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NATO To Boost Air, Warship Presence Around Russia; Netherlands May Deploy F-16s To Ukraine
If there is was one way to assure a certain escalation in Ukraine hostilities beyond what has already happened, it is for NATO to do precisely what Russia warned it should not do: build up its presence in the surrounding countries. Which is why we find it somewhat puzzling that NATO announced it would do just this when as the Guardian reported, the military alliance said it would step up its presence around Russian borders to "reassure eastern European member states."
The reinforcements on Nato's eastern flank will take the form of more air patrols over the Baltic states, greater numbers of warships in both the Baltic and eastern Mediterranean, and more troops deployed in eastern Europe.
The Nato buildup will also involve the redeployment of warships, some of them now participating in counter-piracy operations off Somalia, to the Baltic and the Mediterranean. A Nato official said the details of the naval measures were still being discussed.
The Nato commander in Europe, General Philip Breedlove, said several Nato member states had offered ground troops for deployment in eastern European member states and that he would be soon making recommendations on how they should be positioned. Breedlove said that the situation represented more than a crisis, adding: "For Nato, it's bigger than that. It's a paradigm shift."
It goes without saying that to Russia this will be seen as a hostile move on behalf of the western countries, which is why Breedlove said "he had attempted to call the Russian chief of general staff, Valery Gerasimov, to explain that the deployments were entirely defensive but had not been able to reach him."
Did he at least leave a voicemail explaining why the piling up of new troops is not to be seen as an offensive meneuver?
Furthermore, that this is happening today is no accident: tomorrow is the official start of international talks on the Ukrainian crisis in Geneva, and the NATO action is a way to increase pressure on Moscow. However, as has been seen repeatedly in the past month, the Kremlin does not handly increased pressure easily and instead, usually finds a way to re-escalate on its own.
What is the thinking behind what can only be classified as a short-sighted move? "A spokesperson for the US secretary of state, John Kerry, said his primary goal was to persuade Moscow to halt its destabilising activities in eastern Ukraine, and call publicly for separatist groups to disarm and stand down."
And just in case NATO's open action is not clear, "EU officials in Brussels said the list of Russians subject to visa bans and asset freezes would be expanded by the end of the week. The US state department also signalled it would co-ordinate a further tightening of sanctions with its European partners, but not before the Geneva talks."
"Don't expect any before tomorrow's meetings," Marie Harf, deputy spokesperson at the state department, said. "But if there are not steps taken by Russia to de-escalate, we will take additional steps, including additional sanctions."
The negotiations will bring together Kerry, his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, the Ukrainian foreign minister, Andrii Deshchytsia, and the EU's Ashton. It will mark the first time the quartet has met since the Ukrainian crisis erupted in February.
In addition to one four-way encounter, Kerry will conduct separate bilateral meetings with Lavrov, Deshchytsia and Ashton. Western officials, however, cautioned that the talks were unlikely to bring a diplomatic breakthrough.
Harf said that "top of the list" of US demands would be that Russia halt what the US alleges are destabilising activities in eastern Ukraine. The US wants Russia to publicly call on separatists exerting control in cities in eastern Ukraine to disarm and stand down.
Of course, in case Russia also misses all of this because nobody could reach the Russian chief of staff on the phone, the Netherlands announced it is looking into the deployment of F16 fighter jets as Ukraine crisis air support "to try and ease the conflict around Ukraine, defence minister Jeanine Hennis told a television talk show on Tuesday night.
While there is no question of Nato military action against Russia, ‘we want to be very visible as support to our Eastern allies’, the minister told the Pauw & Witteman show.
With orange colored F-16s it will be very difficult not to be visible:
The defence minister added: "We are looking at how we can increase our air support or sea support in, say, the Baltic or the Black Sea region,’ she said. ‘We are members of an alliance for a reason and we will take our responsibilities.'Asked specifically what form Dutch air support could take, the minister said 'it could mean sending an F16.'
Surely the expansion of NATO forces in the region will promptly force Russia to back down. In the off chance it doesn't, one wonders how NATO will respond if Russia instead adds some more tactical nukes to its arsenal along the Polish border. Puredly defensively of course. Will that, in turn, force NATO to back down? Somehow we doubt it.
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Yes, and Russian elephants are the tallest, fastest and bravest elephants in the world.
useless talkings You know nothing about Russia......
Of course, no one does, and no one cares about the biggest banana republic in the world.
Idiots are the same everywhere - whether they are in N. Korea glorifying the best male haircut of their Great Leader or in Russia, brainlessly repeating what they just heard on the Channel 1 documentary.
...and they still kicked Georgian ass in a most righteous way.
Best take note of that...they fucking cleaned their clocks big time. Foot to ass, old school.
Funny, the Dutch are are an exception to the "energy rule" over there (they have it), yet they ride bicycles. In the long-run they'll do better than most; if, that is, their F-16 doesn't do any heroic work...
Holland just sold off all their tanks. I think by sending the F-16's they just try to get rid of those too. They can't be blamed, why would anybody want to invade a country full of retarded morons and criminal Moroccons? You might just as well sell the army then, there is nothing there to loot.
but they keep the best pot for themselves
Maybe they need it more than anybody else? What else can you do if you live in a foreign country and it's the only country that you can consider 'yours'?
The so called Ukrainian "army" is a joke and the Neo-Fascist junta in Kiev controls no territory outside of Western Ukraine.
It's simply time for Putin to put these sick dogs out of their misery.
Pro tip: Day-glow neon orange is NOT a good color for a figher jet.
It's actually hunter's orange, meaning 'Don't Shoot!'
I'm just glad that the bilions spent on the creation of WWIII won't be going to any social programs in the US. Otherwise, we might descend into Socialism.
I feel like this is 1984. Incessent warfare is being waged against distant nations for no purpose other than to maintain the incomprehensible power of the plutocrats while every free thought is drowned by mass ignorance and propaganda.
Many people here seem confused. NATO is a defensive alliance and Ukraine is not a member. In other words, it's not about Ukraine but a message for Russia not to go any further. NATO can't and doesn't want to do anything about Ukraine. All they want is that western Ukraine stays orients towards the EU.
Why do you think NATO can't do anything?
There are multiple recent events where international law proved to be just dead letters on a piece of paper.
Slavs do not think like the Anglo - Saxons .
Nips or eastern generalized so do not think any sense in the understanding of anyone as well as Jews and Arabs (who are also the same) .
Not much to say.
Unless BRICS .
The path is coming in these countries .
Understanding , fair game without banksters creating ways to make money without producing a grain of rice .
The end of the stock exchanges close , which will be worth what each country produces ( and sells currency in your sweat and toil of citizens ) .
Fat people have to work to eat outside the state expense .
" Rich " people have to apologize in force and will be pursued in each island tax haven as the pirates were in the 1700s .
I pity those who are away from home .
I pray that when the shit grabbing that U.S. citizens spread over 700 military bases around the world , have arms to swim back to their families .
The thing is getting ugly .
:-)
All I know is... my investment Thesis, not practice, for the last couple years has been to buy BA, NOC, etc. or XAR. Eventually, I'll get it right.
Eastern Europe Netherlands Somalia Ukraine
where's the link to Somalia?
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/true-story-black-hawk-down/
A metaphor for Ukraine.
France
There's better ways than to beat the war drums.
History is a good indicator of how countries have done when trying to beat Russia and it's people.
Vikings kicked the piss out of them...for a while....then decided to go native.
Before long , the imbeciles CIA will launch the "search for Elena " in Ukraine .
I read the girl to 16 years in Networking , look who is :
Elena Vladimirovna Filatova ( Russian: ????? ???????? , Ukrainian: ????? ????????????? ???????? , born 1974 in Ukraine, Soviet Union ) is a Ukrainian motorcyclist and photographer who uses the online nickname " KiddOfSpeed ??" . In 2004 , she gained internet fame after publishing online a photo -essay presented as solo motorcycle rides through Chernobyl 's zone of alienation . [ 1 ] His website gained popularity due to its mention on Slashdot and other sources of online news . Soon after its publication, the veracity of their website has been questioned ( see claims Hoax ) . [ 2 ] Filatova also made photo- documentary of the history of Kiev area on the Orange Revolution and on historic "Wall Snake " defensive earthworks of the city and its role in fighting there during World War II sites .
hehe .
Kiev Ukraine losing troops faster than they can lie about it...http://windowstorussia.com/
TPTB NEED BLOOD. HOLLAND NEED BLOOD. NATO NEED BLOOD. THE USSA NEED BLOOD.
Just let them taste their blood... the very real blood of their own!!!
Holland doesn't need blood. Holland has bud.
What utter nonsense. Russia knows that any military movements by NATO are not offensive because Nato is not capable of any serious threat. It is all eyewash and silly posturing for domestic consumption. Germany is the only country with any kind of real ability and that is limited to defense of their own borders. NATO is supposed to be an "Organization", but organizations must have a capable leader. Obama is no leader so it follows that America is a paper tiger and NATO is useless. Giving peace a chance was only possible when our country had a military that was big enough and in positions to take actions and it worked very well for Europe for over 50 years. The present state of affairs is the direct result of democrat so called smart diplomacy. This is exactly what obama said he wanted. He does tell the truth on occasion. another example of his honesty was about coal plants closing or going bankrupt.
what kind of weed you just smoked dude? lets know we wanna have a taste too
YyyAAAAwwwwwNNNNNn.
Nowl lets see here, what happening that is really important besides another distraction?
Hummmm....ahhh that's it!
Moar crime and corruption being exposed, thus pushing the balances of truth and justice ever more into the favor of the People, and not the babylonians.
Yaayyyyyyyy for all the good peoples!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/shocking-bundy-ranch-standoff-linked-co...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ92eBC9ic4
And even moar on the highest of all cover-ups.:
http://investmentwatchblog.com/a-stock-market-crash-is-imminent-we-are-i...
Will you STOP fucking trying to hijack EVERY fucking thread with this shit?
Just like in Bosnia, Holland needs to 'do something'. We all know how well that ended in Bosnia. Holland has sold all its tanks and spends very little on defense. Our F16s are supposed to be replaced by the JSF -which is a disaster already- and I guess the government is looking for a way to get rid of the F16s cause they won't be a match for the modern Russian fighters. Our government is already the most incompetent and most hated government since WWII and they are not making themselves more popular if they want to station F16s in a non NATO country in a conflict which is not ours. Our defense ministers are notoriously incompetent figures who know nothing of armies and conflict.
The JSF aka F-35 is a piece of garbage. It would be ripped to shreds by the Russian Su27/29/30s and newest variants. The F-16 is better than the F-35. Stealth is a fraud. The Russian S300/400/500 AA missiles will make quick work of phony stealth. Even Pierre Sprey, who worked on the F-16, says stealth is a fraud.
"Our defense ministers are notoriously incompetent figures who know nothing of armies and conflict."
Nothing wrong with that. Just stay the fuck away from getting in OTHER people's wars.
Netherlands is NEVER going to be a military threat. I wouldn't take that as a bad thing.
No threat? Dumb like cheese and with nukes in Volkel airbase...
I doubt that they'd even get that far, which pretty much leaves it to an offensive stance, where, again, huh?
Unless you knock out all the RADAR, deploying aircraft to a war zone is very risky. ECM must be extensive and widespread. Before going into Iraq many missiles were launched to render them blind and deaf by knocking out every electronic site. This is not possible in this situation. Remember that we did all the airstrikes in Libya, a third rate or less military opponent. This is what you can expect from a president that has not a clue, and equally ignorant advisors. The Russian military is not celebrating gay marriage and diversity, their military does not do social engineering. When the nukes land here, i hope New York and San Francisco get hit first. Survivors can and will blame the republicans.
"This is what you can expect from a president that has not a clue, and equally ignorant advisors. The Russian military is not celebrating gay marriage and diversity, their military does not do social engineering."
Another homophobe. Ever consider that the US military was running out of cannon fodder? It had gotten to the point they were bringing in gang bangers.
PTOUS doesn't call the shots, sorry.
Fucking Party Pussy...
An old joke states that Swiss German Prince Wilhelm Hohenzollern once, while visiting Switzerland, was invited to attend one of the numerous military that citizens of this country are undergoing training. At one point he asked the commander of the exercise: How many men under arms you possess? He was told: One million. The prince, later Kaiser of Germany, then asked: What would you do if my five million soldiers crossed its border tomorrow? When the Swiss commander replied: Each of my men would give five shots and go home!
:-)
Marijuana + cocaine + opiate + ecstasy + TV = homosexuality.
Discipline + study + family + information + religion = conscious citizen.
Where I live, black is still black, still fagot fagot, this politically correct thing does not exist.
I have said that those who do not like fuck.
:-)
ass:
Unfortunately I have to report this link:
http://books.google.com.br/books/about/Popular_Mechanics.html?id=49gDAAA...
Maybe you read to turn an illustrious ass.
Most of these magazines have here on my bookshelf, was my grandfather.
:-)
warmonger, murderer, and 5th column traitor "obama" who is a ziocon project will guarantee ww3 and nuclear weapons use which the terrorist state of israel has already used in the middle east, and the usa supported al qaeda in syria. usa = terrorism...the ziocons will not rest until syria, iran, and ukraine are under ziocon/usa control. these genocidal ziocon freaks must be stopped.
'it could mean sending an F16.'
One whole F-16?
Wow.....
Don't kid yourself, it's got racing stripes and everything!
Did you know that those S-400 anti-aircraft missiles fly at 3 miles per second?
Just a bit of trivia, there.
NATO has gone rogue.
The Ukrainian army is unwilling to shoot civilians despite the orders from an insane neo nazi coup installed government.
There are no Russian troops in E Ukraine.
This is just an excuse to steal from Russians.
USSA/ZATO: The Voracious Beast That Never Sleeps
With the Appetite that just keeps growing and growing...
WOS - War On Serbia
WOT - War OF Terror
WOR - War On Russia
WOA - War on Americans (since 2008)
For some strange reason these two informative pages no longer work
www.jsmineset.com
Jim Sinclairs page and
www.bullionbullscanada.com
another great info site.
@ Latitude25
www.bullionbullscanada.com is still there; yet www.jsmineset.com has the "Error 522 Connection timed out"
Your link doesn't work for me for bullionbullscanada. My links don't work either.
Guess the "green men" will be engaging Dutch in Ukrainian uniforms next...
Doesnt seem unreasonable at all, have you been watching what Russia are doing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17lkdqoLt44
UNSURVIVABLE: Short nuclear warfare docu
Trust the 'freaky -deaky' Dutch!
Trust the 'freaky-deaky' Dutch!
Sorry, it wasn't even funny the first time.
Im glad i dont live in Holland any more.
Dumb shitspot on the map thinks to be important, with a minister of defence , a woman, who never EVER shot a single gun , and the one before her was never in the army too as he refused to do so.
Pathetic arrogant counntry.
Never forget what happened in srebrenica...under their fucking watch!
Aren't you the manly man!
At the end of the day that is NATO's MO. Obviously its not for stability or any of that rubbish. Its to help the banksters who want the pipelines. These criminals are getting desperate. Wolfs in Sheep clothings is about to make historical debut.