. And let the buzzards strew their bones across my property as a warning to all others. By law.

It did have the ability to sway "the peoples government officials" to their way of thinking by saying it (government) would have increased profits to it (government) though by law didn't it? Much in the same way as "reserving" this land for turtles (lol) would have benefited Harry Reids ambitions.

Its kinda like, "its for the cheeeldrin" ;-)

So, now that you see the fascist state in action, to which side do you now belong?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:54 | 4652871 Lord Koos
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Because property is more important than life.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:31 | 4652958 Oldwood
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Property IS life. If not, what the fuck are we going to work for? The government will GIVE me food and shelter, so I guess its just best we given up on owning anything and just passively mingle in the sheep pen with our neigbors, waiting on our next meal.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:15 | 4653163 Quus Ant
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Property isn't life, Oldwood.  You just like it alot. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 03:11 | 4653351 Libertarian777
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your life IS your property.

Or do you believe in conscription, selective service and the state owning you?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 03:16 | 4653353 Quus Ant
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e)  none of the above

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 06:06 | 4653468 Jumbotron
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Stop arguing with these idiots.  They do not understand that they do not own SHIT.  Everything they have can be taken away....even their land and houses if they do not pay their property tax.  Or do not renew their driver's license and/or car insurance.  Or pay their death tax before giving over possesions such as land/houses/businesses to their family.

None of you own shit....never have, never will.  With the exception of your mind.  And most of you do not own even that for you have given it over to the self delusion that you own shit.

If the condition of "ownership" is conditional to licensing and/or monthly/yearly taxation by the state.....YOU....DO...NOT....OWN....IT !!   THE STATE DOES !!!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 10:52 | 4653906 GeorgeHayduke
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Good point.I've argued about how impossible true freedom is in this world unless you own nothing due to these kinds of taxes.

However, it is interesting when the staunchest property rights folks, like say many of the folks at this overblown "standoff". would likely have an about face on bodily property rights when a pregnant woman goes to get an abortion. As usual, these issues go well beyond the sternly typed, one-liners fired off on most message boards these days.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:11 | 4653064 nmewn
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Lord Koos, long time no see.

You saying submitting to theft is more important than your life? Does this concept of passivity extend to your person and your family as well?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:02 | 4653147 StychoKiller
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Why don't we bring our buddies, Smith&Wesson and go knock on his/her door to find out?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:43 | 4653160 Quus Ant
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Of course it is, Lord Koos.  That's how this whole system works.  We all get to rape the earth and our fellow man a little bit and hence it becomes problematic, down right hypocritical, to restrain the hard core raping perpetrated at the top. 

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/360/360-h/360-h.htm

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 07:42 | 4653516 sleigher
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Anyone who supports the feds action in this is now to be referred to as a brown shirt.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 02:19 | 4703106 MeelionDollerBogus
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You probably wouldn't last all day in the desert with nothing to do much less looking after a herd of cattle.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:54 | 4652872 Dangertime
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Which "people" does it belong to?  Harry Reid and his son you mean?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:47 | 4652076 DoChenRollingBearing
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I don't know the details of this, but it appears that while Bundy should be paying to graze his cattle on our public lands, the government is grossly over-reacting and/or Slimy Harry Reid is working another scam.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:52 | 4652089 The Gooch
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Paying to WHOM?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:55 | 4652099 Skateboarder
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Is-real.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:26 | 4652593 Sabibaby
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The public, he should be paying the public because his cattle are grazing on public land. Seems fair to me since we aren't profiting from the sale of the beef.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:38 | 4652635 LetThemEatRand
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This is one of those times I have to disagree with the concept of paying for use of public land.  It's a fucking desert.  The law that would require him to pay is immoral and without justification.  He's not letting his cattle out to range Yellowstone or Central Park.  It's.  A.  Fucking.  Desert.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:32 | 4652810 Crash Overide
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But it's fucking harry reid's desert... get it?  

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:55 | 4652874 Lord Koos
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Desert or not, cattle have an effect on the ecosystem... to say they don't is just ignorant.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:35 | 4652975 Oldwood
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After all, Its just one more guy the government is putting out of business. Whats the big deal, right? And its not like we need food or anything, and if the guy would just bow down and out, I'm sure they would be happy to send him a SNAP card. Lets just calm down and start forming a line.....

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:37 | 4652978 LetThemEatRand
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We nuked the desert with abandon.  How many fucking turtles died in those tests?  If you think this is about turtles I have a bridge to sell you.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 11:51 | 4654043 GeorgeHayduke
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Who is this "we" you speak of? I didn't participate in it. It was before my time even.

Nice line of reasoning: since the government nuked them to death, everyone else should just be an asshole too. Sounds like a great way to operate in this world. No wonder this culture is going down these days. Good riddance.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:19 | 4653077 Teamtc321
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Could possibly agree if you feel cow shit in the desert to help fertilize is a good thing............

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 08:56 | 4653622 Agstacker
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So using your logic I can go drill an oil well on public land without signing a lease with the government.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 02:15 | 4703103 MeelionDollerBogus
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Should be, that's how all the first oil wells were started.

Why would you sign a lease, pay money, to someone else who doesn't own it? They don't own it.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 02:14 | 4703100 MeelionDollerBogus
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When you pay under $30 per pound for beef you profit every day from this man's work. And when Cliven Bundy can't graze his cattle you better believe you will be paying $30/pound.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:37 | 4653111 Lost Word
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State of Nevada,

Not the Feds.

Somehow this comment went to the wrong place in the thread.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:53 | 4652091 DaveyJones
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I've read the slimy harry reid is more protected than the nevada desert tortise

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:28 | 4652176 DoChenRollingBearing
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Whaa, Pelosi's got him hidden under her skirt?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 03:51 | 4653371 tenpanhandle
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ah for pities sake, somone pinch his nose.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:50 | 4652252 Bindar Dundat
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Sorry Harry could not be there. He is attending the birth of his next wife.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:52 | 4653137 Flagit
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there are 2000 armed cowboys 10 hours from his farthest office. maybe we will see how protected he is.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:41 | 4652217 Abitdodgie
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He has been grazing since 1870 , he has no problem paying the state for grazing rights ,but will not pay the BLM, a private  corporation (not a Goverment entity) who claimed the land in 1993 .Just like the DNR nothing to do with the Government.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:20 | 4652350 Agstacker
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"He has been grazing since 1870"

 

Which would make him about 150 years old or so.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 06:25 | 4653478 Squid-puppets a...
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his family, douchebag

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 08:57 | 4653626 Agstacker
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The statement didn't SAY his family, you illiterate asshole.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:35 | 4652820 Crash Overide
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"He has been grazing since 1870 , he has no problem paying the state for grazing rights ,but will not pay the BLM, a private  corporation (not a Goverment entity) who claimed the land in 1993 .Just like the DNR nothing to do with the Government."

 

Add the IRS the FED and the rest of the USA corporation to that list.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:58 | 4653225 zhandax
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I would expect the populace of this forum to know the 10th amendment, and will conclude that the general consensus is that is has expired from lack of nourishment.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Someone tell me if I am off base here, but it seems to me the existence of the BLM contravenes the bill of rights.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 07:46 | 4653522 sleigher
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BLM isn't the only thing.  Insert anything right after "Dept. of ______" and you are right on target. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 09:47 | 4653740 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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As does most of the Federal Govt.

The States are the principals in the Constitutional Compact making the Federal Govt. their AGENT. If ones AGENT goes beyond their contract (see Art. 1 Sect. 8) then neither the principals nor the citizens of the States can be obligated to any and all actions taken by by their AGENT. It is an obligation of the States, if and when this occurs, to bring their AGENT to heel or to dissolve it.

Where are the States?

I'm afraid we all know the answer.

 

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 02:03 | 4703094 MeelionDollerBogus
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Sheriff Mack on the 10th amendment: http://youtu.be/T_GNzwnCdb4

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 09:37 | 4653720 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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True.

Isn't the IRS corporate HQ in Puerto Rico?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:01 | 4652505 Miffed Microbio...
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Reid the consummate asshole is grabbing them because beef prices are skyrocketing and he sees to make the most money now. This is not about a turtle or failure to pay grazing fees. It is a land grab, nothing more.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:38 | 4652830 sushi
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My understanding is that he or his forefathers was grazing cattle on this range well before the BLM came into existence.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:59 | 4652884 lincolnsteffens
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Evidently this is Nevada Land, not Federal Land. It is the Federal Gov. telling Nevada and Nevadans what to do with land at the orders of Federal Bureaucrats that made up the regulations in 1990s. Bundy claims he paid for the grazing rights until the Feds. changed the laws and Bundy no longer legally had a way to pay Nevada. The Budys started farming there in 1880.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:27 | 4653191 lasvegaspersona
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More than 80% of the land in NV is federal (I think 85% is the correct number...) We are 'Battle Born' (civil war) and in exchange for the State's loyalty to the Union the Feds kept the rights to all but a few cities. Now the fucktards make regs and limit usage 'for the environment.' Ask folks from Utah about how the Fed operate. Clinton didn't want coal coming out of S Central Utah so he decreed the area to be a National Monument. Now one cannot scratch one's behind without some federal agent asking for your papers.

The 'environmentalists' love it. Hunters, recreational folks, climbers, farmers and ...anyone who actually uses land as opposed to looking at it....hates it.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:08 | 4652131 chumbawamba
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Maybe take yer head out yer ass and do some research before you open your gape and spew.

A Bundy's been grazing his cattle on that land since 1870.  There was no government out there back then.  There was just land.  And people.  Every rancher used the open lands equally.  And like all of god's creatures, those cows do their job, turning that soil.

This issue is, as Cliven so matter of factly puts it, contracts.  He has no contract with the Federal government to use that land and they have no authority to force him to pay for it now.  He's been using that land as other ranchers have with a public easement for over a century.  You can't just come in and take away the easement without due process and public hearings.  And when you look into the real reasons for this action, and not just the most recent revelations of the BLM selling lease rights to fracking companies, but also take into account the slow usurpation of local land use authority by the United Nations (yes, Agenda 21 is real, all the documentation is there, and if you've noticed, a great many ridiculous ordinances are being passed by cities everywhere preventing people from using their yards to have gardens or collect rainwater...that is Agenda 21), then what we have here is criminality at its basest form.

If you think this is about a buck thirty seven per head of cattle then you need to look up the term "Stockholm Syndrome" or watch Roots and see how the black people acted towards their white masters.  Then think about yourself.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:24 | 4652171 tjeffersonsghost
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Ask the native americans if the government can just come and take your land even though you have been using it for generations...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:34 | 4652192 chumbawamba
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You ain't dividing me, bitch.  This is here and now.  I will always support the right of every one to exercise their dominion over the land.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:43 | 4652226 Jumbotron
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Then give me your address asshole and I'll come exercise my dominion over your little piece of heaven.

What a cock sucking asshole you are, fucktard.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:23 | 4652359 nmewn
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Why don't you give him yours? ;-)

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:40 | 4652424 Jumbotron
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I'm giving him a chance to live another day by not giving him mine.

Plus....I'm not an asshole "Murcan ignoramoose who still believes in Manifest Destiny.  That if I am able to take the Native American's land it's because it's God's Will that white people rule America over the godless pagan brown people.  Of course.....never forgetting that all the land that we stole from the brown people was needed for all our black people we enslaved to work the plantations.

Oh.....right.....go ask the Cherokee why whitey needed their land so bad they commited forced marchings and genocide.  Same as it ever was with humanity.

Thar's GOLD in them thar Injun Hills !!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Gold_Rush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OceYiLo8OTM

 

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:58 | 4652497 new game
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the only way to have peace of mind with the grave injustice to the american indian is that it was inevitable that a more technologically advanced human would show up and do what was done. jungles of brazil...

it is what/ who we are...

wars...

killers.

survival/dominance from the killers percpective

go hone your instincts before it is to late.

kill or be killed/way it is...

a wolf has no issue with trotting down a lame 3 legged deer.

think about it.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:31 | 4652604 Jumbotron
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Last I checked....evolution gave us the ability to be more than animals......and thus treat ourselves better than animals.

At least with animals it's instinctual.  With men it's Free Will.  One has an excuse....the other....not so much.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:01 | 4652720 nmewn
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So you wanted his address for what, again? ;-)

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:40 | 4652989 Ralph Spoilsport
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lol! Bimbotron is writing checks that his dumb ass can't cash. Talk's cheap mother fucker. No more pop tarts for a week sonny.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:18 | 4653075 nmewn
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Personally, asking someone anonymous for their address in a public forum, is akin to inviting the gestapo to pay the idiot who obliges a visit.

Why he would wish that on someone is for the reader to decide ;-)

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 03:42 | 4653364 Tall Tom
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My address, once again, is 12223B Woodside Ave, Lakeside, CA, USA. He can visit me.

 

Looking forward to it. Hunting is fun.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 06:10 | 4653472 Jumbotron
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To take over his land simply because I can......and it's God's Will and my Manifest Destiny.

Because Chumbles is a pagan....and not worthy of his land.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 06:35 | 4653483 Squid-puppets a...
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dont underestimate chumba.

pagans have a closer relationship to primaeval instinct than do cultures of more modern 'civilized' affectations

when cornered, he may be more capable of savagery than you

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:46 | 4653004 Oldwood
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Like every other leftist, there is ours and then there is mine. Life is fucking war. If there had been more Indians with better technology we would probably all be living in air conditioned Tee Pees. Your concern of the native American Indians is heartwarming, but given how that worked out for them are you really justifying it happen again simply out of some concept of justice? This shit has been going on since before man stood upright. There is no justice other than what you can wrought for yourself. You can bend over and let the powers that be take what they will for the sake of the "people" if you wish, but damn well keep your fucking paws off of mine.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 06:21 | 4653476 Jumbotron
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I'm not a leftist shit eater.

So life's a war eh....shit eater?

Then why are you stupid, history ignorant mother fuckers even bitching about Fed/Gov taking over this asshole's land ?

I mean....."Life is a fucking war"......right....shit eater ?

If we had "better technology" Fed/Gov wouldn't be doing this....right....shit eater ?

I mean...."this shit has been going on since before man stood upright".....right.....shit eater ?

Ohhh......what a cute, tough, little shit eater you are....with that whole last line you puked out......."You can bend over and let the powers that be take what they will for the sake of the "people" if you wish, but damn well keep your fucking paws off of mine."

I bet you like yours up the ass with no lubricant.  Because THEY have already taken your shit, you ingnorant fuck !  You pay property tax, whether you rent or not......you pay for a license to drive your car and probably have to have insurance as well.....which is the government telling you that you have to buy insurance.....just like Obamacare does for your health.

You cannot buy ANYTHING without some tax on it......you don't want to pay the tax....you can't buy the product.  The store you buy the product from has to pay a tax in order to stock the good you want to buy.  They have to pay property tax to build the store to stock the good for you to buy.  Their delivery truck driver has to purchase a license and buy insurance.

And on....and on...and on it goes.

"But damn well keep your fucking paws off mine"

ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!

Tough talking little shit eater.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 08:04 | 4653536 new game
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now, now; no reason to get pissy.

life is not fair, fair was never a condition.

it is and will always be about the pursuit

of survival: shelter, food and water.

everything eminates from that...

oh, and man is one fucked up cunning

animal-beware! kills needlessly!

 

 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 09:45 | 4653733 DaveyJones
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"At least with animals it's instinctual.  With men it's Free Will"   - so they say

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:42 | 4653204 Quus Ant
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You make an excellent point, Jumbo, though you're getting monkey hammered from every angle.  It's a question of power.  The question remained unanswered, but ever present, while the frontier remained.  "Americans" were left the illusion that they had some power.  Take it.  Tame it.  It's yours.  They cleared out the natives, but surely they, as white citizens, would be safe to dominate their own little piece of heaven.  Well, the world is shrinking now- no new frontier.  Resources are scarce and uncle sam is counting every rock and shrub. 

Time for the american to learn exactly where he ranks.  My guess is somewhere above a native and somewhere below a desert turtle.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:20 | 4653248 zhandax
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Resources aren't as scarce as you think.  Amazing what a layer of bankster scum can do to apparent 'scarcity' when they hold futures contracts on the stuff before it comes out of the ground.  Witness China and the price of copper.  If you had mentioned increasing conversion costs, you might sound more creditable.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:26 | 4653262 Quus Ant
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The truth is who knows what the truth is.  Do the futures hide abundance or scarcity?  We won't know until the veil drops.  Saudi Arabia's last large oil field discovery, Ghawar, was in 1948 and the saudi's still claim it hasn't peaked. Yeahhhhhh.

I do know that 8 billion earthlings can't have the "quality of life" of 300 million Americans.  That is scarcity.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:34 | 4653266 zhandax
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If the future is simply a continuation of our current path I will agree.  But that is not a high probability outcome.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:35 | 4653270 Quus Ant
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The aliens better hurry up if they want anything worth plundering.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:36 | 4653273 zhandax
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What makes you think they want paper?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:41 | 4653279 Quus Ant
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They could be giant Venusian assholes with legs.  Invest in a wide brimmed hat.

 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:42 | 4653281 zhandax
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Send them to the White House.  This could get amusing.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:53 | 4652190 Lore
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EXCELLENT POST, CW.  At its core, this is another dirty "green" manifestation of Agenda 21: fascist socialization (theft) of PUBLIC property and elimination of liberty, ostensibly for the common good. It's exciting to watch some people cut through the BS. My community is lost, completely brainwashed, but if this one can be saved, maybe it'll waken others.

I was very impressed by the conduct of the protestors last week in the videos I watched: no swearing, no firearms, nothing stupid, just lots of cameras and some basic knowledge, principle and community spirit.  The messaging was not clear, but that comes with organization and leadership.  Let's hope for more respectful and constructive dialogue, especially as officials realize the forces involved and how they have been duped.  TIME is on the side of the protestors.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:21 | 4652355 Agstacker
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"A Bundy's been grazing his cattle on that land since 1870"

 

How old is this guy anyway?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:44 | 4652440 graneros
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Really good post. I enjoyed reading that. Green arrow and a gold star.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:24 | 4652167 Oxbo Rene
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That ranch has been there since the 1800's = he (his family) was there before all these money/land grabbing laws came into existance. Something about "Grandfathering- in ..........

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:21 | 4652356 Agstacker
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Tell that to the native americans.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:59 | 4652883 Dangertime
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It was wrong then and it's wrong now.  So what's your point?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:04 | 4652895 Agstacker
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Please give me a hyper link to this guy's warranty deed showing him to be the true owner of these 600,000 acres.  That's my point.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:48 | 4653010 Oldwood
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And the Indian's deed for their lands? Rules are devised to take our rights away, not preserve them.

May I see your papers please.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:06 | 4653154 Citxmech
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I think he's claiming a land use easement. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:57 | 4653296 Dangertime
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Posession is 9/10ths of the law, additionally, the BLM has no jurisdiction over state land.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 03:48 | 4653368 Tall Tom
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It is Federal land as is 85% of all land in Nevada.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 07:58 | 4653529 sleigher
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Once again, what the hell is federal land?  brownshirt

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:03 | 4652516 robobbob
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yeah, lets just forget about the Bundy families hundred years of prior usage and the .gov arbitrarily changing a contract without consent. but hey, you're cool with gov stiffing GM bondholders too right?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:49 | 4652680 eatthebanksters
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You  should start a hunting guide business because if you know as much about that as you undersatnd the issues here (and BLM au grazing permits and fees) you'll probably get lost, and either starve or shoot yourself accidentally - something tells me you've never fired a gun before.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:23 | 4652938 horseman
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From what I read he was paying grazing fees then the BLM upped the fees and slashed the animal units which would have put him out of business.  Thats how it got started.  I know from family experience that this is a common technique used to defacto  force people off the land.

 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:29 | 4653194 Freddie
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It is about Harry Reid and his son doing a land grab for a Chinese energy company.  Harry gets a piece of everything in NV.  The old time Mormons in Las Vegas and NV have their fingers on everything.   This is stealing land just like the way the Chinese Govt does it to Chinese farmers.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 13:31 | 4654287 Creeps
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The Bundy family is Mormon and has been there since the 1870s, so I would consider them old time Mormons, yet they are the ones being forced off the land.  This is just Harry Reid being a corrupt politician.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:45 | 4653222 ratpack1968
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Ranchers have been ranging cattle out there for 150+ years - BEFORE it was "public" land and when they were encouraged to settle the west. This was before the government had bureaucrats to harrass them and well before all the dirty tree hugging hippies started whining about the environment. He shouldnt have to pay shit - it's his birth right.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 10:57 | 4653925 monoloco
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I tend to agree. The guy would have more credibility if he had been paying the ridiculously low grazing fees all along, but the fact that he seems to feel entitled to use taxpayer owned land for free, just makes him another teat sucking welfare queen. He should be evicted.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 11:26 | 4656960 Zymurguy
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His family was grazing cattle there for over 100 years.  This was long before it was "public" lands as you refer to it.  You've got to learn a bit more about the bigger picture here.

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