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De-Escalation Off: US Deploys Troops To Poland

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So what part of "All sides must refrain from any violence, intimidation or provocative actions," did the US not understand when they decided that deploying troops to Poland was in keeping with the four-party deal? As WaPo reports, Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine.



Via The Washington Post,

Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine.


That was the word from Poland’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.


Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details.


There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.

So is that an escalation? or a de-escalation? or is it different when the US moves troops towards another nation's borders?


As a reminder, we noted in December, Russia's placement of tactical nuclear-capable weapons near the Polish border which at the time sent a very clear message of escalation (despite the, at the time, lack of New Cold War headlines). We wrote at the time,

Russia quietly has come through on its threat issued in April 2012, when it warned it would deploy Iskander missiles that could target US missile defense systems in Poland. From RIA at the time:

Moscow reiterated on Tuesday it may deploy Iskander theater ballistic missiles in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad that will be capable of effectively engaging elements of the U.S. missile defense system in Poland.


NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea, at a summit in Lisbon, Portugal, in 2010.


The missile defense system in Poland does not jeopardize Russia’s nuclear forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said. 


“However, if it is modernized…it could affect our nuclear capability and in that case a political decision may be made to deploy Iskander systems in the Kaliningrad region,” he said in an interview with RT television.


But that will be a political decision,” he stressed. “So far there is no such need.”

Looks like a little over a year later, the "political decision" was taken as the need is there. But why does Russia need to send a very clear message of escalation at a time when the Cold War is long over, when globalization and free trade, promote game theoretic world peace (or "piece" as the Obama administration wouldsay), oh, and when Russia quietly has decided to reestablish the former USSR starting with the Ukraine.

We'll leave the rhetorical question logically unanswered.


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Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:02 | 4674084 quintago
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Go ahead and start a war. Then China can deploy troops to Taiwan, and North Korea can deploy troops to S Korea

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:13 | 4674114 McMolotov
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Isn't this happy horseshit exciting?! Is the US run by schizophrenic morons? Did someone give Obama the old "hey asshole, start a war or else" tap on the shoulder?

I'm not a religious man, but I sort of believe in karma, and I have a feeling the cosmic retribution that's coming for this country is gonna be a motherfucker. And if there are by chance any gods out there who are just, it's likely they're lining up for one hell of an unholy gang rape.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:16 | 4674125 Arius
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call them!  tell them not to worry about it ...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:22 | 4674149 Alethian
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Well, best bring the tomato plants in.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:22 | 4674483 Tengri Temujin
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We need to be careful, Poland is like the jilted ex bitch of Russia looking for revenge and more than willing to be a bitch for America to get it.  However in the process they could get us all Killed.  Damn those Poles, just ask the Jews that survived Poland if there are any how backstabbing those little Pole assholes can be.

Let me go on the record that of all the poles I have met I have ascertained a certain 'prick' tendency and a slight amount of neurotic tendency.  Some kind of hidden anger like an abandoned slavic child left alone on the fringes of Europe.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:44 | 4674554 Volkodav
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what you describe as "prick" tendency..

I would say "chickenshit"

bent on attracting self destruction..




Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:51 | 4674573 the_magician
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prick tendency sounds way cooler cats. way cooler.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:21 | 4674759 old naughty
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the only morons are the ones who don't believe war will come.

How do they say (eh, sell) it...It's been fortold, ordained, centrally-planned, stone-written, hidden in plain sight...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:23 | 4674765 flacon
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Good for another 50 points higher on the S&P then? 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:16 | 4674841 Tengri Temujin
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Before anyone drags me to the ZH tribunal to have my membership cancelled noticed that I did not accuse all poles of this I chose my words carefully and said of all the poles I have met, and that is certainly true with the ones I met.  As far as the general population I havent as of this time met every single one to make this assertion for the whole nation.  I am allowed to speak of personal experiences without being censored

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 08:30 | 4675072 Oracle 911
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Well if they don't get us killed, but certainly their steps (US and Poland's gov) will cause death of many NATO troops in Afghanistan.

Look NATO have 2 route's get in and out of Afghanistan, one trough Pakistan which is uncertain and one trough Russia, which is 100% certain, well it was certain.

I  mean Russia will block this route and Pakistan will its own route block to, and both country will get the support of China in this matter. So the NATO troops won't get provisions and chance to get out, at least legally, lot of them will end up as minced meat.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4674578 dirtyfiles
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sound like you have anger management problem

you may need professional help

since when nationality describe personality?

does your black American president represent  your personality I guess not?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:39 | 4674691 the_magician
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He does. In more ways than one.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 06:37 | 4675125 Tengri Temujin
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LOL.  I am not requesting 10,000 USA troops like Poland.   Those 'PO'le'S' are too damned lazy to even shed their own blood.  Out of a country of fifty some odd million people they cant muster enough ladies to fight.  I say ladies because the men are scared of their own blood when they shave.

I dont know about you guys but in grade school on the playground there was always that little prick that tried to get everyone into a fight going back and forth spreading rumors that he said she said and so on.  This is exactly where Poland sits at the table as.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 09:48 | 4675268 MarkAntony
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I am of Polish descent and I find all of your comments offensive. The right of Free Speech does carry a certain amount of common sense responsibility - of which you have shown none. Before you trounce on a particular nation or nationality, you should first become familiar with it's history. Poland is not a perfect nation by any means (show me a perfect one) however, your comments allude to issues you have absolutely no knowledge about.


Suggested reading:

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:32 | 4675360 Tengri Temujin
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Ok Markewicz Anthonykowski, easy with the bold and big type, its kind of rude dude.

By the way why don't you go to Poland any fight for your ancestry so a non Polish serviceman or woman in the USA armed forces doesn't have to die for your roots.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 18:12 | 4676142 dirtyfiles
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they die by the choice for the money not for USA what ever the country they send them to

if I remember corectly that was the polish special forces that seved bunch of lazy americans back in Irak during Bush war,so.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 20:49 | 4676401 Tengri Temujin
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The right of Free Speech does carry a certain amount of common sense responsibility - of which you have shown none

Funny how your qualifiers for the right of free speech are not in the Constitution, maybe at the next Constitutional convention you can add them in and you can sign the Constitution at the very bottom as Mark Anthony

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 11:04 | 4675431 Wolferl
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@ MarkAntony


Missed the part about the genocide the Poles commited to millions of Germans and about stealing German land in 1945 in your "suggested reading". Seems your knowledge of history is somewhat limited too.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 15:27 | 4675881 the_magician
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typical clueles nerd showing his masturbation skills. MAD! forget the fucking history, matey. its past. and fake. we have a hijacked polish goverment doing everything to accomodate the intrests and wishes of their pupeteers. whole history went to a fucking a fucking plane. i would slap you if i can. limp handed.


p.s. sorry for insults. self control is in short suplly nowdays 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:19 | 4674140 Old Man River
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Absolutely insane. I'm convinced that these global Bobs are hell bent on depopulation...just so long it's not them that's depopulated.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:23 | 4674152 McMolotov
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It would be a huge kick to the nuts if that Georgia Guidestones conspiracy theory turned out to be true.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:03 | 4674445 dow jones 20000
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Its pretty well established that the Guidestones are not a message for our time but a message to survivors/builders of some new civilization that emerges from the rubble of this one.

They're essentially an apocalypse-proof "How to rebuild society from scratch and not fuck up the same way we did" guidebook. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:00 | 4674266 Bindar Dundat
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I would just like to remind the PTB with Nuckes that Canada is VERY underpopulated with less then 35M people.  Perhaps we should consider Japan...oh wait 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:10 | 4674462 sleigher
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More and more I consider the side of some mountian in the Yukon or northwest territories.  Just F all of this crap, so sick of it. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:33 | 4674656 Cabreado
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"Absolutely insane. I'm convinced that these global Bobs are hell bent on depopulation...just so long it's not them that's depopulated."

I think you should consider being convinced that "depopulation" has nothing to do with it, and that sociopaths will be sociopaths, and the leadership landscape is finally Infested.

If you read into it too much, you will miss the simple...

Sun, 04/20/2014 - 17:27 | 4677900 laboratorymike
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You would be amazed how many people think:

"World War 2 made us prosperous and well-respected, therefore we need to start another war so we can go back to the good old days."

The greatest evils were committed by those who were convinced they were doing the most good.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:21 | 4674758 pigs-n-space
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I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."         -  Albert Einstein

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:19 | 4674844 Tengri Temujin
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wish he was right but there won't be any creature able to grasp any object left alive to throw anything, maybe those dung beetles in Egypt that roll the radioactive dung piles is about it.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 12:47 | 4675652 Loose Caboose
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Cockroaches and Keith Richards - the only survivors.  

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4674217 sushi
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First a pivot to Asia.

Now a re-pivot to back to Europe.

With all this dancing around the next move will be to issue tutus to the troops.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:59 | 4674242 McMolotov
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They already have those for the drag shows.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:03 | 4674280 DeadFred
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Hopefully the tutus are are gamma ray resistant

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:26 | 4674344 cossack55
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Fuck the pivot.  Lets square:


Allemande left with the corner maid

Back to your own and promenade


resulting in more US troops in Georgia, Finland and Turkey.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:51 | 4674404 RaceToTheBottom
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Put the re-pivot back Europe on the back burner.

Make every government building in the world an armed camp.

Every consulate, every office building, every single post office. 

Make post-people drive around mobile missle launchers while deliver junk mail to people on welfare.....


Nothing better than full retard, except fuller retard.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 13:10 | 4675687 XitSam
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What? I thought the pivot was to jobs.  Like this is the 6th or 7th Annual Summer of Recovery or something

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:15 | 4674309 Lost_River
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McMolotov, you reminded me of this quote:

 “The wrath of God lies sleeping. It was hid a million years before men were and only men have the power to wake it. Hell aint half full. Hear me. Ye carry war of a madman’s making onto a foreign land. Ye’ll wake more than the dogs.”

Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian


I share your fear of cosmic retribution.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:56 | 4674414 McMolotov
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Yeah, McCarthy's words are just a smidge more poetical than what I wrote, which probably could have been said without the profanity. Sometimes it just pours out like a dam that's sprung a leak.

Let hope we don't all get to reenact The Road, what with the baby barbecues and all.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:20 | 4674486 Lost_River
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I like the profanity...I have to read McCarthy 3x to figure out what he's covered precisely the same ground and I got it the first time!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:21 | 4674327 Leaping Lizard
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The Tylers

But why does Russia need to send a very clear message of escalation at a time when the Cold War is long over, when globalization and free trade, promote game theoretic world peace (or "piece" as the Obama administration wouldsay), oh, and when Russia quietly has decided to reestablish the former USSR starting with the Ukraine.

Are the Tylers trying to be "fair and balanced" even if they have to distort and twist facts like the rest of the USSA MSM?  They looking to engineer a merger with Faux News?  Exactly how has Russia attempted to re-establish the USSR prior to Ukraine being Nudelmaned a few months ago?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:22 | 4674645 TheReplacement
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I think that was sarcasm.  But to be fair and balanced, it takes two to tango and Russia has escalated things on their turns.  Does it not seem as if both sides will keep pushing until there is a fight?  I'm not talking about simply holding their ground but actually escalating and threatening.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:34 | 4674683 edotabin
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What even the most anti-MSM outlets won't tell you is that in an attempt to bring jobs back to the USA, return the world the world to a known state/order and combat global warming, they are building a huge refrigerator.

Never count on one source man


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:47 | 4674377 MarsInScorpio
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If you get around to reading The Book of the Revelation of St. John the Devine, you'll have a much better understanding of it if you understand that the US, and not Russia or China, is the Great Whore.


Amazingly, the Book is a great read for our time.


It's ability to remain relevant to humanity is the reason it continues to resonate.


And for the open-minded, of which the slobbering hate-speech evangelical Denialists fail to qualify, its many accurate references to modern technology expressed in the manner of a person limited to his own 1st Century CE descriptive relationships makes it even more remarkable.


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:17 | 4674475 kchrisc
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Isn't this really run by Israel and the Zionists wagging the DC US and Western Europe dogs around for their pipeline benefit?! You know, the ones that always have others paying the price. That is until the next pogrom.


"If the Nazis sprung from anti-semitism, then where did the anti-semitism spring from?!"


Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:13 | 4675320 Uncle Remus
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Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:30 | 4674669 Totentänzerlied
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The guilty, culpable, liable, and responsible are almost always smart enough to die before the shit hits the fan.

"Apres moi, la deluge."

A whole century of people couldn't raise so much as a peep against living by ever more debt, and by and large they'll have the good fortune to have already bit the dust when the bill arrives.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:03 | 4674278 StupidEarthlings
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Not sure why eryone keeps sayin just cuz theres a war..china will invade suttin.


Not really related.

If thers a war..china will sit..wait..and scrape up the pieces.


Not that it matters..there will be no war..this is theater for all you commenters to keep u busy.


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:09 | 4674294 Truther
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Damn..... I had my slingshot ready.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:32 | 4674997 Peanut Butter E...
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Defense industries going Ecstasy over this news and for all you short term investors it's best if you start buying defense industry stocks

Moar fire!!

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 05:31 | 4675101 IronForge
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Guess we can blame this on Mr. Brzezinski, Ms. Nuland-Kagan, and Company for their decades-long campaign to sabotage the USSR and then Russia via unscrupulous means at the expense of Ten Thousands of Lives and Millions Displaced the World Over.

One can say that they may be responsible for a good portion of any Terror Blowback we may get that stem from their Plans.  

I've been in Hostile Waters by Orders of Uncle Sam and Davey Jones; and I call Bullshit on their Geopolitik Strategies.  I say send them to the Front Lines with our Troops (with MREs, Field Rations, and Cots) until the Last of the Deployed Troops are recalled; and if the Troops are sent into Battle - they go along.


Sat, 04/19/2014 - 11:46 | 4675524 kananga
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I think we should blame it on a random African

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:05 | 4674092 onewayticket2
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if you like your treaty, you can keep it.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:05 | 4674093 pomlad5
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bomb Belgrade

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:35 | 4674197 netpounder
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NATO's headquarters are in Brussels, Belgium.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:51 | 4674240 DogOfSinope
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Belgrade, Montana?
Belgrade, Maine?
Belgrade, Minnesota?
Belgrade, Missouri?
Belgrade, Nebraska?
Belgrade, North Carolina?
Belgrade, Texas?

I run out of Belgrades in USA...

But, surely you didn't mean Belgrade, Serbia?
That one was already bombed by NATO. Funny thing, to illegally separate a peace of an UN member territory and build a military base on it - exactly what NATO is whining about when Russia got Crimea.

BTW, judging by the last millennium or so of history, the best indicator that some empire is roten to the core and is about to go tits up is - it attacks Belgrade in it's last act of madness.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:26 | 4674653 TheReplacement
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That or it attacks Afghanistan or gets into a land war in Asia (would that include Afghanistan?).

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:00 | 4674968 Kirk2NCC1701
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Picking Belgravia would probably do a lot more in wiping out banksters and ex-tyrants.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:09 | 4674094 lolmao500
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The deployment will probably include a full brigade, two missile batteries and two fighter squadrons of F-16s.

And of course they are talking more and more about giving lethal aid to Kiev.

Hitler's birthday on April 20, Lenin's on the 22... this should be an interesting week.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:26 | 4674160 McMolotov
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"Lethal aid." What a bunch of newspeak-y fucktards.

Will the lethal aid lead to kinetic military action?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:53 | 4674248 Rican
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"Lethal aid" is brilliant. Almost as good as "way of life" as a euphamism for hegemony. 

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:16 | 4675323 Uncle Remus
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Say "not negotiable" Dick.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:12 | 4674463 sushi
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Lethal aid for Kiev.

Kool aid for the rest of us.


Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:02 | 4674971 Kirk2NCC1701
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And band-aids instead of ICUs.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4674576 CoonT
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Don't worry. it's going to be time-limited....and scope-limited...all good brah!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:02 | 4674601 kchrisc
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Lethal is the new word for "MIC and Blackwater contracts."

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:32 | 4674674 TheReplacement
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I can't wait to see what kind of white pill junkie "patriot" goes nuts with an AR in some black, jewish, or LGBT gathering.  It's like they think we can't see that little trick from a mile away.  Reichstag fire false flag anyone?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:07 | 4674098 Son of Captain Nemo
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Moving too fast for "you"?!!!

After all. It's only a game of nuclear chicken we're talking about!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:08 | 4674100 NOTaREALmerican
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Wasn't Poland with us on our "search" for the Weapons of Mass Delusion?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:17 | 4674130 McMolotov
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Which begs the question of how many Polish troops it takes to find imaginary WMDs.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:09 | 4674102 Racer
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I didn't know Poland was a state of the USSA?

And what do the people who live there want? Don't get a say but don't want the big US BULLY on their land I bet!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:20 | 4674143 Telemakhos
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Poland identifies more with western (Catholic) Europe than eastern (Orthodox) Europe. The division between west and east today is basically little different from what it was during the later years of the Roman empire. Russia even still uses the 10th-century Palaiologos double-headed eagle from its Byzantine heritage, while Poland uses the single-eagle that you see more often in western countries (and the US).  Poland was pretty much on the wrong side of the divide during the cold war, just as Greece and Cyprus probably belonged on the eastern side (bonus question: which EU country had a communist government in the past five years?).  The Poles have Russian territory (Kaliningrad) and soon-to-be-Russian territory (Ukraine) as well as pseudo-Russian territory (Belarus) on their borders, and they are nervous.  They want western protection to keep from being pulled back into the eastern sphere, and working with the west means working with the US.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:56 | 4674254 paddyirishman
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which eu country had a communist gov in the last 5 years?


I know they're run by ex communists but none were offically commie I think not since 1989.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 00:42 | 4674957 Telemakhos
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Try Cyprus.  The Communist party (AKEL or "Progressive Party of Working People," an honest-to-Lenin Communist party: ) was in power under the leadership of Demetris Christofias right up until about a month before the financial metldown.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:59 | 4674265 Arius
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who do you think financed the crusaders? 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:09 | 4674292 Racer
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Why on earth do they want to side with the US bully and bankster theft? Spying and killing without trial and torture that the USSA does?


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:52 | 4674710 edotabin
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As bad as things are, they are still much better than what they had to live with under with the Soviet system.

I hope you didn't have to think about that one for very long.


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:09 | 4674293 DeadFred
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Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:17 | 4674320 Ifigenia
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History is not so simple, double-headed eagle was austro-hungarian empire symbol also. Poland was dismembered by three empires, Russia, Habsburg and Prussia in the 18th century.

So, forcing the divide and grudge between nations history to justify US empire building is just a propaganda trick.


In reality, what count are the interests of the elites of each nation.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:01 | 4674969 Telemakhos
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Yes, the Austo-Hungarians did use a double-headed eagle too, but for different reasons.  The Russians got it directly from the Palaiologi when the neice of Constantine XI of Byzantium married Ivan III, and it kept a place in Russian symbolism ever since.  It's a direct holdover from the Byzantine empire and a symbol of their place on the eastern (Byzantine) side of Europe.  In the West, the single-headed eagle was (and is still) more common, although at times the Holy Roman Empire (sometimes) and the Habsburgs (and therefore Austria, up through the first World War) adopted it, but not out of any direct connection to the Byzantine empire.  

Europe has very real divisions without any help from US propaganda; they just refuse to admit it until people start wars, and even then they'd like to just wish it all away.  Ask the Yugoslavians about that, or any of the various pseudo-nations like Abkhazia or Transnistria or, on the other hand, whatever parts of Chechnya the Russians don't control this week.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 08:23 | 4675202 Arius
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you seems to be a genuine person ... here is something you might want to look at it again:

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:57 | 4675416 Ifigenia
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1. Byzantine empire in other words Eastern Roman Empire and you would be surprise to know the name the people of that empire calling themselves.


2. Europe is a continent with a lot of states, so division and wars along the stream of history are common.

3. Now "Ask Yugoslavians about that, or any of the various pseudo-nations like Abkhazia or Transnistria or, on the other hand, whatever parts of Chechnya the Russians don't control this week" may i ask you which of these recents conflicts CIA didnt participate?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:22 | 4674146 Unknown Poster
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The USSR treated Poland a bit roughly during WWII. That could color some Poles judgement.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:21 | 4674329 Ifigenia
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the feud between this two slavic nations are milenium old, just like the chinese and vietnamese. If US had study History would not invade Vietnam to stop a uniied nation and now would have and ally.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:51 | 4674811 just-my-opinion
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yellowstone or nukes...I go with EMP...because time is short

Screw that damn know what happens next

World peice


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:09 | 4674106 onewayticket2
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"i voted for de escalation before i voted against it"  

- john kerry

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:10 | 4674109 R_Soles
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here it comes, here comes your 19th nervous breakdown.

I can't keep up with the nauseating BS anymore. Harper, our PM, says more sactions coming on Russia. Why don't we all just stay the fuck outta there before somebody does something stupid, the odds of which increase as the rhetoric and lies increase and of course the BS never goes away. What next? the USSR or whatever depoys nuke truck to the bordr. Give it a rest you dopey politicians

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:22 | 4674147 EconomicGenocide
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No offense to you or Canada, but if Harper could keep Netanyahu's cock out of his mouth for more than a minute he might be able to think straight!! That said most of the US Congress as the same issue!!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:12 | 4674836 freedogger
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So that's where he got that thing on his lip from. Wondered what that was...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:32 | 4674186 sushi
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In addition to filling his mouth withthe intimate details of other politicians, Harper also seeks to scare the EU over the security of their energy supplies. This then provides him with an opening to market tar sands to Europe and displace Russian energy sales.


Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:22 | 4674986 Kirk2NCC1701
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And when are Canadians gonna sanction him out of office, rather than complain?
What, you're afraid of his toy army and the bathtub navy?

No longer lumberjacks, and would rather press wild flowers? (cue Monty Python song)

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:12 | 4674113 cro_maat
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Latkes and Tyskie for everyone!!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:14 | 4674120 SpanishGoop
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I have to say we in Europe are stupid but you just beat us.


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4674349 Ifigenia
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Europe just pretend to be stupid and let the empire run the show. In the end the interests are their not our to confront Russia and stop the trade between us and Russia.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:15 | 4674123 dbTX
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Obama's bucking for a 2nd Nobel

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:20 | 4674142 SpanishGoop
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Well it seems he just inventiont the second version of dyn-o-mite.


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:30 | 4674126 tony wilson
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US Deploys Troops To Poland



where day comin from which lucky folks get to wrestle ivan.

from which us military base

i wonder should be real easy to works out given all the obarma peace dividends and base closures.

lets see whats left.




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Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:07 | 4674289 Charles The Ham...
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I'm only up voting this because the information about the bases was kind of cool. Your comment on the other hand, made absolutely no sense. I award you zero points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:26 | 4674494 Tengri Temujin
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There are going to be a shitload of unemployed military dudes angry and pissed off coming back when the dollar crashes and we can't afford to pay the bribes to keep the bases there. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:25 | 4674488 the_magician
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I love you man! Now say- Mieoaw!!! dont cry becaus of the haters, I am wid u!


edit- forgot to up arrow you, but now too lazy to go all the way up to in  your post. can your repeat?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:27 | 4674499 the_magician
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Shit, I just up arrowed my ego.What a douche.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:43 | 4674551 intric8
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Freedom costs plenty of cash, ey Wilson? Freedom from who, Russia? In case you havent noticed, the u.s. Is fucking broke. The american people need whatever cash she has on hand to pay for domestic bills. Im tired of eating instant noodles while my tax money goes to the very expensive build up of, how did they put it, "lethal aid" in fucking poland. So, "Lethal" (oooh, scary) and "aid" (the u.s. Is so humanitarian, wow!) is the jargon. Fact is, words are tools, aimed at sheeple so easily programmed these days. Gimme a break, wilson. Buy this poor, hot girl a steak dinner and i will entertain your madness further.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:28 | 4674664 tony wilson
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the ill oo zion of freedom me darlin

the rothschild illusion

mossad,cia and mi6 are your enema

not me

i will not be your butt plug or wip ping boys nose sir reay and being a veganerian i cannot buy youse steaks.

shirley buy the american  base list above it is clear who the villian of the peace is

breakdown is the agenda.

 bee collapse dissorder and rothschild order.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:04 | 4674725 Tengri Temujin
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Speaking of but plugs I hear they, for some people, increase the pleasure of sexual intercourse due to the rich nerve ending supply at the anus.  I thus would like to extrapolate that EU is looking to make the Ukraine one BIG BUT PLUG for the Euroland, it geographically fits if you consider Spain the head of Europe and italy the leg of Europe, then Ukraine is right about where the ass sits, that would  be Germany and Poland, two of the biggest assholes in Europe.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 23:51 | 4674882 intric8
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Ah. Agree on the rothschild and zionist agenda stuff, if thats what your gettin at, but some of your drivel is so self contradictory that i cant make it out. How about some clear prose for a change, wilson, your 'poetic' nonsense is giving me a headache!

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 00:30 | 4674921 tony wilson
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natalie wood was drowned murdered she sure looked good before her husband dumped her in der drink.

he was shit in heart to hart as max said when day met it was murder.


i am a river

i am stream

dyslexic buy nature

i surf the ebb and flow

a cod hack hacked

no poetry here

the lights flicker sometimes.


someones home


drowning in a sea of jewish saturnalia and its all nuclear.

arthur c once said to me

each one of us is battery and sometimes food

i laughed and did not reply

did not understand

energy and dark matter matters

ho hum

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 21:18 | 4674641 Cathartes Aura
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keep 'em coming Tonez, your indignant words fairly shine through the chatter, worth logging in to acknowledge. ..

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:17 | 4674128 Son of Captain Nemo
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Does anybody out there know the names of companies that will be providing the body bags and caskets for U.S. personnel being deployed to the borders with Russia?

Are they publically traded companies? And if so do you have the stock ticker names???

Don't know how long you'll be able to collect on that kind of investment when it goes "nuke" but hey the market(s) are there like the postman or so we've been told!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:26 | 4674161 Telemakhos
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You want Extra Packaging Corp. of Boca Raton, FL for body bags; Year-A-Round metal company of Minnesota used to make cases for transporting remains back to the US, but I don't know if they're still in business.  I think Extra is privately held.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:41 | 4674173 Son of Captain Nemo
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I can't believe I'm even saying this but "Thanks"!  Let's hope the boyz and girlz in the U.S. Armed Forces won't make that kind of windfall investment potential a reality and are ready to call it a day and raise that "middle digit" to this guy and the rest of the military's leadership!

Oh by the way watch the 3 minute video so that you can pinch yourself repeatedly and say "this isn't really happening -Is it"?

This "MoFo" is really insane!  And we'll be "MoFo" insane too if we do nothing by allowing this "shit" to continue!!!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:54 | 4674585 Flagit
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"We dont need a war,"

FUCK, they need a war!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:27 | 4674497 Tengri Temujin
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Figures these companies would be privately held, heck someone connected wants all the profits.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:27 | 4674498 Tengri Temujin
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Figures these companies would be privately held, heck someone connected wants all the profits.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:37 | 4674204 813kml
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You could buy stock in one of Uncle Buffett's insurance companies, or buy some Life Insurance Securites from the Grim Reapers on Wall Street.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:59 | 4674267 css1971
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War is about debt. Buy banks.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:17 | 4674318 DeadFred
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Caskets and body bags are pretty useless after a nuke goes off in you neighborhood. Your trip home is via the jet stream.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:35 | 4674362 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Caskets and body bags are pretty useless after a nuke goes off in you neighborhood. Your trip home is via the jet stream."...

Pick the artwork but your caption should be made into a poster and delivered to every fucked up U.S. military facility on the planet!


Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:30 | 4674504 Tengri Temujin
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Hmmm good point still a way we can capitalize on that one, offer a service that flies a plane into jetstream and filters the air and collects said dust when it reaches USA after circling globe and then give to parents a piece of the filter as a touching memorial to their sons sacrifice to Oligarch, Corporation, and Poland, and Israel.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:49 | 4674809 Son of Captain Nemo
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"offer a service that flies a plane into jetstream and filters the air and collects said dust when it reaches USA after circling globe and then give to parents a piece of the filter as a touching memorial to their sons sacrifice to Oligarch, Corporation, and Poland, and Israel."...

Damn what a capital idea that is as well!  Talk about mortuary ideas in a WWIII Apocalypse of the future?

Great minds on "ZH".  No wonder I love visiting this place for investment and "new business" venture ideas.

Nice work!  If we surviive (God for bid) I'm in on your idea!!!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:16 | 4674129 ThisIsBob
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All these people are displaying and spreading feathers like a bunch of strange looking  birds on a PBS nature show, and they seem to have the brains to match.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:29 | 4674165 Son of Captain Nemo
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Stop denegrating Class Aves.

One could argue that at least they didn't develop technology that could wipe all of their "Class roommates" off the map and would actually come to the realization that they would end up using all of them on a global scale!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:19 | 4674135 NOTaREALmerican
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Ok, ok, i've got it.    Tom Clancy really didn't die,  we're really characters in his new novel !

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:24 | 4674154 Son of Captain Nemo
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Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:19 | 4674136 evernewecon
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Democracy here and democracy there,

and cooperation, would be preferable

to selling monopoly for control/protection.


Economics is intrinsically fairly self-resolving

between sub-systems.  Where it's troublesome,

temporary concessions ("you'll just have to 

cut us a break for a while") is obviously

preferable to mass murder for profit.


So this still applies:




Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:20 | 4674138 swmnguy
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This crisis keeps trying to settle itself.  The neo-cons won't have that.  If "Yats" can't keep his clownshow running, we'll have to introduce other complications to keep the EU and Russia on edge.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:00 | 4674263 JustObserving
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Obama, Kerry and the neocons keep making up new lies as Paul Craig Roberts points out:

The latest deception cooked up by Washington or by the anti-semitic neo-nazi Right Sector in western Ukraine consists of leaflets falsely issued under the name of one of the leaders of Russian secessionists in eastern Ukraine. The leaflet calls for Jews to sign a registration and list their property. However, no such registration office exists. Washington’s ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt who assisted Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland in orchestrating the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian government and installing Washington’s stooges, declared the leaflets to be “the real deal.” But the Jewish community is suspicious and has issued a statement that the leaflet “smells like a provocation.” Jewish residents of the Russian territories that Soviet leaders added to the Ukraine Soviet Republic say that anti-semitism has not been a feature of their lives in the Russian speaking areas. See also:

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:20 | 4674144 cherry picker
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I guess no one has the guts to just say 'No'

Obama will do whatever his bosses tell him and the bastards are bucking for war so we can all buckle under further regulations and the thieves waiting to pick our pockets for a killing game which we should not be in.

Where are the four horsemen of the apoclypse when you need them, there are some governments who could use a cleaning out.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:21 | 4674145 Tracerfan
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Obama, Biden, the Joint Chiefs and NATO have shit for brains.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:39 | 4674207 ThirdWorldDude
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Or they all use the same teleprompter.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:37 | 4674365 Ifigenia
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NATO? who run NATO? USA, so it is just american show.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:31 | 4674505 robobbob
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but who runs amerika? its not the american people.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:38 | 4674530 Ifigenia
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I know. We are all victims of those neocons, zionists banksters.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:23 | 4674153 icanhasbailout
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Poland is one of the few countries in the world that is worth defending. That said, what's going on here isn't DEfense.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:27 | 4674162 Tracerfan
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Poland always chooses poorly.  Chose poorly in 1939 (rejected alliance with Soviet Union, France and Britain) and choosing poorly now (antangonizing a nuclear superpower).

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4674368 Ifigenia
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since immemorial time Poland elites sell the people to gain some interests for themselves..

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 04:18 | 4675074 Oliver Jones
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That really worked out very well for those elites killed at Katyn.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 11:01 | 4675427 Ifigenia
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they are not elite, just officers and soldiers killed by uncle Joe. At that time poles elites were divided and lived in London or Moscow.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:25 | 4674157 Tracerfan
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If Russian Kaliningrad oblast is touched by NATO forces, Warsaw can be turned to glass (2.5 minutes) faster than Obama can defecate and flush.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 22:06 | 4674728 Tengri Temujin
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The Poles and Krauts would love Kaliningrad the heart of ol Prussia

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:28 | 4674164 Make_Mine_A_Double
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I hope they bring a tank with them since we don't have a single one left in Western Europe (Strykers don't count - they are just heavy SUV's).

And the reason we have no armour left in Europe is Zero has force stripped every combat ready formation on the continent.

I've said it before - this assclown is going to get us into a hot war - not a police action - and than fold. And that will be the end of the dollar officially.  

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:40 | 4674210 813kml
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It can't happen soon enough.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 01:05 | 4674976 NickVegas
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All by design you fucking MIC shill.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 08:01 | 4675184 lakecity55
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Quite true. Read it in S&S.

Why build up conventional forces without armor, intend to sacrifice them?

Step back for a moment.

Bath House has gutted the operations capability of the services, yet is being ordered to place forces in danger w/o what they need to fight. So, one has to conclude he is setting up the service members to be wiped out. I have now come to the conclusion he was ordered on taking office to undermine the armed forces in any way possible, which he has done.

I would also advise any us serviceman he is now in danger of being set up and intentionally wiped out by the administration of the Bath House.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:29 | 4674172 geno-econ
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INSANITY ! Just what threat does Ukraine pose for US or EU security whether they elect to be closer to Russia or West ? Let them decide through a democratic process as a nation united or divided according to their historic regions. We do not need another Syria.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:34 | 4674195 novictim
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I was with you up to the point you gave yourself away..."according to their historic regions"...then I knew you were a FSB/Putin shill.

Tell your little Princess in the Kremlin that Ukraine will be the death of him if he pushes this shit further.  And we are going to take Crimea back.  Believe it.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:41 | 4674214 ThirdWorldDude
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"We"?  You, McStain and who else?

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4674222 novictim
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"We" being the citizens of the countries that signed the 1994 Budapest memorandum. 

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:57 | 4674257 ThirdWorldDude
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You mean, brain-washed zionist cannon-fodder pawns?

Learn to comply to ALL agreements that you've signed, not just the ones of your liking...

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:50 | 4674572 novictim
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"Learn to comply to ALL agreements that you've signed, not just the ones of your liking..."

-Total agreement on that one.  But the lead paranoid Jewish thing is a big yawn.

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 20:49 | 4674565 novictim
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When you see clean factual statements being down arrowed then you know the situation here...

...Kremlin cubicles stuffed full of low paid Putin flunkies.  Every down arrow is another badge of honor!

Fri, 04/18/2014 - 18:57 | 4674258 css1971
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With "you", being an armchair soldier 3000 miles away from the killing and maiming? You need to join up boy, feel the real action on the front lines.

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