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Unidentified Fighter Jets Open Fire On Kramatorsk Airfield, Casualties Reported

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Things in east Ukraine have spiraled out of control. Moments ago Itar Tass reported that there has been a shoot out at the separatists-controlled airport in the city of Kramatorsk where according to on the ground witnesses,  four Su-27 fighter jets have allegedly opened fire at the local airfield. It is unclear who the unidentified warplanes belong to although Itar Tass notes that one of the jets was allegedly taken down, so there should be confirmation shortly. Eyewitnesses also add that there are victims and an ambulance has been sent to the scene.

Itar-Tass also adds that according to the newspaper "News Kramatorsk" three helicopters were circling over Kramatorsk.

Elsewhere, RIA adds that Ukraine troops have now successfully regained control of the same airport.

Here is a photo of one of the fighters seen circling above Kramatorsk.

From Kyiv Post:

Espresso TV's correspondent on the ground at Kramatorsk airfield in Donetsk Oblast reports that the elite Omega unit of the Interior Ministry has taken control of the airfield.

 

Citing the Defense Ministry, Interfax is reporting that Ukrainian armored personnel carriers stormed the airfield, which lies between the cities of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. Ukrainian troops fired on pro-Russian terrorists who had occupied the airfield.

 

Russia Today reported that several members of armed terrorists were wounded in the attack and there "may be deaths."

 

Quoting "activists" at the airfield, Russia Today reported that "Other members of the militia (Kremlin-backed terrorists) have blocked the entrance to Kramatorsk and are ready to defend the city, the activists added."

 

Concurrently, RIA Novosti reported that Ukrainian troops had laid siege on Sloviansk.

 

Interfax cited eye witnesses who said that a caravan of 500 Ukrainian troops and military hardware has entered Sloviansk.

Russia is keeping mum for now:

  • RUSSIAN DEFENSE MIN DECLINES COMMENT ON REPORT ON AIRBORNE UNIT

More on the escalation:

  • RUSSIA MILITARY PLANE CRASHES IN RUSSIA'S ASTRAKHAN REGION: IFX

Finally, from Bloomberg citing RIA:

  • PROTESTERS IN EAST UKRAINE SAY THEY HAD 4 DEATHS: RIA

At what point does one declare that there is now a civil war going on in Ukraine?

 

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Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:59 | 4660946 intric8
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GOD HELP US

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:04 | 4660980 blabam
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God left the building a long time ago...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:16 | 4661075 JPM Hater001
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God gave us free will.  Right now he's just doing ANOTHER face plant.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:20 | 4661105 Arius
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it will be what is meant to be ... asking for God's help it showes you are in good terms with yourself, everything else we do not control ...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:25 | 4661140 max2205
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Barry, send in the drones now

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:38 | 4661226 old naughty
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...and he confiscated all National Guard helicopters from all 50 States !?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:40 | 4661249 TeamDepends
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Must.  Hide.  Financial.  Collapse.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:15 | 4661471 CH1
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Sickening and disgusting, but this will be good for the US dollar.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:47 | 4661636 Confused
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So what was it that Putin and Obama spoke about on that call? Perhaps just confirming a date and time. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:31 | 4661851 mjcOH1
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1 SU-25.  1 SU-27.   And I do believe they're both packing.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 15:00 | 4662233 FinalEvent
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<- My name

<- Not my name

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:53 | 4661656 TheReplacement
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Just the Apache gunships.  NG will be getting Blackhawk (not gunships) in exchange.  Yay.

"All the better to eat you with."

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:34 | 4661570 what's that smell
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there are no foxes in atheist holes.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 16:03 | 4662471 EscapingProgress
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This whole revolution thing looks like fun!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:31 | 4661174 Anusocracy
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You have free will only within your operating system and its software.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:35 | 4661195 Headbanger
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Not according to the NSA!

And no mention of this news on CNN.com!!??

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:50 | 4661322 codecode
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still looking for flight 370...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 16:05 | 4662476 EscapingProgress
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It's in Michelle O's big black butt.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:33 | 4661193 rsnoble
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The US has God and Jesus in a terrorist camp.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 14:30 | 4662113 RafterManFMJ
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Where's your Messiah now, Flanders?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:50 | 4661300 EmmittFitzhume
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Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here. - MJK

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:00 | 4661386 Testudo321
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God was all out of face plants the second time Obama was elected....

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:55 | 4661664 Uncle Remus
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Text on the Devil's phone after 2012 election "well played"

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:21 | 4661100 Arius
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duplicate

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:04 | 4660982 Thought Processor
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Air superiority is critical here.  The West can not match Russia's ground hardware / troops.  But NATO and the US can fight for air superiority, along with using covert SOF units on the ground.

 

This has definitely escalated to a new level.  

 

The airspace over the Ukraine is, for now, the real area of conflict I think.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:09 | 4661021 sushi
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The USSA and NATO have not gone up against a state with an integrated air defense system such as that fielded by Russia. The S-400 is a pretty sophisticated piece of kit.

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:13 | 4661049 Jack Burton
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I noted before that Russia stopped backing down to the west just a year after S-400 began to deploy as the main Russian air defense missile, protected by TOR M2U.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:44 | 4661092 Vampyroteuthis ...
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The US military is in shambles after playing around in the sandbox over the last few decades. Throw in the rump ranger military, we are in serious trouble. I smell an ass kicking of Ukraine forces by their old (new) masters.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:14 | 4661058 nightshiftsucks
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Really and you have first hand knowledge of that,right Sushi ?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:40 | 4661252 Jack Burton
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Really. Last time was over North Vietnam in the early 70's. You can tell me the incident after that where a modern missile system engaged US aircraft. I mean modern, contemperary with the aircraft.

S-300 was considerd an act of war by Israel if Iran bought them. S-400 is a far more advanced system, and S-500 anti missile system is arriving soon. Also TOR M2U mediam and short range is deploying it's newest advanced missle.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:05 | 4661711 TheReplacement
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The problem with the S-X00 is that it is that it can be overwhelmed by not very high numbers of targets.  This is where drones come in handy.

This is a fundamental truth about most defensive systems.  That and they tend to be static targets.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:18 | 4661784 El Crusty
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in Vietnam they ran into this same problem with Russian SAM systems. we lost a bunch of planes at first, but we developed fairly effective tactics and counter measures to deal with them. i would expect the US to come up with a wild weasel type strategy using armed drones.

i've heard many times about how the US MIC wanted the conflict in Vietnam to happen so they could test US military technology directly against Soviet military technology. this situation doesnt feel any different in that aspect..

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:11 | 4661033 Tabarnaque
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If Nato starts shooting down Russian airplanes then look for ICBM's to start flying soon.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:13 | 4661047 Invinciblehandaxe
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oooh yeah nato bitches just come taste the S400's

 

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:59 | 4661382 Perfecthedge
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S400: this looks like a truck with 4 pipes mounted on top.  Doesn't look like a game changer. I might be wrong though.

http://en.ria.ru/images/16687/98/166879864.jpg

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:07 | 4661414 Ralph Spoilsport
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The  S-400 Triumph is considered by many experts around the globe as arguably the best air defense system.

http://tanknutdave.com/the-russian-s-400/

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:07 | 4661731 Reptil
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Heli, meet SAM, SAM, meet heii
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOmAOJNmbiY

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:09 | 4661743 seek
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It's what's in the those "pipes" that matters. Which is a solid fuel rocket on one end, high explosives on the other, and sensors paired with what would pass for a supercomputer 10 years ago in the middle.

For comparison remember that plenty of US pilots ended up in the Hanoi Hilton thanks for archaic vacuum-tube based radar guided missiles in Vietnam.

This is not Afghanistan where the people on the ground had nothing much more than RPGs to go after aircraft.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:13 | 4661055 pods
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Probably the Ukraine government. The Su-27 is more of an air superiority fighter and is not as well equipped at ground attack.

Ukraine has ~50 of these I think (wiki).

This is the MO of a military that is ill equipped at the task at hand.  Use what you have I guess?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27

pods

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:21 | 4661500 CH1
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That's the point:

NO ONE CAN TELL WHOSE PLANES THESE ARE EXCEPT THE THUGS WHO SENT THEM....

And those assholes shot the truth before starting this insanity.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:23 | 4661124 mrbadexample
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What a stupid fucking comment. NATO forces are superior to Russia's conventional forces in every possible quantifiable way. In their wildest dreams the Russians have never dreampt of defeating NATO in a full on conventional war. Russis has great weapons systems but they are mostly for sale. They do not have the capacity to fight a conventional war against NATO and will not have one for the foreseeable future. This is brinksmanship pure and simple. All the children in the room should just take a deep breath and get  a diaper change. If the ICBM's ever "start flying" they will be coming from Israel, not RUS or USA... Russian doctrine calls for limited nuclear strikes on purely military targets to "deescalate" if they ever go too far and NATO gets involved. That would likely not include ICBM's  because any likely ICBM launch would provoke a full retaliatory strike, it would most likely be a tactical nuke deployed by an aircraft.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:36 | 4661217 Invinciblehandaxe
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NATO will never attack Russia cuz they know damn fucking well

their raptors and other shit would dropping like death flies

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:44 | 4661284 mrbadexample
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Get out much?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:19 | 4661495 Invinciblehandaxe
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eat a dick and go play with you plastic f15s made in china

fucking NATO and UFSA would have to borrow from China and Russia

first if they wanted to start the war

just come and try them S400s

fucking NATO pussies

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:43 | 4661615 what's that smell
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fucking NATO pussies? what's wrong with good ole american pie?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:27 | 4661525 spine001
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I repeat. And check my words with any electronics expert. USA's only problem is not to humiliate Russia and thus trigger an arms race and an end to globalization. Anybody who thinks otherwise has no clue of the advances made in the last 14 years.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:08 | 4661427 mrbadexample
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Yes, NATO war gamers stay up all night worrying about an air force where the pilots average less than 100 hours per year flight time and have no combat experience and an army of 350K composed of 2/3 conscript troops who are essentially combat ineffectives i.e. a drunken, raped and/or otherwise demoralized liability commanded by psychotic NCO's. The Russian professional core including airborne troops are as good as any NATO has (morale/equipment wise) but they add up to about 130K all told or about twice the size of the Heer alone. They also have none of the sophiticated logistical support and interservice training that NATO has pretty much perfected, nor the C5I advantages that NATO forces possess and could presumbaly employ to completely overwhelm and destroy, in a matter of days, the Russian core professional troops who cannot be replaced. This isn't WW2 and "Human Wave" tactics won't work. Quit talking out your ass, you don't know shit.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:23 | 4661513 CH1
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Oh yeah, you're the big badass!

Never seen that fail, have we?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 18:33 | 4663110 blentus
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I applaud your attempts at trolling, but you're pretty bad at it.

 

Sorry :(

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:00 | 4671189 just-my-opinion
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Not that I agree with many things our government does

But do you really think they spend all that money on screw-drivers and toilet seats....Star Wars brother

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:09 | 4661429 mrbadexample
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Dupe

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:23 | 4661516 mrbadexample
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Those NATO chumps also shit their pants with fear when they contemplate facing down an adversary whose GDP is about 30x smaller than NATO combined and smaller respectively than all of its leading members starting with the USA (8x smaller) and followed by Germany, France and the UK. Pretty simple math, eh Bob?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h47cmkO4b7g

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:32 | 4661557 Invinciblehandaxe
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oooh yeah and china paid for that 12x over you deepshit

theres no war with no money

russia does not even have to fire a shot

and next day the ufsa economy is non existent

and you fat ass american retards would be shooting

each other on the second day 

on the third uncles bomb will be wiping retards like you

with no regret

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:45 | 4661621 mrbadexample
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So you've gone from Russia uber alles to "not even firing a shot".... I don't think the FSB will pay you to troll here anymore, Comrade. You will no doubt be demoted to posting shirtless Putin memes on Reddit or maybe just get two in the back of the head. Time to change your handle.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:03 | 4661688 Invinciblehandaxe
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that is a possibility as well

if you fucking NATO pussies were able to attack

and invade Russia how come all you do is talk shit

and do jack shit??

even NATO confirmed that it will not participate

why the fuck??

fucking pussies

you go eat some fat dick ziohead

all you can do is to attack fucking third world countries fucking heros

the very moment you are confronted with first class defense systems

you'll be pissing your dirty pants

 

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:11 | 4661751 TheReplacement
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Turn on your brain for a moment.  The reason we have not fought a war with Russia or the Soviet Union was nukes - mutually assured destruction.  Well, the Soviet Union is gone but Russia and the US still have plenty of nukes. 

You are an idiot.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:32 | 4661856 Invinciblehandaxe
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one of the reasons deepshit

like when syria got the old s300s

and NATO pissed their fucking pants

not even Turkeys chemical false flag

helped in bombing the shit out of syria

wake the fuck up moron

NATO and west is dying

like your brains

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 15:17 | 4662289 Ralph Spoilsport
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Still have some potty training issues there sparky?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:10 | 4671218 just-my-opinion
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Come to Texas....We to Commmando

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 16:25 | 4662563 RafterManFMJ
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Washington, DC.

Today the Department of Defense signed contracts to begin production of the KB-36 Amphibious Submersible Sub-Orbital Aircraft that will be deployed by all 3 branches of the military, in addition to the recently formed United States Intergalactic Space Force.

Although only 4 of the Keynesian Bombers will be built, each will have up to 4 pilots assigned so the can be flown or floated in shifts and each will cost an estimated 500 trillion dollars.

Senator Slop was quoted saying this is the most amazing piece of machinery ever made and will continue America's practice of bringing democracy to every nation on Earth and now, beyond the Sun.

He also noted components for the KB-36 will be supplied from facilities located in every county in the nation.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:21 | 4671251 just-my-opinion
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500 trillion...well shit, thats in my pocket

Lets move humanity forward before....I have a few choices.....yellowstone(thats a whole lot of fuck-you)...we track incommin rocks pretty good so I worry about that the least

Man kind....some of us are really smart...and 99% are really....for lack of a better word(or 2)...fuckin stupid

And just think...You press a big red button and....Game over

Lets just hope the 99%...don't get to that button

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:59 | 4661385 general ambivalent
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Never say never. Scientists told us that a nuclear accident could only happen once in hundreds of millions of years (sorry, not going to look up actual number as it's irrelevent). And in 50 years we have had two catastrophic accidents and multiple others, detailed and undetailed.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:38 | 4661594 spine001
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Simple. You made the mistake of believing the MSM. The people who study and atttempt to control the probability of "acidents" are reliability engineers. I worked with them extensively in the pacemaker industry. Any of them would tell you that the probability of an accident every ten to 20 years is practically a certainty. Also, there are better options and safer for nuclear power generation plants than  the ones used today. Why then we use what we use? Simple the taxpayer is being forced to fund the excess liability insurance of the nuclear players in the USA. And despite that huge subsidy nobody has been willing to use many billions that are available for new nuclear power plants. Only reason I can come up with for the status quo is that they are necessary to maintain the military applications we currently have for nuclear.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:45 | 4661623 Hephaestus
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I once plotted the curve on nuclear accidents. They will be fatal to the planet in < 1000 yrs. Everybody knows about Chernobyl but how many know about Mayak or that there are at least 3 nuke subs sitting on the bottom of the ocean. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 14:56 | 4662218 magnetosphere
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why would a few dozen nuclear accidents be fatal?  heck why would global thermonuclear war be fatal, it would destroy the cities and probably leave the countryside just fine

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 20:05 | 4663419 jerry_theking_lawler
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So, what does this curve look like immediately after an EMP attack? Probably not a curve, huh, more 'lineish'??

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:03 | 4661395 jughead
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you're kidding, right?  If not, you are an idiot.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:39 | 4661767 Reptil
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double

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:19 | 4661790 Reptil
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quote mrbadexample:
"What a stupid fucking comment. NATO forces are superior to Russia's conventional forces in every possible quantifiable way. In their wildest dreams the Russians have never dreampt of defeating NATO in a full on conventional war. Russis has great weapons systems but they are mostly for sale. They do not have the capacity to fight a conventional war against NATO and will not have one for the foreseeable future. This is brinksmanship pure and simple. All the children in the room should just take a deep breath and get  a diaper change. If the ICBM's ever "start flying" they will be coming from Israel, not RUS or USA... Russian doctrine calls for limited nuclear strikes on purely military targets to "deescalate" if they ever go too far and NATO gets involved. That would likely not include ICBM's  because any likely ICBM launch would provoke a full retaliatory strike, it would most likely be a tactical nuke deployed by an aircraft."

bad gamble, snorting too much hopium.
works in NY City, not in Donetsk.
war is ugly and dirty and never predictable.
russians are fighting for their turf.
fuck brinkmanship. fuck doctrine.
stupid CIA models getting us all killed.
I wouldn't trust you baking an egg.
no heartfeelings of course.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 14:07 | 4661993 mrbadexample
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Yeah, OK. NATO vs. Russia in a conventional conflict is very predictable. You're either a fool or just trolling. Putin is acting out of weakness, not strength, if you can't see that I'll never convince you but please stop attempting to sound like you know what you're talking about, all the cliches you've strung together don't add up to shit, don't mean anything, not even interesting lies just stupid common bullshit. No heartfeelings on this end...and how do you bake an egg? We fry them over here Comrade, or scramble them, maybe even boil them but bake? We do not often bake them Comrade, FYI. Back to FSB american idiom school for you too.

 

 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:46 | 4671380 just-my-opinion
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Bake...Fry...Scramble

Now I see what you are tryin to do

No...I'm hungy and you destract me

I have 18 in the fridge...I guess it's time to fry some russians...I mean eggs...8^)

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 16:19 | 4662529 EscapingProgress
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lol look at Americans today. Who are the US oligarchs going to send into the meat grinder? Idiots and sissy boys? hahaha! And let me guess, they will be commanded by political morons?

I'll watch from a distance as Obombo's stormtroopers are ground into dust by the big bad Russian bear. Who in their right mind would want to take part in that collective suicide operation? Oh, that's right, these insaniacs aren't in their right minds!

Coming out of a 13 year lost campaign in the ME, and they are going to go toe to toe with Russia? I don't fucking think so.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 21:10 | 4663612 StychoKiller
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The Sherman tank was quite inferior to the Panzer/Tiger tank, yet they still helped to win WWII.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:09 | 4661022 Tabarnaque
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Just a few days after the Head of the CIA visited Ukraine... I guess that the war mongers in Washington finallly have their new war.

This is all done to capture Western Europe inside Nato's grip, away from an emerging multi-polar world where the BRICS are emerging as new leaders. Look at this to cement the current "free trade" negotiations TTIP with Europe. All this to enable a US corporate power grab over Europe and defend the US dollar's role as reserve currency for decades to come.

That thousands of Ukrainian civilians will die in the process means nothing to these phychopaths in Washington.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:15 | 4661066 Jack Burton
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Very insightful! I believe you have dug to the core of the thing. Dollar is key, American must fight any attempt to replace the Dollar Reserve Currency, it is the heart of American world power. Though BRICKS are fed up with the USA extortion system based on King Dollar.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:26 | 4661151 Tabarnaque
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It will not stop the BRICS from emerging but it will "capture" Europe for a while. However, both Europe and America are bankrupt debtors with very little gold left in their vaults. It will not change the conclusion that the US dollar will end its days as the world reserve currency. It will just make the death longer and more painful.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:30 | 4661176 Ghordius
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"both Europe and America are bankrupt debtors with very little gold left in their vaults"

you are bundling 29 nations with quite differing cases into one. a small example: France delivered gold back to Germany, upon demand

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:33 | 4661198 Tabarnaque
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Yeah, the gold they stole from Mali after a very opportunistic "Al Quaeda" attack occured, providing the cover the French Army needed to intervene...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:55 | 4661332 Ghordius
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nice theory. yet again: all 29 nations broke and with no gold at all? including France? including Italy? including Germany?

that the US gold is gone, I could believe, particularly because only 5 tons have been delivered so far. That the British gold is leased out twenty times over, ok, I could swallow. but all of them? a secret of this size multiplied by the cases in which it's true... very, very unlikely

Tab, note that I'm just chipping at a small detail of your thesis. The general direction of the thing... made me a very early advocate of the EUR, looong time ago

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:27 | 4661158 Ghordius
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BRICs means Brazil, Russia, India and China. I have no clue where your "K" comes from. You have often this uncanny ability of mixing 80% of correct information with 20% of pure... I have no word for it, yet I guess it has something to do with a strong, unbridled creativity

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:35 | 4661187 Grande Tetons
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BRICS....the S stands for South Africa.  

Spelling B regional champ 1984! 

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:40 | 4661251 gafgroocK
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Thanks "Big Tits"!

 

I was the French to English Translation Regional Champ 1995 !

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:35 | 4661212 Tabarnaque
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Maybe you should buy a pair of reading glases because I wrote BRICS. S stands for South Africa. It is part of the BRICS. There is for your general basic 101 education...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:42 | 4661266 Ghordius
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I was replying to Jack Burton - check again and you'll see it. meanwhile, South Africa? come on, for all purposes it's a quite neutral country in all those affairs

the main "challengers" are China, Russia, India, Brazil, in that order. the acronym should be CRIB, imho....   ;-)

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:52 | 4661344 Tabarnaque
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Ooops, my mistake! Sorry.  

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:46 | 4661278 socalbeach
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deleted (Ghordius beat me to it).

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:17 | 4661486 zerozulu
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S in BRICS was attached to BRIC  before the world football (Soccer) cup and later was replaced with s (small latter) and now is replaced with a . ( full stop) period.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:59 | 4661380 V in PA
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Probably an auto-correct glitch from the cell phone. Most everyone knew what was meant. Let's try not to be grammer Nazi's on ZH.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:17 | 4661483 Ghordius
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I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi, I am just still suspicious about Jack Burton, that's all

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:18 | 4661491 zerozulu
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Do you know USSA is not a typo either?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:36 | 4661216 Ignatius
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This is what Paul Craig Roberts has been writing about:  http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:39 | 4661242 Tabarnaque
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He is a great author and a great contributor the the community of free thinkers.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:15 | 4661772 Reptil
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Nailed it.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:51 | 4661926 SilverTech
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"I guess that the war mongers in Washington finallly have their new war."

I don't think the Neocons (Ziocons) want to go to war with a real power like Russia or China.

IMO the US weapon systems have been thoroughly scouted by Russian and Chinese spys. They probably know them better than the Americans do. I think the US will have a lot of surprises if they mix it up with either Russia or China.

Also, the US Defense Industry is more about creating profits than creating effective weapon systems.

Of course, the Neocons are reckless. Witness 911.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:10 | 4661027 asteroids
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Not a lot of panic or volatility. They are letting the market down slowly. The boyz have this market in a vice grip and they have plenty of money to control things. Truly amazing. Also truly evil and broken.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:16 | 4661069 john39
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yes, but, now anyone paying attention can see the reality of the situation...  

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:16 | 4661028 Jack Burton
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CIA director visits his friends in Kiev, warplanes begin attacks on protestors. Do the two fit? Does a bear shit in the woods.

Yesterday I said the west has become a rabid dog, dangerous and insane. The CIA are proving me right.

Key the S-400 long range anti aircraft missiles. No fly zone, Russian style.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:15 | 4661064 TaperProof
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They need war to keep the game going...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:04 | 4661398 HardAssets
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Are these guys TRYING to make that 'Blood Moon' prophecy stuff come true or something ?

Jeesh

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 10:59 | 4660947 Thought Processor
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This is it.  It's on.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:06 | 4661007 Grande Tetons
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This is the pre game show that lasts a fucking eternity.  Kinda of like watching Panda bears having sex. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:12 | 4661042 PhilB
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I just gave an Up Arrow to a retired porn star giving advice on Nato/US versus Russia tactics in Ukraine on ZH. You see what the mass media has driven us to! 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:45 | 4661286 gafgroocK
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"Kinda of like watching Panda bears having sex. "

 

Is that faster than watching them walk 15 ft?

(that took 30 minutes to transverse as reported by my wife & kids all the while I was on a bench outside the Panda House with wrap-around Raybans watching the MILFs)

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:40 | 4661592 BuddyEffed
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dup

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:00 | 4660949 Ancona
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Looks like it's game on bitchez.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:01 | 4660952 Bill of Rights
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Ok even to the most brainless schmuck among us, this was well planned....the gold hit that is. Pound gold we are going full retard...That was the conversation between Vlad and Odumpster last evening.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:03 | 4660953 FilthyHabits
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God damn it....

Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck

WWIII

Arm Yourselves

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:09 | 4661019 rehypothecator
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Hey, it's not World War Three unless we are ruled by feckless, stupid and irresponsible leaders seeking to drag us into other people's domestic squabbles ... uh, nevermid.  WWIII it is, then.  

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:37 | 4661221 Cannon Fodder
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Well at least it isn't WW4.... I don't have any sticks sharpened up yet....

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:15 | 4661468 HardAssets
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When you can't post on ZH . . . because they've taken all the web down & declared martial law

then its WW3.

 

This might just be the opening credits rolling.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:18 | 4661783 seek
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No, that's the US Civil war 2.0.

They'll leave the web running for WW3 so they can run propaganda blaming it on the Russians. They'll leave it running for civil war 2.0 until they determine it's helping the citizens, and then pull the plug, probably simulateously with travel restrictions.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:00 | 4660956 inevitablecollapse
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it has begun...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:00 | 4660957 No Quarter
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More Info- None of the MSM is covering this (imagine that! )

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:21 | 4661110 Jack Burton
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Indeed! Total Black Out. PBS, CNN, BBC nothing. If war becomes general, expect a total clamp down on media, including unexplained internet selective blocking. RT is target number one. SUpport the Troops baby. I wonder how the Rag Head shooters are feeling about going in against Russian troops on Russian home soil.

Yesterday the official organization of Immigrant Workers in Russia, several million in all, petitioned the Russian government for the right to serve in the Russian military. Saying "All people inside Russia must rise to it's defense".

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:09 | 4661438 mccvilb
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Hey, isn't it about time for the Scud Stud, Arthur Kent, and his Sky Reporter team to make an appearance?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:29 | 4661532 uranian
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Blocking DNS servers is the most straightforward way to do this, as Turkey did recently when they attempted to ban twitter. So, a couple of solutions; know the IP address of the sites you want to visit (185.32.215.119  is ZH, for example), and/or use DNScrypt, and/or use one of the free VPNs. Softether is worth knowing about, too. I learnt about some of these tools a few years back in conspiracy class, never thought we'd actually reach the stage where I'd be sharing them in case WW3 does break out.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:01 | 4660959 AGORACOM
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I'd like to see video confirmation ... anybody can send an image of a fighter jet ... We have an airshow in Toronto every year, doesn't mean the Americans are invading.

 

George ... The Greek ... From Canada

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:16 | 4661073 AGORACOM
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OK ... that was fast ... ZH just posted this http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/su-27-fighter-jet-above-kramato...

George ... The Greek ... From Canada

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:43 | 4661891 mccvilb
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This looks like a model airplane my kid brother built without following the directions.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:02 | 4660968 the not so migh...
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my guess a Kiev nazi jet

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:03 | 4660973 snoozinjoe
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Vlad will back down.  Count on it.  He blinks next. Not saying whether its good or bad, I just don't see him pushing this further. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:04 | 4660994 Cygnus Nigri
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He doesn't really strike me as a backing down kinda guy...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:05 | 4661000 FilthyHabits
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Vlad wants this war.... I don't think he is just going to go half tilt, he isn't that kind of man.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:06 | 4661002 icanhasbailout
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Why not? He's just gotten an engraved invitation to take three eastern provinces.

 

This new Ukrainian government is deliberately provoking further Russian responses. That's the key driver of the situation. It's not a legitimate government and has every appearance of being a CIA operation. So the real question here is why do they want to lose a war so badly?

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:21 | 4661037 Savvy
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Damn good question. hmmmm

 

edit

Because they know they've lost already? EU must be desperate by now.

 

another edit

Putin won't do a thing but shut off the LNG. Check.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:24 | 4661131 NotApplicable
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You mean lose a battle or two, which will become the casus belli for the real war.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:27 | 4661155 Joe A
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Because the CIA wants to drive a wedge between the EU and Russia so that the EU will support an intervention in Syria because the EU countries need gas. After Syria, Iran is up next. All part of the big game of who gets to control Euasia: the US and its client state the EU or Russia/China/India.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:20 | 4661106 johnnyarrowmaker
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History, my boy is destined to repeat itself, and history seems to be on the side of the Russian Bear.

Ask yourself, when was the last time you decided to face down a Russian? Maybe in the US the Russians aren't there, so it can be hard to understand just how uncivilised they can be when challenged.

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 15:37 | 4662372 Flagit
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oh yea? ill see your uncivilised and raise you 22¢.

 

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Soda-Tax-Prompts-Chicago-Man-to-Pul...

This "is my neighborhood, I’m tax exempt!"

and its all beacuse of that damn rancher!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:31 | 4661548 Blano
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Yeah just like all the other times he's blinked.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:03 | 4660976 intric8
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Obozo and staff all high fiving right now, got the central bankers another war

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 15:34 | 4662367 Perfecthedge
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One more reason to SABOTAGE these fuckers and stop paying taxes and loans back.  Just stop the money flow.  Not one dime into loan payment - if EVERYBODY would do this, they would run out of money to go to war, oh....they have the printing presses....never mind. 

Long on cyanide pills then

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 15:34 | 4662368 Perfecthedge
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One more reason to SABOTAGE these fuckers and stop paying taxes and loans back.  Just stop the money flow.  Not one dime into loan payment - if EVERYBODY would do this, they would run out of money to go to war, oh....they have the printing presses....never mind. 

Long on cyanide pills then

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:03 | 4660977 PlusTic
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looks israeli on first blush...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 13:16 | 4661775 Deepskyy
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Not to interupt your anti Israel party with facts... but the first jet is an SU-27 Flanker, the second one is an SU-25 Frogfoot, neither of which are fielded by the IAF.

 

The Flanker is an air superiority fighter, but has multirole capability due to its variants.

 

The Frogfoot is a CAS fighter, similar to our A-10 platform. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:03 | 4660978 A_Nejad
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OK, it's in the microwave now...

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:03 | 4660979 Charles The Ham...
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My guess is the CIA has a few MIGs and they are stirring up all kinds of pots.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:08 | 4661018 Notsobadwlad
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Was wondering the same thing. I am sure the Russians can figure out who they were originally sold to ... if they want to figure it out, and my guess is that they will not. Because this is a "staged" event agreed upon between Russia and the west and at the direction of their combined master. 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:06 | 4660985 JustObserving
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one of the jets was allegedly taken down

A hot war igniting on the edge of Russia with the CIA chief just having visited Kiev under a false name and his visit was initially vehemently denied.

And the half a billion dollar slam on gold this morning was the ultimate confirmation, if you needed any.

Things will be heating up fast.

Thank you, Nobel Prize Winner.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:25 | 4661523 zerozulu
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Damn those face recognition software.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:04 | 4660987 estoniantiger
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Okay East vs West, game on

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:04 | 4660988 rsnoble
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No! Absolutely not!  No civil wars, no defaults, no stock declines, no recessions..............

 

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:33 | 4661192 Sabibaby
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Then there better be skittle shitting unicorns!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:05 | 4660991 Dr. Engali
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If you ever doubted the fact that Drudge is a neo-con mouth piece then look at the headline and remove all doubt:

Kiev Stands up to Moscow

http://www.drudgereport.com/

 

This is the actual Reuters headline:

 

Russia says Ukraine close to civil war as Kiev begins offensive
Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:09 | 4661024 JustObserving
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Drudge has always been a neocon propaganda site masquerading as a libertarian site.  When I need an emetic, I read Drudge.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:12 | 4661040 Thermopylae
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And the MSM is reporting the following:

MSNBS - Boston Marathon, 1yr later

CNN - All planes to be tracked in future by GPS

FOX - Repubs looking for truce with Tea Party

 

Unfuckingbelievable!

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 12:37 | 4661584 mccvilb
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Well the MSM strategy has failed, and failed miserably. Chickens are home and roosting. Yahoo news comments which have to my recollection always been populated by pro-zionist and pro-MIC factions are running unapologetically pro-Putin and 5 to 1 against US involvement in the Ukraine. The Bundy Syndrome gone national.

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:34 | 4661161 NuYawkFrankie
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Re Drudge - Neocon mouthpiece,

He IS a "tribe member" after all....

Tue, 04/15/2014 - 11:04 | 4660996 Charles The Ham...
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The youtube videos from this are going to be epic by the way

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