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Guest Post: Liberty Movement Rising

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com,

"Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing."  - Thomas Paine

The label of “fringe” is a common one used by statists, bureaucrats and paid shills in order to marginalize those who would stand against government corruption. The primary assertion being sold is that the “majority” joyously supports the establishment; and the majority, of course, is always right.

The liberty movement, which is a collection of numerous freedom organizations and political activists brought together by a shared philosophical bond, has been accused of “fringe” status for quite some time. With corporatist dominance over the mainstream media for decades backing an elitist machine in Washington and a global banking cartel footing the bill with money created from thin air, any such accusation can be made to seem “real” to those who are unaware.

The problem has always been a matter of physical action giving rise to an acknowledgment of numbers.

We have all heard the old story of the debate within the ancient Roman government over the idea of forcing the slave population to wear distinct armbands so that they could be more easily identified among the regular population. The concept was rejected on the realization that if the slaves were given a visual confirmation of their considerable numbers and strength, they would be encouraged to revolt against the Roman tyrants. That is to say, as long as the slaves felt isolated, they would remain apathetic and powerless. Of course, that was not always the case. Sometimes, a small group would stand up despite their supposed isolation, and the rest of the world, wide-eyed and astonished, would take notice.

The liberty movement has just experienced one of its first great moments of realization and empowerment in Clark County, Nev., and millions of past naysayers have been shell-shocked.

I covered my views in detail on the Bundy Ranch saga in Nevada in my article “Real Americans Are Ready To Snap,” amid the usual choir of disinformation agents and nihilists desperate to convince Web audiences that the liberty movement would do nothing to stop the Bureau of Land Management’s militant assault on Cliven Bundy’s cattle farm. This assault included hundreds of Federal agents, helicopters, contractors hired essentially as cattle rustlers and even teams of snipers.

The statists and socialists were certainly out in force to misrepresent the Bundy issue and frighten anyone who might consider taking a stand for the family. The Southern Poverty Law Center, not surprisingly, was hard at work spreading lies and disinformation about the confrontation in Nevada, painting a picture of fractured patriot groups and militiamen with “little training” going to face unstoppable Federal BLM agents and likely “ending up dead.” The SPLC insinuated that the movement was ineffective and in over its head.

The reality was much the opposite. Liberty groups arrived in droves and were staunchly unified — not by a centralized leadership, but in defense of the basic moral principles outlined in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Sources on the ground at the Bundy ranching operation relayed to me that at least 1,000 activists and militia members arrived over the weekend, with many more on the way. This one event proved certain points:

  1. The liberty movement is not afraid to put itself in harm’s way for the right cause — even if this means facing off against highly armed government thugs.
  2. The liberty movement has the ability to field a response team or even an army anywhere in the country at any time within a couple of days.
  3. The liberty movement has the ability to change the course of events, even to the point of removing Federal agents from a region who are acting in an unConstitutional manner.
  4. The Federal government is not invincible, nor is it unfazed by liberty movement opposition. They worry about our strength and ability.

Over the past weekend, we witnessed the true influence of the liberty movement. As thousands of activists and militia arrived in the area, the BLM finally began to understand what it was facing. The government agency that has been terrorized farming communities throughout the West for years, the agency armed with military-grade weaponry and hundreds of agents, ran away, as freedom fighters descended on the region.

Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval and Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, two politicians who were deathly silent during the beginning of the Federal incursion on the Bundy ranch, have now suddenly become vocal in defense of Nevada ranchers against the BLM. It’s amazing how “inspired” politicians can become to do the right thing when they see an army of liberty activists marching against tyranny in their own backyard.

Not only was the BLM forced to remove itself from the area, but it was also forced to relinquish all the cattle it had stolen from Bundy over the course of the past week. Here, liberty groups close in on the cattle holding pens of the BLM and take back Bundy’s property.

Statists are indignant and furious over the surrender of the BLM. The same people who boasted that liberty activists would be slaughtered by Fed agents are now frothing at the mouth because they did not get their massacre. Not only that, but the bureaucracy they worship has shown itself to be impotent in the face of Constitutional champions. All I can say is nothing puts a bigger grin on my face than to see statists cry like babies when their delusions of grandeur are trampled on.

This was a major victory for the liberty movement. But let’s be clear; the fight is just beginning.

I suspect that the Bundy event will be spun by news agencies and the government until it is unrecognizable. They will claim that the BLM left not because they were wrong, but because they were trying to keep people safe. They will claim that liberty movement protesters were the aggressors and the poor BLM agents were just trying to do their jobs. They will play the race card as they always do, much like this pathetically lazy and unprofessional article from Slate, which asserts that if the Bundy's had been black, the Liberty Movement would have never supported them. They will argue the so-called Federal legality of the raid itself, and paint Bundy as a “freeloader” who refuses to pay taxes and who is living off the American people. They will do everything in their power to destroy the image of the victory and soil the name of the Bundy family.

What they don’t seem to understand, though, is that the liberty movement does not care what the Federal government deems “legal” or “illegal.” Our only interest is what is Constitutional and what is moral. The dispute was never about the “legality” of Bundy’s use of the land, which his family used for grazing without interference for generations — until 1993, when the BLM used the absurd endangered species protection racket to put all of his neighbors out of business and threaten his ranch with invasion.  Add to this the recently discovered fact that Senator Harry Reid's former assistant and friend Neil Kornze is now head of the BLM due to Reid's influence, and the fact that Harry Reid and his family are reaping financial rewards by driving farmers from all over the region where Cliven Bundy's ranch sits while arranging land deals with Chinese solar companies, and one has to ask, why should Bundy pay any of his hard earned money to the federal government when they are just going to use it to bulldoze his cattle and make Harry Reid more rich?

Disinformation websites like Snopes contend that Reid's "projects" are not being established anywhere near the Bundy Ranch, yet, one such project has already been launched only 35 miles south of Bundy, and, the BLM has erased a page from its website specifically mentioning the Bundy Ranch and it's "interference" with Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone Projects, the same projects Harry Reid and his son are heavily involved in.

What is amazing to me is that in light of this information hardcore socialists are still willing to defend Reid and the BLM.  My question is, if the BLM is so innocent, then why are they erasing such data from their website at all?  What were they trying to hide?

Harry Reid has not responded to the facts behind his financial involvement in the BLM's attacks on Nevada farmers, except to say that they are "conspiracy theories".  He added when asked about the status of the confrontation:

“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over...”

Yes, Harry, it won't be over until men like you are thrown behind bars.

Note that he says "an American people"; as if he is separate, as if he is referring to all of us as a subservient organism, or servant class.  What Reid is saying is, the elites can't have "an American people" openly exposing their criminality and defying their tyranny, and then just walking away.  I'm sorry to break it to Reid, but that is exactly how all of this is going to end.

Statists and bureaucrats like Reid continually attempt to argue this issue from the standpoint of Federal legality, obviously because the Federal government has the legislative and bureaucratic power to make any despicable action legal (at least on paper) if it wishes. However, the liberty movement has no interest whatsoever in Federal interpretations of legal precedence. We are only concerned with what is right. As the old saying goes, when injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.

The liberty movement also fully understands that the Bundy victory was only one battle at the beginning of a long war.

The BLM may very well be waiting for activists to leave the area before attacking again. And even if that is not the case, tyrannical systems have a way of attempting to make up for signs of weakness by escalating violence during the next siege. That is to say, we should expect the next event involving the BLM or other government agencies to be even more vicious than the Bundy incident. It is simply the natural inclination of totalitarian systems to exaggerate their power when their failings have been exposed.

That said, it should be noted that corrupt leadership often crumbles in the face of steadfast resolve and courage. We have a long way to go before this Nation is once again truly free, but the liberty movement has proven its invaluable worth over the course of the past several days. We arrived at a crossroads, and we are now moving forward in the right direction — without fear and without regret. It is in these moments when history is made — when common men and women thwart the odds, defy the darkness and make good on their beliefs by risking everything in the name of freedom.

 

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Thu, 04/17/2014 - 18:26 | 4671087 Ahmeexnal
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Is there a PayPal account for the liberty movement?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 18:27 | 4671089 johnvallo
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paypal.com/johnvallo

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 18:28 | 4671092 Ahmeexnal
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Nice try.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 18:31 | 4671104 Surly Bear
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Liberty is dead.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 18:33 | 4671113 McMolotov
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Liberty is sleeping. And when it wakes up, it'll be pissed.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 18:40 | 4671132 kaiserhoff
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This is just crazy enough to run the table.  The old Rancher has no legal status except squatter, but the symbolism is perfect, cows Vs. stupid desert turtle, which looks a lot like every box turtle I've ever seen.

Throw a Hissy Fit Harry.  Go for it, and see what happens.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 18:49 | 4671161 McMolotov
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In the fight between cow and turtle, my money's on the cow. It's got all those stomachs, so it can eat and digest lots of turtles all at once.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:01 | 4671191 max2205
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So the only way amerikans will protest at least is to have a cattle round up on K St in DC

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:07 | 4671209 nmewn
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Yes!

They have a 20 X 20 "First Amendment Zone" all set up for us...in Detroit.

See? They're pro-liberty too and respecting our rights! ;-)

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:22 | 4671258 Flakmeister
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What was that you were going on about?

130934 American Tradition Inst. v. Rector and Visitors 04/17/2014

The circuit court was correct in denying a request for disclosure of certain documents under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act. The purpose of the higher education research exemption under Code § 2.2-3705.4(4) for "information of a proprietary nature" is to avoid competitive harm, not limited to financial matters.

The definition of "proprietary" in prior case law, that it is "a right customarily associated with ownership, title, and possession, an interest or a right of one who exercises dominion over a thing or property, of one who manages and controls," is consistent with that goal and the circuit court did not err in applying that definition. Viewing the facts in the light most favorable to the university that prevailed below, it produced sufficient evidence to meet each of the higher education research exemption’s seven requirements.

Also, in the context of the Code § 2.2-3704(F) provision allowing a public entity to make reasonable charges for its actual cost incurred in accessing, duplicating, supplying or searching for requested records, "searching" includes inquiry into whether a disputed document can be released under federal or state law, and this statute permits a public body to charge a reasonable fee for exclusion review. The circuit court's judgment excluding disputed documents and approving such cost recovery is affirmed, and final judgment is entered in favor of the university.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:30 | 4671302 Bindar Dundat
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Bitcoin  would be the way to finace the entire project.   Crowd funding seems so democratic!  

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 20:29 | 4671486 DoChenRollingBearing
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MRAPs perhaps are not as tough as they are made out to be.  For everyone's easy reference, here are some photos of interest:

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/mrap-vulnerability...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 20:55 | 4671582 Keyser
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Watch for a Liberty Party to be formed by grass-roots folks. Then watch for it to be vilified as devil worshippers and domestic terrorists by the big-money PACs. Same as it always was...

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 00:14 | 4671832 FEDbuster
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First thanks Brandon for the thoughtful and thought provoking article.  I suppose I am already on the Fed's radar, but I was there in the wash holding the "Obama, no more Wacos" sign.  Right up on the line with the cowboys (and cowgirls) on horses.   Harry Reid today labled Bundy Ranch supporters "domestic terrorists".   http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/reid-calls-bundy-supporters-domest... He can call us whatever he wants, I tend to like "freedom fighters" (maybe John McCain will come take pictures with the Bundys? ha,ha).   

I met all kinds of people from all over the United States that came that day to support the Bundys and risked our well being (and maybe our lives?) for liberty.  You can debate the cause (basically the BLM said in 1990's "we are going to drive you out of business", and Cliven Bundy said "the hell you are".  They did drive 51 other ranchers in Clark Co. out of business in the past 25 yrs.).  I wanted to go up and exercise my first and second amendment rights, and I did.  It was a good day for the Bill of Rights, and shows exactly why the second amendment was right after the first.

Where this goes from here, know one really knows.  The militia is in it for the long haul (many unemployed Vets and young and older men are willing to stay as long as they are needed).  The Oathkeepers organization is helping with funding and is a worthy organization.  Much of the money they have raised is going to support the people guarding the Bundy Ranch. 

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/04/17/ongoing-support-needed-for-bundy-ranch/

I am sure this will divide the gun debate even more.  With one side saying, "this is crazy, you must take away their guns", and the other saying, "Bunkerville proves how important the second amendment is, it worked just like it is supposed to".  Now we at least have a bloodless incident (unlike Ruby Ridge and Waco) to show how armed citizens can change tyrannical behavior by the Federal government.

To keep up with events check out the Bundy's blog or youtube channel:  http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfmW1Ns_BOqGvTPhVCF94UQ

and these guys seem to be doing a good job covering it on youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/user/NextNewsNetwork

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 07:06 | 4672444 GetZeeGold
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Obama CONFISCATES ALL APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTERS From The Governors of ALL 50 STATES

 

The Apache, which began service in 1986, is armed with a 30 mm M230E1 Chain Gun (with 1,200 rounds), Hellfire anti-tank missiles, and 70 general-purpose 70 mm rockets. In short, it is capable of fending-off any enemy, foreign or domestic.

 

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/martial-law-alert-obama-confiscates-all-apache-attack-helicopters-from-the-governors-of-all-50-states_042014

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 08:16 | 4672550 SilverIsKing
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“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over...”

Harry Reid is right and therefore, he should be serving multiple life sentences.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 08:30 | 4672572 dontgoforit
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I am more afraid of an army of 100 sheep led by a lion than an army of 100 lions led by a sheep." -- Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Perigord,
French diplomat
Fri, 04/18/2014 - 08:53 | 4672617 FEDbuster
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I prefer these Isoroku Yamamoto, Japanese Naval Marshal General during WW2, quotes:

"The fiercest serpent may be overcome by a swarm of ants." 

and

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

If I had made another sign, the above quotes would have been on it.

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:50 | 4674402 Harlequin001
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'would do nothing to stop the Bureau of Land Management’s militant assault on Cliven Bundy’s cattle farm.'

My understanding was that they were there because his cattle WEREN"T on his farm, in which case the cows should be removed should they not?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:02 | 4674600 hobopants
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I honestly don't give a shit if he was grazing them on the whitehouse lawn. An overreaching and increasingly violent federal government is the real issue here and they needed something like this to put them in their place. My only hope is that confrontations like this continue until we get the productive change we need one way or the other. The Federal government should be defunded completely and all power returned to the states and the people.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:03 | 4674724 old naughty
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@dontgoforit

No need to be afraid, the Lion is all loving.

http://www.lion-of-judah.eu/

 

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 00:33 | 4674934 Harlequin001
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As long as you don't honesty give a shit about the real issue and want to make a point about something else then you shouldn't be too bothered about whether anybody wants to support you or not.

The world is full of zealots, and I honestly don't give a shit about many of them either...

But if it's my 'public' lawn he needs to get his cows off it, either that or pay his dues like I would have to...

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:12 | 4674980 hobopants
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"point about something else" Wow, so you mean to tell me the main interest this article holds for you is some rancher not paying his fees? You should call up the IRS and ask for a list of people not paying their taxes, you would undoubtedly find that a fasinating read.

What you should be asking is "should there be any fees? are they constitutional?" "Why is the federal government handling what should in fact be a state issue?" "Why are the BLM and police employing military grade hardware?"

Some random guy not paying his fees will not change your life in any meaningful way.

Sitting idly by and paying attention to stupid details like that while ignoring the fact that our government is turning into a police state will.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:24 | 4674989 Harlequin001
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Seems to me like if he paid his fees like everyone else he wouldn't have a problem, and you would have to create an arguement about something else, somewhere else.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:41 | 4675005 hobopants
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Lol, I really can't tell if you're trolling me, but kudos because it seems like it. Yes pay your fees, stop thinking, suck the government's cock and hand over your free will then you wouldn't have an issue duh! It's so simple, thank you for your wisdom!

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 02:28 | 4675021 Quus Ant
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This story has been on the front page for a looooong time now.  900 comments.  Is someone inviting us to speak freely? 

 

P.S.    I love you NSA!

P.S.S.  oh, now it's moving down the queue.  Ha ha!  Awesome.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 09:46 | 4675275 FEDbuster
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Let's get the story straight on the "fees" bullshit.  This may get "thin", but I want to post it up top.

Bundy's family had paid their grazing fees, since they were instituted with the "Taylor Grazing Act of 1934".  They made improvements to the land, mostly water related (which benefited all animals on this 600,000 acres).  All went well for 60 more years. Then the UN Agenda 21 was signed by George HW Bush, and a study of the public lands of NV concluded the Mr. Bundy had to cut his herd of cattle in half to help "save" the "endangered" desert tortoise.  At that point, he told the BLM to go to hell and tried to pay his grazing fees to the state of NV.  They refused his payment.  The fees were never the issue until recently for the BLM.  They wanted Bundy's cattle off the land.  In the meantime, they did drive 51 other ranchers in Clark Co. out of business.  A couple years ago they took Mr. Bundy to Federal court to collect back fees, interest, legal costs, court costs, etc.... that is where the $1 million + number comes from.  Mostly they just wanted his cattle gone, so with court order in hand this past month they started to round up and kill his herd.  At the same time as the Bundy cattle dispute was going on, the wild horse population on this land has exploded to over 4000 horses.  The study that said Bundy needed to cut his herd in half also said the BLM needed to keep the number of wild horses under 500.  This wild horse problem is all over the West google it.

The Reid family is deeply involved in land deals, solar plants and other shady stuff in NV.  Bundy's ranch and this public land is in play with the Reids.  BLM is headed by a former eight year staffer of Harry Reid.  This is all about Federal government power and corupt politics and UN Agenda 21 goals.  Not some tortoise or $300K (the true number) in back grazing fees.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 09:00 | 4672638 Squid-puppets a...
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well, i think this event proves the precise opposite of Talleyrand-perigord's aphorism: when justice has been perverted for so long, and resister's leadership is constantly decapitated by ridicule, framing, demonising or ignoring - eventually, finally, the little people will become so pissed off as to become united in one bloc of power that does  not require a 'leader' because they all know the cause, they all know the enemy and his tactics, and then, and only then, does an unstoppable revolution start to foment

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 09:37 | 4672731 dontgoforit
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Yeah.  I was kind of thinking about America being led by Obama (sheep leading the lions) more than the Bundy situation in NV.  Militia have always been an important deterent to a bully government.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 10:33 | 4672920 Latina Lover
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Liberty triumphs over tyranny

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:02 | 4673003 Save_America1st
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exactly.  Liberty and tyranny.  Look at the photos of what went down at that ranch and it's easy to label which side was for liberty and which side was for tyranny.

Those soldiers should be ashamed of what they perpetrated at that ranch.  I'm sure many of them knew and felt what was happening was dead wrong and violated everything they stood for and their oath to defend and uphold the Constitution and to protect the people, not terrorise and vicitmize them.  It was obvious that many of those soldiers were in fact military personel of some sort.  Either Army Special Forces or Marines.  I'm sure most of them are having a hard time looking their friends and family in the eye after this whole mess.

But it's pretty fucking obvious that a whole lot of them enjoyed their little power trip over those people and those helpless animals...they're probably the regular BLM federal goons who have no honor.  We saw those fucking scumbags sicking German Shepherds on those unarmed people and tasering them over and over again illegally for no fucking reason at all other than those fuckers were pissin in their pants scared and so they used unnecessary force on those people.

And they're probably the same treasonous fucks who tortured and murdered over 150 of Bundy's cattle.  Fucking douchebags, all of them...but you know we'll never find out who did what and that none of them will be held accountable for their violent crimes.

Take note people.  Those are the same fuckers who work for DHS and all the other goon squads, and they will be more than happy to break down your doors illegally and shoot you dead in the middle of the night whenever they feel like it. 

It's obvious these government criminals have created a new domoestic para-military force full of treasonous homicidal fuckheads who have been given a free pass to abuse and kill American citizens at will.

Just keep what happened in Nevada in mind as well as what happend in New Mexico when the Alberquerque police murdered that guy ON VIDEO for no reason and got away with it.  Keep all this in mind in the months and years ahead as this government continues to slide into the abyss of corruption and uses all the force they can against the will of the American people.

And in the same respect, those fucking goons better remember what happened in Nevada as well.  Good people stood up against them and shut them down.  Luckily those fuckers didn't shoot and kill andybody...but one day they'll try this again and they'll be bolder and more violent and they will turn another situation into another Waco or Ruby Ridge.

Well they have families too and they have to live with the crimes they commit against innocent people.  And they can't hide anywhere in this country where we won't find them once they cross the Rubicon.  They have to sleep and they have to protect their homes and families.  How are they going to oppress us and violate our right to freedom when they have to protect their own families???

It won't last long at that point, because like the article says...we showed that we're serious, fearless, and will mobilize to defend what's right.  We're not going to take this shit lying down and now they know it. 

I'm sure they'll try to provocateur some false flags to blame on patriots, vets, the TEA party, Christians, 2nd Amendment supports, or Ron Paul supporters just like they said they would in their own documentation on record.  But nobody is going to believe their false flags anymore.  Too many people know about their tactics, and the Bundy standoff proved that the people were the non-aggressors and that those fucking Nazi assholes were the real criminal scum in the whole thing.

Arm up and be ready, folks.  The Nevada battle was a win for now, but those assholes will be back looking for a fight soon enough, so it isn't over by a longshot.  They're never going to stop, so we all have to pull together and be twice as vigilant against them as any of those fuckers think they can be against us. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:09 | 4673037 dizzyfingers
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Save_America1st

Hot talk. You should be more discrete.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:10 | 4673483 Save_America1st
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thanks...but I'll never be discrete when it comes to these kinds of matters.  They sure as hell aren't discrete in acting out their overt crimes against our Republic and the people, so fuck them.  They will never cool my freedom of speech or action in the face of their tyranny. 

They're gonna have to get me first.  It's not like we all haven't been tracked and traced and checked and recorded for years on the internet and cell phones anyways, right?  So who fucking cares now if we speak of truth and justice and doing what's right and calling those fuckers out for the scum that they are??? 

What's the difference at this point?  Fuck them.  Do you know how many times I've called the fucking White House over the last 10 years to tell them what I think of their bullshit?  And I call from my personal cell phone and use my name and address...I don't really give a damn what those criminal scum think of me. 

They don't even count as American citizens anymore in my book and neither do the vast majority of these so-called elected officials who only mean to go to D.C. to become high level mafia gangsters to steal and oppress and extort money from the rest of us.  Fuck 'em all. 

Is that discrete enough? ;-)

Nobody should ever think that "laying low" is going to get you a pass with these fuckers.  The minute we lay down is the exact moment they will trample all over us.  So being discrete about my stance is never going to be an option and I would never recommend that to anybody if they wish to survive the evil this corrupt, illegal, and unConstitutional "government" has in store for us.    

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:34 | 4673565 dizzyfingers
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Save_America1st

Dear Save: I like General Patton's idea: make the other poor bastard die for his country... (live to fight another day) but to each his own. (Did you know the outspoken Patten was assassinated?)

This is interesting, Kochs funding buybacks of western public lands? http://www.breitbartunmasked.com/latest-news/billionaire-koch-brothers-afp-endorses-patriot-militia-movement-at-bundy-ranch/

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:07 | 4673649 Save_America1st
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yes, I believe Patton was assassinated. 

Wish the Koch's would use some of that money and power to get Dingy Harry Reid thrown in jail for his treason.  What a fucking douche bag.  I hope the people of Nevada do the right thing and vote that fucker out in the next election...even if he gets the SEIU and other unions to rig the voting machines.

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:16 | 4673972 eatthebanksters
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Patton died in a car accident...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:02 | 4674021 Manthong
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Y’know..

Barak f’n Hussein has a number of distinctions..

.. in my adult life, I know that I cannot save for the future as my savings are worthless unless I put them into “risk”

--in my adult life I worry about the bugs that are being imported into my country from a negligent immigration policy…

..in my adult life the US stopped being able to put a man in space.

 go f’n research   TB    , Lice,--  Cholera   and all the other f’;n diseases that the f’n bankers allowed to infect the country after they convinced the politicians to stop controlling immigration so as to get population up and f’ with the statistics.

heck.. I'll just go have a drink and let your poor kids deal with the issue.

and WTF.. a diseased Lolita or Bertha is soft and warm.

oops.. ..don't want to neglect the moist part.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:59 | 4673573 FEDbuster
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Save America 1st,

First, wish you were with us last Saturday.  You would have had a good time and met some good people.

Second, here is the link to Daniel Love, BLM agent in charge for NV and UT, decked out in his "contractor" outfit.

http://static.libsyn.com/p/assets/5/d/3/5/5d35fa52dc13b4cf/21WIREs-Bundy...

 http://21stcenturywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Daniel-P-Love-BLM....

This is the same guy who told Pete Santilli that "Bundy better have 10,000 people show up to support him, and we will have forces to arrest them all".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p0YemhFnw8

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:01 | 4673635 Save_America1st
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Thanks man!  Glad you were there and I wish I coulda been too.  I live in Tampa, FL.  But I was most definitely there in spirit the whole time.  Did you talk with David Knight from Infowars at all?  They kicked ass covering everything from start to finish.

"Daniel Love" (if that's his real name) is NOT BLM...he may have been wearing their patch, but it looks like he's obviously Army Special Forces or some other outfit.  Those who took the side of the government should be ashamed for obeying crimininal orders to terrorize the Bundy's.  They should be thrown out of the military, and the ones who tasered people, sicked dogs on them, physically assaulted them, and killed those cattle should be thrown in jail too.

Makes me fucking sick to see that shit happen on American soil. 

Good for you for getting out there with them.  I'm glad everyone came out safe in the end.  I highly doubt this is over by a long shot though, and I hope the Bundy family and supporters out there continue to stay vigilant.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:45 | 4673710 FEDbuster
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Pete Santilli and David Knight were both right there, and yes I spoke with Mr. Knight for about 30 seconds (he was focused on reporting the event).  Pete did a great (sometimes over the top) job.  He seemed to be everywhere.  His videos sparked the response to make the trip for many people.

If you have the time here is a nice picture montage just posted at youtube from Saturday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRK_TMaWJ0Y

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 14:55 | 4675852 Philalethian
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Beautiful America.

Thanks to all the positive contributors...and may God forgive all the traitors and foreign agents(splc) of evil America that waste their time here on ZH.

Does anyone know WHERE these splc asshats are at now? They will need to be found out in the coming revolution and hanged for being the evil traitor enemy agents they all are.

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:24 | 4673688 dizzyfingers
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Philalethian Whistleblower, very interesting.

Sun, 04/20/2014 - 02:02 | 4676723 Philalethian
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Pondering this again today.

Is this the real reason reid is so interested in this land?

WHO ELSE IS INVOLVED IN THIS LAND THEFT DEAL?

http://intellihub.com/nevada-blm-whistleblower-somebody-needs-look-reid-...

Happy Day of Peace and Family on Easter Day to ALL!

 

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:32 | 4674860 RichardParker
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Hold a spot for him at the front of line for the gullotine if it goes down !789 style.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 10:56 | 4672994 DblAjent
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This "Liberty Movement" is the real Tea Party. NOT the neocons sucking on the GOP tit.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:32 | 4673095 yrbmegr
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Next step is the federal government gets a judgment from a Clark County court, gets a writ on the cows, and sends the county sheriff to collect them.  You want it all local, it can certainly be local.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:30 | 4674178 Nick Jihad
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I don't understand the downvotes - it wouldn't make me happy, but you can't count on your enemy to always do it the dumb way.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 22:04 | 4671838 nmewn
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It is interesting, how the terms used have changed to define "things" (affecting the brain, the perception of, "things").

From...the peoples land...to the publics land...to the governments land, seemed like just the blink of an eye, on a historical scale.

But most people, skipped right by it, without even batting an eye ;-)

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 08:04 | 4672523 Unknown User
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Either way, this guy is a moocher. He has about $1M of cows for which he did not pay grazing fees since 1993.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/04/16/the-taxpayers-shouldnt-have-to...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 08:35 | 4672589 yrbmegr
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Yeah.  What a sweet deal, profiting from government property.  Suddenly, stealing gold from Fort Knox doesn't seem like such a bad thing.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:35 | 4673711 Oxbo Rene
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THEM COWS DEPOSIT CHIT = MOAR VALUE THAN NOTHING = TO IMPROVE THE SAND (LAND) ! ! ! !

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:37 | 4673719 Oxbo Rene
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What the fuk is Gov property = Our property = If we ain't using it, he's got a right to utilize it/improve it = I ain't gonna charge him ! ! ! !

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:33 | 4674865 RichardParker
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You can not steal what has been long gone.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 19:04 | 4676227 jkent
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If Bundy successfully fights BLM where does that leave all the indigenous tribes whose ancestral lands have been confesciated by government(s)?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 08:36 | 4672592 Fred C Dobbs
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no he is not.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 09:15 | 4672666 TheMeatTrapper
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Why should people pay the Federal government for using land that belongs to the State and the people of that State?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 09:40 | 4672745 dontgoforit
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Not that I necessarily agree with it, but it is the law there.  Three courts heard the argument and Bundy lost three times.  However, no one has really indicated what the grazing is really worth materially to the rancher.  $1 million is a pile of hay.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 10:51 | 4672975 Headbanger
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Unknown User:

Thanks for posting that article explaining just how fucking stupid such Federal land use fees really are for ranchers like Bundy.

First of all, that land is fucking useless for much else than cattle grazing and who would live there otherwise?

And the fact is, the Federal and State Gubmint is making money on the sales and taxes on the payrolls for transport, processing and sales of the beef small ranchers like Bundy produce in the first place.

AND WHAT ABOUT ALL THE FEDERAL SUBSIDIES FARMERS GET NOT TO PLANT CROPS WHILE SOME POOR RANCHER IS BUSTING HIS ASS ALL DAY, EVERY DAY AND FIGHTING OFF AN ARMY OF FEDERAL AGENTS JUST TO KEEP DOING IT TO SURVIVE!

WTF!!?   HOW STUPID IS ALL THAT!?

FUCKING DUUUHHHHHH!!


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:08 | 4673316 Unknown User
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Right!  Ripping off the taxpayers is the "American Way". 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:43 | 4673878 ATG
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Not to forget BLM spent $5 M taxpayer funds harrassing the Bundy famil, killing calves and cows in their herd, ruining irrigation with sniper support, after ignoring due process to claim they owed $1.1 M for grazing rights on their land and open range.

Cui bono?

The Reids:

http://bit.ly/1eIFUVo

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:40 | 4673866 ATG
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It is not the law there.

Our Bill of Rights and Constitution supersede all other laws, particularly in Federal Courts.

Our Fifth Amendment recognizes all eminent domain seizures must include fair market compensation.

This is not the case where BLM has driven 52 ranchers off their land for hidden interests including the Reids, that apparently acquired land for free.

Here some pertinent local facts:

http://bit.ly/1eIFUVo

 

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:03 | 4674973 Philalethian
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Found the biggest pile of horse manure you ever saw.

Took a truck load one shovel at a time.

That is going to be some yummy garden food this year.

Maybe those drone operators will spare us here so we can feed them good veggies?

Oh help us save ourselves, from ourselves Oh Lord.

New interesting video from Gary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7ksDM-JbaU&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

 

 

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:33 | 4673099 yrbmegr
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That land does not, and never did "belong" to the State.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:03 | 4673300 FeralSerf
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Nor does it nor has it ever LEGALLY "belonged" to the united states of America.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:31 | 4673551 yrbmegr
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Well, the courts have recognized it as property of the federal government.  I have yet to see a compelling legal theory to the contrary.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 16:35 | 4673851 ATG
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Seems like a lot of government trolls on ZH lately.

Ever hear of Homesteading, adverse possession and compensation for eminent domain under our Fifth Amendment?

Thought not.

Federal court decisions violated our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

Exactly what evidence do you have that our courts are not bribed to violate our Bull of Constitutional Rights?

Wake up, put up or hold your peace:

http://bit.ly/P6SHpc

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:12 | 4674305 nmewn
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These "courts" you speak of, are they not a part of the government? Is that a compelling enough legal theory for you?

How about if we, as a society, have bank robbers working inside the SEC?

Oh, wait ;-)

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:12 | 4674837 TheMeatTrapper
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"Well, the courts have recognized it as property of the federal government.  I have yet to see a compelling legal theory to the contrary."

The courts also ruled that slavery was legal and that a slave counted as 3/5th of a person. 

Those issues ended up being settled by force of arms - not court orders. Grow the fuck up. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:35 | 4674867 RichardParker
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Yes and the courts also said obamacare was legal because it was a tax.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:34 | 4673564 yrbmegr
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Not even after the federal government of the United States of America, not any state government, and certainly not the State of Nevada, which did not exist at the time, won that very land in a war with Mexico?  It was a federal territory, owned by nobody but the federal government, before the State of Nevada existed.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:43 | 4673581 dizzyfingers
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"Nevada became part of the United States with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo with Mexico in 1848. Mexico had never established any control in Nevada, but American mountain men were in Washoe (the early name for Nevada) as early as 1827. A permanent American presence began in 1851 when the Mormons set up way stations en route to the California gold fields. In the absence of any governmental authority, some 50 Mormons and non-Mormon prospectors and cattle ranchers drew up the "Washoe code" to deal with land claims; its coverage eventually covered other governmental issues. There still was no federal presence in the area so religious tensions worsened and petitions of complaint went to Washington. Non-Mormons sought annexation to California. Utah Territory countered this by incorporating the area as a county. When Federal troops were sent to Utah in 1857, the Mormons left Washoe. The non-Mormons took over and launched a move for separate territorial status. The early 1860s saw the end of an Indian war, the great Comstock mining boom of 1859 in Virginia City and the coming of the Civil War. The provisional territorial government led to the creation of Nevada Territory by Congress in 1861. The pragmatic attempts to establish workable frontier institutions had failed and the paternalistic territorial system was welcomed. Statehood came in 1864 following a Carson City convention (July 4–28) and a public vote on September 7 (the population of 6,857 in 1860 increased to 42,941 in 1870), although Nevada had far fewer than the 40,000 people usually required. '

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:51 | 4673741 yrbmegr
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Thank you for that link to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.  According to that (Wikipedia) link, the treaty, which was duly ratified by the Senate, and so became the "supreme Law of the Land" (U.S. Const., Art. VI), "gave the U.S. ownership of California, and a large area comprising New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Wyoming and Colorado."  Emphasis added.  The United States, as sovereign combatant in the U.S.-Mexico War, gained ownership of the territories that eventually became Nevada when Congress created the State of Nevada out of the federally owned and administered Nevada Territory (and parts of the Utah and Arizona territories).  If the federal government has the responsibility to go to war for its citizens, and in such war acquires territories, it cannot be but that the federal government owns that territory when it is acquired.  Especially if there is a treaty, ratified by the Senate into supreme U.S. law, that says so.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:24 | 4674336 nmewn
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You make it sound as though the federal government (or any government that matter) is a "person". Governments don't breathe & bleed and lose arms & legs but they most certainly can die.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:33 | 4674680 hobopants
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Ok, for fucks sake the United States Government is not a person with rights. It exist purely at the sufferance of it's citizens. Once it starts to act contrary to the interest of the people it is suppose to represent, it loses legitimacy and it becomes our right to "Fix" the problem, by whatever means necessary. It has no rights to land, power or money that we do not grant it, and what we give, we can take away.

 

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:13 | 4674981 Philalethian
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"Some states within the US (notably, Nevada and Texas) have provisions for considering land allodial under state law and the term may be used in other circumstances.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

We alls owned 500,000 acres in the San Jaun Valley before selling it to some forigner named Maurice Strong. Turns out he knew it was the continents largest underground aquifer worth millions in the future water starved world. Too bad he is dying in china now and will never reap the rewards. Just like Laurence Rockefeller, who believe it or not, was not as bad as his brothers.

RIP Louie!

 


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:46 | 4673415 Kayman
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"Either way, this guy is a moocher. He has about $1M of cows for which he did not pay grazing fees since 1993." WTF????!!!!!

Typical thin analysis of the heavy hand of government.  What are the annual fees on such dry, unproductive grasslands?  Have the Feds jacked up the annual fee(s) in order to run him off ? Of the stated $1million, what are fees and what are penalties ?

In this country of moochers, believe me, there are much easier ways to mooch than running cattle.  The biggest moochers of all are the people trying to run him off; all on the government payroll, including the courts. Oh- and the criminal bankers.

Now go cash your government check while you can and keep your head down low.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:55 | 4673441 Philalethian
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Issa Launches Federal Investigation Into Obama/Reid Involvement in BLM Land Grab:

http://nationalreport.net/issa-launches-federal-investigation-obamas-inv...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:12 | 4674630 hobopants
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Rancher's land rights = not the issue

Ranger Rick packing an m4 assault rifle = Real issue.

Stop being distracted by irrelevant details and open up your eyes.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 21:12 | 4671646 Tabarnaque
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Here is an interesting take on the Bundy Ranch story.

BLM Selling Out America-Fabian Calvo

http://usawatchdog.com/blm-selling-out-america-fabian-calvo/

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 08:16 | 4672547 the not so migh...
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thats what it is all about i think

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 10:55 | 4672989 sleigher
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Nor are the drones

 

http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/how-to-build-a-radiodrone-jamm...

 

A better site showed instructions for jamming the satellite comms but I cannot find it anymore.  oh well

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:11 | 4673489 Philalethian
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THIS!!!...is huge.

To have any chance at defeating the treasonous traitor communist/nazi takeover, the issues of these murderous drones MUST be addressed.

A call out to all the hacker and computer communications people has gone out to develop anti-drone technology. These murders that sit in a box somewhere in the middle of now where with a dick-stick killing and murdering innocents all over the world ARE the biggest threat against humanity ever. The thought of killing and murdering innocents is repulsive, and inhumane at best. These criminals are moar guilty than the nazi's that killed the jews in WW II. There criminals MUST be brought down like their toys of doom, and then taken to international courts for prosecution and execution for crimes against humanity. THIS INCLUDES ALL THOSE WHO HAVE PROFITED FROM AND SUPPORTED THESE EVIL KILLING THINGS, LIKE HARRY REID!!!

Harry farking reid is a supporter of murder inc/usa in his complicity in the ongoing murder of innocents in Afghanistan and Iraq. THIS CRIMINAL SELLOUT COMMUNIST TRAITOR REId IS MOAR GUILTY OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THAN THE PATRIOTS HE IS NOw TRYING TO VILIFY.

FARK YOU HARRY REID!!!

FARK YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE TRIBE OF CRIMINALS AND CORRUPTED SLIME BAG FAMILY.

FARK YOU ALL THE WAY BACK TO HELL FROM WHICH YOU HAVE COME.

FARK YOu HARRY REID AND YOUR PANZI ARSED MINIONS AND TROLlS HERE TOO.

IN THE COMING WAR BY THE GOVT THAT WILL DECLARE WAR AGAINST IT'S OWN PEOPLE, THESE WELL TRACKED AND LOCATED TROLLS AS WELL AS ALL ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS, WILL BITE THE BULLS NARD. SOON. THE BARK OF ALL TRAITORS AND EVIL TURNCOATS WILL BE HEARD NO MOAR.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:22 | 4673682 Citxmech
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You know you can say "fuck" here.  

It feels good every once in a while.  Give it a try.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 02:02 | 4675015 Philalethian
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Roger that.

Keeps it in low gear for the most part.

Never ever give a Spanish/Irish/American Indian Native Tyrannosaurus-Rex Irish Whiskey, and then tell em it is all gone. Trying to save the pent up anger for those who really deserve it. Like the ones that fly overhead drones by the hundreds with no permission spying through peoples open windows, and walls at night. Saving that grace for them when they are found in their little trailers, or underground rat holes.

http://publicintelligence.net/dod-us-drone-activities-map/

Yes sir...easy does it downgrade...weza got a world war and rising nazi state coming up fast to stop. A depression to survive. Banksters and corrupted politicians to see the proper courts of Justice. It can be done.

All the people have to do is what they tell them to do. Just say NO! They did just that in Nevada. THAT shining example of the Lone Ranger and all those Cowboys and girls all standing up for American values just drives the commie-nazi WTF-infliTRAITORS wild. Next time this happens, it will happen country-wide, and every single American citizen will become the enemy of the new Nazi State dressed in Black...again! The insanity is all written here. It is insane that these maps of coming events, as well as a few others, are so darn correct, and yet so many discount them as not being the real deal babylonian plans they actually are.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

How do they defend murder? In the same old Hegelian Dialectic Way, with a ever so slight dash of a la Orwell. They immediately call the truth lies, and blame others for the evil they commit. After, they hide behind the usual horrid ugly big nosed masks, and make others defend their evil. Get to work media slaves. You head on out there first to lie and deceive in the face of an all knowing audience, and take the first rounds from an angry country full of very well armed people that are already buzzing with target acquisitions like angry hornets just itching for the first low life to make the first move. Ever been hit by a nest of angry hornets? The angry nation of heavily armed to the teeth American People is seething at the burbling volcanic brim of crock-o-patients. Everybody knows WHO is responsible for this constant war mongering, and traitorous sellout to the chinese.

Embrace the outright criminal sellout of America to the chinese and these murderers who endlessly profit from war, or embrace these good folks that care about life, liberty, and truth. It actually used to be the American Way....believe it...or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-nySJokqo

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:33 | 4671315 Overfed
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WTF does that have to do with "1st Amendment Zones"? Talk about a non-sequiter.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 20:26 | 4671478 Flakmeister
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He knows exactly what I was referring to....

Sorry you have such a hard time following the ongoing conversation...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 20:31 | 4671491 Overfed
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You're such a douchenozzle.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 20:49 | 4671555 Flakmeister
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Whats the matter?

A fucking apology isn't good enough for you?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:07 | 4673312 FeralSerf
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Is a "fucking apology" "I'm sorry but due to circumstances I am forced to fuck you"?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:53 | 4673608 Herd Redirectio...
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It is when your talking to James Kunstler.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 20:19 | 4671344 nmewn
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So, you are for the DENIAL of FOIA requests when public money is involved? Why don't you put the ENTIRE opinion up so we can all read it, Flak?

Or are you just being "selective" again?

//////////

Well, smart ass.

Afraid of alienating your fellow travellers by what it says? ;-)

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 20:24 | 4671472 Flakmeister
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Clearly the ATI lawyers should have called you first...

\facepalm.....

Wait till Mann wins his lawsuit...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 22:25 | 4671734 nmewn
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Knowing the snake that you are, what is that supposed to mean, exactly?

You don't want to follow the case to this point...

FROM THE CIRCUIT COURT OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY

Paul M. Peatross, Jr., Judge Designate

The threshold issue in this case is whether the University of Virginia is a "person" under the Virginia Fraud Against Taxpayers Act (FATA or Act), Code §§ 8.01-216.1 through -216.19. For the reasons that follow, we conclude that it is not."

?http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvwp/1102359.pdf

?A PUBLIC university is NOT a person, for the purposes of hiding documents & data the >>>PUBLIC PAID FOR<<< (see above) yet, a PRIVATE corporation IS a person by openly revealing all documents & data to the PUBLIC which sustained no loss or monetary gain from their act, as ruled on by SCOTUS.

?And you're fine with that.

?I always knew what you are, from the very first moment.

//////

If I have to spell it out for your lame ass, only a fascist would side with the state, in suppressing information detrimental to the state (and its clones, meaning you), even though the state was only able to pay for said information by extracting those funds from the very people who are now "requesting" that information from people like you.

And you hold this up as proof, of "something".

Thank you ;-)

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 23:19 | 4672007 Flakmeister
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His private communications are not "proprietary"...

Get over it...

Unless you are arguing that anyone can institute a witchhunt of any academic person they happen to disagree with, then in that case you are intellectually bankrupt....

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 23:29 | 4672025 NidStyles
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No one should be without reproach. THAT MEANS NO ONE AT ALL. EVEN THE PRESIDENT.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:10 | 4672206 Flakmeister
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The roles of a University researcher and the President are very different... And in case of alledged wrongdoing both capable of being subpoenaed.....

Do you buy or rent your clown suit?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:20 | 4672218 NidStyles
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Yet here you are defending them as if the academics were beyond reproach. You do this constantly then pretend like you are being a fair to everyone equally. That makes you a lying stooge.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:22 | 4673072 Flakmeister
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Anything but strawmen in your repertoire?

What if Mann had been at a private academic institution?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4674347 NidStyles
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Hardly a strawman. You just can't accept that you're not in control of the situation.

 

There are no private academic institutions in the US, and there have not been since the late-70's. 

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 02:22 | 4675025 Philalethian
Thu, 04/17/2014 - 21:39 | 4671741 NidStyles
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I think we all know by now that Flak is a borderline Fascist, if not a full blown one. 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 21:48 | 4671772 nmewn
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Full-Fucking-Blown.

There is nothing he will not abuse to enrich himself, monetarily or ego.

Everyone just saw it.

 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 23:23 | 4672011 Flakmeister
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Zzzz....

Academic freedom is at very roots of the Enlightenment that enabled your precious Consitution...

We gave up on the Salem model a long time ago...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 23:26 | 4672017 NidStyles
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You're the one on the witch hunt here hero. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 00:58 | 4672180 Flakmeister
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I suggest you look up the definition of witchhunt and get back to us....

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:20 | 4672221 NidStyles
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The only thing that has changed is that people are onto your BS now. ;-) I like it that way. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 07:29 | 4672467 GetZeeGold
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Just enough rope...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:39 | 4674367 nmewn
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Thats the wonderful thing about progs/socialists, they busy themselves in a thousand different directions arriving to one positive end.

They are great rope makers...lol.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 09:43 | 4672750 Tall Tom
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I suggest you look up the definition of witchhunt and get back to us....

 

Whom is "us"? Do you have a turd in yer pocket?

 

It seems that you are pretty lonely without any sypport, here, Flak...The Empirical Evidence of the massive disapproval of the filth which you spew is demonstrative of that.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:40 | 4673112 Flakmeister
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Its pretty clear that you are a chicken shit in that you only frequent echo-chambers predisposed to cater to your confirmation bias...

You don't have the smarts or ability to step out on your own...

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:30 | 4674351 NidStyles
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See, you show your true colors after all. 

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 02:20 | 4675027 Mark Urbo
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Same old BS from Flak...

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:06 | 4675306 Flakmeister
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Look! 

It's a chickenshit from the peanut gallery!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:53 | 4672256 A Nanny Moose
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What exactly is free about poilcy decisions based on the research of these "academics?" What is free about forcing to give money to these "academics," who are little more than chicken little? What is your desired outcome? Are you invested in Alt Energy securities?

 

 

Tell me again?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 07:02 | 4672443 nmewn
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Your version of academic freedom involves hiding how one gets their results from the public? Results that are taken by statists everywhere at face value (because the results came from whack-a-demics) and put upon the public.

So, the public turns to the state and says "How did you arrive at these results?"

The response from your masters is: "They came from academia!""

The public turns to the whack-a-demics and say: "How did you arrive at these results?"

To which "academia" says: "We won't tell you."

Your version of freedom is a lot like Marie Antoinettes isn't it.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 09:26 | 4672691 Sean7k
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Do people still believe academics? Since science is first military and economic in pursuit, it is a function of government coersion and corporate greed. Why would anyone lend credence to people that offer proofs on singular expositions while ignoring the whole? Science as a construct, has great potential, but like government- it requires that the souls of its' practitioners be blameless in their pursuit of knowledge and rule.

Davinci and Michaelangelo were weapon and fortress designers first and artists second. Our best minds work at DAARPA or NSA and other alphabet ghouls. Science is a means to enslave and regiment the slave population, then confuse and batter them with excessive verbiage and condescension. 

There is only one solution to Statist/corporate rule: rebel and ignore. Science needs to be taken back from the Elites and be reborn in the laboratories and shops of the people. We don't need FOIA, because the State lies. We need to find the State repugnant in all its' offices. Refuse the law, refuse the banks and their debt notes, refuse to serve slave masters. If we are the military, who will defend the corporation called Washington D.C.? 

Unfortunately, city dwellers have zero experience living without government or they would know what us country folks have always known: the State is the enemy. Its' gifts are poisoned fruits, sweet on the tongue and resulting in slow death of your principles, health and wealth.

There is a forgotten meme in America, the hierarchy of importance is: We The People, The Constitution, Shared enumerated powers between the States and the Federal government. Be us resolved to remember our place and responsibility.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:40 | 4673115 Flakmeister
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This is way out of character for you...

And very misguided...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 12:27 | 4673226 Sean7k
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Hey Flak, how are you?

You make a couple of charges here, please elaborate...because I think my argument is very cogent and timely. I have been very forthright in my opinions regarding science and government, so out of character seems baseless. 

As for misguided, c'est possible, but is it not the nature of the rebel to be midguided to the mind of the Statist? 

If recent history is our guide, academics and scientists are merely tools of the Elites. Why should we use tools which work to bind our hearts and minds? Have they no conscience, values or morality? If not, can their contributions ever make up for their crimes against humanity? 

You normally make strong arguments. I have been fair in my conversations with you, can you not be fair with me as well? 

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:21 | 4673681 Flakmeister
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Your argument paints all academics with the same brush. And while I do not dispute that some disciplines are dominated by shills in thrall to the elites, economics comes to mind, your charges fall flat on their face when considering the overwhelming majority of the people in academic research...

The elites have used whatever they can to further there means and there is always some fraction of the population that has their integrity for sale... However, given the payscales for a typical Unversity level researcher  it is pretty clear that money ain't the primary motivation..

As far as the SCOTUS ruling goes, what if Mann was doing research in a private institution?

Furthermore, if there are people that think Mann's work was flawed then there are other means to demonstrate that than a witchhunt/fishing expedition. Believe it or not, Mann is afforded the protections of the Constitution as well...

BTW, do you know what "hide the decline" actually referred to? You recall those e-mails that obtained by illegal means?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 17:21 | 4673981 Sean7k
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I should have been more concise. I never TRUST an academic. This merely means I research anything they have to say, because they have either lied or had questionable motives in the past- regardless of disciplines. If a scientist or researcher, here or there, had compromsed their research for money it would be different, but this is not the case. 

Oppenheimer, Einstein, et al- the atomic bomb. Given to the Russians by american zionists to maintain mlitary industrial complexes via a cold war. This is not an aberration, it is the norm of all research scientists at the highest level- hard science or soft (espeially behavioral). The Elites run the State, they dictate policy and direction. Read, "The Underground History of American Education" to get a real education. 

Unfortunately this fraction of the available pool of scientists is a majority whether pharma, food, agiculture, chemistry, medicine etc. Given the pay scales of a unversity researcher, it is no surprise they have their eye on the big payoff. Universities are more and more protective of any possible patent opportunities, though they are often funded by tax grants. There was a time universities did research that was considered non-economical, because private enterprise wouldn't without a profit motive. Now? 

As for Mann, "In other words, Steyn's evaluation of Mann's scientific claims can be legally suppressed because Steyn dares to question the conclusions of established scientific institutions connected to the government. On this basis, the DC Superior Court arrives at the preposterous conclusion that it is a violation of Mann's rights to "question his intellect and reasoning." That's an awfully nice prerogative to be granted by government: an exemption against any challenge to your reasoning."

 Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/02/12/mann_vs_steyn_the_trial_of_the_century__121528.html#ixzz2zH2dAwCL 

I imagine you agree that Monsanto should not ever be sued. You expect to use the law, as practiced by Congress and the Courts as a defense? Perhaps you should read, "The Dirty Dozen" or "Pieces of Eight". The SCOTUS is the worse defense in this regard. Just because his data was classified as not being detrimental is not an excuse for manipulation. Especially if the judgement is rendered by people who are in defense of him and others.

I realize how you feel about climate and you may be totally correct or you may end up totally correct about something the scientists were competely wrong about.  What worries me is the policy decisions that are being driven by the research and the failure to consider whether the TOTAL effects will offset each other in ways that make them policy neutral. Carbon credits are a scam, a financial instrument. Is this how YOU would effect change?  Obviously, organic farming methods would sequester more carbon than current industrial farming- are we doing that? Planting forests would help, using less plastics and chemical products, yes? Are we doing that? Should we be flying planes or driving cars? I haven't heard fo any policy ideas here either. It seems the only ones that will benefit are Elites and State coercion.

Finally, it was the Club of Rome group that decided that climate change and terroism would be the best method of creating the kind of fear based environment for global tyranny- in the sixties. Now, aren't you just a little bit suspicious?

 




 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:00 | 4673455 Kayman
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 nmewn

Academics can say whatever the hell they want, but they cannot hide whatever they want.

Look to whether the individual is paid via government check, directly or indirectly, and you will quickly find which side of the  " hide-the-facts" argument they are on.  Invariably they are doing it "for your own good".

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:30 | 4673702 Flakmeister
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Projecting doesn't cut it...

And yes, the truth does emerge, I suggest you read up on the history of the Wegman Report which purported to show the Manns fraud and the scientific fraud associated with that...

But we know you wont look it up because you can't consider anything at odds with your confirmation bias, but more importantly you are incabable of understanding exactly how and what was done, i.e. you are unqualified to have a credible opinion on the matter.  

Go ahead and surprise me, here is the original expose of the Wegman's "verification of Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick’s fraud:

http://deepclimate.org/2010/11/16/replication-and-due-diligence-wegman-s...

The material in question is all publically available as per the enclosed links....

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:36 | 4674364 NidStyles
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Typical statist ploy, using Appeal to Authority because your narrative is based upon supporting the only legit authority in town, and it was done that way to give tools like you a way to argue for their agenda for them.

You are so god damn stupid that you fell for all of the BS they told in college. Unless you forgot, most of us went to college as well Flak. Most of us know the BS, and have been through the same lies and academic worship that you are displaying here.

You are the one that has been fooled here, and it's telling that you have some agenda that benefits from that line otherwise you would not be defending it to the death as you are. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:33 | 4673708 Philalethian
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"Afraid of alienating your fellow travellers by what it says? ;-)"

The wars between Christian Templars and the satanic/luciferian Templars goes on day after day.

Everybody knows how farked up the situation is.

Soon, there is going to be a reckoning and the Lodges of Man will be cleansed also of the disease that has infected the world. Sanity and true righteousness will return to where it was born. Good men stand right-up on the Rites of God, not those of man. It is by these Rites of God that this Heart walks daily on the path. Not those of a tainted man's world. At the end of the day, it is about the love you have created on that path, not the evil or hate.

All actions, words, and deeds are karmic in nature. What goes around, comes around. The reckoning is coming sooner than most think. There are mighty forces at work besides those of an evil bankster controlled govt run amok in the land of lu-lu-biscuits. THIS!!!...is a spiritual war between the forces of Righteous Light, and those of the dark lower vibrational energies of hate, and death. Choose well, which side of the teeter-totter you ride. One side is going down, and the other is going up.

All Knights of Light are rising and waking up to SEE clearly who is the enemy of mankind. Every one SEES who is the historical tyrant behind the masks they ware. All see the innocents being murdered for this evil world domination agenda. Every man-Jack has family. It is time to consider their future, and not continue to muddle up world affairs for the ginormous plan of a perfect utopia, or a bunch of control freaks using the god-money to subdue humanity and the free world of God's children.

The good works of all men are what saves. Do your best to save yer selves because no One is going to do it for you. Lay up your treasures well in that place we are all going to eventually. There is everlasting eternal life for every life-force on the planet. The spiritual beings we all are, are eternal energy. There is the Law of Cause and Effect that not a single one soul/ka can escape. Be sure You invest in that future by doing good works, speaking kind words, and committing to daily right-up actions that You Know in your heart are good, and righteous. There is no wait for a Christed being, when each soul can be their own Christed self and easily save themselves. Anointed is given knowledge as it now comes here. Use it well or it will be used against you...well.

THERE WILL BE NO MAN FLYING DOWN ON A MAGIC CARPET TO SAVE THE LAZY AND IGNORANT, ESPECIALLY AFTER EACH SOUL ON BOARD NOW HAS BEEN SO GLARINGLY WARNED. THIS IS THE UNIVERSAL LAW AND IT IS A LOT BIGGER THAN THESE PUNY MISCREANTS THAT LABELS OTHERS, WHAT THEY ARE. THE BASS-ACKWARDS DIALECT IS OUT-DATED AND FOOLISH LIKE CRAYONS ON SIDEWALK OF HISTORY.

May God the Most High bless and care for every SINGLE one on board the USS ZH. This, the greatest forum in the world. Big huge extra blessings of love and goodness to those of you who are game changers. We wish for you to make the best decisions for a peaceful world to fairly trade and prosper in.

To all the innocents world-wide, We the American People wish to deeply from our hearts apologize for all the evil this govt commits in our name day after ceaseless day. We the American People, all 99% of us DO NOT SUPPORT MOAR WOAR AT ALL! WE WANT ALL OF OUR TROOPS HOME NOW TO GUARD AND PROTECT AMERICANS, OUR COUNTRY, OUR BORDERS, AND NOT EVERY OTHER COUNTRIES PEOPLE AND BORDERS! We have no control over the voting system, or the Rule of Law, or the out of control warmongering bankster owned nazi/fascist/socialist/zionist/communist govt that has taken over our country. We have failed to reign in the evil that now seeks to declare war on the entire world. PLEASE FORGIVE US THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR BEING A NATION OF STUPID TV WATCHING LAME STREAM BELIEVING MIND-CONTROLLED SHEEP THAT CANNOT STOP IT'S OWN MURDEROUS GOVT FROM KILLING US ALL!

HERE IT SOME REAL TRUTH. EMBRACE IT!

http://archives2014.gcnlive.com/Archives2014/apr14/AlexJones/0418141.mp3

Soon, they will launch another govt sponsored and foreign aided False Flag Event like 9/11 was to gain back the control levers of fear again. Everybody knows who is involved and all are waiting for the wicked beast to make the first move, or fire the first shot. Yes, they own a lot of evil murderous technology, and there are hundreds of these things flying all over at night, but they can not kill off every soul on earth before they themselves see the hangman's noose. Justice and truth that is long engraved in the stones of history shall remain the main stay after the day is over. A real question is for each soul on board to ask of themselves. Do you stand with the Power of God(Love), or do you stand with evil, hate and murderous wickedness.

Walk like an Egyptian!

IHSV

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 00:04 | 4672089 Calmyourself
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Flaks back time for Global Warming..  Read the riot act to the Middle school principal today (mild version)  Asked him if he was teaching religion?  My 13 yo's science teacher informed the class no debate on glabal warming was necessary.  My son says why does the railroad engineer who heads the IPCC state no warming for 17 years?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nothing-off-limits-in-climate-debat...

Big Government does not seem to be going so good Flak, time to adapt..

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:04 | 4672196 Flakmeister
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Are you referring to a quote which can not be verified and for which no transcript exists?

Talk about clutching at straws...

\facepalm...

BTW, I bet the middle school teacher enjoyed being harassed by a know nothing blowhard...

Quite sad really...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:22 | 4672226 NidStyles
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Except in Australia the global warming nonsense is still in full head on charge forward mode, which makes anything you say about it to be rather thin if anything. It's not like we haven't seen some of your more rather untasteful posts on here. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:36 | 4672240 UselessEater
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No Abbott just wants to replace the carbon tax with a contracts-for-mates-scheme we'll never be able to hold to account. Abbott the jesuit-rhodes-spouse of rothschilds bank employee....money to be made, costs for tax payers, crony corporatism will flourish under global warming nonense in Aust - its been too entrenched in our budgets, governmental department restructurings and constitutional get-arounds for a LONG time.

Abbott "will replace Carbon Tax with a $10 billion direct action plan. It would clean up the dirtiest power stations; provide financial incentives to the ''big polluters''; and invest in reforestation programmes and solar and other renewable energy methods."

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/504903/20130910/australia-carbon-tax-tony...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 07:58 | 4672509 new game
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and who could argue against that noble cause? s/

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:32 | 4674861 UselessEater
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Yeh, its only noble if its not a deal for crony mates with slightly hidden accounting and contractual links. Unfortunately the cronyism is alive and well in Aust and creeps like the Clinton Foundation are doing well out of it.

If Abbott was honest we'd know up front who gets what $$$, who their shareholders are (including those hiding behind shelf names) and where our taxes really are going. He is not altering the grant-tied research that pushes our Aust science institutes into researching HOW to calculate global warming vs IF there is global wamring; which hints that its not independent scientific research and he is not changing their boards to ensure they are free of goldman, jp, roths and other bankers and/or venture capitalists with future income streams in mind vs true scientific research.

Peeps before we agree or disagree on the global warming crisis that requires trillions of dollars to massage - lets check and block TPTB from making a single penny. Overnight the issue will take a new narrative that we can finally really debate - we might get a chance to actually ensure genuine enviro responsibility comes back into debate vs profiteering, control, and economic servitude.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/article-display/who-owns-corporate-a...

Table 2. Major shareholder of Australia's largest public companies:

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:47 | 4672250 Calmyourself
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No, I am talking about a  railroad engineer in charge of your fantasy life..  Ha,  What is sad is your reliance on daddy to take care of you..

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:42 | 4673116 Flakmeister
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Suprise me with an intelligent observation, shit for brains...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 13:50 | 4673421 Calmyourself
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Excellent repartee fully evocative of your advanced intellect.  Careful daddy wash out your mouth with soap..

Oh look global warming has made record ice around the Antartic, bwhaaa

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/09/23/a...

A 35 year record obviously human caused by emission of warming gasses,

Happy Easter all, HE is risen!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 14:16 | 4673500 DoChenRollingBearing
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Bwa ha ha, indeed.

And, Happy Easter to you!

 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:25 | 4673690 Calmyourself
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Hey Flak ran across a few of your pals.   "climate skepticism may be detrimental to the society,"  So they have decided to lie, as it is good for us.  Of course they are pushing backwards fast as their little grant writing hands can propel them but isn't it interesting..  When a man tells you who he is, believe him..

 

“In fact, our key result—that overpessimism alleviates the underparticipation problem—implies that the propaganda of climate skepticism may be detrimental to the society,” the authors conclude on page two, footnote #5. The authors of the paper are Fuhai Hong, an assistant professor in the Division of Economics, Nanyang Technological University and Xiaojian Zhao is an assistant professor in the Department of Economics, Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. (fhhong@ntu.edu.sg) The complete Abstract of the paper is reproduced below:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/04/04/shock-peer-reviewed-paper-advocat...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:41 | 4673726 Flakmeister
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Zzzzz.....

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:31 | 4674671 Calmyourself
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Shh, truth makes flak sleepy, Let him sleep til' Mom comes downstairs to do the laundry..

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 15:55 | 4673758 Philalethian
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Grandness to ya, Do!

You have been a faithful truth-to-power speaker for some time. Thank you.

Say, have you ever noticed that a certain element of shackless evil always seems to do something crazy on Easter Day? Or there abouts? Like it is almost ceremonial like?? Who could ever forget the storm troopers sticking a fully automatic machine gun in a child's face to steal him from his fathers embrace?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0004/23/sm.08.html

And how about the dates thing? Do ya think 3-22 is significant, as compared to any other mundane date?

Hummmm....

Thanks for your inspiration.

Lots of tings to ponder this weekend.

By the way...wanna know what real gold is?

Finding a great big pile of real bovine excrement for the garden, and 2-dollar-a-dozen organic eggs in the same place!

Bless'ed Love and Light!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:28 | 4674346 scrappy
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Are you folks about ready?

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org

Our mission is to restore the people to sovereignty through the the Common Law Grand Jury.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:01 | 4672187 KickIce
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Cattle rustling used to be a hanging offense, Harry Reid would be a great start.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 11:48 | 4673134 kchrisc
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That would be a guillotine round-up.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 19:08 | 4671211 A Nanny Moose
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LMAO! Some animals are moar equal than others!

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 21:38 | 4671738 AchtungAffen
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Don't think cows can digest meat... not forgetting what happened last time someone gave cows meat to eat (bovine spongiform encephalopathy)

On the other hand, turtles (and not counting Aesops -was it?- fable of the turtle and the hare) do what the Mexicans say: "Vamos lento porque vamos lejos". Can't be against that.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 21:41 | 4671748 NidStyles
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So few poeple seem to remember all of that. 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 21:46 | 4671765 AchtungAffen
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The Irish do, everytime someone reminds them how tasty cow's marrow is.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:22 | 4672223 Seek_Truth
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so what is so bad about cow's marrow?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:23 | 4672227 NidStyles
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Mad Cow disease. They were feeding the cattle the marrow from other cattle in an effort to reduce the cost of having real food to give to the cows. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:38 | 4672235 Seek_Truth
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Thanks for the edumacation. I knew they were feeding grazing animals parts of other animals, but didn't connect the dots. Bones marrow and all, eh?I will bet dollars to donuts that the mad cow (Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease) is caused by feeding on NERVOUS SYSTEM products.

Brains, Spinal cords, nerves.

It is common knowledge amongs t(us) commoners.

Long hot dogs!

PS- the marrow isn't the problem.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 01:42 | 4672244 AchtungAffen
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Actually they were feeding lambs and goats to cows, all mixed up in some sort of balanced feed. Then the cows started developing these prions which created holes in their nervous system. The problem is that when humans consumed meat that was close to the nervous system (or the marrow itself) you got those prions on yourself and become "infected" with that disease (and got your brain perforated too by prions). Which AFAIK is incurable. So nowadays, certain cuts of meat are forbidden in Ireland (and suspect in many other EU countries too), and they can't eat no more marrow.

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