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Ukraine Launches Military Operation Against Separatists, Russian PM Says Country "Anticipating Civil War"

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Following last night's protest in front of the Kiev parliament by Maidan faithful and others who had gotten sick and tired by their government doing absolutely nothing to preserve the cohesion of the Ukraine - both west and east - this morning acting president Turchynov, realizing he is between a rock and a hard place and suddenly his position is quite precarious, finally announced that he had issued an order to the country's military to begin operations to retake government buildings seized by pro-Russia separatists in eastern areas.  Oleksandr Turchynov, also the parliament speaker, said the deployment had begun in the Donetsk region, where many of the approximately 10 towns affected by the protests are located.

FT reports:

“Overnight, an antiterrorist operation began in the north of Donetsk,” Mr Turchynov said in parliament, one day after his deadline for the demonstrators to surrender passed. “But it will be phased, responsible and balanced. The purpose of the actions, I stress once again, is to protect the citizens of Ukraine.”

 

Hours later Ihor Dyomin, a Donetsk region interior ministry spokesman, said that pro-Russia protesters who seized a police building in the town of Kramatorsk earlier this week had left voluntarily. It is not clear how many protesters there were or if they were armed.

 

Video posted on the internet on Tuesday morning showed pro-Russian activists blocking a Ukrainian army tank on the outskirts of Slavyansk, one of the cities and towns where law enforcement and regional government buildings had been seized by pro-Russian separatists.

 

Nela Stepa, mayor of the city where at the weekend separatists seized a regional law enforcement building, appeared on television saying that armed men dressed in camouflage “that don’t hide that they are from Crimea . . . from Russia” had also seized the city council building.

 

“I don’t know who or what this is,” she said in reference to a new mayor the grouping claims to have appointed for the city.

 

Kiev has also said it is open to dialogue with pro-Russia groups in the east, a move Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, said on Tuesday was “certainly a step in the right direction, albeit very belated”.

It remains to be seen if Russia's response is also phased, responsible and balanced. For now, all signs point to no:

Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s prime minister, was much more pessimistic, responding on his Facebook page to the deaths of two people in Slavyansk on Sunday.

 

Blood has once again been spilled in Ukraine,” he wrote. “The country is anticipating civil war.”

To be sure, Ukraine is sticking to its narrative, most likely dictated to its by CIA director Brennan who as it was revealed "secretly" visited Kiev over the weekend, which is that it is all Russia's fault for destabilizing the region:

Kiev’s SBU state security service said on Tuesday it had identified a Russian special forces officer, Ihor Stryelkov, as leader of a “diversion group which is terrorising the local population, seizing administrative buildings and destabilising the social-political situation in eastern regions of Ukraine”.

 

Pro-Russia separatists detained by the SBU in recent days “recognised” Mr Stryelkov’s voice, the SBU claimed, as the person “giving them instructions to seize administrative buildings in Kharkiv”, the largest city in eastern Ukraine.

 

Mr Stryelkov, according to the SBU, arrived in Crimea last month to co-ordinate “the activities of Russian military personnel and special forces there seizing Ukrainian armed services posts there and regional government”.

Still, the day following Putin's explicit and latest warning to Obama that only he can now stop bloodshed in Ukraine, we can't help but feel that the situation in east Ukraine is about to truly spiral out of control... which of course should send stocks soaring in this bizarro, centrally-planned world in which nothing makes sense any more.

 

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Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:01 | 4659993 jubber
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so Gold & Silver pulvarised?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:03 | 4659996 kliguy38
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hehehehe...........perfect.........physical buy today for me......hope they crush it.......paper short it to death......hehehehehehe blood moon offering for the lizards.........

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:08 | 4660012 negative rates
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Holy Holiday Batman.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:24 | 4660068 GetZeeGold
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Russian PM deliciously anticipating civil war.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:33 | 4660104 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, so is Halliburton...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:36 | 4660118 GetZeeGold
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Next quarters profits are looking up! For just about everyone....except Ukraine.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:43 | 4660148 BurningFuld
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This excitment keeps up and Dick Cheney is going to need another heart.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:52 | 4660193 Squiddly Diddly
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Blood pump, he has no heart.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:59 | 4660210 BaBaBouy
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ALL Together Now... CIA CIA CIA, Rah Rah...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:02 | 4660240 GetZeeGold
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Send Anna Chapman back...we'll cut a deal right now.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:18 | 4660315 Joe Davola
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Come on, someone go Japan at the League of Nations and walk out of the UN so that house of cards can finally fall.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:29 | 4660335 SamAdams
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And again, we have a Khazar so-called Jew (member of the cult, not the race, get it?), sitting at the seat of corruption and overseeing genocide, apartheid and theft.  Oh well, don't call attention to the truth.  You will be labeled an anti-semite (which basically means anti-shem, or anti race of shem, a bloodline which these people are not). 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:29 | 4660359 MeMongo
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I honestly can't stand Cheney, but I think it would be acceptable if it were harvested from Jonathan Pollard! It most definitely would not be rejected:-)

Birds of a feather!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:48 | 4660169 exi1ed0ne
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Well, one thing is for certain.  Our grandchildren will most definately cheer the decisions we make today while toiling in the slave pits to pay it off.

/sarc

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:52 | 4660190 GetZeeGold
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Thanks for throwing the /sarc in there. That's a big relief.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:52 | 4660192 samcontrol
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so i have asked this question a dozen times without a satisfying answer ..

IF you have NO access to buying physicall gold and silver..

would you ?

Buy SPrott funds PSLV , PHYS ?

Buy miners ?

goldvault.com ?

Buy another house?

say fuck it and buy 2016 AGQ options?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:56 | 4660214 BlackSwanCrash
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none of the above

CORRECT ANSWER: GET access to buy phys!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:21 | 4660326 Arius
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Buy something ... it is really the problem ... how about not buying anything

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:24 | 4660341 gmrpeabody
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CEF, miners, and Sprott.....

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:19 | 4660318 Blano
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Unless you live at the North or South pole, you have access.  It's easy.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:23 | 4660336 tradingdaze
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Bought CEF.A on the TSX. Canada you say. 

Bullion stored in Canadian banks on a unencumbered, allocated and segregated basis. 

The only one with access is apparently Jon Corzine. yuk yuk

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:27 | 4660353 TheMeatTrapper
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@samcontrol:

I own physical silver and add to it regularly; but I also have the means to provide most of my food. 

If you have no way to accumulate physical precious metals (even such as gold and silver jewelry, etc) I would focus on becoming as self sufficient and insulated from the system as possible. Being able to generate your own food and power is a measure of independence that will be very valuable one day - perhaps more valuable than silver. 

Learn To Trap Your Food

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:52 | 4660495 El Diablo Rojo
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You have access to the internet samcontol....  you have access to physical.  I have purchased from Northwest Territorial Mint, and there are others too.  Just be prepared for a long wait.  8-12 weeks out.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:08 | 4660621 swmnguy
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If you can post here, you have access to buying phyzz.  Online PM dealers are like cell phone or cable companies; everybody has a beef with every one, but most are serviceable enough.  There are no "screaming deals" on phyzz.  But most deals are fair.  Depending on your location, there will be an LCS (Local Coin Shop), or pawn shop or somebody who will sell you phyzz if you walk in with cash.  Online, you can use credit cards, personal check, cashier's check, or other means of exchange depending on the site.  The only way you wouldn't be able to do that is if you're incarcerated, I'd think.  In that case, you have other issues.  And if you can buy any of the other things on your list, you can buy phyzz.  I won't recommend any web dealers because everybody loves one or hates one and I don't want to get into that.

There are reaasons pro and con every option on your list, but none of them fills the role of buying actual phyzz that you bury in a coffee can in your garden, or lose in the proverbial unfortunate boating accident, or what-have-you.  I could tell you where I keep mine, but then...you know.

Paper gold, or schemes where supposedly there's a coin with your name on it in some vault somewhere; well, do a web search on "MFGlobal" and you should get the idea.  PM-related stocks are not PM's.  Options are, well, options.  They're priced the way they are due to risk, just the way Super Bowl odds are balanced.  The miners etc. are a very volatile sector and don't track PM prices; they track the market's demand for shares of highly speculative companies.  None of these is at all the same as having a hunk of metal sitting inertly holding value.

It's as easy as buying porn.  And who the hell would buy paper porn, or porn options, or porn stocks, when you just buy teh pron?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:52 | 4660138 SheepDog-One
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Hard to believe a simple fully explained earth shadow is still considered some kind of magical event, no wonder the world is so screwed up, it's ran by superstitious lunatics!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:10 | 4660273 earnyermoney
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Well, blood moons are fairly common but today's blood moon will be followed by 6 full moons then a 2nd blood moon on the Feast of Tabernacles followed by 6 full moons then a 3rd blood moon marking Passover next year followed by 6 full moons with the 4th blood moon falling on the Feast of Tabernacles next year.

That sequence on those days is not common. The last 3 times were 1492, 1948 and 1967. The last 2 years were significant events in modern Israel's history. You can be skeptical, but I think the coming year is going to be very troublesome for the world and the United States in particular.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:42 | 4660430 john39
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and a cardinal grand cross later this week.  astrology has always been a big part of the mystery schools, the secret teachings by those in power and with power.  who also managed to convince the masses that its all a bunch of silly superstition...    who is right?  well, who is currently in power...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:28 | 4660357 chapaev's ghost
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Lunatics... that would explain it.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:01 | 4659994 negative rates
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Must be the full moon.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:03 | 4659998 esum
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take the fight to moscow..... it is ripe for a revolution...

people dont like putin and would love the means and opportunity to take him down... 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:08 | 4660009 blabam
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Yeah good look with that one... when are you leaving? 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:14 | 4660025 NoDebt
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Didn't I see an article on here recently about Putin's approval rating being over 70% in Russia?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:28 | 4660081 GetZeeGold
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Really surprised it wasn't 100%. Who doesn't love a shirtless Vald?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:48 | 4660166 Snidley Whipsnae
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Putin's approval rating = ~ 70%

US congress approval  = 15% (gallup poll) tied with all time low

Obama's approval      =  44% (gallup poll)

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:57 | 4660217 BeansMcGreens
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"Obama's approval      44% (gallop poll)"

 

But some of the polled were counted twice, even if they were dead.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:11 | 4660283 Snidley Whipsnae
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They rig all the markets... Why would they not rig polls? 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:49 | 4660470 Patriot Eke
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Yes, polls are as useless as voting.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:26 | 4660347 Squid Viscous
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about the same as % of US households taking some form of gov't assistance... hmmm

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:17 | 4660312 123dobryden
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i says more about the way information is distributed and grip on power in a country rather as of particular persons iinvolved.

 

in my country, PM got 80% approval, within years majority of state assets was in hand of his party loyals, he finaly was forced out in an election after 8 years of plunder then we got recession much worse then current one, unemployment hit way over 20%...

 

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:11 | 4660018 Ralph Spoilsport
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Bullshit. Putin is popular in Moscow and most of Russia.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:13 | 4660019 sondernauch
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As far as I can tell, more Americans trust Putin than trust Obama and his neocon crazies. And there are wayyy more Russians who trust Putin than there are Americans who trust Obama. Putin definitely has the upper hand just now.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:14 | 4660023 Billy Sol Estes
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No one should like either them actually...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:18 | 4660041 Infinite QE
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Precisely. Putin would win an election in America hands down. The New Bolshevk neocon zionists hate Putin because he knows the truth of who and what they are and has galvanized his population against their desire to murder 100's of millions more.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:58 | 4660226 Canucklehead
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Do you really think Putin is any different from those you call "New Bolshevk neocon zionists"? Putin has 70-100 BILLION hidden away in various global financial systems. His financial "advisors" are some of the same people you call "New Bolshevk neocon zionists".

Putin maintains relations with many world leaders, many of whom are people you call "New Bolshevk neocon zionists". The simple fact is that you need a certain amount of intelligence and compensatory ruthlessness to travel in those circles. (As an example, look at Harry Reid.)

All that is happening here is a card game. The people of the Ukraine are poker chips being moved around the table. The reason the people of the Ukraine are poker chips is because they chose to be poker chips. Rather than doing the right thing and building their future in a responsible manner, they want simple solutions. The Ukrainian people do not mind their leaders stealing vast amounts of wealth from them. They only want "collective social security".

Putin is being probed to determine at what sized bet will he fold his hand. As long as these movements escalate slowly and deliberately, Putin's hands are tied... to a point.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:17 | 4660313 Snidley Whipsnae
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" The reason the people of the Ukraine are poker chips is because they chose to be poker chips."

They are poker chips because they are mostly average people with average ambitions, average intelligence and desires, not power mad psychotics.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:56 | 4660539 Canucklehead
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They are poker chips because in many ways, they are old school... similar to the movie "Fiddler on the Roof". They only want to be left alone and enjoy the simple pleasures of life.

There are times when you need to stick your neck out and look to the future. This is one of those times.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:23 | 4660338 MountainsRoam
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You sure know a lot about The Ukrainian people and what they want?? the fucked up thing is everything you said about the Ukrainian people could be said about the American people also..

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:30 | 4660363 Snidley Whipsnae
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"the fucked up thing is everything you said about the Ukrainian people could be said about the American people also.."

That is because human nature is the same everywhere... there is nothing 'fucked up' about it... It's the way the world is... and always has been.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:24 | 4660721 Volkodav
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Stupid post. You know nothing about this subject.

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:08 | 4661417 Infinite QE
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Drunk already? Been here 16 weeks. Wow. How much of the Ukrainian fund is paid to trolls such as yourself? $5/hour?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:37 | 4660799 Infinite QE
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Ulitmately, who knows what Putin has. Maybe he has 4 trillion in gold stored on Mars and takes the black-budget space vehicles there every weekend to view it.

All I can say from the research I've done over the past 20 years and watching the actions that he is taking is that America is becoming the Bolshevik Soviet Union and Russia is making attempts to become what America once was. Putin is making efforts to roust the Bolshevik oligarchs. Check. Putin wants the Bolshevik entity Monsatan out of his country. Check. Putin wants to stop the gay-mafia that is run out of Hollyweird from disrupting the family values. Check. Putin is making efforts to restore religious spirituality to his country. Check.

Now compare that check list to what the Bolshevik bus driver Obama is doing. Free reign to the Bolshevik Wall Street oligarchs. Check. Putting Monsatan execs in charge of the FDA. Check. An openly bi-sexual, crack smoking, CIA created freak in the White House. Check. Obama's spirituality? Cannot even find words to the satanic shit that this guy is fronting.

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:29 | 4660088 Kaiser Sousa
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"take the fight to moscow..... it is ripe for a revolution..."

stupid is what stupid says...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:40 | 4660142 GetZeeGold
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Yeah.....propaganda is not for beginners.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:50 | 4660144 SheepDog-One
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Look out for Russia, remember in WW2 they had no problem losing some 50 million casualties. Putin won't run home cryin if he chips a nail like manicure boy Obama and his leutenants.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:32 | 4660372 chapaev's ghost
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Cliven Bundy supporters are like Donestsk Russians.

Cliven Bundy supporters are like CIA-sponsored Maidan useful idiots

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:05 | 4660002 Squid Viscous
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Bullish! (apparently)

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:07 | 4660004 intric8
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And just what will they label the huge population of Ukraine citizens who see the nonsense going on and want no part of the west? Insurgents? Communists? Russian sympathizers?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:29 | 4660086 Zwelgje
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Terrorists. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:52 | 4660184 Savvy
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Terrorists of course. It's right there in the FT link.

 

Be a riot to see the army turn on the junta.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:06 | 4660005 stateside
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Gold dropped from $1,580 to $1,380 in a few days from April 13-15 last year.  The US Govt would like to remind it's citizens that once again it is time to sell your gold to pay your 2013 taxes.  Please sell early and often.

 

Regards, 

Uncle Sam

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:34 | 4660100 Kaiser Sousa
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aint gonna happen over here...This MoneyChanger controlled government has no clue as to how dedicated my resistance has become...

killing them softly by removing from their debt based currency and system...

KEEP BUYING SILVER...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:07 | 4660008 RSDallas
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You see folks the governments of the US and Russia are both playiing a game chess.  Trying to shape the outcome of this planned event.  What a shame, it really is a chess game and one day you could be one of the pawn's.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:45 | 4660157 SheepDog-One
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Russia plays chess, U.S. eats the checkers.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:09 | 4660010 Billy Sol Estes
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Go Euro Union! You Can Do it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjqrxfvJ0A

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:49 | 4660172 intric8
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Fucking clown shoes

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:17 | 4660017 JustObserving
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You know things are serious when the CIA director travels to Ukraine under a fictitious name:

 

CIA director in Ukraine as Washington steps up threats against Russia


By Mike Head 
15 April 2014


Seizing upon spreading protests and building occupations in eastern Ukraine in response to February’s Western-backed putsch in Kiev, the Obama administration is escalating its accusations, threats and provocations against Russia.

In the clearest sign of intensifying US involvement in the Ukraine crisis, the White House admitted—after vehement denials—that CIA Director John Brennan flew into Kiev over the weekend. Brennan arrived, under a false name, for discussions on how to further exploit the crisis that the US and its allies deliberately triggered by orchestrating the February coup.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov demanded an explanation about the nature of the undercover visit, and deposed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych accused Brennan of ordering a crackdown on protests in the east of the country.

The CIA initially ridiculed these accusations as “completely false.” Yesterday, however, White House spokesman Jay Carney declared: “We don’t normally comment on the CIA director’s travel, but given the extraordinary circumstances in this case and the false claims being leveled by the Russians at the CIA, we can confirm that the director was in Kiev as part of a trip to Europe.”

Ludicrously, Carney told reporters that “senior level visits of intelligence officials are a standard means of fostering mutually beneficial security cooperation, including US-Russian intelligence collaboration.” He added that “to imply that US officials meeting with their counterparts is anything other than in the same spirit is absurd.”

To claim that Brennan’s surreptitious presence in Ukraine was innocent and intended to foster security cooperation with Russia is obviously fatuous. The CIA has a documented record of orchestrating coups, plots and assassinations around the world, including in Indonesia in 1965–66 and Chile in 1973.

Brennan, nominated by Obama to take over as CIA chief after Obama’s 2012 re-election, is known for his close involvement in the US occupation of Iraq, the CIA’s use of torture against detainees, and US drone assassinations, including of American citizens. He is currently embroiled in a scandal over CIA spying on staff members of a US Senate committee reviewing the agency’s program of detention and “enhanced interrogation” under President George W. Bush.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/15/ukra-a15.html

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:38 | 4660130 RSloane
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The CIA is only there to help, thus sayeth the administration!!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:00 | 4660232 Squiddly Diddly
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I have no confidence in anything this administration says.  Ditto for Bush Clinton.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:36 | 4660402 ross81
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Loved this story as it proves yet again that Western diplomats, intel & their local Ukie goosestepping proxies can't do anything without Russia knowing about it.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:36 | 4660029 Ralph Spoilsport
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Here's an example of Ukranian armament. A tank that has a transmission from an old Studebaker that ran away from some Russian speakers and a Lada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KuNWM9Zqk

Translation from YouTube commentor:

"Tank rides in Slavyansk. People stop him. "Turn off the engine," "you're going to shoot anybody? Why'd gun raised?" "get out of the tank," "what is your mission?" "You want our guys in Slavyansk to shoot?" "Do not touch him"
Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:17 | 4660681 Volkodav
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Lada Niva!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:16 | 4660030 Smegley Wanxalot
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"This is all global warming's fault." - John Kerry

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:44 | 4660145 GetZeeGold
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It's hot in Ukraine....damn hot! All the polar bears are dieing.

 

If only we had a global tax credit system.....none of this would be happening.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:19 | 4660043 A_Nejad
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What EVERY Western Z media forget is this: Russians know Ukrainian military inside out....and i mean REALLY in and out, from their top militaries to their favorit hookers down town Kiev....there'll be desertionson from the Ukrainian side, the word on the street says.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:40 | 4660140 MarkAntony
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Right, however, this is not about the Ukrainian military, is it...  Its about the new "volunteer" Home Guard. Their fanaticism will determine the bloodshed level of this conflict.

From my own sources in the Volyn and Lviv  region, they are dead set to counter any Russian intrusion with absolute resolve.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:22 | 4660331 Snidley Whipsnae
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"From my own sources in the Volyn and Lviv  region, they are dead set to counter any Russian intrusion with absolute resolve."

Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face... Mike Tyson

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:09 | 4661020 HamRove
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"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face"... Mike Tyson

ROFL!

I don't know if he actually said it, but it fits perfectly in the situation at hand.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:20 | 4660049 shovelhead
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CIA sez:

Get off your ass and start the shootin'...

We gotta drop this all on Putin.

Fill up lots of bodybags...

Cuz he made us look like fags.

Sure your image will get bent...

But don't forget who pays your rent.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:29 | 4660091 new game
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this morning acting president Turchynov, realizing he is between a rock and a hard place and suddenly his position is quite precarious, finally announced that he had issued an order to:send your son to get killed,

while i sit back and bask in billions, be a puppet on a string and open the doors for corporate and banker exploitation of any and all resources at your expense. your expense is your labor and freedoms...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:24 | 4660065 YHC-FTSE
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Pretty sure there's an international convention or charter against using military force against civilians,  but since they are "our"  US state dept sponsored neo nazis & zionists supported by the CIA, everything is hunky dory. Right? 

Allowing this to happen shows without doubt that the people behind this, in the EU and US, are a collection of monstrous human filth. We should have been helping Russia to put these Kiev thugs down from the very beginning,  especially those of us who live in the EU, yet the insanity continues when the consequences are clear for anyone to see. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:54 | 4660502 forwardho
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.gov can bypass that "convention" with the stroke of a pen.

Cilvilians become "terrorists"

Terrorists are neither afforded nor given any protection under any Law.

Check out our own NDAA and then look up the term "belligerent" same results with an even looser definition.

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:20 | 4660702 sushi
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If two countries engage in military conflict then the "laws of war" (cough, cough) inhibit military force being used against non-combatants. Some collateral damage is accepted.

There are few prohibitions against a country using military force against its own citizens for the purposes of suppressing revolt or insurrection.

In China we had "Tank Man" and he was celebrated in the west as a Hero.

In Ukraine we turn around and celebrate the tanks.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:25 | 4660073 Reptil
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It has yet to be seen if these troops don't go AWOL, or join the other side.
I posted a video of Ukranian troops handing out weapons to seperatists.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:27 | 4660082 BeansMcGreens
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Reptil:

Beat me to it by one minute.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:26 | 4660079 BeansMcGreens
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Watch for the Ukrainian Tankers go over to the Pro-Russian side in great numbers, taking their tanks and other equipment with them. Self-preservation Rules.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:27 | 4660742 sushi
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In the Russian military you can start collecting your pension at age 40. In the Ukraine you must wait until you are 60. The Russian pensions and pay structure are roughly twice the Ukrainian equivalents. Plus there is some public awareness that Russia is solvent and Ukraine is not.

I think capitalism and self-interest rules and there will be widespread defections. Russia is more than happy to hand out new passports to all applicants. PLus if you switch side you can then sell your T-54 for its scrap value.

Of course Brennan, Kerry and Obummer will propogandize this outcome as being due to devilish intervention on the parrt of Putin. Capitalism is not well understood in today's USSA.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:29 | 4660087 Tracerfan
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I don't expect Russia to sit back and watch while US-commanded neo-Nazis slaughter pro-Russian Ukrainian citizens in East Ukraine. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:31 | 4660098 carlnpa
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Which country benefits the most from this game in Ukraine?

 

I believe the answer is China.

 

It is ironic that US and Russia need each other to contain China.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:40 | 4660139 Fiat Envy
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I'm guessing any two on one will be Russia and China working against the US.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:48 | 4660167 geno-econ
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I believe the answer is Israel and Petrodollar

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:49 | 4660170 SheepDog-One
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That's why Russia and China are working on their own trade deals?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:08 | 4660264 carlnpa
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Russia and China are working on their own trade deals because the US has abused its role as Reserve Currency gate keeper.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:33 | 4660778 sushi
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The USSA has created a world in which if you fart you are going to be made subject to sanctions, prohibitions, exclusions, and Orwellian Propoganda. No business can be transacted under such conditions.

Nuland was right. FUCK THE EU. She left out FUCK THE USSA.

If you want to do business you need your own SWIFT, your own trade currency, your own IMF and World Bank, and counterparty arrangements that are not subject to the whim of the latest white house dumbo.

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:09 | 4660633 StupidEarthlings
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+1

It seems more like china and Russia do NOT need/ want the US..or its funny money anymore. They'll most likley let it go for as long as it can preparing for the future. .and when its over..its over.

There was a time when china neede US..but those days are gone..us is causing more harm than good to china at this point.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:33 | 4660105 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Putin needs to step up the insurrection in order to prevent democratic elections being held in Ukraine on May 25th.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:43 | 4660150 MarkAntony
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EXACTLY RIGHT! If the east regions vote in the presidential election they will legitimize the current government and the revolution - and vote they must to counter the pro west candidates. Any move Putin makes must be before May elections.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:00 | 4660229 Debugas
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Putin does not have to make any moves

he can simply cut gas supplies and wait till Ukraine pays the bills to reopen the flow

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:14 | 4660280 carlnpa
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Russia could false flag damaging gas pipelines, EU would demand stability in Ukraine and endorse subsequent actions.  Ukraine may do it themselves to draw EU/US into region.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:49 | 4660878 gcjohns1971
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You are right.  They could damage the pipelines.

But it really doesn't even have to be Ukrainians behind it, even if it is thugs like 'Right Sector' who do it.  There will be Gulf States  - who want to expand their energy supply to Europe - or Western European States, who what to have an alternative to Russian energy dominance- who will be more than happy to pay anyone to do anything necessary to get their way.

Once there is enough chaos, and Ukraine is in open civil war, they will then offer peacekeeping troops - who will coincidentally pursue their interests.

This is only happening to Ukraine, because it already happened to EVERY OTHER ALTERNATIVE for getting energy to Europe FIRST.

Russia is not different here.  Russia is also interfering. 

That is the problem those with the biggest influences in the Ukraine (EAST AND WEST) are not Ukrainians.  The biggest influences are Ukraine's neighbors to the East, and neighbors to the West - and Ukraine is caught between them.

Russia needs to simply allow its competitors to use Ukrainian pipelines - or let them build their own pipelines through Abkhasia or Syria or Libya, or Tunisia.  That it refuses to do so is why everyone is forced to interfere in Ukraine.

Just look at the pipeline map!!!!  IT IS A MAP OF REVOLUTIONS, FALSE FLAGS, AND INVASIONS.

If Russia fails to allow alternative supply to Europe - no matter what happens to the US, no matter what happens to NATO - there will end up a world war.

Does it really matter if the war with Russia calls itself NATO? Is it different if it calls itself the Fourth Riech? Or the EU?

Europe wants to have alternate energy suppliers, and have shown they are willing to go to war over it.  That's not going to change no matter what happens to the US, NATO, or anything else.

MEANWHILE Putin is the one who has been preventing them from getting that alternate supplier - because GAZPROM and LUKOIL are the ones who put him in power - and they don't want anyone selling energy to Europe but them, if they can prevent it.

Every alternatve way for energy to get to Europe is either blocked by a Russian ally at Russia's direction, or is outright invaded by Russia.  EVERY. LAST. ONE.

There will be a war because no one is willing to surrender a little of what they want.

Russia wants to prevent energy competitors. Europe wants energy alternatives.  It is as simple as that.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:01 | 4660236 TPTB_r_TBTF
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. "EXACTLY RIGHT!"  The Russian Minority will force the fate of Ukraine.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:32 | 4660352 Mine Is Bigger
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If a democratic nationwide election is held, the Kiev regime won't get enough seats to govern.  That's why they are not going for a parliamentary election and only electing the president, whose power was weakened after the coup.  If the western Ukraine had the number, Yanukovych wouldn't have been elected, and they wouldn't have to resort to a coup.  

Still, voting and defeating the current regime seems to be a much better way for the eastern Ukraine than boycotting the process and resorting to violence.  Because once they start fighting, it could easily turn into a civil war, given how things are in Ukraine.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:23 | 4660717 gcjohns1971
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Putin will escalate the insurrection in the East.  In the slavic world he is winning the propaganda war.

Europe will respond by asking for UN troops to ensure the validity of the elections.

Those troops will be from the countries who want non-Russian gas to be delivered through Ukraine.  They will all be troops from Europe  - who want an alternative energy provider to Russia - or from the Gulf and North African natios - who want to be the ones providing the alternative.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:36 | 4660117 Son of Captain Nemo
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Let's just face the facts that we are a wholly owned subsidiary to some evil motherfuckers!

As long as we continue to look the other way we got what is coming to us with that statement!!!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:39 | 4660128 new game
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anybody looking for a silver lining; this is going to be the beginning of the end of the bulley pulpit ruler. its weakness is the dollar and debt. it can be dismantled fast and furious. everything i am observings says that is where this goes...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:43 | 4660147 the not so migh...
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satan worshippers love slavics killing eatch other

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:52 | 4660156 tony wilson
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peepulls of kiev

folks of freedonia regions.

your gold is gone for a vacation in tel aviv,london and new york.

that is not important.

king rat yats the yid yesterday said he will bury any russians that stand in his way

and he will.

the deal has been signed the imf monies already in swiss accounts.

all you have to do is go home and wait for are blackwater friends at the cia to send around the rape squads.

society has failed

the family unit must be broken.

break it down and build satan up stronger that is the saturn jewish way.

lovers of freedumb

freedom for cock and cock church gay weddings is the new way.

george soros funding for transgender reassignment.

your soils are old fashioned and organic needing cow shit for feeding this is backward.

peeples of the new country your old ways are dead and buried.

monsantonites of chevronistan rejoice and put down your weapons for your yiddish king rat

yats

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:22 | 4660332 Blano
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You really should lay off the acid once in a while.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:39 | 4660824 tony wilson
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blah blah

blano

raped any kids lately mason

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:58 | 4660200 Debugas
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lets get the facts straight.

the illegitimate government that has come to power by a military coup d'etat is now ordering the military forces to fight civil population

 

P.S.

Yanukovich is still a legitimate president because impeachment requires 75% of parliament to vote for it and there was only 73% when impeachment was attempted

Use of military force against civilians requires similar voting in parliament which had not even taken place

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:44 | 4660446 Jack4952
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You forgot that when the Ukraine parliament voted, many parliament members had been removed from office by the Right-Sector and Svoboda thugs. Further, during the actual vote, armed men stood in the chamber near the parliament members to ensure that they voted "correctly". The impeachment vote was taken literally at the "point of a gun". Unreported in the Western media (but in the news here in Ukraine) is the fact that several parliament members who opposed the impeachment vote had their homes in Kiev burned down prior to and after the vote.

THIS is the so-called "democracy" the EU and U.S. governments are supporting: created by a violent coup and ruled by the gun!


Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:18 | 4660658 gcjohns1971
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This is all noise and has nothing to do with anything.

 

Yanukovich was never more than a Russian puppet anyway, and his election was assured in the old Stalinist way - by poisoning the opposition and controlling those who count the votes. 

The 'government' is still all the same people as under Yanukovich.  They're just keeping seats warm until elections can be held.

Ukrainians are tired of being treated like Russian slaves in their own country.  That this disregard for their self determination continues will further provoke problems no matter who wins - will CREATE more 'Right Sectors' and so on. 

No one thinks that the Ukrainian government really has any say in anything.  The Russian dominated provinces do what they want, and Ukraine be damned. And the Ukrainian dominated regions must do as Russia wants, and only as Russia wants - or they are like gypsys in their own country "Ukraine" by name - but otherwise Russia.  Who would like that?

The point is that this is the setting, and not the reason for conflict.

WHY does the US or EU or Russia give a crap about who wins an election in Ukraine? GAS, OIL and pipelines to carry them, that's why.  That's the CAUSE of the conflict.   The rest of the injustices you list are simply how outsiders have been interfering so as to get what they want regardless of what Ukraine and Ukrainians want.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 08:55 | 4660201 q99x2
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Impeach Obama and the Globalists.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:09 | 4660227 GetZeeGold
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You do realize that would be just about everyone.....right?

 

The republicans would just about be wiped out.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:28 | 4660277 22winmag
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Impeachment would catapult shit-for-brains into the Oval Office.

 

I'd much rather see the U.S. military do what the Egyptian military did and kick out the Muslim Brotherhood.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:36 | 4660375 Jack4952
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Screw impeachment and prosecutions!  They will NEVER happen.

Someone should just shoot the bastards!

Jamie Dimon should be the first to go.

Then Lloyd Blankfein.

Then Janet Yellen, Timothy Geithner, Hank Paulson, Bernard Bernanke and so on ...

Then the federal politicians - all of them, regardless of party.

 

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:14 | 4660295 Youri Carma
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Paul Craig Roberts: In my opinion, Washington does not want the Ukraine matters settled in a diplomatic and reasonable way. It might be the case that Russia’s best move is immediately to occupy the Russian territories of Ukraine and re-absorb the territories into Russia from whence they came. This should be done before the US and its NATO puppets are prepared for war. It is more difficult for Washington to start a war when the objects of the war have already been lost. Russia will be demonized with endless propaganda from Washington whether or not Russia re-absorbs its traditional territories. If Russia allows these territories to be suppressed by Washington, the prestige and authority of the Russian government will collapse. Perhaps that is what Washington is counting on.

FROM: Washington Drives The World To War — Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/04/14/washington-drives-world-war-paul-craig-roberts/

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:57 | 4660541 Savvy
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Aye. Putin bounced Georgia out of S Ossetia in less than two days. NATO got what they came for from Ukraine (gold and debt slavery), what they really want is to go after Iran.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:05 | 4660608 gcjohns1971
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They want energy to Europe.

Putin wants a monopoly.

The two desires conflict.

If NATO dissolves entirely, The two contrary desires will still exist and will still conflict.

NEXT UP:

UN PEACEKEEPING FORCE TO ENSURE VALIDITY OF ELECTIONS

The peacekeeping force will be made up of troops from the countries who want alternate energy provider's to be able to use Ukrainian gas pipelines.

This has likely already been organized.  The events in the rest of Eastern Ukraine will be the pretext to propose that parties be separated by the UN.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:59 | 4660567 gcjohns1971
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Roberts is right.

But...

Putin really doesn't want it to de-escalate either.  He wants the Gas transport assets and junctions that are in Eastern Ukraine.  He needs as much chaos as possible in those areas as justification.

HOWEVER,

The view that the US is in charge, and the NATO countries are puppets stopped being true with the advent of the EU.   There are more than two power players on this stage.

Here's what a few of them want:

GERMANY:  Wants multple guaranteed energy suppliers.  They don't want to be where they were at the end of WWII - making gas from coal.  Germany is deeply involved in this in their own right, totally separate from NATO concerns.  If anything, the motivation of other NATO countries to try and guarantee energy to Germany is the attempt to maintain the alliance.  If the alliance can't ensure energy to Germany, then what good is it?  Germany will need to re-arm in order to look after its own affairs.

US & UK:  The 'NATO Block' is no longer a block and hasn't been for a long time, if ever.  It is now divided into different coalitions of trust and position, that have a striking correlation with regionalism, language, and culture - Anglos -Five Eyes - are the privileged block.  Coordination is much looser with Western and Central European countries - Germany, France, Italy, Spain.  The US is in a REACTIONARY mode to their issues, not the driver's seat, and the viability of the alliance stands on US & UK's  ability to deliver and address the European heartland's issues.

GULF STATES:   SA is angry that the US is producing more energy - acting like a competitor - rather than a patron.  SA and the GULF STATES want an expanded market for their product or they will be forced from the US orbit.  That Market is Germany.  But all the possible routes to get the product there cross Russian allies' territory - who will not allow it - places like Egypt, Syria and the Ukraine.  Without the Gulf States the PetroDollar is toast.

RUSSIA:  Russia wants to be the strongman of Europe held in position by a near energy monopoly.  Pipelines crossing the MED are significantly more expensive, and significantly less viable than land routes.  Russia had the routes  and pipelines - predominantly through the Ukraine - and must do all that is necessary to keep them, or surrender their position and be 'just annother' provider.

So... No.  No one can afford to settle peacefully.  No one wants to.   And the further the media narrative departs from this energy line, with regard to the geopolitical drivers, the more it delves into fantasy.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:30 | 4661160 813kml
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Interesting points, but I disagree on a few.  Putin wants the situation to de-escalate because chaos is bad for business.  He already has enough justification to move in and secure areas of eastern Ukraine, but would be smart to at least try to go through proper UN channels first.

GERMANY:  Germany just wants to have at least one guaranteed energy supplier.  From what I've read, Germany and Russia have a good relationship.  Both countries are rational and pragmatic and want good business without unnecessary headaches, and right now the US is a major migraine.  WWII is still fresh in German minds, they will not be arming themselves unless things get really crazy.  They could tell US military to get the fuck out of their country if it doesn't start acting sanely.

US & UK:  You are right that NATO is on shaky ground, at some point soon members might have to choose sides.  Or try to play both sides by staying neutral.  The fates of the US & UK are intertwined, both are destined to go down with the ship depending on what course they chart.

GULF STATES:  US will never be a competitor to the ME, LNG exports to Europe are a stopgap until a pipeline or closer LNG facilities can get built.  That might never happen since they are trying to build on quicksand.  Gulf states will not be forced from US orbit until their pumps run dry, the US petrodollar needs them now more than ever.

RUSSIA:  I don't know if Russia wants to be the strongman of Europe, but they are not going to be pushed around.  You're right that pipelines crossing the Med are significantly more expensive, and significantly less viable than land routes.  The most viable approach would be LNG terminals in Israel, but that creates a million more problems.  I'm not sure that Russia is concerned about being 'just another provider', we're not talking cell phone companies.  There are limited suppliers and energy will always find a market, Russia is most concerned about price manipulations via the petrodollar.

I don't think that the US can afford to settle peacefully unless its demands become realistic.  The media rarely reports the full story, and most of its viewers/readers probably wouldn't understand anyway.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:23 | 4660718 813kml
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I always enjoy Dr. Roberts' articles, he doesn't waste time getting straight the point.  I would love to see him as Prez, but he is far too intelligent to get sucked into public office again.  His southern twang reminds me of Jimmy Carter.

So glad that he decided to unretire, but I expect that he will drop dead from stress sometime very soon.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:41 | 4660827 StupidEarthlings
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Stress from his nailgun Injuries. 

;)

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:57 | 4660927 Chuck Knoblauch
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DC doesn't want peace. They never did.

If they wanted peace, they wouldn't have destabilized Ukraine in the first place.

DC wants to paint Putin as the monster. DC is the monster.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:17 | 4661086 gcjohns1971
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All of them, to include Putin, are monsters.

This is, however, beside the point.

LUKOIL and GASPROM want energy monopolies to Europe - or as close as they can get to it.  They are Putin's supporters.  He will do what they want.  Russia is willing to go to war for this.

Europe wants energy alternatives. 

European companies tried to extend the BAKU CENTRAL ASIAN pipeline and add gas pipelines through Abkhasia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan to Ukraine.   And they got an invasion of Georgia and South Ossetia, and the gas shut off to Europe for the better part of a month.

So.. next they tried to build a pipeline from equatorial aftrica - and were blocked by Putin allies, Libya, Tunisia, and a deterioration in Algeria.

So, then they tried to build a pipeline from the Gulf States, with only a tiny portion of the pipeline going through Syria.  Syria - at Russia's direction - said no. 

Finally, everyone is back to the Ukraine.

Obviously, Europe is willing to have war to get their energy.

If Yellowstone erupted and the US ceased to exist in the blink of an eye, would Europe still want the alternative?

Of course they would!

This has nothing to do with the US. 

This is Europe and Russia, and a variety of battlegrounds.  The US is invovled because of NATO and the legacy of WWII.

But even if NATO were gone, and there had been no such legacy, the problem would still exist.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:17 | 4661087 gcjohns1971
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All of them, to include Putin, are monsters.

This is, however, beside the point.

LUKOIL and GASPROM want energy monopolies to Europe - or as close as they can get to it.  They are Putin's supporters.  He will do what they want.  Russia is willing to go to war for this.

Europe wants energy alternatives. 

European companies tried to extend the BAKU CENTRAL ASIAN pipeline and add gas pipelines through Abkhasia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan to Ukraine.   And they got an invasion of Georgia and South Ossetia, and the gas shut off to Europe for the better part of a month.

So.. next they tried to build a pipeline from equatorial aftrica - and were blocked by Putin allies, Libya, Tunisia, and a deterioration in Algeria.

So, then they tried to build a pipeline from the Gulf States, with only a tiny portion of the pipeline going through Syria.  Syria - at Russia's direction - said no. 

Finally, everyone is back to the Ukraine.

Obviously, Europe is willing to have war to get their energy.

If Yellowstone erupted and the US ceased to exist in the blink of an eye, would Europe still want the alternative?

Of course they would!

This has nothing to do with the US. 

This is Europe and Russia, and a variety of battlegrounds.  The US is invovled because of NATO and the legacy of WWII.

But even if NATO were gone, and there had been no such legacy, the problem would still exist.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:19 | 4660317 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Get Some!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:31 | 4660364 GetZeeGold
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Romeo Foxtrot. Shall we dance?

 

Our bankers will kick your bankers asses!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkH5Ak4wAnY

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:54 | 4660342 Chuck Knoblauch
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Let the elections play out.

Will the Austrians be allowed to audit elections in Ukraine?

Will CIA Brennan be auditing the elections in Ukraine?

Putin will not act without support from the people.

He will not be provoked before elections.

A waiting game until May 25th.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:27 | 4660354 forwardho
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RE; “Overnight, an antiterrorist operation began in the north of Donetsk,”

So a citizen who disagrees with and is protesting against the gov becomes a terrorist?

Terrorists have no rights and can be killed by the state.

Truly, lableing is disableing.

P.S. If its true, as Putin says, that only obama can stp the bloodshed. These people are well and truly fucked.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:30 | 4660365 22winmag
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Up next: the anniversary of the fake ass Boston bombing and May Day!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:34 | 4660395 Vracar
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Nulland, The Golfer, Brenner, Lew, Carney....u.s. goverment is taking whole world to ww3 by organizing, financing and leading puchist nazis. While doing that in the name of u.s. citizents, who put them in the office, there is no public out cry to stop this madness, not even one protest, no congressman or senator spoke out, nothing. Cricets...

Few days ago the whole nation stood by nevada rancher, which is a great and correct thing to do, but to prevent criminal actions of the goverment which are for sure going to provoke world wide conflict, americans dont do shit.

Land of the free home of the brave....yeah...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:55 | 4660434 A_Nejad
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They never said "land of the brain" you know...Even the Indians found that out after the 1st year, so DUH!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:46 | 4660448 TheMeatTrapper
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If Obama wants to bolster the Ukrainian military, he should send some BLM agents over there. Our Park Rangers have more guns than the Uke military does - and our guys have no qualms shooting unarmed people if they get too close to them.

 

Audio of the secret recording of the BLM Special Agent in Charge "negotiating" with protesters. I like the part where he brags that the protesters are going to need "10 times" the number of supporters if they want to take him on. 

 

http://youtu.be/9p0YemhFnw8

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:47 | 4660459 dogismycopilot
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hmm, this Ukraine Civil war will solve a lot of problems for the EU. They will be able to hire lots of Romanian and Latvian guys to go fight. US will bank roll it. Everyone is making money again. 

fucking progress, right?

Federal US government at work again.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 09:52 | 4660497 Timebandit-44
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I live in a neighborhood made up of Russians and Ukrainians and they all are aware of the CIA's failed clusterfuck. You are all idiotic products of the US mass media. Just turn the TV volume up again and forget this is happening.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:02 | 4660588 SillyWabbits
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We must crackdown on the upstarts.  We must put down the uprisings.  We must standup for the putdown and remove the shackles while shackling the removers.  We must turn the corner without going around the bend.  By tearing down we will build anew.  New restrictions will ensure freedom.  In order to enhance diversity, it is necessary to suppress it.  In the name of solidarity we will introduce the hyphen to separate groups into tyrannical fiefdoms in the name of democracy. 

 

America abhors what is going on.  We do not condone these things and condemn them as evil.  America does not do these things.  We only do them to bring democracy at gun point to non-central bank nations; making us the lesser ot two evils.  Lesser evils are always of more pure intent than pure evil.  When we do preemptive evil things it is for the common good, making us the lesser-evil even when there is no opposing evil.

We do not support freedom fighters wearing colored bandanas killing innocent civilians  …. Oh, we do support colored revolutions, but we do not support terrorists who always dress in drab garb.  Overthrowing tyrants in favor of banker dictators is God’s work.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:39 | 4660820 Federizzle
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If they kill too many taxpayers, who will pay the interest to the IMF?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:04 | 4660981 gcjohns1971
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Why is this happening?  WHY?

This is happening because Europe wants alternative energy suppliers to Russia. 

Russia wants to prevent those alternatives. 

Ukraine, as the transport corridor for energy, was Europe's first and last choice.  It was the first choice until the 2008 gas crisis.

Ukraine is now the last choice of energy corridors because Putin has blocked the others.  Blocked African energy with allies in Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt.   Blocked Asian energy by invading Georgia.   Blocked Gulf-State energy by influencing Syria.

Russia, through its invasion of Georgia, has shown it will go to war over this.

The coalition of Europe and the Gulf States have shown they are willing to go to war, and to provoke civil wars over this.

 

OBUMMER couldn't even understand what is going on if he had a tutor!  HE keeps jumping in late, rather than defusing the issues before they emerge.

 

But fundamentally, the US has NO STAKE IN ANY OF THIS. 

This would still be happening if there were a Dollar default.  This would still be happening if NATO had disbanded 20 years ago.  It would still be  happening if the US divided into parts.

STOP FOCUSING ON THE COLD WAR.   THAT IS DONE!

So long as Europe wants energy alternatives (FOREVER) and so long as Russia wants to prevent those alternatives, and both are willing to go to war over it, there will be a war.

PERIOD.

So get over the propaganda.   Politicians only every tell the truth by mistake.

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:53 | 4661654 shovelhead
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So,

Putin controls every possible gas access point to Europe?

You live in a dreamworld, bud.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 15:14 | 4662273 Atticus Finch
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This is happening because of the Project for the New American Century and Mr. Brezinski's Grand Chessboard. If Russia put missile batteries along the border of Mexico and Canada and the Russian fleet moved into the Gulf of Mexico, wouldn't the US Government be nervous?

Russia and China are nervous and this is unimaginably dangerous.

The psychopaths in Washington are pushing for nuclear war.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 22:24 | 4663817 are we there yet
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America sends Obama's help to the Ukraine.

http://www.outofregs.com/index.php?page=archives&id=101

http://defendproclaimthefaith.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/gays-in-the-military2.jpg

House cats are funny because they are arrogant and stupid. I think Obama is a cat.

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