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"Ukraine In Very Dangerous Situation", No Lethal Assistance Coming Says White House
First it was the Russians who repeated they are "deeply concerned by the deaths in the Ukraine," and now it is the turn of the White House, through its speaker, Jay Carney, to chime in as well:
- RUSSIA DIRECTLY, INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING PROVOCATIONS: CARNEY
- UKRAINE HAS TO RESPOND TO PROVOCATIONS IN UKRAINE, CARNEY SAYS
- U.S. `ADMIRING' OF RESTRAINT UKRAINE GOVT HAS SHOWN: CARNEY
- U.S. WILL KEEP PRESSING RUSSIA ON DE-ESCALATION, CARNEY SAYS
- UKRAINE IN VERY `DANGEROUS' SITUATION, CARNEY SAYS
And yet, despite all the priase, Ukraine is on its own.
- U.S. NOT CONSIDERING LETHAL ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE, CARNEY SAYS
- CARNEY REITERATES U.S. DOESN'T SEE MILITARY UKRAINE SOLUTION
In other words, as we said last week, if it is Ukraine's gambit, that its allies will come to its rescue upon a lethal escalation and provocation, "it will be sorely disappointed." It seems Ukraine is about to figure this our first hand.
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How do you admire the restraint of rolling in tanks to stop a vote? When something that stupid is said, it really makes people read everything else said as being the complete opposite of the truth.
Maybe I wasn't kind of wishy washy before I was.
- J Kohn
Redraw the Rat line, ASAP!
pods
Who needs "lethal assistance" when you have "kenetic humanitarian aid" ?
So in other words get ready for the lethal assistance.
This doesn't necessarily rule out an unexplained/mysterious possible appearance of a large ground force of alCIAda Liver Eating 'Freedom Fighters'
fomenting a Ukrainian Civil War and/or provoking Russia much more aggressively.
Now if you'll excuse Jay, he has some Lenin, Marx & Stalin themed & other such posters, designs, decor and house decorating regalia he needs to pick up from Bed, Banya & Beyond.
u.s. gov needs Ukraine coup gov to look like a victim first... Russia must be painted as the aggressor for the propaganda to have any effect.
"U.S. NOT CONSIDERING LETHAL ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE, CARNEY SAYS"
Well....a couple of dozen Hawk SAM batteries wouldn't be lethal as long as no one flies over them.
So they use the CIA to goad them into kicking out a Russian-sympathizing-but-democratically-elected President and then pull the rug out and offer no support? What kind of fucked up foreign policy is that?
It worked failed in Libya..!
Sad to say, it's been a relatively effective one to date.
How else can a bunch of thugs get "international recognition" and support?
redpill... Same thing they did in Georgia.
This is not our affair. Stay out of foreign entanglements for this is a european endeavor, to be solved by europeans. We've been going on a 13 year war created by the lies of Washington. Must we now go to World War III also on a lie?
Absolutely. The Europeans will do nothing. History shows they have never reacted until it was too late. Carney needs to keep his mouth shut. We all know we will stay out. No need to say it.
Go back in my posts and you'll find that when this all started, I stated that this is 1956 Hungary all over again.
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I have lately begun to think 1936, the Spanish Civil War.
Agreed john, this Zio statement is a bait for Russia, as is the aerial attack earlier today.
Now Brennan's "secret" visit to Kiev makes a lot of sense: Banderastan attacks "separatists in SE Ukraine, USSA comes out with a public claim it won't support Banderastan and hopes Russia will retribute. Russia sends military help to Russians in SE Ukraine and NATO starts screaming bloody murder and calls on Article 5 (never mind Ukraine isn't a member, Kosovo was "liberated" under the same pretext) and it's game on... Welcome to WWIII...
What do the Zionists get? IMO, they kill two birds with a 150 kT nuke:
1. Vichy DC skips responsibility for Russia & China dumping 'king dollah' because of apparent (war-time) reasons;
2. Financial collapse of the Anglo-Zio Empire is prevented.
The inbred sob's are that fuckin' desperate...
Third:
Nobody is going to do anything.
Deal with it.
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No lethal assistance 'coming'????
And what the hell do you call the 'assistance' given by the Nulandians up to now? As lethal as it can get for the unfortunate Ukrainians.
Only if President Jarrett approves it.
Anyone see the Gawker article about Mark Gorton waking up?
http://gawker.com/the-astounding-conspiracy-theories-of-wall-street-geniu-1561427624/1561926154/+nitasha
Take a look at the idiotic comments, i.e. "Rich people often fall into a delusional psychosis. I hope that he can come back from it, but most drift further into insanity"...
Hear that ZH'ers? You people are regular old looney toons. And you are so self-righteous pretending that you know things that other people don't, just because you think you can observe reality and apply logic to reach a conclusion. Very un-American of you!
Most people reside within the coziness of the MSM bubble, and that's where they're comfortable. Anything that threatens their illusion is to be met with hostility, hence the casual armchair psychiatry whereby they diagnose non-conformers as "insane."
These people are, for lack of a better term, indoctrinated, and their reactions are akin to religious fanatics who think everyone else is crazy. I see comments like the one you quoted above as a kind of safety mechanism, almost like parents who refuse to believe anything negative they hear about their kids.
"My country would never do such a thing" is really not all that different from "My Johnny would never do such a thing."
Lets See Those UKR Billionaires Running The Country, What They Do Now???
FLEE To Their LONDON Mansions A.S.A.P. ???
Or to wherever they've stashed the country's recently 'liberated' gold.
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If Ukraine was Muslim we'd be on that like stink on shit
They can always convert
@max2205
Not so in Georgia, not so in Chechnya.
Putin must be laughin' his ass off.
"no lethal assistance", unless of course military weapons are lethal....
Raise your hand if you believe Carney speaks the truth, the whole truth and nthing but the truth. How that guy can look himself in the mirror is beyond me
Maybe you answered your own question Fred? What if he looked into the mirror and saw nothing?
pods
I think he looks in the mirror and sees a latter day Willi Munzenberg.
He can look himself in the mirror because he lies to himself on what he sees.
Carney moves his mouth but all I hear is:
Blah blah blah. We're a bunch of pussies.
The Greystone psychopaths don't count as 'assistance'?
It's as if Obama is setting the stage for the US to basically just leave EVERYBODY hanging. US foreign policy is not only in tatters, the US appears to be actively working at destroying any trust that any foreign government may have in it.
1. Refuse to repatriate gold? German. Check.
2. Turn on long time allies? Egypt. Check.
3. Set up a situation where Europes nat. gas is cut off? 1/2 of Europe. Check.
4. Set up a sweet deal that turns to shit. Ukraine. Check.
5. We'll take care of those back debts. Just sign here for loans. After the fact. Ukraine. Check.
Reagan's words come to mind with minor alteration of the nine scariest words, "I'm from the US government and I'm here to help."
The thought had occurred to me that Obozo was deliberately sabotaging
the neocons, at the last minute, in all these fuckups.
Then I realized he probably can't even clean his own golf balls without help, so
I dismissed it.
But I do think he's a master at being stupd, so I don't put it past him to be playing that part up. Although, that said, he may be too stupid to realize that not everyone else is as stupid has he may think.
Very same thought sequence occured to me!
Its almost as if the guy didn't like America, was intentionally trying to damage our relationships with our allies, and diminish our standing in the world....hey wait a minute!
That would also fit with putting the country into so much debt that it collapsed.
Wasn't there a guy who wrote something about that? Cloward and Piven? No. Oh right- Alinsky.
Pretty astute for a 4-week-old kid! :>D
"No Lethal Assistance" wtf does that mean?
We have always been at war with Eastasia..
Carney is a fuckin liar
Worse than that, he's fucking ginger!
Careful, the souless ones are allowed on ZH as well.
Not real clear what restraint has been shown by the Ukraine government.
They won't have fuel for their tanks. It's not hard to restrain activity when none is possible.
I was thinking about that. All the separatists have to do is drive away from the incoming forces and let them run out of gas.
pods
What if they gave a war and nobody could drive to it?
Queue up the cavalry with scimitars and recurved bows...
so if no US support on escalation - why did Brennan show up?
He wanted assurances that whoever got the billion dollars we are giving them would not use it to blow up the COMEX with a delivery request for silver.
CIA-type inner core secret leadership need to bow to Putin in this frame of the ongoing soap opera love triangle of Russia, China, and the US. CIA going in there telling the Ukranian (if they are that) Nazi Puppets "Uncle Sam's got yo' back!" emboldened them to commit acts of blazing stupidity, which has the sole important result of giving Putin a lawful excuse to cement Russian power in the region. Putin will probably make gains to the Dneiper River, a logical geographic boundary, and the maps will be shaded in "disputed" cross-hatches and given some obsolete regional title or interim oblast name. The truth is simple with complex measures to disguise it. Ukranian tanks on the roll draw Putin's "protect Russian interests" justification means into play, the Kiev government utterly discredited by wanton acts of stupidity. Romney in a landslide.
Unofficial lethal assistance is already being provided via Ukraine military, now the US can sit back and see how Russia responds.
Agree this is a chess game going on, but me thinks there are more chess masters of Russian decent...
I bet Kerry and Obama only play checkers.
I think it's very likely that Ukrainian jets are being piloted by CIA or special ops. Putin can play the same game by having special forces posing as civilians secure the eastern provinces. I'm not sure how much Ukrainian regulars want to fire on their countrymen, my guess is not at all.
The US is going to go down as the most despicable empire in history. Even Nazis were more respectable. Nazis didn't hide behind the skirts of mercenaries, they at least had the courtesy to let you know who exactly was pulling the trigger.
"why did Brennan show up?"
To give his blessing
He was the bag man. And evidently the bag came back empty.
Brennan's the new April Glaspie.
Did you all see the magazine article about Carney wherein they showed these Soviet-era propaganda posters the guy has all over his house? Creepy. Pure Bolshevik.
I'm sure they are simply collector pieces and have nothing to do with idealogy.
William Banzai needs to get ahold of those images and doctor them to have Obama in them.
"I'm sure they are simply collector pieces and have nothing to do with idealogy."
They're to set the mood for the Eisenstein screenings on Friday nights.
Link please?
Here you go:
http://www.washingtonian.com/mom/features/balancing-act/
http://www.businessinsider.com/soviet-propaganda-posters-jay-carney-2014-4
Hmmm... Heh...
Everything this government does is lethal.
The U.S. may not be considering assistance but the alphabet agencies sure as hell already are.
The front line is everywhere
AD
Come on now, Yats the Yid doesn't sip his coffee without checking with the New Bolshevik command structure in DC.
Fucking lying Carney. There is a special place in hell for that cock sucker.
Doc, He has to see, hear, and kiss the ass of that shitwad boss of his.
Every day.
He's already in hell.
Unbelievable that the US Governments enemies around the globe just don't do a coordinated disruption, NOrks, Russians Chinese, Arabs, Bundy's, Boy Scouts and the American Bison, it would be pandamonium.
No lethal assistance? Have they armed Blackwater with tasers?
We just gave them a billion dollars...what else do they want...bullets and guns....never..the DHS is buying all of those right now...
So to recap:
Neo-Cons and the CIA destabilize the Ukranian Government and manufacture its replacement
New government is already fucked and about to be fucked once again by Emperor Vlad and the new Red Army
Specky ginger nut Neo-Con spokesman confirms that Murrica will let the Ukrainians sort out the shit that was started by Neo Cons
And that Ladies and Gentleman, is how you do Foreign Policy
LOL
Get your sister to go over your homework once again. You've missed a few obvious points. Your analus doesn't add up.
Leave my analus out of this.
Siamese Twins? Culture Club?
Unless there's a deeper plan that we don't know about. The American actions trying provoke Japan into war in the late thirties looked inexplicable at the time also. I don't know, but the possibility is there.
Wow we started this mess and now that it's gotten out of hand, we're like "good luck you're on your own..."
If you believe the White House, yes. Unfortunately they're not credible.
"Baghdad Bob" was better. Had more credibility and he had the finger waving down pat.
Only covert support and hired mercenaries, provovation and most likely at this stage backdoor weapons flooding in under cover of darkness to the Western Ukraine..this show is being run by the U.S. and paid for by money printing.
Should start making shirts "We spent 6 Billion Dollars and all we got was a new cold war & this T-Shirt"
This is shaping up to be a proxy war like Vietnam for now only the cannon fodder is mercs and Western Ukrainian soldiers for now.
Six billion dollars might be good value for the MIC ... if a new Cold War is stimulated, they'll reap dividends many thousands of times that amount.
fucking NATO pussies
No "lethal assistance"? Then what the fuck was the head of the CIA doing there?
Discussing plans for a fucking picnic?
A picnic is a good guess, he wasn't there to provide intelligence, the US is lacking in that department.
So far the readiness to use violence is coming from the side of CIA backed terrorists in Kiev.
This kind of reads like we know Putin is going in and we are leaving the field to settle for propaganda wins and UN resolutions.
Did you guys see the Lada driver driving behind the Ukrainian T-72 tank on the farming field...while trying to stop it?? Now Obo, see, told you, Russians don't play poker...
I think it was T64...
Lada Niva
that could be viewed in Kiev as reason to attack actually. Already the various Eastern Regions are stepping back from their insistence that this isn't being led by Moscow.
In fact they are now saying these are regular Russian military forces in their towns and cities...and they want them out.
Hard to see how war doesn't break out here now. Germany will now start exporting natural gas to Ukraine. Romania into Moldova.
This could get real ugly, real fast.
where is Germany gonna get that gas smarty pants? maan some people are fucking dumb its unbelievable
Russia provides over half of the EU’s fossil fuel imports. In 2013, Europe imported a third of its oil from Russia (over 2 billion barrels), more than from any other region of the world (see figure below), plus 40% of its natural gas and a little over 25% of its coal (BP Review of World Energy). Germany was the biggest recipient of Russian gas.
Energy dependence is the crux of everything going forward. We are all fools for being dependent on our enemies.
I don't know why you were downvoted. Maybe because you called them "enemies". We need energy independence and let the rest of the world to jack itself up. I long for isolationism.
Energy dependence is the crux of everything going forward. We are all fools for being dependent on others.
there ya go... fixed it for you.
But we will send MREs. Except, none with skittles. You are not going to get skittles. We keep those for ourselves.
They will have to buy their own armaments with the money we funnel to them.
Russia has some surplus to sell.
No lethal assistance but they will be deploying some new Jen Psaki selfies featuring more of her eyball scorching sartorial arsenal
But on a serious note, while the US has no business in Ukraine, we also had no business leading them on that we (might) have their backs in a confrontation with Russia, or supply financial support, or figure a way to send them LNG this winter...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-should-send-ground-troops-to-ukraine/2014/04/15/aa40b238-c408-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.html
Let's hope the above dufus dosn't get his way.
There's a whole list of NGOs that Zero could use to provide "lethal assistance"...
the russians promptly cluster bombed the shit out of it rendering it useless.
That must be why?
US sends specialists to Ukraine to coordinate activity of its state structure – source. Several US agencies - the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Justice and the Department of State - have commissioned their specialists to Ukraine to help coordinate the activity of Ukrainian state structures on issues of security, law enforcement, interior affairs and international contacts, since the Ukrainian authorities are unable to do it themselves
VoR
wow obama left Ukraine high and dry just like his own voters
Someone should ask Carney: did the US directly or indirectly support the coup against the elected Ukrainian government?
What? And risk losing their privilege of asking pre-screened questions at the daily WH PR event...er...briefing?
I think that would be a waste of air since he is never going to admit, better ask him them he became a goverment lackey so we can go back in time one day and remove him from history at that exact moment.
Soviet Union wins cold war
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Russia wins cold war
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America looses easily bitchez
On can only wonder how much of the Polish buildup of forces on their border with Ukraine is being black funded by the DoD.
if it is Ukraine's gambit, that its allies will come to its rescue upon a lethal escalation and provocation, "it will be sorely disappointed."
WHAT allies? It's not a part of NATO, so there no alliances in writing.
Just released from Russia on Bundy ranch siege:
-- U.S. DIRECTLY, INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING PROVOCATIONS
-- BUNDY AND SUPPORTERS HAVE TO RESPOND TO PROVOCATIONS AGAINST BUNDY AND SUPPORTERS
--RUSSIA ‘ADMIRING' OF RESTRAINT BUNDIES AND SUPPORTERS HAVE SHOWN
--RUSSIA WILL KEEP PRESSING U.S. ON DE-ESCALATION
--BUNDY SEIGE IN VERY `DANGEROUS' SITUATION
I wonder if this is part of "0-Numb nuts" deal that he refered to when his mike was open http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxEDomUlXw or just more of his basic weak kneed incompetence. So the question is.....is it a case of two communists getting together in a non obvious way or did BHO just get played like a piano by the Russians???
Hopefully I can be first to state that if they like thier duly appointed dictator, theycan keep thier duly appointed dictator. The ingratitude. bunch of party poopers. Malcontents and terrorists. Contrarions. Speculators!!
"We're in trouble, Tonto...We're surrounded by Indians."
"What you mean 'we' Kimosabe?"
Isn't it about time that China force Harry Reid's hand in Clark Co, NV, and get rid of those pesky cowboys? Gheesh, China needs the extra revenues produced by the solar power stations in order to fund their new energy contract with the Russians, which in turn helps fund the Russian military moves. Hate to think that Harry might be holding up Putin's progress...
Dirty Harry says....go ahead and make my day....
I think you mean Reid needs the extra revenues backhanded from selling Nevada to China.
Russia and China are meaningful nuclear powers and an all out conflict means a fried earth because as far as Russia is concerned it's either win-win, Russia win and zios lose, or fried earth and everybody lose, no scenario for zios win and Russia lose. Even the sociopaths know that. Putin is their biggest problem. Since they have gone this far and hit a wall then Russia and whichever Nato or mercs or whoever the zios send in will have to have it out inside Ukraine as part of a Syrianish style civil war. Its not very neat but sociopaths will be sociopaths. In the meantime an axis is developing in the east based on shared defensive needs and zio controlled economies and fiat currencies are waning. Zios are brazen and acting cool but might be feeling desperate and frustrated by another delay in the tribes right to rule the earth. Anyway it's all very exciting to watch until it gets into my back yard.
This just in: Saddam Osama Bin Putin has been spotted in Kiev tossing 6 million babies out of incubators! It's like Nazi Germany all over again!
i think the solution, the final solution, is to eliminate the barbaric abrahamics from the face of the earth so that the superior race of asians can peacefully administer the world utilizing white people as a caste of ditch diggers so they will never have the opportunity to harm the earth and the people ever again.
Ya started off ok, but the whole second half really doesn't work for me.
oh, c'mon. ditch digging ain't so hard and you will get three hots and a cot. too bad there isn't a transcontinental railway to build but maybe it can be arranged to bury all the utility wires in the usa to give a more modern look. ask a coolie. it wasn't so bad.
"And yet, despite all the priase, Ukraine is on its own."...
No assistance?
Is this why the Satanic Leprachaun from Langley showed up covertly at their doorstep over the weekend to tell them the U.S. couldn't help them????
If this is true does this mean that Assad is off the hook as well? Or will the usual suspects keep ratcheting up the pressure in Eastern Europe in the hopes that Russia will scream Uncle on the Naval base in Tartus and cough up the "rest of Syria"???
Decisions??? Decisions??? For the mentally defective and criminally insane!!!
if this is planned then the end game of the usa is to rout the neocons, with the help of putin, from the face of the earth with another double cross(syria and iran) in the ukraine. israel would be next in this plan. this would make sense to facillitate a new world order without one dominant entity running the whole show, a multipolar world.
or this is the stupidest foreign policy ever conducted by the usa. it is as if someone else is running the show for their own benefit and not the benefit of the usa or europe. this entire conflict is not in the interest of either russia or the usa or europe. so who benefits?
Hmmmm... when reason and common sense fail - allways follow the money.
".......but we relied on McCain and your State Dept"
Que?
Ukraine strategy is really quite brillant, Putin & Obama are in cahoots, both sides are stomping "nationalists" opposed to independence ultimately Ukraine will submit, Putin is just "negotiating" perks.
ZH, you are engaging in the classic case of mistaking the public, face saving (for Putin) message with the behind the scenes message.
The US is preparing to engage Russia with NATO allies. Believe it. But the diplomatic corp are trying to let it appear as though Russia were holding all the military options in hand. Threats go deep while words of calm float on the surface of public awareness.
This means that the real power will be with the Ukraine. If and when Ukraine chooses to detonate a few dirty bombs and contaminate Russian Cities for millenia...and burn all ties to Russia...should be the question on the mind of the Little Napoleons right about now. Escalation will mean an end to the Russian Imperial aspirations.
And Russia will hand over their entire arsenal of nuclear weapons to NATO and Ukraine ? Perhaps it will be delivered by intercontinental missiles to your back yard .
According to Reuters the U.S. is having success getting it's weapons to rebel strongholds to "free" more Syrians from their mortal coils... http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCABREA3E0RZ20140415
So if 140,000 dead Syrians by the UN and NATO wasn't nearly enough at least we know there is still a best effort underway to ensure the weapons line will keep going through and made in the U.S.A. will benefit with more Saudi funded weapons purchases and Israeli logistics support in an attempt to take the rest of Syria... Then on to greener pastures with Iran.
Now lets try this out with the Ukraine!
How can you not be proud of America???!!!
Just America applying Worst Practices. Natural result of having worst economy, worst politicians, worst values.
Just America applying Worst Practices. Natural result of having worst economy, worst politicians, worst values.
What's the Ukrainian word for tank crew? - "Shish Kabob"...
If you're a APC driver, park that baby and blow it up - you'll be glad you did. When Nixon invaded Cambodia, I was in the Medical Corps in Vietnam. I would go over the daily casualty reports and there would be page after page of casualties listed as "Burned Beyond Recognition". I mean, what did they die horribly for? Park it and blow it up and if any officer objects, you know what to do...
Is this the part where Obama breaks out of character and says "I'm not really POTUS but I have been staying in a Holiday Inn Express" and does a little Vaudeville dance as he exits the stage?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38234.htm
Lets see ...
"In other words, as we said last week, if it is Ukraine's gambit, that its allies will come to its rescue upon a lethal escalation and provocation, 'it will be sorely disappointed.' It seems Ukraine is about to figure this our first hand."
So CIA chief Brennan travels secretly to Ukraine, and the so-called government ("Ukraine") announces an armed offensive against the pro-Russian demonstrators the next day, and actually starts killing people. And somehow this is about "Ukraine" gambling on its "allies" coming to its rescue?
This may be a gambit, it's certainly a provocation, but the evidence strongly suggests it's a CIA gambit and provocation. Clearly the CIA needs a war with Russia in Ukraine. Putin is certainly savvy enough to see this. If he takes the bait it will only be because he believes he has to - in other words, a forced move.