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Russia Warns West "Remove Forces"; Begins Military Exercise On Ukraine Border

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UPDATE: Dutch fighter jets were scrambled after Russian bombers approached Dutch airspace; the Russian planes turned away

With both sides appearing to have entirely un-de-escalated and the truce deal now a thing of the past (besides a few hundred Dow points), the Russians are speaking up today - and are not happy:

  • RUSSIA IS EXTREMELY SURPRISED BY KIEV AND WASHINGTON'S "DISTORTED" INTERPRETATION OF AGREEMENT REACHED IN GENEVA LAST WEEK ON DE-ESCALATION OF UKRAINE CRISIS - FOREIGN MINISTRY
  • RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY SAYS KIEV AND WASHINGTON "CLOSING THEIR EYES" TO PROVOCATIVE ACTIONS BY NATIONALIST FORCES IN UKRAINE

And, on the heels of Turchynov's official restart of the so-called anti-terrorist operation, Russia is calling on Ukraine to pull back military from Ukraine's southeast... and rattles its sabre by undertaking a military exercise on the border.

 

Bloomberg reports,

Russia is surprised by distorted interpretation of Geneva accord from govts of Ukraine, U.S., RIA Novosti reports, citing Russia’s Foreign Ministry.

 

*RUSSIA CALLS ON UKRAINE TO REMOVE MILITARY FROM SOUTHEAST: RIA

 

Russia says Ukraine, U.S. closing eyes to provocations by right-wing extremists: RIA

 

Russia still believes partners are serious about resolving crisis in Ukraine: RIA

and in addition

  • RUSSIAN MILITARY CONDUCTS MILITARY EXERCISE IN ROSTOV REGION, BORDERING UKRAINE - DEFENCE MINISTRY OFFICIAL

All of this sets the scene for an important set of meetings next week...

Russia ready to host EU, Ukraine energy officials in Moscow or consider other cities for talks, Russian Energy Ministry spokeswoman Olga Golant says by phone.

 

Golant confirms EU Energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger invited Russia to gas talks

 

Slovakia planning talks on use of gas pipeline in reverse to supply Ukraine on Apr. 28 in Bratislava, Eustream pipeline operator spokesman Vahram Chuguryan says by phone

So to sum it all up:

  1. The truce deal is dead
  2. Russia blames Ukraine/West for breaking deal and misunderstanding it
  3. Ukraine/West blame Russia for not unilaterally pulling back its forces
  4. Russia is warning Ukraine to pullback military from Russia-held southeast Ukraine ("or there will be retaliation")
  5. Russia is rattling its sabre by military exercises on the Ukraine border (after US sends another warship into the Black Sea)
  6. Against all this tension, gas pipeline talks are set to begin shortly.

Still buying the fucking dip on the back of Ukraine 'calming down'?

 

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Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:51 | 4686472 VD
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Putin's RED LINE > Barry's RED LINE

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:53 | 4686483 superflex
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Bacon > Tofu

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:56 | 4686486 Looney
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We all heard about the Russian plane “buzzing” our Donald Cook in the Black sea, but we were never told that after the incident the Cook was rushed into a Romanian port where 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.

Here’s what actually happened during the “buzzing” incident…

 

US destroyer "Donald Cook" with cruise missiles "Tomahawk" entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea.

 

In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, "Aegis" spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. And suddenly all the screens went blank. "Aegis" was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.

Read more: http://indian.ruvr.ru/2014_04_21/Russian-Su-24-scores-off-against-the-Am...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:59 | 4686513 john39
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meanwhile, back in Syria...:

"Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has confirmed reports that Turkey has sent 300 troops into neighboring Syria to guard the tomb of a leading Turkish figure believed to be under threat from radical Islamist rebels, according to Today's Zaman."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/179846

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:03 | 4686536 Wolferl
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I always wondered. How do you rattle a sabre?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:04 | 4686542 Winston Churchill
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Inside the scabard.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:07 | 4686558 Haus-Targaryen
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<--- LOOOOOL

<--- Will someone, somewhere start shooting already!?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:14 | 4686575 MarsInScorpio
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Emailed just now to Matt Drudge:

 

Dear Mr. Matt Drudge:

 

 

I don’t know if you actually read these since you’ve hit the Big Time, and are part of the MSM, but I’m going to write believing that you do.

 

I remember when you started to make it with your expose on Clinton. I wrote you then predicting you’d change journalism and the news business forever. I was right – you have.

 

What I admired was your decision to not follow the MSM – which laughed at you and despised you; they weren’t then and never will be your friends or consider you their peer – and set a path that was honest about the world.

 

But in your coverage of the Ukraine, you’ve become just another CIA propaganda outlet.

 

Today’s use of the Marines raising the flag, prompted me to write. I’ve watched you publish one link after another in-line with the war cries that the western media have adopted towards the Ukraine. I wonder what happened to you.

 

I know that you know that the CIA started this entire affair with its $5-billion pump into the neo-Nazi junta that now controls the western Ukraine. That was criminal – literally – and yet you’ve not made your readers aware of it so they know how this started. Instead, you’ve allowed Russia-bashing to rule.

 

I know that you know that the foreign minister of Estonia was recorded in a phone call with an American attaché working for the EU Human Rights Commission discussing the fact that it was Maidan snipers that created the murderous incident that gave the neo-Nazis an excuse to break the agreement they signed just two days earlier to hold elections. I never saw you link to that recording.

 

I know that you know the former government was elected in an internationally monitored election overseen by 43 countries – including the US. And I know that you know the US State Department signed off on it as a legitimate election.

 

I know that you know – from your coverage of this in Egypt – that the money the CIA gave to the Maidan group was criminal – and that because the present Ukrainian government is composed of the coup group, further US aid to them is illegal.  Yet no “Flashbacks” – nothing to tell the world the truth. Just sweep those criminal actions under the rug, and let the CIA propaganda machine roar.

 

And I know that you know this is all pushing towards a war with Russia – and given the wholesale incompetence of the American administration – I know that you know we are talking about a very real opportunity for a miscalculation that will start a shooting war with Russia, and the result will be MAD.

 

I know that you know all these things – and so I know that you know your presentation of the Ukraine situation is dishonest – it is a propaganda blitz brought to you by the CIA, and the EU.

 

What I don’t know is why you sold out. Have they gotten to your ego and made you feel like you are one of them? Do they have dirt on you and are letting you know they will destroy you if you don’t play along? Do you wake up at night worried you’ll be Breitbart, Version 2.0, and suffer a sudden death?

 

Why did you change?

 

Maybe you are so sunk into the MSM quicksand you can’t get out. Maybe they have a gun to your head. I don’t know the answer on that.

 

But I do know you know you aren’t being honest about Ukraine.

 

The next time you decide to assault someone over their honesty, go look in the mirror first. The person you see – once a shining beacon of integrity in a world of dark lies – isn’t honest anymore; why should you expect anyone else to be honest either?

-30-

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:22 | 4686622 Tengri Temujin
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Who is Matt Drudge?  I know the Captain, the Seer, Knuckles, Pods, DoChen...but who is Drudge <sarc>

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:34 | 4686682 Oh regional Indian
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Any keyboard warrior spoiling for a fight, for blood and gore, read/watch here:

The battle for Fallujah and the CIA/LSD and a wee french village that went mad...

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/un-holy-smoke-and-biblical-fi...

ori

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:36 | 4686692 john39
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Good discussion of extreme western hypocrisy:

"Neil Clark reflects on the mindboggling hypocrisy and double standards of the US and its NATO puppet states. Why are these superbullies so intent on nation wrecking and chaos creation all over the world? Can it be because they seek world domination under a small, secretive elite of Puppet Masters?  (LD)"

the rest:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=95490

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:38 | 4686697 New England Patriot
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In fairness to Drudge, I thought the Iwo Jima pic was sarcasm. 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:09 | 4686809 maskone909
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it seems like the drudge report just takes thousands of articles and links them to his homepage.  i didnt realize he actually authors literature.  i much prefer zerohedge as the format is more user friendly and objective.  /2 cents

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:57 | 4686998 Anusocracy
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The US must realize that the jig is up.

It took a while, but countries are asking "Who guards the guardians?" about US hegemony.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:13 | 4687047 Bindar Dundat
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"still buying the dip?"

 

Only the dip in expensive  Miami penthouses when all the Russians lose their banks and can't pay the HOA or taxes :-)

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:43 | 4686713 Joe Tierney
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His REAL name is Pratt Fudge, but his new friends just call him Prattie F., or just Prattie for short, dba Ben Dover.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:25 | 4686636 JoeSexPack
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Weird, cuz Drudge doesn't need $$$.

 

& he still bashes Obama.

 

Maybe he'll see the light.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:29 | 4686653 john39
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or maybe his operation was set up long ago to fill a certain niche...

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

-V. Lenin

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:12 | 4686814 Oh regional Indian
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Almost as ironic as this:

Jews played a major role in the founding of the NAACP, which was founded in 1909. Jews involved in the NAACP included Joel Spingarn (the : first chairman),Arthur SpingarnHenry Moskowitz, and—more recently—Jack Greenberg.[11]

via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American%E2%80%93Jewish_relations

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:55 | 4686991 Keyser
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Old news and not just any Jews... Dig a little deeper and it will all become clear... Here's a tip, the NAACP was setup by the same folks that setup Planned Parenthood in the US... 

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:30 | 4686659 MeMongo
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Drudge = tribe member

Nuff said!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:14 | 4687049 Colonel Klink
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Ding, ding, ding, just like Alex Jones being a tribal lover too.

Controlled opposition.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:32 | 4686673 Ying-Yang
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Maybe the NSA put kiddie pictures on Drudge's computer.

The only reason to collect data and access to personal devices is control over those who don't follow commands. This fact explains future behaviors.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:19 | 4686842 Oh regional Indian
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Spot on.....

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:39 | 4686701 FightingtheFed
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Sorry Mars but it's just racial.

 

Matt will stand with his race and his race wants Putin destroyed even if it means riskins the lives of millions of Americans.

 

Otherwise well written and good questions.. I've observed the very same but I know the answer.. and I'm not surprised one bit.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:45 | 4686716 john39
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there is only one human race...  that aside, i get the point you are making, and don't really disagree with the premise....  but even there, appearances are deceiving.  there is no single Jewish ethnic group, this is a myth.  Most who identify as Jewish are not even semitic, but rather descendents of central european converts from the middle ages.  Gilad Atzmon covers this subject in great detail in his book, "The Wandering Who"....

http://www.amazon.com/The-Wandering-Who-Gilad-Atzmon/dp/1846948754/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398267877&sr=8-1&keywords=the+wandering+who

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:17 | 4687063 Totentänzerlied
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Genetic testing subsequently proved what everyone else already knew: the Khazar hypothesis is utterly absurd and everyone who believes it is in extreme denial.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:21 | 4687080 Herd Redirectio...
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How does genetic testing prove that exactly?

I mean, its not like you can compare Ashkenazi Jew DNA w/ those of people living in modern Ukraine, and then say "See, they are different".  You would have to track mass migrations going back 1000 years to 'test the plausibility'.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:35 | 4687153 Blazed
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Rethinking the Khazar Theory by Dr. David Duke

http://davidduke.com/rethinking-khazar-theory/

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:38 | 4687404 Herd Redirectio...
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I don't agree with Duke's conclusions.  I am not trying to perpetuate the idea that "Jews are not a race", which is what Duke seems intent on refuting.  Saying (some or many) Jews have non-semitic origins isn't the same as saying "Jews are not a race".

There is a lot of evidence for the Khazar hypothesis.  Mass migrations and diasporas complicate the picture, of course.  I also view the Diaspora (that occurred in the Middle Ages) as more of a business decision by a social class, than a 'exile'.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:48 | 4687443 john39
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thanks, certainly some interesting points to consider.  and he does hit on the most important aspect, there is a sort of racism going on here its just that the MSM and political correctness have transposed the victims and the perpetrators.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 21:37 | 4688884 FightingtheFed
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Excellent article by Duke and I agree.. I've always had problems with the Khazar theory and I think Duke refutes it very well.

He is such a scholar.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 21:37 | 4688885 FightingtheFed
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Excellent article by Duke and I agree.. I've always had problems with the Khazar theory and I think Duke refutes it very well.

He is such a scholar.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:55 | 4686760 TheReplacement
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Do you really think someone as busy as Drudge will read all that?  Brevity would be a good idea.  Further, referencing what a politician said he heard about something that happened in another country is not proof that it happened the way he said he heard it.  Just ask Hitler about the Polish invasion, for example.  Proof is proof and rumor mongering is not proof.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:32 | 4687131 MarsInScorpio
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TheReplacement:

 

I have corresponded with Mr. Drudge since his beginning. I was one of his earliest advocates, arguing to the management of the NYT that far from being a "flash in the pan," his revelations about Bill Clinton, using the internet to aggregate multiple sources of news content, represented the future.

 

His success is testimony to my advocacy. His site sets the news agenda for America, and much of the world. Not a day goes by that the world's top editors – as well as elected officials, operatives, lobbyists, the world’s Military / Industrial /  Orwellian / Oligarch Complex (MIO2C), among millions of other people in general - do not reference his site multiple times during the day for direction on story awareness and strength.

 

I am truly disappointed in him on this issue.

 

He'll read the email.

 

Thank you for your thoughts.

-30-

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:27 | 4686867 Shrapnel
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That could not possibly have been better written, hats off to you Sir.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:10 | 4686567 Wolferl
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You mean you move the sabre up and down in the scabard to make some noise?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:13 | 4686578 Son of Loki
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"Yankee Go Home!"

 

But what if some are Mets fans? Rangers? Astros?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:29 | 4686654 Chupacabra-322
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"When all else fails, they take you to war."
-Gerald Celente.

Expect WWIII to coincide with a much needed Criminal Global Elite economic collapse.

Remember Hedgers, at the end of the day they're "all in it." Putin as well.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:54 | 4686986 Raging Debate
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Chucacabra - I do not agree that Russia is on board. They are a cornered Bear. China's biggest trade partners are the EU and US. Sure, it is mutaually beneficial for Russia and China to trade right now, China needs the oil and gas. So its trying to walk a middle road. Fence sitting never works for long. It comes down to this: Does China want to trade with a $2 T economy or two worth $25 T? If WW3 breaks out inevitably they side with the West.

The West meddling in Ukraine is not Kubaki theatre in my eyes. I saw one troll here calling the Russians savages, barbarians. Now where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, about the American Indian that was dispossed of his land. Or how about the Jews in Germany? Always an excuse to rob someone else for land or resources.

From a neutral position and being an American I can say we loat opportunity with the Russian's. The trade of resources and knowledge is worth far more in the long run than attempted muscling them and making them scream "uncle". They won't they will nuke Brussels, London, NYC and DC first. That Putin has shown restraint is the real reason I respect him. I cannot of course be a big fan as he may be the one causing my own death down the road before it's time. If it were me analyzing all this I would have nuked already. But I suppose Russia wants more negative sentiment of pure hatred for America and the West in general before doing so since the Russians will likely lose 50% of their population in the exchange.

Sun Tzu rule one: First divide allies. Check. A shame we do mot have leaders that care about us, only doing what their told through bankers and at it's head the Rothschild family.

I am. ot picking sides. We are all one species. Shame it will likely take a toll of 2 billion dead to remember this.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:15 | 4687055 john39
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I posted another piece of evidence that Russia is opposing the NWO agenda yesterday... they refuse to allow gmo's....

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:46 | 4687206 813kml
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I agree that Russia is not on board, but I disagree about China siding with the West.  China will stay neutral as long as possible, but they are already aligned with Russia via BRICS and various other agreements.  If Russia falls, China is next on the agenda.  What good is trade when it is done in worthless Euros and Dollars?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:45 | 4687429 Rakshas
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Yes, China would have to be fools of the highest order to believe anything other than they are in the cross hairs of the NAZIONIST regime they can see it everywhere from the AFRICOM deployment to the AmeriCON build up all around them in the south pacific region.  Sorry but the DC crowd has never been able to be trusted from the earliest days of the republik.  

Going back a couple of centuries the manifest destiny theology and the genocide carried out on millions of native americans most of which were disposed of after signing a treaty with the DC crowd to the present day should be clear warning to any fool that signing a treaty with Amorika is nothing more than a suicide note; I'm sure the Chinese and Russians know this all too well. 

I am of the opinion that this has all been a very elaborate game played out to destroy the Republic and sadly that game has been played out near perfectly by the Zionist overlords; they control the game from every angle and have beutifully destroyed America from within and now for the final act..... have no doubt they will have already secured accomodation in the NAZIONIST heartland of Is rael - just a thought but if Putin was wise he would target our friendly little olive grove with a hollywood number of ......Tsar  devices.. airburst of course .. and let the bastards know that fact...... then see how long it takes for the boots come marching back home..

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:30 | 4686662 disabledvet
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Yankee Go Homer (Simpson)!!! (Doh!)

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:20 | 4686613 Tengri Temujin
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I thought you just rattled it back and forth between the ribs after you stuck it into their thorax.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:20 | 4686617 Winston Churchill
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Yes.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:36 | 4686689 Jack Sheet
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like a badly fitting condom.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:47 | 4686726 JoBob
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How do you rattle a sabre? To the rhythm of one hand clapping.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:21 | 4686852 Oh regional Indian
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Instant classic...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:59 | 4686516 CrazyCooter
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Icoming (cover for a market crash)!

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:31 | 4686669 Chupacabra-322
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Yes, Absoluetly Cooter.

See above post. Expect an emergency mandatory "Military Draft" as well.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:49 | 4686963 New England Patriot
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I think it's time to play dodgeball. 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:49 | 4686964 cougar_w
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Nix to the idea of a draft.

First of all, they don't need it. When things get bad enough the growing legions of unemployed will simply volunteer.

Second, they don't want anyone on the battlefield who doesn't want (really REALLY want) to be there. War has become business -- the business of killing, with the goal of treasure -- only those with "a head for the business" need apply.

Third, they are getting worried about having too many people in uniform. The wars we fight are creating walking wounded carrying mental scars. Nothing can be done for them. They become a liability. The plan going forward must be to only bring on career-minded mercs who maybe even like the killing, pay them to stay on (or to hook up with Academi after tour) and not have anyone near a an automatic weapon who hasn't shown a willingness to throw away all shreds of their prior humanity.

Professional army made of career killers. They are made, not recruited.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:45 | 4687431 Raging Debate
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Cougar_w - Interesting analysis. That is what happened to Rome. Hiring mercenaries. They were cheaper to maintain than regulars and would do undisciplined nasties to the population whereas the regular legions followed orders and only pillaged if the city or territory did not surrender. Not that the Romans were that civilized (near the beginning perhaps) but the mercenaries get off on tormenting the population and looting. Such create far more blowback than it's worth it seems. Blackwater, Greywater. Whatever. I will not choose sides. If you are willing to kill with the sword in these kinds of cycles be prepared to die by the sword. Discrection is the better of valor. Methinks I will get out of there way. I'll try to mitigate losses in some different manners but am prepared to do what I must if the robbers come to my home.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:48 | 4687432 Raging Debate
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dupe

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 16:10 | 4692272 mkkby
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Cougar, you left out an important reason why no draft.  People facing death say no to their masters.  Why not?  You can't take away more than life.

The last large scale protest in US was over Viet Nam draft.  Lesson was learned -- volunteer army since.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:00 | 4686521 Winston Churchill
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We need an official denial for verification of what is
still just a story.
The Aegis is the basis for all the ABM systems, so any
counter,especially short range,destroys all US war plans.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:06 | 4686549 CrazyCooter
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All Russia really needs to do is install a communist president who will fire all the military leaders who know how to win wars.

Oh, wait ...

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:36 | 4686685 Slave
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I believe what Zero is actually doing is firing all military leaders who will not fire on American civilians.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:46 | 4686724 john39
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or who might refuse to launch nukes for a bullshit war...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:59 | 4687490 Rakshas
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Freed from the shackles of DC ........... perhaps they could join the home guard militias and honor thier oath to uphold the constitution ...... A few good men and all that.....

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:31 | 4686889 rtalcott
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We have not had Military Leaders for decades...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 16:07 | 4687786 Raging Debate
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Rtalcott - There is a time and season for everything under heaven. We are all imperfect. As they say, timing is everything. In poker, one may bluff and be a skilled actor and at other times hold cards but still act.

Games within games. Look to nature to understand. It is simple, not complex. How many level can a mind go deep? Computers? A tool reflecting human evolution as all of us are, monkeys with tools. But a tiny minority have been misled as they tend to do. New tools will replace old ones.

Pissing against evolution is pissing against the wind. We as a collective species are one to two short cycles of evolving back to energy. Some attempt to obstruct such from occurring because then, in their minds they can no longer pretend to be god. Oh well, the higher the evolutionary wall to climb the harder the real global collective will exert itself to overcome.

This is not a wish list but an observation of nature. A shame we cannot unite! What does it mean if we conquer the world when we die in any event at 85?!?!? Maybe 100 if very wealthy?

I remember a quote. Alexander the Great about weeping when there was nothing left to conquer. Our competitive nature must be channeled for posterity. It is the only solution to our evolutionary paradox. That means creativity. I see nothing new under the sun with Anglo-Saxon Empire or the new Rising Sun of China empire, funded by the same-old, same old.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:28 | 4687112 lakecity55
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Hahahhaha, now everyone is catching on!

+1000

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:01 | 4686526 RockRiver
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the Cook was rushed into a Romanian port where 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation.

This sounds like it was written by The Onion... 

 

One does not "file a letter of resignation" in the military...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:07 | 4686556 Falconsixone
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The 28th ranking sailor must be a jew.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:07 | 4686557 CrazyCooter
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That "article" was hosted on a .RU domain, which means a Russian domain. I have no knowledge of what happened, but I doubt sailors these days get to file paperwork for on-shore KP duty or whatever.

I call BS.

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:59 | 4686774 mc225
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it reads like something from 'sorcha faal'. can anyone confirm that the ship hightailed it to a romanian port immediately after the encounter with the su-24?

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:07 | 4687031 Looney
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... The Naval Station Rota-based USS Donald Cook is currently making a port call in Constanta, Romania.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/apr/15/russia-jet-buzz-uss-donald-cook-provacative-video/

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:28 | 4686648 nuclearsquid
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Ha!  Wrong.  I did.

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:59 | 4686775 thatthingcanfly
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You go to boat school?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:12 | 4686821 maskone909
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i believe it is refered to as semen university

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:38 | 4687168 thatthingcanfly
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Severn River Yacht Club?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:34 | 4686681 Chupacabra-322
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Our Military / hardware is so wated & spread so thin what are they going to send? One Platoon perhaps?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:04 | 4686793 Tengri Temujin
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That is the Russian and Chinese plan, spread America as thin as possible and make them print print print, until the world is drowning in dollars and says we had enough, then all the greenbacks go to USA and hyperinflation settles the score.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:25 | 4687100 lakecity55
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I thought that was the plan the Bath House was ordered to follow.....

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:43 | 4686712 Overfed
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Commisioned officers can resign.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:57 | 4686768 thatthingcanfly
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Enslisted men may not resign. They enter into a contract, usually 4 years, wherein the government "owns" them, unless the government decides to offer them an early-out, or another special circumstance develops (medical issue, for example).

Officers serve at the pleasure of the President. An officer may tender a "Request for Unqualified Resignation" at any time. This request may or may not be granted by the Force Secretaries - but they usually are granted. In a circumstance such as this, it's unlikely that a resignation request in the middle of a (rather tense) deployment would be favorably entertained by the chain of command. It is conceivable, however, that some Ensign or LTJG attempted this upon seeing the SU-24 flying around his boat.

I am not convinced that the description of the SPY-1D Aegis system's complete failure is an accurate representation. The bit about screens going blank is absurd. It's possible the computers were affected by some jamming; but this read seems over-the-top to me.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:54 | 4686984 cougar_w
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Tom Clancy could have done a better job.

Yup. It's 100% bullshit. I thought it might have come from The Onion until I noticed the .ru top level domain.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:12 | 4686818 Leaping Lizard
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Agree that no-coms can no more file a "letter of resignation" than any other variety of slave.  They can file a request for immediate discharge however. The part about taking down the Donald Duck's offensive electronics rings true to me.  And if true, it's a very big deal.  And then we have the question why an unarmed Russian bomber would feign an attack at very close range unless it was confident that the ship could not respond effectively.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:38 | 4686917 sushi
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Agreed that if true this is a very big deal. The RF did build 10 SU-24MP ELINT versions. The A/C lacks an internal bay that might carry an APU, or other hardware, and since it was reported to be unarmed the hardpoints must have been clear.

The Fencer was built for low level ground attack and can manage mach 1.1 at sea level. Being overflown at that height will subject personnel to a massive sound wave and this is known to cause infantry to break. If the crew were demoralized I suspect it was due to being in a nice quiet citadel and then suddenly hearing something akin to a missle strike. Twelve repetitions of that would give anyone pause.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:26 | 4687102 Herd Redirectio...
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My house shakes when a helicopter flies over top...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:30 | 4687121 Overfed
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You get those too? They fly over my area so low that it just shakes everything in the house. Well within rifle range.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 15:47 | 4687700 pods
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Start getting worried when they start sending the quiet ones to hover over your house.

pods

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:05 | 4686532 y3maxx
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...Dear President Hafro... If You gonna wake up Momma Bear, don't be surprised to find Daddy Bear at Your back door.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:17 | 4686598 knukles
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He never saw Russia from his kitchen window

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 15:33 | 4687625 Ms. Erable
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He's not worried - Reggie has his back door covered.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:05 | 4686547 nevadan
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So the question is, can we believe Russian radio which is the source for this?  Interesting article but...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:06 | 4686801 intric8
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Are you KIDDING? i would take the russian update over an msnbc obozo ass-kissing update ANYDAY. Those hypocrites pushed putin too far, though that was exactly their plan all along! What do you want vegas boy, war? Its at your doorstep. You want to see your relatives kill innocent russians or die at the hand of russians who tried everything to avoid this confrontation? That 'red line' belongs to putin. Its represents the dignity of russians who tried to maintain peace, and it was encroached upon, indeed stomped on. If i were russia, i'd modify their flag and put a nice artful red line through it to represent that. Boys will die on both sides while imf and fed res officials chomp on cigars, drink cognac and scheme how they will profit from it ON BOTH SIDES

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:39 | 4686927 crazzziecanuck
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Just because you don't have faith in Western media given the constant stream of lies, which they say are "errors", doesn't automatically mean the other side is being any more truthful.

Don't trust anyone or anything you cannot personally verify yourself.  Be wary, think for yourself and constantly ask "does this actually make sense to me or am I being played?  Again."

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:36 | 4687155 The Chief
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Fucking brilliant post.

I would like to point out that Putin is likely looking at all options. You will note that Russian bombers entered Belgium airspace today and turned around. That little act probably has a few Rothchilds and a wormy, ratfink-like Von Rompuy in their bunkers.

Pray for peace. Whatever happens, let's hope that at the end of the day, something that removes these evil gargoyles from their perches above us happens. Something measurable...

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:06 | 4686551 Derezzed
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"Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:54 | 4686755 spellbound
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But...but ..but we're EXCEPTIONAL!!!!!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:01 | 4687013 ParkAveFlasher
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I love the dainty desserts set up on the table behind the "embrace"...Kubrick is a luminary, not a square inch of screen space wasted in delivering the message.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:18 | 4686600 post turtle saver
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Alright, points of order before this bullshit gets out of hand...

1) not even RT is willing to pick up this story and run with it, it's come out of a single source that's woefully misinformed if not full of shit entirely... that tells you all you need to know about its credibility

2) enlisted sailors cannot resign... seriously, look it up

3) no way you're going to have 27 officers resign their commissions over dinky bs like this, so no, that's not it either

4) "blocking radars" shit goes on all the time... that said, the Su-24 doesn't carry near the level of ECM equipment necessary to blot out an Arleigh Burke guided missile destroyer, especially not at those ranges... period, end of story... if you think that's true you know nothing about how an Aegis system works so feel free to keep preaching ignorance if you insist on being married to this fish tale

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:28 | 4686651 Four chan
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true the power alone to generate a blocking signal would never fit on a fighter jet.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:33 | 4686678 Winston Churchill
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I believe the same was said of radar at one point.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:39 | 4686698 loonyleft
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1, 2, and 3 all are good points. The last is based on conventional knowledge. Obviously if there were such a thing, then it wouldn't have to fit within conventional ideas and methods currently in use. 

I don't think it happened, but just saying that the logic on point 4 is not as solid. 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:02 | 4687018 beaglebog
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It is only assumption that places the jamming equipment aboard that aircraft.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:34 | 4687143 post turtle saver
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from the article in question... "However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex."

your point is valid, but I'm speaking to the article

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:29 | 4687116 post turtle saver
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AN/SPY-1 is a 6 MW system... 'nuff said

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:37 | 4686695 socalbeach
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I don't normally agree with your comments, but in this case I do.  The report sounds like something Sorcha Faal wrote.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:44 | 4686715 Wannabee
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+1 for post turtle handle : )

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:03 | 4687020 Jack Burton
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Ever since Aegis has gone to sea, I have heard it spoken of in the same tone as god himself. I understand that surface sailors are dependent for their very existance on the Aegis ability to defend the airspace above the surface navy. In a world of ultra modern anti shipping missles, with all their new capabilities, and submarines ability to launch such at extreme short range, giving little reaction time, the need for Aegis to work as advertized stands at the heart of the Surface navy's survivability in 21st century warfare.

I know  it works in a friendly exercise scenario. Nobody knows how it will stand up to an enemy, Because the enemy is not going to advertize it's systems for defeating Aegis. While I agree it is a world class system, the best in the world at what it does. Can it defeat modern air threats? We don't know. But we do know that an ancient old Soviet Missile and Radar systems shot down a stealth fighter over Serbia, a simple old trick was used, one that the west assumed nobody would think of.

Historically, US weapons have not lived up to corporate PR. I doubt Aegis is that good, it takes only one flaw and one missile strike to end the ships career.

Granted, though, the story linked to sounds incredible. And if Russia has jamming technology aimed at Aegis, they would never expose it in such a trick stunt as this. Those sytems are employed and only switched on in the real thing.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:24 | 4687079 post turtle saver
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Jack, you can bet that if a single Su-24 could blind an Aegis there'd be a fecal storm of epic proportions at the five-sided building... nothing is impossible but something like that happening is highly improbable...

I've not touched Aegis directly but I've had some time working on SLQ-32 and the like... saying an Arleigh Burke was blinded by an ECM suite carried on an Su-24 is obvious bullshit to anyone who's ever worked on these systems or similar...

edit: I did vote you up btw, your points are valid

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:50 | 4687225 moonstears
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Actually, during a specific presidency, whose first lady may run for president, really soon, China received much US tech help. Not limited to, but including an ICBM (read: long range nuke capable missile) fix by an american company, owned by friend of the president at the time. I cannot confirm these statements myself, but I have read this in one of several books on a very self important former first lady, former senator, former Sect of state, current Tri Lateral Comission participant. Prior to that period  the USA  stayed about 10 years ahead of the world in "war tech". Now, in 2014, I'm not so sure that advanageous tech lead remains.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 16:24 | 4692328 mkkby
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Heck, it's common knowlege that China has been able to steal military secrets, including nuke warhead designs.  Anything else is even less secure.

Aegis may be best in class, but it's been around a long time.  China and Russia have had a lot of time to observe it and learn the frequencies it uses.  They've had a decade or two to develop counter measures.  It would be crazy to think they haven't.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:23 | 4686625 Falconsixone
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Just have the IDF bring in their chosen ships. (so they can show the world how chosen they are).

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:31 | 4686658 KickIce
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The hunter becomes the prey, iow they got the shit scared out of them.  Kinda like a lot of city boy American hunters going into the woods with all the latest technology and 4WD; if they ever lose that advantage and face a real threat they stick their thumbs in their mouths and lay down in the fetal position.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:31 | 4686667 goldhedge
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Down votes from the armchair Nato Generals at MPNet.

 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:33 | 4686677 KickIce
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You can just feel the panic as they try to find the reset button on their video game.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:51 | 4686744 spellbound
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We've been sold a bill of goods!!!...And set up to fail on ALL levels!!!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:04 | 4686791 sushi
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Aegis not working??

Strange.

Worked extremely well in the case of Iran Air Flight 655,


Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:29 | 4686875 Zwelgje
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US Navy - Force for Good.

"All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died."

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:49 | 4687446 Herd Redirectio...
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Any time you have to use Force, you know what you are doing is "Good".

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:49 | 4686965 Jack Burton
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Interesting story Looney! I have heard many different versions of what really happened in this case. It is obvious that a major campaign to hide the truth and to divert the public from reality is underway. The Western media, in particular the BBC, CNN and NPR, are running the most shameless lies and provications I have ever heard. I also have read that the Public in Europe an the UK are showing signs of being fed up with the blatent and transparent lies of the corporate media.

I find your link interesting and I will file it and see what I can do to confirm the story. If true, it is a real step up in the game. The west, as near as I can tell, is intent on war, and they will not stop till they get a shooting war in Ukraine. What they plan then is beyond me, but signs are they will then arm Ukraine with modern weapons and try and bog Russia down in a US proxy war, using stupid Right Sector Ukrainians as the cannon fodde for America's Banker elites. Or as some call them, the AngloZionest power elites. Nothing happens in this world without the power of Wall-Street and the City of London, AIPAC or the international Zionist NeoConservative power structures. The same ones that destroyed Iraq, bombed Serbia and are fundign Al-Qaeda in Syria.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:07 | 4687006 moonstears
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Looney, all due repect, I assume you did not write the story, there are many many holes and unlikely/unbelievable mistruths in the story you provided. Start with: 

"27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives"

Uh... doubtful and not protocol.

prop·a·gan·da

    1.
information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person,  group, movement,institution, nation, etc. 2.
the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:25 | 4687051 Looney
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No, I didn't write the story - barely copied and pasted it.

I hope, those who doubt the story are as inquisitive to the CNN-Fox-NBC-NY Times psy-ops/propaganda.

This is not about the revolting crew of the Cook, this is about a single plane rendering billions of our tax dollars spent on the Aegis useless. ;-)

Looney

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:35 | 4687120 moonstears
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Sir, I'm not inclined to believe even that is true. Not likely Aegis failed.

;)

As a famous evil emperor once said "Young Skywalker...This space station will be fully operational, when your friends arrive"

Recalling how that went, I'd actually bet on the real USN, before the fictional "Empire". JMO ;)

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:10 | 4687040 lakecity55
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The Russkies are very good at ECM, but I would not put too much stock into this story. It must be from that phony 'sorcha fail' website.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:31 | 4687125 americanspirit
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Looney - thank you for this incredibly interesting find. So the Aegis system has been out-classed and rendered useless by the Russians who, we are told in our press, can barely get their troop trucks running to carry their demoralized conscript soldiers to the front lines. However, we aren't told of the 27 US sailors who saw what the Russians could do to the supposedly invincible Aegis system and decided they weren't willing to be sitting ducks for Victoria Nuland and her cronies. So whose technology is obsolete, and whose troops are demoralized? Inquiring minds want to know.

Oh - and if a single aircraft can jam the Aegis system, one must wonder how invulnerable our satellites are to jamming. And how about the targeting computers on our nuclear missile subs that are supposedly our ultimate deterrent? Is it possible that their computer systems could be compromised and turn a launched missile from its course towards Russia to a target - oh, I don't know - somewhere in the vicinity of the Potomac?

Even more important here, the Russians were letting the US know that we have ZERO capability to interfere with Russia's military operations anywhere in the world. Our high tech systems are nothing but expensive piles of shit. And the US is wide open to nuclear attack without an effective retalitory capability. This looks to me like game over. And there is a complete news blackout on this in the USSA.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 15:05 | 4687517 Raging Debate
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Americanspirit - I am also suspect of this story that the screens went blank. If the US if wide open to nuclear attack it would be because the President did not retaliate in kind on first launch scenerio. Back in the late 1990's anybody remember Clinton revising our nuclear response strategy to not respond? Perhaps someone more asute with detail can post this. I would say the Russian people would lose 50% in a nuclear war. America higher percentage. Not because of the blast of radiation but in how the societies are organized, preparations and general toughness of the people. The Russians ate sawdust in WW2. One could survive on bugs and leaves if one had to, but losing hope and waiting for "help" seems more the American way. Look at New Orleans. I do not want to speculate further as it seems I favor one side or the other when in reality I know when elephants dance, ants get trampled. I nor my sons will be cannon fodder for the banker-bash as they hole up in nice, small countries while the world goes up in flames. Culpability is what will be different this time. Such an event if it happens will demand answers and revenge (it will not look like court justice) no amount of propoganda can explain away.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 15:05 | 4687518 Raging Debate
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Americanspirit - I am also suspect of this story that the screens went blank. If the US if wide open to nuclear attack it would be because the President did not retaliate in kind on first launch scenerio. Back in the late 1990's anybody remember Clinton revising our nuclear response strategy to not respond? Perhaps someone more asute with detail can post this. I would say the Russian people would lose 50% in a nuclear war. America higher percentage. Not because of the blast of radiation but in how the societies are organized, preparations and general toughness of the people. The Russians ate sawdust in WW2. One could survive on bugs and leaves if one had to, but losing hope and waiting for "help" seems more the American way. Look at New Orleans. I do not want to speculate further as it seems I favor one side or the other when in reality I know when elephants dance, ants get trampled. I nor my sons will be cannon fodder for the banker-bash as they hole up in nice, small countries while the world goes up in flames. Culpability is what will be different this time. Such an event if it happens will demand answers and revenge (it will not look like court justice) no amount of propoganda can explain away.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:38 | 4687403 Invinciblehandaxe
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now where are the fucking american heros??

where are the fucking american military might??

fucking pussies bitches...now it is gonna be different

russia is no third world country with 40 yo equipment is it??

you'll be dropping like dead fucking flyes out od the sky

and come over and park the sitting ducks in the black see

they'll sink one by one like you fucking dollars

fuck you every amarican on this planet

you are like a fucking zombie plague

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:50 | 4687452 moonstears
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Invinciblehandaxe

Uh...well...go fuck yourself, that is all.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 15:58 | 4687743 dizzyfingers
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Looney

Rus to US warship: "You play, you pay..."

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:54 | 4686488 Itchy and Scratchy
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Shaved > Shaggy

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:54 | 4686490 SoilMyselfRotten
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We're all adults here, what could go wrong?

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:55 | 4686494 Bunker Boy
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This will not end well for US. Pride comes before the fall, and a haught spirit leads to destruction.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:52 | 4686477 superflex
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How did Russian bombers get close to Dutch airspace without first entering someone else's airspace?

Submarine based bombers?

Those pesky Russians!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:14 | 4686585 Tengri Temujin
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They got that Kaliningrad thingy dingy poking western europe mofos in the eye

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:19 | 4686611 knukles
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Obie says:  Raise your right leg and shake it all about.  If you don't I'll grab that thingy dingy poking out.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:09 | 4687290 Two-bits
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It seems Vlad is poking around all over Europe.  

http://news.sky.com/story/1247985/raf-jet-chases-russian-planes-away-fro...

 

Like the velociraptors checking the electric fence for weaknesses.  "They are remembering..."

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:06 | 4687029 Jack Burton
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It was clever of the Soviets to hold onto this little enclave. After all, the Red Amry paid a huge price in blood to take it from the German Army. They are probably very glad to have it as a nice little hold out to fill with Iskander miblie surface to surface missles, and throw in some S-400 and soon S-500 to put a no fly zone over Poland abnd a missile shield over Western Russia. I bet NATO will piss itself when some S-500 go in there!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:21 | 4687082 Tengri Temujin
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LOL so true Jack, it's a dagger in the heart or back of Europe, depends how you want to look at it.  Like they say in real estate, Location Location Location.

Crimea and Kaliningrad are both Great naval bases and have outstanding locations.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:30 | 4687124 Herd Redirectio...
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Konigsberg, FTW!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:33 | 4686675 25or6to4
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@super flex
Or they could just fly over Swedish air space. The Flygvapnet just doesn't respond to threats like it used to. The Swedes were privy to a Russian air show on the island of Gotland with no response from their military about a year or so ago.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:09 | 4687037 Jack Burton
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I read about the Swedish stand down of it's former powerful Air Force in the late 90's. Sadly, Sweden once had a fighter force worthy of respect. perhaps time to rebuild. I have several Swedish friends who lost their technical jobs inside the Swedish Air Force in the 90's cut backs.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:23 | 4687090 Tengri Temujin
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Cut backs because they are paying welfare for all those mofo immigrants from the middle east and africa.

They say in fifty years the Swedes will be a minority in their own country.  They will get whats coming to them.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 12:21 | 4686851 Leaping Lizard
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Kalingrad (over the Baltic Sea) to the North Sea and then approach the Dutch shoreline.  Probably a tit for tat for Holland sending some bright orange lollipops to Eastern Europe.  A suggestion that it might be wise to leave a few at home.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:12 | 4687045 25or6to4
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@leaping liz
How do you get from Baltic to N Atlantic without going into either Swedish or Danish air space? I don't think the straight of Kategat is in international waters although I could be wrong about that. Love to see a bomber fly underneath that bridge.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 13:01 | 4686994 mccvilb
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What everyone seems to have missed is the message Putin sent to the Hague. No one will be exempt from the consequences of the next war.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:54 | 4686484 Itchy and Scratchy
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Let the Pussy Riot begin!

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:55 | 4686495 john39
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they tried a color revolution in Russia already.  another Fail.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:20 | 4686618 knukles
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Blood red

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 10:54 | 4686485 exi1ed0ne
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Just fuck already.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:19 | 4686609 Quus Ant
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hey now, we're still figuring out who's going to be bottom.  Take a seat.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:35 | 4686684 exi1ed0ne
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The Ukrainians are the bottoms, and they are about to get fcked over by a big ole bear and a black guy.

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:45 | 4686721 Quus Ant
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Okay.... then we're figuring out who gets sloppy seconds. 

Wed, 04/23/2014 - 11:22 | 4686623 Kirk2NCC1701
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They plan to get a room also: The Ukraine Suite.

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