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Ukraine "De-escalation" Voided As Pro-Russia Militia Refuse To Vacate Occupied Buildings
If yesterday we had questions about the half life of the effectiveness of the latest diplomatic de-escalation of Ukraine tensions 'achieved' in Geneva, following news that both Ukraine would continue its anti-terrorist operation and that fighting had broken out in various east Ukraine locations after the agreement, today any questions have been swept aside following news that the Ukraine "separatist" milita, who after all is the primary object of Ukraine "anti-terrorist activities", has announced that they will only leave the occupied east Ukraine buildings if the interim government in Kiev resigns. Denis Pushilin, a spokesman of the self-appointed Donetsk People's Republic, told reporters that the insurgents do not recognize the Ukrainian government as legitimate.
Indeed, in an amusing twist, the militia has flipped the Geneva agreement on its head, alleging that if they are to abide by a signed document, so should the "illegitimate" government, which as a reminder took power following a US-assisted coup, even though an explicit agreement was signed on February 21 between Ukraine and western powers previously retaining Yanukovich as president of the country, and ushering in presidential elections later in 2014. Needless to say, that agreement was made null and void within hours of signing. It is only logical, and perfectly expected, that so should this one.
"This is a reasonable agreement but everyone should vacate the buildings and that includes Yatsenyuk and Turchynov," he said referring to the acting Ukrainian prime minister and president.
More from AP:
Ukraine and Russia on Thursday agreed to take tentative steps toward calming tensions along their shared border after more than a month of bloodshed. But Pushilin, speaking at the insurgent-occupied regional administration's building in Donetsk, said the deal specifies that all illegally seized buildings should be vacated and in his opinion the government in Kiev is also occupying public buildings illegally.
The deal calls for disarming all paramilitary groups and the immediate return of all government buildings seized by pro-Russian insurgents in eastern Ukraine as well as pro-West right-wing protesters in Kiev. But none of the government buildings seized across eastern Ukraine has yet been vacated, according to local media.
Needless to say, neither the Ukrainian government nor as the Right Sector movement, whose activists are occupying Kiev's city hall and a cultural center in the capital, have commented on the call for buildings in Kiev to be vacated. One can assume they will hardly comply.
So what is the militia's demand?
Pushilin on Friday reiterated the insurgents' call for a referendum that he said will allow "self-determination of the people."
Or precisely what Russia wanted all along: a Crimea-style endgame, where the people are 'given the right' to determine their own future, as long as that future means becoming part of Russia in the coming weeks or months.
Finally, for those who enjoy updates from the ground, here is a BBC producer on location:
America kills south east! Slogan outside #donetsk republic HQ on east #ukraine pic.twitter.com/o4s46LHoPb
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
#Donetsk republic HQ: slogans: no to fascism, no to EU, no to US. #Ukraine east pic.twitter.com/NpnP7UFgef
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
Molotov cocktails and bricks on the ready at #Donetsk republic HQ, East #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/3AuPQcUCp5
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
Glory to Berkut! (Special forces used against #Maidan) slogan on #donetsk republic HQ east #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/CNDfiSVP1H
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
Inside #donetsk republic HQ: ready to resist the storming of the building. east #ukraine pic.twitter.com/RNBBJrJexa
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
'I get 1000 Hr per month as my pension. I cannot pay the bills. Putin, please save us!' #Donetsk republic female volunteer is crying
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
'#Kiev junta want power. That's why they want early election" #donetsk republic activist in east #Ukraine
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
#Donetsk republic presser: "We do not trust Kiev. Remember 21 Feb? An agreement was signed with #Yanukovich but not honored"
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
#donetsk republic presser: "we will not vacate the building. We are getting calls from towns and villages who are joining the republic."
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
#Donetsk republic presser: "thinking about a confederation with #Kharkiv and Lugansk regions" in east #ukraine
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
#Donetsk republic presser: "we are the #Russian bear which is waking up. We've been patiently waiting for the past 24 years" east #Ukraine
— Dina Newman (@Dinanewman) April 18, 2014
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Well.....this seems to be going well.
OK.....so who pulled that Jew registration stunt?
Fess up bitch!
For Putin, yes.
There can be no De-escalation when both sides are against the middle.
"We are the ones we've been waiting for...."
oh, really?
My humble recommendation to the Kiev Coup Kriminals is to blockade vodka sales to the south east Ukraine. I guarantee after a few days of mass delirium tremens, the Donestskers will comply <g> /sarc off
the insurgents do not recognize the Ukrainian government as legitimate
Pushilin on Friday reiterated the insurgents' call for a referendum that he said will allow "self-determination of the people."
How many of you bitchez out there have thought the same thing about the USA???
Governments are self-legitimizing which renders the concept of legitimate meaningless.
There is no de-escalation when the state is involved.
Sometimes, a hot cup of cardamom/Cinnamon tea with a twist of lemon makes everything better. Yep....
And who is theis Newman tweeting Noodleman's work?
Fire-klaxon's in Kiev go "Kaagan, Kaagan" O Witch!
the Geneva meeting included representation from US, EU, Russia, and the putschists.
There was no representation or participation by the Occupy forces in eastern Ukraine.
The Geneva meeting therefore gave recognition to the particpants in the illegal coup.
The structure of the Geneva meeting apppears to be based on the assumption that the Occupy groups in eastern Ukraine are Russian proxies, or under the control of Russia. I do not see evidence that this is true any more than the Wall St Occupy forces were under the control of Russia, or the Bundy Ranch militia were under the control of Russia.
I suspect what happens next is that the Occupy forces refuse to abibe by an agreement that they did not participate in and that Kerry Obama and the rest use this fact to further demonize Russia in a further escalation of the propoganda war.
I agree with you. But Russia must have anticipated this would be how East Ukrainian react. So, I am wondering what Russia's real plan is.
Russia is led by a nutty former KGB Colonel who wants to restore the Soviet Union.
Russia has "agreed" with this plan by a vote of "a whole shit load" Nereus one dude from Siberia "who was the only guy who was screaming about his god damn propane bill."
These outbursts go over well in Siberia and he is now "es muy popular."
As for all the rest of the propaganda loving ZH'ers here...I here the "clarion call" of "Death to America" and "Death to the Great Satan" loud and clear...but if the USA somehow "tricked" the Russians into doing this whole invasion of Western Europe thingy it ain't like Putie and the Blowfish are say "nyet" about it all either.
Lavrov is a friggin' peacock in my view. He is not speaking for what is a lunatic fringe, anti-semetic bunch of "Far Outers" who really seem to be all in on some crazy ideas.
Isn't Russia hard enough to run?
it is the will of the people-appears to be majority. they are thinking clear and have considered past present and future. parrelels to c bundy ranch standoff are glarring...
It is with people like you still around.
Re Disabled Vet
Please forget about Putin, Lavrov etc for a moment:
Have you considered that perhaps the people of the south east Ukraine want to be free of an illegal, exploitative, violent, warmongering oligarchically run government whose only goal is to bleed them dry of everything? That they want to be free of oppression and heavy handed central government mismanagement?
Brother, you have been spending too much time in front of the keyboard. Log off and enjoy life for a change <g>
No offense, but Yanukovich was all of that.
ALSO, EVERYONE in the current government are the SAME PEOPLE AS IN YANUKOVICH's GOVERNMENT. The top guys fled, and the next in line stepped up.
Go back and look at Yanukovich's old press conferences, you can see some of the current guys in the background.
The Ukraine is simply a very corrupt place from top to bottom.
"and the next in line stepped up."
As it has been happening for millions of years when the alpha-male was bested.
Most people are still animals.
Or DisVet is really Joe biden...
Going off the deep end will not get people to obey you. America thinks all mankind must obey, we sit here in America and send out orders to people how they must live, or we will kill them? How do YOU justify your privilidge to command others? I am curious. Explain how the Kiev coup makes them elected rulers of all Ukraine? Is this American freedom in the 21st century. I think it is, this is how America acts to rule or destory anyone who doesn't accept yopu command. And who are YOU to issue these commands?
Re what is Russia's real plan:
A master chess player like Putin never tells.
After reading the transcript of Putin' television address, I am convinced that he has no so-called "plan". That he is able to adapt, improvise, parry, and counterpunch US machinations is obvious. I don't see any reason to doubt the world view and convictions displayed in his many speeches and writings.
He will continue to practice damage control, minimize his losses, and reserves the right to defend his people with military force.
Re Jew Registration stunt,
the real joke is on the suckers who bought the lie. They will never, of course, Fess up.
Three possibilities:
1) Local Ukrainians who are more pro-West
2) Agents of the Gulf States - which in this case includes Israel, but who are mainly Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc, or in other words "Alternate Energy Suppliers".
3) 'Right Sector' False flag.
While Europe is increasingly anti-Jew lately, this doesn't match the rest of the Pro-Russian separatists behavior.
Friends,just see a very old russian music video ('1987). Russian and Ukrainian people - are the same. It's a factor, cause CIA doesn't undersnand its problem and the war it's'not possible).
There are a lot of USSR's nationalities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M20QDWd8t_s
This movie is 15 years old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFllqBHx6Wk
Uk is former Russia.
It is within their sphere of influence for over two centuries.
Russia must go in and restore order, then leave.
A Uk Federation would make more sense.
During the Mexican Revolution General Pershing went into northern Mexico. The US restored order and then left.
Not to the USA.
Got to stop a euro/euroasian trading bloc from forming.
Well, tough shit.
That side of the world has its own cultures, they do not have to bow down to a unipolar system.
but we can give them gay pride parades, partial birth abortions and chemtrails to help their GM crops to grow big and tall.
I have been in many, many violent situations around the world in my time.
However, the utter decadence of the USSA and the UK is, well, evil.
I wish no part of that culture, so I guess I am a bitter clinger.
the enemy within and everywhere is the media, hiding behind truth. they are least affected(by the media) unless otherwise to understand what they are up against.
the mindwash to gain momentum to overthrow another bad guy explains the statist of affairs controlling humanity-less there be a voice of truth-the people understanding what is really happening-that is where my hope lies. that lust for liberty...
You can't end a rant about depravity about the west with "c(k)linger."
dant na na na nant nant naa naaa............
Suicide is never painless.
pods
Winston Churchill,
re:Got to stop a euro/euroasian trading bloc from forming.
There is is. The heart of the issue, and the real game being played now by the US state department Nudelmaners, since they lost their opportunity to claim Crimea and evict the Black Sea Russian Fleet.
I might be wrong but maybe some in Ukraine have watched the EU playbook over the last few years and are going with option B?
Hell, with Greece and Cyprus in a permanent doggie style position I would do something besides permanent servitude to the banksters.
pods
Hell, the EU would probably just give Putin Greece and Cyprus. It would probably just take a phone call.
But the illegal occupation is in KIev. So they must vacate and their army must put down their weapons. Isn't that just what everyone agree to yesterday ? Checkmate. The legal game is over
Must is a tough nut to crack, and there is a law for unis, and a law for weins, and they AINT the same law.
Yet again Putin shows that he has trained under Kasparov. Lavrov's negotiations have further legitamized the Russian board position in eastern Ukraine.
Either the U.S. and EU cannot see 5 moves ahead or the psychopaths have a grand MSM Spin / False Flag / "Savior of the World Police Action" waiting in the wings.
Let's hope they are just incompetant.
I doubt it.
It smacks too much of PROPAGANDA: US (and now they've realized the EU is involved?) and EU are incompetent, and no match for their intellectual masters in Russia.
Puhlease!
More like Corrupt Oligarch groupss A & B in US and Europe and corrupt Oligarch group C in Russia!
I don't think either Putin (forget Lavrov, he's a cheerleader, not even a pawn) nor anyone in the West think the Geneva agreement is anything but a PR compaign.
The main junctions to Ukraine's energy pipelines are here:
http://www.eegas.com/ukraine_2014-03.htm
Funny how those are the same sites you'd have to control if you wanted to prevent interconnections in the Ukraine pipeline network, no?
Or...there's this one depicting South Stream. Note the commentary, "South Stream pipeline (red line) is designed to completely replace the Ukrainian transit".
Funny, but South Stream is very expensive and obviously goes around Russia's old pals, and they'd have us believe majority Russian population, in Ukraine.
Why would Russia prefer to spend huge sums to build a pipeline AROUND UKRAINE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BLACK SEA if they are such pals with the ones who run it - who are mostly in the East Ukraine?
WHY?
Here's a hypothesis:
- Parts of South Stream look technologically unfeasible.
Here's another hypothesis:
- South Stream works, but is economically unfeasible if another supplier uses Ukraine pipes.
Vast chunks of the Russian economy are GAZPROM and LUKOIL. Putin simply cannot ignore their needs.
Europe is unwilling to be a Russian satellite because of energy supplies, and will demand that the issue be resolved regardless of how many revolutions, civil wars, or outright wars are necessary to make it so.
The US is jealous of its position at the head of NATO and the post-WWII order, and must satisfy Europe's energy needs against Russia's blocking attempts or be replaced, triggering the end of the Petro Dollar, currency collapse, economic collapse, etc...
Three elephants (at least) with vital interests in the Ukraine who will not and cannot stand-down, nor even admit the real issues.
How is Geneva anything other than a PR stunt?
Thank you for the link to to gas pipeline junctions. Good post, +100
The separatists have a point and the higher wages offered by Putin and the supply of gas is a clincher.
Do the Western Powers have a better bid?
Or is the castor oil of the IMF the best they have?
Boys, i hear the 'pro russian seperatists', conveniently all wearing masks, are handing out 'anti semetic literature' . Kerry is demanding that Putin put an end to it immediately, as if he is directly friggin responsible for the nonsense. How long before the plan to successfully label Putin an 'anti semite' meets success? watch the liberal media keelhaul him with 'jew hater' characterizations so the sick nc warplanners can check off step 7 in the playbook.
i said it alls along putin is der new hiltler and foregn minster kissov is colonal gobballs propaganja minster
as we speaks thousands of new anne franks are being hiding in lofts writing diereys.
its gonna makes a beutiful sad spielbergur movie.
it so sad that the first and the last to suffers is allways the jewisher
putin is a brute looks what he did to john kerrys face knocked him up black and blues keery is jewisha.
i bets kerry refused to fill in the forms and put on star of david badge like they had in the hollow cause.
kerry said no and putin went ape on kerrys long sad poor face
No,
Putin just has a bad case of Cold-War-Itis.
As a result he is maneuvering as though he were in a bi-polar world, where in fact there are now at least three and maybe four superpowers.
Yep, Tony. and the check is in the mail. and you wont cum in my mouth.
The West is offering unlimited debt servitude and a free toaster.
Most Ukrainians are holding out for Spiderman towelz! :>D
Washington DC Globalists kill the sick and the elderly in the United States and the DHS on behalf of the globalists are preparing to kill millions of United States of America's citizens.
So quit your complainin Ukrainin.
There was just a report on NPR about a call to militias to organize in my state. I was never so glad to live around so many gun nuts, the US may get wars from both within and without.
It seems obvious that amalgamating the Eastern part of Ukraine does not sit high in the list of Russian priorities.
Putin has played his cards well. If he would have stopped at the amalgamation of the Crimea, the world would be focused on that point. By allowing animal spirits to prevail, a little over-reach was accomplished, which re-directed the world's attention away from the Crimea. Stepping back from the precipice cements Putin's position at the head of the table.
Stepping back from the precipice allows the Ukrainian political process to take it's course in the May election. At that point, Russia can calmly look at the positives and negatives of absorbing other parts of the Ukraine. In the meantime, the pro-Russian hammerheads who don't take orders will be dealt with by the Ukrainians. All in all, Putin's hand is strengthened.
Putin got the cards he wanted from the deck.
Putin just waiting for a little more of the nasty stuff then the tanks will roll... the Geneva meeting is a smoke screen
Well, that de-escalated quickly into a re-escalation.
wwIII, bitchez.
bang dai ho before it's too late
Anybody click to see what is beneath the blanket of the RALLY Siamese Twin girl ad? I'm afraid to click on it.
Hmm...
Strange how the de-escalation news came out, knocked Gold below $1300 BEFORE a 3 day holiday .....although why Gold needs to go up only in there is a civil war, is beyond me !!
Well they aren't legit. Except to the US and EU. I don't know how they think they can get away with this shit? I guess when you're crazy you think you can do anything.
When a person can get elected US president while providing no personal background, except an obviously forged birth certificate, you'd be amazed with what people can get away with.
The probelm isn't with Russia, Ukraine or even the US government. They ALL know what they are doing. We, the fucking sheeple however, do not.
This government lies on TV, startight to our faces, every day. No one has yet to do dick about that. So of course they do what they want. What you gonna do?
In regards to "providing no personal backround" I would add
Prez0 rise to the top, just parse through his career.. (what has he ever accomplished?)
The only noteworthy 15 mins of fame for this chode are his 2 rants on the floor as senator #everyoneshouldhavetherighttoownahome and #Iamagainstraisingthedeptcieling.
The birth cert. I believe was a ruse to divert attention from the unqualified and unaccomplishment that sums up prezero period.
I don't think anyone thinks the Kiev regime is legit.
However, that is not a reason to proactively declare all elections in the future illegitimate.
If the May elections which have not been held yet are illegitimate, then why should anyone believe any referendum will be more legitimate.
Can't have it both ways.
It bought time for Putin and time/cover for Mr. Ed. And supposedly will provide cover to a NATO incursion. When the outcome is inevitable both sides need time to better coordinate efforts.
Both sides manuvered, both sides will claim the "right" to be right. Both sides align with "the will of the people".
Funny, but this part of the planet has a tendency to start world wars.
The Nobel Prize Winner keeps ratcheting up his lies and pressure on Russia:
Obama’s denunciations of Russia for “interfering” in Ukraine continue the brazen lies and distortions that have characterized the statements of US and European officials, amplified by the media, since the onset of the crisis in Ukraine. Anyone who has been following the events knows that it is Washington, Berlin and the European Union that provoked the crisis by orchestrating the overthrow of the elected, pro-Russian government of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych—interfering in the affairs of Ukraine by carrying out a putsch and utilizing fascist parties and militia as their shock troops.
As the Geneva talks were ongoing, the Obama administration provocatively declared that it would step up aid to the armed forces of the Kiev regime, in line with a continuing NATO escalation in Eastern Europe announced the day before by NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced the increased aid after talks with his Polish counterpart, Tomasz Siemoniak, on boosting the NATO military presence throughout Eastern Europe. He said Washington would ship medical supplies, power generators, helmets and other equipment to the Ukrainian army.
Washington’s military support for Kiev is part of a continuing build-up across the region, aimed at encircling Russia. Hagel announced a new “air defense cooperative” between the United States, Poland, Romania and the Baltic states. It will see stepped-up deployments of US warplanes and missiles to Eastern Europe and of US warships to the Baltic and eastern Mediterranean Seas.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/18/ukra-a18.html
This comedy is of high order, This is farce that would have made Shakespeare proud of if he could have written this
When imbeciles and deluded and insufferably arrogant pontificating but thoroughly incompetent and clearly mentally challenged actors walk onto the stages in Geneva and elsewhere, it really takes a moment to allow the full depth of their infantile ramblings and regurgitated drivel, to show itself for the wonder it has become.
A True depiction of insanity, not even Goethe could have painted anything to match what these people plunder in their absolute masterpiece in showing the rest of of the world what it must be like teetering on the very edge of epic mental breakdown and stark staring bonkers.
A true delight to watch, and as a critic I can recommend it unreservedly and will absolutely assure all those watching will laugh from beginning to end and then pray their suffering comes to a sudden and abrupt end by being blown to pieces with a short fused stick of nitro wedged up their fat pompous rectums.
Looking at these photos, my question is: What will we use in the USA for barricades and molotovs? 90% of our bottles are plastic and where can you find a good stash of old tires anymore? We don't have cobblestone roads that we can tear up and most areas around public buildings have been fortified in the past decade with heavy duty tree planters and concrete jersey barriers.
You can find oceans of old tires at any junkyard, and near most landfills. You just have to leave the urban-suburban enclave.
The heavy duty tree planters and "jersey" barriers make great barricades. You just need some friends to help you move them.
GM might find a use for their huge oversupply of crap cars as barriers. They aren't fit for driving anyway. The gigantic private arsenal in the US can replace the Molotovs, but there's enough plastic shit in the US that will burn just fine.
How can this be resolved?
This guy in Donetsk will not tolerate elections because he proactively declares them illegitimate due to Kiev's illegitimacy.
So if elections are illegitimate, why would you ask anyone to believe that referendums are legitimate?
Something stinks here.
Commie Russian rat bassturds
It's a country of Corzines
Nuke Moscow now before we have spend another gazillion stopping them
Bullish for goodyear and firestone?..
THE NEW WWE TAG TEAM
obama destabilizes
putin takes it over
VLAD, I WILL BE MORE FLEXIBLE AFTER THE ELECTION COMRADE...
if you like the ukraine, you can keep the ukraine.....
"The Global War on Terror has been such a disaster and it has done nothing but created more chaos, more than the US could ever have hoped to solve. So, now I think a lot of it is they have wanted to go back to this Cold War mentality, it was safe for the US when the US was just opposing Soviet Union. If you look at it now, it was actually a very stable time and you knew what each side wanted, what their foreign policy was, what they were going to do, now there is nothing that the US can control anymore.”
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/04/us-failures-leading-to-us-sel...
The global war on terror may have been a political and economic disaster for America, but the military industrial complex has profited mightily So have the political elites: War is the health of the state.
That was stable until the Islam fanatics came.
What is really interesting is that the Bundy threads bring out the .gov trolls by the dozen; whereas the Putin threads only draw out the usual Red team cheerleaders.
It's pretty obvious that FedGov views armed US citizens as a far greater threat than Vladimir Putin. This is because FedGiv views foreign affairs as a game. They know armed US citizens + US Constitution = death knell for traitors.
the insurgents do not recognize the Ukrainian government as legitimate.
How about populations just about everywhere with all the smoke and mirrors recognize their goverments as legitimate democratic governments but minority elite ruled nartions.