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Desperate Ukraine Pleads: "Red Line Has Already Been Crossed"

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Ukraine's Deputy Foreign Minister Danylo Lubkivsky exhorted to US State department officials, "let's not look for further time frames," demanding "all necessary pressure" be applied now. The red line has already been crossed and, as Bloomberg reports,  Lubkivsky says he hopes U.S., EU don’t prioritize political concerns over moral ones and that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance.


As Bloomberg reports,

“Let’s not look for further time frames” and instead exert “all necessary pressure,” Ukrainian deputy foreign minister Danylo Lubkivsky tells State Dept officials, journalists, researchers in Washington.


Says he hopes U.S., EU don’t prioritize political concerns over moral ones and that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance


We will defend ourselves, but we do believe that Ukraine will not be alone at this time facing such an enormous” threat, Lubkivsky says


Says Crimea will return to Ukraine; “majority of international community clearly supported Ukraine in terms of Crimea and our territorial independence”

Translation: You're all talk, US!! Please give us some real support or Russia will roll all over us...


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Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:31 | 4690498 Dr. Engali
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I'm pretty sure the red line was crossed when you overthrew the legitimate government. 

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:33 | 4690516 max2205
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Fuck the EU...unquote

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:40 | 4690557 Haus-Targaryen
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It will be interesting to watch as Russia rolls into Ukraine, and the US and EU don't do a thing. 

I can imagine there would be interesting conversations occuring in Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania later that day. 

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:47 | 4690583 Smegley Wanxalot
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How dare you say we will not do a thing! 

There are sternly worded statements that will be written ... and we will call Putin a petulent child at the back of the class!!!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:53 | 4690600 Haus-Targaryen
Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:00 | 4690648 knukles
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So the illigitimate government which did a putsch with the help of CIA and MI6 now pleads for the Nation State owners of CIA and MI6 to support them when challenged by their own citizenry as well as a foriegn power.
How many times have we heard this...
Bay of Pigs, Egypt (et al color revolutions) Vietnam, etc... The very people supported are deserted.
(Regrdless of whose side one roots for, they get installed and deserted)

Deserted takes upon a whole new meaning.
Guess there's always room for Jello 

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:08 | 4690673 Save_America1st
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obombya is too busy golfing (instead of attending his aunt's funeral) and eating radioactive sushi in Tokyo (hopefully LOTS AND FUCKING LOTS OF RADIOACTIVE SUSHI!!!), to bother with Ukraine issues.  He's already recieved his orders from the banksters, and he's already had long sweet talks with Pooty-poot on the phone about how they're going to rebuild the cold-war and split up the world and turn America and everything else over to the NWO....ooops...we weren't supposed to realize that. 

Sssssshhhh...don't say I said anything, but....well...ya's all going according to the puppet master's plans.  

You've all seen WWF/WWE wrestling before, right?  Yeah...same concept.  They're all buddies behind the curtains and the fake fighting is all by design.  

And they sure as hell don't care who they kill or who gets killed and/or maimed while fighting their pre-planned, scripted, bankster wars, either. 

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:40 | 4690815 Prideful Sinner
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The conflict in Ukraine is real, so is the conflict between Japan and China. Russia wants the USSR back and the former USSR states don't really want to be a part of the new USSR. They're looking to America to save them and I think they'll find out America has been all talk for quite a few years. The next step will be China taking the South China Sea islands while we do nothing but bluster and yell about sanctions about that too. The US does not want a war the US may lose so the US has no interest in a war with combined power of China and Russia.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:52 | 4691110 strannick
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By Ukraine's "desperate pleading", you meant Ukraine's "cynical manuevering", right?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:50 | 4690601 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Once Russia takes the more productive eastern Ukraine region, the Euromaiden gov't is going to be in deep sh*t. Western Ukraine has little to offer economically to anyone.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:12 | 4690952 Element
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Ukraine was always going to find out that when they needed NATO support that NATO would not be returning their calls, but maybe the IMF still would.

So the result will be proxy war against Russia, where front-line non-NATO states are 'given' the national opportunity to recover and secure their own territory. So this will spread.

It was also clear all along the Kiev Euromaidan were hopeless window dressing and never going to last. The country is not behind them. They're innately divisive, so the situation can never be resolved more directly, with them still claiming to be a 'govt' in Kiev.

But the Ukrainians will fall behind someone to combat the Russian separatists and that someone is most likely be a military coup in Kiev to remove that 'govt', completely, and impose a national emergency to mobilize a real effort to eliminate and expel or else wipe-out all Russian-backed separatists.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:55 | 4691138 strannick
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Seems these separtists are the majority in eastern Ukraine..

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:10 | 4691198 UselessEater
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how will Germany play this?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:36 | 4691290 Element
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Well there are a lot of Greeks in Melbourne and a lot of Pakis and Indians in Sydney, but if they ever thought of carving off a part of Australia for their former 'homeland' you could expect quite a bit of official and unofficial ethnic cleansing, if negotiations would not be forthrightly and immediately entered into, and their exact status agreed to be Australian. They would be in deep shit if they claimed to be nationals of some other country and were inciting a foreign power to attack on their behalf, and simultaneously were facetiously claiming to be 'innocent' and oppressed.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:48 | 4690589 toady
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Yeah, those Ukrainians are fucked. If they don't understand there's always another red line to cross right behind the last one by now, they never will.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:52 | 4690613 Poundsand
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They were dumb enough to actually believe the US government? 


Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:58 | 4690637 toady
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I personally believe the gunmen in Kiev are simply looting as much as they can while their G5's are on standby. They better time that run to the airport just right!

It's the rest of the Ukrainians that will be caught on the ground that'll be fucked.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:00 | 4690647 astoriajoe
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so really its more like a really wide red carpet.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:51 | 4690602 mtndds
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Nothing will happen until the weekend.  It seems everything happens on the weekend while the fucking markets are closed!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:04 | 4691181 ASACJon
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But that's just it, Haus: the NWO has cornered itself.

This malevolent creature is almost compelled to engage in hostilities, at least to the degree that the general populations of the Eastern NATO states feel confirmed in their nuzzling up to the satanic kleptocratic empire.

But the US cannot commit actual divisions to fighting Russian forces in Donetsk, Lugansk, etc.  There simply are not the functioning Army units, save for a handful of Ranges, etc.  A male-female techno garbage economic consript force is can't standup to a nation where manhood still exists and is fighting an existential threat.

Unless, the powers that be go full, balls deep, super weapon.  But that necessarily leads to WOPR style Global Thermonuclear War.

They are stuck and they know it.  It's anyone's guess what is the next move.

Putin is being restrained because he knows those in the West are so out of control evil and irrational, it's hard to know what the next move of the NWO will be.

I strongly suggest to all to store up all temporal -and spiritual- goods in each of your arks.


Thu, 04/24/2014 - 16:36 | 4692376 Monty Burns
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I can imagine there would be interesting conversations occuring in Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania later that day. 


Solution?  Keep Nuland and all other Neocons the hell out of the place.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:41 | 4690559 Arius
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here is another sanction idea: putin's son cannot apply for scolarship in the US,

and if he really pushes the buttons then the next step will be to not allow him to study in any american universtory ...

now, go ahead if you must

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:37 | 4690797 Obchelli
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Putin doesn't have a son...

So honebadger doesn't care. And his daughters already graduated...

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:33 | 4690518 sushi
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Thugs, Oligarchs and, common crooks seeking the protection of the USSA.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:18 | 4690719 Stuck on Zero
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The U.S. has become a beacon of hope and support for despots, criminals, thugs, aliens, and perverts everywhere.


Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:35 | 4690527 old naughty
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" ...that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance."

What, no financial assistance?

What's the Secretary and Under-secretary throwing them fiat over for?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:52 | 4690614 toady
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Yeah, but the Ukrainians want to keep that on the DL, so they can make it magically disappear into their offshore accounts.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:34 | 4690780 intric8
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I have almost no pride left in being american. I dont even know what it represents anymore.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:35 | 4690532 BlackChicken
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"Lubkivsky says he hopes U.S., EU don’t prioritize political concerns over moral ones and that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance."

We can't help our way out of a wet paper bag without starting a world war.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:38 | 4690545 RaceToTheBottom
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What is a legitimate government?  Is that like a Free Market?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:54 | 4690621 Bastiat
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The more local and limited, the more likely to be morally legitimate.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:16 | 4690974 NotApplicable
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Which is why I'm a firm proponent of one government per person.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:55 | 4690627 Dr. Engali
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Like it or not the majority of people are too freaking stupid to govern their own lives and they feel the need to have a government to make decisions for them. Yanukovich and his democratically elected cronies were uspurped by a CIA backed coup. Regardless of what we think of government, they are the elected "leaders".

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:58 | 4690638 fonzannoon
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I'm not sure what actual documentation there is of this, but it will quickly become the story of the day, until they drop a rumor that he likes little boys...


“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:05 | 4690664 Dr. Engali
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Now that is interesting. I'm sure we will see this crap all over CNN and FAUX news before the day is out. There is a lot about living in 1984 that sucks. 

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:26 | 4690749 CrashisOptimistic
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Oh, there's more than that.

When the DNC decided they could not counter the Obamacare accusation campaign by all the GOP Senate candidates about to take the Senate, the choice was made to declare Obamacare a rousing success -- because there was no other possible strategy.

There will now be an avalanche of articles praising it and pointing out how anyone supporting it was a genius.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:00 | 4690902 slightlyskeptical
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You are so correct I need to get up and go puke.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:21 | 4691007 MrPalladium
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Try as I might, i fail to see the racism in Bundy's comment.

Is it now racism to comment truthfully about the condition of Blacks on welfare and the degredation that has been imposed upon them by the welfare state?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:39 | 4691071 pods
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Well, for one thing he probably could have used a better example than cotton picking.  Doctors?  Lawyers?

That shows an inherent belief that some people are only good enough to do some things. Which IS racist when you are speaking about a particular race.

Some people are not eloquent, and that is fine. It takes all kinds of people doing all kinds of things to make the world go round.  Maybe he misspoke?

But come on, if you are in the middle of a fight that ostensibly is about freedom you sure as shit cannot start debating whether or not someone was better off being the property of another against their will.

Jesus Harold Christ.


Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:49 | 4691470 fockewulf190
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I´m sure Al Sharpton read that article, and is now standing in line waiting to get his balls scanned at JFK, destination Las Vegas.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 16:07 | 4692265 sushi
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Well at least he didn't spout off about read lines or some such. Nor did he suggest nuking everyone of a certain race in Eastern Ukraine, or threaten to prevent a distinct social group from using their customary language. And when he didn't do these things he didn't have the USSA Secretary of State backing him up on these pronouncements either.

Stones. Meet glass house. 

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 16:47 | 4692430 Monty Burns
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Can something be racist if it's true?  Just asking.  If you answer in the affirmative then you logically favor suppressing the truth. If it's negative then you need to start doing a lot of fact checking. (PS I'm not suggesting that what Bundy said was true, by the way)

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:19 | 4690991 NotApplicable
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They are too stupid to govern their own lives only because they've never had the opportunity.

Stupid should hurt.

Get hurt enough and one either starts to wise up, or suffer the consequences.

Thing is, thanks to Uncle Sugar, consequences are far far removed from daily activities, like say, trying to feed yourself.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:47 | 4690586 LawsofPhysics
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Yes Doc, you are correct, moreover, highly indebted nations/corporation/people should really be concerned with other potential problems in their own backyard...

Tick tock motherfuckers...

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:09 | 4690680 813kml
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Don't despair, Ukraine.  Barry will ride in on his white horse (Kerry) to save the day.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:19 | 4690997 NotApplicable
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Ride the white pony.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:19 | 4691241 Bay Area Guy
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I was thinking that when you draw a red line, it's easy to cross it when you, yourself are the one that crosses it.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:31 | 4690499 Tracerfan
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Ukraine will be alone if it tries to wipe out its non-Nazi citizens.

Russia will take on and destroy whoever fights for the Nazi regime.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:19 | 4690722 Kirk2NCC1701
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If the violent elements of the Maidan protesters had been branded as "Domestic Terrorists" in the first place, we never would have had the Coup/Putsch, nor the mess we have now.

Unfortunately, "being kind" has its mortal consequences also.  The old President was "legitimate", yes.  Being corrupt was bad enough, but his real problem was that he lacked clarity, a plan and the will to act.  IOW, he was a puppet, just like the current guys.

And, as a populace, the Ukes are too damn passive and subservient to authority figures (clerical and secular), to really force constructive change.  In the moment where they tried (or a small part of the Kiev population tried), it was the worst and the most active elements that took over.  With outside helps, admittedly, but the rest did not do enough. 

Remember the old proberb:  "A people (always!) deserve its leaders".

And "Freedom/democracy is not for the uninformed, lazy, scared or disorganized".  All these attributes are associated with sheep (sheeple), not people.  But that should not surprise us, given that clerics have been brainwashing its "flock" (for 2000 yrs) to be timid, passive and accepting of whatever comes their way.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:31 | 4690502 Itchy and Scratchy
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S.O.S. to M.I.A. Asst Sec of State Victoria (FU) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan! Where is 'ya when we need 'ya?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 16:52 | 4692457 Monty Burns
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That's one hell of a mess she left behind in Ukraine, isn't it?  Par for the course for those Neocon bastards wherever they go.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:32 | 4690503 Sudden Debt
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Don't worry! Obama's word to help you guys out is as good as gold!!...

... dang...


Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:34 | 4690517 Winston Churchill
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As good as all the Gold in Ft. Knox.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:34 | 4690525 Super Broccoli
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yeah BEWARE russia coz he's got a pen !

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:43 | 4690569 camaro68ss
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I fear the Phone above all

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:45 | 4690573 Meat Hammer
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Wait until Obama hears about THIS on the news.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:32 | 4690505 franzpick
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Rumor is that Barry is good at doing lines.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:33 | 4690512 Global Hunter
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The fascist coup leaders of Ukraine must clearly see that if Russia moves in all the way too Kiev they'll be lynched and hanging from the rafters of gas stations upside down before the Russian tanks even make in to the city centre.  Mess with the bull you get the horns bitchez!!!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:40 | 4690556 BurningFuld
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My best guess is the USA is going to leave these out to hang. Other than the Mercs that's as far as it goes. I'm sure these guys made the same promises as Bagdad Bob. "They will all love us" Heh.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:01 | 4690654 icanhasbailout
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that would be "mess with the bear you get the claws bitchez"

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:33 | 4690514 Itchy and Scratchy
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Suggestion: Ya' better load up on gaz for the BBQ for the weekend b4 it's too late!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:33 | 4690515 Oh regional Indian
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Warrior up my friends, the bigger battle with-in.

Oldest gnostic, hermetic maxim, as without, so within.

From peace to pieces other-wise...


Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:35 | 4690528 alien-IQ
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War, what is it good for?..roughly 600 points on the DOW.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:40 | 4690555 CrashisOptimistic
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Why do people on ZH think like this?

You know perfectly well HFT is over 60% of volume and you know HFT can rig the market in any direction it wants. 

War is not relevant to the computers' arena fighting with each other.

Why even care?  Why be involved in that?  Buy farmland and sell food to people.  Do you really think you'd regret that in 10 years?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:57 | 4690635 Flux
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Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:01 | 4690651 813kml
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The DOW is completely manipulated nowadays, it's a weather station to assure the sheep that all is sunny.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:21 | 4691003 NotApplicable
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Farmland is rapidly becoming an insane bubble on its own.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:35 | 4690529 MFL8240
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We have no vital interest in the Ukraine and loss of liberty is perfect for this group in DC!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:57 | 4690634 machineh
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Next time you need help ... CALL A NEOCON!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:36 | 4690530 Rainman
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Send em a couple dozen used drones. That'll shut em up.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:59 | 4690642 machineh
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That is not a nice way to refer to Hillary, Pelosi and Feinstein.

OH ... I thought you said 'used crones.'

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:36 | 4690533 MsCreant
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I had a male friend a long time back who got into a lot of fights. He had a girlfriend who ran her mouth, got in trouble, and then he would have to bail her out.

He broke up with her and made it a rule that his next girlfriend was going to have to be able to fend for herself, he was tired of being in fights. He married a friend of mine who can handle her self, and would never dream of making a situation happen just so she could take pleasure in watching my friend fight for her.

We don't need this girlfriend. I know we told her we would have her back. I know we even told her to stir up some shit with that guy at the bar. But we need to grow up and stop playing games.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:43 | 4690568 Winston Churchill
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Wish it was that simple, Ms.
Now its a existential fight for the petro-dollar.
If that takes hundreds of millions of lives,
Uncle Scam will willingly take them.
No change of GRC has ever happenend without a (known) world war. The last one being no exception, because that war was already ongoing makes no difference.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:20 | 4690724 MsCreant
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I agree regarding the petrodollar.

I still think my point about the "games" stands. I had a fantasy when I read your post. We should just come out and say it, we are strategizing for the energy reserves and so is everyone else. Just say it is running out. Get the world, collectively, focused about how to go for as soft a landing as possible. No head games, get real. Let an open, free market work on the problem. Yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds. They are incapable of doing something like that. Like I said, it was a fantasy. But what a rush, to be working from an open and honest dialogue. 

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:02 | 4690659 813kml
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Unfortunately, only a good bitch slap will make that happen for the US.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:29 | 4691038 thethirdcoast
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Did it look something like this?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:36 | 4690535 JustObserving
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Did you not train your troops in Poland as you did the putchists?

Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance by Thierry Meyssan
Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:33 | 4690777 Ghordius
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interesting article, thanks. while I do have some suspicions about the role of Poland in all this mess - at least until lately - there is one passage in the article which I find highly suspicious:

"The Polish weekly refers to photographs attesting to the training, which show the Ukrainians in Nazi uniforms alongside their Polish instructors in civilian clothing."

Polish fascists giving private help to Ukrainian fascists? Very likely, imho

some good-humoured Polish official "I'll look the other way"? possible

Polish fascists which are in fact infiltrators of the Polish gov giving training to Ukrainian fascists? possible


Polish official training of Ukrainians in Nazi uniforms? you gotta be kidding me. Even Polish fascists hate Nazi uniforms

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:36 | 4690536 Itchy and Scratchy
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Pant Suit Hillary has joined the Pussy Riot just in time! U go girl!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:36 | 4690537 buzzsaw99
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Ukraine's (usa-puppet) Deputy Foreign Minister Danylo Lubkivsky today read a statement prepared by the usa cia exhorting the us state department to urge the military industrial complex to get moar money from the usa treasury who said the usa-puppet imf would spend however much money the usa-puppet other countries deemed necessary to ensure executive compensation would not suffer and that the usa bankers would receive their bond payments on time and the usa oil companies would keep imports at an all time high in spite of ever increasing oil prices...

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:38 | 4690543 Colonel Klink
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I'm waiting for China and Russia to cross the US bond line.  Checkmate mutherfukkers!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:43 | 4690565 CrashisOptimistic
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Why would they sell bonds and drive down the value of the rest of their bond holdings?

They might not buy more, but there is no rationale behind selling what they have.  They can just let them mature and redeem, but selling is just silly.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:47 | 4690585 Colonel Klink
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I disagree.  By driving the rate up they'll bust the US budget and the ability of the US to finance war.  What stops the US from just walking away from those bonds if the shit really does hit the fan?  It's called leverage.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:01 | 4690649 LawsofPhysics
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Correct, besides all those bonds are priced in dollars and killing the fucking dollar is exactly what China wants to do, to them, the act of buying bonds was for political leverage period, that's the real fucking value of the holdings, not the holdings themselves.

I suggest someone re-read "The Art of War".

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:38 | 4690807 Winston Churchill
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Patience guys, Rome wasn't destroyed in a day.
Alternate to SWIFT... underway.
Alternate to hand.
Full convertability of Yuan...July.
BRICS Commodities futures......July.

US bond ,and dollar dump probably this year before xmas.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:49 | 4690852 Colonel Klink
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I call it like I see it LOP.  There's more to the bond battle but it's our weak spot.  Only thing propping the US regime up is the Fed's ability to print, our reserve currency status, and our military.  Take away any 1 of those 3 things, and we're toast.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:38 | 4690546 Reaper
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Pray to McCain and Obama to save your souls and mortal bodies.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:55 | 4690884 Colonel Klink
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Fuck Obunghole and McStain.  Worthless statist POSs.  Who don't serve the interests of the general population.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:38 | 4690548 john milton
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Red line crossed, hah, there is Brown line in barry's undies

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:41 | 4690552 SpeakerFTD
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Didn't  the Day After start something like this?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:40 | 4690554 MeMongo
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I can see Otumbo and biden firing up the choom wagon as we speak, of course biden  has his self defense shotgun and Obumbler has his Reggie pipe!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:41 | 4690558 Itchy and Scratchy
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At first ... the Uke's couldn't get rid of meddling Asst Sec of State Victoria (FU) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan ... and now they can't find her with a search warrant! Yoohooo ..... Victooooria Nudlemannnnn ... we know yur out there somewhere!  Come out ...come out ...wherever you are!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:42 | 4690563 Meat Hammer
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They can send their own children to die in defense of fractional-reserve banking.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:43 | 4690567 vyeung
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The Russian bear will provide the necessary bitch slap soon enough!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:45 | 4690572 Smegley Wanxalot
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Obama's reply: "that red line that has been crossed ... will be continually redrawn until it is at the Potomac.  Once it threatens my favorite golf course, war will be declared."

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:44 | 4690574 deeply indebted
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Anybody keeping score?

My unofficial count is: Russia 15, entire "west" 0

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:51 | 4690608 Smegley Wanxalot
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Zero?  When did Obama and the EU score enough points to get us that high?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:04 | 4690663 813kml
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Barry keeps shooting free throws into Russia's basket.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:48 | 4690584 smacker
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Deputy Foreign Minister Danylo Lubkivsky is a liar and slimeball warmonger with an obvious agenda to expand the conflict - which HIS illegitimate fascist government started - to bring NATO in and confront Russia.

Somebody needs to deal with him and end Ukraine's misery.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 18:11 | 4692744 novictim
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Here we have the "fascist" claim again.  

Ironic, given that Russia under Princess Putin is now blocking websites and has taken control of independent media outlets and is sending thugs in to disrupt and intimidate opposition and dissident rallies.

Hey, but what happened to the Jewish Conspiracy stuff?  What happened to the line that Jewish Zionists were behind the Maidan revolution?  Did your focus groups find that one a bust or something?

Smack-ass, what is the Kremlin paying for your services and do they give you a bonus for new and novel lies?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 21:44 | 4693518 smacker
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I have never posted any Jewish conspiracy stuff.

I don't recognise any of your comments as possibly relating to me. Are you confused?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:50 | 4690599 mccvilb
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Who will be the first American kid to nobly sacrifice his life for Ukrainian democracy? George Robert Stephanopoulos and the mainstream media await in the wings. Come on, hurry up. The suspense is killing us.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:53 | 4690616 Spungo
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Let's give guns and explosives to the neo nazis. That way we get all of the government waste demanded by chicken hawks, but zero Americans will die.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:06 | 4690667 swmnguy
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That's exactly what we're doing.  The neo nazis wiill never negotiate and they will never surrender.  There's no point; nothing in it for them other than death.  So they'll do a fine job in the role we want them to play.  They're the local cultural equivalent of "Al Quaeda."

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:23 | 4691014 NotApplicable
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Hey, somebody's gotta fill the billet for the "Let's you and him fight!" protocol.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:54 | 4690620 tuttisaluti
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If only one nuclear warhead makes it to new york, you will be sorry to start this shit olama

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:05 | 4690666 813kml
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I will be disappointed if it's only one.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:55 | 4690623 williambanzai7
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The Deputiy Foreign Minister? We are not good enough to have the Foreign Minister beg and plead in futility?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:09 | 4690679 swmnguy
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No doubt the full Foreign Minister is too busy conducting policy by updating his FaceBook status, or adding a bunch of skills on his LinkedIn profile.  No doubt he's getting endorsements for his skill in "Foreign Policy" by all his LinkedIn buddies; Karzai, Morsi, Baghdad Bob, and the rest.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:55 | 4690626 Rising Sun
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Get the drones Barry you fucking pussy.


Let's crank this up a notch or two!!!!!!!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:56 | 4690629 Calculus99
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So many 'lines' so little time...

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:57 | 4690631 Falconsixone
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Sorry, No diplomats available on planet.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:34 | 4690779 Volkodav
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Disagree...Russia has...especially Sergei Lavrov

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:58 | 4690640 Bryan
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Thu, 04/24/2014 - 18:01 | 4692716 novictim
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Bryanovitch, are you saying we should let the Ukrainians work this out for themselves and that the USA and Russia should stay out?  And what of Crimea?

Or are you saying that Russia should be allowed to carve up that soveriegn country any which way it sees fit?

You see comrade, I think that you and the majority of posters on the ZH site are paid stooges of the Kremlin.  Da?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:58 | 4690641 Itchy and Scratchy
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Is it possible for Amerika ever to get involved in any region of the world that DOESN'T involve blood shed, suffering and death? Nothing more than a monsterous pathetic imperialist paracite.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 10:59 | 4690643 Obchelli
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That is exactly what will happen. 

Russian agression was even worth in 2008 in Georgia but EU, US did nothing to help. Given their Leader was Crazy guy but Georgia is not Slavic country so if in Ukraine Russia has any Legitimacy they had none in Georgia... But Honeybadger Putin doesn't care... West behave like France in WWII and Honeybadger knows they will chicken out

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:00 | 4690646 Savvy
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What did the US do when they encouraged Georgia to go after S Ossetia and Russia put a stop to it? SFA.


Fact is NATO got what they went into Ukraine for in the first place, gold and debt slavery. Now the banksters are done with Ukraine.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:14 | 4690695 slightlyskeptical
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Debt slavery? The Ukranians, once they kick out the illegal government, will refuse responsibility for any money lent to the Nazi's.


If someone takes over my house, takes out a loan against it's value, and the bankers expect me to pay it back, they have another thing coming.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:03 | 4690661 swmnguy
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"Yats" and his gang of clowns seem to be awakening to the wisdom of the expression that if you can't tell who the sucker in the room is, it's you.  They are bait.  Worms on the hook.  No more than that.  It doesn't matter to the US strategy if they win, lose, or are hung upside down from gas station signs to be meat pinatas. 

Obama et. al. are not quaking in their boots at the prospect of failure.  Not here, not in Syria, not anywhere.  Why do you think he told Japan the US would support them in their dispute with China over some uninhabitable rocks (not to mention the resources below the sea in that area)?  Looking for another hot patch of coals to stoke up.  Looking for a crack in the rock to turn into a fracture point. 

The US strategy, proposed and managed mostly by Zbigniew Brzezinski, is working brilliantly.  Look at all the Kissinger-Brzezinski-Wolfowitz acolytes running US foreign policy.  They seem to have found a very specific type of woman to be very useful in this; Jen Psaki, Nudelman, Mrs. Clinton, etc.  Over the past 15 years or so, we have surrounded Russia and China with fire and death.  We have put large reserves of strategic resources off-limits, either by war on top of them, or in the routes such resources would have to travel to get to market.  I see things are hotting up in "South Sudan" again.  That's no coincidence.

People make the mistake of thinking US strategy involves conventional ideas of "winning" and Empire.  Wrong.  The goal of the strategy is to take out the knees of any potential adversary.  That includes Russia, China and the E.U.  If India, Brazil, or the "Asian Tigers" ever got their shit together, or back together, we'd be reading about mysterious and extremely brutal "resistance" organizations in those countries.  If they ever really got it together, we'd be hearing about how their leaders are the "New Hitler."

"Yats" and his boys are no doubt pondering the CIA's retirement plan, as lived out by fully vested employees Noriega, S. Hussein, Gadhafi, bin Laden, and various other "Third World" leaders whose names even their former victims don't remember.

And the strategy works whether or not it appears to fail, because "Success" isn't the point.  Violent chaotic instability is the goal.  And that, we're creating in abundance.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:21 | 4691004 Tengri Temujin
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Everybody has STRATEGY until they GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE.  That is a nice result of your so called violent chaotic instability, once you start it you don't know where the shit is going to dump.

Start building those nuclear shelters boys and girls, when the punch comes it will rock the world.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:05 | 4691184 Zerozen
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swmnguy - THIS +10000

Most clear summary of the current geopolitical state of the world I've read in a while

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:29 | 4691314 UselessEater
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Violent chaotic instability is the goal.

to bring the NWO meme of global governance for 'peace'

but it may not be the USA as its known bringing this about but the "breakaway civilistsation" within the USA

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 17:50 | 4692679 novictim
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Oh, yes.  You would-be Realpolitik crowd are such blowhards.  It is such a complex and confusing black-box of a world you try to live in that it makes me wonder if you could tear your way out of a paper bag...or would you assume it was a trick and take up permanent residence?

Come on, BagBoy, how about considering the simplest explanation for events:  The Ukraine wants to be in charge of its own destiny without interference from a corrupt and despotic neighbor, Russia?  

Occam's Razor suggests that the Ukrainians want simply to rid themselves of the corruption of the East and want to choose a democratic future with prosperity on the level seen by Poland and the Baltics...How about taking this into your calculus?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:07 | 4690670 Itchy and Scratchy
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China massive trump card in this dangerous chess game! Victoria Nudleman Kagan will have her blood stained hands full if the Asians enter the fray!

Amerika's act is only to mop up after they set allies agianst eachother!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:09 | 4690674 slightlyskeptical
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They can always be offset by the Russian and Chinese bonds the US Govt holds..... oops wait a second

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:09 | 4690675 Gunter
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"that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance."

We had already a visit from two Russian bombers yesterday, shortly into Netherlands airspace, then made their way home over Germany. Makes sense now.

Military assistance for the Ukraine Nazis from Who? The west, he says. ok, if somebody from Western Europe should do as he said, we will certainly see more of the above-mentioned aeroplanes in our skies around here.

But wait a moment. Doesn't the U.S. have tens of thousands of soldiers as well as a large number of nuclear warheads in Germany near Kaiserslautern.

That brings us to question, if the U.S. is ok with Amsterdam or Hamburg being destroyed by Russian bombers or will they do something.

But wait a moment. Do what? In that case there is only one option left: Nuclear war, and no matter who fires the first one, 12 minutes later the U.S. will be hit, and that was it then.

The seriousness of the situation is widely unrecognized.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:13 | 4690691 RougeUnderwriter
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Just blow up the pipeline that lead into urope from Russia and you will get everyones attention

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:15 | 4690700 Itchy and Scratchy
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Watch for a spike in Nat Gaz futures. Then you see the fireworks!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:06 | 4690933 Winston of Oceania
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That is really the only option left to them, hold everyone hostage and attack only pipelines. A certain military victory for the meager forces of Ukraine and sure to get mutty's attention.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:18 | 4690716 Caveman93
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Gosh, I sure hope Putin isn't going to attempt to ramp the US war machine up so we bleed ourselves into a bankruptcy because we can't afford all this shit. Where have I seen a strategy like that work before? Oh nevermind!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:22 | 4690732 MsCreant
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Even a caveman can figure it out, eh?

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:32 | 4691334 cougar_w
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Cheers. Haven't seen you 'round much.

Check out my new blog, where I feed people I don't like to an actual tiger:

People tell me it's funny as hell. Well that's just how the world is I guess.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:23 | 4690738 Caracalla
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Face it folks...the U.S. and Russia could have global thermo-nuclear war tonight and stocks would still be green at the open tomorrow.  NASDAQ fell to minus 15 on this "news" and is now up significantly.  This stuff is just manipulation to create a dip to buy.  If you were smart this morning, you BTFD

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:30 | 4690762 holgerdanske
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Corrupt and selfserving, albeit democratically elected. Does that qualiffy as ligitimate?


Just asking.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:42 | 4690771 tony wilson
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help the kiev nazi bomba dear

help him help him

give him your support ge give him depleted uranium munitions

help scatman yats the yid

help him help him

protect all the 6 million jewish souls of kiev

help them help them

give them your taxes give them your gold and your childrens

help them help them  in this un bloodied time of crimson need.

help them

so the jews can help themselves for zion for chevron and monsanto ever mores.


Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:53 | 4690878 SMC
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Perhaps If they sent the Obummer a box of red crayons his crony-capitalist masters might "consider their pathetic message".

The Kiev Killers currently in charge are nothing more than scared playground bullies who are terrified of those who have reached the conclusion that US thuggery must be stopped - here and now.

50 million is hard to spend from the grave.

In a sense, the same argument can apply to the DC Drama Queens, they know that domestically the US is one spark away from becoming a flaming fourth-world hellhole, yet they continue to kneel, obey and enrich their crony-capitalist masters.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 11:59 | 4690905 Zardoz67
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in Russia companies have received the instruction to prepare an operational plan of supply to replace the ones that come to us and eu with other countries, including China, India and others.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 12:43 | 4691084 novictim
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Gondor calls for Aid.

We will answer!

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:29 | 4691308 cougar_w
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I'm fine with sending 10,000 horsemen of Rohan.

Hell I bet Putin would ride out to meet them at battle-speed, bare-chested carrying a spear.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 17:27 | 4692592 novictim
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...his long hair unfurled, his wedding dress (betrothed to the Russian people) flapping in the rush of the charge on his guilded Icelandic pony, his glass slippers sparkling in the sun, an image of the days of old undimmed by the ending of his world....

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:04 | 4691180 Joe A
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Nobody in his right mind is going to risk thermonuclear war over a place called Ukraine.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 13:43 | 4691423 Element
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Nobody in their right mind would activate a nuclear attack plan either, but they all have them, and they have all come close to using them and the US has actually activated the first phase of such a nuclear attack plan in the past. And I'm not talking about WWII.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 14:50 | 4691897 Joe A
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I guess that we are being lead by people who do not have a right mind. The generation that lived through the horrors of WWII including the nuclear bombing of Japan are gone now. You are right in saying that the world came close to MAD. And it could happen again. A dangerous game is being played here.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 14:23 | 4691717 smacker
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This confrontation has nothing whatsoever to do with Ukraine. It is merely in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 14:51 | 4691905 Joe A
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That is right. It sucks having a geographically strategic location and not being in the position to tell others not to fool around with that.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 17:35 | 4692627 novictim
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Please explain.

Please describe why the Ukrainians need to be ruled by Russia in order for you to feel good about things.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 21:41 | 4693508 smacker
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"Please explain"

What's going on in Ukraine has little to do with the West wanting the country. After all, it's got nothing of real value and no energy resources etc. It's a proxy confrontation with Russia. It's really about the West taking control of Ukraine so NATO can install itself to further surround Russia. Ukraine happens to have borders with Russia and is in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Bottom line: this is really a proxy battle with the West trying to take on Russia. China is next on the list.

Thu, 04/24/2014 - 17:31 | 4692620 novictim
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that will really be up to Russia as we Americans

1) sink their fleet,

2) down their Airforce, and

3)decimate their ground forces.

Did I mention "BURN THEIR GREATEST CITIES"?  Yes, and then the cowardly threat of the use of nukes will pull their Russian asses out of the fire of total dissolution of their country.

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