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More "De-escalation" - NATO Sends Five Warships To Baltic Sea
The latest development out of NATO, which was already largely expected, must be part of the just announced elaborate de-escalation scheme. From VOA:
NATO members are sending navy ships to the Baltic Sea to increase the security of the alliance's eastern European allies in response to the Ukraine crisis.
NATO's Maritime Command said Thursday it is sending four minesweepers and a support vessel to the Baltic Sea. The ships are from Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium and Estonia.
The alliance said Thursday it does not intend to escalate the situation in Ukraine, but rather to "demonstrate solidarity" and ramp up NATO's readiness.
NATO has made clear it does not want to get involved militarily in Ukraine, which is not a NATO member.
Ah yes, because the Geneva "de-escalation" statement explicitly did not mention anything about a military build up when it is solely for "solidarity demonstration" purposes, and not for "intimidation or provocation." At least we now know what loopholey, umbrella phrase the next Russian escalation in east Ukraine will be held under: "demonstrating solidarity" with ethnic Russians in the region.
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Does anyone even suppose Vlad will wake up the Mig crew for a welcome to the Black Sea, pick out a nice spot on the bottom, fly by?
Kinda seem rude not to.
That's ALL NATO could muster? 4 outdated minesweepers and a "support" ship??? What a joke!
Pootie's gonna be shakin' in his boots, allright! I think to be taken serious, NaTTO should string some red yarn (he! he!...yarn - get it?) across the Baltic - give those minesweepers sumthin' to do while they're out there.
you expect them to put a nimitz class aircraft carrier out there for target practice?
Iran:
"The life-size aircraft carrier we built on land is only for a movie. Move along."
hey buzzie - why not? i've pointed this out before. they cost about 6 fcking billion to build one. printing 85 billion PER MONTH by the fed would buy how many? come on - come on!! damn it come on. THE FUCKERS COULD BUILD at least 12 a month. DOES THAT JUMP START YOUR ECONOMY? maybe not - but MIC would love it.
look here everyone - it may not be correct - but i can believe it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_by_country
us has 11 carriers - and the REST OF THE FCKING WORLD has 10.
85 billion dollars is a lot of money.
would love to print more and buy more weapons.
Did you notice that it said BALTIC sea and not BLACK Sea?
Did you notice that one of the four ships' home port is in the BALTIC sea anyway?
Did you notice the other three ships home port is very nearly also in the BALTIC Sea?
This is a press anouncement without substance.
The ships are enroute to evacuate all the hot Ukranian porn stars before Putin's invasion.
Hurry up boys!!!! Save those rose petals!!!!!
Anchors away for that.
What an Armada! Four minesweepers and a support ship. The Russian navy must be petrified in Petrograd.
"For as long as Winston can recall, Oceania has been in a constant state of war – with whom it was at war is of neither importance nor consequence."
This is just a "mission accomplished " moment for The regime.
The victory lap as peace is achieved: Because Obama.
Which one of these sides is saying, "Come and take it?"
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/04/17/part-3-behind-the-lines-more-stunn...
Cue to Charleton Heston's last lines in "The Planet of the Apes".
"That's a wrap"?
.
Personally I would have lead with a graphic of the old school battleship game.
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120303020432/battleship/images/f/fd...
All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.
George Orwell
In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.
George Orwell
Orwell very clearly knew too much.
Why he died young.
In school they taught us he was talking about Communists and Nazis.
He wasn't just talking about Communists and Nazis.
He wasn't just warning us of danger far ahead.
By the time I was in school, just a few years later,
- We had already learned our Newspeak.
- We had already put our real history down the memory chute.
- We had already bought the endless war with "Oceania".
With a big side serving of Brave New World.
even in the my remote part of my remote country i learned from my english lessons "Animal Farm" was about URRS and communism. And only decades late i learned that the original book have a preface censored.
Isnt it weird empire propaganda already existed in everycorner of the World?
and big bad bama and all his boogey down supporters are what? 24/7 big brother pumping your silly little brain over 500 channels?
i think we are pretty much communist china and russia from 50 years ago at this point, with anybody collecting the money directly attached to the political power system, and the rest of us pretty much going down to what ever level of scraps they toss us.
"NATO members are sending navy ships to the Baltic Sea to increase the security of the alliance's eastern European allies in response to the Ukraine crisis."
Eh, it's a bit landlocked and it's the black sea....?
"NATO's Maritime Command said Thursday it is sending four minesweepers and a support vessel to the Baltic Sea. The ships are from Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium and Estonia."
Is it me or did i read MIND sweepers......... ( why the F sould russia lay seamines.....?)
"The alliance said Thursday it does not intend to escalate the situation in Ukraine, but rather to "demonstrate solidarity" and ramp up NATO's readiness."
Eh no escalation by moving in more hardware and troops....wait/what
"NATO has made clear it does not want to get involved militarily in Ukraine,NATO has made clear it does not want to get involved militarily in Ukraine, which is not a NATO member.."
Cool, keep repeading this:
which is not a NATO member.
which is not a NATO member.
which is not a NATO member.
Last time i did some meditation i was sitting on the moon and looked to my (beautifull) little marble
This is were we are
Why the hate/greed/pain
We as a species developed, rapid in the last couple of hunderts of years
Made profound steps forward in science and technology
But
Not for good
Not for advance
Just for profit
How much can you take with you
when
you
die
So smart and so stupid
what can I do?
Pick up a bottle of hooch and your script down at Walgreens, like the rest of us.
I like the blue ones with rum,
Sorry, have other plans......
Blue Marble
don't want to mis
transformation
Until then, mind conserving line space?
And I don't think many of us will miss transformation, if that's what the cool kids are calling death by thermo-nuke these days.
Bullish most definitely
So, which fucking ocean is it?
The bullshit piles up so fast you have to have wings to stay above it.
---CAPT Willard
Is really sad that we arrive at this juncture.
The people who drive these scenarios behind the scenes are totally insane. They do not comprehend the level of hypocrisy that they display.
Not.
They don't care.
And at the moment they are the ones winning. Not sure they can pull it off in the end, but they are ahead for now.
Organized freak show.
We should keep moving our offensive line closer to the Russian borders on all sides. That'll make them feel less threatened, less likely to resort to limited nuclear strikes. It's like a hug, really.
You mean like the islamists that we're supposedly in charge of who were training Maidan?
Our bullets were like warm hug, that so impressed them, that now they want to work for us?
I hear what you are saying... but it works both ways, no?
Uh...
So NATO is sending four WARSHIPS to the BALTIC. The warships DEPLOYED TO THE BALTIC are coming from Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium and Estonia.
Q: What sea is Estonia on?
A: The Baltic Sea.
Q: Is going home normally called "Deploying"
A: No.
Q: What Seas are Norway, the Netherlands, and Belgium on?
A: The North Sea.
Q: Is that far from the Baltic Sea?
A: No. Pretty much the entirety of Denmark's territorial waters could be called either either one.
Good. Glad we cleared that up.
When you hear where these ships are based relative to where they are going it makes the "Deployment" look a lot less like a deployment and a lot more like spin.
Did you notice that it said BALTIC sea and not BLACK Sea?
Did you notice that one of the four ships' home port is in the BALTIC sea anyway?
Did you notice the other three ships home port is very nearly also in the BALTIC Sea?
This is a press anouncement without substance.
I think you are prity new her on zh,
dam i made a disdlectic mess o f that ( it is wat it is)
gcjohns1971 does not ring a bell
Does your company take job offers?
If life becomes whoring, well, i must go in the whoring bisine
If you can't post something cogent and mostly informative please shut up..
Canada just sent 6 F-18s. Please don't shoot them down because then we'd have to buy some F-35s.
Well at least the David Duke ZHers have some pretty good news this week to cheer about: 1. Jewish targets engaged near KC and 2. Jews threatened with pograms by pro Russian libertation forces in eastern Ukraine.
Fuck off, Barry.
From Royters:
"Five ZATO Warships Mysteriously Vanish in Baltic Sea"
I read somewhere that "You only lose your virginity once,and NATO lost its virginity in the Balkans war".
The NATO apc's on the Sarajevo airstrip would chase down and light up any refugees trying to do a runner across the taxiways.Then the Serb snipers and machinegunners would hose them thoroughly.Always nice to have the UN looking out for ya.I won't even mention the Dutch being screwed over at Potocari (Srberenska).
NATO is for making war.The UN is for peacekeeping observers,fake WMD searches,free distribution of Aids in Southeast Asia,standing around while millions of dark skinned people get whacked with machetes.
I forgot to add: declaring War when there would be no Effing way that Congress would touch that with a barge pole.
Check out this (de)escalation
http://youtu.be/OTkvhEKUcHM
What we should be asking ourselves right at this very moment is that throughout history most particularly during the Roman Empire (which is why it lasted so long) when the Emperor had no clothes and persistently didn't attempt to find a tunic to cover what he should never have shown or didn't have in the first place to the public... He usually got zapped!
Isn't there anyone in the DoS, CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA, DoD that are after 13 years of this "state of emergency lie" ready, willing and able to take matters into their own hands and take it to the next level?...
Given the critical mass that has been reached long ago, just when do you risk everything to make it stop because your life no longer has any meaning for what you've done and continue to do in violation of every promise you've ever made and every oath you ever took in earnest?
I think it's safe to say we're way past anything in the category of a "Cold War" and if you are U.S. military past and present, you can't hide who you are and where you've been, especially now when you are being asked to go up against a challenge you can't win!
http://12160.info/page/russia-blocks-u-s-from-treaty-approved-spy-flights
Well, Allen Dulles/CIA whacked JFK and I didn't notice a major improvement. Quite the contrary.
Hmm. Since his brother got a major airport named after himself, maybe we could rename Mena airport in Arkansas after Allen. The CIA did wonders for its utilty payments cashflow.
THIS ARTICLE IS INTERESTING IMHO, EVEN SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND LINKS (Mr. Tyler, hope you dont mind):
Thursday, April 17, 2014"Ukraine deal"? Maybe. But the insanity sure continues... I am trying to make sense of what is going on. But so far, this looks like more of the total, absolute terminally insane chaos which we saw in the first 2 days of the Ukrainian civil war. See for yourself:
First a deal between the the USA and Russia (-: well, officially they seriously refer to it as the Ukraine, EU, US, Russia agreement :-) is announced. Specifically, the deal is on "de-escalation".
So far, so good.
Then, in a BBC post, I read this pearl:
Again, even though this is an obscene, literally polar, 180 degree, misrepresentation of the target, it is also interesting. The fact that the Ukies were killing each other is irrelevant, think of it like a few dead bugs on your windshield, but if GOD FORBID there might be ANY sign of Jews being not killed, not tortured, not beat up by bats or lynched by a mob, but just forced to register as such, they TOTAL PANIC must ensue, this is clearly a PLANETARY EMERGENCY REQUIERING AN IMMEDIATE WORLDWIDE MOBILIZATION!!!! (yes, this must be written all in caps, if not - you are an anti-Semite). So Kerry just had to act and by its action, no doubt, the USA will prevent another "Holocaust of 6 million Jews" (here the quotation marks are essential because Hitler's mass murder must *only* be referred to as "Holocaust" and absolutely must include the absolutely obligatory figure of 6 millon, if not - you are an anti-Semite).
And, of course, the fact that the only Nazis in the Ukraine are those of the US and EU supported illegal regime makes no difference at all. After all, they really don't care one bit about the life or well-being of any Jew (or Anglo for that matter) at all. For the US any murdered or mistreated Jew is nothing more than a pretext for intervention, a good thing, really (at least in their sick minds).
To cap it all off, I then saw this:
So much for de-escalation I suppose.
I suppose that as long as these anti-terrorist forces continue murdering Russian-speaking civilians and refrain from listing Jews, that is kosher from the USA's point of view.
So you will forgive me if I am overtaken by a powerful wave of positive emotions at the news that some kind of deal was struck.
Give me a couple of hours to find out what the hell is really going on and I will come back to you with hopefully a halfway decent SITREP (-: caps not mandatory here, but that is the convention :-)
Cheers,
The Saker Posted by VINEYARDSAKER: at 18:34 Labels: comical insanity, Ukrainian national suicide
26 comments:
Anonymous said...
Dear Saker - this poster about Jews being asked to register etc has been played up and twisted by the media. It was first taken up and twisted by Haaretz:
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.585897
who apparently couldn't make up their minds what was what, but who did give the link to the original story here:
http://novosti.dn.ua/details/222825/
The first paragraph says:
"Yesterday, April 15, three unidentified men in balaclava with the flag of the Russian Federation pasted near the synagogue Donetsk anti-Semitic leaflets. Information reported by members of the Jewish community of Donetsk. They believe that in this way they tried to provoke a conflict, then to blame the attack on separatists."
This is a -probably bad- google translation from the Russian, but it seems to me that the Jews communicating this quite clearly saw it as a provocation by Kiev activists who did this in order to denigrate and smear all the pro-Russian people standing up against the Kiev regime.
Theodore Svedberg said...
The registration of Jews in Donetz story is a hoax. Even the Israeli press has reported that. What is bizarre is that Kerry repeated this story well after the hoax was exposed.
Sokenekos said...
My goodness!? Because of such "deals," the Bosnian war lasted three & a half years instead of three & a half weeks - provided it couldn't have been avoided (US ambasador to YU, Zimmerman anyone?).
It's just a prolongation of the agony. Russians within the Ukraine can manage this on their own, Russia even doesn't have to get involved. If they stop now, & then go again, & stop, & go .... it's the beginning of their defeat.
Squandering the momentum now would be unforgivable in the future. This civilian self-organizing is Russia's best option of the worst ones - there are no simply nearly good ones.
Amongst other things they agreed on all parties to leave the occupied administration buildings, which, naturally, doesn't apply to the hunta in Kiev. What's wrong with the Lavrov's team? No wonder the zionazis already claim no being obligated by the deal. Duh?
A superbly conducted rebellian so far will turn into an apathetic confusion of the (pro)Russian populus in the Ukraine pretty soon. That's the only goal behind this yet another trick of the ziofascists cause they feel they're losing the ground.
I have to say, I don't like it one bit!
Anonymous said...
i don't expect much from the geneva thingy. Victoria f**k the EU Nuland was there, looking fiercely at Kerry ...
... and probably with a bag of cookies for the EU self-righteous idiots, headed by baroness Ashton, WHO HAS NEVER BEEN ELECTED for any position in her entire life!
Anonymous said...
Am trying to make some sense of the 'deal', losing hair because of so much head scratching.
Interesting, you as well still try to figure that one out.
Agreeing on the independence movement retreating from occupied installations, without 'them' taking part at the meeting? Also would that, if it happens, not be proof of Russia's lead? And at the result - defeat? If it does not happen, what's the point?
-yt
Anonymous said...
Saker
"But the instanity sure continues..."
Insanity?
Somebody probably already mentioned this, but in case they didn't.
Have you seen this?
Kiev military op in eastern Ukraine LIVE UPDATES http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/
"13:32 GMT: The headquarters of the National Defense of Dnepropetrovsk region has announced a US $10,000 reward for every foreign “saboteur” passed over to the military at checkpoints on the borders of the region, announced Yury Bereza, the commander of the Dnepr-1 special forces unit, reports the UNIAN agency. The pro-Kiev government movement has also vowed to pay US $200,000 for freeing an administrative building seized by protesters.
Earlier, Ukrainian media reported that Ukraine’s largest bank, Privat bank, also promised to pay US$10,000 for every “Moskal” – which is an insulting word used by Ukrainians to refer to Russians. The bank was founded by the country’s third richest man, Kiev-appointed governor of Dnepropetrovsk, Igor Kolomoysky.
The Ukrainian Interior Ministry has welcomed the reward initiative and promised to award all policemen “demonstrating heroism and loyalty to Ukrainian people” amid “anti-terrorist” operation with medals and promotion, it said in a statement as cited by Interfax-Ukraine."
Death squad/Jewish organised crime (the mafia) mentality. As the Ukrainian regime is supposedly broke, I wonder who is fronting the sods the money for these criminal bounties?
??? ???
Anonymous said...
Ok, keeping calm, let's analyse further:
- we are being deluded by the same story line all over mainstream media
- the most amazing issue is that story about Jews (I would say, what else could they say in order to scare a new layer of public opinion? - and, after Israel's abstention in UNSC they near a nervous breakdown!They need, absolutly need to scare Israel!))
- We all agree that it would be too soon and to shallow for anglosphere to backtrack now: they want to capitalize their OWN hysteria to beef up defense expenses in European Union
- They want/need Russia to help the crazies in Kiev to seem like they are a government of sorts...- Please, note the behavior of Holland and his groupie. It's amazing how low someone can go
But, in fact, what worries me the most is what press his doing and reporting, what so many pundits in those mass media convey to the public. Disgusting!
Ana
johnshaplin said...
Afterthought said...
This is a fairly balanced outcome, but there are a few things not reported on out of Geneva.
#1: Recognition of Crimea as Russia
#2: Gas and debt payments by Ukraine
#3: Referendums, not just top-down "autonomy" from Kiev
Putin is not backing down on this, he is merely buying time. He knows that the regime in Kiev is very shaky. Now that force is "off the table" the locals in Donbas have a free hand to Russify, which is not an overnight process. The West will not tolerate the optics of Russian military machines crossing into Ukraine, but they will tolerate the optics of a popular uprising.
PS: The Jewish Registration was a CIA hoax.
zmejuka-alexey said...
@Sokenekos
I doubt that the rebellion would just simply lay down the arms, or leave the occupied buildings. Especially so after the ukraine minister said that army will stay in the East.
It just doesn't work this way, people in the East wouldn't believe Kiev regime. Russia cannot simply order them to lay down the arms.
SO stand off will continue. And it starts anew, if Kiev regime will crack the portesters by force ( it is not that easy, but suppose that US helps for the sake of the argument) then Putin will have to intervene military. Whether he likes it or not. He would lose all the support inside.
I am also surprised by Lavrov's words. May be there was a behind the curtains deal, and US would pull the strings on Kiev, without overtly admitting it. Otherwise all this is just plain nonsense.
Rowan Berkeley said...
I am disgusted by Lavrov's stupidity in signing this worthless surrender, because that's what it is. It's worse than worthless, because it blithely and repeatedly uses the word "illegal": "All illegal armed groups must be disarmed; all illegally seized buildings must be returned to legitimate owners; all illegally occupied streets, squares, and other public places in Ukrainian cities and towns must be vacated." Who defines "illegal" when one party does not recognise the legality of the government imposed by the other, or its laws? This is a total waste of time, and this is far from the first occasion on which Russia has committed to shit agreements like this, and ditched those who were depending on it for defense of life and limb against fascist invaders.
Nora said...
Sokenekos,
I agree, it's most probably a set-up. Look a bit further though: on the odd possibility it isn't, then after the $5B (probably more than doubled at this point), time, effort, Polish "training", Brennan's visit et. al., I guess the putschista (new word? do I have it right?) take our (stated) desires every bit as seriously as do the Israelis. As in, not. I do think we're flailing, and hoping to con Russia. So it is that old saying, "We pretended to tell the truth and they pretended to believe us"??
Anonymous said...
Quote of the declaration: All illegal armed Groups must be disarmed ... all illegally occupied streets, squares ... in Ukrainian cities and towns must be vacated.
... no constriction on the East. Therefor it applies also on eg the Maidan square (in case there are still People there), doesn't it? And on the self-defense-guys of the right wing, n'est-ce pas?
Anonymous said...
Crazy Ivan says...
Shamed on Russia!
Mr Lavrov and Mr Putin sold out Russians in Eastern Ukraine!
Why? Read the text below and start to think.
http://rt.com/news/geneva-document-ukraine-deescalation-224/
Yesterday I said - any (Russian) politician thinking of "proverbial bridge between the East and the West" is downright moron.
At least when new Ukraine will be created by Banderovites supported by Evil Empire (the US), the EU and banskters, the Russian population is doomed.
After 1968, e.g. youth rebellion in the US, the progressive left found out the only way to win is to grab 3 pillars of US society - universities, judicial branch and media.
Their goal was achieved in 120-200% in 15-20 years.
The same blueprint will be applied by ultra-nationalists in Ukraine. One may say the US is a federation. Right. On a paper. Feds grabbed all states by balls and dictate them what to do. The famous Civil War between North and South showed Union's imperialistic roots.
The infamous political correctness aka cultural Marxism has pervaded all layers of American society.
The Ukrainian federal law will creep slowly into Ukrainian "independent" states slowly but relentlessly and sooner than later whole Ukraine will be playing the same tune Heil Bandera!
Apart from what I said above the whole game was about Crimea. Once the RF got it, told other Russian population - piss off, we don't need you.
I'm so crushed now and despondent I need a day to come to my senses.
But I would never ever thought in my black dreams Mr Lavrov would be outmaneuvered so easily and so effectively by the "stupid" West, as many of you believe in the myth. No, the US is not stupid.
:(
Rowan Berkeley said...
the anonymous person "keeping calm" at 19:29 is talking absolute nonsense when he says: "Now that force is off the table the locals in Donbas have a free hand to Russify." Maybe anonymous read some other agreement, like the agreement between Kerry and Netanyahu to let the Zionist Jews overrun the West Bank and russify that.
Anonymous said...
Like the hunta in Kiev has stuck to any mediated deals in their wonderful coup history. This is nothing but a Trojan Horse offering to steal the wind out of the peoples movement.
Screw the Junta and may the Ukrainians see through this for the garbage it is.
May the people clean house of this garbage and all oligarchs and the returning of Ukraines Assets back to the public.
Justin.
Anonymous said...
Crazy Ivan says...
@ Rowan Berkeley 17 April, 2014 19:44
I fully agree with you. I was expecting Russia waits for decisive moves after "Mr Putin meeting with The Nation" but didn't expect such a dagger's blow in a back from the conference with Mr. Lavrov.
Unbelievable...
Daruma Doll said...
Sounds like a re-reading of Bulgakov's "White Guard" nearly a hundred years after the first Ukranian nationalist takeover in Kiev.
In 1918 the White Guard Russian loyalists have been betrayed by their leaders, overrun, defeated and hunted down in Kiev by Petlioura's Ukrainian nationalists.
Then Red Army swept from the north and the rest is history...
Anonymous said...
Dear Saker. I often like your posts however you were overdoing it on the Jews. Kerry also mentioned that the Ukrainian church is threatening the Russian church with violence. Don't jump over every stick they put in front of you.
I am also confused about what is happening. However - my guess is the "game" has also a different target: Germany.
It is obvious that RU is trying to draw a red line in the sand. It is also obvious that the US still thinks they are the masters of the universe.
Sit back for a while and relax. Drink some wine or vodka. Relax baby!
What is happening? Russia is - masterfully - playing a game as a state that is like guerilla tactics, but done by a state! (1st time I think. It will become a term in history books like The Blitzkrieg - but it has no name yet). It’s the new way how “smaller” states can fight bigger ones under certain circumstances. (RU vs. NATO in this case).
Russia has natural goods like oil and gas, some old nukes and a lot of land but not much more to show. The industrial basis is not very good. It needs a partner.
Same time Germany has burned southern Europe and is desperately looking for new ways to export its high quality goods. Germany, by itself, can dominate Western Europe for the time being bc of its productivity and money, but that is it.
There is no way in hell, Germany can become a superpower. Neither can Russia become one again, if staying alone.
Germany right now has a very strange situation: the media is very pro Kiev/US/NATO. However the people are more into a “neutral” stand, they are so angry w/ German media. For many years people in the right and the left have prepared for this. Former military guy Jochen Scholz, who wrote a well published letter to Putin, a member of the left party and someone who promotes “Querfront” – meaning: leftist and nazis should work together to get rid of the dominance of the USA, recently had an interview on voice of Russia.
What I am trying to say is that part of what is going on in the Ukraine is that Russia is still looking to go to bed with Germany. Germany suggested to solve the problem in the Ukraine by talking about it together (Russia + Germany). Merkel is still a US-puppet. However it starts to look like the German industry is backing away from her. They want a deal with Russia.
Do I like this? Frankly no. My point is: I really dislike a country that is so nationalistic like Russia. That treats gays as second class citizens and that is not open. However, NATO-countries are worse. They pretend to be open and whenever they have to prove it they are not, gays they don’t care about and they export wars. Their crimes are unbelievable. So my point is: do I have to choose to deal with a lesser evil? If yes: it is Russia for the time being, but I am not happy with this.
Maybe you understand my point. And look out for anything “German”. Looks like Russia is back and so is Germany. Not sure that this is good – or bad.
R from Germany
Anonymous said...
today is the first time i see that a big crack in the unsinkable MSM - Battleships in germany. the tagesschau, no. 1 news channel tried to dicredit a new peace movement as "right wing" and "build on conspiracy theory" after a huge shitstorm from the readers because of the obvious lying all day about russia and ukraine. they don't know what to do next. The "Spiegel" a big newsmagazin, tried the same - all because of readers comments about situation in russia and ukraine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22VfEe1RkH8
the woman in this link is Gabriele Krone-Schmalz, she lived in russia from 1987 - 1992 and is one of the best journalists i've ever seen in german tv. she has a very good reputation in the media landscape and a lot of people would believe her instead of any politician.
sorry, but there a german version only - i can't make subtitles.
but i think it's important for the germanspeaking people here (and mr. putin ;-) to know this time something happend what the people won't forget. most people don't trust them anymore and i hope it's just the beginning of a kind of civil disobidience.
sorry for being a little bit OT, just tried to say, the "holocaust card" is maybe their last they can pull - and this wouldn't work too.
regards,
R.
Unknown said...
My take? The agreement is worthless paper - a necessary dance - neither side expects it to be followed and both are waiting to see what develops on the ground. Protesters will not leave the buildings, defecting soldiers have been threatened with punishment, the people in Kiev want the rebellion crushed so it cannot simmer along to erupt again. Developments on the ground do not support a de-escalation at this point.
CubuCoko said...
The fact that Kerry invoked the "registration of Jews" indicates that it was a hoax, a false flag planted there for the purpose.
Anonymous said...
Crazy Ivan says...
Read the tidbit of American hubris:
Obama: We are preparing additional sanctions against Russia
http://rt.com/usa/obama-press-conference-ukraine-268/
President Barack Obama said Thursday afternoon that his administration is prepared to take further action against Russia if an agreement reached earlier in the day in Geneva concerning the crisis in Ukraine fails to materialize.
I know diplomacy is for cool heads but if I were Mr Putin I would explode with rage!
Giving the West in the conference nearly all they wanted only to hear it is me who is RESPONSIBLE for the fulfillment of the accord is mind boggling.
Where does the limit of Obama's whoreness lie?
VINEYARDSAKER: said...
@R from Germany: I often like your posts however you were overdoing it on the Jews. Kerry also mentioned that the Ukrainian church is threatening the Russian church with violence. Don't jump over every stick they put in front of you.
Had you been a tad more careful you would have noticed the my post does not deal with Jews at all. It deals with the way Kerry overdoes it with Jews. As for picking this part of the press conference, blame the BBC, not me. Heck, I even posted a link to the full thing right now.
Sit back for a while and relax. Drink some wine or vodka. Relax baby!
Today is Passion Thursday for Orthodox Christians, "Good Thursday" is the term in the West, I think. We don't drink vodka on that day. As for relaxing, I mostly do it on my mountain bike or kayak. Vodka I use to celebrate.
Cheers,
The Saker
Unknown said...
Another thought - if Russia moves to annex more Ukrainian territory a bridge has been crossed. Relations with Europe will be seriously damaged and, as our host pointed out previously, there is no well defined, defensible stopping point or border within Ukraine. I have no idea what Russian strategy about this scenario is. If the local population gets enough defectors from the military to defend some area perhaps they could successfully secede, but it is not clear to me that this is possible.
Humpty Dumpty...
Tom Garrett said...
I interpret the Geneva text thus far available exactly as Rowan Berkeley does: as a sell out by Lavrov and an invitation for Kiev to crush the protesters without Russia raising a hand. If it is, as I fear, a guarantee of Russian passivity, the probability of a military coup, or even a substantial mutiny, shrinks away.
This shouldn't have been a surprise. We can easily guess that Russian oligarchs and the Moscow elite are nearly as chary of a real people's revolution--which is what was brewing in the Donbass--as their counterparts in the Ukraine. Even so, the Geneva text hit me like a horse kicking.
In the meantime, Turchynov has announced the dissolution of the 24th Airborne brigade for "cowardice", announced that the boys who wouldn't kill will be punished and that "national guard" units, made up of Parybi's Maidan thugs will be sent east to carry out the repression.
As for Kolomoyski: Here is a man Jewish extraction who carries dual passports and is active in Israeli affairs, but who none the less contributes generously to right wing political groups both in Switzerland, where his HQ are, and in the Ukraine. Why bother to inquire who will pay $10,000 to policemen who deal severely with malefactors or who has, very likely, already bribed most key military commanders. Mercenaries? What do you think?
I'm afraid Saker's article "This is all too Reminiscent of Moscow in 1993" may prove prescient after all.
Welcome back Francis.
I fully expect Putin to give these assholes the finger, to take the eastern part of the Ukraine and place tactical nuclear weapons in the Ukraine and tell NATO to come and get him. He is far smarter, diciplined and more tactical than John Kerry and Obozo and he will shove it in our ass one more time, just wait and see!
MFL
Putin was locked and loaded for this a long time ago.
If this goes through? I don't think most of us that live through it will want to be alive when the dust settles, and if I was wearing the uniform and given orders to deploy I'd give my boss "the same finger" Putin's giving them!
Mr. John "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake" Kerry!...
You're shocked?!!!
The baltic is NOT the blacksea.
Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finnland, Estonia, Latvia, Lituania, Germany, Poland all have real estate on the Baltic.
Who has the right to tell NATO not to sail the flag in the Baltic? Certainly not that littlest Princess, Putin.
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I think you're forgetting both the context and the fact this is sliding around the Treaty Montreux issue that Lavrov made the gang aware of at the UN recently.
If I were NATO I'd rather be violating Montreux then send ships into the Baltic.
I just picked up my sales lady who came back from Kyiv Ukraine. She was tired and told me how on this whole trip to the Ukraine she did not see even one non unhappy person. Everyone in Kyiv is waiting for the May 15 election, but not optimistic about any future.
I think that I've seen this movie before. Let me check...
Coalition of the Sweepers.
Great, extra toilets and showers for the transgender seemen.
This Baltic Sea show of force is a farce.I guess Obama had to do something along with his puppets.Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper is the worst excuse and the best example of a lap dog.This guy would screw his own grandmother.
Ooh, that sounds like quite a deterrent - two row boats, a dinghy, and a tug should freighten those Russians...
Edit: the fifth is a yet to be determined, formerly overturned cruise vessel from the Mediterranean. Costa-something ;)