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Tanks Flying Russian Flag Enter East Ukraine City
Update: UKRAINE DEFENCE MINISTRY CONFIRMS THAT SIX ARMOURED PERSONEL CARRIERS SEIZED BY PRO-RUSSIAN FORCES ON WEDNESDAY... so, defected?
The latest development in the ongoing Ukraine escalation are reports that in the aftermath of yesterday's crackdown by Ukraine special forces against "separatists" in Krematorsk and other occupied eastern cities, in an operation which involved fighter jets and helicopters, that an armored column of military vehicles flying a Russian flag and carrying dozens of heavily armed fighters motored into the city of Slavyansk early Wednesday.
Clip summarizing the situation from AP:
The WSJ adds that "it wasn't immediately clear whether the men were Russian soldiers or local militants who had gotten their hands on military vehicles." Curiously a soldier on one said the unit was part of the 25th brigade of Ukraine's airborne forces that had switched sides and was joining the pro-Russian forces, but that couldn't be immediately confirmed."
Additional photos of the Russian-flag bearing tanks:
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More from the WSJ:
All of the men appeared to be wearing military uniforms without insignia, similar to the heavily armed uniformed men who have seized government building around the region.
Six vehicles took up positions in the center of the city outside the city council building, and dozens of men in fatigues, balaclava masks and carrying automatic weapons milled around. A crowd of about 200 locals gathered around the vehicles and began cheering when one of them showed off by driving in tight circles.
While it is unknown if Russia troops are actually operating in Ukraine - something we doubt as it would give the west far greater ammo in the campaign to demonize the "Russian invasion" - it appears that the next standoff between Ukraine soldiers and separatists will be violent and quite bloody, and explains why earlier today Russia's foreign minister said:
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The spin on my local tv station is that the Russians are invading Ukraine lol
If only someone somewhere would start shooting.
I wonder when it will come out he Putin caught Obama's Brown Shirts trying to influence the decision to join the EU or not. Seems to me this all about Putin saying "Oh really, screw you".
Another day, another pathetic screw up by this administration.
As the old saying goes.. In a war the first thing killed is the truth.
In Soviet Ukraine, Russia invades you!
(Sorry, can't do it as well as Boris Alotov)
These are not tanks, they are APVs.
They are Ukrainian APV's flying Russian flags having defected to join the seperatist movement.
Exactly. The south east Ukrainians want to be free of the Kiev Kriminals, of 120% increases in gas prices, 50% pension cuts, wage freezes, currency controls, huge tax increases, all to pay off the IMF/USSA.
They are Ukrainian APV's flying Russian flags having defected to join the seperatist movement.
Item on BBC World Service, shows Ukrainian soldiers confronting mothers in Eastern Ukraine village and then deciding to join the villagers.
"You stupid boys! Nyet, Nyet, Nyet!", "What would your grandmother say?", etc, etc...
CNN NEWSFLASH::: Obviously these old women are elite KGB operatives, conducting horrific acts of phychological terrorism/WMD.
these old folks are dangeus
Freedom comes in different shapes, like one MPV at a time.
Shame that SU-27 pilot didn't land in Russia.
"Here Mr. Putin, may I present you with Ukraine's only functioning SU-27."
Russia is likely paying for it just as a lot of Polish military gear has been paid for by the American taxpayer in return for "jobs" in key Congressional districts.
Russia probably has a somewhat similar job-creation project of their own.
Very interesting, all these insignia less "fighters". It looks like wars are goign to get more and more mercenary fought on the ground and pilot-lessly from air and sea.
How convenient, changes the meaning of everything in the "theater" of war.
Asynchronous warfare FTW!
In case you were not mad enough...
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/the-pharmacopic-scam-lies-exp...
ori
Standard Soviet (and later former Soviet successor states, i.e. Russia, Ukraine, etc) military protocol to have "sterilized" uniforms when in a combat theater. Look at photos from Afghanistan, the conflict in Chechnya (wars 1 and 2), the activity in Georgia in 2008, or basically anytime, any FSU military force is involved in a "hot zone", they wear sterilized uniforms. No rank, no branch of service tabs, no insignia, no unit patches, no flags, maybe if you are lucky you will spot a cap pin of some kind. It has been that way for them since WW2, standard operational proceedure.
As explained to me years ago, you already know the men in your unit and your superiors on sight, you do not need "battlefield bling" to identify them. You do not take orders from 'superiors' not in your unit/chain of command, either. So the bling only serves to give your opponents information about your forces and their dispositions, to make you more visible, and to make obvious leadership into sniper bait. US special forces do the same when operating outside of FOB.
^THIS^
Nothing more than sound OPSec
http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/10657/did-american-forces-spe...
The following passage is from "To Be A Military Sniper" - Gregory Mast, Hans Halberstadt
General David Morgan, cousin of the legendary Daniel Boone and one of the most gifted battlefield tacticians in the Continental army, was one of the first colorful characters to become associated with the development of sniping. In July 1775 he raised a company of marksmen that became known as Morgan's Riflemen, which he led with distinction during the disastrous invasion of Canada later that year. He was captured during the expedition against Quebec, led by Col. Benedict Arnold, and promoted to colonel after his release from captivity in January 1777. He was assigned to raise and lead a new regiment, the 11the Virginia Regiment, which he filled with four hundred of the finest marksman he could find. Later that year, he made his mark in sniping history when he reluctantly ordered one of his men, Timothy Murphy, to shoot Gen. Simon Fraser during the Battle of Bemis Heights on October 7, 1777. General Fraser was rallying the British troops during the battle when Murphy's rifle mortally wounded him. Fraser was just one man but he was worth a regiment of troops and removing him from the battle was instrumental in the American victory.
The Americans targeted officers at least once. A sniper at Saratoga, armed with a rifle and lodged in a tree, shot British officers and was instrumental in the American victory. The sniper is reportedly named Timothy Murphy.
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This is an excerpt from the Wikipedia article:
Have you ever been hit with a broom handle? They hurt. Beware of the angry elderly.
Don't work over here in USA - broom handles are all plastic and made in China. Walmart brooms = no good for revolution.
Witches and warlocks are pretty ineffective with plastic brooms too ;-)
ori
Oh no!
It's the dreaded "Babushka Gap".
I guess this video sums it all up who is in control currently in Ukraine. Sad to watch how a nation with 45 million people has no future.
http://armadamarkets.blogspot.com/2014/04/as-forex-markets-are-trying-to...
It's apparent that some of the Ukrainians understand what the US has been doing to countries for the last 30+ years.
Destroying them.
UKRAINE DEFENCE MINISTRY CONFIRMS THAT SIX ARMOURED PERSONEL CARRIERS SEIZED BY PRO-RUSSIAN BABUSHKAS
>> "seized"
i didn't realize that baghdad bob is now employed by the Kiev bunker regime... well, the coming epic collapse of the banker regime in kiev should be nothing if not entertaining. Next up, desperate attempts to get the Russians to attack... which seems more than unlikely as there is no need to fire a single shot as anyone in Eastern Ukraine with a brain wants to cut ties with Kiev.
Putin is simply looking for those WMDs....
Baghdad Bob is a fixture in every regime, as the 'comedy of the absurdly inept' is an excellent defensive diversion.
Ask him any question you want, and it won't matter what the answer is because it's nothing but a tacky facade.
Not:
You just gave me a new understanding of Jay Carney . . .
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Seized in Kramotorsk.
To be fair Babushkas were masked heavily armed men who seemingly appeared unexpectedly for Ukranian military after the battle for Kramotors airport was over.
Finally. ............................ Some smart women
Old women can perform brutal psyops of nagging and guilt trips, the Ukrainians probably defected to just shut them the fuck up.
Exactly, they turn up with instructions from the new leadership in Kiev to apply law and order and are confronted with...
"Ivan, what are you doing?" "You silly boy, leave that flag alone."
"Your mother is looking for you" "Why haven't you called her"
"Who has been ironing your trousers?" "Where is your scarf? You look cold, come inside and have some soup. Your uncle is on his way home, he wants to talk to you"
Blah blah blah...
And that's how highly sophisticated CIA plan was undone. Babushka is a secret psychological KGB operative.
Occ: Please tell me that news flash was a sarc . . .
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Yeah, on the back of U.S. taxpayers too!
$1 Billion to those fuckers!
Fuck you to hell John McCain!
Good thing its not real money.....
Right, the current Kiew leader don't look very inspiring..and EU and US don't seem to fetch that a Ukrainian Federation is probably the best they can get...
all to pay off the IMF/USSA...
Yeah, but weren't they gonna be able to use moar borrowed money to service the debt? Whatta deal!
Without an eventual and certain jubilee clause at the initiation of any debt, the prospect of freedom and hope is absolutely meaningless. Hence the "need" for war / hostilities. Rule of law is great if one were able to abide by the rules of the contract, including dissolution, end tbtf NOW!
jmo.
Oh, and one more thing, the right to speak the language of their choice, without criminal sanction by the Kiev Putchists.
No, they are APCs.
Nuland/Nudelman and the state department cronies underestimated the desire of south east Ukrainians to be free of the USSA's Kiev's proxies.
Where is Nuland hiding out these days? She got this thing started, now she's nowhere to be seen. Probably off looking to start a fight someplace else.
Having a liver sandwich in Syria.
isn't the underlying plan being missed here?:
The US forces the Russian bear into a defensive position while the US sells it as an "offensive". This then sells the "GOOD AMERICA" meme that will defend all the Europeans who may have thought about all those negative things such as spying and what not. "See, we need the good ol' USA after all!, isn't great all our gold is in NY is safe hands?" Wow.... those USA folks are just the best friend a Nation can have!!
Nuland was right after all, we will (mind) fuck EU (one way or another).
WAT??? Put down the Kool-Aid!
They are absolutely BANKING on this desire, as they desperately need a hot war to cover their tracks.
Hegel 101: It's never that action that matters, but the REACTION. ALWAYS!
If you're set out on destroying any competition to your global dominance, then activation energy (ala "desire") is your best friend.
I'll remind you that Nuland et al. will NOT be the ones suffering for their "failure" to successfully install new puppets.
I think it's safe to say large numbers of the Ukrainian military will follow the example of their Admirals and simply join the Ukrainian separatists who are seeking to seceed into the arms of Russia, ships, tanks, jet included.
Oh well, Putin doesn't even have to fire a shot, or even set a single boot onto the soil of Eastern Ukraine.
Yeah. Who knows, the BLM forces might just defect to the ranchers now!
Americans live in a time warp. Used to be that everyone wanted to be an American. Americans still think it is so, and wonder why half of Ukraine wants to be Russian. Even Americans don't want to be American any more, since being an American means your mail is searched, your internet is monitored, your every move is surveilled, you are groped and cavity searched in transport, and your government is a criminal gang out for personal profit and totalitarian control over everything.
Ouch!
The truth really does hurt.
forward:
Doesn't hurt me . . . just makes me more determined to be one of the thousand cuts that brings the monster down.
Note to MSM: You always take such pride in displaying the material wealth of the deposed - how about showing us all the things Moochele has "collected" as First Lady. Amelia Marcos will be jealous . . .
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+1, but her name was Imelda Marcos.
Imelda Marcos.
and your government is hate around the World not because of your freedom, but because they are looting and killing everywhere.
They didn't want to be an American, they simply wanted to live like an American starting with a big car!
The "American Dream": Everyone can have more than their share.
No, no ... don't bother to think about it or you'll only get all confuzzled. Just reach out and grab yours while the grabbing's good!
The Russians are coming!!!
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_16/Ukrainian-troops-fly-Russian-flags-to-deceive-protesters-in-order-to-penetrate-Kramatorsk-Batkivshchyna-party-leader-0039/
During hostilities, being of the flag of one country and flying the flag of another I believe is cause for execution on the spot.
Chapaev's ghost - Oh I am still an American, but I just don't know what government I belong to anymore. Some say the Republic of the United States of America died with the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913 granting a seed signed by Woodrow Wilson to control America by the Rothchild family. Some say it was the during the depression of the early 1930's when America went into debt and became the corporation of the United States. I say the Republic died in the late 1990's when decisions were finalized to have China become the reserve currency host. Our political leadership sure sold out for a song all along the way.
For a short time it almost looks like the American people vs. the Rountable of 9 (House of Rothchild) and then betrayals of hidden international agreements between the EU/Britain, China and Russia. I think it is going to get very messy the next several years.
Get the three BBB's (bullets,bullion,gold) and other preparations. This has all be foretold a long time ago and the patterns of our behavior are mirrored in nature such as cardinals and blue jays or subatomic particles. Some like to add in correlations of astrology and numerology as well. 2012 was the Year of the Dragon for example in the Chinese Zodiac. 2015 is the Year of the Ram. Or study history and see how it gets messy when the reserve currency peg host goes from one to another as it has gone to China as the IMF declared. As Mark Twain once said "History may not repeat but it does rythme."
Lots can and does go wrong during reserve currency host transfers. Didn't you all wonder why our leadership seemed to basically just hand over our entire country to China? All our wealth production capability in manufacturing, the gold, military secrets including supercomputers, the Chinese espionage at Los Alamos in the 1990's (nuclear bomb secrets) and missle technology secrets? I have stated here since 2008 China will become reserve currency. Follow the money too! The Internet is a giant mirror, all secrets are going to come out and boy are some US leadership in deep SHIT.
All who attempt to conquer the world for selfish gain and power-mongering control instead of collaberating together to unify it for benefit fail! Success in a global empire is lasting 80 years. The US had the reserve currency for 80 years beginning in 1932. Now the Chinese have. 80 years! The meaning of 666 of Monarchy, of the Pyramid is monarchy, the Seal of Nero, the empire of Rome and the revitalized Roman empire that also does not last. This new global empire is going to last about less than 3 1/2 years, that is another fail! It ends in WW3. The unbrave 300 of the CFR and other clubs won't be emerging to reclaim the world to rebuild it after. Where will they flee to after 1/3 on earth die, the moon? Too much will have transpired and there will be too many questions by the remaining populations in regards culpability .
All families on earth will lose loved on between now and 2022. God bless people of all peoples in all nations. Don't let them fool you to be cannon fodder for there conquest. Stay politically neutral.
dupe
and every thought and word you experience is monitored for political correctness, diversity and conformity
Russian military pensions commence at age 40. In Ukraine the age of eligibilty is 60. Plus the wage scale in the Russian military is roughly twice that of the Ukraine and the state is not a fiscal bankrupt so there is some certainty that pensions and wages can actually be paid.
The real problem is Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine in which a number of external players will use this situation to advance their own interests. Since there are a lot of competing interests there is no telling how this will play out. The most limited outcome would be a hot civil war confined to Ukraine. I doubt it will stop there. I think we get to celebrate the outbreak of WW1 with a re-run.
Thanks! If that stuff about military pensions and pay is true (would appreciate links) it would go a LONG way explaining what's going on in SE Ukraine. People tend to overlook all this 'micro' stuff in favour of grander explanations.
I doubt we'll get a repeat of WWI, not with nuclear powers involved. It'll either be WW3 or itty-bitty proxy wars that kill a 'only' few thousands/tens of thousands.
Frankly, I hope for the rest of humanity Russia and China crash the USD ASAP so all this US meddling comes to an abrupt end.
Amen, BigJim.
Not sure where I found the pension info. Suspect it was at the Saker web site. He has a list of links of varied sources of Ukrainian status info here:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/04/fyi-news-sources-about-russia-a...
Plus he runs daily situation reports which aggregate information from local blogs and similar sources. More detailed than ZH with a more detailed play by play and light years beyond anything available in western MSM.
I wasn't proposing a re-run of WW1 but rather a replay of the same mechanisms that launched that war. Basically you had a large number of players all blindly pursuing their own agendas with no thought of potential blowback or the type of responses they would trigger through their actions.
With the current Ukrainian situation the best outcome is a local civil war and the worst outcome is beyond anyone's imagining.
Even a civil war will result in thousands of deaths. Contemplate what happens if the conflict continues until winter, the gas is shut off or the pipelines breeched, the failure of infrastructure, the follow on effects on the citizens of Ukraine not to mention the impacts on an EU already teetering on the brink of dissolution.
Nuland's FUCK THE EU comment may be much more prophetic than she realized.
+100
Sushi very well said!
Ps Thanks for the link
You really summed it up with this sentence:
" Basically you had a large number of players all blindly pursuing their own agendas with no thought of potential blowback or the type of responses they would trigger through their actions."
We have been witnessing this same scenario play out time and again in various parts of the world, as things get worse everywhere.
Where on the globe do we find "improving situations"? Help me out here, as I can think of none. Watching the International news is kind of like watching a flushed toilet bowl swirling in slow-motion, as the contents start their certain journey to the sewer.
As a collector, I can say that the Ukrainian military is still equipped like it was 1993 still. They obviously haven't spent any real money on their military since the collapse of the Soviet Union......still wearing the same boots, same uniforms, same helmets, same rifles, same old armored vehicles (such as these APC's), same old body armor, barely improved loadbearing gear, same A.T. weapons, same old barracks, etc. The Russian troops have moved on several generations in the intervening decades. I would imagine it is much the same for the average Ukrainian as for the average Ukrainian soldier, i.e. things are better on the other side of the border.
I wasn't proposing a re-run of WW1 but rather a replay of the same mechanisms that launched that war. Basically you had a large number of players all blindly pursuing their own agendas with no thought of potential blowback or the type of responses they would trigger through their actions.
I like your attitude but totally disagree with your analysis. The start of WWI was totally orchestrated by the House of Rothschild and their royal minions. Sometimes psychopathy can appear like random stupidy. But all those Merovingean first cousins, King George, Kaiser Wilhelm, Tsar Nicholas remained on kissing terms during the war, though the royal family did change its name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor to make the scam less obvious.
Thats the story of the 20th century.
Don't start a war unless:
1) Its completely asymmetric. E.g. America vs the pirates of Somalia
or
2) You control both sides. E.g. WWI, WWII, Cold War, etc.
Not to mention that the odds of you surviving to collect a Ukraine military pension is likely considerably less than collecting on a Russian military pension.
Sushi - I agree but the ME war comes first, 2015. Reordering requires that piece to be settled first. See the MERS virus breaking out in Saudi Arabia?
That virus is a mutation of the Black Plague.
Let's keep our biology straight. The Black Plague ( Black Death, bubonic plague) was caused by a bacteria bacillus named Yersinia pestis. As a conspiracy theorist, I am loath to call anything impossible, but it would take the Hitchhicker's Guide Infinite Improbability Drive to convert this bacillus to a corona virus.
You do not need to take what's already yours.
In Russia, when truth, first thing killed is war.
Headbanger: "As the old saying goes.. In a war the first thing killed is the truth."
And the US mainstream media is Jack the Ripper.
Just as Dimitri Orlov predicted. Ukrainian military switches over to Russia, Russia waits out the eventual supply chain breakdown, Russian military re-suffles rank, divisions, and all that's left is a mop up operation rounding up and summarily executing any remaining neo-nazi gangbangers.
Well done Kiev.
Keep sending your precious military equipment eastwards.
Just don't expect it back.
LOL
Orlov about a month ago: www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCO5nZgvtbY
Indeed, a very insightful interview.
Oh; That "militart equipment" will be coming back!
"If you like our APC, you can keep it."
Optimist. But before we get too excited, are any of the "Ukrainians" and "Russians" speaking perfect English?
just curious.
LOL, only the ones who won't defect.
If there really were outside forces fighting there, I'd expect them to speak Arabic instead. Syria isn't working out too well, so perhaps a lot of the West's mercenaries have been "reassigned." That's not what's happening though of course. The MSM media can keep suggesting the forces in Eastern Ukraine are "terrorists" or others, but videos continue to prove otherwise. Russian people were already living there, and of course they'll naturally side with the Russians.
Hell, most 'Mericans don't speak "perfect English", but I know what you mean.
The only thing the Western system is good at now is purging competence and accountability from the halls of power, a total failure of jouranlistic integrity and printing more debt money.
Our future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
... and producing a high % of physically and intellectually soft citizens....
"is purging competence and accountability from the halls of power, a total failure of jouranlistic integrity and printing more debt money."
arent these the signs of every collapsing regime, since immemmorial time? Or is it possible people, like the ZH`ers, would like to work in governments or institutions that only fucks res publica and the interests of every human beings except the 1%?
Haus-Targaryen said: "If only someone somewhere would start shooting."
I know what you mean. Hate to see people die but the endless talk and no action in this world gets maddening.
The rat-tat-tat of tweets, fueselades of news reporter deployment, bombardments of politician pronouncments.
Cut the bullshit already, let's resolve something in this world.
so you are supporting his juvenile comment? "Hate to see people die but the endless talk and no action in this world gets maddening"
you two have clearly never seen a war zone. I wish I could send all people like you asking for moar "action" to the front
have you any idea how much laudable restraint is being exercised by all sides? how fewer deaths this means? "maddening"? what would be resolved by a civil war in Ukraine?
War is as natural as peace.
I don't disagree on that. Yet we have many centuries of restrained, "civilized" war to show against fewer unrestrained, "total" wars on this continent
and civil wars tend to be the nastiest of all. but I presume half of the readers of this comment don't even know what a Geneva Convention is, or think this is part of some conspiracy they vaguely heard of
you know what I find maddening? this proliferation of soldiers without insignia. a direct follow-up on the refusal of Bush II to conform to any "rules" of war, starting with the fact that he did not take POWs, only "enemy combatants"
don't wish for this kind of conflict. take it as a kind advice for your karmic balance or somethig
It also seems that the Russians have taken clues from William S. Lind's theory of '4th Generation Warfare.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_warfare
interesting, yet it could be seen as a way to weasel out of the fact that civilized warfare is called civilized (without sarcasm) because of the way the helpless and surrenders are handled. and it does make a difference, plenty of historic examples for that. not all conflicts should be treated as war, yet war itself is too important to be left to the weasels
It also seems that the Russians have taken clues from William S. Lind's theory of '4th Generation Warfare.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_warfare
"you know what I find maddening? this proliferation of soldiers without insignia."
If I were defecting, the first thing I'd do is remove my insignia. Also, take a look at the photos. Russians invading wouldn't be riding on APC's, they'd be riding IN them. Now look at the soldiers. Are they facing out, arms at the ready? Are they all wearing helmets? So what does that suggest?
Re " War is as natural as peace. "
Statements like this reveal too much Hollywood play-violence passed through your retinas.
btw, for anybody interested in a different POV, here a very interesting article on counterpunch.org
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/15/is-putin-being-lured-into-a-trap/
I personally don't support many of their views on the matter, yet I have to admit that they put a very interesting analysis. A few tidbits:
quote
"Retired German Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Jochen Scholz summed up US policy in an open letter which appeared on the Neue Rheinilche Zeitung news-site last week. Scholz said the Washington’s objective was “to deny Ukraine a role as a bridge between Eurasian Union and European Union….They want to bring Ukraine under the NATO control” and sabotage the prospects for “a common economic zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok.”
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"...from this statement by Paul Wolfowitz which evolved into the US National Defense Strategy:
This is the prevailing doctrine that Washington lives by. No rivals. No competition. We’re the boss. What we say, goes. The US is Numero Uno, le grande fromage. Who doesn’t know this already? Here’s more from Wolfowitz:
In other words, “don’t even think about getting more powerful or we’ll swat you like a fly.” That’s the message, isn’t it?"
unquote
Guess they want to be lazy mofos and not have to do any real work because they control the printing presses of currency everyone is forced to take. That is why we are all rooting for the BRICS and the downfall of the dollar, we are sick of the exceptional corruption. I want to see Obummer's kids, and Reid's and Pelosi's grandkids have to pick vegetables like the illegal aliens to eat something that day and not because they have a stack of worthless paper daddy gave them that the world isforced to accept because there is a gun to its head from all the US bases.
Paul Wolfowitz is a zio-jew? USA must declare a jewish state just like Israel, because it seems the majority of USA population are jewish
just the holders of important political office, finance, entertainment, news, foreign policy....
What are these "prospects" for a Eurasian Union from Portugal to the Russian Far East?
it's what would ultimately happen if the EU and Russia find trade and friendship a better option to moar war. seems to scare the shit out of Wolfo's mind
motherfuck Wolfowitz and all his kind
Hate to see people die but the endless talk and no action in this world gets maddening...
In the spirit of the season, your sentiments are not new:
Therefore the chief priests and the Pharisees convened a council, and were saying, “What are we doing? For this man is performing many signs. If we let Him go on like this, all men will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.” But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation not perish.” Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad. So from that day on they planned together to kill Him.
Therefore Jesus no longer continued to walk publicly among the Jews, but went away from there to the country near the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim; and there He stayed with the disciples.
Now the Passover of the Jews was near, and many went up to Jerusalem out of the country before the Passover to purify themselves. So they were seeking for Jesus, and were saying to one another as they stood in the temple, “What do you think; that He will not come to the feast at all?” Now the chief priests and the Pharisees had given orders that if anyone knew where He was, he was to report it, so that they might seize Him.
(John 11:47-57)
Same as it always is / was.
jmo.
No uniforms, just guns/tanks. New form of warfare works for nearby Russian forces where they have enormous strategic and tactical advantages. Russia wants a weak pro Russian Ukraine, let them have it. It means nothing to the West.
no uniforms and no insignia means... no Prisoners of War status as per Geneva Conventions. meaning that if the conflict starts to heat up, nobody can safely give up, then you have no idea if you'll be treated as POW or just shot on the spot or tortured first. does anybody have any idea what kind of additional stress this results into?
It will only get HOT for the mofos who can't speak RUS like the foreign mercs.
It really is verging on anarchy over there, and by 'anarchy' I don't mean touchy-feely libertarian anarch-capitalism I really mean chaos.
From what I can gather, the pro and anti are all very similar - same weapons, same ethnicities, many of them speak Ukrainian and Russian, you can only tell them apart by the flags they happen to choose to fly - it could get very dirty very very quickly if the bullets start flying.
Thanks to Vitoria Nulland zio-jew sowing hatred with her cookies
why?
This is it
The Ukrainians learned this lesson from the west: Only start wars with people you greatly outgun. Once they have MANPADS the overflights will stop.
Obama is just an errand boy sent by store clerks....
Oil at 104 and rising... This HAS to be good for the economy. Hey honey, let's get an f750 monster truck. After armor all for the tires and gas, we can feed the kids hot dogs and coke!
'murka
An F-750 would be great for plowing down national guard cordons when we go to martial law. You have a lot of customization options for the rear of the chassis as well.
So, a cow-rustler catcher then....
Anyone have an inexpensive, uncomplicated, non-lethal, and reliable method for disabling police APVs in the event of a crowd control event? Paint on the windshields, etc. Trying to make a handy list.
Offer to pay their wages and pensions in AU if they join and support you.
Too expensive.
Placing daisies in gun barrels worked in the past. You may want to start there.
Painting slogans on the windshields should work too.
If you are daring, you might want to take the gas cap off their tank and throw it into the crowd.
You can also let the air out of their tires.
You can buy them, or make them yourself.
http://store.oldgrouch.biz/rospsetof4.html
i think the Ukranian's made a how-to video about it.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e3_1392754077
Good for the Russian economy.
Putin must be smiling.
I hope the Euros realize they are going to end up with Kiev an shitpoor western ukraine and a huge bill that indicates they way overpaid for their dumb little coup.
Takeovers of govt buildings happening right now in Odessa, so expect a huge savings for Russia, Crimea wont be needing any bridges or new gas or electrical lines LOL. Gotta LOVE PUTIN, he just makes and saves money left and right.
Hey Romania and Moldova, Vlad is back, welcome your new Russian neighbors lol. Hey but one of your greatest leaders was called Vlad the Impaler aka Dracula, so its good for you. Maybe you can kick out your corrupt political leaders and join the CIS and get out of the EU.
And Putin gets the best farmland also, not just the industry LOL
http://ukrmap.su/program2010/g9/g9_26_files/image006.jpg
Those little pipsqueaks in Kiev issuing commands and moving fictitional troops are just like Hitler in the bunker, maybe they will all do us a service and shoot themselves with their UZIs and Walther PPKs
Your analogy of comparing the Kiev Kriminals to Hitler in the bunker made me spray coffee all over my laptop laughing!
+1000
The name Vladimir means: Ruler of the World.
Could you kindly provide the link to the news about Odessa? Thanks!
not the link you were asking for, but new, and may contain some intresting information.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/04/15/odessa-ukrainian-port-t...
from the article, which is pro-west btw,
Brilliant post! +1,000. I am glad to hear Odessa is now making it's move, the Kiev government is indeed living in a dream world created for them by Nuland and the CIA.
Nice logic there, kick out the corrupt "leaders"(i fully agree with you on the corruption angle), exit EU (bunch of cocksuckers) to join CSI (a Russian flavored EU with likewise cocksuckers). I hope you see the irony yourself and i don't have to present you with a drawing.
The spin is true - but incomplete.
EVERYONE is invading Ukraine and stirring up trouble.
The Ukrainians are caught in the middle.
One reason a lot of Russians have a hard time seeing it is because they still think of the Ukraine as part of Russia, who must do as Moscow directs. That is one of the reasons why Western Ukrainians have been so angry.
It is an oversimplification to say that the west stirred this up. It is more accurate to say that the West gave some Ukrainians the opportunity to follow a DIFFERENT bad guy.
Just like Nevada doesnt like taking all the orders from DC, but most of people in Nevada would consider themselves patriotic americans. Same thing with Ukraine, they are all patriotic RUS peoples and that is where the heart lies. Sure there will be disagreements at local levels with national mandates, see it everywhere, there is only one bad guy here and its the west, haven't you been following up on the stories on ZH?
Patriotic RUS people are Kiev Rus people.
What we have here in East Ukraine is like the Mexicans living in California wanting to secede from the USA and joining Mexico.
Your ignorance is breathtaking. American Public education and USA mainstream media have weaved their magic on you. Fuck, who owned California first and had an army steal it from them. Read a book sometime!
The Spainards were thought to previously own California. In actual fact, my ancestors did. (You know, Adam and Eve.)
What book do you suggest I read?
Ditto for Texas, Montana, Idaho...
Ultimately... "A People decide what laws make sense to their lives, and with whom to associate". The clergy and ambitious politicians have never quite figured this out, or choose to ignore it for the sake of their careers and lifestyles.
Which is why every country has its Underground/Gray/Parallel economy, because: (a) people look after their own interests, and (b) given their own interests and habits, people will spontaneously implement more effective and efficient ways of doing commerce, than the "official" systems allows. An that is why Parallel Economies exist in both 'efficient' markets (whatever that means these days), and in inefficient markets around the globe.
Ask your TV station who is providing their talking points. That is the real story.
So true Sushi, the media in this country has become the official mouthpiece of the state department. There is no investigative journalism anymore. To be able to keep their TV licenses and consolidate their media holdings the Hollywood clan has turned its back on the Constitution of the USA
Then spin over to RT.com for pics of people who don't want war, and the reports of EU-US paid sniper provocateurs playing the shameful, malicious, ill-fated game of "Let's You and Him Fight"...
How's it workin for ya O? Valerie? Victoria? Brennan? And what's Plan B?
If you like your tank . . . . you can keep your tank.
Western Media is like a broken telphone:
Ukrainian... I mean Russian, MPC's... I mean tanks, defected... I mean invaded...
This is brilliant! Ukrainian military refusing to follow orders from a non-elected Neo Nazi western puppet installed government in Kiev!
I love this. The neocons in Washington, in Nato and in Brussels must be raging when they see that! I hope this continues. The Ukrainian problem should be negotiated politically, not militarily. And fuck the war mongers in Washington as they might not have their blood on the streets this time.
Anti-govt protesters seize Ukrainian APCs, army units 'switch sides' (VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/ukrainian-tanks-kramatorsk-civilians-840/
Of course, the prez of the EU and his dignitaries are unelected. Add in the lack of referendums in Europe and.... we have fascists crying fascism.
who is the "prez of the EU", btw? how many divisions does he command, to paraphrase Stalin? and what lack of referendums are you referring to, if you want to seriously discuss the matter? Scotland? Crimea?
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answer this, then: why is the "prez of the EU" in any way relevant to this conflict? dumbed down enough?
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lol, the more I read the above comment the more I find it puzzling. has anybody ever read something from this guy? does his out-of-context comment make sense to someone?
EU is just a master of cerimony for USA just like NATO is a security gorilla to USA. Europe is waiting for more than 20 years to follow ex-warsaw pact destiny, to see freedom from the occupier. DeGaulle is a politician with vision, in his time he liberate France from American military bases.
I'm telling ya, people are waking up. The New Bolsheviks better pack up and head back to Tel Aviv before it's too late for them. And I mean all of them throughout the globe.
Sorry,
The world is not so simple. You never get a clear case of "All the good guys are over here. All the bad guys are over there." That is hollywood fiction.
Instead, nearly everyone is a bad guy in any particular struggle. When you are lucky, one of them will be a little less bad than the others - when you are lucky.
Sorry. The bad guys in this neo-con created drama are quite clear.
let me guess: is it the guys that gave up their nuclear weapons against a promise by Russia and NATO to "respect the sovereignty and inviolability of borders"?
or is it the guys that said: "oh, look, so much gas flowing through those pipelines! let's grab some!"?
or is it the guys that nearly agreed to a treaty with the EU and then switched to a different deal because there was moar bacon to be had there?
or is it the guys that have to sell weapons and war 'cause they are paid to lobby for moar defense spending?
or is it the non-US NATO nations that should get their act together and ban the NSA and the CIA from this continent?
I think I could find another 10 categories of bad guys, including those who send soldiers without insignia around
Sorry but has Ukrainian government been able to arrest at least one Russian soldier with or without insignia in Ukraine?
Given how unreliable their police and now their army is, I would be surprised if they could.