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HFT Firm CEO Seeks Taxpayer Dollars To Save His Hockey Team

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The Florida Panthers finished this season with the 2nd lowest points total in the NHL and drew the 2nd lowest average attendance of 14,200 fans per home game. The team is losing $25 million annually. All of this is the exact opposite situation of the team's owner - Vincent Viola of HFT firm Virtu Financial infamy. As Bloomberg reports, Viola, whose high-frequency trading firm plans to raise millions in an initial public offering next month, is seeking tax dollars to help cover the bills for the hockey team he bought six months ago. Viola asked lawmakers in South Florida’s Broward County to use $64 million in taxpayer funds for arena bond payments owed by the team. In addition to taking over bond payments, which would be made over the next 14 years, the team wants concessions that would cost county taxpayers another $14 million in the same period.


As Bloomberg reports, officials in Broward, which encompasses Fort Lauderdale on the Atlantic Coast, disagree on how to proceed, with some saying that if they don’t pick up the tab, the team may move and leave taxpayers with $225 million in debt and an empty arena.

"If we lose the Panthers and the arena operators, we would devalue our asset," said Broward Mayor Barbara Sharief, referring to the $220 million BB&T Center arena near Fort Lauderdale. "The building could stay vacant for six months out of the year. That’s a significant loss."


The value of the 20,000-seat arena would drop 70 percent if the Panthers fold or relocate, Sharief said. The arena would probably lose its concert promoter, Live Nation Entertainment Inc., and forfeit a $2 million annual state subsidy.

iola has been owner since September...

The team, in its current location since the 1998-99 season, was sold to Viola and Douglas Cifu, Virtu’s CEO, in September for $250 million, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. Team CEO Rory Babich declined to comment.


The team is losing $25 million annually, according to a county review.

But everyone involves expects the taxpayer handout...

With more tax money, the Panthers could recruit better players, said Babich, the team CEO. The county could share the profits, he said.


In addition to taking over bond payments, which would be made over the next 14 years, the team wants concessions that would cost county taxpayers another $14 million in the same period.


Babich wouldn’t say whether the team would move if it doesn’t get a bigger subsidy. He said the team expects to reach a “satisfactory’’ resolution with Broward.

So the big question is - why does Viola need US taxpayer help when his firm (and his pocketbook) is exploding with holy grail cash? Or is that, in a nutshell, how one gets rich in this new normal... take the profits and let government take the downside.


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Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:17 | 4663636 Savvy
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Luongo! LMAO!!!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:25 | 4663664 john39
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never understood hockey in the south...   superficial corporate fan base.  not much staying power.  let it die.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:44 | 4663717 ndotken
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The idiot was stupid enough to buy a hockey team in South Florida ... he deserves whatever punishment is inflicted on him

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:07 | 4663774 Mark Carney
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More snowbirds!!!!!!!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:30 | 4663844 ndotken
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Viola is the same asshole that is trying to sell his 20,000 sq ft home in NYC (for which he paid $20 million) for $114 million.  Some people's greed has no limits.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:50 | 4663888 Bananamerican
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Fuck hockey...
And that hockey puck wealthy-fare queen Viola

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:01 | 4663909 zaphod
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I like hockey

But $64M to of public money to sponsor an event only 14,000 people go to is a bit absurd. That fact that people can even ask for this with a straight face is a problem.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:04 | 4663916 Four chan
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ipo right before the sec cracks down. that scammer must have been mad as hell the day those guys blew up hft's on cnbc. lol.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:47 | 4664015 James_Cole
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BB&T centre, cost $200M built in 1998 so Pathners had a home. Nice for taxpayers to regularly bail out rich sports team owners I suppose?

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 00:45 | 4664083 Spitzer
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Panthers payroll

Campbell, Brian » $7,142,875
Jovanovski, Ed » 35+ $4,125,000
Luongo, Roberto » RSA
Fleischmann, T. » $4,500,000  
Wed, 04/16/2014 - 07:23 | 4664418 StandardDeviant
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$1 of "public" money to sponsor any sporting event, whatever the attendance, is a crime.  Buy your own damn ticket!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:50 | 4664018 Richardk888
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Maybe they can play the Bahamian Hockey team in an exhibition game to help raise funds. 

I bet there are tens of people interested in supporting a hockey team in the state of FL.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 02:42 | 4664183 StychoKiller
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Hmm, why not start a Rollerball league instead?  Johnathon E is a free agent...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:08 | 4663779 Crawdaddy
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Southern big shot Freemasons need love too. Must. Keep. Joe Sixpack. Distracted.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 01:55 | 4664148 Silver Bug
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Wow this is pathetic and at the same time laughable. What has the world come to?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:40 | 4663863 steelhead23
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Maybe they should sell Luongo.  Look, this may be hockey, but Viola is playing hardball.  So, here's the deal - DON'T GIVE THIS JACKASS A CENT!  Let the bondholders take possession of arena.  Please tell me you didn't pay for it using GO bonds.  If you did, it may be time to move - or commit suicide.  

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 03:45 | 4664239 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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How many troughs does this fucker Vinnie Viola need to feed at? I mean snort snort HFT snort snort taxpayer handouts snort snort snort little piggy. Is there a better example of exactly and precisely what is WRONG with this country? Can't we revoke his citizenship and make him go live in Venezuela or something?

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 01:19 | 4664117 Freddie
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Here you go boys and girls:


They reported in March 2014 that during five years they made profit 1277 out of 1278 days, losing money just one day.

One losing trading day in 5 years and they bought this turkey hockey team?  Move it to NJ.


Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:17 | 4663638 Crawdaddy
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Die HFT huckster die. While we are at it, every pro team owner can go suck a bag of dicks. The whole bunch is nothing but a band of masonic state loving grifters.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:18 | 4663640 TeamDepends
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The smooth move would be to pull up stakes, move to Alaska and start a baseball franchise.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 00:31 | 4664068 Spitzer
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The fucking Panthers won the draft lottery TODAY


Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:19 | 4663641 0b1knob
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The guy who ran Blackberry (into the ground) was in the market for a hockey team.   Perhaps he could sell it to him.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:32 | 4663688 Bindar Dundat
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He also built it from nothing jerk ass.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:12 | 4663654 Vice
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Isn't the NHL considered a nonprofit and so it's exempt from taxes?

So he makes his money in HFT now while the panthers have a shit losing streak. Then spend billions on the team when the HFT game is up, and with rapid improvement comes more fradualent tax evasive money to line his pockets with. 

same as it ever was

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:27 | 4663836 mumbo_jumbo
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not sure about the NHL but the NFL is nonprofit

what a weird world we live in.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:09 | 4663930 NoDebt
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Non-profit is where ALL the profit is.  I've been trying to figure out how to reclassify my advisory business as non-profit for the last 2 years.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:33 | 4663655 pigs-n-space
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WTF , the wheels can't come off the wagon soon enough. If I cant pay my bills and don't have extra cash to spend, I go without. What audacity, let the chips fall and those of us that can take care of our own will. The rest can rot. No more bailouts on anything (fucking period)........  

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:23 | 4663660 logicalman
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I'm rarely lost for words ...................

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:16 | 4663955 NoDebt
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I feel you on that.  It's like a kidnapper pointing a gun at the hostage's head and saying "continue to misallocate resources to my personal project or the economy gets it!"

Fuck this asshole.  This situation could be fixed with one well-placed match.


Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:24 | 4663661 yogibear
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He'll probably get it. The taxpayers are busy veging out  on Hollywood trash,

And by the way, no need to pay it back.

Another $17 trillion in debt and an off-load of the bad debt to the taxpayer.

State politicians know they can just spend more and get higher taxes.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:24 | 4663663 Dr. Engali
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I don't know, but ice hockey in sunny Florida might have a small part to play in your problem. Oh, and I've never seen a panther in ice so maybe a name change is in order.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:06 | 4663772 Thermopylae
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"maybe a name change is in order"

Outstanding idea!   Change it to the Florida Traitors (um, I mean Traders).

THen he should go out and sign the biggest thugs the league has ever known, tell them to play dirty and fuck all the rules of the game, thumbing their noses at the refs.

ESPN will do a "30 for 30" on them titled "Slapshot2"

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:13 | 4663798 booboo
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Ever seen a Solar Bear?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:29 | 4663678 Sarconomy
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What we need is some good old-fashioned relegation.  Works wonders to rid soccer leagues of their dross in the rest of the world.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:30 | 4663681 BringingTheRukus
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Another reason to hate Gary bettman and his expansion dreams!


Wed, 04/16/2014 - 14:28 | 4666059 SmackDaddy
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Columbus and Minneapolis deserved teams....   I think hockey may slowly turn the tide on football in Ohio.  Happening in my house.  I played football for a D1 HS in Ohio.  Always disliked the game though.  Wasnt fun to play.  I told my son the only way he plays football is if he can join the team his jr year of high school and start right away.  You simply dont need all that practive in football, so long as you are one of the top sprinters in your school and weight 180+.  Hockey, on the other hand, you gotta start em young.  It's actually fun to play and he'll have better chances at a scholarship.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:34 | 4663691 Semi-employed W...
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I live in Florida. We don't give a fuck about hockey.  Leave you fucking fucker and take your faggots on ice with you!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:52 | 4663743 Tsar Pointless
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Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:13 | 4663799 nmewn
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Its just how we roll.

Solar companies sue federal government because federal government didn't ASS RAPE Floridians (and by extension ALL taxpayers) hard enough.

Its really all in ones perspective, isn't it?

Oh yeah, its Elon Musk, dick face that he is.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 05:27 | 4664304 Offthebeach
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It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:44 | 4663726 Hungarian Pengos
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So move the team up to Quebec, Hamilton, Seattle, or Kansas City and make a ton of money.  Why is there an NHL team in Miami anyway?

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 02:46 | 4664188 StychoKiller
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Yo, is yer avatar Miley Cyrus' behind?  (Not that I would know of such things...)

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 07:48 | 4664468 Grinder74
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+1 just for the avatar

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:44 | 4663728 Joebloinvestor
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Al Davis still holds the record for fleecing.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 02:47 | 4664189 StychoKiller
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Isn't that offense a ten-yard penalty?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:58 | 4663751 Dr. Engali
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Looks like Dr. Paul has made some enemies in the IRS:

Ron Paul group to defy IRS

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:57 | 4663752 GoinFawr
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In related news the owner of an allegedly 'professional' tar sands fueled team scraping the bottom of the standings is getting roughly a cool 1/2 billion from the taxpayers for a new arena to replace what appears to be a perfectly sound one already in operation. It's a 'small market' city with ~1,000,000 folks in it all apparently willing, after being held hostage, to chip in about 500 visages of the queen apiece down to every man, woman and child for the privilege, whether they could give two shits about cheering G'Oilers! or no.

On his way to the bank Billionaire Daryl Katz was heard to exclaim, "Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahha!"

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:10 | 4663786 robertocarlos
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You should shop at Rexall and get 5 dollars off purchases over 25 dollars.  Then you'd like Katz.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:49 | 4663834 GoinFawr
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I would, but I'm not sure the humvee's suspension can handle navigating the cratered moonscape the locals refer to as 'pavement' in that burg.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 07:50 | 4664472 Grinder74
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Yeah but for some reason, the women in Edmonton are scorching hawt.  I never understood it while working there; just enjoyed it.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 15:22 | 4666338 GoinFawr
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Sure you're not thinking of Camrose? Something (not) in the water there...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:58 | 4663757 robertocarlos
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Lou plus this year's first pick equals playoffs in 2 years.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:02 | 4663761 overexposed
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An ice hokey team fails... In Florida?

Ladies and gentlemen, yet again: GOVERNMENTS ARE THE WORST INVESTORS 100% OF THE TIME.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:03 | 4663764 Peter Pan
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Is this the land of the free or the free pass?

What these people need is for someone to take a swing at their heads with a baseball bat.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:15 | 4663801 CheapBastard
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When you have time check out the tax breaks for baseball teams.

It will stun you.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:17 | 4663806 booboo
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Change the name to the Dead Sea Divers and the south florida jews will fund it. In fact, run it as a front for jewpac or what the fuck ever their lobbist group is called and fund boot stomping all over the globe, what the fuck do I have to come with these ideas for them?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:23 | 4663821 DipshitMiddleCl...
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cant imagine theres alot of interest in ice hockey in south florida...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:24 | 4663824 mumbo_jumbo
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"The county could share the profits, he said"


LOL, apparently this dumb fuck hasn't been paying attention.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:29 | 4663841 kchrisc
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I'll pony up if I can use the arena for my guillotine.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:32 | 4663850 Tenshin Headache
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There is no end to human greed or to the suffering it causes.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:33 | 4663852 Seasmoke
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Good thing a Canadien is the Commissioner of the NHL . 



Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:38 | 4663857 Intoxicologist
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I'd pay to watch him get rammed into the boards, repeatedly.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:49 | 4663883 Toxicosis
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I pushed the button, it didn't work.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:57 | 4664030 therover
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Fuck all professional sports. I can't wait for the day when it all implodes. Then maybe taxpayer money can be used to FIX THE FUCKING POT HOLES ON THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS (and every other taxpayer maintained road that is cratered).

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 00:07 | 4664044 prains
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Hockey is a great sport if you've grown up with it and understand its nuances but it's been poisoned by professionals and it's owners, fuck the NHL and it's corporate agenda

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 00:55 | 4664095 Max Cynical
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"If we lose the Panthers and the arena operators, we would devalue our asset," said Broward Mayor Barbara Sharief'

Since when has any government employee been concerned with devaluation of assets? Preservation of assets has never been high on their list of responsibilities.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 02:33 | 4664177 Philalethian
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"It's the banksters that are responsible..."


Wed, 04/16/2014 - 07:28 | 4664426 MFL8240
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Don't agree with bailouts of banks or GM but, this one is a better bet than GM or Sylyndra the solar experiment this clown in chief spent 640 million taxpayer dollars on.  Why is it necessary to bail out banks and bankers bonuses and this not ok?

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 07:44 | 4664459 Grinder74
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Why is there an ice hockey team in Florida to begin with?  

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 08:40 | 4664591 Fix It Again Timmy
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Hey, my snow-making machine business in Northern Alaska is doing badly, I WANT a gov't. bailout and I want it NOW!!!....

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 08:46 | 4664605 Fix It Again Timmy
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Hey, hey...My dehumidifier business in the Sahara desert is doing badly, I WANT a gov't. bailout and I want it Yesterday!!!....

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 08:49 | 4664612 Downtoolong
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If we lose the Panthers

Funny how it’s always “we” when there’s losing involved, but it’s always “they” when there’s winning and profits involved. Wall Street, real estate, hockey, they’re all the same game really. Isn’t that right Vinny?

Privatize the gains and socialize the losses.

Heads I win, tails you lose.

So many ways to say it.

So many ways to steal it.

So little time.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 09:54 | 4664785 Freewheelin Franklin
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Ice hockey in Florida was doomed to fail. I don't think they could fill the arena when they were contenders for the Cup. 

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 14:14 | 4666006 SmackDaddy
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Look at the western division standings though.  Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg under Phoenix, LA, and Anaheim.  Wth all the shit to do in those desert cities, youd think theyd at least let Edmonton have fucking hockey.  No justice in this world haha

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 10:13 | 4664864 studfinder
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So is he a member of the FSA or the leader?  Feed this f### to the sharks.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 10:22 | 4664900 Yancey Ward
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I hear the team is moving to Caracas.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 10:45 | 4664998 Ariadne
Wed, 04/16/2014 - 14:09 | 4665990 SmackDaddy
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Wed, 04/16/2014 - 12:00 | 4665158 Kelley
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 The money quote from the CEO:

"With more tax money, the Panthers could recruit better players," said Babich, the team CEO." 


If I had more taxpayer money, I could buy nicer shoes, eat more steak, and attend more sporting events.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 13:40 | 4665835 10mm
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This is why i defaulted with banks and fraud system. These fuckers get impunity. Im out baby.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 14:08 | 4665968 SmackDaddy
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LETS GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  But seriously, this why I hate hearing that despite being overpaid, athletes make a 'market' wage.  When the taxpayers stop subsidizing the stadium, then we'll see what the market wages is.  It's like my buddy who can afford to live well above his pay grade b/c his dad takes care of the mortgage.... 

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 21:56 | 4667330 Kelley
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A south Florida team needs to market differently.

All games should start at 4 pm and include a free dinner. The place would be packed.

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