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Putin Tells Merkel "Ukraine On The Verge Of A Civil War" As Germany Agrees To Re-Sell Russian Gas To Ukraine

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A day after Putin called Obama to warn him that only the US president can prevent bloodshed in Ukraine - something which Obama failed at based on this morning's reports out of east Ukraine - German Chancellor Angela Merkel had a follow up phone call with the Kremlin a few hours ago, in which Putin told her that "The sharp escalation of the conflict puts the country, in essence, on the verge of a civil war".

From Itar-Tass:

President Vladimir Putin has had a telephone conversation with Chancellor Angela Merkel of the Federal Republic of Germany and discussed with her the situation in Ukraine, the Kremlin press service reports.


Russia's Head of State pointed out , "The sharp escalation of the conflict puts the country, in essence, on the verge of a civil war".


The leaders of the two countries accentuated the importance of talks in a quadripartite format (Russia, the European Union, the United States, and Ukraine), planned for April 17. "Hope has been expressed that the sides at the meeting in Geneva will manage to convey a clear message contributing to directing the situation into a peaceful channel," a Kremlin press service official added.


The RF President also recalled the importance of stabilizing the economy of Ukraine and of ensuring deliveries and transit of Russian natural gas to Europe. This had been reiterated in his message, dated April 10, 2014, to the leaders of a number of European countries.


The telephone conversation was held on the initiative of the German side.

Considering the events from this morning which nearly resulted in the S&P plunging below 1800 only to be "redeemed" by the "bad news" that the Japanese economy is about to stumble yet again, leading algos to believe that more BOJ QE is imminent and sending the S&P surging by over 30 points in the span of a few hours, this is hardly surprising.

What is more surprising, is that as we reported earlier, the very same Germany, through its RWE AG utility, announced it would supply Ukraine with nat gas in 2014 since Gazprom is adamant on no longer providing the troubled country with the precious commodity in the absence of payment (which Ukraine can't afford). WSJ reports:

German utility RWE AG said it agreed to supply Ukraine with natural gas this year, as the troubled country seeks to reduce its reliance on gas imported from Russia.


RWE is the first European energy company to agree to supply gas to Ukraine since the political crisis there threatened the former Soviet republic's supplies from Russia. But the deal underscores the extent to which Europe, now scrambling to shore up Ukraine, also depends on Russian gas.

The paradox of course, is that Germany itself is reliant on Russian natgas exports for about a third of its needs, which means that the gas Germany "sells" to Ukraine will in fact originate in the Ukraine! "RWE declined to estimate how much of its gas deliveries to Ukraine's state-owned energy company Naftogaz will likely stem from Russia or to provide details to the agreement, such as volumes, price or the duration of the shipments."

What the deal would do, is to allow Ukraine to purchase nat gas at lower prices than the 81% price surge Gazprom is demanding from Ukraine in the Kremlin's implicit halt of gas supplies to the intransigent ex-USSR republic. As a result, the deal "could at least partially buffer Ukraine from price increases imposed by Russia's OAO Gazprom—which currently supplies the vast majority of the country's gas imports—and the state-owned energy giant's recent threats to turn off the spigot. RWE said it would begin the gas deliveries via Poland immediately, adding only that the gas would be supplied at European market prices, including delivery costs."

There are other complications:

It isn't clear how much gas the RWE deal will enable to flow to Ukraine. Under a 2012 deal between the German utility and Ukraine, the German company could ship up to 10 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine each year—the precise amount is agreed upon annually. However, RWE currently can't ship the maximum allowable amount because of capacity constraints, a company spokesman said. RWE shipped around one billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine last year.


Ukraine consumed around 50 billion cubic meters of gas in 2013, of which 60% came from Russia, according to its government. and most of the rest was produced domestically. Gazprom earlier this month raised gas prices for Ukraine by 81%, saying that Naftogaz owed it around $2.2 billion. Officials in Moscow later warned there could be gas-supply disruptions if Ukraine's unpaid gas bills weren't resolved.


Some analysts caution that European countries won't be able to supply Ukraine with significant quantities of gas until pipelines that carry gas into the country are upgraded.


Central and Eastern Europe's gas-pipeline system was built to ship large quantities of Russian gas westward. After a price dispute in 2009 prompted Gazprom to temporarily halt gas supplies to Ukraine, the European Union looked into upgrading pipelines to allow for reverse flows of gas back into Ukraine. The EU currently receives around 30% of its annual gas demand from Russia, of which around a half is delivered via pipelines that run through Ukraine.


But reverse-flow capacity into Ukraine is still limited. In 2013, around 2 billion cubic meters of gas were shipped to Ukraine via Poland and Hungary, according to the European Commission.

Finally, even this attempt to keep Ukraine plugged in, is likely merely for optical purposes:

Jonathan Stern, senior research fellow at the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies, said Russian gas supplies to Ukraine would likely remain indispensable near-term.


"I expect that raising reverse-flow capacities to around 5 bcm this year should be possible, but that would still leave a large gap to meet all of Ukraine's gas needs," Mr. Stern said.

Of course Putin knows this. He also knows that all this deal really means is that instead of Ukraine paying Gazprom it will now be up to Germany to foot the bill for Ukraine token nat gas supply, which in the grand scheme of things, will hardly be sufficient to move the needle.


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Tue, 04/15/2014 - 19:40 | 4663321 Timmay
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Somebody, quick, print some money.....

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 19:46 | 4663341 Mr Pink
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Boston marathon finish line evactuated. Possible bomb. Story at 11

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 19:53 | 4663367 SmilinJoeFizzion
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Sounds like another whack job

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:16 | 4663467 Latina Lover
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America is now trying to create a syria style civil war in  the Ukraine, to destablize Russia. It will fail since ukrainians will not die enmass for phony ideals. They've been there, and done that under the USSR.  Putin understands the CIA game plan and will give the Americans valuable lessons in tradecraft.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:31 | 4663518 linniepar
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Any Craft agents spotted? Where'd your backpack go, bro?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:39 | 4663531 Latina Lover
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Brennan, head of CIA,was in Kiev Sat. April 12th, 2014. If you think he is visiting Kiev only to troll for local boys, then there is nothing I can say that will persuade you.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:48 | 4663559 macholatte
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it will now be up to Germany to foot the bill for Ukraine token nat gas


history tells us that one way or another, sooner or later, the bill will be paid by the American sheeple.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:59 | 4663579 666
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Why should Putin lose sleep about losing income by supplying gas to the Ukraine? All he has to do is turn the valve and send that gas to China and India.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:19 | 4663644 markmotive
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Civil war around the corner.

Ex MI5 on how 'US miscalculated will of Ukrainian people'

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:07 | 4663922 Four chan
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what if hitler had saggy tits?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:55 | 4664026 StychoKiller
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The paradox of course, is that Germany itself is reliant on Russian natgas exports for about a third of its needs, which means that the gas Germany "sells" to Ukraine will in fact originate in the Ukraine!


Someone, get Milo Minderbinder to make a statement...:>D

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 04:17 | 4664266 Contingent Claim
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Wed, 04/16/2014 - 04:43 | 4664281 Gavrikon
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American taxpayers, huh? 

Actually, somehow I think my gas bill here in Germany is going to go up even faster than we thought.

And our electric bills have ALREADY gone nuts because we are shutting down our nuclear power plants in favor of "renewable" energy.

Fuck, maybe moving here from BRA wasn't such a great fucking idea.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:04 | 4663769 Jack Burton
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"to troll for boys" Good one! But get it right, "to troll for under age boys".

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 03:55 | 4664246 silvermail
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Ability to manipulate the political situation in Ukraine - is the ability to manipulate energy security of Europe. If successful, this project USA in Ukraine, Europe will be destroyed economically and disintegrate into many states. After that, the U.S. is organizing a war between European states. And thus, the agony of the U.S. dollar will be again extended.

U.S. actions in Ukraine - it is a U.S. plan to rescue the U.S. dollar the expense of Europe.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 07:57 | 4664483 Ayr Rand
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Prime Minister Puta .... what a fantastic ambassador for stupidity and death. Puta, Puta, Puta, Puta, ...!

Incidentally, since apparently nobody has thought about this (IQs having suddenly lowered again)... if the $ goes down in value by 20%, the GDP of the US goes up by about the same amount. No, the real danger to the US is that the $ goes up. 

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 03:44 | 4664235 silvermail
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"America is now trying to create a syria style civil war in  the Ukraine, to destablize Russia."

America is now trying to create a syria style civil war in  the Ukraine, to destabilize EUROPE.

In this case, the United States will be able to successfully remove Europe (as main rival USA) from all of the financial and currency markets.
This will create a flow of money out of the economy in Europe, to the U.S. economy. Economic strangulation of Europe - this is the main goal of the U.S. in the Ukraine.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 06:37 | 4664351 old naughty
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Let me get this straight, this is the "fxxk EU" plan all along...and Put-in is in on it?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:09 | 4663433 McMolotov
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Heavens to Merkeltroyd! (trying to stay on topic)

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:20 | 4663486 jon dough
Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:21 | 4663491 wee-weed up
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Merkel: "Vlad, we want gas!"

Putin: "Pull my finger!"

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:24 | 4663499 Alpo for Granny
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Glad you have been around again McMolotov.

That is all.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:11 | 4663444 Deathrips
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No shit. Watch Syria, Nevada and Saudi.....too.

These fuckers are going hot!



Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:23 | 4663495 Alpo for Granny
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Quick..remove every Bostonian from their homes at gupoint. If they ask why, shoot them turrists in the face.


Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:20 | 4663488 Alpo for Granny
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Piece of shit war monger John Mccain on Faux news now beating the war drum. Comparisons of Putin to hitler, US will "go it alone", must support the oppositon at all costs,  etc etc.


Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:36 | 4663527 wee-weed up
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Ol' McCainiac needs to be put in a home somewhere where nurses can look after him...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:47 | 4663731 americanspirit
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Wee-weed up - I think old Songbird John needs to be put under an interstate overpass where other old veterans can take care of him. Slowly and very painfully.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:06 | 4663771 Jack Burton
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McCain lost his mind in the Hanoi Hilton, many men better than me would. But that does not excuse his insane war mongering, nor his desire to have our children do his fighting. Fucker, what was he doing over Vietnam anyways? Was it his country? Did the people want him there? Who was he trying to kill and why?

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 04:44 | 4664282 Gavrikon
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I think it's time we had us a lynchin.'

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 19:46 | 4663343 Aknownymouse
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Print more gas.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:05 | 4663412 CrashisOptimistic
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"The paradox of course, is that Germany itself is reliant on Russian natgas exports for about a third of its needs, which means that the gas Germany "sells" to Ukraine will in fact originate in the Ukraine!"


Probable error here, Tyler.

German gas from Russia arrives via the Nord Stream pipeline.  That would be what is sent to Ukraine.  It doesn't pass thru Ukraine.  It's a separate pipeline, way up north.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:45 | 4663550 Latina Lover
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Personally, I don't think Gazprom cares if Germany imports gas and resells it to the Ukraine. This way, they are guaranteed to get paid.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:09 | 4663781 Jack Burton
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Indeed! It was Gazprom itself that suggested this solution to Europe. Putin forwarded a letter to that effect to all EU leaders several days ago. It seems in this case the EU got the message and took Vlad good advice. As today, Vlad suggested that only the USA could stop the unfolding civil war in Ukraine. But instead, the USA praised the military attacks as restraint! Also, the Ukrainian Rada passed a law during Euro Miadan riots that army and police are forbidden to use armed for on protestors. Funny, that!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:27 | 4663346 Spumoni
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Ja, vee should make a litte money...vee don't vant Gazprom losing so much profit, nein! Zee bunds, zee bunds! Vee must haff our coupons, genau!


edit: Hey - no offense to anyone. Its just hard to resist when its Merkel, a German accent, and Rusky gas all in one story. I'm tellin' ya - this shit is rich. Grand larceny indeed!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 19:48 | 4663352 Bill D. Cat
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This reminds me of Jackass when one of the idiots is wearing an antique metal diving helmet with a hose attached . 

The gas only goes one way .

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 19:51 | 4663362 WMM II
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"Putin Tells Merkel "Ukraine On The Verge Of A Civil War" As Germany Agrees To Re-Sell Russian Gas To Ukraine"




yeah. just like 97+% of the crimean folks really voted for czar putintake.



Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:06 | 4663425 CrashisOptimistic
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97% sounds right.  They were told, rightly, their pay would double or triple.  Russian pay rates are way above Ukraine's.



Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:19 | 4663485 Deathrips
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I thought the dodo was extinct....well i guess MDB has been here too.



Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:12 | 4663794 Jack Burton
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Pay tripled, pensions doubled. Russian passports for all. The state declared debt free with zero government debt per citizen. No IMF loans or EU austerity. Man, you would have to be a right stupid daft cunt to not vote to join Russia, especially when over 60% were Russians! But then, we expect the CNN crowd to come on ZH and spew the Washington line.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:28 | 4663819 HardlyZero
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Completely agree on the talk...even if it is half-truths it is better than the alternate.  Also if they develop Odessa and other seaside areas it could turn into Russia's only warm sunny beachside community (like South of France or California).

A Russia only Ukraine will eliminate middle-man and EU gets cheaper more reliable energy, assuming the Russians hold up their end.   Maybe it will work.

The right investment and thinking and 5 years of stability, keeping Ukraine tax-free zones, and it might turn the corner.  

It is hope and a prayer.

Hope something good comes out of all these problems and the weapons can be put away.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:28 | 4663839 Spumoni
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They'll sell 10,000 square foot dachas to German Banksters. Everything'll be fine. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:23 | 4663968 Volkodav
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Odessa is not Crimea...

just a referendum away...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:36 | 4663991 Real Estate Geek
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How the worm has turned.  Crimea may shape up as a West Berlin for the new millenium. 

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 06:29 | 4664343 eurogold
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+1000 to Jack Burton !

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 13:24 | 4665406 WMM II
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Jack Burton:

"The state declared debt free with zero government debt per citizen. No IMF loans or EU austerity."

but of course, the crimeans could have done that as an independent country. they didn't need putinczar for that.


"Man, you would have to be a right stupid daft cunt to not vote to join Russia, especially when over 60% were Russians!"

too bad an independant crimea, under neither putinzar nor ukraine was not on the ballot. but hey, who needs real choices when you've got the oligarchs.


as for '60% were Russians'... well, that buys into the putinczar-party line:

"speak russian you shall be russia's. its your only choice. and i've got the guns to prove it. don't speak russian? but you neighbors do? bad luck, you're russia's too."

perfect rationalization for russian expansion. much akin to the domino theory of old for the u.s. of a.


"But then, we expect the CNN crowd to come on ZH and spew the Washington line."

jack, you don't recognize me?




Wed, 04/16/2014 - 10:51 | 4665025 WMM II
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crash: "97% sounds right.  They were told, rightly, their pay would double or triple."


and that there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq.


"russian pay rates are way above ukraine's"

so, wages in crimea, when ruled as a part of ukraine by that guy who fled for his life to russia, were being held artificially low? to the tune of double or triple?

magic wand does putintake have? unionization? surplus funds from the bank of putintakin-oligarch?


just like those 90+% landslide victories of the ol' south america - africa, the people 'voted' the next generation of dictators into power, the 97% is soooo unbelievable that the only reasonable conclusion is that the number is utter and complete nonsense.

but of course, with that clear of a mandate, only a fool would not let in the international monitors to validate the overwhelming support of the people and silence those, like me, who said bullsh*t to that election.



p.s. just for fun, check back in a year or so and see if that 'double or triple pay' comes to fruition.

i will.





Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:19 | 4663481 Mine Is Bigger
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The 90+% figure is among the Crimean people WHO VOTED, not among the region's population.  I don't blame you, since all news reports I saw and read cast it as "an impossibly high proportion of the population voted for secession" as if to suggest the results were manipulated.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:42 | 4663540 Latina Lover
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You are right of course.  The Crimeans would rather have gas prices double, pensions cut by 50%,  wages not paid, currency controls and ultra high inflation than leave the Ukraine, run by a coup government. Sarc off/

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 12:08 | 4665378 WMM II
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too bad the crimeans weren't given the choice to be free of both the putinczar and the corruption rampant under the russian fella who fled back home after he was tossed out for being, well, let's call it czar-like. but hey, who needs real choices when there's an 'election'.


as to the economic choices you laid out for the folks in the crimean, putinczar has shown the talent to fix the russian economy, so he ought to be able fix the crimean one.




Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:57 | 4663558 socalbeach
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There was an 84% turnout, and 97% of those wanted to re-join Russia.  However, for WMM II to calculate the total % of registered voters that wanted to become part of Russia requires advanced math: multiplication.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 12:23 | 4665236 WMM II
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first, thanks for the link to wmm II. i could not have found it without your help.

you seem to suggest that somehow there is a connection between the 'longevity' of wmm II and my math ability.

go add hominid your self.



your citing of the 84% turnout, and the 97%,  reveals susceptibility to the citation of numbers as being authoritative by its nature. (its a number, therefore it must be true.)

to believe that the 'ballot' offered choices, is inaccurate. to believe that a percentage can be assigned to the results from that ballot in crimea to be actual, not propaganda, is naive.

with cowardly russian troops hiding in plain sight, using cheapo tactics of covering their insignia so as to fool fools.....that's a good basis for mathematical analysis and action based upon those statistics.





Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:25 | 4663507 Leaping Lizard
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Got any eye witness facts of voting irregularities to back up that opinion?

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 13:16 | 4665684 WMM II
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guessin youzza speakin to me, leapin?


there would have been eye witnesses but, gosh and golly gee whiz, the putinczar decided that with such overwhelming support from the people of crimea, that not only would he limit the ballot measures to only choosing to join russia and not allow the choice of independence for crimea itself, but also that he would not let in the international monitors to oversee 'the vote'.

so, i guess, to answer your question more succinctly: no.

just the eyesight of common sense and the lessons from the history of 90+% election results in south america dictator only contests.




that you grant the concept of 'voting' to the process is where you begged the question.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 04:46 | 4664284 Gavrikon
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I wish Zionist neo-tards would stay the fuck off this website. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 19:56 | 4663379 123dobryden
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where is Makhno's black army to fight for ukrainian common people  freedom? He would definitely kick again Obama's Merkel's and Putin's ass pretty badly with his paesant army one more time!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:31 | 4663428 earleflorida
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'Storage and Transport of NatGas'

Ref. russian gas pipelines [2007]



Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:10 | 4663437 Son of Captain Nemo
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Translation:  The U.S. courtesy of it's parasite Israel probably has a nuclear device in their embassy in Berlin ready for "destinations unknown" if Angela' attempts to go off the "reservation"...

Gas and oil that Germany will now have to share to meet it's own and Ukraine's needs only hurts Germany!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:13 | 4663455 CrashisOptimistic
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Merkel is having a company that can't send much gas to Ukraine agree to do so, in accordance with a contract already in place.  It's an insignificant amount and changes nothing, other than lets Germany look like they are "doing their part".

There is nothing new in this story, and certainly nothing to trigger bizzare conspiracy scenarios.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:18 | 4663476 Son of Captain Nemo
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You may be right and I'd believe you only if the last two months never happened and Yanukovych was still President of Ukraine and a coup orchestrated by the West never took place.

The stuff that happened today and has been happening certainly isn't a figment of anyones imagination most importantly Germany's considering it's proximity to the S-400s pointed at it from Russia.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 23:17 | 4663958 Volkodav
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not s-400...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:13 | 4663457 Peter Pan
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Merkel cannot get her gold back.

Merkel cannot get access to her NSA file.

So does Merkel get the message?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:19 | 4663482 Tengri Temujin
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This is what life is like when foreign military bases are on your soil

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:30 | 4663682 Peter Pan
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x 1000 bases all over the world.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:49 | 4663734 americanspirit
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You have nailed it Peter Pan.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:17 | 4663477 I Write Code
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Merkel should start a crash program to eat more sauerkraut and generate domestic gas to sell or give to Ukraine.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:21 | 4663490 kwatinhu
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You gotta feel sorry for the Ukrainians for being in the middle of a ping pong match between Russia and the "Free West". If they put their faith in the belief that BendOver Barry had their back, I REALLY feel for them. He's never shown he gives a damn about anyone but his own self interest. I mean if he would sell his own country(?) down the river for his marxist values, how could they expect he would do any more for them. Maybe they really believed that the CIA runs things here like the KGB. Maybe nobody let them in on the international banksters' cartel's plan, in which they are kind of the sacrificial goat.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:25 | 4663504 nmewn
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Saaay, this Putin fellow sure seems to not be as "green" as his socialist neighbors.

This is bad publicity, from a peak-somethingorother standpoint.

How bout the Ukrainians go into the Solynd, errr, ahhh, the solar business and trade a few panels for gas. Surely, being the man-of-the-world, nature lover, chess player-type, he can appreciate the longevity of the game being played here.

No? ;-)

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:27 | 4663511 skank
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what Fourth Reich?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:40 | 4663537 Intellikon
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Putin is talking his book, as is demonstrated by the 3 month correlation of oil prices and rhetoric coming out of Russia.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:47 | 4663553 Latina Lover
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So what? If it profited you, wouldn't you do the same?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:59 | 4663578 Intellikon
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Point being, if there is a civil war, don't believe it until it happens, not every time Putin rattles his kalashnikov.

But to address your question, not everyone can be driven by profit... that would make us all psychopaths.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:44 | 4663723 nowhereman
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Not all of us only people like you

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:32 | 4663849 Spumoni
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I do believe that you just made, er... his point...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:05 | 4663594 SDRII
Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:12 | 4663617 disabledvet
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i know i'm being picky but these are PRECIPITOUS events not "provocative" as the folks "pushing" policy keep claiming.

in other words "every move causes another move" which means for all you home gamers "this ain't chess" as the game never ends.

So sure..."hahahahaha...Germany exporting gas....hahahahahaha." Well...Germany is the world's third largest economy with the lowest interest rates for any economy with anything approaching a growth rate in the industrialized world.

Any move by Putin that brings them into direct conflict with Germany would be a colossal blunder in my view.

This is summertime folks. There is no need for natural gas in Ukraine...or the bulk of Western Europe...right now.

Trying to claim as Putin does "brink of Civil War" and "i'm gonna be the sherrif in this dog and pony show" i don't think is gonna go over too well over there.

Should be an interesting "four-some." The only "issue" remains the only issue since the time of Napoleon...namely "Crimea." Taking that I think is truly a blunder of historic proportions.

That says to me "Crimea" remains a "prize" both now and forever "yet again." The irony of course being that there is nothing of value on or of that place.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:42 | 4663708 nowhereman
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Hey I've been reading your shit for a long time and you are obviously a lesser human so I'll try to explain it thusly.  Germany is the industrial engine of Europe.  This engine runs on fuel, be it gas or oil.  Germany imports 1/3 of this energy from Russia.  Get it?  It doesn't matter what time of year it is, get it?  It will be harder in winter, but it doesn't matter what itme of year it is, get it?

So, educate yourself and stop being so fucking stupid.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:36 | 4663855 Spumoni
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Yeah - he should emulate you. Learn how to talk a guy through in a manner he'll respect, so that he gets your point. Education ain't worth so much when it can only talk trashmouth. See if you can figure out how to commuinicate more gently. If not, then you know, go fuck yourself.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 00:31 | 4664062 trader1
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be careful throwing around figures without referencing sources. 

Germany gets roughly 22-23 percent of its primary energy from Russia.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 05:34 | 4664309 sessinpo
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And everyone is sure this will be resolved by next winter because of what?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:39 | 4663861 CrashisOptimistic
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"Germany is the world's third largest economy"

There are all kinds of wackos on the ZH threads, but you are the most consistently factually wrong of all of them




Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:14 | 4663623 swmnguy
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I'm starting to wonder if the Kissinger/Brzezinski neo-cons running the US foreign policy show aren't trying to screw up the EU as much as they're trying to screw up Putin.  Ukraine is a basket case no matter who gets it.  The country has been looted by its corrupt elites for decades.  By overthrowing the elected government and setting up a coalition of bankster patsies and some of the most vicious actual Nazis still runninig around, it's the classic US formula.  Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan; the pattern is clear.  Recruit the most ferocious monsters in the country, put utterly corrupt, venal and weak thugs in charge, and watch the bloody chaos descend.

The Ukraine gambit is fiendishly destructive.  Since Europe has to have the NatGas, and it has to flow through Ukraine, this pits Russia against the EU, setting two potential US rivals on a collision course.  This is right out of Paul Wolfowitz's credo, and Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard."  Utterly cynical and inhumane.  Evil, even.  Kubrick was barely satirizing these people in "Dr. Stranglove."

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:01 | 4663759 Jack Burton
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Brzezinski has been recorded in print as calling for war on Eastern Ukraine, an all out military campaign to eliminate anti western peoples. Another crazed mean rabid old dog. I thought that fucking war criminal was already dead.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:35 | 4663693 Ifigenia
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Why Vitoria Nulland doesnt foot the bill of Ukranine gas by selling her cookies in Time Square?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:02 | 4663762 Jack Burton
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Isn't Nuland vactioning in Israel? In some villa on the west bank perhaps, one that Israeli built for her.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:57 | 4663744 Jack Burton
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For many decades, even under the Communist USSR, Warsaw Pact/NATO military standoff, up till today, no contract signed by Russia to deliever gas has ever not been met by Russia. Look it up, it is fact, all gas contracted for was delivered. Now if you want to cite the well know shut down a few years back, it was Ukraine who turned it off and delayed delivery. Again, if gas shuts down now it will again be Ukraine that shuts it down. Russian gas delivery to Europe has been 100% reliable. Even according to German enegy ministers.

Now, here is some information from today's actions and analysis, should you care to read it.  "

  • In a rather bizarre incident, some Ukrainian officers were told that 30 armed terrorists had seized an airport near Kramatorsk.  They landed there supported by APCs and helicopters only to find out that only civilians were present.  Rumors say that "several" to "eleven" civilians were killed in that operation.  The amazing thing is that the officers really seemed to believe that they would be fighting some kind of military force.  When they realize that this was not the case, most of the forces were evacuated and only a smaller force was left at the airport.  It is currently surrounded by civilians who are blocking all exists.
  • Same thing happened to the recon battalion of the 24th Airborne Division which was sent in to locate "terrorists".  When the saw that only civilians were present they refused to continue their mission, turned around and left.
  • A convoy of Right Sector militants disguised as pro-Russian forces (they were wearing Saint George ribbons) were stop and searched by civilians.  Soon, after some brutal interrogations the truth became obvious, the trucks full of weapons confiscated and the drivers beat up.
  • In Kiev the Right Sector has given the so-called President and his regime 24 hours to take action.  If not, they promised to overthrow him.  In other words, the small, disorganized and demoralized leftover of the Ukrainian police now might be told to put down both the Russian-speakers in the East and the Galician freaks in Kiev.
  • As for the always amazing White House, its press secretary has declared that the USA "praises" the neo-Fascist regime for its "restraint"."

"One more thing: I think that a red line has been crossed today and that now that the entire population in the eastern Ukraine has been assimilated to "terrorists" while the two main candidates to the Presidential elections have been assaulted (and one, Tsarev, charged with, I kid you not, hooliganism and sedition!) there are no more hopes for a federalized unitary Ukrainian state.  When civilians were shot today in an official and authorized army attack, which was ordered by the so-called "interim President" and which was praised by the USA for its "restraint" a qualitative change in the struggle occurred.  Short of a miracle, my personal conclusion is that Ukrainian experiment has crashed and burned.  It's over for "the Ukraine"."

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 10:10 | 4664844 joe90
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The the rest of it worth a read, a daily stop for me.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:12 | 4663791 Cortez
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Putin could sell Germany gas at the standard rate up to their average monthly usage and charge the premium rate for usage above that level (Ukraine resale usage).

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 03:39 | 4664231 Azannoth
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Merkel is a Zionist puppet, don't expect any real leadership from her.

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 08:13 | 4664510 dogismycopilot
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VLADIMIR PUTIN IS A MONEY MAKING BADASS BECAUSE THE DUDE NOT ONLY KNOWS JUDO HE KNOWS "JEW JITSU" (note, this is not an anti-semitic comment. please look up one very Jewish Mr. Ronald Sukenick who coined the phrase in his post-avant garde novel "MOSAIC MAN"). 

Putin is a mutherfucking Jew Jitsu expert. He just fucking threw Nuland, Obama and everyone else's shit at them and made them eat (hmm, yum, yum, yum).

Now Putin has the Germans working for him to sell the Ukrainians gas he was going to sell to Ukraine (at a discount and on deferred payment terms with no service interruption...remember those days) for cash on the mutherfucking barrel, full retail pop, take it up the poop chute Brussels til it hurts.

The below deal happened last month (fuck seems like last year so much has happened) - the guy is thinking 20 steps ahead of everyone....I would be curious to know what kind of covenants are in the RSE deal because now they are carrying water (gaz) for Putin.

Genius. Sheer fucking genius. Fuck, I hear he wasn't even that smart of a KGB officer.

Russian tycoon to buy RWE's oil and gas production unit

(Reuters) - German utility company RWE (RWEG.DE) is to sell its oil and gas unit DEA RWEDE.UL to investors led by Russia's second-richest man Mikhail Fridman, giving up a profitable part of its business in a bid to emerge from a deep energy industry crisis.


RWE posted its first net loss since 1949 earlier this month, hit by weak European energy demand, 30.7 billion euros in debt and a surge in renewable energy capacity that has pushed coal and gas-fired plants out of the market.


Fridman's investment vehicle LetterOne has hired investment bank Rothschild as a political advisor for the deal, sources told Reuters, an unusual move in M&A deals that becomes necessary if government approval is in doubt."

Wed, 04/16/2014 - 14:54 | 4666200 Joe A
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Germany reselling Russian gas to Ukraine. One couldn't make this up him/herself.

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