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Chinese Police Forces To Carry Guns For First Time In Over 60 Years

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Following the Kunming massacre disaster (knife attacks on March 1 at a train station in China's southwestern city of Kunming left 33 people dead and 130 injured) and the recent violent civilian unrest against the Chengguan, The Wall Street Journal reports that over the weekend, more than 1,000 street-patrol officers began carrying 9mm revolvers, Shanghai's Public Security Bureau said. Several other cities across China were set to begin similar programs. Officials said officers are getting training in the largest cities in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hunan, Sichuan and Yunnan, where Kunming is the capital. This comes over 60 years since Mao Zedong - who famously said "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" - stripped weapons from many police officers shortly after he rose to power in 1949.

 

As The Wall Street Journal reports, over the weekend, more than 1,000 street-patrol officers began carrying 9mm revolvers, Shanghai's Public Security Bureau said.

Shanghai officers, according to the city police bureau, will increasingly be equipped "to respond to all violence and terror" with a revolver using real and rubber bullets.

 

It said officers are getting training in the largest cities in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hunan, Sichuan and Yunnan, where Kunming is the capital.

 

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"They would be able to react more quickly to emergencies if they carry guns on duty," said criminal lawyer Zhang Ping of Beijing Yuandu Law Firm. He said Chinese law-enforcement officers have long had access to guns but usually leave their weapons at station houses.

 

"I don't know if this is a positive or negative development for Chinese police,"

The move marks one of the biggest policy turns in law-enforcement strategy in decades...

Mao Zedong —who famously said "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"—stripped weapons from many police officers shortly after he rose to power in 1949.

 

As civilian gun controls tightened significantly through the 1960s, some basic law-enforcement duty shifted to neighborhood committees run by the Communist Party.

 

Under Shanghai's new gun policy, police weapons will be numerically controlled and armed officers are required to write a report each time they so much as pull the weapon from its locked holster.

 

The police statement said selected officers received at least 24 hours of classroom training and 100 practice shots to start, and played down risks that a weapon could go off accidentally or get stolen.

In the past year, 449 police officers died in the line of duty, up 4.4% from 2012, the Ministry of Public Security said.

While the agency's statistics don't make clear whether violence caused those deaths, police in China died on the job at a rate marginally higher than their U.S. counterparts

We leave it to Beijing's police official to conclude...

"Violent crime and the extreme behavior of some individuals have become real threats to public security and people's safety...

 

From now on, Shanghai police can open fire to stop violent crime if faced with situations like the Kunming attack."

One has to ask, why now? What are officials so afraid of?

 

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Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:20 | 4685037 Future Jim
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I hope they will finally allow the Chinese serfs to own guns.

Also, revolvers don't come in 9mm.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:26 | 4685066 e_goldstein
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Also, revolvers don't come in 9mm.

They can, albeit it's rare.

http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/charter_pitbull_79920.asp

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:36 | 4685094 Slave
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9mm is gonna suck out of those tiny little revolvers they are gonna have. They probably won't even have 6 shots....or hollowpoints. Good luck piggies.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:48 | 4685130 THX 1178
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Yeah, the USA has been militarizing their police too. This seems like a trend somehow....

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:19 | 4685136 dryam
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When the population on this planet has grown in an artificial way because of cheap energy what happens when cheap peak energy has been hit?  The population decreases as rapidly as it increased (actually faster because of the over-shoot phenomena).  

Oil gives cheap food, the ability to process that food, and distribute it to all corners of the earth while people sit on their ass & watch American Idol.  Oil also gives all sorts of other goods and products that provide the framework for our complex society & population.  One barrel of oil equals 23,000 man hours of work.  That equates to something like 8 years of work by a single man working 10-12 hour days getting holdidays & weekends off.  Take a look at world population growth curves and overlay that graph with the harnessing of fossil fuels.  Always look at the global chessboard in the context of countries manuvering for the most valuable resource on earth.  If you do that, the daily news will make a lot more sense.

Once peak cheap oil is hit, everything slows & resources become more scarce.  As resources become more scarce crazy shit happens.  Humans are driven by 4 fundamental things:  feeding, fucking, fighting, & fleeing.  When feeding & fucking become scarce it's a given fighting will occur, between countries own citizens & between countries themselves.  There will be more & more upheaval worldwide.

 

Btw, the ongoing financial/monetary global train wreck is as much related to peak cheap oil than anything else.  The concept of "money" and "financial assets" are diverging from real world resources, and will continue to do so.  Governments are doing their darndest to come up with financial solutions to real world resource limitations.  Their treatment has nothing to do with the real disease & everyone wonders why the patient continues to get sicker.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:39 | 4685246 SafelyGraze
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"Mao Zedong - who famously said "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" - stripped weapons from many police officers shortly after he rose to power in 1949."

because he feared that the police would rise up against the state?

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 23:07 | 4685320 old naughty
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are you saying he is turning in his "housing" now?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:21 | 4685547 james.connolly
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Mao clearly understood real world politics.

He understood that 'modern policing' post 1890's was 100% a tool of the capitalist's.

He saw "POLICE" as enemy's of the people, and protectors of the Oligarch's.

So, yes he made sure the police were un-armed and not capable of inflicting harm, that said he always had his secret plain clothes police that were armed to the teeth, not unlike our BATF, FBI, FEMA, DHA,.. Secret Service.

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I really don't advise wasting time studying the CHINESE street cop's, why not the TYLERS talk about the MSS ( chinese CIA ), now there would be some interesting shit.

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To the communists even in the time of MARX & ENGLES the "POLICE", were just a tool of the BOURGEOIS, a means where the little people could be controlled.

Long ago, say +150 years ago AMERICA the SHERIFF ruled, he came of the people, and the people controlled him, the modern POLICE, have always been under PTB control since day one (1890's). All cop's know this, and they know that the PTB is their master and little people only are for FUCKING.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 23:25 | 4685359 Lore
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Nice bit of regurgitation, but let's also remember that the "Limits To Growth" Agenda 21 model for world affairs is as simplistic and dishonest as it is self-serving. Most of the world still has yet to benefit from cheap energy, thanks mainly to suppression by different iterations of the bankster pathocracy. One's appreciation for cohesion within and among ascendant developing cultures grows when one realizes how many of those people have not sat behind the wheel of a car, shopped at a big box retailer or even sat on a decent toilet. Such cultures -- solvent, with hard-backed currencies -- will benefit from forward-looking policy in such areas as infrastructure, domestic manufacturing and alternative transport, much to the detriment of gasoline- and debt-enslaved cultures like ours. (Wealthy Chinese buy cars, but the most popular vehicle by far is the economical electric scooter. There's a reason why the Chinese ration their rare earth metals. They need 'em! )

The shape of the depletion curve for Peak Oil is as much a matter of circumstantial regional drilling restrictions as it is of natural geological endowment. In other words, look at a world map and you find vast areas remain untapped. He who controls the spigot controls the currency. That is a major driving concern behind the scumminess witnessed recently in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. We have exploited our resources and expect others to use our banks to exploit theirs. It's stupid!  In their supreme arrogance, our banksters attempt to hijack the resource collateral of the entire globe, not recognizing their own decrepitude and obsolescence.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 00:09 | 4685456 dryam
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Agreed. 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 05:47 | 4685750 Frankie Carbone
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You're not understanding exponential growth, particularly that related to human population growth - which is exponential - and per/person energy consumption, also exponential (due to increases in technology, particularly quantity of technology, and access to technology as one becomes more prosperous). 

Assume Fenway Park is waterproofed and start with dropping one drop of water on the pitcher's mound. Then double it every minute. If the park overflows with water at 12-midnight, at what time was there only a foot of water on the field?

11:53 pm. 7 minutes to midnight. 

No, there are NOT plenty of resources left. Otherwise we would not be resorting to fracking or drilling several miles into the Gulf, where a hundred years ago you merely stuck a pipe in the ground. 

We're scraping the bottom of the barrel, and lifting restrictions on scraping more of the bottom of the barrrel is not going to solve anything. 

Worse, the harder it is to recover energy (energy invested), the lower the yield (energy returned). This is called ERoEI (Energy Returned on Energy Invested) and that ratio has also been plummeting exponentially.

There is no magical solution. It does not exist.  

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 06:28 | 4685822 Groin
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You are being too polite, he is completely full of shit. The rate of growth in the worlds population is declining and has been for 50 years. That is the paramount leading indicator.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 22:56 | 4689134 Lore
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Population is rising and falling in different parts of the world. What are the reasons given, and what are the real reasons? Stop parroting and start digging. Don't take your truth from mockumentaries and self-serving institutions. A salesman never pans his snake oil.  Good luck to you.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 23:10 | 4689115 Lore
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I'm well aware of EROEI, and the way you talk is entirely valid within a limited frame of reference. I used to talk exactly as you do. I still have a pile of Club of Rome propaganda in my library. Everyone needs to travel a bit and gain some real world experience in order to see just how big the world is and how much potential remains, and how controlled and fogged western public perception is become, most dramatically in North America and England.

Reconsider your bias. The excessive simplicity of your analogy illustrates my point beautifully. All else being equal, your puddle might grow at the suggested rate, but all else is NOT equal: water evaporates, flow fluctuates, ground is porous, pipes leak, countless other variables come into play.  That's why "Limits to Growth" was so dumb, and why the IPCC keeps falling down, treating the world like some controlled cartoon environment where all the variables are known and conditions are controlled. Real science doesn't defend lies. It debunks them!

Where do you think BP would drill if it had unlimited discretion? It wouldn't be the Gulf. Think outside the institution. Good luck to you.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 09:01 | 4686140 Debt-Penitent
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One barrel of oil equals 23,000 man hours of work.  That equates to something like 8 years of work by a single man working 10-12 hour days getting holdidays & weekends off.

 

What?  Are you on something? 

 

A barrel of oil even at $100 is worth five ounces of silver and even at Roman wages of a tenth of an ounce a day, that's 50 days, seven weeks of hard labor.  Where do you get such rediculous numbers of 23,000?  References?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:55 | 4686496 fallout11
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That is the amount of energy (i.e. capability to do work), in kJoules, in a barrel of oil.  Horsepower to horsepower, if you will.

 

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:40 | 4685251 Kirk2NCC1701
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So... not Made in USA?

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:11 | 4685178 BandGap
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.357 Taurus seven shot, 158 grain hollow points. It's a beautiful thing.

9mm is a nice round but they need semi-autos for that, it's a roundcut down in size so you have more space.  They put the 9mm in revolvers to cut the recoil (according to Charter Arms, the latest entry into this category). When I use .38 mmo in the.357, the recoil ain't shit. Blam!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 05:50 | 4685754 Frankie Carbone
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My brother got a Taurus .357 for xmas two years ago. It rusted in 2 months, and yes, he takes care of his firearms. 

Taurus. The Yugo of firearms. 

Go get a Ruger GP100. You can drive a tank over it. 

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 23:50 | 4685419 HardAssets
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Lets see now. Youre a thug who likes to beat up and sometimes kill people. Now you have a nice lil' ole' 9mm wheel gun with six shots.

I'd put my money on the hundreds of pissed off people with clubs and bricks surrounding those thugs on all sides.

While the thug is waving his 9mm at people, he's very likely to catch a brick tossed to the back of his head from someone. Once that happens, its all over for Mr. Thug.

Maybe it would be better to find another line of work.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 09:20 | 4686188 detached.amusement
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curious how that's going to work out when the people have to bribe the police to even do their job in the first place.  (and everyone knows it, on top of that...)

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:45 | 4685116 james.connolly
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My favorite carry weapon is a 9mm snub-nose, hammer-less revolver,
I can carry it and shoot it from my pocket or jacket pocket and no hammer to catch on clothing, it hold 5 rounds with a clip for fast reload.
A revolver doesn't dump cartridges all over the
ground for the bad guys to trace back to you,
I can get the 9mm in anything from exploding, to
expanding piano wire, to exploding-shock, I can also get sub-sonic 9mm so I can easily go silent anytime I wish.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:45 | 4685118 seek
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Not just the pitbull. SP101 was in 9mm for a while, Taurus 905, Smith & W 929. Lots of people have played with the idea since it's basically a .38 taking more common ammo.

One of these has been on my to-buy list forever, and this just reminded me. You can never have too many, you know.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:12 | 4685175 Colonel Klink
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Ruger SP101 is still 9mm capable.  Only thing necessary is the half moon clips to hold the rounds.  Will work in any .38 special/.357.

 

I hope the Chinese police are a better aim than the expert marksmen of the NYPD.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:14 | 4685189 seek
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Do you have a reference for that and/or anyone that's done it reliably? That'd make me buy a 101 tomorrow if true and reliable.

I've been looking at used 9mm 101s but those things are up to $900 now!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:50 | 4685592 Tulpa
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Uh, no.  Do not ever fire ammunition that is of a caliber not listed on the side of the barrel, even if it looks like it fits in the chamber.

There are some "convertible" Ruger revolvers that are designed to handle 9mm and 38/357 but they will explicitly have that fact engraved on the side of the firearm.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:10 | 4685176 james.connolly
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Yep, that's the one I love the SW 929, I used to first think it was a 'lady's gun', cuz it can be shot from a handbag, and not having the hammer means you never get caught on anything, especially important is not having a hammer means you can shoot from inside your hand-bag,

 

90% of getting away from murder it not having the victim see the weapon until he's dead, same with knife fighting a serious fighter/killer always knows to make sure his victim is DEAD before he knows your armed. By that I mean you don't SEE my knife, until you first see your own blood, you don't know you I have  shot you until after you have been shot, this way there is no way they can fight back. It's the secret to winning all battles, study art-of-war, "First they see Red",... makes sure the first thing the victim ever see's is his own blood, even before he see's you.

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WRT to the dumb shit here about stopping power, sure I love the 45ACP, but its generally too big, and it gets caught on shit, real killer's like to carry the little 22, they're reliable hold 10 shot clips and you simply "T" your victim meaning you place round in each eye, and the nose, and few in his sternum, 4-6 shots and their dead, and no body and nothing can bring them back.

Stopping power is for a guy that's rushing you, and is on full steam, like the MORO warriors  and marines carrying 45acp to stop them, but for survival type SHTF shooting you got to be think about 'getting away with murder', which means you got to think like a professional killer and carry a small gun, that can be disposable, and is common.

If the STHF you can't just think about a one time battle, but you got to be thinking about winning all battles and making it all the way to the end game and never getting caught.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 00:51 | 4685513 Terminus C
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There is no "end of the game".  But being smart about your weapons is good advice.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:13 | 4685541 james.connolly
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The end game in all MARTIAL ARTS is to live a "LONG AND HEALTHY LIFE",

Any time you can walk away from a battle, then your a winner, if you can make it to old age and still have a good life, then you win.

To fight a 100 battles and never lose one, requires critical think, to know yourself, to know the enemy.

Like I said, when you engage the ENEMY, you kill HIM, before he even becomes aware of you. This is the secret of walking away from 100 battles.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 05:53 | 4685756 Frankie Carbone
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I carry an SP101 357 with Federal reduced recoil 125 gr hollowpoints. LOVE that pistol. 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 06:13 | 4685786 james.connolly
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDEUilv7SUk

Bobbed Hammer? Right? 357, but hell somebody probably makes a bobbed-hammer 45MAG right? :)

Great gun, .. perfect for a little women to carry in her purse. Don't even have to remove the gun from the purse just, just go into weaver-position, with the gun in the purse, shoot, and then drop the purse to the side and keep walking.

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I remember years ago, maybe 20+ my ex-wife wanted to 'shoot' one day, and I brought the 9mm bobbed-hammer '929', which like I said, "Lady's Gun", ... I said ok dear shoot, she's a hard core liberal, but in her mind any idiot could shoot a gun, and I guess that day she wanted to 'shoot', maybe to prove something to herself, I don't know.

So I handed her the gun, explained how to do it [ how to stand, hold a gun, and pull the trigger on a revolver, even drew a little picture of how sight alignment work's ] and she knocked off a round, no evidence on the stump I directed her to shoot again, she knocked off a few more and she said "This gun is no good", ... I said nothing wrong with the gun, asked her for it back, reloaded and nailed 3 rounds all near the same hole in a chosen location, then I handed the gun back to her, and again, she couldn't even hit the stump, and it a big stump several feet wide, ... and she was back about 10 feet. Then she told me "Shooting isn't so easy, as I thought it would be be?", then I said, it takes a lot of training, and then you have put yourself in "STRESS", and then really learn what you got.

She quit, ... to bad I think she could have got it, but she is one of those kind of women that would kill a man in a nano-second if he tried to rape her, so its probably good she didn't take up carrying firearms.

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Shooting isn't easy, ... but then you read every day about a cop dumping his 17 round magazine, and only 3 shots hitting the victim, ... no shooting isn't easy, and toss in stress and most can't even hit the side of a barn.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:38 | 4685080 Ralph Spoilsport
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Maybe it's this one that seems to fire the entire cartridge:

https://twitter.com/DividendMaster/status/458603493276676096/photo/1

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:54 | 4685148 taniquetil
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Sure they can.

 

In America, we have the .38 police special, as well as the .357 magnum, which are both pretty close in diameter to 9mm.

If the Chinese decide to borrow from the Russians, they could always use a clone of the MP412 REX, which accomodates both .357 magnum and .38 special.

 

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:09 | 4685173 B_V
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Future Jim!  It's ignorant statements like "Also, revolvers don't come in 9mm." that make me question what I read on this interweb.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:57 | 4685601 Tulpa
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He was mostly right.  There are very few 9mm revolvers in the world because the round makes no sense in a revolver.  The cartridge doesn't have a rim so you need to use moon clips.  They're collectors' toys.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 03:37 | 4685684 james.connolly
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Look at it this way, ... its about AMMO, what kind of AMMO do you have?

I prefer 45acp, and 308win, ... but then 30-06 is black-tip is required to take out a V8 engine block [ M1-Garand ], ... then again a 9mm is very common in most AUTO hand-guns, ...

For me I want a hammer-less, revolver the kind you can stick up a mans ass and discharge the round the hammer doesn't get caught on clothing, and round up the ass muffles the sound,and also is impossible to FIX, so a terrible death is most certain.

Sure its most fun to own the BIG revolver say the 44MAG, but where in the fuck do you carry that bitch? The little 9mm hammer-less can be kept anywhere, but the coat pocket is best,

I think its important to limit types of ammo, given a stock of essential 223, 45, 9mm, and 308win,... 00-buck and slug, it would crazy to have any other kind of ammo just because of some silly revolver.

 

Sure my favorite handgun is the 45acp colt government & officer model, but fuck, its big, and its basically a 'statement gun' and not a killer's gun.

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Let's do the essential ammo for range,

45acp/9mm close range less than 10 feet

12 gauge 00-buck/slug 10-50 feet - shotgun 570 mossberg pump universal clearing tool, a MOSS with 5 00-bucks in the chamber and 5 on the stock, can deliver 100 9mm rounds in a few seconds, better than any machine gun

223 m16 50-200

308 win sniper 200 - 1500 meters, any good bolt gun, think OSWALD

out past 1500 meters you might want 50 caliber barret, that can take you to 1-2 miles

 

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but the 9mm revolver isn't a toy, in certain missions you don't want cartridges falling on the ground, and you don't want an unreliable 'auto' as ALL auto's can be unreliable, also a recoil handgun can't be shot from inside a bag/coat or pants, well not with any reliability,

 

Remember its all about 'getting away', so reliability must be 100%, having funny ammo like 38, or 357, ...that only works in one type of gun is crazy, ... better to have just a few kinds of ammo that work in all guns.

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 06:01 | 4685762 Frankie Carbone
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Corbon 115 gr +P rounds are devasting and make "the 9" a serious contender. 45 ACP also a fine round, particularly in cold weather (where heavy clothing causes HP's to fail to expand) where simple ball ammo from a 45 will penetrate thick winter coats. 

Placement counts first, that is true. But I am not going to pretend that I am immune from an adrenalin dump or fight or flight effects. That's why a "9" with a 20 round mag is a nice option when loaded with the Corbons. 

Not talking about spray-and-pray, but the first couple of shots are likely going to be ineffective when assaulted. In the few seconds where (hopefully I recover my cool in time) the attack on you happens, some ammo is likely to be wasted. Nice to know that I have 15-17 rounds left to make it count. Particularly with multiple assailants. 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 09:50 | 4686268 zjxn06
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Barney Fife would be proud!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:47 | 4687416 ALPO
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> Also, revolvers don't come in 9mm.

It isn't 9mm Luger (aka 9mm Parabellum), but a new cartridge designed specifically for this revolver. The bullet diameter is nominally 9.0 mm so calling it a 9mm cartridge is accurate. I'm not sure what the official Chinese designation for this round is. It is similar in dimensions to the old .38 S&W (not .38 S&W Special) except the case is approximately 2.75 mm shorter.

 

 

 

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:20 | 4685040 NoDecaf
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no more kung-fu fighting?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 00:10 | 4685454 Agent P
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9mm is fast as lightning!

also, an anagram of "kung fu fighting" is "fuking gun fight"

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 07:11 | 4685879 Peanut Butter E...
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The are afraid of Muslim monkeys going bersker and massacre those actual Chinese.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:22 | 4685046 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Still not enough bullets to save their asses from an angry mob of 1000+ people.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:23 | 4685051 user2011
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That will trigger more attacks.  Chinese civilians are not allowed to own guns.  To get one, attack one of the police.  And that will kill two birds in one stones.  Revenge for the police brutality and get powerful weapons..

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 03:24 | 4685677 james.connolly
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That's funny, here's the deal; NOBODY needs a fucking GUN to play the RETRIBUTION GAME.

battery acid is sold everywhere, throw  in cop's face, and he's fucked for life, happens everyday here in ASIA, ACID is so common here that its the preferrable way to end a relationship where the girl refuses to marry a boy, ... If I can't marry her, then nobody else will, ... I'll scar her for life ...

making bombs, is well its chinese, everybody knows how to make black powder at home, everytime somebody get's pissed off here he's blows up the fucking neighborhood, ...

'a gun' yeah right, ...what good would a gun be? Look recently at KUNMING it was knives, ...

It's not like the USA, where all is controlled, in ASIA you walk into any hardware or construction store and you can get pure ACID of any kind ( sulfuric, nitric, fulmeric, phosphoric, ... all the things needed to make real explosives ), walk into any drugstore and get glycerine, ... so Nitro-Glycerin is super easy to make, and so is PETN, and almost any plastic explosive, ... Mercury is easy to get, .. all fulminates and 1st stage detonation chemicals are everywhere; diesel fuel and pure ammonia fertilizer readily available to make OKC grade explosives.

In ASIA when the COP's go over the line, the entire POLICE DEPARTMENT building get's blown up, ... not even news in the West. MIght give people ideas.

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A gun is just a tool, a MARTIAL ARTIST must know about range and projection of range, to his targets and or victims, is it feet, or miles, its hand to hand, or sniper, the PISTOL has a very limited range of usefulness from 1 foot to 10 feet, that's it, a real warrior can fight any range from touching his enemy to miles away. The GUN is just a tool, leave it at that, and the GUN in the hand of a moron, is nothing to fear.

 

 

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:25 | 4685058 1stepcloser
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Great more competition for social security's ammo purchases

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:26 | 4685065 Commodore64
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Looks like its going swell on all continents....

 

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:26 | 4685067 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Off topic but speaking of cops and numbers cooking. Question is who learned it from who here. Was it Rahm emulating Obama and healthcare.gov or vice versa.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2014/Chicago-crime-rates/

The Truth About Chicago’s Crime Rates The city’s drop in crime has been nothing short of miraculous. Here’s what’s behind the unbelievable numbers.

...

Chicago conducted a 12-month examination of the Chicago Police Department’s crime statistics going back several years, poring through public and internal police records and interviewing crime victims, criminologists, and police sources of various ranks. We identified 10 people, including Groves, who were beaten, burned, suffocated, or shot to death in 2013 and whose cases were reclassified as death investigations, downgraded to more minor crimes, or even closed as noncriminal incidents—all for illogical or, at best, unclear reasons.

This troubling practice goes far beyond murders, documents and interviews reveal. Chicago found dozens of other crimes, including serious felonies such as robberies, burglaries, and assaults, that were misclassified, downgraded to wrist-slap offenses, or made to vanish altogether. (We’ll examine those next month in part 2 of this special report.)

Many officers of different ranks and from different parts of the city recounted instances in which they were asked or pressured by their superiors to reclassify their incident reports or in which their reports were changed by some invisible hand. One detective refers to the “magic ink”: the power to make a case disappear. Says another: “The rank and file don’t agree with what’s going on. The powers that be are making the changes.”

Granted, a few dozen crimes constitute a tiny percentage of the more than 300,000 reported in Chicago last year. But sources describe a practice that has become widespread at the same time that top police brass have become fixated on demonstrating improvement in Chicago’s woeful crime statistics.

And has there ever been improvement. Aside from homicides, which soared in 2012, the drop in crime since Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy arrived in May 2011 is unprecedented—and, some of his detractors say, unbelievable. Crime hasn’t just fallen, it has freefallen: across the city and across all major categories.

Take “index crimes”: the eight violent and property crimes that virtually all U.S. cities supply to the Federal Bureau of Investigation for its Uniform Crime Report. According to police figures, the number of these crimes plunged by 56 percent citywide from 2010 to 2013—an average of nearly 19 percent per year—a reduction that borders on the miraculous. To put these numbers in perspective: From 1993, when index crimes peaked, to 2010, the last full year under McCarthy’s predecessor, Jody Weis, the average annual decline was less than 4 percent.

This dramatic crime reduction has been happening even as the department has been bleeding officers. (A recent Tribune analysis listed 7,078 beat cops on the streets, 10 percent fewer than in 2011.) Given these facts, the crime reduction “makes no sense,” says one veteran sergeant. “And it makes absolutely no sense that people believe it. Yet people believe it.”

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Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:32 | 4685085 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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As far as the question of who is emulating who in cooking numbers. Some lesser reported instances here.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/24/va-employees-destroyed-veterans-medica...

 

Employees of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) destroyed veterans’ medical files in a systematic attempt to eliminate backlogged veteran medical exam requests, a former VA employee told The Daily Caller.

Audio of an internal VA meeting obtained by TheDC confirms that VA officials in Los Angeles intentionally canceled backlogged patient exam requests.

...

“We just didn’t have the resources to conduct all of those exams. Basically we would get about 3,000 requests a month for [medical] exams, but in a 30-day period we only had the resources to do about 800. That rolls over to the next month and creates a backlog,” Mitchell said. ”It’s a numbers thing. The waiting list counts against the hospitals efficiency. The longer the veteran waits for an exam that counts against the hospital as far as productivity is concerned.”

...

Then you got this one.

http://blog.heritage.org/2014/03/14/dhs-chief-confirms-inflation-deporta...

Jeh Johnson, President Obama’s new secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, this week admitted that “a very large fraction” of deportations aren’t really that but instead “turn-backs” at the border. 

During questioning on Capitol Hill, Johnson confirmed that his agency’s use of border security metrics inflate the reported number of deportations of illegal immigrants – statistics for which Obama takes heat from the left  even though true deportations actually are down sharply.

“We managed to remove 368,000 people last year and my understanding is that 98 percent of those fit within our removal priorities,” Johnson noted Tuesday at a DHS budget hearing before the House Appropriations Committee (beginning at 1:50 in this video).

Seconds earlier, however, Johnson had conceded that “a very large fraction of that 368,000, and I don’t know the number offhand … are basically border removals, where they’re apprehended in or around the border” and are “in the country for a very short period of time.”

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Wed, 04/23/2014 - 05:55 | 4685759 MeelionDollerBogus
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I've long suspected this, seeing violence & theft rise while reporting & action goes down. It takes only a good eraser to make crime rates drop on paper.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:28 | 4685074 Relentless101
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Just like a nuclear deterrent always calms everything right down...

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:32 | 4685084 Long-John-Silver
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A better weapon would be 1 oz Silver coins. Just throw one and watch the crowd tear each other apart in a scramble to retrieve it.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:36 | 4685097 logicalman
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Just make sure they never know you keep silver in your long-johns - Could end badly!

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 09:45 | 4686249 European American
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I don't think we (they) are there yet. Now Gold...

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:33 | 4685086 logicalman
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The paid goons are not scary enough!

Got to do something!

I wonder how long before Chinese military vehicles are given to the cops.

Hang onto some glass bottles.

PET sucks for Molotovs

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:37 | 4685098 ebworthen
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Odd that the Chinese police are much less militarized than the average U.S. hometown police force, eh?

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:50 | 4685135 james.connolly
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England was like this too, until most recently,
But don't kid your self, the problem here is defining cop,

Year's ago ever street corner had a soldier armed, and he was called the PLA ( peoples liberation army ), now
the army is no longer visible, and for that matter neither are the cops, most crime is controlled by the cameras in the city's and vigilantism in the country-side.

The Chinese have their OWN FBI, these guys are plain clothes and have always had their own guns, and I can remember back to the 1970's all the RICH in CHINA would hire these off duty CHINA-FBI guys to be body-guards as they were the only people who could carry guns.
Funny even 40 years ago factory owners were afraid
to visit their own factors without these armed gaurds.

I think defining 'police' in the context here means arming the traffic police,

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 03:18 | 4685675 HardAssets
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And they throw less people in prisons than the US, despite having several times the population.

American 'they hate us for our freedoms' sheeple are some of the dumbest, and most lied to beings on earth.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:43 | 4685108 Hulk
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Now there's a plan, issuing essentially  six shooters to hold back the mongol hordes...

May the chinese people (and all people) continue to stomp corrupt and dangerous asses...

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:57 | 4685123 james.connolly
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Mao said "Power comes from GUN, and cop's don't get guns" MAO was about 'people power', today much of CHINA is now owned and controlled by the same people who ditched MH-370 EAST of Diego Garcia in the deepest trench in the Indian Ocean.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:49 | 4685131 rpc996
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I hope they aim better than they can drive, those videos of Chinese motor vehicle accidents at live leak induce nightmares.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:49 | 4685132 Dr. Engali
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Typical statist response. Don't address the police abusing their power. Give them more tools to brutalize society. Somehow, after seeing last night's post, I feel that they are going to pay dearly.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:53 | 4685142 williambanzai7
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What could go wrong?

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:56 | 4685151 james.connolly
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Another POINT missed here is a BIG fucking difference between ARMING a man, and teaching him how to shoot.

 

Jeff Cooper used to say "Own a gun makes you a shooter, just like owning a guitar makes you a musician", most of you know it takes years of training and peristenence to play a guitar well, same with a GUN, and it takes years of professional training to become an instinctive shooter, in all conditions, with all kinds of arm's.

I can tell you all for a FACT that the chinese COPS aren't going to be TRAINED.

On the other hand, the majority of COPS recruited post Vietnam USA, are all combat hardened killers, who are trained to kill with firearms, and thus giving a US cop a gun, is like giving a man a license to kill.

But giving a chinese cooly a gun, is all for SHOW.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:04 | 4685164 FredFlintstone
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James, go over to that article on the S Korean ferry and tell us what the Asians are saying happened. Do they think it was an accident?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:02 | 4685529 james.connolly
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Fred,

Boat's are kind of funny in ASIA, wherever you go they fill them like sardines in a can, and people are never given a life-preserver, and of course a 'lifeboat', what a fucking joke, somebody would steal that bitch.

The only thing telling in this incident was 'remain on board', typical Korean control freak attitude, keep everybody under control.

To answer your question, this shit happens every fucking day, hell just a few months ago a couple of HUGE ships in Hong-Kong collided, the attitude here is that "BOATS KILL", its an excepted fact, no doubt that the captain and crew will be murdered,...

As an old life time skipper myself, the first rule of boat-ism is 'stay with the boat', ... so I can't call the captains call, the water was hypo-thermic so dumping a lot of civilians without exposure suits into cold water is dumb, as you might know below say 42F you go into hyperventilation immediately most would drown just by default.

Like the TITANIC everyone involved ASSUMED the boat could not and would not go down so quick.

>>>

This incident is not like MH-370, this is just a typical deal with shifting loads, ...

Oh and to answer your question the captain had one of his gal's steering the ship at the time, and her girlfriend was giving him a blowjob, no one may know exactly what the "HO AT THE HELM" may have been doing, but its fairly clear over here that some wild sex gig was going on in the wheelhouse, well that's what I'm hearing, p.s. I haven't got a fucking clue what your hearing I never watch or read the western media.

Over hear they're saying some kind of orgy was going down in the wheelhouse, not unlike the boat that sank a few years ago in ITALY, where the CAPTAIN was fucking around when the BOAT hit the rocks.

In this case however the CAPTAIN had a "HO AT THE HELM', and he was off with another HO incapacitated. But if you remember the EXXON VALDEZ, it was the same deal the captain was drunk and not in control.

>>>

Last word if traveling in ASIA by boat, always carry your own life-preserver and if you have children, bring them over from the WEST, as 'childs life preserver' simply don't fucking exist. If it don't fit, it don't work. Of course I would prefer to travel with a MUSTANG exposure suit myself when in cold waters,... as really nothing else would work, within minutes you lose all strength, the hyperventilation prevents rational thinking. Cold Water is a killer, pure and simple.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 01:39 | 4689392 Leraconteur
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Asians in Asia, just about 100% cannot swim at all.

This includes those who live on islands such as Hong Kong and The Philippines.

A buddy and I were taking a wooden skiff to one of the RP locations, clear day, but the wind kicks up and the surf begins to go into the boat, wood but overloaded and easy to swamp. He is Tier 2 and I am no slouch.

First mate sitting at the wheel gets told to take a hike, old gruff Filippino owner/captain pushes the plastic chair away and takes the helm as the foreign tourists begin to look nervous and my buddy and I map out an escape route. The tourists then kept an eagle eye on us and were going to follow our lead.

I told him I am swimming away from the boat until all the locals drown, which is what will happen. Shoes go off, wallet and passport stay.

Yes, surrounded by water, 7500 islands, and almost every Filipino cannot swim. Chinese think swimming is some magical thing, none of them can do it. It's why you see photos of 10,000 smashed together in 3 foot deep wading pools and they are all wearing flotation devices, rings, collars and armbands.

They ask you 'can you swim?' as though it's the equivalent of attaining 3 PhD's by your 20th birthday.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 03:00 | 4685663 Lin S
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Horseshit about "professional training." 

Most of the stupid fucks in (name-the-trainer) "tactical rifle" classes are overweight, out-of-shape, dimwitted J.W. Rawles disciples with a Blackhawk vest and goatee who get a hard-on whenever they daydream about "the coming collapse."

If/when their End Times fantasies ever come true they'll be the first ones dead.

I'll put my money on a midwestern farm boy who knows how to hunt, fish, and make good use of the land over a "tactically-trained shooter" asshat ANYDAY.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 21:57 | 4685154 Commodore64
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I carry a gun to protect you from people with guns... that sort of idea?

 

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:00 | 4685157 A Lunatic
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Hammers seem to work pretty good, why did they not arm them with those? Too bloody perhaps, or maybe not anonymous enough.......

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:03 | 4685163 Backtable
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You can always out-numbered, but never be out-gunned.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:18 | 4685198 Offthebeach
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What, are there hordes of labradoodles to be shot in China?

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:31 | 4685225 laomei
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As "eye-catching" as you would like this "news" to be, it's not entirely accurate.  There are multiple classifications of police in China.

Lowest of the low, there are the new recruits, they are basically ride-alongs with zero ability to do anything other than defer to superiors.  After a few years of good conduct, no poor records, and lots of training, they can apply to have a gun.  Ok, now they have a gun, but they generally do not carry it, it's typically left in the vehicle.  Because losing that gun, or getting a complaint involving that gun will result in permanent loss of the right to have a gun, and probably end their career as well.  After many years of being a gun-carrying cop, there is the option to now swap over to the paramilitary police, or "armed police" division which is tasked with official protection.  Around the same point is the option to join the SWAT force.  Armed police are essentially the elites.  Their bitchwork guard duties still have them carrying guns.  The shortcut to this is having served in the military, but they are low man on the totem pole and get bitchwork until they have proven not to be problematic.  SWAT, you can skip out on some of the experience having served in the military, but you still have to have been a cop to get there.

Armed police and SWAT, yes when deployed, they ALWAYS have their sidepieces on them.  For regular cops, it depends on their department and what they are responding to.. generally speaking, they are unarmed and as such, have to deal with the public in civilized ways, rather than "shoot/taze first, ask questions later".  Getting into an argument with a cop and having a fist fight also doesn't result in trumped up charges of assault on a cop.  Worst case, you pay the medical bills and are liable for income if days off are required... maybe some personal compensation as well.  But you won't be seeing an extra 10 years in jail because you beat up a cop who stopped you for a DUI.

 

All this "news" is saying is, rather than increasing SWAT teams and militarizing the police, regular beat cops who have the right to carry weapons, will be doing it more often from now on, rather than leaving their sidearms locked up in the guncase in the squad car, albeit not always with real bullets.

Please note, how they have not just decided to arm everyone with tazers.  Because doing so makes a police force trigger happy, lazy and corrupt.  

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 22:34 | 4685230 Bazza McKenzie
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Thanks for this info.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 23:04 | 4685315 Leraconteur
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 100 practice shots to start, and played down risks that a weapon could go off accidentally or get stolen.

 

Those of you who mock Americans, take note that almost all USA citizens who have fired a gun (over half of all residents), fired more than 100 rounds the first 2 minutes of their first hour of their first day at the range. They have far more experience with guns than these Chinese policemen, and are better shots than USA policemen.

Why do you trust your military and police with guns, but they don't trust you with your own?

Why do you trust your government with guns, but your government doesn't trust you with guns?

Exactly - so they can shoot you with impunity knowing that no one can return fire.

Tue, 04/22/2014 - 23:17 | 4685349 seek
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You know what's really fucking scary? That 100 rounds is double what a NYPD officer needs to shoot to qualify annually.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:07 | 4685533 james.connolly
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Let's play this to its logical conclusion,

Owning a gun don't make you a shooter.
Owning a guitar don't make you a musician.

>>

Hey, my friend 'jimmy', he plucked a guitar string a 100 times, and now he's a rock&roll millionaire, and play's like HENDRIX, ... not

A good shooter might "DRY FIRE", 10,000 times before; for every live round he shoots, ... pulling a trigger don't make a gun fighter, just like plucking a string, don't make a musician.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:08 | 4686310 FLHRS
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That's because the Feds have bought all the ammo.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 02:10 | 4685615 Tulpa
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"fired more than 100 rounds the first 2 minutes of their first hour of their first day at the range."

 

that's almost a round a second, wow.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 01:27 | 4689377 Leraconteur
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It's about right.

pop pop pop sight the target pop pop resight run through your magazine, reload, repeat until you hit your budget on ammo for the day.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 00:43 | 4685501 palmereldritch
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Anyone out there with mad Mandarin skills to translate the following:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson

It would be nice to export something to China for a change...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:25 | 4685557 Spungo
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Dictatorship without guns? The Chinese certainly know how to shut the fuck up and stand in line. Back in 'Merica, fuckers would probably try to stab the cops if they didn't carry guns

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:33 | 4685569 idontcare
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Actually, on the streets of China the cops didn't need to have guns because there are always as many military members shouldering rifles as there are cops walking about.   I am not joiking about this.  If you go to Beijing or Shanghai, look around.  The military guy is the guy in uniform with a gun, the cop is the guy in the uniform with a club.  The cops will talk to you if asked a question, the military guys ignore you.  It's really too bad that the cops feel that they need to holster 9mm now.  It indicates a change for the negative in what is usually a very peaceful culture (and please don't flame if you haven't been there because I've been back and forth in HK and the mainland for 20 years and I must say that our Western media LIES about almost everything in the region).

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 01:32 | 4685566 brennanblue
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now they can do an on the spot confession extraction for the brisk organ transplant business. 

youtube.com/watch?v=L3kkAloo7ng

@3:45 "... Amnesty International says the demand for transplant organs may be driving the high level of exceutions in China". Go figure!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 05:06 | 4685720 Rising Sun
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Arm the goobermint.  Disarm the people.

 

Masacres not far off.  China knows how this goes - they've done it a few times in the past.

 

Fucker Mao would be one example.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 05:13 | 4685726 MeelionDollerBogus
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In this last incident if the police opened fire they'd run out of bullets before the crowd beat them to death then they'd beat more cops to death. There were just too many. By the photos it looks far more than 1,000 quoted. I'd say 5000.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 05:21 | 4685733 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Welcome to America, boys.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 07:43 | 4685952 22winmag
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I read a report that stated in one recent year the NYPD "missed" over 600 shots.

 

I wonder people you could blindfold with dental floss can do any better.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 08:31 | 4686057 ltsgt1
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Ordinary trigger pull on a pistol is around 4 to 7 lbs. Some smart out of touch elitists in the NYPD decided to increase it to 12 lbs to prevent accidental shooting.

Try to shoot a pistol efficiently with 12 lbs trigger pull after a foot pursuit or any distance beyond 20 feet is almost impossible. So, what is happening is that we have less accidental shooting but we also have a police force that cannot shoot straight.

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