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Why The Standoff At The Bundy Ranch Is A Very Big Deal

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of The Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

If you haven’t been following the unfolding drama at the Bundy Ranch about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas you need to start now. The escalating confrontation between irate local residents and federal agents of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has the potential to take a very dangerous turn for the worse at any moment, as hundreds of militia members from states across the country are expected to descend upon the area and make a stand with 67-year-old Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.

Before I get into any sort of analysis about what this means within the bigger picture of American politics and society, we need a little background on the situation. The saga itself has been ongoing for two decades and the issue at hand is whether or not Mr. Bundy can graze his 900 head of cattle on a particular section of public lands in Clark County. Cliven Bundy has been ordered to stop on environmental grounds to protect the desert tortoise, but he has stood his ground time and time again. As a result, the feds have now entered the area and are impounding his cattle. According to CNN, Between Saturday and Wednesday, contracted wranglers impounded a total of 352 cattle. The Bundy family, as well as a variety of local residents have already had confrontations with the BLM agents. Tasers have been used and some minor injuries reported. Most significantly, militia members from across the country have already descended upon the area and it seems possible that hundreds may ultimately make it down there.

To me, the argument of who is right and who is wrong in this situation is the least interesting part of the story. I have noted time and time again that the feds are becoming increasingly out of control and belligerent to American citizens. We know the stories (think Aaron Swartz) and we know the overall trend trend. However, the reason the Bundy Ranch confrontation is so interesting, is that for whatever reason this particular incident seems to be striking a chord of dissent. It is often times the most random, unforeseen and innocuous things that spark social/political movements. This standoff has it all.

From CBS News:

LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas/AP) — Militia groups are rallying behind a rancher whose cattle are being seized by the federal government.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that two militia members from Montana and one from Utah have arrived at Cliven Bundy’s ranch.

“We need to be the barrier between the oppressed and the tyrants,” Ryan Payne of the West Mountain Rangers told the Review-Journal. “Expect to see a band of soldiers.”

 

Payne said that militias from New Hampshire, Texas and Florida are likely to join and stand with Bundy and stay at his ranch.

 

“They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we speak,” Payne told the Review-Journal, adding that hundreds of militia members are expected.

 

Lawmakers are adding their voices into the fray, criticizing the federal cattle roundup fought by Cliven Bundy who claims longstanding grazing rights on remote public rangeland about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.

 

Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada said he told new U.S. Bureau of Land Management chief Neil Kornze in Washington, D.C., that law-abiding Nevadans shouldn’t be penalized by an “overreaching” agency.

 

Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval pointed earlier to what he called “an atmosphere of intimidation,” resulting from the roundup and said he believed constitutional rights were being trampled.

The fact that a U.S. Senator and the Governor are publicly coming out agains the feds is in my opinion a very big deal and may signal the beginning of a true fracturing in the social fabric. Something that I have been expecting for many years.

Heller said he heard from local officials, residents and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association and remained “extremely concerned about the size of this closure and disruptions with access to roads, water and electrical infrastructure.”

 

The federal government has shut down a scenic but windswept area about half the size of the state of Delaware to round up about 900 cattle it says are trespassing.

 

Sandoval said he was most offended that armed federal officials have tried to corral people protesting the roundup into a fenced-in “First Amendment area” south of the resort city of Mesquite.

 

The site “tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution” and should be dismantled, Sandoval said.

People being rounded up like cattle in these bullshit “First Amendment areas” is completely unacceptable.

BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon and Park Service spokeswoman Christie Vanover have told reporters during daily conference calls that free-speech areas were established so agents could ensure the safety of contractors, protesters, the rancher and his supporters.

 

Meanwhile, federal officials say 277 cows have been collected. Cannon said state veterinarian and brand identification officials will determine what becomes of the impounded cattle.

The kindling for social upheaval has been growing in America for quite some time. Disrespectful and ignorant statements from billionaire oligarchs like Sam Zell only make it worse. The question in my mind has always been what will the catalyst be to spark the brushfire? Will it be the Bundy Ranch? We’ll have to wait and see.

Personally, I hope cooler heads prevail and there is no violence, because once you head down the road of violent confrontation between the people and the feds you are opening up a can of worms that will not easily be bottled up again. In such a situation, everybody loses. However, my long-term fear is that unless the government and its puppet masters on Wall Street and elsewhere in big business change course, social upheaval will prove inevitable, whether the Bundy Ranch sparks it, or some other incident down the road. These are troubled times and they are likely going to get worse before they get better.

This picture basically says it all:

Bundy ranch

Full article here.

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The latest news is a 'win' for Bundy for now...

The gathering of rancher Cliven Bundy's cattle in northeast Clark County has been stopped by the director of the Bureau of Land Management.

 

Bundy is meeting this morning with Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie to discuss a possible solution to his dispute with the BLM.

 

Metro Officer Jesse Roybal confirmed that Gillespie was in the Bunkerville area this morning to meet with Bundy.

 

The BLM had been using contract cowboys to round up Bundy's 900 head of cattle that have been grazing over 600,000 square acres in northeast Clark County for more than 20 years without his payment of grazing fees.

 

Neil Kornze, director of the BLM, made the following statement this morning:

 

"As we have said from the beginning of the gather to remove illegal cattle from federal land consistent with court orders, a safe and peaceful operation is our number one priority. After one week, we have made progress in enforcing two recent court orders to remove the trespass cattle from public lands that belong to all Americans.

 

"Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.

 

"We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner.

 

Ranching has always been an important part of our nation’s heritage and continues throughout the West on public lands that belong to all Americans. This is a matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public lands ranchers do every year. After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially."

 

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Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:04 | 4651945 Fred C Dobbs
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I think the infowars team broke this story.  The alternative media is the media now.      www.infowars.com        www.prisonplanet.com

 

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:47 | 4651887 Captain Benny
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Feds drew their guns on hundreds of protesters.

 

Nevada Shooters forum has live updates: http://www.nevadashooters.com/showthread.php?t=51609&page=37

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:30 | 4651989 Captain Benny
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The BLM is leaving the scene only now at 2:11PM PST... nearly a hundred brand new cars and trucks.  But they cant afford to manage the feral horses overgrazing the land.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:41 | 4652650 Volkodav
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Spend more than the amount they claim he owes...

produce nothing, and interfere with those who do....

its always the same, only worse

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:55 | 4651912 SilverRhino
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Reports are saying that the Feds have at least one AH-64 Apache in the area.  

WHAT THE FUCK???  

How the hell did DHS / BLM or the fucking FBI get their hands / tasking assignment authority for a goddamned Apache against a citizen family of this country?????????????? 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:54 | 4652094 countryboy42
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There is a MRAP in New Braunfels, TX, plus at least two other armoured vehicles in the area. Which brings me to my question, should I build a .416 Barret, or a .408 Chey Tac?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:19 | 4652158 SilverRhino
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Neither ... build a 50 BMG and buy API ammo ... penetrates like AP and starts fires.   3 bucks a round because no one wants it as it starts fires on ranges.    Practice with Ball, sight in with AP (nail down your trajectory), keep I and API for fighting.

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:05 | 4652299 DoChenRollingBearing
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A fun place for beginners like me to learn about big bore, high-accuracy rifles.

http://onlylongrange.com/

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:18 | 4652553 countryboy42
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DoChen,

I have read your posts for years.

I build rifles for a living.

I am just wondering what the hubs of the armour around here would take.

Thank you for the link.If you can buy it, get "Precission shoothing at 1000 yards". Interesting things start tp happen past 600 yds. Check out the .26 Nosler. Just got the reamer and headspace gage in.

Edit: BTW, is the Winnie the Pooh statue still around in Lima?

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:22 | 4652934 Brutlstrudl
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"Oh, Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:34 | 4652970 DoChenRollingBearing
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Oh, that's good!  I'll send that quotation to my daughter sometime.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:24 | 4652940 Brutlstrudl
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"Oh, Bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:42 | 4652987 DoChenRollingBearing
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countryboy42 , re your edit re Winnie the Pooh in Lima.

Frig me!  I just googled that (sez it's there) because I had never heard of it before!  I have been to Lima so many times and never even knew!  We will go again in June, and I'll have to go and check it out.

Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention.

(EDIT: recall that Paddington Bear was supposed to be from "darkest Peru")

***

Re big guns and armor, hey, I am a beginner!  I would not know how far an AP round in a .30-06 or larger would go.

I can field-strip and clean my AK and my 9 mm Beretta, and that's about it.  Other than shoot them.

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:47 | 4652673 SilverRhino
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DoChen:  Actually I have one of their rifles (not 50BMG) .... let me introduce you to a BETTER 50BMG .... 

http://www.safetyharborfirearms.com/index.php/products/shtf-uppers 

No FFL forms required to pick this little bad boy up and it snaps onto an AR-15 lower.  

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:46 | 4653005 DoChenRollingBearing
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I visted Noreen last September.  Now with my shoulder bothering me (months now...), I am NOT going to go out and buy me a monster rifle.  Their .338 Lapua is what caught my attention while I was on the internet one day a while back.

Man-sized mammalian targets at 1000 + yards?  No problem! 

[with the right skill set]

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 02:18 | 4653316 SilverRhino
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You can do that all day long with their BN36 in 30-06 and a heavy bullet.   That's what I have.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 09:53 | 4653759 ImReady
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Thanks for the link! Definitely getting one of those! Any risk of damage to the AR lowwer with repeated use?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 11:54 | 4654053 SilverRhino
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IMReady:  Not really but I wouldnt put my favorite lower on it.   The trigger group they send with it also reduces the pull on the trigger to around 4 pounds.  They did that kit right.  Mag felt bolt action  50BMG and reasonably portable for under $2500?  SOLD. 

Oh and get the 22" barrel .... MUCH lighter, much handier and easier to carry.

 

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:14 | 4651984 kchrisc
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"Prison?!"
You spelled guillotine incorrectly.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:31 | 4652034 HardAssets
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They don't want the meme to get out among the American people that the whole system is corrupt from top to bottom. America has been sold out by criminal traitors on so many different fronts. It happened because not enough of us paid enough attention through the years.

We're paying attention now.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:13 | 4652912 Brutlstrudl
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Aw C'mon, It was a co incidence

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:14 | 4651749 90's Child
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Just remember what happened at Ruby Ridge...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:19 | 4651775 ebworthen
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F.B.I. Sniper shot dead an unarmed Mother holding her child in the doorway of her home.

If that doesn't tell you .gov is now a Fascist Police State, nothing will.

Waco and the slaughter of Women and Children with tanks too.

They ought to just be honest and brandish the Swastika.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:47 | 4651870 agent default
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Yeah, but what became of it.  Nothing.  We are the skeptical free thinking 1% up against the indoctrinated brainwashed  98% that is thinking and doing just as they are told by the financial 1%.  It could go down like Waco or Ruby ridge, but don't expect anything material out of it. I don't think this time will be different.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:07 | 4652310 cherry picker
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I saw photos of the charred victims, many of them minors desrving of the governments protection.

Janet Reno, Bill Clinton should be charged.  This was far worse than Monica.

An Clinton collects speaking fees like some kind of hero.

The branch davidions may be a cult, but they weren't going out killing anyone, until the FBI swat team showed up and invaded them.

Why didn't a sheriff just walk up to the front door?  The cops are more scared than the civilians.

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:16 | 4652916 Brutlstrudl
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She was behind the door. Lon Horiuchi couldn't even see her. She had a baby in her arms

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:42 | 4652991 ebworthen
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Sure, whatever, that makes it all better, WTF?

Snipers are allowed to shoot at what they can't see?

They killed a little boy too, they are Nazi's, out of control fascists.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 09:27 | 4653703 phaedrus1952
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Horiuchi was 650 feet away when he put a bullet into the head of Vicki Weaver who was standing behind a door that had glass as the top half.  Killer Horiuchi has testified in court that he could place a round within a quarter inch at 200 yards.

Vicki Weaver, shot while holding her infant daughter in her arms, had only the day before seen her 14 year old son shot in the back and killed.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:30 | 4651814 nmewn
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Yes.

The militia's would be well advised to not all bed down at the ranch. When you've got BLM snipers on the ridges it might be better (tactically) to have counter-snipers outside the ranch...ya know, rabbit hunting or some such.

Sayin ;-)

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:13 | 4651923 Uncle Remus
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Lots of skittish varmints out there in the desert you know. Get too close and they go to ground. Jus' sayin'...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:47 | 4652000 The Gooch
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There are plenty within a stones throw.

Nationwide, even. 

4GW. Know the agencies, know the statists that work for them.

The Gooch From 4/10

Harry Reid. Wait for it...

 4645669

Here's a link to the crony law firm with Dirty Harry's son Rory Reid, Drunken "They better have funeral plans" county commisioner (police union chief) Collins and some other asshole.

http://www.lionelsawyer.com/index.cfm?page_id=5&page=attorney_profile&at... big happy chi-com family in Nevada. 

Here's Rory's email - rreid@lionelsawyer.com

Give him a call and let him know how much you appreciate Chi-Com solar farms-  702(702702-383-8836

Edit: This should have been a post in real time all week, Tylers.

Weaksauce. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:16 | 4651760 PlusTic
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preferably a super-max with tons of horny gang members looking for some fresh white meat!   let his ass bleed a while for his crimes against humanity!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:21 | 4651784 Clever Name
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Yes, why no mention of the Chinese solar plant/facility in this article?

If the governor really wanted to stop this, he would call in the authorities (the Guard?), no?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:36 | 4651836 Yen Cross
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  The fucking RATs wouldn't even chew on Harry Reids worthless carcass. Take that POS and throw him in 'Yucca Mountain' where he belongs, with all the other toxic waste!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:03 | 4652122 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1, well stated.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:35 | 4652044 WillyGroper
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Right after they stick a white hot cattle prod square up his A$$ sideways!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:27 | 4652174 drendebe10
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...and where the frack is the fossil relic Reid in akl this given his responsibikity for Nevada citizrns?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:10 | 4652325 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Too good for Dirty Harry.

How about a viper pit? I know, cruelty to animals, but have to do something.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:32 | 4652613 tempo
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Let the old fart die in peace. Cut off water, electricity, freeze bank accounts and all supplies to the area and supporter. In a few years, he and his supporter will be gone. No guns please.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:54 | 4652870 chemystical
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"BLM Director Neil Kornze."

Oy, what a cohencidence.  Can't these Ziofucks get a job in Hollywood or ESPN? 

http://texasgopvote.com/sites/default/files/neil-kornze.jpg

kristallnacht the sequel can't happen fast enough for me, and it had best start at the top

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 07:35 | 4653513 silvermail
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Ukraine, Slavyansk, right sector kills people with automatic weapons. Fire was opened in both sides of the conflict - as it was earlier in Kiev. It is false flag of 100%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RWW0No0Kdw

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 07:59 | 4653531 TeMpTeK
Sun, 04/13/2014 - 08:24 | 4653560 Flagit
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A Lunatic
Throw Harry Reid in fucking prison......

 

better yet,

since Reid is behind this whole mess, i think we should dip him in a molten vat of his jew gold.

we can then have a living statue of his last moments of a life dedicated to greed. we will call it, "Golden Boy".

Senator Harry Greed

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 10:41 | 4653879 20834A
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Bundy Ranch redux. The next battle?   https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152735638969167

 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:51 | 4655378 Croesus
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Prediction: 

When ZH runs their "Most read/viewed stories of 2014" article, this one will be within the top 3, if not #1. As of this moment, 92K reads, 1078 comments...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:08 | 4651722 spinone
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"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so,
a well organized and armed militia is their best security."
   
Thomas Jefferson

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:18 | 4651771 McMolotov
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Shirley he was talking only about hunting.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:41 | 4651860 EvlTheCat
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"I am serious... and don't call me Shirley."

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:10 | 4651730 q99x2
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I think Harry Reid found some other Mississippi sinkhole to sell the Chinese so everything is ok now.

FED globalists went back to doubling down on Ukraine pipelines.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:25 | 4652591 Volkodav
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well....VV Putin rides a horse on those steppes...

I sense common ground among these defenders 

btw master horsemanship was born with the Scythians who settled the steppes...and on to now what is Germany/Europe

"The Russians are slow to saddle up, but ride fast"  Otto Von Bismarck

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:11 | 4651733 Gringo Viejo
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God bless all BOTG patriot responders. If there's a Heaven, I'm sure Sam Adams and Tom Jefferson are wearing big, shit-eating grins right about now.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:16 | 4651735 Doña K
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When first blood is drawn and a fed dies, I want to see what jury will convinct.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:59 | 4652109 Bad Attitude
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A jury composed of FSA that worship the ground Dear Leader walks on.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:48 | 4652247 Deepskyy
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I hate to be the voice of hope, but don't be so sure on this one.  Remember, 11 members from Waco were acquitted of murder charges when BJ Billy Clinton was in office.  And he was a true black President!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 22:03 | 4652890 chemystical
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Re acquitting Waco murderers (and one - Gen Wesley Clark - later for President):

One of the Waco murderers was FBI sniper Lon Horuchi who moved on to later murder Randy Weaver's wife.  Same guy.  No coincidence. 

"It's my job" will be the justification offered by the wranglers hired to steal the cattle.  FUCK YOU.  "Cattle rustlers will be hanged" might well be the justification if no nail gun can be found

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:04 | 4653045 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1, excellent comment and info.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 04:51 | 4653411 Disenchanted
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Point of order chemystical...it was the other way around. 1st Weaver's wife(1992) then Waco(1993).

But I do like the cut of your jib. ;p

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:11 | 4651736 Confundido
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Sorry, but neither this nor the news from Ukraine made it to cnn.com. Therefore, they are not relevant. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:16 | 4651761 Gringo Viejo
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Excellent sarcasm Con. 5 snaps to you.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:37 | 4651844 IridiumRebel
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CNN.....they changed their name to MH370 weeks ago. No one watches them and if they were not the mouthpiece of the State Dept. they'd wither into obscurity.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4651737 eatthebanksters
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Sure thing Neil...I bet most of those 16,000 law abiding ranchers are happy as shit that you guys folded your fucking tent and went home....how does it feel to be a douchebag?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:12 | 4651740 yogibear
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If the Feds kill one of these people it could be enough of a spark to get others Fed-Up with the corruption in DC.

Even with MSNBC and CNN behind him Reid could create a purpose for those in the sorry state of hopelessness. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:14 | 4651748 NOMO
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What is missing here is the fact that he owes 900k plus in grazing fees. Not saying the fees are right or wrong / warranted or not / just saying - he owes the money. Since 1993 he stopped paying. There is something to that fact. Now on the flip side - his familiy has homesteaded and used the land since the 1800's before the Fed's seized it - complicated at best -

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:17 | 4651767 Doña K
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He stopped paying when they pulled his permit for a silly reason 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:18 | 4651768 The Abstraction...
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I guess if he has 1kg of precious metals, the govtards owe him 1000k in manipulation compensation.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:29 | 4651810 Omen IV
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the fee structure is arbitrary and capricious designed to get rid of the rancher - economic value of the land hasnt been determined -

BLM is playing games !

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:33 | 4651823 Iam_Silverman
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"complicated at best"

More than you can imagine!  His family has used the land for beneficial purpose since before the Federal Government laid claim to it.  It actually should be under the management of the State of Nevada, as was the original intent, but since they never exerted their claim the FedGov stepped in and decided to manage it under their BLM.  Now, Cliven has attempted to pay the state for the usage of the land - the correct owner.  Compare and contrast this to the current concerns of homeowners now under the confusion of MERS.  Who do you pay to ensure that the rightful mortgage holder receives their due monies?  Will you ever be able to get clear title - or in this case your grazing rights?

In my opinion, since he and his family have "squatted" on this land for so long, and he has maintained it and used it as his own for so long - the law of Adverse Possession should grant him the grazing rights - if not downright ownership.  If they deprive him of these rights - he is due money under a takings finding (already established by a lower court in his favor).

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:37 | 4651834 A Lunatic
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He has prior usage rights that predate most modern "laws" concerning modern land use restrictions. Restricting his use of historic range land in any manner contrary to previous historic agreements in accordance with the laws of the State of Nevada is improper and unjust. The fact that the BLM can find a few crooked judges to legislate from the bench in their favor is nothing short of fraud. This time the FEDs fucked with someone who understands his rights and will not back down from exercising them. I see Sharpton (among others I'm sure ZH could, and probably should, name) owes half again as much money in back taxes as this poor rancher "owes" the American public. Where's the outrage?? Where are the door busting stormtroopers.........??

Fucking crickets........

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:07 | 4651955 grekko
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Bravo!  Two thumbs up!  As far as I'm concerned, he has the grandfather clause working for him.  Let them cows stay and eat.  To hell with the BLM tyrants.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:19 | 4652004 logicalman
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Knowing how US government works, they'll ban his cattle from grazing and then put out a contract for some government crony to cut the fucking grass because it's getting too long for the tortoises.

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:08 | 4652134 DoChenRollingBearing
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A Lunatic

+ 1, fucking right.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:56 | 4652237 EvlTheCat
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What is missing here is you have not taken the time to search beyond the Lame Stream Media.  The ranchers in this area took their case to court (over the supposed damage to the turtle pupulation), and the BLM realized they were going to loose the case.  Pulled out of it, and told the ranchers they were going to do what ever the hell they wanted.  He stopped paying his taxes to the Federal Government and tried to pay them to the Nevada county commissioner, but they would not take the money.  After this, he stopped paying in protest to the overstepping of the Federal Government.

Don't demonize the man for not paying tribute money to the BLM, when they don't play by the rule of law.

Here check this other case out dealing with the same subject, BLM and Forest Service conspiracy to deprive ranchers of vested property rights.  Yea, really great people.

http://www.tsln.com/agliving/farmingandranching/6881368-111/story.html

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:14 | 4651753 ebworthen
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"The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially."

Yeah right.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:18 | 4651772 debtor of last ...
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The black swan flew over Clark County first.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:19 | 4651774 The Joker
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Did somebody say "CryFreedomGhettos"....

http://www.inspirationgreen.com/index.php?q=planned-opolis.html

They are phasing beef out.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:24 | 4651790 Caveman93
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Chickenshit Feds. Not one shot fired by the Feds and they brought all that hardware too. So much for that. Now we know they're afraid. God bless Amendment #2.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:35 | 4651832 beefman
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They didnt fire because the the protestors were not Black/Brown or Hispanic. Thats why. They will be back. He did not pay his bill so he will be guilty he is dumb enough to give them a reason and then play the goverment is attacking me card. More of the same Weak people able to dish it out but cant take it.

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:37 | 4651843 Winston Churchill
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Names and addresses of BLM staff on the internet may well have had a lot to do with

their sudden change of heart as well.

Their families are their achilles heel, not nice, but very effective.

Assymetricral warfare is something they cannot win.We know who they are,us,

not so much.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:59 | 4651926 SilverRhino
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Fuck being nice at this point.   Nice gets you assfucked ... 

The next civil war will not have pitched battles; it will be a war of assassins against the feds and the families of the feds. 

 

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 23:12 | 4653067 Two-bits
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We will visit pain upon them a hundred fold for the crimes against the people. Bankers nailed to telephone poles will be a common sight. 

 

Cougar_w sharpen your axe.  You are on deck.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:00 | 4652719 falconflight
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+100

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:48 | 4652073 HardAssets
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@Caveman93  - paraphrase from that Ant movie they did a few years back - Said by the parasite evil bad guy:

 

"They out number us a hundred to one. If they ever figure that out, our way of life is ended."

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:24 | 4651791 TheRideNeverEnds
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Went to go flying today and guess what I saw.

 

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1687.html

 

Its happening. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4651797 Caveman93
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So what happens by May 11 at 1434?

Effective Date(s):     From April 11, 2014 at 2140 UTC     To May 11, 2014 at 1434 UTC
Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:33 | 4651826 TheRideNeverEnds
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They dispatch this domestic terrorist and declare victory. 

 

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:35 | 4651833 Iam_Silverman
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"So what happens by May 11 at 1434"

I'm sure that by then the drones will have safely returned to base after starting a range fire that unfortunately killed a bunch of cattle and some restless cattlemen.  They must be hoping for thunderstorms before then to "blame it on lightning".

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:47 | 4651886 Winston Churchill
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That was done before the dirt on Reid was exposed.

The whole congress should be in jail, but I fear  the pollution of the

morals of  convicts,so summary execution after a speedy trial would do better.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4651799 Lumberjack
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How many ranchers were fucked by Jon Corzine and got away with it?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:26 | 4651800 ciscokid
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Hold your gold tight, the shit is about to hit the fan.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:32 | 4651812 Yen Cross
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   Putin must have a 10 foot boner right now! (distractions...distractions aplenty.

  It must be that lunar<> Mars-Earth alignment thingy-dingy?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:33 | 4651825 Gusher
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Clive Bundy is a bit of a nut.  It isn't 1870 anymore. That said, Bundy is woefully underemployed as cattle rancher. He would be a much better Governor of Nevada, since the current governor is gutless.  Or Presdient of the U.S., as Bundy understands the big picture.  I will admit that Bundy doesn't have the right to run his cattle all over the dang state.  Now when will the Fed Government admit that the cattle are harmless to the turtle? This is about something else.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:36 | 4651839 beefman
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It's always about something else.

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:38 | 4651850 Iam_Silverman
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" Now when will the Fed Government admit that the cattle are harmless to the turtle?"

Are you kidding?  I am always having to pull turtles and terrapins out of the mouth of my cattle.  Dang things chase 'em down and chew them up like range cubes!

Satire, for the humorously challenged on this site.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:01 | 4652722 eatthebanksters
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Watch our for those post turtles!  They're like politicians....you have no idea where they came from, where they are going, or how they got there...

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:04 | 4651946 Uncle Remus
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.

It isn't 1870 anymore.

Well, maybe it oughta be.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:33 | 4652041 mumcard
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It'll be more 1873...as in Winchester.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:53 | 4652090 kill switch
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Coming to a neighborhood near you soon............

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:33 | 4651827 Obama_4_Dictator
Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:53 | 4651903 Bobportlandor
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Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab

http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-...

FU Clitions, Pelosis, Reeds.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:39 | 4651852 Tinky
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Designated free speech "areas" – fuck you.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:29 | 4652028 RafterManFMJ
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Yea this really is a nation of shit. I'm preying right now for a real hard rain to come and wash them into the gutters...and I do believe 2014 will be the year.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:39 | 4651855 besnook
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the internet takes down another incidence of .gov corruption. the internet must go. it cannot be allowed to undermine the smooth functioning of the greatest nation in the history of the world. internet terrorists should be given 3 hots and a cot for having the nerve to try to change the power structure by asserting ephemeral rights are god given permanent rights not subject to .gov issuance or restrictions. fools.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:42 | 4651868 IridiumRebel
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Long paper notes and secret knocks.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:54 | 4651906 Yen Cross
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 You forgot "Carrier Pigeons" IR.

 "When it almost needs to be there last night..."

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:59 | 4651925 IridiumRebel
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Speaking of which, these militia men would be wise to invest in drones.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:10 | 4651972 Yen Cross
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   I'm guessing they have that axiom covered. They just haven't got enough spare parts in yet...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:13 | 4651978 besnook
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i used to love writing with a number 2 pencil. do they still make those things or are they special order now?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:24 | 4652019 IridiumRebel
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Yep! I own a few but fucked up my iPlague writing on it.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:46 | 4651882 reader2010
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This can be just a distraction.  Something much sinister will be implemented somewhere else. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:16 | 4652286 Lore
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EVERYWHERE else. Where in your community can you look and NOT see it?  I'm not that old, and I'm amazed at how quickly things are being corrupted. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:56 | 4651914 PacOps
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch

Mythbusting

Despite the obvious partisan gain to be had if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s son Rory (a failed 2010 Nevada gubernatorial candidate) had somehow been involved in a “land grab” affecting the Bundy family ranch operation—the facts just do not pan out as such. Indeed, Rory Reid did in fact have a hand in plans to reclassify federal lands for renewable energy developments. Just northeast of Las Vegas and Nellis Air Force Base, plans were drawn by Reid allies to potentially develop 5,717 acres of land for such use. While it would be fair to claim that such activity was in Bundy’s relative neighborhood, the federal lands once leased by the family were more than 20 miles away, east of Overton, Nevada. Contrasting maps offered by InfoWars and those entered into federal court record prove such a theory to be a stretch.

 

Much more with court documents. Good read.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:59 | 4651929 seek
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The BLM has been pulling documents offline in near real-time, so I wouldn't necessarily count on the whole story being presented correctly by either side at this point.

It is safe to say, though, that the BLM suppressing information that was freely available on their own site until just a couple days ago is shady as hell.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:34 | 4652042 Ms. Erable
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Let's also throw in the inconvenient little factoid from that continuously ignored legal document, the Constitution, that prohibits the Feral Gubbermint from owning land, save for purposes of arms depots and/or erecting forts (military bases, for those of you who are anachronistically challenged) - and that only with the permission/granting of said land by the state in which it's located. So, how did a corporate entity that paid nothing, developed nothing, and knows nothing assume supposedly lawful title, water, mineral, and airspace rights to ANY lands outside of Creech AFB, Nellis AFB, and NAS Fallon in the sovereign state of Nevada?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:18 | 4652155 WarPony
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Study your Nevada history.  Nevada became a State on land owned by the USA, it was known as the Nevada territory. After statehood was achieved, the Nevada legislature started the Sagebrush Rebellion, reclaiming 70% of Nevada from fed ownership.  Bundy's land still belonged to the Federal Government. We the US taxpayer fed his multi-million dollar herd feed bill for twenty years - he's a FREE-LOADER. Now go do a standoff for the EBT folks.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:52 | 4652258 Volkodav
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If you think taxpayer owns it or will get anything from transition from cattle to supposed turtle ranch, then are another useful idiot.

No one with any logic or reason think this about turtles...

Similar was by Soviet ...became governent land, you know....

What they finally did to the "Kulaks" after the creative mild pressures was resisted...

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:54 | 4652702 falconflight
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This imo is where so many fail to connect the dots.  History, especially socialist history repeats, every effing time.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:23 | 4652358 Lore
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Now go do a standoff for the EBT folks.

Oooo. The "WarPony" shows his stripes.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:53 | 4652696 falconflight
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I think they're blue with a wee bit o' black.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:58 | 4652879 WarPony
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Well, look at all the hypocrites. A free-loading rancher is OK, but damn those welfare moochers.  

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 13:54 | 4654349 pickupthatcan
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Does stupid shit come out of your mouth naturally or do you have to work at it?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:22 | 4652585 usednabused
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Well WarPony, If I'm truly a owner and entitled to compensation for his use of the land, being a taxpayer here, I say let him graze his herd there for free. Fact is I'm still waiting for the first nickle from any of the other 16000 ranchers cited above. Also, how did the USA Corp you mention get title to that land to begin with? I'm not familiar with Nevada history, but where I'm from they simply killed off most of the indeginous people and send the remainder to reservations, declaring themselves owner of the land! And you sit there claiming that thieves and murderers are rightful owners while people who live on and work the land are FREELOADERS. Fuck You asshole

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:52 | 4652855 WarPony
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Take it up with your legislature and in the meantime be thankful your not under Hitler's legacy, or speaking Chinese yet.

And right back at you - fuck YOU idiot.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 01:19 | 4653252 TheMeatTrapper
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What's the matter WarPony? Pissed off that your precious Feds turned tail and ran like a bunch of fucking pussies? lol. Get used to it little boy. There's a lot more of that to come. 

You statist FedGov cock suckers days are numbered. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 00:30 | 4653198 Terminus C
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Don't feed the trolls.

 

This dude is posting the same meme on multiple accounts.

 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:38 | 4652208 El Vaquero
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The land grab wasn't about the solar plant directly.  It was about "mitigating" the effects of the solar plant by setting aside *different* land as what would fundamentally be a wilderness area. From BLM's Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, Technical Note 444, page 29:

 

The mitigation actions temporary proposed will locations loss mitigate regional
 of some
 and
 for the
of the resources that will occur
as a result of solar development
in the Dry Lake SEZ (e.g., loss of
creosote-bursage vegetation, loss
of general and BLM special status
species habitat, loss of cryptobiotic
soil crusts and desert pavement,
and loss of the ecosystem services
these resources provide). The
BLM Southern Nevada District
Office considered several regional
mitigation action alternatives. The
suite of potential mitigation actions
were generated by soliciting
proposals from the public and
from BLM staff in the district. The
proposals included:
•    Restoring disturbed land in
several ACECs and one national
conservation area in the vicinity
of the Dry Lake SEZ.
•    Preventing further degradation
in several ACECs and one
national conservation area in the
vicinity of the Dry Lake SEZ.
•    Acquiring private land in the
vicinity of the Dry Lake SEZ and
managing it for conservation
values.
The following proposed
mitigation locations were screened
and given a preliminary ranking
using criteria based on the regional
mitigation goals described in
Section 2.5. The results of the
ranking are summarized in the
screening table for candidate
regional mitigation locations for the
Dry Lake SEZ (Appendix D):

Gold Butte ACEC.
Mormon Mesa ACEC.
Coyote Springs ACEC.
Piute-Eldorado Valley ACEC.
Coyote Springs ACEC, plus
adjacent lands as proposed by
the The Nature Conservancy.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:51 | 4652690 falconflight
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Tip me hat Sir!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 16:56 | 4651915 Philalethian
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Waiting for the cows to come home!@

 

http://www.ustream.tv/AlexJonesLive

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:10 | 4652136 Uncle Remus
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Why AZ legislators? 'Cause the AZ hills are alive with the sound of the 2nd amendment.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:36 | 4652199 seek
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And the 10th is pretty popular around here, too.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:04 | 4651918 TomGa
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Bundy Ranch faceflop page:  https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch

KLAS-TV Las Vegas:  http://www.8newsnow.com/category/5548/news

Nevada Highway Patrol - Live Audio Feed:  http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/14431/web

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:02 | 4651934 JR
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The spark that created a firestorm at the ranch northeast of Las Vegas came from one man – Cliven Bundy -- who refused to bend. Take heed those who believe Americans are sheeple... because the tyranny has advanced the heroes.

All week long we prayed for men to stand against the most major assault on free speech since WWII, the Mozilla Firefox silencing of its CEO because of his personal beliefs.

And it's happening. Brendan Eich, who chose to leave Mozilla rather than to bend is another hero along with Bundy that may change the landscape.

“In the end,” Orwell’s character in 1984 exclaimed, “we shall make thought crime literally impossible because there will be no words in which to express it.”

Bundy and Eich have forced the tyrant’s hand.

What fools most Americans have been, until now, to think that censorship of the mind could not happen here. Yet, how else to explain the cowardly silence from the vast Internet hierarchy in Silicon Valley as one of its CEOs, Brendan Eich, was forced out of the giant company he co-founded and his career destroyed because he once contributed $1000 to a ballot measure homosexuals opposed.

The reign of thought police is now so entrenched that the president of the United States who had the same views on marriage as the ousted CEO doesn’t dare speak on the issue or warn Americans of this danger or he would suffer the blows sure to come from his gay mafia supporters.

How can free speech survive when the culture refuses to provide it support…when the Internet industry adds a small political contribution or an individual’s religious belief to its litmus test for executives?

And now the tentacles of the thought police are already present throughout the land. Columnist John Fund, for example, relates the case of Angela McCaskill, the first African-American woman to earn a PHD at Gallaudet University in Washington, DC, a school for the deaf and hard of hearing. In 2012, she was one of 2000 people to sign a petition in support of a referendum challenging a law that recognizes gay marriages in Maryland where she lived.

McCaskill’s signature on the petition became public when the Washington Blade posted a data base online outing all those who had signed it. Even though her signature indicated only that she wanted the decision on gay marriage to be made by the people and not by the legislature and the governor…she was placed on administrative leave from her position at Gallaudet as Deputy to the President and Associate Provost for Diversity and Inclusion and Chief Diversity Officer.

After a huge backlash, she was restored to her position with less authority and with the Deputy to the President title removed.

Orwell, 1984: “Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery is torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but MORE merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain. The old civilizations claim that they were founded on love and justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy---everything.”

Homosexuals, with fewer than 2% of the U.S. population,* have absolutely no political power on their own. They are a key chess piece in the strategy of the rulers using government and media to override their most formidable hurdle: an American middle class committed to individual rights, the opportunity for growing its wealth based on justice and free choice; opponents of socialism and internationalism, patriots for national sovereignty and an undying commitment to raising its future generations in health, virtue, opportunity and freedom.

The homosexual agenda is the sword to pierce the middle class norm. And major media, Hollywood, both political parties, the courts, universities, teachers unions and a host of activist groups are all on board. Under it all, the rulers with their control of America’s currency are posed to finish off their enemy.

But while the game has entered its final inning, the side of virtue has yet to make its major play. And with the joining of the gay marriage agenda to this last assault on free speech, the currency printing machine just might not be able to put this game away.

*Surveys show a shockingly high fraction think a quarter of the country is gay or lesbian, when the reality is that it's probably less than 2 percent.—The Atlantic, Americans Have No Idea How Few Gay People There Are, May 31, 2012 

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:19 | 4652002 czarangelus
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Yeah, you're right you dumb son of a bitch. It's got nothing to do with oligarchs and bankers and corrupt Pentagon officials. It's the gays who are to blame for everything!

Fuck right off.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:53 | 4652093 resurger
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No its fuck you.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:23 | 4652006 nostromo17
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Little gay digression there, eh JR?

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:12 | 4652142 Uncle Remus
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Well, there's gay and then there's a lifestyle, the latter being a choice.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:48 | 4652677 falconflight
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Adolph and the Brownshirts certainly had no discernable problem w/ the homosexual infused leadership of the SA, until the game was between the SA and SS.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 21:52 | 4652859 Calmyourself
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I hear some long knives took care of that conundrum, those same long knives are coming here.  Except who shall they be pointed at, I wonder who becomes politically expendable and their demise profitable  in the next few years from the bankster perspective of course..

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:01 | 4651935 rational
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A great opportunity to round up a bunch of gun toting crazies, not just cattle!

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:09 | 4651964 Uncle Remus
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By "gun toting crazies" you mean the BLM brownshirts...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:45 | 4652067 kill switch
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That man is a government infiltrator////shill pay no attention low information agitator...

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 18:28 | 4652178 TheMeatTrapper
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"A great opportunity to round up a bunch of gun toting crazies, not just cattle!"

lol  - Doesn't seem to have worked out that way, has it tough guy?

Statist coward or .gov troll - your type is all the same to me. The tide is turning fella - and YOU are on the wrong side. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:06 | 4651953 Fred C Dobbs
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I would like to see a movement in this country to defund the BLM and the ATF.  They are private armies using public money. 

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:08 | 4651958 Uncle Remus
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It's possible somebody high-up in the BLM may have realized their own people (or contractors) posed the greater risk of firing the first shot than the civilians.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:15 | 4651988 seek
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It's also possible the higher-ups at the BLM weren't convinced their people would follow orders. At least in my area, even the BLM guys aren't exactly brainwashed into thinking the feds are 100% right. When the budget shutdown happened and they were ordered to shut down public access, quite a few confessed privately it was complete bullshit. So, they might have been willing to put up a few barricades, but less than willing to shoot citizens.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:21 | 4652008 A Lunatic
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It is interesting to observe just how peaceful, patient, forgiving and respectful all us hillbilly, redneck, gun toting right-wing Wacko's are isn't? No hate, no vitriol, no indiscriminate killing. I think the gun control crowd must get their information from the same sources at the global warming cabal....

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 17:40 | 4652053 mumcard
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Yeah, videos of burned contractors hanging in Iraq is one thing, but in Nevada (or even better Las Vegas) it'd be a whole new ball game.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 19:37 | 4652413 Lore
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God forbid.

Sat, 04/12/2014 - 20:10 | 4652543 mumcard
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This isn't the magical kingdom where bad things can't happen.  When that thin veneer of civilization gets peeled back there is going to be a lot of rage unleashed. 

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