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One Killed, Many Wounded After Shooting Breaks Out Between Ukraine Special Forces And Pro-Russia Separatists
"Ball is in Kiev's court." That is how we concluded our article yesterday reporting that Moscow won't accept force against demonstrators after Kiev warned it would use special forces to quell ongoing "terrorist" uprisings across cities in east Ukraine.
Predictably, Ukraine couldn't wait to shoot the ball right back at Russia and re-escalate (in hope that the west will finally stand up and side along the acting government in what continues to be a very foolish gambit) and early this morning local time, units of the Ukraine special forces started an anti-terrorist operation in eastern town of Slavyansk, where police station was seized yesterday by separatist protesters, as reported by the Interior Minister Arsen Avakov posts on Facebook, who also warned local residents to stay inside, saying separatist protesters have opened fire in direction of approaching special police units.
Security Service officer killed, four Ukrainian security officials hurt in Sloviansk
|DefenceUA #UnitedForUkraine pic.twitter.com/5j5O58SB17
— Defence Ministry UA (@DefenceUA) April 13, 2014
Moments later the operation turned deadly after at least one member of the special forces was killed and as many as 9 wounded, as well as an unknown number of casualties on the "separatist" side. But most importantly, Russia now has a pretext to step in and "defend" its ethnic population just as it warned it would do.
A Ukrainian special forces officer was killed and five others wounded Sunday in a gunbattle with heavily armed pro-Russian forces who had commandeered a police station in the eastern city of Slavyansk, Ukraine's top police official said.
The firefight erupted early Sunday as Ukrainian forces moved to clear the building where approximately 20 men dressed in camouflage had seized control the day before. Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said an unspecified number of the pro-Russian activists had been wounded in the exchange.
This wasn't the only casualty as other firefights broke out in close proximity to the first one.
In addition to the dead and wounded at the police station, Russia's Interfax news agency reported one person was killed and four others wounded in a gunfight at a checkpoint along the road leading from Slavyansk to the regional capital of Donetsk. The Slavyansk operation, dubbed an "antiterrorist action," involved Ukraine's state security service and military and police units from across the country, Mr. Avakov said. "May God be with them," Mr. Avakov wrote on his Facebook page early Sunday, announcing the operation had begun.
A short time later, he said that the men holed up inside the building had begun firing at the Ukrainian forces and urged residents in the center of the eastern Ukrainian city to remain indoors and away from their windows.
Residents reported seeing armored personnel carriers approaching the city and helicopters flying overhead. Russian television station Rossiya 24 reported that tires that had been used as a barricade in front of the building had been set on fire and black smoke could be seen above the city center.
The clash comes after pro-Russia protests spread Saturday in eastern Ukraine, with armed men, some in unmarked, military-style uniforms, moved to commandeer more government buildings.
So now that Ukraine has had its official warning by Lavrov, which it openly ignored, and commenced a crack down on the separatist forces, who may well have been camouflaged Russian army units just like in the Crimea scenario, Kremlin now sees itself fully in its right to cross the border and "defend" people in the east. To be sure, NATO and the west will hardly share Russia's interpretation of events which only means that the situation will further escalate some more.
And if not in Slavyansk, there are more than enough other cities that allow both sides to escalate into lethal gunfights. Reuters reports:
Separatist protesters on Sunday seized control of the mayor's office in the town of Mariupol, eastern Ukraine, on the Azov Sea, local media said.
The protesters entered the building following a rally involving about 1,000 people demonstrating in favor of the creation of a separate republic in eastern Ukraine, a local journalist for the newspaper Priazovsky Worker said.
Police did not try to stop them. They entered the offices, took down the Ukrainian flag and were erecting barricades outside the building, the journalist said.
A photo from Mariupol:
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#Mariupol City Hall in Donetsk province right now, seized by separatists
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— Maxim Eristavi (@MaximEristavi) April 13, 2014
As we said earlier, if this is merely a gambit by Kiev to provoke western nations into action, it will likely fail. Poland PM Tusk explained why earlier when speaking on Polish radio Zet on events in the Ukraine, when he said that he’s “concerned” there is “relatively little will” in EU, other countries to “strongly support Ukraine. Nobody accepts Crimea annexation, but nobody wants to head for sharp conflict. Which also means Poland itself is isolated in a potential expansion next: Tusk said it’s important Russia doesn’t threaten Poland’s security "we need to know how to mobilize international community." Hopefully it will have more success than Ukraine.
Sure enough, the best the west can mobilize was and continues to be nothing more than harsh language.
Russia must desist from steps which destabilise #Ukraine and undermine the possibility of Contact Group talks
— William Hague (@WilliamJHague) April 13, 2014
Something Putin knows too well and continues to capitalize on.
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I say he needs to up the dose.
They call me Mister Tibbs.
Agreed Latina so they are eventually born in Ukraine, makes them Ukrainian I think.
Putin: "Obama, let's play hide and seek.... You hide and I will come after you".
"Russia must desist from steps which destabilise #Ukraine and undermine the possibility of Contact Group talks
This comment from William Hague is "peak" British hypocrisy.
Does Hague think the world has already forgotten that the USG, EU, Germany, Britain and others actively destabilised Ukraine and stirred up revolution to effect regime change??
No tea for you!
Hague is just retweeting the US state talking points. I suspect those NSA/CIA pictures of him with underage boys may have something to do with it <g>.
I think the hypocricy of the british establishment is unscalable.
So many people have been abusing little children for so long, almost half of th ehouse of Lords (BAH!!!) looks like it's implicated.
Sick in-bred bastards....
ori
"You know, Wyatt's my friend, but I'm seriously beginning to love you."
-- Doc Holliday
As you probably know, huge organised child sexual abuse scandals going back decades (mainly of teenage boys in care homes) are allegedly being covered up in Britain.
They involve a lot of people in (or were in) very high places with household names ...Westminster politicians, police chiefs, local government officials and many others.
To distract attention away from a total failure over the years of police authorities to investigate many complaints from victims (they were accused of lying and dismissed), the Met Police have now focused attention on far lesser sexual exploits of celebrities, especially those who worked in, or for, the BBC.
Ah, the House of Lords and Ladies: Where the Lords are such ladies, and the Ladies are such gentlemen.
Truly exemplary. The Brits are conditioned to mimic their superiors. I've spent enough time there to know first-hand.
BTW, did you know what happened to all those illegitimate offspring over the many decades (last 200 yrs), and the descendants of the British aristocracy? Most of them end up as Civil Servants. Thus becoming the Day Walkers, the Familiars for their Family. Those English "Public Schools" ("private schools" in US English) are full of them: Eton, Cambridge, Oxford. Hereford too.
I agree. Hague can fuck off. He turns a blind eye to the unconstitutional removal of an elected leader on Europe's doorstep, says nothing when elements of Svoboda and Pravi Sector are assimilated into the putsch government, says nothing of a violent response to legitimate protests against the aforementioned illegal power grab (even Yanukovych did not arm the police) and goes after Russia's internal troop movement with associated NATO 'evidence' using photos from 2013. This is a fucking douche disguised as a sausage disguised as a diplomat. But with the media in the pocket of these twats and a population collectively masturbating over 'selfies', the British public isn't going to call him out anytime soon.
William Hague along with Cameron, Tony Blair, Obama, Harper (and countless others) look like child molestors.
Can't speak to all of them, but Tony Blair was allegedly arrested and prosecuted for "cottaging" in a Piccadilly public lavatory long before he became PM. And at university he was nicknamed "Miranda". Miranda being a moon that orbits planet Uranus.
Holy Cow!
""Tony Blairs’ Islington People "
Tony Blair War criminal , bisexual , torturer, liar , psychopath , multiculturalist , control freak, Bilderberg Group member. Believed to have amassed a fortune of between £50million and £250 million since leaving Office. Two convictions for cottaging (1974 &1983) subject to D-Notices. He first came to the attention of MI5 as a potential future Prime Minister after repeatedly being caught importuning young boys in Public toilets around London in the 1970s. A notorious cross dresser, his nickname when he was a lawyer was Miranda. Allegedly some of those caught up in the FBI Operation Avalanche/Ore Child porn investigation in 1999/2003 were : Sir Gerald Kaufman, Gordon Brown, Alan Milburn, John Prescott, and Peter Mandelson. Blair stopped any Police investigations by claiming a threat to National Security and put a D-Notice on the press to stop any reporting on it. It is believed the CIA/FBI used Operation Ore and Jersey/Islington information to blackmail the Labour Party and the BBC in to supporting the Iraq War."
More here: http://chrisspivey.org/a-ring-of-roses/
Jeez.
And all this time I thought the phrase 'The English Disease' was merely national pride in their tolerance and inclusiveness of buggery in general.
Apparently it has surpassed football as the nations entertainment in the more sophisticated set.
Thanks for that link. There are some others too. I was also aware of suspicions surrounding the vile and venal Gordoom Brown (one close look at him and you can see he minces when he walks). He is of course Scottish and the Establishment up there is into ritual child abuse at least as much as those south of the border.
This piece about the current Labour Party leader is classic:
"Ed Miliband MP,Multi millionaire,Bilderberger,multiculturalist,Marxist Jew he has been Leader of the Labour Party since 25 Sept 2010."
I wish some journo would have the guts to ask him why he peddles Marxism when he's a multi-millionaire. Such hypocrisy.
Quite so. And in the run-up to bombing Syria, it was William Hague who gave 20 second soundbite interviews to British TV news channels repeatedly claiming that Assad was responsible for the chemical weapon attack. The evidence is nowhere near conclusive but points to it being a rebel false flag.
Hague makes a far better stand up comedian than a Foreign Secretary.
Smacker, make sure you always include the IMF in that list.
How ironic that those people carry ARs, but in a country like the US -- where they are quasi-religious items -- I see NO ONE carry ARs or even handguns near the Bundy ranch.
Seems to me that our "leaders" are not the only ones guilty of hypocrisy and grandstanding. Whoever said that "Revolutions are started and run by The Few", was right.
Even in full swing of the American Revolution, I think that the "Rule of Thirds" was true: One third of Colonials were for it, one third against it (pro Crown), and one third was neutral (didn't care or were to scared). Some claim that political votes are like that to this day: For the Incumbent, against him, and don't care. Sounds about right.
Civil war bitches, don't take sides.
As opposed to uncivil war.
You're thinking of unreasonable.
What's so civil about war...
Cannon Fodder What's so civil about war...
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That is one of those phrases that is misunderstood as words may have several meanings.
While you think civil should mean something such as non violent.
Civil in this case simply refers to a conflict held with citizens and distinct (separate) from international military.
@sessinpo
Thank you. You don't know how tired I am of hearing the Guns and Roses definition of the word civil. It's not even a good play on words.
Very rational except it's total bullshit. It's the crossover meanings of words that the propgandist love to exploit and manipulate to effect thoughts and feeling. I used to talk about the "Civil War," but now the only phrases I will respond to is "the war between the states," or "the war of southern seccession." No war is civil.
"Mr Putin here is you ball back".
"Thanks, now spread and let me kick yours".
Based on the material I have seen the pro-Russian rallies far outnumber the pro-Ukraine rallies. The pro-Russians seem much more prone to violence as well. I don't think Kiev has a way to "win" in this situation. Right now it seems like it'd take a massacre to get it under control and that's not a possibility.
The pro russians are not more prone to violence, since they are essentially the same people as their Ukrainian brethen. A small group of fascists based in the western Ukraine, sponsored by the US government, overthrew the corrupt president of the Ukraine, and are now trying to subjugate the rest of the country.
I'm simply commenting on the material I have seen. The pro-Russians certainly act more aggressive.
I suspect then, you have not dug deep enough. Go on Youtube and watch the Maidan videos prior to the overthrow of Yanukovich, Feb. 21/2014. Then tell me if the rioters in Ukraine are less aggressive.
Completely separate areas, different people. I am talking about the current situation in eastern Ukraine. I understand you have an agenda and feel passionately about it, but no need to disregard the facts.
From the videos I have seen, the Pro-Russian takeovers of buildings have been quite peaceful.
It's the Ukrainians who have gone full Spiderman. Perhaps you believe the Ukrainians were just looking for towels?
Re Delicious Steak, they are the same people. Read Russian and Ukrainian history, they share the same origins.
The peoples of southern and eastern provinces of Ukraine donot support the illegal coup in Kiev, and do not wished to be IMF'ed, with much higher gas prices, higher taxes, currency controls, pension cuts and top down control. They want to be free of an illegal oppressive central government. Sound familiar?
My agenda is to find truth, as best as I am able. There are no good guys versus bad guys in this scenario, only various shades of gray hats.
well diogenes, i wish you luck in your quest for truth. after 55 years, i have found that the truth is a chimera.
i hope you find it, but i believe the entire world is a billion miles of snarled up monofiliment and if you were to even find the right place in the massive ball to begin unsnarling it you would find a million others pulling against you unsnarling it.
i do believe this, government is the problem, certainly not the solution.
I tend to concur with your view, but remain ever hopeful. And yes, government is definitely the problem.
Complete Bollocks, not only are the the Russians coarse so is their language.
Bookva Hach to you.
I really doubt the Russians would let a massacre happen. I also don't think they will really use much force. They have shown restraint to date. They surround military units, issue ultimatums and then act. The Ukrainian know this and aren't interested in maryterdom.
Putin can sit back, let the self appointed Ukraine government self destruct. Especially after they have been IMF'ed and sucked dry by the west, the Eastern and Southern provinces will be begging to join Russia.
Obviously the Kiev regime percieves its own weakness which is why it keeps
trying to escalate problems hoping for the cavalry to ride over the hill in response
to a Russian invasion..
Putin is smart enough not to fall into this trap.He will not intervene unless
hundreds,maybe thousands ,start dying at the hands of the putschtanistas.
The Kiev regime is a puppet of the US, the US is hoping to stir up chaos to have Russia intervene.
The US already declared war first by inciting the coup and then by placing pointless sanctions on Russia.
Putin can't afford to sit back and wait, this shit is on his doorstep and he knows the US is behind it. The Eastern and Southern provinces are already begging to join Russia, why not just cut to the chase before the US slithers in?
Escalation exactly since Putin does not want any IMF or long drawn out morass.
6 months before the next Winter and it appears Putin will try to get it done before then.
Putin is not waiting any more...Russia waited 20 years and nothing good or independent Ukraine emerged.
It has been middle-game for 20 years, Putin wants end-game NOW.
So its okay for Putin to invade and fuck the country up. Ukrainians will fight till death they have nothing left to lose.
You really are a blind monkey.
Based on the material I have seen the pro-Russian rallies far outnumber the pro-Ukraine rallies. The pro-Russians seem much more prone to violence as well. I don't think Kiev has a way to "win" in this situation. Right now it seems like it'd take a massacre to get it under control and that's not a possibility.
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Outnumbering: very likely. The nazis who spearheaded the assault on a legitimately elected government are a minority in Ukraine that was empowered by 'americans'.
They wont make it in the government through the next elections. 'Americans' are known to use their nazi cousins that way. Useful tools.
Violence: what reports? the 'american' media, because of the nature of the freedom fighters, did not report that much all their violence deeds. Hard to part between violent people.
Massacre: the previous government, a legitimately elected government, was stripped by 'american' nations from the possibility to field force to subdue the rioters.
As Ukraine deploys special forces, nothing of the sort.
It is all the duplicity from 'americans' to demand a legitimate goverment to surrender force whereas enabling others to use force.
Just asking Syria or Congo, they are experiencing this a lot these days.
If the people would just go in their back yard and fire 2 blasts into the air, I guarantee Putin will run away.
From Drudge:
Kerry "concerned"
WH warns Putin (yet again)
Biden goes to Kiev (WTF?) Send in the clown.
Yes! Send Biden to Moscow why don't we? He can do the act between the dancing bear and the poodles.
Yes - one way ticket if you please.
hmm, Russian MANPADs running amock in Ukraine...I hope they don't ID his G5 in the dead of night because the Ukrainians would love to shoot him down (or try) and blame on Russians.
Two blasts of what? Just remember what goes up must come down.
" there is “relatively little will” in EU, other countries to “strongly support Ukraine. Nobody accepts Crimea annexation, but nobody wants to head for sharp conflict. Which also means Poland itself is isolated in a potential expansion next: "
the core issue becomes NATO expansion containment - since Ukraine not in NATO for that reason alone no one in EU needs to move to protection of Yatz Admin. - so it is imperative that Russia take the South - east and west - in order to avoid NATO on any US pretext from expansion and to protect pipeline which the EU "wants" Russia to take over and end the uncertainty of supply transmission
this will go fast now - Nuland is not happy!
"the core issue becomes NATO expansion containment"
Exactly Right. That's been my view for a long time. And all the evidence says NATO has been doing exactly that.
What is difficult to know is whether Russia needs to annex ALL of Ukraine to prevent NATO expansionism or whether Crimea and possibly East Ukraine is enough.
Time will tell.
Crimea is enough. Think of it as a super carrier sitting in the Black Sea, able to station missiles with a 500 K. range. In the event of a hot war, Belarus and Crimea would form the basis for a pincer movement against any invading forces.
you are ignoring the obvious. merica on the march...
America's sea and air power is superior, but on Russia's home field, it is negated by their air defences and land army. The US will never invade unless they want WW3.
The US probably won't overtly invade, but they will use the same pussy tactics that they have everywhere else in the world. Mercenaries and black ops to stir up a shitstorm will be the order of the day.
You have been posting all over this thread and don't have a fucking clue. Please go fire up a game of Call of Duty and leave this discussion to adults.
813 it's obvious that you have drank too much Russian cum,you need to go to the ER and get your stomach pumped.
813K Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they're all full of shit. That includes me. Unlike you, I don't take myself so seriously.
The Russians understand the Mercenary and Black Op's game very well, having played it themselves. They will know how to counter, and the USSA may not like the result. Spetsnaz, operating on their home turf in their own language will hunt out the black water boys and hang them by their balls, for the world to see.
Personally, I couldn't give a rats rear what happens to paid mercenaries, but I never want to see American soldiers bleed out in the Ukrainian fields. They deserve better.
Good point, I was being an asshole. These are tense times, I woke up with a headache and your posts made it much worse.
You should take this seriously, Russia isn't yet another backwater country that the US can push around and the consequences of its reckless actions could be felt around the world. If Russia secures eastern and southern Ukraine, as it should very quickly, this shit could get ugly fast depending on how stupidly the US responds.
Mercenaries deserve whatever horrible fate awaits them for spreading death and misery in the name of a quick buck. American soldiers do not deserve to bleed out anywhere for the gain of banksters and corporations, and that goes doubly so for innocent civilians.
BTW, I up arrowed you in the spirit of ZH love.
war is coming plain and simple. the fall of the american empire has commenced. whether things will be better or worse who really knows. in this world there are no good guys no humanitarians ha ha . but its time for a change a reshuffling . this time we the people need to get involved instead of assuming those we appoint to govern have our best interests at heart.
I think it would be cool if we all think of Putin as being patient and measured in his thinking/planning and in reality he's sitting there at his desk reacting like Tuco from breaking bad when Walter White delivers the real shit to his office!
Well folks place your bets please.
It's on like donkey kong folks.
No not WWIII, just abandonment of the petrodollar. It's pretty much a sure thing now ...and the effects might be like WWIII on America. Just America.
How cool is that? A "selective" WMD Russia/China have the button for, that only damages America.
from the moon, i see what you see!
Upon hearing this latest development Bunny0 turns to jay carney and asks- knockdown 7iron or full 8. To which Reggie can be heard screaming in the background. Hard 8, give me that full f()cking 8
Moron. If you make golf jokes you should KNOW you don't bring the help and your girlfriend into the same foursome.
Are these our Spec$4 U. S. mercs in action? I just hope they're led by cookies and milk "I know a war when I fund one" John McCain.
What is McCain in charge of, the Senate?
So, when is this coming to the US? So far, I see...
US Gov (via BLM & LEAs) = All hat, all cattle
Bundys and People = All hat, no cattle.
Sorry, I call it as I see it. Even though I had HOPED for more.
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http://vimeo.com/55323163
Putin, a former spy versus Obama, a fictional creation of the American spy agencies. The only sure thing is that this confrontation will cost civilian lives, will wreck the Ukrainian economy even more and will lead to unforseen consequences. For the top 0.01%, the party rolls on. Wait...I hear a noise outside, it sounds like flight 370 coming in for a landing. Gotta go.
"Wait...I hear a noise outside, it sounds like flight 370 coming in for a landing. Gotta go"
Does that mean you're living in Khandahar??
http://www.canalina.com/malaysian-plane-found-near-kandahar-passengers-a...
“In Donetsk airport, about a hundred people from the National Guard have been housed. Around a hundred Right Sector thugs are also in the city, as well as a hundred employees from a private US military company operating under contract with the Kiev junta. In total, there are around 300 professionals or well-trained and motivated fanatics. This is a major force, but we are ready to fight,” Sergey Tsyplakov of the Donbas People’s Militia told RIA-Novosti. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38212.htm
The evil that is being engaged in... in our name... and with our tax dollars, is beyond belief. Could this be the reason I'm rooting for the Russians to win?
There's the word private.
While it still is an effort from the US American middle class, this time, it is not a public effort, but a private effort.
'Americans' go at length that their government is the problem when, once again, in this case, it shows that, even when the effort does not come from the government, it still comes.
Brought to you by the 'american' middle class.
Dont blame the 'american' governments. Sometimes, it happens the fools try to curb the 'american' middle class in their thief streak.
Never works for the master class in an 'american' society is the the 'american' middle class, aka WeThePeople.
At this point I feel that it isn't "rooting for Russians" anymore, but rooting for 'we the people' versus empire.
Agreed. And right over might.
It's a good thing America elected a down-low homosexual brother from Kenya, or America might be in trouble.
Obama could not have done it w/o all of the Libertarian votes for Ron Paul!!!
You mindless fucking dolt... seriously trying to turn this into a RvD thing when we are so clearly past the point of political parties making any fucking difference at all. Keep telling yourself Romney would have been better you're fucking fooling yourself. The system itself is what needs to be destroyed and the political parties altogether need to go with it (seriously, anyone want to tell me why we haven't banned political parties? What is the point? A senator should be a senator and that's it his record should speak for itself).
"...we are so clearly past the point of political parties making any fucking difference at all"
+100 for that.
ink vs lead-how it gets resolved!
That's right, cheer your favorite Neo-Con Obama and jeer R Paul. Maybe Barry has a cell phone to give you.
IMHO, Russia will not use this event for an insertion in Ukraine. It's a very old method, and everyone would expect them to go in there, and than the entire Western MSM/Z media will start comparing Ukraine to 1939 Czekoslavakia and Putin to Hitler...It is not a wise move, so I don't think Putin will take "this" bait. He could, of course, easily infilterate the East Ukraine by Russian (and very bad ass) special forces dressed as regular folks (and this time by little more conventional weaponary...) and voila, a real revolution by East Ukrainians themselves, with an upcoming election there to boot....There are other ways to win a war, not just by tanks and drones/jets, and it's called economic stimulance. Don't you want to be Russian and raise your monthly pension by 300%? You speak, eat, and shit Russian anyways...
Probably too convenient to move 4000 Russian 'civilians' dressed as locals into Ukraine from the East border, and some will go far West.
Time will tell but may start appearing as a civil war.
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However, since there are thousands of pipelines in Ukraine, violence will be avoided at all costs. The Russian need to move into place before anyone starts bombing the pipelines. But must be done in 6 months. Violence will be avoided...and no explosives !! otherwise it is like "Kuwait" destruction and EU will freeze next Winter.
Unfortunately, this is exactly what the central bankers want and are trying to create in the Ukraine – civil war and chaos. And just as unfortunately, they are succeeding. Chaos so that Putin will have to go in and get embroiled in a civil war, draining his resources and weakening Russia and the Russian people, financially and militarily, so that the NWO banksters and other vultures can go in and feed off the carcass and remains. The private international banking system demands obedience from all nations to a system of debt slavery, based on debt they create literally out of thin air (and then own), and who have a long history of using any and all means at their disposal (including their enormous financial resources and leverage, and the countries and militaries they control) to achieve their hideous, murderous and self-serving agenda of one giant worldwide ATM that pours money into their pockets.
The Harper Government (Canada) has been a big backer of the coup and violence in Ukraine, once again they have blood on their hands (if western governments had minded their own business nobody would have died violently in Ukraine). Western government is nothing more than a collection of violent psychopaths.
Hooliganism Bitchez!!!
And in other late, wind-braking news: At Nevada's very civil, Civil Uprising at the Bundy Ranch...
Gangs of 'Mericans, heavily armed with cell phone cameras and a few who could afford a real $500 camera, were seen deploying their weapons of choice against the LEAs. The latter were totally outshot in the hot MPEG war, and had to resort to low tech uses of tasers and baying dogs.
Well, I guess the 'Merican People showed the LEAs who's Boss, who's free and who's brave! 'Bamas golf game must be way off today, and Cheney's new heart must be skipping beats.
I wonder if BaracKKK (displeased as he must be with EriKKK's performance) has been consulting with Janet Reno. "Bring in the tanks. Bring in the Predators. You need to show them who's BOSS, boss."
It's pretty obvious to me that the absence of central HVAC is an obstacle to law enforcement.
Tens of thousands of SWAT teams in the USSA have a much easier task of “keeping the peace”.
Time is speeding up for 'americans'.
What was it? A couple of months ago? "American' nations asserted the right of people to demonstrate against their governmentand warned the former ukrainian government not to use force against demonstrators. 'Americans' stripped a legitimately elected government from fielding the necessary forces to subdue rioters led by nazis.
And now this.
Labrov took the 'american' stance: let the demonstrators demonstrate, it is their right by natural theory.
'Americans' worded nothing. They spoke nothing against the deployment of special forces, contrary to their stance two months ago.
Labrov is turning 'american' and 'americans' do not like that. Russians are now the enforcers behind the natural right to demonstrate against a government.
They are playing the 'american' game.
A non elected government in Ukraine is using force to squash down demonstrations. Life is being tough on 'americans'
When life was cool for 'americans', it might take decades before they were exposed in their duplicity.
These days, that is what? Two months and 'americans' are exposed in their duplicity?
The natural right to demonstrate against a government that does not operate with the consent of the governed (as it is with this interim government in Ukraine) is being crushed by special forces, all this with the support of 'americans'.
'Americans' caught in full act of duplicity once again...
That's why this situation is almost comical. Russia is using American rhetoric and American tricks to kickstart a "popular" uprising. But the reason why it isn't comical is that this is just a game of thrones where both sides are insane and we're all stuck with them.
We've all been sped up...
ori
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/time-faster-now/
I cant speak to putins exact psychological state of mind, but russia has vested interests in Ukraine. The lifeblood of the country runs through their land, and the stakes are high. Putin hasnt behaved in any particularly oppressive or antagonistic manner to warrant the collective nonsense coming from the u.s. and other nato countries who follow the u.s. around from a policy perspective like a bunch of ducklings who have imprinted on a wolf. It was really initially a matter of business and principle for putin- ukraine owes billions to russia, and has screwed russia over numerous times in the past. The Ukraine has no honor or responsibility with this issue, and quite naturally, because the current administration is being manipulated by a country that likewise, has no honor and dignity anymore. Now Putin, pressed with ukraines default on their debt to russia, the us sponsored disposal of the democratically voted ukranian president, the machinations and vitriolic rhetoric and lies being dissemanated in western media; the constant ear flicking and hair pulling by a punk group of kids to the big russian boy who is chill and minds his own business just because they want some of his lunch money.. well putin has shown remarkable forbearance thus far. One of those kids will get clocked in the fucking
jaw with an uppercut soon. putin and ukraine should be given the room to settle their own dispute.
How much is this russian crisis costing the u.s.? Whats the expense to maintain a presence in that region? 5-10 billion a day? How many americans would be covered with health insurance under obozocare for that amount of money? GET US THE FUCK OUT OF THERE, IDIOTS
Putin will not invade Ukraine. Standing down will allow western backed terrorists to slaughter Russian speaking ukrainians on mass. Eastern European countries will see the genocide of Russians in Ukraine and beg Putin for refuge.
I want the pager number of your dealer, you are smokin some VERY good BC.
Putin already DID invade - weeks ago.
If you beleive in Putin being a puppet then the map has already been redrawn. He won't cross the Dnieper.
Like Spain is not Uganda (and the Ugandese might agree), Ukraine is not Yugoslavia. The West could fiddle around there unhindered but this is a different league.
Russia may take a page from Israel's long standing method of taking territory, "Creat facts on the ground". I see Euro Maidan also takes a page from the Israeli playbook and calls every bit of freedom fighting "terrorism". You see Israel wrote the playbook on racism and land theft all under cover of German crimes aginst European Jews. By this method they eliminated the natives and carved out an American State in a place where the USA needs a hired army to exert US control.
Kiev wants to be the Eastern European Israel. Claiming the Georgian communist dictator Stalin was bad to them in the 1930's, thus they must rule or kick out ethnic Russian East Ukraine. Hoping to be just like Israel the Kiev folks are deluded. They are not Jews, they do not enjoy international power and banking control that Israeli's co-religionists do. Ukriane may dream of being Israel on the Deniper, but that will never happen.
‘By way of deception you shall make war.’ – the Mossad motto
"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978
I really don't think Euromaidan hopes to become the next Israel since they have neo-Nazi leanings, but I think you are right that they have dreams of creating a homeland for ethnic Ukrainians.
Euromaidan does not represent the feelings of most Ukrainians, they were just a pawn for the US and bankers to get a foothold in Ukraine and will be discarded when no longer useful. I hope the US paid them in $1 dollar bills, they can burn the worthless pile to keep warm this winter after Russia completely turns off the gas.
Consider this, that the state department neo cons, aka Zionists, are hiding behind the Neo Nazi's, to disguise the puppetmasters.
Greed and corruption does indeed make strange bedfellows. Expect a quickie divorce once the Kiev puppets are no longer useful.
Jack Burton
In addition, unlike the Jews, outside of Galicia (western ukraine), Ukrainians lack a cohesive identity, and see themselves as brothers to the Russians. The Kiev Kriminals will eventually fail.
BTW, just like you, I have spent extensive time in Ukraine and Russia, and so have some feel for whats really happening on the ground.
capture the foreign merceneries put them in orange jump suits.
put them on tv ask the world to name and shame them.
name and shame the security firms.
it will be shame enough to lose ex parachute regiment,ex navvy seals ex mossad teams.
a prize should be given for the safe capture of the military wing of chatham house brookings institute units.
russia should humiliate these rapists and killers that travel around the world killing for team city of london,tel aviv and wall street.
Hillary Clinton, recipient of the 2013 Chatham House Prize.
Correction "Hillary Cliton".
You mean Hitlery Cliton. <g>
Then to be executed as terrorists.
Don't need any trial ... if it's good enough for Americans to kill on the basis of suspicion, it's good enough for anyone to do so.
I want one of those repelling ropes!
I'm going to make a wild prediction here and say that the US funding Euro-Nazis will not work out any better than the last go around.
Just a hunch I have.
You may be right. Let's hope that unelected EU/EC President Barroso lives long enough to feel what it's like to have a rope round his neck.
Yep - Ukraine's idea is to suck NATO into the fray - but NATO isn't taking the bait. They won't, either - unless they go totally off their lithium tablets. It's not because NATO ministers are that smart - they aren't. They're just not prepared for a real fight. They're only 'tough' when bombing innocent civilians from 40,000 feet for 78 days. They couldn't even mount that effort today. NATO is a shell of its former selfie.
Putin's got this planned-out ever so well. It's quite a compelling strategy that can be employed in many elsewheres throughout Russia's "near abroad". The Bear really is rising again - who's going to stop it? Later this year when Russia-China-India-Iran et al leave the dollar completely behind, the finishing touches will be put on the end of the dying Western world order.
What cold revenge for the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union! What a shocking, grand reversal! Russia caught the West asleep while fiddling with its belly-button lint.
Nay-To won't do much of anything.....
What are the odds that the pro Russian forces are actually Russian soldiers in street clothes.
Wearing babooshkas? Take a look on RT at some of the throngs gathered in the streets.
“[W]estern Ukraine has only a few key cities. The majority of people in this country of around 44 million are concentrated in the south, east and southeast, around the enormous industrial and mining centers of Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and Krivoi Rog.
“There is Odessa in the south, and Kharkov, ‘the second capital,’ in the east. And people in all those parts of the country mainly speak Russian. And they see, what has recently happened in Kiev as an unceremonious coup, orchestrated and supported by the West…” -- Andre Vltchek, novelist, filmmaker, investigative journalist who has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries
If your really want to get the Russian perspective, check out Goblin 11 at the following youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfzMnP3ilcI
Click on the CC for English Captions. Note he has over 2.5 million view
sweet dreams of passion through the night
Translated, the protester told the Associate Press: “We don’t want to be slaves of America and the West. We want to live with Russia.” The AP: “The man said they seized the building because they wanted to protect it from radical nationalists from western Ukraine.”
So who’s the terrorist?
America’s Bolsheviks who take over governments use “facts” slanted to tell their story to carry out their deadly operations. Their operatives, the Arsen Avakovs, present them in person, on “Facebook” or in the propaganda through the media they control.
Their hope is to condition the people to “can’t we all just get along,” to “adjust” them to the coming tyranny. The battle, the hope, will be lost when freedom of speech is taken away.
As hope for freedom runs out for the peoples of Ukraine and Europe, likewise, individual freedom under law is running out for the people of America. We all are engaged in the final battle: the people vs. the banks. Our “hope,” ironically, now rests with Vladimir Putin.
It is Ukraine’s illegitimately installed interior minister, Arsen Avakov, who was charged back “on 31 January 2012 with illegally transferring land and was put on the international wanted list of Interpol on 21 March 2012… detained in Frosinone (Italy) late March and placed under house arrest by an Italian Court as a preventive measure on 12 April 2012…
It was “in October 2012 he was elected into the Ukrainian parliament and returned to Ukraine on 11 December 2012… after on 10 December 2012, a Court ruling canceled Avakov's restriction measure.”
It is this same Arsen Avakov, according to Reuters, February 24, 2014, who has put President Victory Yanukovych on the collectivists’ wanted list for “mass murder”:
“Ousted Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych is wanted by police for mass murder, the acting interior minister, Arsen Avakov wrote on his profile Monday. ‘An official case for the mass murder of peaceful citizens has been opened.. Yanukovych and other people responsible for this have been declared wanted.’”
Avakov took over the powerful post of interior minister in late February after a NATO-led coup government seized power. He then dismissed Vitaly Zakharchenko, an ally of embattled President Yanukovich, following two days of carnage in the capital, Kiev.
What a perfect name, Arsen, for a New Bolshevik front man and the utter chaos this species of sub-human slime is spreading around the planet.
I wonder why the Ukrainian forces are all wearing masks. Could it be they are not Ukrainians?
American mercs hire on for the money and the chicks, and as Eastwood said in The Outlaw Josey Wales - "Dyin' ain't much of a livin' boy!"
Mercs sign on to fight very soft targets. The mercs are't going to die for Ukraine. They will run.
Cos they want mess with you so you ask stupid Q...
If about that maybe "Russians"...you could not tell difference..
This is their home and kin.
Who ever they are, and I could tell you generally who they are...they are very welcome among citizens of these regions of lands know as Ukraine.
Dont you think that its ironic that the second crimea got annexed these guys started showing up in the east of ukraine? All part of vlads plan to provoke... its a well known playbook. Provoke ethnic russians, army puts down revolt, russia 'saves' its ethnic peoples.
Typical khazar neocon bullshit. $5bn+ and counting US tax dollars involved in this adventure. Documented American, Israeli and other western contractors stirring the chaos pot. Nice try Karl. Stick to manipulating the fools left at your site. Obviously easy pickings.
The USSR program of Russification was designed just for this purpose, to transplant Russian loyalists into all states along the border with Russia...and to forcefully relocate a large portion of Non-Russian natives into Siberia as a form of hostage taking.
THis is a worry now for countries from Finland to Romania.
you don't sound like denninger...
I'm surprised Ukranians fell for this. The Russians send in an elite team dressed as irregulars, while Ukranians send in a sub-par Special Forces team to dislodge them.
No surprise here... ...they (Ukranians) got their asses kicked.
And on top of this, Russia made Ukranians look like the agressors.
Kasparov is sweating at the fact Putin wants to play him in chess.©
Smear tactics against Putin aside, here are the true facts on "why Ukrainians fell for this," outlined on ZH yesterday by Fractal Parasite :
In particular the press failed to report what is actually stated in the "EU-Ukraine association agreement", which all the shouting has supposedly been over since the beginning.
Tymoshenko and Yatsenuk have been falling over themselves to sign away the country, while Yanukovych rejected it because it was "not in the interests of the Ukrainian people."
What the agreement really means:
Explained here by Russian Deputy Evgeny Fedorov, one of the few people to have actually read the document:
What EU-association means for Ukrainians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_asZiTou_JI
Depends...depends what "Ukrainian" is...
The resisters were Ukrainian citizen. older guys. think Afgantsy and other ex service.
I doubt you are aware much of Ukraine services have switched sides.
Also refused to act against citizens. This is all way from Alpha to local militia.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/04/ukraine-sitrep-april-12-1806-est-and.html
I don't discriminate, I hate everybody.
Why are thoise guys bothering with vests? A head shot and they are done.
stupid post
Fuck you! I know you are pro Putin and so am I but these Russian fucks in Ukraine are going to kill us all.
You know nothing about Ukraine.
Fair enough. And I apologize for my above comment.
Grow a pair, Carlos.
Well, it was a misunderstanding. I didn't mean those guys should be shot in the head, only that a sniper might hit them. And I know the body is the most likely place to get shot, I was just making a dumb comment. I was called out, I responded badly, I apologized for swearing at V.
no problem..... good to see we who can learn.
those older guys would be Afgantsy and other ex forces if anybody..they live there or near..know the area
understand these are welcomed protectors...these are the good guys...they are community and kin
For English readers: "Ukraine A History" Orest Subtelny
first and second edition are cheap price and cover all but recent.
what's interesting to me in this situation is the timing, somebody just intentionally torpedoed the upcoming four way talks and has virtually assured that there will be no political solution to this issue. but the question is which side?
my vote goes to Washington and NATO as it seems to me they haven't been interested in anything less than total Russian capitulation from the start. Kerry, Breedlove, McCain, Fog and the rest have done nothing but regurgitate the same narrow minded talking points since this whole thing kicked off and have pretty much ignored Russia's attempts to present political solutions.
they are repeatedly setting the condition that Russia "withdraw" it's military forces from the border before any talks can be taken seriously. the west is asking, no demanding that Russia pull it's own military out of it's own side of the border, inside it's own country and essentially leave 1,200 miles of sovereign Russian territory undefended in a time of heightened tensions.
in what universe does that make any fucking sense?
so what I think we are seeing here is shades of Iraq circa 2003 and I do believe that a war is not only possible but is being provoked.
the other thing I find interesting is the complete 180 Kiev pulled overnight regarding it's stance on the east, there were even up until yesterday willing to give amnesty and greater autonomy to there areas and now less than 24 hours later they are dropping the heaviest hammer they have on what are now being labeled as "terrorists" and "Russian invaders".
I could be wrong but I doubt Kiev made such a sudden change in policy without external influences and assurances. what promises were made and by who remains to be seen but one would think they are substantial given the sudden and bold moves Kiev has made in the face of potential Russian military backlash.
now I think it is a safe bet that Russia does indeed have special forces operators in the eastern Ukraine Spetsnaz, Zaslon or both and probably has for some time now. and if they do it's an even further indication that war is imminent because Russian military doctrine is to disperse these forces in areas prior to the outbreak of major hostilities. so Fog and company are probably right on that score but they also neglect to mention they are there because Russia is anticipating war being forced upon them.
but I admit after Libya, Iraq, Syria and others I am jaded and my opinion, my view is not impartial, I have learned not to trust anything that comes from Washington as they have been caught time and again lying, murdering and stealing wherever their dark shadow passes over be it here at home or abroad.
Russia is the provocateur here. If you want to assign blame on the ground to any one nation, then Russia is clearly the perp.
And who are you?
"Novictim" is obviously a victim of stupidity... or paranoid... or just plain evil.
Ask your mama.
Intelligent retort to substantiate your position. Obviously a right-brained spurt of brilliance.
@ marcusfenix
This kind of sudden change of tone has been seen before. Do you remember when the Syrians (rebels? I don't remember who) shot down that Turkish Fighter Jet? At first the Turkish response was quite subdued and reconcilliatory considering the gravity during the first couple of hours - and it was not until after a teleconference with Hillary that the big aggressive retoric was launched. The playbooks had to be synchronized first, I guess.