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Blowback: Protesters In Kiev Demand Resignation Of Ukraine President
While the CIA-staged government coups in Libya and Egypt at least managed to last nearly a year before the inevitable "Thermidorian reaction" resulted in a blowback response that saw the overthrow of the interim US-handpicked rulers, Ukraine may not last nearly that long. According to reports by both Russian Interfax and Ukraine's Unian press services, for the first time since the coup that overthrew Ukraine's president Yanukovich in late February, hours ago a group of protesters assembled in front of the parliament building and on Independence Square in central Kiev, with demands for the resignation of both the interior minister Avakov as well as the acting president Turchinov.
Additionally, VZ.com reports that the protesters have issued a 24 hour ultimatum to the government to suppress protests in the South East where, as is widely known, "pro-Russian separatists" have effectively taken over the bulk of the cities bordering with Russia.
Simply stated, the people are tired of a figurehead government that already folded when it handed over Crimea to Russia on a silver platter and are demanding at least a token resistance before the rest of the cities in the east flip over to Russia effectively splitting the country in two.
A clip of the protesters taken earlier this evening.
More from Unian:
The Interior Ministry of the capital noted that it is unknown to what protesters are demanding positions remove Turchinova.
According to law enforcement treated protesters politely, but for law enforcement in the event of a breach to the scene, police officers directed.
Also in the Interior Ministry of Ukraine in Kiev urged protesters not to resort to radical actions and do not disturb the public order "as any problematic issues could be resolved through dialogue."
Ironically, the protesters may just get their wish. Russian RT reported that "Ukrainian tanks and heavy military equipment are moving towards the eastern town of Slavyansk, ITAR-TASS reported quoting acting mayor Vyacheslav Ponomarev as saying. On Monday, protesters ignored the ultimatum to leave by 9 am, and a Russian flag continued to fly over the besieged police HQs in Slavyansk. Ponomarev added that they are getting ready and are monitoring the situation. “We don’t want bloodshed, we are committed to negotiations,” he said."
Finally, and rather surprising, a clip was also released earlier today showing Ukraine troops and APC dispersing anti-tank "hedgehogs" along the Odessa coastline, as if in anticipation of a marine landing.
Finally, while all this is happening, Obama keeps on talking:
- IN PHONE CONVERSATION, PUTIN AND OBAMA AGREED TO CONTINUE DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS BEFORE APRIL 17 GENEVA TALKS ON UKRAINE - KREMLIN
That... and this pearl: "White House warns Russia of more 'costs' over Ukraine." Does the White House mean these "costs" we wonder?
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C I A: Central Ineptitude Agency
Fuckin' shit up since 1947!
OT:
I demand Harry Reid go to hell.
" We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/14/harry_reid_on_cattle_b...
I loved his smug fuckin' grin.
There's an app for that.
There's a kickback for that!
It is not over.
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/second-wave-new-as...
Of course they pulled back for this.....they saw the numbers and knew that it would have been fair fight or worse for .gov.
They will come back with much more fire power. That's why there is a no fly zone over there thru mid May.
Listen to BLM agent Dan Love in this conversation and bring the bureaucratic, militarized mindet to it's natural conclusion.
Prepare accordingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTQSJV_stE8
He is a cunt! Paid by the taxpayer. You and Me!
"Patriots" with pop guns will be no match for tanks, assault vehicles and assault helicopters. It doesn't matter how brave they are.
That's so 1914, man.
<golf clap>
the Ultimatum crew is out ... decision makers are needed!
Dumb. So what? We do nothing becauwe we can't win? Ever? I think not. People would rather die free then live as slaves and the bottom line is we significantly outnumber these people at about 300 to 1. If they slaughtered these people the other 299 could wake up then it won't matter what they have.
Not to mention the optics of sending in tanks against your own people. I am sure people will just sit back. Do they have enough tanks to take on about 3-5 million people? There are a shitload of folks getting ready for such a battle.
"People would rather die free then live as slaves"
Nope, that's not the case in America anymore. Everyone is a slave (50% of income taken in taxes is slave), and I don't see anyone going all Sparticus over it.
"and the bottom line is we significantly outnumber these people at about 300 to 1."
So why aren't you gettin it on with 'em? What's stopping you, SLAVE?
It doesn't always work that way, look at Syria, you have polarized civil war. You never know what it will be, and you never know what you've got until it's gone. The EU and Russia would be better off flying in a stack of Findus horse steaks and beers for a massive country-wide BBQ and see what can be done about an election and constructive investment to repair the underlying mess, but they wont. They'll wait until about 2.3 million people are dead, the country is destroyed, and Europe has lost all access to Russian, oil, coal and LNG supplies, and is in the process of doing the very same thing to itself.
Why are a few thousand "patriots" challenging govt over a few cattle in a small Nevada town rather than a couple million "patriots" challenging govt in D.C. where the orders come from?
When did attacking the tail of a snake ever kill it?
Why can unarmed citizens in Egypt create such chaos in Cairo the US-backed puppet president leaves office, and unarmed citizens in Kiev are gathering as we speak to force the US-backed puppet president out of office, but millions of heavily armed Americans can't descend on D.C. and accomplish anything?
Why is that? Why are unarmed citizens in those countries accomplishing so very much, while heavily armed "patriots" here in America are accomplishing ZERO?
How much more embarrassment can heavily armed American "patriots" take from those unarmed people in Egypt and Ukraine?
It's getting pretty damn disgusting. Those UNARMED people in Egypt and Ukraine are showing us who the real cowards are.
It is not bad enough yet. When food cards don't work, then it is bad enough.
Yea, then it won't be anyone going after D.C., it'll be everyone going after each other.
Drifter - you ask why ?
The people in Egypt were hungry.
Not enough people in the US are hungry, but they will be.
What? Ukrainians are massing in Kiev because they're hungry?
You mentioned Egypt in your post above - try to stick to your train of thought man. Food prices were relevant in Egypt.
Ukraine is a US op.
Take a good look at the average kid living in the West.
Compare that with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrxjYfl05ek
Because as with Egypt (and even the Warsaw Pact States in Soviet times for that matter) almost the whole world was supporting their action and protests and the national paralysis that it caused.
But the whole world is not supporting the actions of protestors in the USSA, at this point.
Not yet any way, but it's coming.
And the support when it comes will probably be universal, you'll be very surprised that the majority of people in every country on earth will eventually support it when the right situation arises, and that's when it will finally come to a head.
And of course that will also be the collapse.
Most military minds are limited and one dimensional. (I'm from a military family, and served). Ex high school jocks with vision limited to 'the playing field'. (Another analogy is dogs trained to serve their Nazi masters for praise or doggie treats during WW2.)
What they don't see is the more outrageous force they use (especially if they murdered American people just exerting their rights) - - - the more they lose in legitimacy and the support of the population, including decent men & women within these very same organizations. The more heavy handed they are, the more their true nature is on display for the nation and world to see.
They are, in fact, fighting a losing battle based on outdated notions. Their masters seek to protect their parasitic world by 'controlling' every living human being on the planet. That is impossible. Their attack dogs are told they are 'defending the country', when they are the greatest threat to it.
"What they don't see is the more outrageous force they use (especially if they murdered American people just exerting their rights) - - - the more they lose in legitimacy and the support of the population"
What? You mean the 0.5% who even care what's happening out there? Lose their support? Like it even matters?
yeah, tell that to them sheep herders in Afghanistan, surrender monkey.
Yep, I posted the same in another thread today. The .gov will next about 10X as many agents, will show up all at once and bring armor/air support. With that many agents needed count on the FBI being involved like when the ATF fucked up Waco.
If one drop of that family's blood is spilled, all bets are off.
For reference, multiply Dorner x5000.
5000 is a most conservative estimate and that's just day one.
You said it. There are literally millions of pissed off Americans right now who are looking for a reason to take out all federal aggressors. They're fed up with Eric Holder's corrupt DOJ and every other executive agency!
That man or his family's death means fire bombed offices and dead federal agents throughout the USA. Scary thought? Might be interesting....
10th amendment must be reinstated with blood.
Looking at this story from all angles is necesssary. This video covers odd events, though the women goes into an area I know nothing abuot, and don't want to, it's worth listening to and take away at least the fact that it was odd 60 foot poles wre erected without a crane and any cement, and really nice flags were ready in 15 minutes, how the west was won off a bridge. So, I am holding off on making anymore statements on this situation until I do more research.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X_J_ufA9R8#t=18 (Max resistance Joe black) Bundy Ranch is a movie set
What if they're just arrested, taken off the ranch, cattle rounded up, auctioned off, house buldozed, land title handed over to the Chinese?
There goes your "blood trigger".
Why does somebody have to get shot to move you "patirots" to action? Why does it have to go that far to get you people off your asses?
How much more govt abuse will you tolerate long as nobody gets shot?
Why aren't a million of you there locked and loaded making sure Bundys and their ranch are protected and not sold off?
How many guns do you keep strutting around like peacocks boasting you have now? 400 million? And billions of rounds of ammo? And all we see out at that ranch is feds?
Wana make up for Ruby Ridge and Waco? Here's your chance, you've had plenty of warning, get crackin'.
Why are a thousand feds surrounding the place and not a million of you surrounding them locked loaded and ready to shoot ...and driving them off that ranch ...and out of that county ...and out of that state?
Then what if the county just eminent domains the place and gives Bundy a nice fat check? There goes all the wind out of your "patriot" sails, pack up and go home, they outflanked you lawfully.
Either way, I will predict the outcome of this. Govt moves right on ahead, arrests a few, ignores the rest of you.
" We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said."
Does that include Al Sharpton too, Mr Reid?
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24545747/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/sharpton-owes-nearly-million-back-taxes/
Until both of her Landra’s parents died, the Reids celebrated the Jewish holidays, the senior senator from Nevada told the New Yorker, adding: “My two oldest children have great affection for things Jewish, and my three younger children are aware of their mother’s lineage, and all of them are very proud of the fact that they are eligible for Israeli citizenship.”
So I Reid can quite easily get an Israeli passport via his marriage (maybe he already has one and we don't know), I can see why he is saying 'an American people' Its not like he considers himself part of the American people at the moment.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/harry-r...
http://www.conservative-daily.com/2014/04/13/breaking-harry-reid-corrupt...
Too bad the Carney call spooked the Congresscritters into selling the RSX.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/russian-sanctions_n_5037399.html
I can't verify the authenticity of this, but there's a rumor that James Clapper just checked into a 5 star Kiev Hotel under the faux name of Bobby Fischer.
He placed an order with the hotel kitchen/provisions chef for, and I quote, enough raw liver to feed a small army.
Yet another American Chess Master!!!
Send him to Iceland
Of course none of those protestors were planted by Russia.... er..... Putin. Game over Ukraine. Your former masters will be your future masters.
So speaks the well known pedophile. Snowden and Putin need to hack his emails and video library and release it.
He was already evicted from hell for lowering the moals of the purgatory wing.
"But we can have illegal alien people that violate the law and then just walk away from it." - Harry Reid (aka fucking asshole who needs to do the world a favor and die soon).
Oy! Hollywood! It's about high time you showed us more shows and movie of how corrupt, misguided and incompetent the CIA/CYA really is. And how Orwellian the NSA is.
Spare us this Marvel Agents of Shield crap. There are NO more real heroes in positions of high power and high finance. The power and hubris has made them arrogant, self-serving, oppressive and corrupt.
Our Gov is no better than Ukraine's. Our children and grandchildren will not and should not let us forget our complicity and shame: "When good people remain silent, evil prospers"
- indignant Kirk out
I personally would like to see both Reids DOA!
But... but... we're the United States of America! Those other people are BAAAAAAAD.
Jesus Christ....what a bunch of stupid incompetent slugs we have for a government! Fuck it's the Keystone Cops on Steriods! PULLLLEEESSSSEEEE somebody do SOMETHING TO>>>>>who the fuck knows?
Cover and duck and Kiss your ass good fucking bye.
I vote that we elect to join Norway and become a vassel state to them, with all of thier fine, long lived, beautiful women and all! I could go for a steam bath with a viking lass just now!
What was it?
Eat, drink and Do Mary, and Jullianne and Olga and maybe Ted, if you're so inclined.....for tomorrow we move to the fema camp! Boy, THAT SUCKS! Meaning goodbye forever.
PUTIN AND OBAMA AGREED TO CONTINUE DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS BEFORE APRIL 17 GENEVA TALKS ON UKRAINE - KREMLIN - Which can only mean that there will be no Ukraine as we know it by April 17. The infamous "red line 2.0"
That's because there will be are rare Blood-Red Moon, coinciding with tomorrow's Passover, 4/15/2014. ;-)
http://www.groundzeromedia.org/tetrad-a-blood-moon-in-the-grand-cardinal...
Sorry, I couldn't resist. The guy talks about Space Aliens, which is Kirk's bag. Damn Clingons! Damn Klingons too!
p.s. This year, Passover is followed by Ash Wednesday.
uh...there is no Ukraine "as we know" it right now.....
Same as it has always been..not much really a country...but lands..
Brief shot at being a viable governable nation after Soviet defunct has been destroyed by outside interferences with early short breathe of life strangled by Yulia's stealings...and whole Orange monster that did its wishes, not the peoples...
you maybe closer to the truth than you even thought
According to UN report Ukraine has not registered its borders with UN so formally speaking Ukraine borders are undefined
Russia have $104/barrel WTI and about $109 Brent.
Hell, if they fund upheaval in Nigeria, its a GREAT investment.
They'd like to see those Ukraine "loan guarantees" turn into loans, because they are going to suck down all that money too.
People had better wake the fuck up and realize this has nothing to do with playing chess or being smart.
They have the fucking oil and gas. Period. And unlike the Arabs, who let themselves be persuaded that if they destroyed western civilization with high prices, it just hurt them -- Russia can say, if we destroy western civilization, that's just one less enemy.
Let me guess, we need to 'wake the fuck up" to the fact you think we need another cold war with Russia, blah blah blah! Its not 1950 anymore friend, that bullshit proaganda non sense won't work, when 10 million American kids are playing World of Warcraft and every shooter game known to man with 25 million + Russian and Chinese kids everyday!
Your gonna need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something better then that same tired ol Cold War BS, shutting down the planets power grid might be your only shoot, otherwise you better get ready for the Great American reset to occur!
I suggest PM purchases, a good land deed with water and food possibilities, and lots of family and friends you trust that are armed to the hilt, to start with!
You clearly don't understand.
Gold was worth nothing in Bosnia. Food otoh was worth a day's life.
Your well armed family and friends will do what against rogue national guard units with mortars -- just looking for food for their families.
What you didn't understand was oil scarcity. You think it's all about economic collapse.
Oil predates economics by only about 80 million years.
Good sir, got an allodial title for that land?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title
Right then, back under the boot heel tax donkey!
Regards,
Cooter
Russia can't destroy Western civilisation because that is who they need to sell their oil and gas to. Have you ever met a Russian or dealt with Russian business people? They never bite the hand that feeds them. Never.
Correct. And that is the real reason the Neocons are both pissed and scared: There is a natural economic alliance and realignment happening between the EU, Russia and Asia --> Eurasia.
It scares the shit out of them, because w/o the EU, the USD is "toast"! As are there wet dreams of a NWO. And the penis suckers (literal or proverbial) will have to actually "work for a living", after the USD is demoted from its GRC status to a RRC (Regional Reserve Currency).
The only way they know how to stop this train from pickingup speed, is to derail it. Hence... the manufactured Ukraine crisis. We can only hope that the EU, Russia and Ukraine itself can see through this devious ruse, and tell the 'Bama Neocon regime to "Take a long walk off a short Odessa pier". IOW: FOAD!
Questions?
Agree Kirk but the Euro is in the same hole as the dollar. The ECB has been printing Euros like crazy also. Russia doesn't need worthless Euros if they are going to be locked out of markets by sanctions. They will say screw you to Europe and turn to Asia, or they will insisit on gold as payment.
End of the day regardless of outcome Russia has the energy to move its economy, it has gas for heating, it has oil for its tractors and cars to move people and the economy around, it has trade partners in the East and South. Heck it has the most natural resources of any country on the Earth. It can go at it alone if it has to, may be painful but nobody will freeze or starve, the same cannot be said of Europe.
Russia is part of Western civilisation, Japan is not, although the propaganda treat Japan as part of the West. Or would you be more specific of the criterias of Western Civilization?
Let's get the show started i'm growing impatient.
Fiat dollar is out of its element.
We are a massive welfare and warfare state no matter if the left or the right are in charge. Shit is fucked up and shit.
The people are waking up to the bullshit and mayhem of the New Bolsheviks. Tar, feather and rope needed
Anyone who wants to join the EU debt slaves or sides with satans NATO forces doesn't deserve freedom anyway.
Ukrainians probably don't see it from the same perspective. The boot heals have always belonged to their neighbors and especially Russia. They might look at how tame life is in the EU compared to Russia (Chechnya, Dagestan, Thisastan, Thatastan, Georgia, Syria...) and figure they want to try it the western way.
That's not to say they have the correct impression today but, yeah you would probably do about the same thing if you were them. There is a reason fish jump from the frying pan into the fire.
LOL. Checkmate CIA. Your move
The US regime was quick to recognize the first non-democratic overthrow, let's see how enthusiastic they are about a second.
Once in a while, it would be nice / refreshing to hear the Ukrainain side of this conflict.
As a person formerly living in that part of the world (Polish border with Ukraine), the mentality is stuck 50/60 years ago. People are often reminded (for political purposes of course) of Stalin as well as the inaccessibility to some goods during the 70s and 80s. Politicians make a boogy man out of Russia, with a lot of the pressure coming from the US to do this. US media and $$$ is funneled in constantly to put fear of Russia into the population, and I don't mean 20years ago..I mean today. I would bet it is far more than the $5 billion Nuland talked about. Far far farrr more.
Meanwhile no-one really considers modern Russia or the fact that NATO has bombed about a million people the last 2 decades. Talking of those kinds of facts might get you into deep trouble these days.
Basically, my people are a bunch of naive idiots letting the EU and the US bend them over. *drinks*
Fine post! Too true.
Good clear headed post...
It is interesting the demonstrators are not demand the removal of the prime minister. Could these demonstrators be Tymoshenko supporters? She is advocating the use of force against "Russian separatists" according to an earlier post. She should have remained in jail. If she regains power, the situation will likely get far worse.
Are you comparing what you know here compared to what they know there? You don't mention the genocide perpetrated against them by the Soviets. One would think that in most minds Soviets equals Russians, in most minds. Yes, the Warsaw pact was more than Russia but it was nothing without Russia. And one would think most Ukrainians would have a legacy memory of such an event and probably be guided by it.
I agree! Solid Post.
Hey I got an idea to solve this quickly without further unrest and bloodshed. They could do this thing called voting for their government, and then see, if they don't like the results they can vote them out of office in the next election. I will claim to be the first to think of this idea, but rumor has it the current Kiev govt. rejected this idea just a few weeks ago. If anybody thinks the election is rigged, other interested folk like the UN, Jimmy Carter, Jessie Jackson, Donald Trump, Donald Duck, Russia, US could send monitors to see that all is fair. I know the US really isn't interested in this idea tho since they won't like the results, so guess it won't happen.
They did that. The Pro Russia guy won.
Now Crimea's votes won't be allowed in the election. After all, they did join Russia.
So the election will no longer go pro Russia.
It's like the GOP getting NY's electoral votes, if you extracted NYC.
Harry was a boxer!! How many of you out there want a few rounds to make him even uglier than he is. I will take the first so no needs for any more.
Randy Houser - Whistlin' Dixie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmLXHjuyg0c (2:57)
If you want to see American and Western European duplicitous lying sacks of shit in action then look no further. This one is certainly a keeper.
What it truly means to be American and to hate yourself for doing nothing to stop it!
P.S.
Hope this "Blowback" is the real thing and that the people of Ukraine know they are being used by the West who have no intention of supporting them only raping and looting them.
http://rt.com/news/security-council-ukraine-violence-312/
Yes, they need to realize that nobody is on their side. They can only hope for allies of convenience. Those allies should be chosen for who can keep them out of a war they cannot win.
That's an odd list of demands by the Kiev protesters--the government should resign, but the same government should stop the proptests in the eastern provinces within 24 hours. Sounds like another State Dept sponsored jumblefuck.
Looks like a small crowd of the Nudelman fanclub (aka Euromaidan) being filmed by a schizo. Do these morons understand the meaning of de-escalation? Crimea is long gone and you're about to be subject to the tender mercies of the IMF....coming to a Kiev near you soon!
Arrest Brennen as a war criminal.
Dudes not allowed to plan to kill people for some rich oligarchs. Destabilize the world and all that. He's a fucking traitor. Arrest Rumsfeld and Cheney.
That would happen if the US was populated with humans instead of just shells of humans.
Then the country would have turned out the way it was meant to, when it was founded.
Amen brother. And the frustrating thing about your comment for me is that this happens at all income levels. I work for a multi-millionaire who is totally clueless. Same for his wife and their circle. WTF?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/12/egypt-police-rape-dissident...
This is the result of Obama's arab spring that he created through the CIA and supported publicly.
Hope & Change
Didn't the Egyptians recently sentence more than 500 political opponents(MB) to death? That's what happens when you give the military a chance to rule, they get shit done. By killing people. A lot of them.
I spent some time looking into that.
It's a sensational headline that means nothing. Most such sentences are commuted or reversed. Lots of appeals layers.
Cairo part 2.
That would be nice.
"Ironically, the protesters may just get their wish. Russian RT Reported that "Ukrainian tanks and heavy military equipment are moving towards the eastern town of Slavyansk, ITAR-TASS reported quoting acting mayor Vyacheslav Ponomarev as saying."...
And it anything happens untoward to the protesting masses we'll know that Brennan visit on Saturday had something to do with it. Wonder if those tanks are owned and operated by Greystone?
If they are I wouldn't want to be them if they start it!
Fuck the U.S.A.!
Interesting that Slavyansk seems to be where the Kiev coup government seems set to make it's more. Perhaps hoping a clean win in a smaller city will spook the bigger ones. From my personal knowledge of Russians, they seldom run away from a fight. The CIA Spook master delivered the Pentagon war plan to Kiev, this may be, as you say, just the start of it. Reminds me of a few lines from an old British movie called threads. When Sheffield experiences a nuclear blast at a nearby NATO airfield, the one builders mate says to his mate, "Come on, this is just the start of it!" And several hundred detonations later, it does finally end. NATO and Washington knew that Russia would not back down on this latest big offensive on Russia. I swear these cunts want world war, they have designs on the world that we can not know, perhaps we don't want to know. Listen to the West then listen to Putin. It is like a mad dog screaming at a school master. The west is now a rabid dog, dangerous and insane. What the fuck happened?
My take also, Jack. They know Putin won't back down. They can't win a conventional war in Ukraine against Russia. Let's add two and two together. The answer is psychopathy. But they have their DUMBs to retreat to, far deeper, more numerous, and more elaborate than might be imagined, and we get fried. Maybe they are playing God in Noah v. 2.0. There was a big rush to finish the Norwegian seed vault. I hear it can take a nuclear blast.
what about two blasts an hour apart say
It is like a mad dog screaming at a school master. The west is now a rabid dog, dangerous and insane. What the fuck happened?
Jack
This is what happens after being "top dog" or at least deluding yourself into thinking that you've owned it for nearly 70 years and finally realizing that you don't control "it" and probably never really did due to the poor choices you made all along and losing your mind as you put it when reality finally sinks in.
I'm beginning to appreciate more these days the dubious title of being called a "cowboy" which is obviously well deserved when traveling abroad as now we have a clearer understanding that we've been crazy for a very long time and that title is justified through those poor choices we've made all along or should I say we've allowed those in positions of power to make for us.
Well said indeed!
It is more like the Corleone's and the Barzini's, Tattaglia's and Stracci's.
Four regional powers are struggling over energy. They are: EU (US Govt is their proxy in this), Russia, Saudi Arabia.
What you see and hear about on the news in either Russia or the US is a cartoon, bearing only superficial resemblance to reality without explaining what is really going on.
Russia is playing the role of the Coreleone's. The US is playing the Barzini's. The EU - or perhaps Britain - is playing the Tattaglia's. And Saudi Arabia is playing the Straccis.
Notably, no one's hands are clean. The US, like the Barzini's, are doing the foot work. The EU, like the Tattaglia's, is the primary party to gain in having energy alternatives to Russia, and Saudi Arabia - Qatar, and other Gulf States - stand to benefit from expanded markets.
In this, Kazakhstan and China - are Carlo Corleone and Tessio. Right now they are pretending to be happy members of the Corleone Clan - Russia - but in reality their interests lie elsewhere.
Kazakhstan is Russia's major competitor for energy in Central Asia. With the global poles of power moving east, they stand to benefit simply by waiting, and then being a lower cost (than Russia) provder to China. China is Tessio, who really wants to be the head of the family.
Unfortunately for Russia, Putin is not Michael Corleone. He's not a deep schemer, and isn't thinking far enough ahead. He's leading like Sonny Corleone, with lots of quick, violent, immediate gratification moves. What are we up to now? Three countries Russia has invaded in the last 5 years? Two? That is what I am talking about.
But between Sonny and Tessio, Tessio is going to win.
THINK ABOUT IT. What happens for US if Ukraine turns westward? - VERY LITTLE. What for the EU? - A LOT. What for the Gulf States? - A LOT. What are the stakes for Russia? It's primary income!
Imagining this to be a case of the black-hats versus the white hats is childish. That is not how the real world works.
Even worse, believing ANY PRIMARY POLITICIAN or ther MAJOR MEDIA mouthpieces is really, really, deeply stupid. In geopolitics it is NEVER in the politician's best interests to tell the truth. It is in a politician's best interests to tell you whatever will make you the most emotionally involved. When a person becomes emotionally involved their brain turns off, and they start 'FEELING' rather than 'THINKING". If you ever hear a politician tell the real Truth, then they have made a mistake.
This is playing out in a much bigger context that makes the rest of the story much more clear. But Russians are ignoring it right now in a fit of nationalist fervor.
FU back. The USA was once the greatest nation on earth. It can be again but it is up the the people. You can be certain that the majority of voters who elected our government had no intention on getting what they got. It will be painful but they will learn a lesson from this.
If the rest of the world is so awesome how come nobody has quite yet put a stop to it? Oh that's right. They also have tyrannical corruptocrats at every level of virtually every government in the world. You're only upset because ours has been the best at it until recently.
Don't worry. We're all gonna feel this when it hits.
The post-coup Kiev government WANTS a bloody confrontation with the pro-Russian groups!!!
THis will provoke an intervention by the Russian military, which will be condemned by the West and used as a pretext for NATO intervention in Ukraine.
In short, the post-coup Kiev government knows that it can NOT survive (with an intact Ukraine) unless the West and NATO intervene militarily. Instead, Kiev will be left with the northern and western regions only; while the WEALTH-PRODUCING southern and eastern regions secede. And without the southern and eastern regions, Ukraine will NEVER be able to repay even the INTEREST on its debts!!! The result will be a TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE for the Kiev government.
Thus, the Kiev government's ONLY OPTION now is to initiate a CIVIL WAR, hoping that Russia will intervene militarily, thereby provoking NATO military intervention.
Then .... BOOM !!!!!
Anyone up for watching "Dr. Strangelove"?
Here is the live stream from Kyiv
www.ustream.tv/channel/ukrstream-tv-???
D'oh! There goes the gay pride parade!
CIA - Those white-shoe, Ivy League boys just can't leave well-enough alone. It's time to TRASH IT!.....
As I recall a few weeks before his death by a crazed lone assasin /sarc, JFK said he intended to break the CIA into a thousand pieces. And afterwards Allan Dulles was a sitting and smirking member of the Warren Commission.
My secretary is in Kyiv right now. Earlier today she said everyone (in Kyiv) was in a bad mood when I talked to her on the phone. She is scheduled to fly back late wednesday, I hope she stays safe.
My wife and I were in Kiev in mid-March - but stayed in the Rus Hotel a few miles from the central square.
Right-Sector and Svoboda , armed with rifles and metal pipes, were patrolling the city, as the police were nowhere to be seen.
People were clearly intimidated by these roving gangs. The hotel personnel warned us NOT to talk politics or criticize the coup - as if we needed any warning!!!!
We are now home in Odessa, thank goodness!
Report from an American living in Odessa, Ukraine:
1.) The pro-Russian populations in siuthern and eastern Ukraine will NEVER allow themselves to be ruled by Kiev. What many in the West do not realize is that, even BEFORE THE COUP, these regions often IGNORED new laws and regulations issued by Kiev. The general attitude was: "Who the Hell is Kiev telling us what to do!"
That attitude is very prevalent throughout Ukraine, as manifested by the Crimea referendum.
2.) The pro-Russian areas are demanding REGIONAL referenda; and NOT a nation-wide referendum (which they will not accept). What the people demand is a separate referendum in EACH OBLAST (similar to our states), which will then determine the political fate of each oblast. If these referenda take place, the southern and eastern regions will vote for INDEPENDENCE and probably later for a union with Russia
BTW: If you want to read the TRUTH about events in Ukraine, may I suggest the web site of Dr. Paul Craig Roberts (the former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Pres. Reagan) at www.PaulCraigRoberts.org . As an American living permanently in Ukraine since 2009, I have found his articles and interviews to the be the mosst fact-based of all the Western media I have read. I don't know where he gets his information, but he is dead-on-balls accurate!