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Obama On The Red Line And On The Rat Line

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Seymour Hersh’s Blockbuster: Obama On The Red Line And On The Rat Line

Read Seymour Hersh’s devastating account of Obama’s Red Lines and Rat Lines and weep for the Republic. It is no more.

For the first time in a half-century American voters actually elected the “peace candidate” in 2008 and sent Obama to the White House to end the interventionist foreign policy that had lead to disaster in Iraq, and, implicitly, to wind down the vast war machine that had been left over from the Cold War. The latter had  been converted  by the Bush’s and Clintons into an armada of invasion and occupation that had rained death and destruction from Bosnia to Baghdad to Kandahar for no reasonable or justifiable purpose of national security.  These aggressions were simply what a war machine does, making up rationalizations as it goes along.

But the Warfare State was not about to let peace happen. Soon Obama learned the Washington pivot, rehired the core of Bush’s War Cabinet and became enmeshed in the “national security” plots and schemes which were in the pipeline when he arrived at 1600 Pennsylvanian Avenue— much like JFK inherited the disastrous Bay Of Pigs invasion. Like the despicable Alan Dulles, he inherited ambitious scoundrels like so-called General David Petraeus, who soon had him convinced that the non-sensical and bloody “surge” in Anbar Province had been a roaring success, and that it should be exported to the quagmire in Afghanistan.

Indeed, after the Afghan surge was launched in 2009 there was no turning back. The peace candidate had already become co-opted—emerging as a pliant tool of America’s rogue Warfare State that functions almost entirely outside of the Constitution and often beyond statutory law, as well. Ironically, the former editor of the Harvard Law Journal and self-proclaimed constitutional expert apparently had no qualms whatsoever about any of this. The spy agencies were nourished with massive new resources and widened mandates; Rumsfeld’s disgraceful and illegal detention operation at Guantanamo Bay was not closed as he had promised; Bush’s cowardly and counter-productive drone wars were drastically escalated; and the defense budget grew by more than $100 billion from the already bloated levels he had inherited from the “decider”.

And this gets us to Hersh’s expose. By 2011 Obama had donned the full regalia of the imperial presidency. With not so much as even a casual nod to the War Powers Act—-the first piece of legislation I worked on 43 years ago as a young aide on Capitol Hill outraged by Johnson’s and Nixon’s immoral, illegal and genocidal war on Vietnam—-the peace candidate conducted an air war and subversion campaign in Libya because he could.

Upon the bloody end of the Gadhafi regime, Obama than turned to making war on the Assad regime in Syria—without a sliver of logic as to why intervention in an age old sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Alawites would make the citizens of Nebraska one wit safer. This time he did it through the establishment of a CIA annex in Benghazi to gather and accumulate the former Libyans dictator’s lethal arsenals for transfer to the Syrian rebels—many of whom where jihadists and terrorists of the type we were allegedly trying to erase from the earth.

Moreover, as Seymour Hersh explains, the Benghazi weapons were then transited by means of an illegal CIA “rat line” through Turkey to the rebels. And the rat line was absolutely illegal because all CIA covert operations since the 1970s have been required as a matter of law to be disclosed to the Congressional leadership—-for whatever that has become worth in the post Frank Church era where shaking down the military-industrial complex for campaign money, rather than thwarting its propensity for rogue operations, has become a bipartisan pursuit of choice.

But our constitutional scholar-in-chief apparently had no problem splitting hairs. The “rat line” was deemed a “liaison” operation with England’s MI6 and thereby exempt from reporting requirements. So when the rat line operation blew up in Benghazi during the middle of the Presidential campaign in September 2012 in the incident that lead to the death of Ambassador Chris Stevens, the Obama White House just lied. No, the consulate where the deadly attack occurred was not a CIA annex and weapons depot; and, no, we never supplied any weapons to any rebels in Syria. All a pack of lies.

But when you are knee deep in intrigue and covert operations and enmeshed in plots to overthrow governments with thugs like Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey, one calamity soon leads to another. As Hersh explains, Barrack Obama in his usual manner had authorized an outright aggression, but than wimped out after the Benghazi fiasco and abruptly shutdown the rat line.

Needless to say, this left Prime Minister Erdogan and his chief of clandestine operations high and dry. By the fall of 2012, the latter were deeply committed to the overthrow of Assad and the establishment of a client regime in Damascus. But the tide of war had already turned—the squabbling gangs of rebels were in retreat, notwithstanding the substantial aid and support they had received from Saudi Arabia, Qatar,Turkey and the West. And from there emerges the main theme of Hersh’s expose.

Obama had foolishly drawn a “red line” on Syrian use of chemical weapons in a civil war which was already engulfed in bloody savagery from both sides.  So the Turks decided to call his bluff, and enable their main rebel ally, the jihadist al-Nusra Front, to stage a false flag attack with what was known to be the signature weapon in Assad’s Soviet supplied chemical weapons arsenal– the deadly sarin gas.

Seymour Hersh explains in chapter and verse, based on a DIA secret report among other high level sources, how this abomination unfolded, and became the horrific gas attack in Ghouta on August 21, 2013. But the gravamen of the piece is his description of how the Obama White House came within two days of launching a Bush style war on Syria after it had already been warned that the proof of Assad’s complicity was lacking; and that a weapons testing lab in England had already concluded that a sarin sample obtained on the scene was of a homemade variety and not of the military grade known to be in the Assad arsenal.

Despite all this, the White House apparatus pushed an increasingly resistant Joint Chiefs of Staff through more than 35 iterations of an attack plan that had nothing to do with spanking Assad for his alleged barbarity or surgically disabling his chemical weapons capacity. The attack was to involve an armada of British, French and American air strikes along with sea-based barrage of Tomahawk missiles to take out Assad’s entire military capacity.

In short, a power-drunk amateur in the White House came within two days of launching a massive military campaign to bring about regime change in Syria—-an action of stupendous folly which would have ignited  a cauldron of fire throughout the Middle East like never before:

In the aftermath of the 21 August attack Obama ordered the Pentagon to draw up targets for bombing. Early in the process, the former intelligence official said, ‘the White House rejected 35 target sets provided by the joint chiefs of staff as being insufficiently “painful” to the Assad regime.’ The original targets included only military sites and nothing by way of civilian infrastructure. Under White House pressure, the US attack plan evolved into ‘a monster strike’: two wings of B-52 bombers were shifted to airbases close to Syria, and navy submarines and ships equipped with Tomahawk missiles were deployed. ‘Every day the target list was getting longer,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘The Pentagon planners said we can’t use only Tomahawks to strike at Syria’s missile sites because their warheads are buried too far below ground, so the two B-52 air wings with two-thousand pound bombs were assigned to the mission. Then we’ll need standby search-and-rescue teams to recover downed pilots and drones for target selection. It became huge.’ The new target list was meant to ‘completely eradicate any military capabilities Assad had’, the former intelligence official said. The core targets included electric power grids, oil and gas depots, all known logistic and weapons depots, all known command and control facilities, and all known military and intelligence buildings.


Britain and France were both to play a part. On 29 August, the day Parliament voted against Cameron’s bid to join the intervention, the Guardian reported that he had already ordered six RAF Typhoon fighter jets to be deployed to Cyprus, and had volunteered a submarine capable of launching Tomahawk missiles. The French air force – a crucial player in the 2011 strikes on Libya – was deeply committed, according to an account in Le Nouvel Observateur; François Hollande had ordered several Rafale fighter-bombers to join the American assault. Their targets were reported to be in western Syria.


By the last days of August the president had given the Joint Chiefs a fixed deadline for the launch. ‘H hour was to begin no later than Monday morning [2 September], a massive assault to neutralise Assad,’ the former intelligence official said.

At the eleventh hour Obama backed down when General Dempsey said flat out no—and then lied that he had changed his mind after a walk around the White House with his clueless chief of staff. The foolish incumbent in the White House and his clownish Secretary of State, the man with the big head of hair and self-evidently not much underneath, then had to suffer the indignity of being rescued from their disastrous schemes and misadventures by Vladimir Putin.

Does that not explain their subsequent insensible campaign to destabilize the Ukraine and then to provoke the current insane showdown with Russia that has resulted from the putsch against a legitimately elected government in Kiev? Does not Obama’s incredible follies and abuses of power here described provide a palpable warning that it is time to dismantle the Warfare State? That is, before still another election turns out to be a mere ratification of an American Imperium being conducted by a permanent rogue regime buried deep within the Warfare State that our national security no longer requires?

As I said, read Seymour Hersh’s devastating expose and think about it.

Seymour M. Hersh on Obama, Erdo?an and the Syrian rebels

In 2011 Barack Obama led an allied military intervention in Libya without consulting the US Congress. Last August, after the sarin attack on the Damascus suburb of Ghouta, he was ready to launch an allied air strike, this time to punish the Syrian government for allegedly crossing the ‘red line’ he had set in 2012 on the use of chemical weapons.[*]?? Then with less than two days to go before the planned strike, he announced that he would seek congressional approval for the intervention. The strike was postponed as Congress prepared for hearings, and subsequently cancelled when Obama accepted Assad’s offer to relinquish his chemical arsenal in a deal brokered by Russia. Why did Obama delay and then relent on Syria when he was not shy about rushing into Libya? The answer lies in a clash between those in the administration who were committed to enforcing the red line, and military leaders who thought that going to war was both unjustified and potentially disastrous.


Obama’s change of mind had its origins at Porton Down, the defence laboratory in Wiltshire. British intelligence had obtained a sample of the sarin used in the 21 August attack and analysis demonstrated that the gas used didn’t match the batches known to exist in the Syrian army’s chemical weapons arsenal. The message that the case against Syria wouldn’t hold up was quickly relayed to the US joint chiefs of staff. The British report heightened doubts inside the Pentagon; the joint chiefs were already preparing to warn Obama that his plans for a far-reaching bomb and missile attack on Syria’s infrastructure could lead to a wider war in the Middle East. As a consequence the American officers delivered a last-minute caution to the president, which, in their view, eventually led to his cancelling the attack.


For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria’s neighbours, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdo?an was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good


The joint chiefs also knew that the Obama administration’s public claims that only the Syrian army had access to sarin were wrong. The American and British intelligence communities had been aware since the spring of 2013 that some rebel units in Syria were developing chemical weapons. On 20 June analysts for the US Defense Intelligence Agency issued a highly classified five-page ‘talking points’ briefing for the DIA’s deputy director, David Shedd, which stated that al-Nusra maintained a sarin production cell: its programme, the paper said, was ‘the most advanced sarin plot since al-Qaida’s pre-9/11 effort’. (According to a Defense Department consultant, US intelligence has long known that al-Qaida experimented with chemical weapons, and has a video of one of its gas experiments with dogs.) The DIA paper went on: ‘Previous IC [intelligence community] focus had been almost entirely on Syrian CW [chemical weapons] stockpiles; now we see ANF attempting to make its own CW … Al-Nusrah Front’s relative freedom of operation within Syria leads us to assess the group’s CW aspirations will be difficult to disrupt in the future.’ The paper drew on classified intelligence from numerous agencies: ‘Turkey and Saudi-based chemical facilitators,’ it said, ‘were attempting to obtain sarin precursors in bulk, tens of kilograms, likely for the anticipated large scale production effort in Syria.’ (Asked about the DIA paper, a spokesperson for the director of national intelligence said: ‘No such paper was ever requested or produced by intelligence community analysts.’)


Last May, more than ten members of the al-Nusra Front were arrested in southern Turkey with what local police told the press were two kilograms of sarin. In a 130-page indictment the group was accused of attempting to purchase fuses, piping for the construction of mortars, and chemical precursors for sarin. Five of those arrested were freed after a brief detention. The others, including the ringleader, Haytham Qassab, for whom the prosecutor requested a prison sentence of 25 years, were released pending trial. In the meantime the Turkish press has been rife with speculation that the Erdo?an administration has been covering up the extent of its involvement with the rebels. In a news conference last summer, Aydin Sezgin, Turkey’s ambassador to Moscow, dismissed the arrests and claimed to reporters that the recovered ‘sarin’ was merely ‘anti-freeze’.


The DIA paper took the arrests as evidence that al-Nusra was expanding its access to chemical weapons. It said Qassab had ‘self-identified’ as a member of al-Nusra, and that he was directly connected to Abd-al-Ghani, the ‘ANF emir for military manufacturing’. Qassab and his associate Khalid Ousta worked with Halit Unalkaya, an employee of a Turkish firm called Zirve Export, who provided ‘price quotes for bulk quantities of sarin precursors’. Abd-al-Ghani’s plan was for two associates to ‘perfect a process for making sarin, then go to Syria to train others to begin large scale production at an unidentified lab in Syria’. The DIA paper said that one of his operatives had purchased a precursor on the ‘Baghdad chemical market’, which ‘has supported at least seven CW efforts since 2004’.


A series of chemical weapon attacks in March and April 2013 was investigated over the next few months by a special UN mission to Syria. A person with close knowledge of the UN’s activity in Syria told me that there was evidence linking the Syrian opposition to the first gas attack, on 19 March in Khan Al-Assal, a village near Aleppo. In its final report in December, the mission said that at least 19 civilians and one Syrian soldier were among the fatalities, along with scores of injured. It had no mandate to assign responsibility for the attack, but the person with knowledge of the UN’s activities said: ‘Investigators interviewed the people who were there, including the doctors who treated the victims. It was clear that the rebels used the gas


In the months before the attacks began, a former senior Defense Department official told me, the DIA was circulating a daily classified report known as SYRUP on all intelligence related to the Syrian conflict, including material on chemical weapons. But in the spring, distribution of the part of the report concerning chemical weapons was severely curtailed on the orders of Denis McDonough, the White House chief of staff. ‘Something was in there that triggered a shit fit by McDonough,’ the former Defense Department official said. ‘One day it was a huge deal, and then, after the March and April sarin attacks’ – he snapped his fingers – ‘it’s no longer there.’ The decision to restrict distribution was made as the joint chiefs ordered intensive contingency planning for a possible ground invasion of Syria whose primary objective would be the elimination of chemical weapons.


The former intelligence official said that many in the US national security establishment had long been troubled by the president’s red line: ‘The joint chiefs asked the White House, “What does red line mean? How does that translate into military orders? Troops on the ground? Massive strike? Limited strike?” They tasked military intelligence to study how we could carry out the threat. They learned nothing more about the president’s reasoning.’


In the aftermath of the 21 August attack Obama ordered the Pentagon to draw up targets for bombing. Early in the process, the former intelligence official said, ‘the White House rejected 35 target sets provided by the joint chiefs of staff as being insufficiently “painful” to the Assad regime.’ The original targets included only military sites and nothing by way of civilian infrastructure. Under White House pressure, the US attack plan evolved into ‘a monster strike’: two wings of B-52 bombers were shifted to airbases close to Syria, and navy submarines and ships equipped with Tomahawk missiles were deployed. ‘Every day the target list was getting longer,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘The Pentagon planners said we can’t use only Tomahawks to strike at Syria’s missile sites because their warheads are buried too far below ground, so the two B-52 air wings with two-thousand pound bombs were assigned to the mission. Then we’ll need standby search-and-rescue teams to recover downed pilots and drones for target selection. It became huge.’ The new target list was meant to ‘completely eradicate any military capabilities Assad had’, the former intelligence official said. The core targets included electric power grids, oil and gas depots, all known logistic and weapons depots, all known command and control facilities, and all known military and intelligence buildings.


Britain and France were both to play a part. On 29 August, the day Parliament voted against Cameron’s bid to join the intervention, the Guardian reported that he had already ordered six RAF Typhoon fighter jets to be deployed to Cyprus, and had volunteered a submarine capable of launching Tomahawk missiles. The French air force – a crucial player in the 2011 strikes on Libya – was deeply committed, according to an account in Le Nouvel Observateur; François Hollande had ordered several Rafale fighter-bombers to join the American assault. Their targets were reported to be in western Syria.


By the last days of August the president had given the Joint Chiefs a fixed deadline for the launch. ‘H hour was to begin no later than Monday morning [2 September], a massive assault to neutralise Assad,’ the former intelligence official said. So it was a surprise to many when during a speech in the White House Rose Garden on 31 August Obama said that the attack would be put on hold, and he would turn to Congress and put it to a vote.

At this stage, Obama’s premise – that only the Syrian army was capable of deploying sarin – was unravelling. Within a few days of the 21 August attack, the former intelligence official told me, Russian military intelligence operatives had recovered samples of the chemical agent from Ghouta. They analysed it and passed it on to British military intelligence; this was the material sent to Porton Down. (A spokesperson for Porton Down said: ‘Many of the samples analysed in the UK tested positive for the nerve agent sarin.’ MI6 said that it doesn’t comment on intelligence matters.)


The former intelligence official said the Russian who delivered the sample to the UK was ‘a good source – someone with access, knowledge and a record of being trustworthy’. After the first reported uses of chemical weapons in Syria last year, American and allied intelligence agencies ‘made an effort to find the answer as to what if anything, was used – and its source’, the former intelligence official said. ‘We use data exchanged as part of the Chemical Weapons Convention. The DIA’s baseline consisted of knowing the composition of each batch of Soviet-manufactured chemical weapons. But we didn’t know which batches the Assad government currently had in its arsenal. Within days of the Damascus incident we asked a source in the Syrian government to give us a list of the batches the government currently had. This is why we could confirm the difference so quickly.’


The process hadn’t worked as smoothly in the spring, the former intelligence official said, because the studies done by Western intelligence ‘were inconclusive as to the type of gas it was. The word “sarin” didn’t come up. There was a great deal of discussion about this, but since no one could conclude what gas it was, you could not say that Assad had crossed the president’s red line.’ By 21 August, the former intelligence official went on, ‘the Syrian opposition clearly had learned from this and announced that “sarin” from the Syrian army had been used, before any analysis could be made, and the press and White House jumped at it. Since it now was sarin, “It had to be Assad.”’


The UK defence staff who relayed the Porton Down findings to the joint chiefs were sending the Americans a message, the former intelligence official said: ‘We’re being set up here.’ (This account made sense of a terse message a senior official in the CIA sent in late August: ‘It was not the result of the current regime. UK & US know this.’) By then the attack was a few days away and American, British and French planes, ships and submarines were at the ready.


The officer ultimately responsible for the planning and execution of the attack was General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs. From the beginning of the crisis, the former intelligence official said, the joint chiefs had been sceptical of the administration’s argument that it had the facts to back up its belief in Assad’s guilt. They pressed the DIA and other agencies for more substantial evidence. ‘There was no way they thought Syria would use nerve gas at that stage, because Assad was winning the war,’ the former intelligence official said. Dempsey had irritated many in the Obama administration by repeatedly warning Congress over the summer of the danger of American military involvement in Syria. Last April, after an optimistic assessment of rebel progress by the secretary of state, John Kerry, in front of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Dempsey told the Senate Armed Services Committee that ‘there’s a risk that this conflict has become stalemated.’


Dempsey’s initial view after 21 August was that a US strike on Syria – under the assumption that the Assad government was responsible for the sarin attack – would be a military blunder, the former intelligence official said. The Porton Down report caused the joint chiefs to go to the president with a more serious worry: that the attack sought by the White House would be an unjustified act of aggression. It was the joint chiefs who led Obama to change course. The official White House explanation for the turnabout – the story the press corps told – was that the president, during a walk in the Rose Garden with Denis McDonough, his chief of staff, suddenly decided to seek approval for the strike from a bitterly divided Congress with which he’d been in conflict for years. The former Defense Department official told me that the White House provided a different explanation to members of the civilian leadership of the Pentagon: the bombing had been called off because there was intelligence ‘that the Middle East would go up in smoke’ if it was carried out.


The president’s decision to go to Congress was initially seen by senior aides in the White House, the former intelligence official said, as a replay of George W. Bush’s gambit in the autumn of 2002 before the invasion of Iraq: ‘When it became clear that there were no WMD in Iraq, Congress, which had endorsed the Iraqi war, and the White House both shared the blame and repeatedly cited faulty intelligence. If the current Congress were to vote to endorse the strike, the White House could again have it both ways – wallop Syria with a massive attack and validate the president’s red line commitment, while also being able to share the blame with Congress if it came out that the Syrian military wasn’t behind the attack.’ The turnabout came as a surprise even to the Democratic leadership in Congress. In September the Wall Street Journal reported that three days before his Rose Garden speech Obama had telephoned Nancy Pelosi, leader of the House Democrats, ‘to talk through the options’. She later told colleagues, according to the Journal, that she hadn’t asked the president to put the bombing to a congressional vote.


Obama’s move for congressional approval quickly became a dead end. ‘Congress was not going to let this go by,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘Congress made it known that, unlike the authorisation for the Iraq war, there would be substantive hearings.’ At this point, there was a sense of desperation in the White House, the former intelligence official said. ‘And so out comes Plan B. Call off the bombing strike and Assad would agree to unilaterally sign the chemical warfare treaty and agree to the destruction of all of chemical weapons under UN supervision.’ At a press conference in London on 9 September, Kerry was still talking about intervention: ‘The risk of not acting is greater than the risk of acting.’ But when a reporter asked if there was anything Assad could do to stop the bombing, Kerry said: ‘Sure. He could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week … But he isn’t about to do it, and it can’t be done, obviously.’ As the New York Times reported the next day, the Russian-brokered deal that emerged shortly afterwards had first been discussed by Obama and Putin in the summer of 2012. Although the strike plans were shelved, the administration didn’t change its public assessment of the justification for going to war. ‘There is zero tolerance at that level for the existence of error,’ the former intelligence official said of the senior officials in the White House. ‘They could not afford to say: “We were wrong.”’ (The DNI spokesperson said: ‘The Assad regime, and only the Assad regime, could have been responsible for the chemical weapons attack that took place on 21 August.’)




The full extent of US co-operation with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar in assisting the rebel opposition in Syria has yet to come to light. The Obama administration has never publicly admitted to its role in creating what the CIA calls a ‘rat line’, a back channel highway into Syria. The rat line, authorised in early 2012, was used to funnel weapons and ammunition from Libya via southern Turkey and across the Syrian border to the opposition. Many of those in Syria who ultimately received the weapons were jihadists, some of them affiliated with al-Qaida. (The DNI spokesperson said: ‘The idea that the United States was providing weapons from Libya to anyone is false.’)


In January, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report on the assault by a local militia in September 2012 on the American consulate and a nearby undercover CIA facility in Benghazi, which resulted in the death of the US ambassador, Christopher Stevens, and three others. The report’s criticism of the State Department for not providing adequate security at the consulate, and of the intelligence community for not alerting the US military to the presence of a CIA outpost in the area, received front-page coverage and revived animosities in Washington, with Republicans accusing Obama and Hillary Clinton of a cover-up. A highly classified annex to the report, not made public, described a secret agreement reached in early 2012 between the Obama and Erdo?an administrations. It pertained to the rat line. By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria. A number of front companies were set up in Libya, some under the cover of Australian entities. Retired American soldiers, who didn’t always know who was really employing them, were hired to manage procurement and shipping. The operation was run by David Petraeus, the CIA director who would soon resign when it became known he was having an affair with his biographer. (A spokesperson for Petraeus denied the operation ever took place.)


The operation had not been disclosed at the time it was set up to the congressional intelligence committees and the congressional leadership, as required by law since the 1970s. The involvement of MI6 enabled the CIA to evade the law by classifying the mission as a liaison operation. The former intelligence official explained that for years there has been a recognised exception in the law that permits the CIA not to report liaison activity to Congress, which would otherwise be owed a finding. (All proposed CIA covert operations must be described in a written document, known as a ‘finding’, submitted to the senior leadership of Congress for approval.) Distribution of the annex was limited to the staff aides who wrote the report and to the eight ranking members of Congress – the Democratic and Republican leaders of the House and Senate, and the Democratic and Republicans leaders on the House and Senate intelligence committees. This hardly constituted a genuine attempt at oversight: the eight leaders are not known to gather together to raise questions or discuss the secret information they receive.


The annex didn’t tell the whole story of what happened in Benghazi before the attack, nor did it explain why the American consulate was attacked. ‘The consulate’s only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms,’ the former intelligence official, who has read the annex, said. ‘It had no real political role.’


Washington abruptly ended the CIA’s role in the transfer of arms from Libya after the attack on the consulate, but the rat line kept going. ‘The United States was no longer in control of what the Turks were relaying to the jihadists,’ the former intelligence official said. Within weeks, as many as forty portable surface-to-air missile launchers, commonly known as manpads, were in the hands of Syrian rebels. On 28 November 2012, Joby Warrick of the Washington Post reported that the previous day rebels near Aleppo had used what was almost certainly a manpad to shoot down a Syrian transport helicopter. ‘The Obama administration,’ Warrick wrote, ‘has steadfastly opposed arming Syrian opposition forces with such missiles, warning that the weapons could fall into the hands of terrorists and be used to shoot down commercial aircraft.’ Two Middle Eastern intelligence officials fingered Qatar as the source, and a former US intelligence analyst speculated that the manpads could have been obtained from Syrian military outposts overrun by the rebels. There was no indication that the rebels’ possession of manpads was likely the unintended consequence of a covert US programme that was no longer under US control.


By the end of 2012, it was believed throughout the American intelligence community that the rebels were losing the war. ‘Erdo?an was pissed,’ the former intelligence official said, ‘and felt he was left hanging on the vine. It was his money and the cut-off was seen as a betrayal.’ In spring 2013 US intelligence learned that the Turkish government – through elements of the MIT, its national intelligence agency, and the Gendarmerie, a militarised law-enforcement organisation – was working directly with al-Nusra and its allies to develop a chemical warfare capability. ‘The MIT was running the political liaison with the rebels, and the Gendarmerie handled military logistics, on-the-scene advice and training – including training in chemical warfare,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘Stepping up Turkey’s role in spring 2013 was seen as the key to its problems there. Erdo?an knew that if he stopped his support of the jihadists it would be all over. The Saudis could not support the war because of logistics – the distances involved and the difficulty of moving weapons and supplies. Erdo?an’s hope was to instigate an event that would force the US to cross the red line. But Obama didn’t respond in March and April.’


There was no public sign of discord when Erdo?an and Obama met on 16 May 2013 at the White House. At a later press conference Obama said that they had agreed that Assad ‘needs to go’. Asked whether he thought Syria had crossed the red line, Obama acknowledged that there was evidence such weapons had been used, but added, ‘it is important for us to make sure that we’re able to get more specific information about what exactly is happening there.’ The red line was still intact.


An American foreign policy expert who speaks regularly with officials in Washington and Ankara told me about a working dinner Obama held for Erdo?an during his May visit. The meal was dominated by the Turks’ insistence that Syria had crossed the red line and their complaints that Obama was reluctant to do anything about it. Obama was accompanied by John Kerry and Tom Donilon, the national security adviser who would soon leave the job. Erdo?an was joined by Ahmet Davuto?lu, Turkey’s foreign minister, and Hakan Fidan, the head of the MIT. Fidan is known to be fiercely loyal to Erdo?an, and has been seen as a consistent backer of the radical rebel opposition in Syria.


The foreign policy expert told me that the account he heard originated with Donilon. (It was later corroborated by a former US official, who learned of it from a senior Turkish diplomat.) According to the expert, Erdo?an had sought the meeting to demonstrate to Obama that the red line had been crossed, and had brought Fidan along to state the case. When Erdo?an tried to draw Fidan into the conversation, and Fidan began speaking, Obama cut him off and said: ‘We know.’ Erdo?an tried to bring Fidan in a second time, and Obama again cut him off and said: ‘We know.’ At that point, an exasperated Erdo?an said, ‘But your red line has been crossed!’ and, the expert told me, ‘Donilon said Erdo?an “fucking waved his finger at the president inside the White House”.’ Obama then pointed at Fidan and said: ‘We know what you’re doing with the radicals in Syria.’ (Donilon, who joined the Council on Foreign Relations last July, didn’t respond to questions about this story. The Turkish Foreign Ministry didn’t respond to questions about the dinner. A spokesperson for the National Security Council confirmed that the dinner took place and provided a photograph showing Obama, Kerry, Donilon, Erdo?an, Fidan and Davuto?lu sitting at a table. ‘Beyond that,’ she said, ‘I’m not going to read out the details of their discussions.’)


But Erdo?an did not leave empty handed. Obama was still permitting Turkey to continue to exploit a loophole in a presidential executive order prohibiting the export of gold to Iran, part of the US sanctions regime against the country. In March 2012, responding to sanctions of Iranian banks by the EU, the SWIFT electronic payment system, which facilitates cross-border payments, expelled dozens of Iranian financial institutions, severely restricting the country’s ability to conduct international trade. The US followed with the executive order in July, but left what came to be known as a ‘golden loophole’: gold shipments to private Iranian entities could continue. Turkey is a major purchaser of Iranian oil and gas, and it took advantage of the loophole by depositing its energy payments in Turkish lira in an Iranian account in Turkey; these funds were then used to purchase Turkish gold for export to confederates in Iran. Gold to the value of $13 billion reportedly entered Iran in this way between March 2012 and July 2013.


The programme quickly became a cash cow for corrupt politicians and traders in Turkey, Iran and the United Arab Emirates. ‘The middlemen did what they always do,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘Take 15 per cent. The CIA had estimated that there was as much as two billion dollars in skim. Gold and Turkish lira were sticking to fingers.’ The illicit skimming flared into a public ‘gas for gold’ scandal in Turkey in December, and resulted in charges against two dozen people, including prominent businessmen and relatives of government officials, as well as the resignations of three ministers, one of whom called for Erdo?an to resign. The chief executive of a Turkish state-controlled bank that was in the middle of the scandal insisted that more than $4.5 million in cash found by police in shoeboxes during a search of his home was for charitable donations.


Late last year Jonathan Schanzer and Mark Dubowitz reported in Foreign Policy that the Obama administration closed the golden loophole in January 2013, but ‘lobbied to make sure the legislation … did not take effect for six months’. They speculated that the administration wanted to use the delay as an incentive to bring Iran to the bargaining table over its nuclear programme, or to placate its Turkish ally in the Syrian civil war. The delay permitted Iran to ‘accrue billions of dollars more in gold, further undermining the sanctions regime’.




The American decision to end CIA support of the weapons shipments into Syria left Erdo?an exposed politically and militarily. ‘One of the issues at that May summit was the fact that Turkey is the only avenue to supply the rebels in Syria,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘It can’t come through Jordan because the terrain in the south is wide open and the Syrians are all over it. And it can’t come through the valleys and hills of Lebanon – you can’t be sure who you’d meet on the other side.’ Without US military support for the rebels, the former intelligence official said, ‘Erdo?an’s dream of having a client state in Syria is evaporating and he thinks we’re the reason why. When Syria wins the war, he knows the rebels are just as likely to turn on him – where else can they go? So now he will have thousands of radicals in his backyard.’


A US intelligence consultant told me that a few weeks before 21 August he saw a highly classified briefing prepared for Dempsey and the defense secretary, Chuck Hagel, which described ‘the acute anxiety’ of the Erdo?an administration about the rebels’ dwindling prospects. The analysis warned that the Turkish leadership had expressed ‘the need to do something that would precipitate a US military response’. By late summer, the Syrian army still had the advantage over the rebels, the former intelligence official said, and only American air power could turn the tide. In the autumn, the former intelligence official went on, the US intelligence analysts who kept working on the events of 21 August ‘sensed that Syria had not done the gas attack. But the 500 pound gorilla was, how did it happen? The immediate suspect was the Turks, because they had all the pieces to make it happen.’


As intercepts and other data related to the 21 August attacks were gathered, the intelligence community saw evidence to support its suspicions. ‘We now know it was a covert action planned by Erdo?an’s people to push Obama over the red line,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘They had to escalate to a gas attack in or near Damascus when the UN inspectors’ – who arrived in Damascus on 18 August to investigate the earlier use of gas – ‘were there. The deal was to do something spectacular. Our senior military officers have been told by the DIA and other intelligence assets that the sarin was supplied through Turkey – that it could only have gotten there with Turkish support. The Turks also provided the training in producing the sarin and handling it.’ Much of the support for that assessment came from the Turks themselves, via intercepted conversations in the immediate aftermath of the attack. ‘Principal evidence came from the Turkish post-attack joy and back-slapping in numerous intercepts. Operations are always so super-secret in the planning but that all flies out the window when it comes to crowing afterwards. There is no greater vulnerability than in the perpetrators claiming credit for success.’ Erdo?an’s problems in Syria would soon be over: ‘Off goes the gas and Obama will say red line and America is going to attack Syria, or at least that was the idea. But it did not work out that way.’


The post-attack intelligence on Turkey did not make its way to the White House. ‘Nobody wants to talk about all this,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘There is great reluctance to contradict the president, although no all-source intelligence community analysis supported his leap to convict. There has not been one single piece of additional evidence of Syrian involvement in the sarin attack produced by the White House since the bombing raid was called off. My government can’t say anything because we have acted so irresponsibly. And since we blamed Assad, we can’t go back and blame Erdo?an.’


Turkey’s willingness to manipulate events in Syria to its own purposes seemed to be demonstrated late last month, a few days before a round of local elections, when a recording, allegedly of a government national security meeting, was posted to YouTube. It included discussion of a false-flag operation that would justify an incursion by the Turkish military in Syria. The operation centred on the tomb of Suleyman Shah, the grandfather of the revered Osman I, founder of the Ottoman Empire, which is near Aleppo and was ceded to Turkey in 1921, when Syria was under French rule. One of the Islamist rebel factions was threatening to destroy the tomb as a site of idolatry, and the Erdo?an administration was publicly threatening retaliation if harm came to it. According to a Reuters report of the leaked conversation, a voice alleged to be Fidan’s spoke of creating a provocation: ‘Now look, my commander, if there is to be justification, the justification is I send four men to the other side. I get them to fire eight missiles into empty land [in the vicinity of the tomb]. That’s not a problem. Justification can be created.’ The Turkish government acknowledged that there had been a national security meeting about threats emanating from Syria, but said the recording had been manipulated. The government subsequently blocked public access to YouTube.


Barring a major change in policy by Obama, Turkey’s meddling in the Syrian civil war is likely to go on. ‘I asked my colleagues if there was any way to stop Erdo?an’s continued support for the rebels, especially now that it’s going so wrong,’ the former intelligence official told me. ‘The answer was: “We’re screwed.” We could go public if it was somebody other than Erdo?an, but Turkey is a special case. They’re a Nato ally. The Turks don’t trust the West. They can’t live with us if we take any active role against Turkish interests. If we went public with what we know about Erdo?an’s role with the gas, it’d be disastrous. The Turks would say: “We hate you for telling us what we can and can’t do.”’


4 April


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Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:27 | 4654424 Seize Mars
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Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:46 | 4654484 maskone909
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Let's notice the first seal. "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer"(Rev. 6:1-2).

Not religious really, but interestigg to say the least.
According to prophecy, we will be deceived by a ruler who first appeared loyal, empathetic, and honest.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:00 | 4654509 Latina Lover
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Did the seals say anything about the beasts being a bisexual, crack smoking, mulatto, illegal?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:10 | 4654536 shermacman
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Those details were lost in translation from the original Armenaic. And the word 'trillion' hadn't been invented back then so the seals couldn't have predicted our national debt.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:32 | 4654594 strannick
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There is still a nation with strong leadership and respect for Christian values, where the Church is growing..

Unfortunately, its not AmeriKa

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:38 | 4654801 LMAOLORI
Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:17 | 4655176 gmrpeabody
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Well..., that's one difference between him and Obama.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:08 | 4655576 Vagabond
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We're witnessing a global soap opera.  In this episode: the balance of power begins to shift.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:50 | 4654981 Dick Buttkiss
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"Does not Obama’s incredible follies and abuses of power here described provide a palpable warning that it is time to dismantle the Warfare State? That is, before still another election turns out to be a mere ratification of an American Imperium being conducted by a permanent rogue regime buried deep within the Warfare State that our national security no longer requires?"

The Warfare State was never required and, on the contrary, was and remains an offense against a nation founded on "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none," and no standing army, much less less a military-industrial, money-and-banking deep state that answers to no one and will stop at nothing to perpetuate itself.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:29 | 4655053 drendebe10
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"power drunk amateur"...great description of the arrogant narcissist lying illegal alien kenyan muslim sociopathic ignoramus fudge packer in chief...

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:40 | 4655081 Dick Buttkiss
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A puppet, regardless, so get over it, and get on with it:

The first, most fundamental, and most necessary step in the transition to a free society is the demise of the modern “monster state.” And the first, most fundamental, and most necessary step in this process is the demise of the monstrous American state, its erstwhile role as a beacon to the world having long ago given way to a superpower that brings not light but heat, pulling a shroud over its own people in the process.  The monster will object that it only wants to keep its people warm and safe, of course, but as people elsewhere start kicking their shrouds off, it is increasingly clear that the status – as in statist – quo is changing and that neither suffocating domestic policies nor incendiary foreign ones will be tolerated much longer.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 23:19 | 4655634 acetinker
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Here ya' go, Dick-  The dude-

America!, where are you now

Don't you care about

Your sons and daughters?

Don't you know

We need you now

We can't fight alone

Against the Monster

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 00:09 | 4655804 TrollHurter
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Now that , drende, is funny.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:28 | 4654784 DarthVaderMentor
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Well said, but the language is Aramaic, not Armenaic.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:58 | 4655655 acetinker
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I am not your rolling wheel, I am the highway.  Darth is a fictional character.  I, on the other hand have been here many times- never yet perfected. Oh well.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:38 | 4655211 drstrangelove73
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No and neither does CBS,NBC,ABC,CNN,etc.,etc.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:51 | 4654499 Oquities
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pipelines.  if US had overthrown Assad you'd see pipelines with natgas from Saudis et al, then that would be first US move.  then Putin resolves the Syria crisis and US destabilizes Ukraine, land of the Russian pipelines.  Russia stands up - now it's US move. pipelines for European warmth and German factories, Russina checkmate.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:00 | 4654508 johngaltfla
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Here is a red line which is valid, will be supported, and trigger a massive worldwide conflict which does not involve the fraud in the White House:

Iran Crosses Israel’s Red Line: Claims Entitlement to Enrich Uranium at 90% Weapons Grade Level



Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:24 | 4654775 newworldorder
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I don't understand the down arrow here.

Absolutely correct. Like it or not, Israel sees this event as the start of another Holocaust that Jews through out the world will never accept.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:06 | 4654897 johngaltfla
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There are several types of "down arrow" voters who lurk but rarely contribute at ZH:


1. Paid/unpaid Obama stooges.

2. Anti-Israeli lobby

3. Anti-American groups

4. Anti-Capitalist groups


I get my fair share so it means I'm pissing everyone off and that's cool with me.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:53 | 4654988 DoChenRollingBearing
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You two guys are NOT pissing me off, good work.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:27 | 4655193 YHC-FTSE
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Wrong. I like the sneaky way you equate anti-israel with anti-American, anti-capitalist,  and pro-Obummer,  which is just par for the course for evil cunts who support Israel. 

Next you will be saying being anti-israel equates to anti-Jewish or antisemitic,  no? You'll be wrong again. There are plenty of decent jewish folks who loathe the israeli government,  the writer of this article among them. 

When it ceases to be the thieving, warmongering cunt of a country it is now, I'll defer, but until then fuck you very much. Disgusting zionist bastard. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:42 | 4655212 Quus Ant
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Oh shit..... he's slinging comments and he don't care who he piss off........

stone cold killa.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:24 | 4655605 TheReplacement
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1.  Socialist/communist/marxist/whateverists

2.  This began as a Soviet disinformation campaign.

3.  This began as a Soviet disinformation campaign.

4.  This began as a Soviet disinformation campaign.

I add that Putin is 'former' KGB (the Soviet agency behind the above disinformation campaigns).  Who is our primary nemesis now?  Same as during the cold war - the Russians.

The sad part is that our government has been captured by pretty much the same group of people - see item 1.  The main difference is that when you look in the dictionary under amateur you will see our 'leaders'. 

We can only hope that Putin is smart enough for both of them so we don't have WWIII.  That or our leaders become ex-leaders.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:21 | 4655286 Quus Ant
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Sorry, brother.  I don't down arrow usually on principle, but you crossed my red line.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:23 | 4655464 robobbob
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ah, but who or what is Israel?

Is it the Ashkanzi frauds pulling the strings? Or is it the Shepherdic natives that the elites detest and have painted an enormous WMD bullseye on?

I think shortly we will see large numbers of Torah followers struck down followed by a wave zionists with crocodile tears demanding to build a monument to never again on their graves.

I'm pretty sure we've seen this movie before.

research gruenwald and the hungarian truck deal.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:07 | 4655566 Quus Ant
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"Gruenwald and the Hungarian Truck Deal" 

My mom read that book to me when I was a young Quus Ant.  Good times.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:07 | 4655264 WhackoWarner
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yes well.  Is not about time that USA uSA USA took care of their owm?  There is so much more here, So much more that 300 million people have to wake up to.  Who gives a frig about Obama?

He was elected to represent the law.  To represent the principles. 

We can analyse this forever.  But it amounts to a sickness that just does not go away.  Analyse and be as clever as yo can be,  Solves nothing.  All this article does is "chest=pump" the insight.  This is is a sad and deluded nation.  YOU elected this.  It is your responsibilty.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:15 | 4655591 TheReplacement
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That about sums it up.

Save for, then and than.  Please writers of the world and especially ZH, learn the difference.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:30 | 4654433 magpie
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Seems like the West has found its designated bagholder, Mr. RTE.

Hillary/Holder 2016.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:36 | 4654809 LMAOLORI
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The bag holders are the U.S. Taxpayers


"At the helm of the new energy diplomacy effort is Carlos Pascual, a former American ambassador to Ukraine, who leads the State Department’s Bureau of Energy Resources. The 85-person bureau was created in late 2011 by Hillary Rodham Clinton, the secretary of state at the time, for the purpose of channeling the domestic energy boom into a geopolitical tool to advance American interests around the world."

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:30 | 4654434 PacOps
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"In short, a power-drunk amateur in the White House"

Sums it up.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:33 | 4654599 optimator
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He's only following his orders, that was the deal for a decade of free gold, free trips, etc for him and the extended family and friends.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:46 | 4654649 Kayman
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The MIC knew Obama was a charlatan before he stepped foot into the Oval Office. Pliable as silly putty.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:00 | 4655127 PhysicalRealm
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"Americans buy war like children gobble candy. Of course, Baracky [President Obama] has to be publicly reluctant to go to war, but we can depend on him."
    - Henry Kissinger, _Can Anyone Stop Bilderberg’s Lust for War?_, July 4, 2011


Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:36 | 4655946 putaipan
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part of hersch's reporting and stockman's commentary points to the military keeping us out of this particular shitstorm .... now, as for the banking industrial complex ,well .....

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:32 | 4654440 Tinky
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Well, at least Obama's Health Care initiative was a smashing success.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:02 | 4654512 nmewn
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Yes, everyones saving $2,500 a year!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:55 | 4654997 DoChenRollingBearing
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If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor!  Ditto health plan.  Wheeeee !!!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:32 | 4654441 Fuh Querada
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Stockman is getting more long-winded with each post. How about a management summary in 250 words?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:46 | 4654647 SubjectivObject
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You did notice he appends the article by Seymour Hersch?

Which in itself precludes aprehension by the ADHD afflicted.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:50 | 4654657 Kayman
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Fuh Querada

Barry = Puppet.  MIC, Assad, Putin, Ergoyan = Bad.

Yeah- the capacity to read beyond the length of a Tweet must be a curse.

sarc/ no-sarc

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:34 | 4654444 Stinko da Munk
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In the immortal words of the H-Beast: "What difference at this point does it make?"

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:27 | 4654579 ArkansasAngie
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It matters to me
Neither a republican nor democrat be
Leave no incumbent in office

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:05 | 4655911 intric8
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Can you imagine how peaceful it would be if the usa were not beholden isreal? Or the fed res? The ants and the grass, all of us, would be doing our own thing, working toward our own prosperity. For those who have never lived in a different country and arent subject to all the neocon/republican agendad war mongering HYPE, its only then when you realize u.s. citizens are being massively conditioned and programmed. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:36 | 4654448 Kreditanstalt
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Why not go after the idiot voters who installed these criminals instead of merely the head sock puppet himself?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:43 | 4654471 yogibear
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Please, that would take an intelligence test.  

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:04 | 4654520 Leaping Lizard
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The "idiot voters" wanted Ron Paul but were denied at every turn through the nomination process.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:35 | 4654605 optimator
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It was still fun to watch the media and the in crowd absolutely panic at the mere thought of Dr. Paul even getting a few words in here and there.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:37 | 4654612 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Yes, channelled and manipulated by a controlled Fascist press.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:59 | 4655248 logicalman
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Government is the problem.

Countries are fictions created by governments to divide, conquer and control.

Without governmnet war is impossible.

Some of the reasons I'm an anarchist.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:17 | 4654748 newworldorder
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The older I have become - the less optimistic I have become. My start point on the political spectrum was the Assassinations of MLK, B Kennedy and the 1968 Democratic Convention. I have to tell you all, that the America of the WW2 generation died between 1968 and 1975. Think of what transpired during that time and tell me I am wrong.

In subsequent years "the idiot voters as you say," were captured by left/right ultra extremists, catering to the vanities, fears, greed and selfishness, of the majority as well every minority group imaginable, - to the point where we as a people no longer know who we are.

Some, long for a simpler America - but going back is not an option. The blueprint has been lost and most liberals today will tell you that we were a racist America back then. While that is true - there was a goodness in people that could have fixed that problem. Today, we are more divided than ever as most have lost the skill of critical thinking and respect of others point of view.

Soon, we will begin the argument of how to divide the spoils as we seek others with a commonality of belief and point of view.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:19 | 4654924 blankfeinsmom
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Good post

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:35 | 4655067 drendebe10
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The arrogant narcissist lying illegal alien kenyan sociopathic ignoramus fudge packer in chief has made rhe USSA more divided than just b4 the Civil War...  for the sake of maintaiming its grand imperial life style and to keep the democraps in power @  thw expense of the tax payong peadants and serfs...

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:42 | 4655358 Atticus Finch
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Read Howard Zinn's, A People's History of the United States. The America we all learned about in school has always been a lie from the very beginning. What all of us learned in school was a fantasy.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 21:13 | 4655402 Aussie V
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Great Post! I often think of Eisenhowers outgoing speech as President where he warned those "with ears to hear" of the Military Industrial Complex.

When you consider his thinking, his final address as a President, that was his choice of topic. He may have his detractors as a President but, he proved to be a moral and pretty honest man as a General and Politician. As politicians go anyway.

He knew what was afoot and, he knew about the potential of that monster which was lurking in the darkness yet still had it's claws in every small town of the country just waiting to take control of the 'corridors of power' and, unleash it's fury on 'other parts of the world'. Uncultered people like, "Gooks" Slopeheads" Asians and Muslims etc. who were easily maligned and easily manipulated into enemyized targets.

When you consider Eisenhowers choice of topic, historical legacy, and the insight he possessed at the time, it was a stark warning that few took notice of at the time. History has now forged Eisenhower as a kind of Cold War Prophet of sorts.

JFK as a milestone warning to any future President thinking of 'bucking the system' and LBJ & Nixon provide the proof of the Military Industrial Complex's insatiable appetite for destruction and death.  

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:40 | 4655618 TheReplacement
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Don't you mean the left and further left?  The right has been left unrepresented for quite a long time.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 01:48 | 4655956 putaipan
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i'm so far left, that i am right. and, i am so far right that iam left out.


as for the sub-topic here regarding zinn and usa usa usa ... well that is kind of our crowning achievment- reconcieving the best of ourselves and selling that notion to the rest of the world-


and we got some serious reconcievin' to do this time.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:39 | 4655350 Atticus Finch
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The voters didn't install these catamites. All of them are pre-selected at Bilderberg.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:46 | 4654458 JustObserving
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But if the US media refuse to report this story, did it ever exist? Kudos to Zero Hedge for carrying stories that no US media will touch:

Media blacks out Seymour Hersh exposé of US lies on Syrian gas attack

By Patrick Martin 
8 April 2014

Nearly two days after the London Review of Books published a lengthy exposé by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh detailing efforts by the Turkish government to stage a provocation to bring the US military directly into the civil war in Syria, the US media has blacked out the report.

Hersh, who has authored groundbreaking investigative reports uncovering US atrocities, including the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War and the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib during the Iraq war, titled his article on last August’s sarin gas attack outside of Damascus “The Red Line and the Rat Line.”

The “red line” refers to President Obama’s threat to attack Syria if the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons. The “rat line” was a CIA-organized supply chain running from Benghazi, Libya through southern Turkey and into Syria, which was used to smuggle weapons to the Syrian “rebels.”

The article describes efforts by the Turkish government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to assist Syrian “rebels” of the al-Nusra Front, an Islamist force linked to Al Qaeda, in staging the poison gas attack on Ghouta on August 21, 2013.

Hundreds died in the atrocity, which the Obama White House seized on as a casus belli to bomb Syria. Faced with deep divisions within the American state and problems mobilizing US allies in Europe, and broad popular opposition to a new war in the Middle East, Obama eventually pulled back and in September accepted a face-saving deal brokered by Russian President Vladimir Putin for the supervised destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons stocks.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:48 | 4655226 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yeah it's funny that The New Yorker, which regularly published Hersh's work during the Bush administration, can't seem to find the space to print this.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:51 | 4655311 JustObserving
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Yes, can you believe that one of our finest journalists cannot have his stories published anywhere in the land of the free?  And then again, it is not a major British newspaper that publishes his story but the London Review of Books (circulation 59,265). The New Yorker has a circulation 17 times higher than the London Review of Books.

Is there even a hint of a free press left in the home of the brave?  If you are an aspiring journalist dedicated to the truth, do you have a snowball's chance in hell of making a career here? But that is what happens in a fascist, police state - the press is transformed into presstitutes as Gerald Celente puts it.

All "journalists" do in the land of the free is to puke the pure propaganda proffered by the Pentagon.

BTW, an earlier story by Seymour Hersh (Whose Sarin?, December 19, 2013) was also blacked out by the presstitutes:

Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:39 | 4654459 Landrew
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It's always what we DON'T know that is scarier then what we are told.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:56 | 4655121 MisterMousePotato
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I would have to disagree. Because more people are familiar with Ronald Reagan than they are Josh Billings:

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:40 | 4654463 Ban KKiller
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I wish Obama was calling the shots. He is not. He is a puppet, that is clear. The "Welfare State", aka, MIC, aka, big brother, THEY run the show with the banksters. Oh and some other fascists too, Koch brothers come to mind. 

"We have always been at war with__________", yeah, everyone says so. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:51 | 4654497 Elliott Eldrich
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I've grown weary of the term "puppet" being used to describe politicians, when there is a much, much better word to use; "catamite." Myself, that's the only word I'll use now to describe the sex toys of billionaires.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:07 | 4654527 Leaping Lizard
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It appears that that term is quite literally correct for Barry in his teen-age years in Hawaii.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:51 | 4655229 Buckaroo Banzai
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If Obama was "in charge", he wouldn't have the first fucking clue what to do. He's a lazy narcissistic sociopath who never had an original thought in his life. You seriously need to revisit your assumptions.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:42 | 4654470 Make_Mine_A_Double
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I think it was a Danish Op Ed piece years ago noted that when ObOzO was first elected he wasn't the problem, but a symptom of an American electorate that had become fundamentally unserious.

I seriously doubt we get thru the next 3 years without civil unrest.  

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:25 | 4654935 N57Mike
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No, it was Czech... possibly penned by former Czech president Vaclav Klaus criticizes those who voted for Barack Obama.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:44 | 4654474 max2205
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Follow the money....was any of the skim US taxpayer money?  If so I hope someone pays the price

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:44 | 4654477 Landrew
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O'Bummer the war monger, how could the Nobel committee be so STUPID? I doubt I will ever read a Nobel headline for anything anymore. I work in science ,I had questions and now I know why.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:02 | 4655000 flapdoodle
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Obama's "Nobel Peace Prize" is one of the scariest aspects of his presidency in the sense that it is a naked show of power by TPTB, who are telling us "we can do anything we want, we can change reality and everything that might be important, sacred or of value to achieve our goals". Giving Obama the Peace Prize was just an attempt to improve Obama's questionable or at best mediocre credentials on the international scene.

Its like the movie "Matrix" where Agent Smith tells Neo, "how can you scream when you have no mouth?"

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:44 | 4654478 Jack Burton
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What a sick sad and deluded nation we have become. Now we are on another liberation, the liberation of Ukraine. How well do you think the Whore House in Washington will handle it? And please, for god's sake, spare me your Republicans will fix it all bullshit. Remember Bushy boy, and he did what? Where was America in 2008 when all the shit went south, Obama the fuckwad hadn't even got into office to screw it up and we were already fucked! Obama just made it worse. So, lets cheer team Red! Go team, you are so fucking good! "America, One party democracy". All else is a hoax for the sheep to involve their delussions in.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:56 | 4655120 drendebe10
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Its not the country, its the corrupt gummint...

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:22 | 4655181 Berspankme
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No, it's the people who elect the gubmint

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:33 | 4655329 Atticus Finch
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"What a sick sad and deluded nation we have become." I keep saying, there is no WE. It's them. The US flag is the flag of the owners. There is no WE in any of this.

The US flag does not represent its citizens. It is the flag of the owners. Think about that the next time you see a business or commercial that uses it to stuff it in your face.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:47 | 4654486 billhilly
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Who really deserves his Nobel Peace Prize ???

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:38 | 4654617 mc225
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dalai lama is a farce too. wake up.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:40 | 4654621 Yardfarmer
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@ mc225 +1 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:38 | 4654618 Yardfarmer
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do you mean the guy who wears a $60,000 rolex and works for British Intelligence MI6?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:46 | 4654646 0b1knob
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< None of the above.

< Nun O'Thea Bove

Who deserves the next Peach Cobbler Prize?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:55 | 4654489 Oh regional Indian
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Interesting that he chose to paint Obama as some vestal virgin who inherited all his troubles.

C'mon Hesrhy, info dis-info mofo!


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:58 | 4654505 thamnosma
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Was that Hersh or Stockman talking?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:13 | 4654541 Oh regional Indian
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You're right, it's stockman being the obama apologist.

Mr. Hersh, if you come this far, my apologies.



Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:47 | 4654491 yogibear
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Fail to preserve  the republic stand to lose it.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:56 | 4654492 RockyRacoon
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It's a no-win thingy.  Obama bombs Syria:  We have the article without Dempsey's intervention and the situation is a loser.  Obama doesn't bomb:  We have the above article, Obama still a loser, etc.   I'm glad that there is no Syrian war to deal with at this point.  My nightmare would be the McCain / Palin ticket in charge, with the added heft of the NeoCons pushing the buttons.  JFC, can't there ever be a silver-lining to anything?

Think of all the ink, paper, and electrons that have been spared not writing about how the U. S. war in Syria is going....

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:00 | 4654506 nmewn
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Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:27 | 4654577 RockyRacoon
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Glad you can see the humor in it all, albeit rather macabre.   I read the article some days ago and concluded that no war was a good thing.  But Obama is to blame for us not being at war?   I'd be the last to defend the clueless fella, but the difference between now and Iraq is that cooler heads have some influence.  Yet another war on trumped-up "facts" is not what I yearn for.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:55 | 4654672 nmewn
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Well, cooler heads and the public support wasn't there. The usual suspects didn't go along with the program this time, "its not our problem", was the common refrain.

Obama will never be viewed as a leader (with the history of animosity & deception he has toward the military & world leaders) who can be trusted. He only has himself to blame for that.

Which is fine by me.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:28 | 4654565 Winston Churchill
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McStain we know is insane.

Obozo is now too. if he wasn't all along.

Thie world is going to burn, make your peace with it.

Who the Gods would destroy they first........

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:30 | 4654586 RockyRacoon
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If the world wants to burn, I'll be there to supply the match, but at least let it be for a good reason.  Looks to me like the fire will start right here in the Good Ole USofA before anywhere else.   I've got a nice torch to go along with the pitchfork for that conflagration as well.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:41 | 4654819 Chief Wonder Bread
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Whom the Gods would destroy They first......

promise $250K speaking engagements?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:29 | 4654788 tenpanhandle
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Why worry about your nightmare when your daymare is Obama/Biden

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 14:58 | 4654504 Urban Roman
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Will it help to shout "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!" from my upstairs window?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:03 | 4654514 JustObserving
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David Stockman does not yet have the gigantic brass balls of Paul Craig Roberts but he is getting there.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:07 | 4654526 buzzsaw99
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1000 points of light.

City on a hill.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:09 | 4654531 Inthemix96
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You have to laugh 'cos if you didnt you would cry.

Correct me if I'm wrong here mind, but didnt they give the fucking pencil necked idiot clown cunt Sotero the Nobel Pieces Prize six months into his first term?

Says it all eh?  They are laughing their fucking tits off at us.  This clown and I use that term politely as he is the very worst statesman I have ever seen, including the bunch of in-bred child molesters that run the shit house here, is not quallified enough to sit down and watch your TV.

Sotero is without doubt, and I say this with some brevity, the worst politician in any country, at any time, I have ever seen.  The man is see through, transparent, a nothing, an empty suit, a waste of space, an affront to decency.  A consumate liar, a deceptive tele-promting reading fucking clown of the highest order and as much as I hate the war criminal with all my soul, worse than Tony B.Liar.

And believe you me, that takes some fucking doing beating the most disengenuous, catholic converting cunt that has ever walked this Earth.  But yes, Sotero even gives that cunt some credibility.


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:51 | 4654843 Dadburnitpa
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Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:01 | 4655129 drendebe10
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Now please tell us how u really feel..,

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:30 | 4655323 smacker
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And for me one big question about Tony Bliar is why he converted to Catholicism.

Answer: virtually all of Europe is Roman Catholic and he wouldn't get the unelected job as EU President if he remained Church of England.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:09 | 4654533 Perimetr
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The power-drunk amateur is now working on starting World War III with Russia.

If Obama allows his neocon advisors to unleash NATO in Ukraine, the end result will be a direct military confilct with Russia. 

US/NATO forces have no prospect of defeating Russian conventional forces at the Russian border. The only option other than defeat and withdrawal would be nuclear.

Missile defense will not save the cities of Europe from going up in nuclear flames. Time for the US puppet regimes in Europe to wake up to the apocalypse the fools in the White House appear to be intent upon igniting via NATO. 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:09 | 4654714 Kayman
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Watched 2 minutes on CNN/Fox ? this am about how the Russian stock market is down 20% and the ruble is down 20% and how the West is slowly strangling Putin.

WTF?  Have these dumb shits ever heard of the Maginot Line ?  These ignorant fucks haven't even opened their checker boards when Putin called checkmate.

If Obama and Cameron want WWIII over the Ukraine then they should keep doing what they are doing.  If Russia decided to move troops into Mexico under the guise of "freeing the people of Mexico from oppressive U.S. provocateurs, I suspect there could be a little bit of cognitive dissonance.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:51 | 4655379 angel_of_joy
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There is mainstream media, and then there is reality.

It is said that a picture is worth a thounsand words, and for a good reason.

Have a blast, courtesy of ZH...


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:35 | 4654804 pupdog1
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Power-drunk amateur storm rising.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:09 | 4654535 naughtius maximus
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If humanity doesn't fucking grow up in the next 40 years there will be no one to mourn for.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:15 | 4654545 thamnosma
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No worries, it will be the dawn of the great age of rodents and cockroaches.  It's their turn.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:26 | 4655187 Berspankme
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cockroaches already took over DC

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:26 | 4654575 Winston Churchill
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Days, my friend,days.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:36 | 4654609 thamnosma
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I hope not, I'm not ready.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:45 | 4654643 Winston Churchill
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None of us are, for what comes this way.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:53 | 4654664 Karl von Bahnhof
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Obama is the best Republican presidente ever.

GOP strategists must laugh all the days and nights with this clown in office.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:24 | 4655301 Atticus Finch
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You still talk in terms of Republicans and Democrats as if it matters. Get a grip and snap out of it.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:10 | 4654537 Carpenter1
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Vengeful Turkish leader who survived your attempt to remove him? Check

Victorious Syrian leader secretly admired by your allies? Check

Your greatest enemy having to save you from your own incompetence? Check

The whole world watching? Check


Rest assured that America's place atop the power pyramid has taken a massive hit and nations are now looking for an opportunity to overthrow what remains. Lots of blood in the water for the sharks

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:16 | 4654548 thamnosma
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It is truly amazing how quickly this has developed.  Two terms idiot manchild Bush and two terms Kenyan faggot was all it took.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:12 | 4654732 Kayman
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Now that is what I call a management summary !

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:21 | 4654763 NuYawkFrankie
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Dont forget Slick Willy

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:20 | 4655180 thamnosma
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Well, we can go back through quite a few administrations.   I start the truly rapid downfall with the invasion and occupation of Iraq.   That was our death-knell.  And, of course, 9/11 and the Patriot Act.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:41 | 4654824 Noob1011
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Ogolfer is so transparent you can see his white half.
Who gives a shit what colour the lying bastardized is.

I know that race relations will be set back 100 years after this race baiting pimp is out if office.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:47 | 4655627 Noob1011
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To all europeons: do you call your black citizen population, black Germans,black French, Black Italians,et al.

Only in AMERICA are black peeps labeled African Americans.

Wtf. Help me out here.

If I was black, i would be insulted.

Affirmative action dumbed down blacks.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 22:54 | 4655647 Noob1011
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The average IQ of an inner city black kid is 75. When Barry cuts off the freebies, prepare.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:06 | 4655014 Tulpa
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I am no friend of the Bush administration, but his level of idiocy is nowhere near BO's.  Bush had the sense to completely stay the fuck out of the Georgia and Lebanon conflicts during his time in office.  BO, being an attention whore, can't keep his fingers out of anything.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:19 | 4655177 thamnosma
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The occupation of Afghanistan and especially Iraq, the dangerously naive propaganda of "nation building" exposed America for being less effective than most believed.  That's on the Bush team.  Completely.  Saying Bush had the sense to stay out of Georgia and Lebanon when we have Iraq and Afghanistan to look at is absurd.

The Bush people were more professional, that's for sure.  These Obama regime minions are incredibly unprofessional, though quite dangerous.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 05:46 | 4656119 kurt
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No more Bush's no more Clintons:

Did you see her widely published "witch" pose when the shoe flew by? This is her natural state, revealed. Compare the hand wringing with the Wicked Witch of the West.


NO to Jeb

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:16 | 4654547 Gold N Glocks
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No surprise this is what you get when you start treating obozo's breed as equal.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:43 | 4654632 mc225
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i don't know what that's supposed to mean, but it's always surprising to me to have my preconceived notions about someone else shattered upon actual face-to-face contact.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:11 | 4654721 Bananamerican
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Yes, what NEEGROW could possibly match the grandeur of that pale saint, George W numbnuts the 1st?

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:05 | 4655141 drendebe10
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The fudge packer in chief has about as much in common with American blacksas white people do wiyh polar bears...

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:31 | 4654587 Yardfarmer
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Sy Hersh is one of the few independent investigative journalists left. He has chronicled the malfeasance, criminality, and outright treason through eight imperial presidencies . To this day not one of these imperial executives has been held accountable except Nixon and he probably for reasons other than his gross violation of the constitution and war crimes conventions. Each one of these autocratic puppets has unfailingly carried out the dictates of the cabal of corporate and internationalist oligarchs who installed them in the Oval Office. The American populace has rallied behind the horrific genocidal wars of each successive regime with an unparalleled alacrity compromised ironically only by a corresponding sense of apathy, indifference, and defeatism.

The latest occupant resident of the White House, distinguished only by a more general awareness of and public acknowledgement of the veritable sewer of corruption from which he has arisen, was the brand product of billion dollar public advertising campaigns successfully engineered by David Axerod's ADP Associates and designed to signify a radical departure from the nefarious and infernal lineage to which he eventually laid claim. As Mr. Hersh so admirably and yet so belatedly points out, this mulatto marionette dancing on the strings of his Wall Street and Illuminist masters has not only hypocritically betrayed the false hope and misplaced expectations engendered by this unprecedented advertising campaign, he has fortified, entrenched, and cemented the already deeply imbedded propensity for statist terror already indelibly etched in blood across the face of this nation and the world at large.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:58 | 4654680 11b40
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Well said.  Thanks.

My hope and my prayer is that our armed services will stop allowing this terrible misuse of our boood and treasure.  Slowly, but surely, I believe there is an awakening taking place.  That we ultimately did not invade Syria may have been due in large part to the resistance of the military.  Let's hope we see the same reaction in Ukraine.

Now, back to the Best Ranger 2014 Competiton!


Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:30 | 4655197 Berspankme
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My dream is that the people of this world will all tell the cunts in charge to get fucked, all lay down their arms and refuse to fight each other. It's really that simple- massive civil disobedience. Don't play their game

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:19 | 4654718 NuYawkFrankie
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Just about says it all - a veritable tour de force.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:13 | 4654731 Angus McHugepenis
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I'll just drop this link here. Seems appropriate.

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Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:20 | 4655283 janus
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excellent post, yardfarmer.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:43 | 4654602 Emergency Ward
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"Mad Dog" Obama was restrained by the Generals.  Driven by an urge to kill, he refuses to learn a thing.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:47 | 4654650 Winston Churchill
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Only one way to restrain a rabid dog.

The bigger the calibre, the better.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 15:48 | 4654653 novictim
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Let's see.  No reference to a political system that runs on bribes and is for sale to the highest bidder?  And you wonder how we could have such shit leadership?  

Then there is the series of corporate-sponsored presidents who stacked the Supreme Court with Free Market have Chief Justice Roberts saying IT IS GOOD that the highest bidders buy the decision makers in this country.


Sy Hersh...if you don't cover the systemic toxin of Campaign Finance Corruption and the Washington-Industry "Revolving Door" in your analysis then you make our problems seem mysterious or of a moral or personal nature.  That is not helpful.  

By not talking about the "how" and "why" of our elected officials...of how and for what reason Obama or Harry Reid or John Cornyn or "Chuckles" Schumer get to be elected then you really leave the most pressing issues of this land unaddressed.  

There is no point or use in revealing the false flag operation committed against Assad if you don't have an intact democracy here at home in the USA.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:07 | 4654895 caustixoid
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You're seriously going to roast Hersh after his reporting on Abu Ghraib and Mai Lai and now false-flag Syria?  Clearly he's been banished from the big leagues.  Just how far do you think a mainstream journalist can go before their car mysteriously slams into a tree and explodes? 

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 18:59 | 4655117 flapdoodle
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I disagree that Hersh isn't covering what needs to be covered.

If you are on a run-away bus driven by psychopaths and nearing the edge of the cliff, its not very useful to know that the brakes don't work because someone cut the brake line, particularly if this is already widely known.

We are past the point where rehashing the "revolving door" and "Washington corruption" will do any good. The sheep are not paying attention and are under control by the bus driver...

Seymour Hersh is one of the last American heros...

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:08 | 4655151 drendebe10
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Roberts has as much clarity of thought and judgement as a syphilis hemorrhoid.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:02 | 4655256 thamnosma
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"Free Market Lunatics" .... you've just revealed yourself as part of the problem.  We clearly do not have anything resembling a free market and free marketeers are not lunatics except to sicko government-loving serfs.  We do have a crony capitalist/fascist system in which the favored large businesses are given protection by the Washington DC statists.  Classic "corporatism" and anti-free market.

So screw off.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:12 | 4654727 NuYawkFrankie
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Arrest Harry Reid. Arrest him NOW!

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:58 | 4655242 thamnosma
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There is zero doubt that he is a major financial criminal in the classic sense.  If there really were a Justice Dept. he would have long ago been on the hot seat.  Then again, if Jon Corzine's behavior didn't rise to a level of prosecution, I guess nobody's does.

As for arrests in general, my god, the list is so long.  I personally am for the arrest and prosecution of Eric Holder even before Obama.

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 00:31 | 4655864 usednabused
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You say that if Corzines behavior doesnt rise to a level of prosecution then nobody's does? Then why the fuck are the prisons overflowing? Or don't those locked up people count? They're less than 'nobody'? I think I see what you're about. Fuck you

Mon, 04/14/2014 - 04:30 | 4656080 thamnosma
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You're friggin insane and crude to boot.  I have no idea what your issue is except possibly being on the wrong medication.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:16 | 4654744 GrinandBearit
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Obama does not do anything on his own.  He's just a sock puppet.  His masters pull all his strings.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 19:59 | 4655247 thamnosma
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The Ukraine machinations have all the earmarks of the Brzezinski mob.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 20:10 | 4655266 Dolar in a vortex
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The CIA showed Obama the JFK playbook and he decided to choose life.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 16:30 | 4654792 pupdog1
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Thank you, General Dempsey.

Sun, 04/13/2014 - 17:03 | 4654885 Winston Churchill
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Second that.

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