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Guest Post: If It's Such A Privelege, Why Do They Have To Stick A Gun In Your Face?

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

Two. Billion. Hours.

That’s how much time people in the Land of the Free waste each year preparing and filing their tax forms to the IRS– roughly 13 hours for each of the ~150 million individual returns filed.

And if you’re doing your own taxes this weekend, it may certainly seem like you’ve spent that 2 billion hours yourself just preparing your 1040.

To put this number in perspective, two billion hours is roughly the time it would take to walk to Uranus and back… which is a bit ironic given where you’d probably like to tell Mr. Obama to go stick his tax forms right about now.

Now, I’m not going to tell you today that taxes are illegal. Nor will I tell you that you don’t have to file.

I think taxes are morally reprehensible. Taxes rob an entire population of its financial resources in favor of a tiny political elite that has a long-term track record of incompetence and deceit.

Unfortunately, though, this humiliating exercise is forcibly perpetrated at gunpoint. So not filing your taxes can lead to very bad consequences. Just ask Richard Hatch.

As you may recall, Richard was the very first winner of the reality show Survivor.

What you probably don’t know is that Richard spent several years in prison on charges of “attempted tax evasion.”

I was astounded when he told me that ATTEMPTED tax evasion is a crime in the Land of the Free. It sounds more like Thoughtcrime.

People are brainwashed into believing that taxes are a ‘privilege’, and the “price we pay for civilized society.”

But if the society is so civilized, and it’s such a privilege, then why do they have to threaten people at the point of a gun?

It’s because the value proposition is completely upside down. Whether in the US, France, England, Spain, or Italy, people pay out the nose for taxes… and get very little in return.

It’s like forking over fifty bucks for a Big Mac– it doesn’t make any sense. There has to be a balance between how much you pay and the value that you receive.

And everywhere you look these days, that value is in serious decline.

Increasing chunks of governments’ budgets are going just to pay interest on the debt… not to mention absurd domestic spying programs, or destructive wars to go (as George Carlin joked) “drop bombs on brown people” in foreign lands.

Think about it as you write that check to the government– are you getting any value?

A few hundred years ago, the Founding Fathers certainly didn’t think so. As Samuel Adams summed up in 1764, taxes made the colonists “tributary slaves” to the British government.

And the taxes that they were paying were almost nothing compared to what people pay today. They would be astounded to find citizens in “free societies” paying 40%, 50% of their -income-, plus property, estates, sales purchases, imports, etc. to a massively bloated government.

Let’s go back in time together and explore this further in this week’s Podcast Episode: Taxation without Consideration.

You can listen to or download it here:


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Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:34 | 4654950 Xibalba
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Again, if the US can print it's own currency, buy it's debt with it, and pay zero interest, why does it need to collect taxes? 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:36 | 4654952 Skateboarder
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So that you "shut the fuck up and stay down, bitch."

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:42 | 4654964 Thomas
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My brother is a tax accountant. He has a particularly dark view of the IRS agents (thugish punks who pick on little guys because they are easy victims.) When he tried to tell the IRS agent that the guy they were bullying "would be able to pay the penalties in his lifetime" the IRS agent responded, "He's young." A bullet in the head would seem appropriate. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:45 | 4654970 quintago
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Are you dense? The money being printed on it carries an interest rate. Taxes pay that interest. They can print into infinity, and we endorse the activity it by paying our taxes.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:27 | 4655049 Manthong
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But few folks have even a clue when and how the 2nd big scam happened (after the 1913 travesty).

“ FDR's solution was to convert the income tax from a class tax to a mass tax. Before World War II, fewer than 5 percent of Americans paid income taxes. "Too many people," Roosevelt lamented, "are earning money and not contributing to the government." 

The “progressives” and bankers had to subdue the American people before they could subdue the rest of the world.. both militarily and financially.

BTW.. they are having fabulous success mopping up now by destroying the few remnants of morality and ethics left in the culture.

We are not exceptional..  anymore.

Money in a wage slave society = freedom     How much freedom do you have left?


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:32 | 4655058 Manthong
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oh, and the other genius part of the scam was the institution in 1943, of the evil of imposing the burden of "withholding" taxes on employers and (happy) bankers, not to mention fooling the populace because they did not understand that the "pay-as-you-go" tax was outright theft.  

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:01 | 4655254 Crawdaddy
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The withholding tax, hand crafted by a high priest of the churchstate - Milton Friedman.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:05 | 4655675 Anusocracy
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The dupes of the world wear their servitude well.

They should be proud.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:14 | 4655588 Neo
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Withholding is voluntary (taxes labeled FICA & Medicare ) are not.


Check the box "EXEMPT", and read the law:  start here: 26 U.S. Code § 3401



Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:11 | 4655691 Manthong
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oh, cool.. maybe a sanctioned revolt is in order.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:39 | 4655760 TrollHurter
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The problem is, if you are one of the few with the nerve to do that, they will desrtoy your life and take your money.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:32 | 4655060 krispkritter
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I guess they aren't happy losing taxes to dead people either:

Fucking parasites, literally.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:52 | 4655959 Kobe Beef
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Generational Debt Slavery is a touchstone of the Feudal System.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:40 | 4655199 teslaberry
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while FDR was a consummate insider, if you go back and look at the history of the changes in the tax brackets 




the federal reserve is itself the creator of income tax policy that was created to milk the public at large. this obviously could not be achieved openly so the great lie of the 'progressive tax' was created to rationalize the legalization of the income tax. 


there is nothing 'wrong' with actuall progressive taxation. in reality progressive taxation is accomplished through property taxes, as wealth  istribution is mostly defined through property and capital and NOT INCOME so much. 

THUS the meme of 'progressive taxation' was created in order to destroy progressive taxation by pairing the meme of 'progressive taxation' with 'income taxation' and programming the public to think about 'progressive income' as the method of 'inequality' . 

it is not. the inequality of society is 95% + the inequality of property ownership. and this inequality of property ownership is INCREASED by the REGRESSIVE EFFECTS OF THE REAL WORLD APPLICATION OF  'PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX'  to effectuate a high level of taxation amongst the poor and middle classes and upper classes to create and OLIGARCH CLASS THAT FEEDS OFF OF GOVERNMENT PROTECTED PRIVATE RAQUETS, AS WELL AS GOVERNMENT WATERFALL OF CONTRACTING CASH. 



a few years after it was put into law, almost immidiately , the government started ratcheting up income tax rates on working poor from almost nothing to 6% and it kept going up from there through wartime. 

the history of the emergency world war 2 withholdings tax, the payroll taxes for social security, and the history of the "standard deduction" are all part of the history of ratcheting up taxes on working poor , peasants, and anyone who reports income who works for it ins't obscenely wealthy. 


if you raised the standard deduction to 50 grand per income earner.    this would go along way to relieving the middle class or what's left of it. payroll taxes should be considered sufficient 'INCOME" tax for people who work and aren't particularly high income earners. 

also a 50k standard deduction is a SIMPLE CHANGE TO THE TAX CODE. NO COMPLEXITIES TO GO WITH IT. not much 'other' things would have to be changed. 

you don't need to use boogie word policies such as 'flat tax' or 'tax reform' or other nonsense bullshit that will wind up either being a political non-starter or the converse---a baffle them with bullshit policy that gets voted into law for the explicit purpose of blocking meaningful change or worse, accomplishing a regressve result by way of masking it over with complexity ; for example the pro-corporate revenue stream produced by 'obamacare'. 


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:45 | 4655367 juggalo1
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Geez.  It seems like half I hear whining that too few people are paying taxes (too progressive), and now I'm hearing that it is too many.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:40 | 4655503 Manthong
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hmm..  1) all tax is confiscation / theft.. 

2) when the whining stops, be very afraid. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:39 | 4655633 Manthong
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“the federal income tax was voted in by the complete lie that it would be for the wealthy only”

Absolute fact.. and the key word is LIE.

Most recent example: Obamacare..

Um..  Medicare originally was a $500 MILLION (not billion program).

Um.. Social Security “Lock Box”

Um.. Medicaid.. Redistribution at its finest

Um.. I was pretty young when the Omnibus screw Reagan/Tip fat-slobbery demorat-white-hair/guy  O’Niel  bill was passed and did a job on the’ merican people.. but I knew that it could not possibly be good.—I hardly made anything then, but I saw my pay go down.

Well, I just hope those of you under 55 will enjoy the indenture.

Your parents and grandparents did it to you..

Unless you renounce the debt with absolute conviction

A bond is just a promise and sincerity is a matter of conviction.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:02 | 4655255 rubiconsolutions
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Taxes are the price we pay for civilization” - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

“Rape is the price women pay to avoid being murdered” - rubiconsolutions

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:46 | 4655510 Manthong
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I'm trying to think about something witty to say about violent homosexual gang rape but my posterior is too sore and I am broke now.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:44 | 4655673 Manthong
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um.. maybe that comment poked through several viscous levels I am not familiar with.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:52 | 4655111 All Risk No Reward
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Xibalba is a Muppet - thanks for directing him to the de-Muppetization shower to was off that ignorance.

Xibalba, THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T PRINT MONEY and it doesn't matter how many bubble heads on BanskterVision repeat this lie.


Read that as many times as you need to in order to comprehend it.



All those contradictions we see in society simply melt away into and comprehension washes over our minds....  like we put on They Live glasses.

The private supra-national banking cartel, along with their coterie of political operatives who do what they are told or bad things happen, ARE TRYING TO DESTROY THE NATION STATE AND PROP THEMSELVES UP AS THE WORLD CONTROLLERS...  THEY'VE SAID SO IN A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT PLACES BUT PEOPLE CAN'T BOTHER READING ANYTHING BUT TRASHY NOVELS.

"...the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations.""
~Carroll Quigley, CFR Historian, Tragedy and Hope

“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
? David Rockefeller

He's not doing that so you can rule over him, he's doing it so he can rule over you.  The following quote was sourced from a Bilderberg Meeting, where everyone is told to not reveal this sort of thing, but it has the ring of truth, IMHO...

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years......It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
? David Rockefeller

Everything in that statement is true and consistent with what Rockefeller Robber Baron interests have been manifesting for over a century.

“The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. ”
? Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

Got that - A DOMINATING ELITE.  That was the plan AND IT NOW MANIFESTED.  Corzine is above the law and unrestrained by any traditional values.  JP Morgan bribing Jefferson County to increase their sewer costs 10-fold...  only the county officials went to jail ("government went to jail, not their supra-national banking cartel masters) and Morgan kept the 10-fold bribery induced proceeds!

The government protects the Big Fish money launderers from being prosecuted, from having their $100s in billions in drug money laundering taxed (Capone was an outsider - competition - so he had to be taken out), from having their $100s of billions in drug money confiscated...  You can get the idea...

You think this government works to protect itself above the Money Power who selects, finances and promotes their operatives into public office?

You are wrong, homie, and you need to elevate your critical thinking skills because the lack thereof is the reason these criminals get away with their crimes.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:01 | 4655123 Xibalba
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Yo Dipshit!  I didn't say they printed 'money' I said they print the fucking notes.  And as far as the interest is concerned, who does the fed remit the interest to?  Dumb fucks.  Glad to see you can cut and paste, but I ain't your homie, bitch.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:31 | 4655328 acetinker
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Xi, ARNR is no dipshit.  Beyond that, I surmise that the "interest" is remitted to the Treasury, which in itself is a subsidiary of US Corp, which in turn, is a subsidiary of The Crown.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:03 | 4655407 Xibalba
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doesn't know the difference between currency and money... calls folks muppets for kicks?  sounds like a dipshit to me.    

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:32 | 4655747 acetinker
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OK, you're a goldbug, and that's cool.  I hold a li'l silver myself- I think it has better upside potential.

In this context, your insistance on arguing the money-vs-currency thing actually does make you a muppet.

You might wanna think a bit on what constitutes value to your fellow human inhabitants of this li'l blue ball.

It ain't gold.  Only oligarchs think that way.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:57 | 4655795 Manthong
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crud.. a clue.. 

silver (easier to trade)  and other hard assets will retain value as the SHTF ..

AND IT WILL HAPPEN .. but consider this..  two silver dimes will still trade for a gallon of gas as they did in 1960.

and.. gold is still the "money" of kings..  smaller, heavier, and easier to transport unless the TSA/STATE is in the way.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:15 | 4655924 All Risk No Reward
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Actually, you were way too general and nobody could possibly know what you what you based on what you said - and what you said is all that the reader has to go on.

So I did.  If you want to be understood in detail, communicate in detail.

So what if the Fed remits remits the interest it earns to the government - that's trivial to the overall big picture...  and yet you use the trivial as though it is some kind of big boy intellectual point.

That's a straw man argument as it only deals with a fraction of the problem that exposes the nonsense of your original argument (that the government borrowing money doesn't matter because it can print more money.

How much interest did the US government pay and how much interest did the Fed remit in 2013?  Were they equal?  No?  Right.  Not even close.

What happens when the Banksters call in all $4.5 trillion?  You have that in your couch, right?  What happens when all that worthless debt is finally recognized...  paid out to JP Morgan for 100 cents on the dollar?

You assertion that the debt system imposed by these criminals doesn't matter is a total fool's errand.  It's like some guy on Tatooine looking up and noting how the Death Star looked so pretty in the night sky.

The Debt Star is far more effective than the Death Star because the planet is not destroyed, rather, almost all it resources are transferred to the uzBanksterstan Empire - and empire which you apparently don't even know exists.

Let me guess, you think the government is sovereign and the most powerful force in society and they let a private cartel control the money, right?

I have news for you - the most powerful entity in a society controls the money...  BY DEFINITION.  Hint - it ain't government...  they lied to you in school...  the school curriculum was created by the same Robber Baron class...  John Taylor Gatto is your go to resource for that particular Bankster induced Rabbit Hole.

Ruminate on that claim and you'll eventually figure it out.

The main takeaway is that the debt money system matters (it is the most effective military weapon ever devised on Earth - it kills more people in a month than died in Hiroshima or Nagasaki) and the symptoms it imposes on governments are not trivial or laughing matters.

Debt will destroy all that was good about America...  if you are paying attention, you'll know that it is all pretty much gone now, it is just a matter of time between planning the stomping on the faces of Americans and actually executing it.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:48 | 4655775 Manthong
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really good rant.. thanks for the effort.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:34 | 4655334 kchrisc
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Why waste a bullet when a guillotine is reusable. Or "renewable" in the criminals' vernacular.

Save society and "the planet" too, guillotine pols, crats and banksters.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:11 | 4655033 nevadan
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two billion hours is roughly the time it would take to walk to Uranus and back… which is a bit ironic given where you’d probably like to tell Mr. Obama to go stick his tax forms right about now.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:40 | 4655504 crazzziecanuck
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The problem isn't really taxes.  Most people understand that their lifestyles are dependent on government services, and certain services are necessary.  The problem is how wasteful spending is.  Paying for police and fire services everyone can get behind.  Road repair is another.  For example, why on earth is the US Congress funnelling $1 billion to provoke Ukraine into civil war these last 20 years?  Or starting multi-trillion dollar wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?  And then we're told we have to cut food stamps (take food out of the mouths of the poor) and give it to the very same people that are creating massive poverty in the first place.  SETI was looking for intelligent life in the universe.  It would have been more productive to turn the telescopes around to find intelligent life on this planet.

Honestly, I can see why people feel the moral right to "cheat" and "lie" on their taxes given how badly those that collect taxes lie and cheat themselves.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:02 | 4655664 Anusocracy
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What services do I need to get from .gov that I couldn't get from the market?

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 04:39 | 4656087 Joenobody12
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How about shitty post office service that loses money year after year while Fed Express and the like make money hand over fist. 

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:26 | 4655934 All Risk No Reward
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Oh, you think taxes go to pay for government services?  -lol-  That's funny.

What, exactly, do you think federal tax money pays for other than to leverage, for a few pennies on the dollar, the agenda of the supra-national banking cartel that finances the federal government and its politicians?

School is paid for by county property tax...  but the Banskter/Feds come in and make sure the Robber Baron curriculum is forced down our children's throats in order to maximize the profits, criminal and otherwise, of their economic interests at the expense of everyone else.  I could go on and on and on.  Oh, I enjoy paying for the FEds to protect John Corzine for prosecution for stealing $1.5 billion in brokerage accounts and handing them over to JP Morgan.  You have to love paying taxes to JP Morgan criminals who bribed Jefferson County officials to jack their $100 million sewer bill to $1,000 million didn't get prosecuted, right?  Oh, and they had to make sure they kept the $1 billion and jacked the taxes of the citizens, too.

How about that Syrian false flag that required imminent intenational war crimes or Assad would show up under your children's beds at night and stab them?  Remember that fiasco?  Oh, and how else would al Qaeda get funded to cut the limbs off of little Christian girls?

Or who would fund rebels in the Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government after the country told the EU to shove their debt based Euro con game where the sun don't shine?

Who would protect Wachovia so they could launder $100s of billions in drug money, avoid prosecution and keep the laundered money tax free?  You are paying attention TO REALITY, RIGHT?

Oh, and where would the government get the money to arm the Sinaloa drug cartel with guns AND GRENADE LAUNCHERS!, the very same cartel that was laundering its drug money through Wachovia?

Don't you just want some more of that action?

BTW, local and state taxes pay for almost everything you see... including interest to the criminal Debt Money Pushers.  Once rate go through the roof and shut the economy down...  we are in big trouble and all that has to happen is the head honcho Bankster has to tell his crew to call in the debts and we are finished.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:59 | 4655006 Save_America1st
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What Americans need to understand is that the taxes don't go towards the debt.  They are sucked out of us and given to the foreign banksters who are the private owners of the Federal Reserve central bank.  The IRS is just the police force the Fed Reserve is allowed to use with illegal authority to steal from us and give it to their offshore foreign overlords.

It's nothing but a gigantic screwjob.  Then they print Trillions of dollars and shackle the debt onto our backs without our consent as if they did us a favor some how which forces us to work more and be taxed more in the false assumption that the taxes they extract out of us go towards payment of that debt when it's really going offshore to the .0001% who live like gods off our hard work!

This isn't a Right/Left paradigm thing...both sides are complicite in this whole fucking game.  And once they've finally broken us and extracted everything from us they'll steal the land, sell the resources to China and others, plunge us into a 3rd world economy, and enslave us under their tyranny.

Unless we rise up and kill them all...cuz that's the only way to rid the world of sociopaths and psychopaths who want to be dictatorial tyrants over free people.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:59 | 4655008 Brutlstrudl
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The Federal Reserve prints the money and loans it to the treasury. As the Treasury doesn't have any money of its own, it repays the loan plus interest through the Federal Income tax. Sounds stupid but the Federal Reserve and it's secret stockholders make Zillions

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:54 | 4655113 Manthong
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on the right track, but.. the Fed doesn't print squat..

It creates trillions of banker scam digital fiat out of nothing and the bankers have fooled the populace into thinking they are indebted.

There is a solution..  but it would take wisdom, courage and unity.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:19 | 4655166 Manthong
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One question..

Q1. Where does the Fed, or the ECB, BOJ, BOE, BIS, IMF WB et al get their "money"...


..except for a few ounces of gold that they refuse to account for.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:27 | 4655140 All Risk No Reward
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Consider a $100k home on a standard 30 year mortgage with a 5% interest rate (well below the long term average).  The land costs maybe $40-50k.  The material providers might make $20k for doing the work of providing the materials.  The contractor and laborers might make the rest.

The Banksters, who merely conjure up debt money out of absolutely nothing like they were a Machiavellian possessed Alladin with near unlimited wishes (the only constraint being eventual exponential growth collapse), will earn over $93,000.

To be fair, there is some time value involved here so, depending on how the Banksters generate or restrict money supply, the $93k would be worth less.

The point is these rentier crooks make more than anyone else (interest is front loaded so they make most of the $93k money up front, not on the back end) AND THEY DO NOTHING PRODUCTIVE!

BTW, interest is not deductible so that you can save money...  it is deductible because that lowers the expense of interest AND MAXIMIZE THE PROFITS FOR THE BANKS.

How to be a Crook

Poverty: Debt is not a Choice

Physical peasants and surfs where forced to rent the land from their physical superiors.

Cognitive peasants and surfs are forced to rent their money supply (the means to buy the land) from their cognitive superiors.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 09:31 | 4656494 fishmonger
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Just when I think I got a handle on what's going on behind the curtain, I find that my eyes are wide shut. Props to ARNR and Manthong for their comments. I'm looking forward to reading more from y'all.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:02 | 4655009 navy62802
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Answer - To engender a sense of subjugation among its citizens. It is a form of arbitrary control.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:17 | 4655445 Silver Bug
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The US relies on its ability to print money to infinity and then back that phony money up with pure brute force. The day is coming when this illusion will end.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:34 | 4654951 CH1
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Taxation is robberty. Period.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:53 | 4654985 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'd argue that "Taxation without due representation and due consent" is robbery.

IOW:  Most forms of 'taxation' are robbery.

ps. I didn't junk you.  Am not that petty and agree with many of your posts.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:59 | 4655005 Greenskeeper_Carl
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And the worst of these taxes is deficit spending. My generation, and my sons generation did not vote for any of the big-oldfart entitlement programs, but are forced to pay into them even if we don't want to. We are running up debts that unborn generations in the future are expected to pay for. Most Americans wouldn't take out a credit card in their newborns name and run up 100k in debt on it, then hand them the bill when they turn 18, yet that's exactly what we as a society do. If that isn't taxation without representation I don't know what is. Revolutions have been started for that. Fortunately for them, each generation is more stupid than the last, as long as they keep turning out the igadgets, no problems

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:20 | 4655282 negative rates
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Have you looked inside peoples mouths lately and said to yourself, we didn't run up a bill which can never be repaid, we have no inherited debt, but by 30, 1/2 the population has store bought teeth and the other halfs are falling out. You need to concentrate on what's real, not what is imagination.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:06 | 4655016 CH1
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Thanks Jim. :)


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:07 | 4655018 narnia
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Involuntary extraction proves a lack of consent.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:26 | 4655188 Buckaroo Banzai
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"I'd argue that "Taxation without due representation and due consent" is robbery.

You are on the right track, but your thought process is incomplete.

Income taxes, WITH OR WITHOUT REPRESENTATION, is equivalent to involuntary servitude. Once your income is taxed, you are no longer working for yourself, you are working for the government. And that work is involuntary. And just because the majority of voting idiots decided to take that money from you, doesn't make it any less than involuntary. It just makes you a slave to the mob.

If the constitution meant anything, and the Supreme Court wasn't a bunch of hacks, the Income tax and the 16th Amendment would be disempowered due to being in conflict with the 13th Amendment.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:38 | 4655210 AndrewJacksonsGhost
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Legal Plunder Bastiat

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:38 | 4654956 Ignatius
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In 1939 only some 7% paid income tax.  With WWII and the vast expansion of the military-security complex we've gotten to where we are today.

Enjoying that empire? 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:40 | 4654960 l.kimbot
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And just wait until we see what surprises are in store for us as the IRS' critical role in policing ObamaCare comes to the front..."Claim your Credit now"...Interest and Penalties anyone?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:46 | 4654973 Landrew
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Ron Paul has it right, reduce the military budget to NO WAR! Stop funding future military projects of 16 TRILLION dollars that are on the books.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:47 | 4654974 Infinite QE
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Look at the term IRS as Israel Revenue Service at it all becomes clear. Watch Aaron Russo's film America: Freedom to Fascism for the inside scoop.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:56 | 4654998 Kirk2NCC1701
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Aaron Russo and Aaron Schwartz = true American heros.  RIP, guys. 

We shall remember you.  And honor your memory after the Reset.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:49 | 4654976 nmewn
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And Tax Freedom Day is April 21st (on average).

It has taken you this long to comply with the orders of the Sheriff of Nothingham and the edicts of good King O'Barry, you serfs!?!?

This will not be tolerated, work harder you bastards!

We expect payment in full by the end of January next year ;-)

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:29 | 4655317 sleigher
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I have yet to find a law that says I have to file.  I have been researching for a few years now and for the life of me cannot find 1 law anywhere that says that I have to file a federal tax return.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:11 | 4655427 nmewn
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Well, by way of the 16th Amendment (advocated for, by the Socialist Labor Party, the Populist Party and the Democratic Party under William Jennings Bryan and ratified by the states) it is "law". Apparently the tyrant Lincoln's actions before the 16th Amendment needed some

If you have reportable income, at a certain level, you're legally supposed to file a return.

And of course, the dreaded "enforcement link"...surprisingly, glitch free ;-)

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:20 | 4655712 Anusocracy
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Freedom from the cost of government is in July, though.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:49 | 4654979 reader2010
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The Best Part is that GE pays ZERO cents.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:51 | 4654982 billwilson
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Grow the fuck up!

Taxes have a use. You can argue about the level of tax, but taxes do make it possible for us to live in a modern society.

I have lived in places where there is almost no taxation ... and guess what, life ain't so glorious.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:54 | 4654990 Infinite QE
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As a study commissioned by Ronald Reagan proved, NONE of the Federal tax money collected goes to fund the government. ZERO. All goes to the banksters to pay for the fictional debt that came about because of our fraudulent money system.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:57 | 4655001 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"Taxes have a use. You can argue about the level of tax, but taxes do make it possible for us to live in a modern society"

Well, the level of tax is WAY TOO HIGH right now.  I don't have a problem paying for roads and bridges and for the snowplow to come plow the road.  I DO have a problem paying for the welfare mommy who thinks its better to have 6 kids instead of going to work.  Im fucking sick and tired of paying for everyone and all of their irresponsible bullshit.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:03 | 4655011 caustixoid
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"Taxes have a use"

You mean, like, all 120 of them? 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:22 | 4655290 Prisoners_dilemna
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Walter Block writes excellent material on the topic of private roads, private courts, security, education.

In Switzerland 2/3rds of the roads are privately owned.


Sure taxes have a use. Thieves spend money too.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:07 | 4655019 El Vaquero
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Getting rid of income taxes, property taxes and taxes on the production of goods would be a good start.  Paying a tax at the pump when the money is earmarked for the roads that you use the gasoline to drive on?  Well, it's either that or toll roads.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:07 | 4655020 billwilson
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Personally I'm sick and tired of paying for a military that sucks the life out of the country. I'm sick and tired of paying for a medical system that is totally in the capture of big pharma and big insurance. Give me single payer (yes with taxes) any day over the crap that exists now.

Give me a system that works on real christian principles ... if you can remember them. Jesus would have been fully in favor of progressive and heavy taxation.

Believe me the average cheating CEO or hedge fund opertator or bank official cost you far more than welfare moms.

Stop the corporate welfare bums (the real parasites) and things would eb a lot better.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:22 | 4655046 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Oh please.  You can be one of the first to send 90% of your earnings to Uncle Sam then, if you are so in favor of "heavy" taxation.  You don't need to wait for a law to be passed, you can open up your checkbook and send it in right here, right now.

You honestly think the government controlling 100% of healthcare will be better?

Christian principles start with your OWN personal responsiblity and not being a burden on your fellow citizens.  Not taking from someone else's wallet to fund your own "pet projects".

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:45 | 4655093 billwilson
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Weird concept of christianity you have ... obviously not from the bible most are familiar with.


As for health care the US is way down the list on outcomes and if you figure in cost, well it down right sucks compared to other nations with single payer.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:14 | 4655167 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Sure, because how much of your healthcare dollar is sucked back out of the healthcare industry by your beloved government?

Thou shalt not covet......isn't that one of the 10 commandments?  Like I said Mr. Heavy Taxation, you open up your wallet first, before you decree others to pay more.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:32 | 4655201 negative rates
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Whos idea was that? Who made that up??

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:40 | 4655214 Buckaroo Banzai
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You're a fucking idiot who doesn't know the first fucking thing about the Christian principle of charity. Find me the passage in scripture where Jesus said it was Caesar's responsibility to provide health care for his subjects.

Charity is to be freely given (FREELY given, not from taxes levied at gunpoint), and given as directly as possible to those in need-- cut out the middlemen.

Your concept of charity is not just misguided, it is in direct opposition to Jesus' teachings.

You fucking tool.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:21 | 4655454 sleigher
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Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's


Thank you

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:00 | 4655554 nmewn
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The way I read it, Caesar can only take your body (and material things), he cannot take your soul. This is beyond Caesars (and even Obama's bureaucracies)

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:22 | 4655602 sleigher
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Have you ever daydreamed of taking your favorite people that post here and bring them all to a room to drink a bottle of vodka?  I am not trolling...  

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 06:25 | 4656142 nmewn
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And I apologize in advance for all past and future misunderstandings ;-)

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:11 | 4655920 e_goldstein
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Except it's not Caesar's, it's Shylock's. Caesar just provides the manpower.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:31 | 4655056 nmewn
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Isn't it enough that the left...had an argument WITH ITSELF and implemented ObamaCare for Big Pharma & Big Insurance over everyone elses objections that all people...even after all that...believe you, have the intellect & compassion to speak for...Jesus Christ?

There really is no end to the deceptions, lies and vulgarities of a leftist is there?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:49 | 4655106 billwilson
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Pretty simple:

Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."  or

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:15 | 4655169 nmewn
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You're saying Jesus would justify the use of the power of Ceasar (the state) to extract things (loyalty, love, medications, compassion etc.) from other people.

You have a pretty warped view of divinity to even compare an organization of men (government) to Jesus, you speak more like a Pharisee than anyone who would follow Christ.

Charity comes from the heart and is always voluntary.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:19 | 4655178 Beam Me Up Scotty
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""Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."  or:

Are you doing that Bill?  Or are you making others do that and then feeling good about yourself?  Do you live in a cardboard box by now?

If you decree others to pay more taxes but think you should be exempt, then you are doing nothing more than stealing.  Thou shalt not steal.

Get your checkbook out.  Otherwise you are nothing but a hypocrite.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:29 | 4655195 TuPhat
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In what language can you call that 'taxation'.  You might read the bible but you certainly do not understand it.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:33 | 4655203 negative rates
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Religon is a never ending circle.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:40 | 4655206 BlindMonkey
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I missed the part in there that had Ceasar's thugs pointing a gun/spear to extract the money to be so fucking generous with.  Can you quote me that scripture there ragman?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:54 | 4655235 Crawdaddy
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You quote the Bible but you worship the state as God? You have been led astray.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:20 | 4655285 A Lunatic
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You are misinformed in this area. The person to whom Jesus was speaking loved himself more than he loved his neighbor and loved money more than he loved God. He outwardly kept the commandments of God but inwardly (where the rubber meets the road) he was unable to set aside his inordinate desire for wealth, therefore, it was a hindrance to his ability to put total faith in Jesus Christ. There are many men who understand the proper use and function of money/wealth to which the above parable does not apply.......

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:53 | 4655114 Toxicosis
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Sorry Bill, taxation is not necessary.  We have well more than enough entrepreneurs and businesses that offer services.  I am more than willing to pay for my services, especially if I know what I'm getting.  With taxation there is little transparency and the value and services offered are not represented by the money spent or in fact stolen.   We do NOT need a government and neither should we have any corporations that lord over the land or its resources.  We need an active caring citizenry that actually is concerned about trading goods and services.  We need to know how to defend ourselves but not invade other countries.  Wealth is stolen to support crony capitalism endeavours, and that will be the end of most of us.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:54 | 4655538 Lionhearted
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10% is good enough for God it should be good enough for the government. I am totally opposed to and income tax. All tax should be paid at the cash register and limited to 10% by a Constitutional amendment. That would incentivize the government to spur the economy to increase revenue. The only reason to lobby the government would be to reduce the sales tax for everyone.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:52 | 4654987 caustixoid
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Headline spelling should be "privilege".  Tylers, even the guest contributors don't get spellcheck?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:20 | 4655048 Poor Grogman
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Tax QE, every dollar of QE could be taxed at 20% thus contributing nearly 20 bn per month to the USG.

It's also money that people would not have to pay.

Tax the FED, go on it's for the children...

After all What's the use of a free money producing NGO, if it doesn't do its job?

Get to work old yeller

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:54 | 4654994 BeerMe
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Taxing productivity "income tax" is the dumbest tax around.  How it is setup is even worse.  It is asinine.  You want jobs in the  country?  Fucking amend the constitution and repeal the 16th.  Easy.  Quit stealing 20% of someone's labor.

In 1913 the income tax was added to the constitution with some dumb belief that it would only be the top 1% paying the tax.  Add the Fed.  And in just that one year this country was lost probably forever.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:54 | 4655535 Beam Me Up Scotty
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They are stealing a whole lot more than 20%. If you add up all of the taxes and fees you pay--fed income tax, state income tax, property taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, the myriad of hidden taxes on your bills, and fees up the wazoo, you are probably paying more like 70% of your income in taxes.
You know what that means? Work 10 days and 7 of it is for the government. Now if that's not slavery, I don't know what is!!!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:54 | 4654995 Semi-employed W...
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Everyone who actually pays income taxes hates the IRS.  Yet nothing is ever done about.  Oh once in a while during presidential primary election season we'll hear a Republican say something about Fair Tax this or flat tax that blah blah just to placate conservatives.  But nothing ever comes of it.  By the time the general election comes around, not a word about the IRS from the so-called limited government Republican candidate.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:55 | 4654996 Zombie_Economics
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"This first tar and feathers campaign proved very successful. In conjunction with the nonimportation movement, tar and feather terrorism reduced Townshend duties' revenues below the costs of enforcement. In 1770, the British government recognized that the program was an abysmal failure, and it repealed the taxes on all imports but tea. As a result, the tarring and feathering of these loathed individuals came to a virtual halt. This is not to suggest, however, that the practice of tarring and feathering ceased entirely. To the contrary, tar and feathers had proven an effective deterrent, and patriot leaders quickly devised a new use for it. Before the repeal of the Townshend duties, when the colonists began to galvanize in their opposition to British taxes, Whig merchants coordinated a series of nonimportation agreements. To enforce these agreements, they then invoked the threat of tar and feathers. During this second phase of tarring and feathering, the practice changed significantly. Most notably, Boston mobs began to tar and feather an individual's property and effects rather than his body. Several persons' homes were tarred and feathered, as was at least one merchant's store. In Marlborough, a crowd went so far as to tar and feather the horse of merchant Henry Barnes."


Need I imply further?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:11 | 4655032 Seasmoke
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But who would build the roads !!!!!!!!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:26 | 4655732 Poor Grogman
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The discussion always comes back to roads eventually.

Maybe that should be the goal of robotics makers everywhere, road fixing robots.

At least then libertarians would have an easy answer for this perennial question posed by those who see bigger government as the only answer.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:13 | 4655035 Reaper
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Serfdom means you never have to think. Your lord giveth and taketh away, so you are not responsible for his results. The peace of mind from submission is your reward.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:13 | 4655038 Seasmoke
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You would have to be a real Netanyahoooo , not to understand who the IRS benefits ...If Everyone would just grow a spine and just stop paying. Simple as that.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:04 | 4655138 nickt1y
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You first.  Nobody wants to be the first or the last wildebeast in the herd when the lions are stalking.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:20 | 4655047 Seize Mars
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Income tax is unconstitutional. I'm holding my breath waiting for our "brave men and women in uniform" to step up and defend us from the thugs. Oh, wait, I forgot, they only shoot defenseless brown people.

Wait, where were all thos "Oath Keepers" at the ranch in NV? Oh yeah, they were having a fucking bake sale.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:48 | 4655101 pigs-n-space
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yes but we have to fund it....Ineptocracy - the belief that rulers should be chosen for their generally incompetent and ineffectual qualities.                                                                                                                        

  • a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.    Trickle down anyone?
  • Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:49 | 4655105 Cannon Fodder
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    What I want to know is why didn't I ever get a say in any of this? I was born, given a social security number, a citizenship and told to shut up and pay taxes.... seems like being born into serfdom... why is it someone can say they are allowed to revoke my passport and I can never leave those geographic boundaries without it? Shouldn't I get a choice in participating in this whole thing???

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:08 | 4655152 caustixoid
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    Your parents signed you up when they applied for a birth certificate.    What's done is done.   Why fret about "Consent of the Governed" and "taxation without representation"? 

    So 555-12-3456, let's get out there and get to work, pay some taxes and have some kids of your own. 


    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:12 | 4655160 Cannon Fodder
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    So, maybe everyone should stop applying for birth certificates and SSNs.... :)

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:00 | 4655125 QQQBall
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    I find it startling that a ZHer would argue over what type of tax is fairer. The money gets slushed to the MIC and Bankers. Now the discussion about cutting benefits while Obomber bombs everything in sight.

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:03 | 4655136 Turdy Brown
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    Hey bwilson, can you pls get lost?

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:03 | 4655137 El Vaquero
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    Speaking of sticking a gun in your face, it looks like BLM may be up to it again:



    This time, it's in Texas, and it is deeded land. 

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:07 | 4655143 Son of Captain Nemo
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    If any of you can stomach it this one just recently came out of Wa-Po and while it has the integrity that is representative of the worst form of control and censorship both big government and the presstitutes can muster, every once in a blue moon they get it right... Not because they want to but because the stench in this rotting cesspool of the Nation's Capital is so bad that the readers are flooding The 4th Estate with information like this because they have no where else to turn when their is no justice to protect them from an out of control federal government...

    In addition to what we are witnessing in Nevada with the Bundys with land deals that throw families and animals off land they have probably been paying taxes on for the last 130 years, to foreign interests that they probably didn't know anything about, we also need to be aware like this article states all too well that it's the little guy who can't afford legal protection and shouldn't require it in the first place if tax collection practices were ethical and fair to those that pay into it that in fact are the ones most vulnerable and unfortunately the most exploited.

    If you want to get good insight into the IRSs "money machine" in action for the taxpayer that has been getting it in every orifice, than look no further than the Treasury Offset Program or   TOP .  This is probably one of the most pernicious, detrimental and unfair set of practices for tax collection their is in the system and the States and Department of the Treasury use it in tandem willfully to collect everything from disputed state income tax the Fed has no business collecting working as an agent to the state(s) as well as to past debts that have reached in many cases their expiration or statute of limitation(s).  In most cases TOP is used during tax season to impose liens on bank accounts with the taxpayer in many cases notified only after the fact that collection has taken place.

    You shouldn't need a lawyer to combat this kind of egregious theft and I believe it's gotten so bad that even good representation through an attorney is a "hit or miss" that increasingly ends up in failure as the State and Federal will always win and you lose a second time when you attempt to fight it.

    Happy tax season!




    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:44 | 4655219 Neo1
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    12 USC 411
    12 USC 501a

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:00 | 4655251 Son of Captain Nemo
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    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:17 | 4655274 yellowsub
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    Public education system is of no value.  

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:22 | 4655294 A Lunatic
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    These fuckers only know what YOU or your EMPLOYER tell them........

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:31 | 4655326 Dre4dwolf
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    The problem is, the banks and IRS and Federal Reserve are all one organization essentially, the banks RAT you out and blackmale you at every turn.

    People need to start working in CASH ONLY.

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:49 | 4655373 kchrisc
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    Think about this for a second, or two:

    In the old days inflation came via debasement of the metal content of the realm's coinage. Prices went up and that was that.

    Now a days inflation comes about via "printing" by the banksters which dilutes, debases, the current stock of currency and steals value, via rising prices, from the holders of said currency. However to get that "printed" currency into circulation the baksters "loan" it to the DC US. Now the DC US comes and taxes, extorts, the American people to pay the interest on said debt--"Taxation without representation" by the way.

    Therefore, by extension, the American people, us, are paying the banksters for the their Unconstitutional privilege of stealing from us. Ain't that a bitch?!

    "Can I get a guillotine!"

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:55 | 4655390 Stuck on Zero
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    Here in our fair city all businesses and rental units must pay a business tax.  I asked the guy at the city business office what they did.  He replied, in a materr-of-fact manner, that the taxes paid the salaries of the people in the office who collected the taxes.


    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:55 | 4655391 I need Another Beer
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    My whole life philosophy has always been " The only good tax is a dead tax "


    Think about that for more than 3 seconds

    Mon, 04/14/2014 - 04:31 | 4656081 Freewheelin Franklin
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    America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the syatem, and too soon to shoot the bastards.


    - Claire Wolfe

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:56 | 4655394 Angus McHugepenis
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    Dear Simon,


    Here is some simple math. I’m rounding up or down, but read it and get the fucking point for fuck sakes!


    - The average human lives 75 years.


    - 75 divide by 1/3 for sleep = almost 23 years of sleep.


    - 75 subtract 23 = 52 years of waking life.


    - Working life is roughly 8 hours per day, 5 days per week on average.


    - A long term working career at 30 years, 8 hours per day, 5 days per week, not including holidays or other time off, based on a standard 50 weeks per year = 12,000 total hours worked… equivalent to almost SEVEN YEARS just at work.


    So, 52 years minus 7 years is 45 years.


    Now consider you really do nothing until age 20 years. So 45 years minus 20 = 25 years. Now consider your last 15 years will be unproductive between the ages of 60-75.


    You have around 10 years of actual productivity in your life while you’re awake and in between frat parties and other drunken episodes.


    Now consider how much of that time is yours when government and other assholes want at least HALF of everything!


    Simon, fuck off with your investing bullshit. We, as humans, must stop listening to you and your fuctard scams.


    Lastly, I would like to see if somebody can do the math better than me. I’m sure you’ll still figure it out that our Police State isn’t worth the prices we pay for a mere 10-15 years of our own time here.


    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:00 | 4655404 F em all but 6
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    It is clear to me that after reading the entire page of comments, not one of the posters understands out system of taxation. I'll try to be brief, but its difficult.


    Back before the Social Security Act, the courts defined INCOME as profit and gain. The courts also defined your labor as your property and the money you exchanged for your labor was also property as an even exchange. No profit, no gain, no income. But all that changed.

    In the early 1930's under the new deal legislation, the federal government introduced the Social Security Act. PLEASE read the ACT. It directly states UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE and OLD AGE SURVIVORS coverage. These items DO NOT fall within the context of enumerated powers, but are, as a matter of law and fact, STATE POLICE POWERS. And hence, the USSC has fully ecognized that passage and implementation of the ACT required State/federal cooperation via the federal COMPACT CLAUSE. See Article 1, section 10.

    Reading further into the federal ACT, you will find that it was also a REVENUE MEASURE that falls under the federal taxing power.

    A few facts.

    1. There is NO law that requires a person to get the number as a condition of working

    2. The number is NOT assigned at birth but MUST be applied for hence participation in the system is VOLUNTARY.

    The government will not dispute these facts.

    Back to the SS Act.Well settled case law established that to be eligible for public "alms" a peson had to not only be indigent, but also incapable of work. The ACT changed that. Now those making application into the system are ENTITLED to what the courts of law and equity would define as extraordinary protections paid for with money from the public treasury. The courts would further tell you that upon application, you WAIVED constitutional/judicial protections of PROPERTY and CONTRACT in exchange for the PRIVILEGE of those extraordinary securities. AND CONGRESS can TAX the privileges it creates thus the REVENUE PORTION OF THE ACT is constitutional. Moreover, since it is a federal act, the States are now preempted (supremacy clause) for purposes of taxation and administrative control.


    Within the new system Congress defines INCOME. Wage income, barter income, gift income, ect. The EXCISE or INDIRECT tax is NOT on the PROPERTY (wage), but uses the property as a unit of measurement to calculate the indirect excise. And for those of you that know nothing about legislative taxing powers, the courts cannot and will not interfere with it. The sky is the limit. In other words, the legislative branch could take 100% of what you earn and leave you with nothing except future statutory rights to entitlements that can be modified or taken away at the will of the legislative body that created them.

    Oh, and it gets better. Making application into the system is voluntary. However, once in, adherence to the terms of the privilege are not including fines, summary siezure of property, and imprisionment for violating the terms of the grant. Were these terms disclosed? No. Do the courts care? NO. They presumed you knew what you were doing.


    And now the good news. The whole stinking act was a massive violation of the federal constitution. And be advised that this has NEVER been presented to any court.

    1. The federal constitution requires that direct taxes on property must be apportioned. The States handed the feds the power to make the property the lawful object of an excise thereby BYPASSING the apportionment clause. Can the States do that? Volumes os USSC precedent says NO.

    2. This is the big one. It involvers the federal CONTRACT CLAUSE. NOW THINK!!! I show up at your door and we agree that I will shovel your driveway for 20 bucks. THAT is a CONTRACT. I finish and you are OBLIGATED to pay. In other words PAYMENT is an unseverable part of the contract. The States cannot interfere with that obligation as they are PROHIBITED by the federal constitution from doing so. Yet there it is. Witholding. The State and feds have the power to reach into the contract and take 100% of the obligation. THINK!!!! The States are prohibited, but they hand the federal government the power to do what they themselves are PROHIBITED from doing??? And NOW that the States are PREEMPTED, they turn around and impose their own excise or privilege taxes THROUGH PERMISSION AND UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!


    Hahahahaha. Fucking Cuntface lying thieving bastards. The founders knew the States were corrupt, thats WHY they inserted the CONTRACT CLAUSE and by the way, it only applies to the STATES NOT THE FEDS. But none of this matters. Once in the system, ALL your protections and thus your standing has been WAIVED. You can bring all this to courts and the courts will stick their fingers in their ears and ignore you because YOU have NO STANDING TO COMPLAIN.

    OH, and for your enjoyment, a very small part of a research project to back up what I just told you.




    SECTION 801. In addition to other taxes, there shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 811) received by him after December 31, 1936, with respect to employment (as defined in section 811) after such date: (1) With respect to employment during the calendar years 1937, 1938, and 1939, the rate shall be 1 per centum. (2) With respect to employment during the calendar years 1940, 1941, and 1942, the rate shall 1 ´ per centum. (3) With respect to employment during the calendar years 1943, 1944, and 1945, the rate shall be 2 per centum. (4) With respect to employment during the calendar years 1946, 1947, and 1948, the rate shall be 2 ´ per centum. (5) With respect to employment after December 31, 1948, the rate shall be 3 per centum. (bold and underline emphasis added)


    [1] The Constitution was careful to provide that ‘no State shall . . . pass any . . . Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts.’ (Const. art. 1, 10.)  This she may not do under the form of a bankruptcy act or otherwise.  Sturges v. Crowninshield, 4 Wheat. 122, 191.  Nor do we think she can accomplish the same end by granting any permission necessary to enable Congress so to do.


    A state prohibited by the Federal Constitution from passing any laws impairing the obligation of contracts may not accomplish the same end by granting any permission necessary to enable Congress so to do. Ashton v. Cameron County Water Improv. Dist. 298 U.S. 513, 80 L ed 1309, 56 S Ct 892, rehearing denied in 299 U.S. 619, 81 L ed 457, 57 S Ct 5.


    Neither consent nor submission by the states can enlarge the powers of Congress; none can exist except those which are granted.  United States v. Butler, 297 US 1, 56 S Ct 312, 102 ALR 914, decided January 6, 1936.  The sovereignty of the state essential to its proper functioning under the Federal Constitution cannot be surrendered; it cannot be taken away by any form of legislation.  See United States v. Constantine, 296 US 287, 56 S Ct 223.


    [1] An Act to provide for the general welfare by establishing a systems of Federal old-age benefits, and by enabling the several States to make more adequate provision for aged persons, blind persons, dependent  and crippled children, maternal and child !welfare, public health, and the administration of their unemployment compensation laws; to establish a Social Security Board; to raise revenue; and for other purposes…. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,  (Taken out of “DOCUMENTS OF AMERICAN HISTORY” (1940 ) 2d.ed.  Edited  by  Henry Steele Commager,   F.  S.  Columbia University   Crofts & Co.  New York. ) 


    [1] D.C.Cal.  1971.  Constitutional prohibition against impairment of contracts is not a restriction upon the federal government.  U.S.C.A. Const.  Art.  1, § 10; Amend.  5.  California Teachers Ass’n   v.  Newport Mesa Unified School Dist., 333  F. Supp.  436.


    [1] “Preemption” rests upon supremacy clause of Federal Constitution, and deprives state of jurisdiction over matter embraced by congressional act regardless of whether state law coincides with, is complementary to, or opposes federal congressional expression.  Painters, Local Union No. 567 of Broth. of Painters, Decorators and Paperhangers of America v. Tom Joyce Floors, Inc. 398 P.2d 245, 246, 81 Nev. 1.


    Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:32 | 4655940 Free Wary
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    Let's make a new constitution and get several states to join. I'd suggest starting with Eastern Oregon, Idaho, Northern California, Utah, Arizona etc.

    Obama will wet his pants he won't know what to do.

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:02 | 4655559 Neo
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    It's real. This guy has put his life on the line.


    Read the site, look at the REFUND checks for everything paid in, everything.


    There is a law, it just most likely doesn't apply to most of you.

    Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:55 | 4655652 Flamin Rhoid
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    Oh My...   So good, so long ago




    Mon, 04/14/2014 - 02:09 | 4655970 trader1
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    simon, you destroyed what would have been a good article with such poor argumentation and fallacious appeal to authority.

    there's a lot of mythology built up around the founding fathers.  


    Mon, 04/14/2014 - 04:27 | 4656078 Freewheelin Franklin
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    "People are brainwashed into believing that taxes are a ‘privilege’, and the “price we pay for civilized society.”


    Taxes are the price we pay for NOT living in a civiized society. 


    Mon, 04/14/2014 - 06:25 | 4656143 kurt
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    War starts in Ukraine April 15 after midnight, after they got your money.

    Mon, 04/14/2014 - 07:25 | 4656188 justsayin2u
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    I used to do my own taxes and it took around 40 hours.  This year I finally bailed and have paid people to do it.  One of the worst parts of our current system is that it is so complex and arcane that no-one can understand large parts of the regs - that includes the IRS and our highly paid help.  As such, everone is continually at risk of being on the wrong side of the law.  Sick.

    Mon, 04/14/2014 - 10:27 | 4656675 22winmag
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    All in the name of a Constitutional Amendment that was never even ratified.

    Mon, 04/14/2014 - 14:30 | 4657641 Bemused Observer
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    It isn't the taxing that is the problem, it's what is being DONE with the money.

    And yes, taxes ARE the price of living in a civilized society...especially a world power. The reason they have to be collected "at gunpoint" is because, like everything else, people always figure "the other guy" will do it, and no one would volunteer.

    This doesn't make taxation itself wrong. But, as I said, it has more to do with how that money gets spent. Much of the resentment comes from people seeing masses of taxpayer money going to corporations, overseas, being wasted on bullshit pork projects, etc.

    (You'll notice I didn't mention social safety net programs...that is because, unlike a lot of the posters here, I see these as vital. Both from a moral AND a pragmatic POV...yet, there is waste there as well. But the bulk of that waste occurs higher up the food chain than the recipients who are always being bashed!)

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