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Snowden Calls Into Putin Telethon To Discuss Legality Of Mass Surveillance

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While the western media paints Vladmir Putin as some cross between Napoleon and Hitler marauding across Europe breaking international laws willy-nilly, there is one red line he is apparently unwilling to cross. In a somewhat surprising turn of events, none other than Edward Snowden called in to a Putin live telethon and asked the Russian President: "Does Russia intercept millions of citizens’ data?" Putin's response (whether true or not) is worth paying attention to by his opponent on the world stage: "Russia uses surveillance techniques for spying on individuals only with the sanction of a court order. This is our law, and therefore there is no mass surveillance in our country."

Via RT,

Russian intelligence agencies use special media to tap and spy only after a court decision, says Vladimir Putin, answering the question by former NSA agent Edward Snowden on whether the Russian government spies online.


The Russian president said that he like Snowden used to work as a former intelligence officer and said that there is no mass scale or uncontrollable surveillance in Russia as there is in America.


“Russia uses surveillance techniques for spying on individuals only with the sanction of a court order. This is our law, and therefore there is no mass surveillance in our country”, Putin said.


Edward Snowden, the whistleblower who leaked detailed National Security Agency documents on how information is stockpiled on millions of Americans as well as world leaders, appeared via a video link from an undisclosed location to ask Vladimir Putin his question.

It seems even Putin won't publicly cross that red line...


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Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:34 | 4668917 TeamDepends
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And Russia appears freer and more constitutionally-minded than the US.  Hey look, a flying pig!

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:35 | 4668926 Harrison
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Of course, if you become known to the authorities, you'll end up with polonium in your soup. But what's a little polonium between frenemies, right?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:37 | 4668935 BandGap
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Here we use nail guns and unbridled gravity.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:41 | 4668957 Oquities
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when i was young, Russian freedom lovers looked to the US for inspiration.  now that i am old, freedom lovers in the US must look to Russia for inspiration.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:43 | 4668969 Azannoth
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This happened in less than 20 years not even enough a generation!

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:45 | 4668972 negative rates
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Is he a black swan from origin?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:50 | 4669001 jbvtme
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i'm a skeptic until i see putin's birth certificate...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:55 | 4669033 Haus-Targaryen
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He doesn't have one, the tortoise eating cattle ate it. 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:55 | 4669274 Yes We Can. But...
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How come there was only one fat guy in the audience behind the moderator in Moscow?  American studio audiences behind Omompants are full of much more robust-looking individuals.  These poor Russians - they to this day go hungry!

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 12:27 | 4669849 Cap Matifou
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The obese are the functional starving, gobbling up sad garbage, that their body cannot process or excrete, just suspend in fatty tissue (which cannot be worked off, for that would mean the toxins are released again).

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:00 | 4669292 DaveyJones
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I especially like the utterly stupid and provocative statement by our president that Putin better do XYZ or he'll regret it because of our "superior weapons." Obama (and his handlers) continue to miss the fact that the bluff has been called. The Ukranian issue was generated by western europe telling an already divided country to chose one or another. Putin tried to negotiate positions and the west continued to provoke. The US is just now realizing Putin is in it for the long haul and is falling on the bluff. Between Snowden's revelations and Putin's sudden popularity rise, America has become the aging prom queen, fat, tired and the only one convinced she's still popular    

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:47 | 4669471 zerozulu
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Putin, new leader of the free world.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 12:29 | 4669854 franciscopendergrass
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"leader of the free world" sounds like an oxymoron.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:05 | 4669081 PT
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I don't believe you.

And my computer told me that the first two videos don't exist.  But I don't believe my computer.  Especially when it cannot keep up with my typing. 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:31 | 4669176 Oh regional Indian
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Ah PT, my apologies. It looks like they were too inconvenient.

Did you see the Billy Boy one though?

I'll edit the other tow out... thanks...


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:39 | 4674534 PT
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Yeah, that one worked.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:33 | 4669418 TheReplacement
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If you believe what you just posted I have a bridge to sell you.  Actually, that's a lie.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:51 | 4669690 new game
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oh r i - your stuff has a smell about it. try some freash air! what do you smoke?

i wish the world was like you envision, but it is not so and could only happen with 6 billion less humans.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:57 | 4669507 Againstthelie
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It may be true or not about hypnotic trance. The other video could be simply from a test of topics with a videocamera. But one thing this video is proove of: the man in front of the audience was completely different than the man behind the curtain. For the audience the smiling, sympathetic, grounded politician, but in reality a cold heartless human monster (speak gently, but always carry a stick behind your back - hailed freemason Roosevelt).

Thanks for sharing.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:45 | 4668976 negative rates
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All that with a simple name change too.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:54 | 4669026 Squid-puppets a...
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and the old skool commie die-hards in Russia look to the US for central planning idealisms, while old skool US capitalists look admiringly upon the energy investment options in the former USSR

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:17 | 4669111 Bangin7GramRocks
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You turds are eating this shit up like squealing school girls used to believe the arranged relationships between gay movie stars and young starlets. Stop being so damn gullible.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:55 | 4669503 StandardDeviant
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Really.  A softball question from someone who, unfortunately, must depend on Putin's good graces to stay out of prison (and who somehow happened to get through to the telethon line); and an answer that strains credulity, from a former KGB agent.  Well, that settles it, then.

Seems a lot of the conspiracy theorists around here are only skeptical in one particular direction.  Guess what?  The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 12:11 | 4669782 Telemakhos
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This.  The Russian internet intercept system is called SORM.  The hardware is installed at the ISP's expense, and the Russian law enforcement, tax authorities, border patrol, and spy agencies all use it to eavesdrop on citizens' communications without a warrant or court oversight as of 2000.  Actually, rolling back privacy protections and expanding domestic surveillance was one of Putin's first acts in office as president (he had been prime minister before that).  

Do the Russians know how to break encryption to the same extent that the NSA does?  Probably not, but that's mostly a function of funding levels for hiring researchers: they're certainly intercepting anything that's plaintext.

Check out:

The last line of StandardDeviant's post should be a mantra for ZH: "The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend."

Sun, 04/27/2014 - 22:42 | 4702750 Boxed Merlot
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The last line of StandardDeviant's post should be a mantra for ZH: "The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend."...



Why do / did I feel so reluctant to respond to this obvious observation? 


As an aside, I had to laugh recently when the misses told me not to dig out and salvage the nearly new bar of soap she threw away recently from out of the waste basket.  She said she tried to use it several times but couldn't get it to wipe clean.  I asked her if it was made from female liposuctioned material.  She said she didn't know but since it was given to her as a gift from a "wealthy" relative as a holiday gift she felt it good to try to put it to good use.   All to no avail.  I told her I would see to it it was disposed of properly.


Too much fun.



Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:54 | 4669704 Boxed Merlot
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…like squealing school girls used to believe …


As long as there is no perceived penalty for lying, deceiving and being deceived we tend to enjoy not only watching our leaders participate and even promote the behavior, but find no reason why we too should not do the same.  The fact is there are penalties for encouraging deceit, not the least of which is we become so fearful of verity our lives are spent believing there is no such thing as truth.



…”For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.  And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.  The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.  Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness…”

2Thess. 2:7-12








Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:26 | 4669401 hankwil74
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Because you believe Putin?  Because he's such an honest guy?  Call Bill Browder and ask him how honest Putin is.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:34 | 4669425 TheReplacement
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Yeah but Putie has nice Super Bowl ring...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:05 | 4669078 SamAdams
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"Unbridled gravity", is clever.  Almost as good as "structural sympathy" (WT7).

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:25 | 4669144 The_Prisoner
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Are you referring to Litvinenko, the MI6 agent?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:57 | 4669284 Joe A
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The difference between polonium and DU is that the former kills you faster.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:36 | 4668934 BudFox2012
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Yeah, we probably are due for another distraction.  Are there any Kardasian sisters that aren't dating a rapper yet?  How about another missing plane, that seems to keep peoples attention for LONG time?  Maybe another American Idol show will do the trick, or a 2nd NFL season this year...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:17 | 4669114 Cathartes Aura
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is Snowden himself not enough to distract?  with his scripted heroism, and gifted awards to all newsy-sources?  and ongoing inter-actions with the hero-worshiped Putin?

talk about an ongoing narrative created to entertain. . .

what does the holy Greenwald say?  what does his intercept'd paymaster, who helped fund the current episode of global "crisis" have in the scandal-queue-blog?

subscribe today!  get the latest dribble!!  every week something released in bite-sized chunks!!!


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:28 | 4669161 TheMeatTrapper
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Snowden is no distraction. Americans who actually know who Snowden is aren't "distracted" - they mostly value his willingness to ruin his life to shed light on the criminal behavior of the government. Those who don't know who he is, which is most Americans, already are distracted. 

The reason the information is being dribbled out is to keep the focus on the criminal behavior of the government. How is that a "distraction"? A "distraction" would be something designed to put the focus on something other than the criminal behavior of the government - like constantly declaring the Russians to be the bad guys or trying to go to war with Syria. 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:50 | 4669238 Cathartes Aura
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trying to suss out Omidyar’s secret anti-government essence  is one more variation on the good oligarch/bad oligarch nonsense that underlies our sham politics, where every two years we laboriously tweeze out the pube of difference between two corrupt political parties and where Koch Industries is regarded as uniquely evil in relation to such good corporate citizens as BP and Bank of America. While it’s certainly always useful to expose the mess that toxic inequality makes all over the world, for our present purposes, everything you really need to know is encapsulated in this line from the Ames/Levine piece –

…the fabled “civic-minded billionaire”—you’ll find him two doors down from the tooth fairy.

specially scripted narrative that appeals to the voting-classes.  drip-fed episodically, for fun & profit$.

if you like your Heroes, you can keep your Heroes.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:52 | 4669489 Skateboarder
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I stand by your criticism. Snowden is a manufactured 'hero.' Anyone with an ounce of sense in their noggin can see that.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:57 | 4669508 Cathartes Aura
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controlled opposition.

released "information" in slow episodic format - just like the TeeVee dramas, hmm.

folks do love to follow their leaders tho'

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:14 | 4669566 Skateboarder
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If I learned one thing in my life, it's that people fucking love teevee dramas.

Help us lord.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4669659 Socratic Dog
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It's a TV drama for you, skateboarder.  I doubt it is for Snowden.  As someone said above, he was willing to ruin his life.  To risk life in prison, or execution.  And for what?  To try and awaken the masses to what is really going on.  Unfortunately the masses don't want to be awakened.  Too bad.

What great deeds had you performed by the time you were 35 years old?

Cynical prick.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:56 | 4669716 Skateboarder
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Where is the rest of the information? And what happened on nine elevs, Eddie?

Call me what you want, SocDog, but this fool's story doesn't check out, and his interview answers are scripted and memorized to a tee.

One does not simply walk into Mordor...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 15:19 | 4670502 ebear
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"One does not simply walk into Mordor..."

A jew, an irishman and a catholic priest walk into Mordor.....

insert humorous dialog here: ________________

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 15:14 | 4670482 ebear
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"Those who don't know who he is, which is most Americans, already are distracted."

I'm well aware of Edward Snowden, but even so, I'm still not sure who he actually is.  I'm not American though, so I guess that doesn't count.

As for the softball Q&A, I'm not sure whose credibility was hurt more - his, or Putin's.

Or was that meant as parody?  Some subtle form of Russian humor I'm not familiar with?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:21 | 4669379 WillyGroper
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Welcome back CA.

Always appreciate your POV.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:31 | 4669415 Cathartes Aura
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thanks WillyG.

someone has to play contrary-mary in the ongoing narrative, eh?

"Russian President Vladimir Putin said U.S. President Barack Obama would save him if he was drowning because he is a decent and courageous person."


awww, so cute. . .

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:46 | 4668978 Global Hunter
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No doubt Putin is no angel, but I wonder sometimes if their strategy is to be honest and uphold a rule of law, never lie or spin just to demoralize the citizens of the west.  It doesn't seem like a contest any longer, I would feel much better if my side just acted humble for once and shut up.  Why should Putin/Russia do much more, we're destroying ourselves while he sits back and looks dignified.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:57 | 4669040 Azannoth
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Exactly Russia does not need a war they will simply wait 10-20 year and the West will have disintegrated by it self. The only party wanting war IS the West, to bring down the rest of humanity to it's level of missery. BTW the same forces that ruled Russia from 1917-1989(The Jewish Bolsheviks) are the same forces ruling the West today!

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:39 | 4669106 centerline
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Putin is just playing off the hypocrisy of Western governments.  Which at this point is about as easy as pie.

It is brilliant in its simplicity.  Western governments are doing more damage on a daily basis to thier own credibility, economies, citizens, freedoms, etc. than anything or anyone outside could ever do.  All he needs to do is play off of this and the public will follow... particularly in regions that ZH has been pointing out.

He also probably knows like us that the course of action for Western governments is locked on course and will not change.  His intel/analysis must indicate that the point of no return has safely been passed and it is now possible to begin turning up the heat.

He is a very dangerous individual though.  No beacon of freedom or liberty there.  We are not seeing what he stands for.  He is only projecting Western government corruption back onto itself... and allowing everyone else to assume that therefore he must stand from something better.  Out of the frying pan and into the fire is what I think.  The whole world needs a major courtesy flush and a fresh start with all these asshats removed from power.


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:16 | 4669112 Omen IV
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Obama has given more than 1800 speeches since he has been in office - he believes in the power of the telepromter  - ergo endless bullshit!

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:19 | 4669119 rum_runner
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>> just to demoralize the citizens of the west


You think anyone over her is actually paying any fucking attention?  Good Lord, man, you're living in a fantasy if you think Americans are glum because of geopolitics and variances in rule of law of USA (USA! USA!) vs Russia.  Most Americans can't think past their bulging guts.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:27 | 4669153 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Putin doesn't need to be an angel. The people of the West (and especially Americans) have grown up believing they have the moral high ground. All Putin must do is show them their governments are just as corrupt and dirty as the rest of the world.

Let the demoralization continue...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:28 | 4669405 hankwil74
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Uphold a rule of law?  Are you fucking bonkers?  You think America is corrupt; try doing business in Russia!  Look up Bill Browder for an example of how it is to do business in Russia.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:59 | 4669050 HardAssets
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Translation to English:  Damned, we wish we had the US budget for all that mass spying - but we don't. (Can't just print the world's global reserve currency). So, unless you're an immediate threat that gets our attention, fa get about it. (We do a damned good job though when we really want the intel.)

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 12:18 | 4669810 roadlust
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And "courts" in Russia have proved over and over again that they are honest and free from political influence (See: Prosecution and jailing on bogus charges of every major opposition figure in the country.) 

Russia must invade Ukraine because Russian speakers are sad.

And the US will be invading Mexico to "protect American speakers" in all coastal resort areas from Narco Terrorists (TM).   Annexing Baja, and removing the Mexicans there, will protect whales, too.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:34 | 4668922 Seize Mars
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Putin lies. Of course there is mass surveillance in the NSA!

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:43 | 4668959 y3maxx
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Speaking of Lies... USSA is built on a Pyramid of Lies, with the "Hafro in Chief" on top.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:47 | 4668981 negative rates
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You have seen the back of a one dollar bill right, it's not all plastic fantastic today.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:55 | 4669031 Oh regional Indian
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Do you speak of the All See-ing I?

The 13 steps of the crafy craftsmen.

The owl in the lattice?

The bats in the bell fry?

Incidentally, agricultural secretary who had it out there( Stimson?) was a Crowlian Occultist.


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:07 | 4669084 Seer
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Yeah, thank god that the entire world isn't lying to itself that we can have perpetual growth on a finite planet otherwise it would really be bad...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:35 | 4668927 firstdivision
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!  I love a good joke in the morning.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:48 | 4668987 negative rates
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Ah yes, but what if the joke is on you?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:02 | 4669526 firstdivision
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The joke is the perception of the commentariat here thinking that another form of evil is better to the current form of evil.  Don't understand why no one asks why we cannot have rational and just leaders.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 06:20 | 4675120 MeelionDollerBogus
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It's never been the role of a leader to be rational or just.

It's been the purpose, the role of leaders to think for followers, which isn't rational, and to make them do things they shouldn't want to do, which isn't just.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:35 | 4668928 BandGap
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Wow, just wow.

My goal today is to see if any news outlet in the US even acknowledges this.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:49 | 4668993 negative rates
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Doubtful, they live on Mars and so can not report the earthly news.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:07 | 4669089 HamRove
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It's from ZERO.

Although they may mention it in the context of "Oh hey look, the axis of evil got together to discuss something of unimportance."

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:53 | 4669485 Cathartes Aura
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Putin tells Edward Snowden: Russia doesn't carry out mass surveillance


Claims by Russian president to NSA whistleblower in TV show will be treated with scepticism by western intelligence officials
it's in that "global online news" source The Guardian/us - complete with an 8am time signature and nearly 300 comments already posted. . . 'course, that's where the Pulitzer's are being shared for the leaky narratives, so hardly surprising.
Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:36 | 4668930 Rock the Casbah
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I'm sure that set up was worth another 1000 sq ft of living area...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:03 | 4669074 Squid-puppets a...
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c'mon, who downvoted that? explain yerselves

an expression of base cynicism like that is the fukn lifeblood of Tyleresque inquisitivity 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:09 | 4669095 Rock the Casbah
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Thanks squid

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:38 | 4668943 overmedicatedun...
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Miriam Carey, murder nothing to see here per DC police chief (a woman)..first lie her car shows no damage from rammed barriers, as anyone can see from the online videos..(I never met this lady who was reported as depressed and obsessed with Obuma, but outright murder by a police state is as important as private information , perhaps more so..)


"Washington Post) D.C. Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier urged Tuesday that people not rush to judgement after an autopsy showed that federal agents shot a woman in the back after authorities said she rammed a White House barrier with her car and led police on a chase to the U.S. Capitol."


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:20 | 4669120 Nasquak
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And where's Rev. Al? I don't particularly like the guy but shouldn't something like this be right up Rev. Al's alley? I've read that she was on Al's executive board for his National Action Network...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:39 | 4668947 spastic_colon
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O/T what just happened with european equities?  other than frontrunning the US jobs number of course.  is it because the sun is up?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:54 | 4669000 medium giraffe
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Don't worry, they're just trying to ramp it up before everyone in the euro area comes back from a long weekend 100,000 euros lighter and having been dragged into a war by NATO.  Happy easter.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:40 | 4668950 Global Hunter
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Holy shit the Russian news anchor is translating a long wordy question off his handwritten notes and the President of Russia gives a thoughtful reasoned response without the use of the teleprompter!  WTF do they think this is?


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:48 | 4668984 Azannoth
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Yeah I know right! almost like neither the question nor the response where scripted! WoW did anybody seen anything like this before?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:58 | 4669046 Global Hunter
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Fair enough but that was a 5 minute you think any western politician could speak coherently from memory for several minutes and sounding in the very least sane?

edit: IMO Putin was telling the truth he seems smart to me and I calculate that a smart man would see it as a huge waste of money and resoures.  Thus he sounded like a sane politician which I don't usually see or hear.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:03 | 4669075 HardAssets
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Only in very old news footage - - - all of it in black & white.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:41 | 4668958 Oldballplayer
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If Vlad says it, it must be true. Because he isn't an American, and only Americans lie.

It's all bullshit these days.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:53 | 4669021 nevadan
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Of course Putin speaks the truth.  You only have to classify someone as a criminal to surveil them.  ;)

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:57 | 4669043 Confused
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Not that I would believe him. If one major country is doing it, it is safe to assume that they all are, to some degree. However, it is refreshing that he atleast denies it. Whereas his American counterpart dances around the topic using buzzwords to keep the people afraid. And his cronies continue to tow that line when interviewed even stooping low enough to make physical threats against Mr. Snowden. Because, well, why not right?


"Trust me." Hahahahahahahaha 


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:15 | 4669109 Seer
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Rule #1: We only get data on "terrorists;"

Rule #2: If you are not a "terrorist" and we get data on you, then you're a "terrorist"- see Rule #1.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:45 | 4668973 Skin666
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From an ex KGB spook?!





Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:49 | 4668992 Global Hunter
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to his credit he comes out and admits it right away when did you hear Obama (as an obvious example) ever admit anything about his past?  They've got a different sensibility for sure.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:17 | 4669115 Seer
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"when did you hear Obama (as an obvious example) ever admit anything about his past?"

Was Putin talking about his past?

Fucking shit is like celebrity gossip...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:47 | 4668977 DeliciousSteak
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LMAO. I wonder how they got Snowden to participate in this little propaganda stunt. Did they threaten to cut his balls off, or did they just threaten to kill him. I'm not familiar with FSB intimidation tactics.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:54 | 4669025 MarkAntony
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Naaaaa....    one of those gorgeous Russian bombshell blonds just asked him to do it after some stellar nightly experiences...   How can you say no? No man can resist such terrible and inhumane FSB tactics...  ;)

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:00 | 4669062 Confused
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My guess is, they didn't have to do anything. But let him live his life. Easy to gain his trust when his home country is threatening him. The US made it easy for the Russians. 

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:19 | 4669116 Seer
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You have the wrong country.  It's the US that has threatened to cut off his balls...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:24 | 4669143 Omen IV
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wouldnt you want to fuck Obama around just for grins?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:29 | 4669167 Seer
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Yeah, it's like so out of character for Snowden to be asking questions about govt spying!  </sarc>

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:47 | 4668980 SharkBit
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Awesome!  Russia certainly winning the PR war.  Taking a page straight out of US bible written by Edward Bernays.  I think Snowden would do a far better job as Press Secretary than Jay Carney.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:49 | 4668990 BuddyEffed
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Suspect the cost of mass surveillance is prohibitive for most countries.  Plus suspect that you need the inside details of the electronic infrastructure with access to trunks/junctions/connections of the signal wiring and routing and gating, to make it feasible.  Plus suspect knowing where most of the backdoor accesses are facillitates it, especially when your government legislates and purchases backdoor incorporation.  Humans are curious and given the chance to have inside information to hedge your thinking is an almost irrestible temptation.  Most governments surveil close to the theoretical/economic limit possible, given their circumstances with maybe a little legal consideration tagged on.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:51 | 4669009 Azannoth
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Exactly NSA isn't as hot-shit as they claim they simply have secret FISA court orders giving them full access, they hack shit not!

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:14 | 4669104 Oldballplayer
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It's a lot easier when the ports are built into the comm systems. That way you do not have to break in or build back doors. If all of the calls go through the central switch, it is easy to record them all. You just need a big hard drive.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:21 | 4669127 Seer
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In the case of Russia it also might be an issue that they've got a LOT of hackers there and the govt isn't likely wanting to draw their ire lest they unleash a shitload of trouble...

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:48 | 4668991 buzzsaw99
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so they don't have cameras on every street corner in moscow?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:49 | 4668995 Fix-ItSilly
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It's time.  Obama needs to bring home Snowden and pin the Presidential Medal on Snowden.  Snowden has single handedly sought to rescue America from its Darth Vader types.  He can rescue Obama - if there is still something left to rescue.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:50 | 4669002 GrinandBearit
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Anyone else getting the feeling that Snowden is nothing more than controlled resistance?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:21 | 4669124 Cathartes Aura
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working as intended would be all the proof needed.


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:53 | 4669495 WillyGroper
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There's always the added flexibility after the election.

Who knows in this game of cat & mouse? You must question everything.

Forcing the Bolivian prez's plane down in pursuit of Snowden seems a bit dramatic not to mention downright ill mannered.  

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:14 | 4669568 Cathartes Aura
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here are a few questions asked of Guardian (love that label!) editor-in-chief Alan Rushbridger on Reddit, way back in the earlier days. . .

grabbed from a rather brilliant post there,

Mark Twain said, "It was a narrow escape. If the sheep had been created first, man would have been a plagiarism."


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:50 | 4669003 falsepositives
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Since when is Russia a beacon for respecting human rights?  I've read comments on ZH that would indicate that Russia is the last hope for a Christian society.  I could care less for religion, but I certainly hope that your idea of Christianity is the Russian Orthodox kind because all others are squashed with a vengeance.  Read any article on Forum18, a legitimate independent news source on religious freedom, to learn of Russia's love for anything that is different:

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:53 | 4669016 Van Halen
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FalseP, you have a great point. The real issue here is why so many people have decided that Russia is the beacon of human rights and the US is not. It's because US leadership have gotten so corrupt both inside and outside our country that no one in their right mind would trust us. Putin is totally taking advantage of this to make himself look great, all the while doing the same or worse as our leadership does to its people.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:02 | 4669056 DeliciousSteak
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Putin only appeals to the tinfoil hat crowd in the west. Most people recognize Russia for what it is, a nation of imperialist thugs looking back at so called past glory with hopes of a great revival. Russia is dangerous. Questioning your own system and leadership is no reason to embrace the master of deception called Putin.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:07 | 4669085 Aussiekiwi
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That may all be true, and yet Russia looks so much more democratic than the US at the moment, perhaps the land of the free that everybody else hates for their freedom might want to ask why that is?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:39 | 4669439 compound interest
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".. Russia looks so much more democratic .."

You don't know much of the world, do you? Lol

Of course it must be so, if Putin says so. He respects the rule of law, of course.

Anyone who believes this propaganda is just lucky enough to never have truly gotten to know how a post-communist mafia state really works. I can understand that US citizens are not satisfied with their government and with the state of their democracy, but trust me: Russia is far-far worse. If you cannot believe it, then you are a lucky bastard born to a relatively free country, where the state respects your human rights relatively well, compared to other, not-so-lucky parts of the world (even with the mass surveillance and shit). No country is perfect, though, and every government has the tendencies to move to a bad direction.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:08 | 4669094 Van Halen
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Delicious, the point I'm trying to make is that while you are correct in your assessment, the problem is that more people than ever are willing to believe all kinds of crazy stuff - especially if it's anti-US. Much of the problem the US has at this time can be summed up in one observation: A government that fears. disrespects, and dislikes its citizens, and a citizenship that fear, disrespect, dislike, but don't want to give up the freebies of its government.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:16 | 4669570 Zerozen
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"Most people" are ignorant sheep.

You paint with such a broad brush, I bet you probably don't know any Russians in any meaningful way or have spent any amount of time over there. Typical Western Russophobe.

Russia is very dangerous...any day now they will invade the West...been waiting since 1854 for that...the ghosts of Napoleon and Hitler salute you.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:07 | 4669087 StupidEarthlings
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Tru dat..its the same as politics here in us..

Try to pic the best out of two lousy choices... and as crazy as this woulda skunded 30 years ago.. the US is making russia look like the lesser of 2 evils.

True or not true..this is exactly what it appears to be.. its not all the "putin love" that certain zhers claim. 


Just really shows how obviously f'd up west has become.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:24 | 4669142 Seer
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"Putin is totally taking advantage of this to make himself look great"

The "advantage" is making him look great.

When times are good all are complacent.  When times are not so good then happy citizens and confident leaders are a little harder to find.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:34 | 4669422 gcjohns1971
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2 bad guys can't fight?

Why is it so hard to imagine that maybe both teams suck?

Why can't people devote any more thought to politics than they devote to their favorite sports teams?

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 06:12 | 4675115 MeelionDollerBogus
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Followers (sheeple) and Leaders (wolves) need each other. It's instinct.

I'll bet less than 5% of the entire planetary population is smart enough to know that it's evil to be a leader and suicidal to be a follower so refuse to do either. Fully 95% of the human population are, therefore, fucktards in some degree or another. Just look at how many believe in religion: every last one of them is delusional in a manner I consider very dangerous.

I hear some estimates that 85% of people believe in god.

85% of people are so delusional they think an imaginary friend is real and get angry if you don't believe it too.

It's the entire human race ready to drink the Jonestown Koolaid. Fucking write-off.

I could almost bet that when humans kill each other enough with weapons and stupidity the monkeys take over, planet of the apes style. They have one advantage over our species: they have no religion whatsoever. They can use tools, they can do many things we can do, but no god. Once humans are weak enough from wars & deprivation we'll be toppled easily.

Dogs, cats, monkeys, even rats can be cute until you're too poor to keep walls up around you and too hungry and weak to fight off a predator with claws. Then you're dinner.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:50 | 4669004 MarkAntony
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This reminds me of an article I read, while wearing my tinfoil hat one lazy afternoon, describing a "Nostradamus" style prediction that the new Freedom and Liberty standards will come out of Russia of all places...   Now... which grand conspiracy web site was that on...   ;)

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:50 | 4669006 Van Halen
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Say/believe what you want with this article, but Snowden threw Putin a softball aimed squarely at the US and Putin hit it out of the park.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:30 | 4669411 gcjohns1971
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How so?

Everyone and their dog has asked Obummer, GEN Clapper, the CIA and a whole host of appointed bureaucrats the same question in the US and they said the same as Putin.

Why should anyone think Putins response wasn't simply "The least untruthful" response he would make?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:50 | 4669007 Billy Sol Estes
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Prefabricated or not, Russia is trolling the Western kleptocracy hard.

Too funny.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:27 | 4669154 Seer
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Yeah, sometimes pointing and laughing just isn't enough! (you have to put words with/to it!)

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:52 | 4669011 mydogisprettier...
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Is the key word I took from this.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 08:59 | 4669052 esum
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pussy riot

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:04 | 4669079 Aussiekiwi
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mmmm, me thinks it was a case of ask this question Snowden, or else, remember your stay here may only be temporary.....and smile, why so glum?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:04 | 4669073 JustObserving
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Meanwhile in news today, France has been spying on everyone for decades.  Hollande is a closet fascist:

French intelligence collects all data of France Telecom/Orange


By Anthony Torres 
17 April 2014


Documents revealed by Edward Snowden and analyzed by the daily Le Monde reveal the role of French Telecom/Orange in the collection of data by the French intelligence services over a period of decades. France’s General Directorate of the External Security (DGSE) freely obtains the data of all Orange’s customers, apparently in a totally illegal manner.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:10 | 4669096 sondernauch
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I think it is refreshing to hear a leader say, effectively, "I am in charge, the responsibility lies with me" and mean it. This is where democracy fails big time. In a [ostensibly] democratic country such as the U.S., the thieves have all the power,  they take all the credit when things go right, and take none of the blame when things go wrong.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:27 | 4669152 therevolutionwas
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And it would be great to hear the 200 million plus adults in the 'Republic' of the USA say "I am in charge, the responsibility lies with me."

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:12 | 4669098 MarkAntony
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On a side note, Russia continues to defy American influence:

"If the Americans like to eat GMO products, let them eat it then. We don’t need to do that; we have enough space and opportunities to produce organic food.”Medvedev

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:59 | 4669515 WillyGroper
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To that I say "Bravo" and keep poking MonSatan in the eye. 

The takeover of Argentina's farms by MON is the cause of their 1st default.

The 1st thing Bremmer did in Iraq is forcibly take the farmers seed & forced this Dog forsaken poison on them, as if depleted uranium wasn't enuf.  

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:23 | 4669134 Shizzmoney
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This is a lie; they all lie - that's the point.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:35 | 4669184 old naughty
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Sir Edward (S.) included !?

Enter-taint-ed yet?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:37 | 4669189 Seer
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Pretty much in accordance with how I.F. Stone saw it: "All governments lie."

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:26 | 4669147 navy62802
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Baffle them with bullshit. That's the name of the game in Ukraine. Propaganda from both sides. This Putin-Snowden "interview" is no different.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:35 | 4669183 q99x2
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Replace Putin and Obama with Open Source Software.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:36 | 4669186 villainvomit
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Putin takes calls ??????  That's right bitchez.


Odumbo screens attendance and allows certain questions at conferences and still has to use a teledumbter.  What a fucktard.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:39 | 4669193 b_thunder
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And why exactly did  ZH publich shis garbage?  As if a KGB agent will ever tell you the truth?

Is ZH funded by the Kremlin just like RT? 

If ZH doesn't understand such simple thing as who Putin really is, what do they understand about complex things like economics or gold trade?  I think i better sell my gold for whatever i can and SHORT it!

After all if a-holes liek ZH promote both gold and Putin, and I know that they're wrong about one, how can they be right about the other?



Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:31 | 4669414 The_Prisoner
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Go ahead, short gold.

Do you need people to tell you the truth? Can you not see the truth for yourself, cunt? You come here and spout this state department garbage because you think you'll benefit from being a soldier of the Empire. But all you will get are scraps. Or perhaps you got fired up by Jen Psaki's selfie.

Had you been paying attention you would know by now that the truth is up for each and every one of us to find out. But you seem to need to get "truth" from some authoritative image, such as your school teacher, or drill instructors, or the foreman from whatever sweatshop you work at.

Here's a bit of truth to you, Rambo. Putin is the only thing standing between the zionists and what is left of the free world. So I do not give a rat's ass if he wrestles polar bears and joins Berlusconi for some Bunga Bunga. For if Russia falls, it's all over.

That's why the zionists are willing to go to war over this, they know it is the last bastion of real resistance to full worldwide dominance.

And while I'm at it. Free Francis_Sawyer!!



Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:39 | 4669442 smacker
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Sat, 04/19/2014 - 06:03 | 4675113 MeelionDollerBogus
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You're a fucking moron Murrkin.

It's your job to read between the lines.

It's the job of journalism to provide something to be read or you can go do it yourself like Luke Rudkowski does.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 09:51 | 4669250 OpTwoMistic
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Putin is a little distracted by the neighbor hood agitator right now.  Come back

after he sinks a couple of destroyers.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:09 | 4669325 Confundido
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Too sad Snowden was forced to show himself in this circus of an intuition tells me Putin will return him to the US, just to make Obama's life more complicated.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:14 | 4669353 overmedicatedun...
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Putin:"He continued, “Our special services, thank God, are strictly controlled by the society and by the law and regulated by the law.”"...can anyone see a three letter word that Obuma cannot ever say in this statement of putin's?  if you ans: god, you are only half right.

Law there is no law with Obuma. only outcomes.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:40 | 4669647 Thalamus
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Only after Putin gets all the information his valuable guest has to offer.  "Would you like sugar or polonium in your tea?"

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:28 | 4669408 Martian Tourist
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Creeping to his new landlord?

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:43 | 4669446 RaceToTheBottom
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Funny I want to see the difference in presentations between western and non western media on this one.....  .

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 10:47 | 4669472 smacker
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Whether it's contrived or not, Putin has presented Russia and himself in recent times as reasonable people who are not out to recreate the USSR, just to protect their flanks from aggression by NATO. This has earned him and Russia worldwide respect methinks.

The same old same old worn out propaganda tactics from the West of lying, then lying to cover up the lies and then lying some more, is failing.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 23:30 | 4672027 Tulpa
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Just like Stalin presented the subjugation of non-Russians in eastern Europe as a "defense against fascist aggression"?

What is it about Russia that they're never comfortable without their neighbors pinned under a Russian boot.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 11:36 | 4669639 Gaurden
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I will support anyone in this world who will stand against the banker army and their slavery/genocide agenda.

If Putin isnt on the level, this whole world is going under the bus. Its that simple.

Thu, 04/17/2014 - 12:18 | 4669805 escapeefromOZ
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  It's a shame that nobody asked Vlad what's the meaning of chemtrails spraying  in Moscow and St Petersburg . I got photographs taken during my last trip to Russia . Putin speaks about " our partners " referring to the western criminals  . There are too many hidden and secret agreements that bind together Russia and the US . Starting from the spraying of the population with chemtrails , the secret space exploration programs using the Earth UFO fleet , and the agreement to continue to use gas and oil instead of Zero Point Energy products . Because of those partherships , I tend to believe that the Ukraine crisis is a bit of theater ..... It is a very remote possibility a shooting war between the US and Russia the stakes are too high 


Thu, 04/17/2014 - 13:50 | 4670137 bugs_
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I wonder if Snowden is beginning to see the bigger picture.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 06:00 | 4675111 MeelionDollerBogus
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You can't be serious in thinking you had the big picture before Snowden. He's the one that gave it to you, not the other way around.

If you think this call-in was anything but contrived you're as naive as a child.

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