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Desperate Ukraine Pleads: "Red Line Has Already Been Crossed"
Ukraine's Deputy Foreign Minister Danylo Lubkivsky exhorted to US State department officials, "let's not look for further time frames," demanding "all necessary pressure" be applied now. The red line has already been crossed and, as Bloomberg reports, Lubkivsky says he hopes U.S., EU don’t prioritize political concerns over moral ones and that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance.
As Bloomberg reports,
“Let’s not look for further time frames” and instead exert “all necessary pressure,” Ukrainian deputy foreign minister Danylo Lubkivsky tells State Dept officials, journalists, researchers in Washington.
Says he hopes U.S., EU don’t prioritize political concerns over moral ones and that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance
“We will defend ourselves, but we do believe that Ukraine will not be alone at this time facing such an enormous” threat, Lubkivsky says
Says Crimea will return to Ukraine; “majority of international community clearly supported Ukraine in terms of Crimea and our territorial independence”
Translation: You're all talk, US!! Please give us some real support or Russia will roll all over us...
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I'm pretty sure the red line was crossed when you overthrew the legitimate government.
Fuck the EU...unquote
It will be interesting to watch as Russia rolls into Ukraine, and the US and EU don't do a thing.
I can imagine there would be interesting conversations occuring in Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania later that day.
How dare you say we will not do a thing!
There are sternly worded statements that will be written ... and we will call Putin a petulent child at the back of the class!!!
https://imgflip.com/i/8ckv2
So the illigitimate government which did a putsch with the help of CIA and MI6 now pleads for the Nation State owners of CIA and MI6 to support them when challenged by their own citizenry as well as a foriegn power.
How many times have we heard this...
Bay of Pigs, Egypt (et al color revolutions) Vietnam, etc... The very people supported are deserted.
(Regrdless of whose side one roots for, they get installed and deserted)
Deserted takes upon a whole new meaning.
Guess there's always room for Jello
obombya is too busy golfing (instead of attending his aunt's funeral) and eating radioactive sushi in Tokyo (hopefully LOTS AND FUCKING LOTS OF RADIOACTIVE SUSHI!!!), to bother with Ukraine issues. He's already recieved his orders from the banksters, and he's already had long sweet talks with Pooty-poot on the phone about how they're going to rebuild the cold-war and split up the world and turn America and everything else over to the NWO....ooops...we weren't supposed to realize that.
Sssssshhhh...don't say I said anything, but....well...ya see....it's all going according to the puppet master's plans.
You've all seen WWF/WWE wrestling before, right? Yeah...same concept. They're all buddies behind the curtains and the fake fighting is all by design.
And they sure as hell don't care who they kill or who gets killed and/or maimed while fighting their pre-planned, scripted, bankster wars, either.
The conflict in Ukraine is real, so is the conflict between Japan and China. Russia wants the USSR back and the former USSR states don't really want to be a part of the new USSR. They're looking to America to save them and I think they'll find out America has been all talk for quite a few years. The next step will be China taking the South China Sea islands while we do nothing but bluster and yell about sanctions about that too. The US does not want a war the US may lose so the US has no interest in a war with combined power of China and Russia.
By Ukraine's "desperate pleading", you meant Ukraine's "cynical manuevering", right?
Once Russia takes the more productive eastern Ukraine region, the Euromaiden gov't is going to be in deep sh*t. Western Ukraine has little to offer economically to anyone.
Ukraine was always going to find out that when they needed NATO support that NATO would not be returning their calls, but maybe the IMF still would.
So the result will be proxy war against Russia, where front-line non-NATO states are 'given' the national opportunity to recover and secure their own territory. So this will spread.
It was also clear all along the Kiev Euromaidan were hopeless window dressing and never going to last. The country is not behind them. They're innately divisive, so the situation can never be resolved more directly, with them still claiming to be a 'govt' in Kiev.
But the Ukrainians will fall behind someone to combat the Russian separatists and that someone is most likely be a military coup in Kiev to remove that 'govt', completely, and impose a national emergency to mobilize a real effort to eliminate and expel or else wipe-out all Russian-backed separatists.
Seems these separtists are the majority in eastern Ukraine..
how will Germany play this?
Well there are a lot of Greeks in Melbourne and a lot of Pakis and Indians in Sydney, but if they ever thought of carving off a part of Australia for their former 'homeland' you could expect quite a bit of official and unofficial ethnic cleansing, if negotiations would not be forthrightly and immediately entered into, and their exact status agreed to be Australian. They would be in deep shit if they claimed to be nationals of some other country and were inciting a foreign power to attack on their behalf, and simultaneously were facetiously claiming to be 'innocent' and oppressed.
Yeah, those Ukrainians are fucked. If they don't understand there's always another red line to cross right behind the last one by now, they never will.
They were dumb enough to actually believe the US government?
I personally believe the gunmen in Kiev are simply looting as much as they can while their G5's are on standby. They better time that run to the airport just right!
It's the rest of the Ukrainians that will be caught on the ground that'll be fucked.
so really its more like a really wide red carpet.
Nothing will happen until the weekend. It seems everything happens on the weekend while the fucking markets are closed!
But that's just it, Haus: the NWO has cornered itself.
This malevolent creature is almost compelled to engage in hostilities, at least to the degree that the general populations of the Eastern NATO states feel confirmed in their nuzzling up to the satanic kleptocratic empire.
But the US cannot commit actual divisions to fighting Russian forces in Donetsk, Lugansk, etc. There simply are not the functioning Army units, save for a handful of Ranges, etc. A male-female techno garbage economic consript force is can't standup to a nation where manhood still exists and is fighting an existential threat.
Unless, the powers that be go full, balls deep, super weapon. But that necessarily leads to WOPR style Global Thermonuclear War.
They are stuck and they know it. It's anyone's guess what is the next move.
Putin is being restrained because he knows those in the West are so out of control evil and irrational, it's hard to know what the next move of the NWO will be.
I strongly suggest to all to store up all temporal -and spiritual- goods in each of your arks.
I can imagine there would be interesting conversations occuring in Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania later that day.
Solution? Keep Nuland and all other Neocons the hell out of the place.
here is another sanction idea: putin's son cannot apply for scolarship in the US,
and if he really pushes the buttons then the next step will be to not allow him to study in any american universtory ...
now, go ahead if you must
Putin doesn't have a son...
So honebadger doesn't care. And his daughters already graduated...
Thugs, Oligarchs and, common crooks seeking the protection of the USSA.
Makes perfect sense to me.
The U.S. has become a beacon of hope and support for despots, criminals, thugs, aliens, and perverts everywhere.
" ...that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance."
What, no financial assistance?
What's the Secretary and Under-secretary throwing them fiat over for?
Yeah, but the Ukrainians want to keep that on the DL, so they can make it magically disappear into their offshore accounts.
I have almost no pride left in being american. I dont even know what it represents anymore.
"Lubkivsky says he hopes U.S., EU don’t prioritize political concerns over moral ones and that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance."
We can't help our way out of a wet paper bag without starting a world war.
What is a legitimate government? Is that like a Free Market?
The more local and limited, the more likely to be morally legitimate.
Which is why I'm a firm proponent of one government per person.
Like it or not the majority of people are too freaking stupid to govern their own lives and they feel the need to have a government to make decisions for them. Yanukovich and his democratically elected cronies were uspurped by a CIA backed coup. Regardless of what we think of government, they are the elected "leaders".
I'm not sure what actual documentation there is of this, but it will quickly become the story of the day, until they drop a rumor that he likes little boys...
“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.
“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
Now that is interesting. I'm sure we will see this crap all over CNN and FAUX news before the day is out. There is a lot about living in 1984 that sucks.
Oh, there's more than that.
When the DNC decided they could not counter the Obamacare accusation campaign by all the GOP Senate candidates about to take the Senate, the choice was made to declare Obamacare a rousing success -- because there was no other possible strategy.
There will now be an avalanche of articles praising it and pointing out how anyone supporting it was a genius.
You are so correct I need to get up and go puke.
Try as I might, i fail to see the racism in Bundy's comment.
Is it now racism to comment truthfully about the condition of Blacks on welfare and the degredation that has been imposed upon them by the welfare state?
Well, for one thing he probably could have used a better example than cotton picking. Doctors? Lawyers?
That shows an inherent belief that some people are only good enough to do some things. Which IS racist when you are speaking about a particular race.
Some people are not eloquent, and that is fine. It takes all kinds of people doing all kinds of things to make the world go round. Maybe he misspoke?
But come on, if you are in the middle of a fight that ostensibly is about freedom you sure as shit cannot start debating whether or not someone was better off being the property of another against their will.
Jesus Harold Christ.
pods
I´m sure Al Sharpton read that article, and is now standing in line waiting to get his balls scanned at JFK, destination Las Vegas.
Well at least he didn't spout off about read lines or some such. Nor did he suggest nuking everyone of a certain race in Eastern Ukraine, or threaten to prevent a distinct social group from using their customary language. And when he didn't do these things he didn't have the USSA Secretary of State backing him up on these pronouncements either.
Stones. Meet glass house.
Can something be racist if it's true? Just asking. If you answer in the affirmative then you logically favor suppressing the truth. If it's negative then you need to start doing a lot of fact checking. (PS I'm not suggesting that what Bundy said was true, by the way)
They are too stupid to govern their own lives only because they've never had the opportunity.
Stupid should hurt.
Get hurt enough and one either starts to wise up, or suffer the consequences.
Thing is, thanks to Uncle Sugar, consequences are far far removed from daily activities, like say, trying to feed yourself.
Yes Doc, you are correct, moreover, highly indebted nations/corporation/people should really be concerned with other potential problems in their own backyard...
Tick tock motherfuckers...
Don't despair, Ukraine. Barry will ride in on his white horse (Kerry) to save the day.
Ride the white pony.
I was thinking that when you draw a red line, it's easy to cross it when you, yourself are the one that crosses it.
Ukraine will be alone if it tries to wipe out its non-Nazi citizens.
Russia will take on and destroy whoever fights for the Nazi regime.
If the violent elements of the Maidan protesters had been branded as "Domestic Terrorists" in the first place, we never would have had the Coup/Putsch, nor the mess we have now.
Unfortunately, "being kind" has its mortal consequences also. The old President was "legitimate", yes. Being corrupt was bad enough, but his real problem was that he lacked clarity, a plan and the will to act. IOW, he was a puppet, just like the current guys.
And, as a populace, the Ukes are too damn passive and subservient to authority figures (clerical and secular), to really force constructive change. In the moment where they tried (or a small part of the Kiev population tried), it was the worst and the most active elements that took over. With outside helps, admittedly, but the rest did not do enough.
Remember the old proberb: "A people (always!) deserve its leaders".
And "Freedom/democracy is not for the uninformed, lazy, scared or disorganized". All these attributes are associated with sheep (sheeple), not people. But that should not surprise us, given that clerics have been brainwashing its "flock" (for 2000 yrs) to be timid, passive and accepting of whatever comes their way.
S.O.S. to M.I.A. Asst Sec of State Victoria (FU) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan! Where is 'ya when we need 'ya?
That's one hell of a mess she left behind in Ukraine, isn't it? Par for the course for those Neocon bastards wherever they go.
Don't worry! Obama's word to help you guys out is as good as gold!!...
... dang...
As good as all the Gold in Ft. Knox.
snicker....
yeah BEWARE russia coz he's got a pen !
I fear the Phone above all
Wait until Obama hears about THIS on the news.
Rumor is that Barry is good at doing lines.
The fascist coup leaders of Ukraine must clearly see that if Russia moves in all the way too Kiev they'll be lynched and hanging from the rafters of gas stations upside down before the Russian tanks even make in to the city centre. Mess with the bull you get the horns bitchez!!!
My best guess is the USA is going to leave these out to hang. Other than the Mercs that's as far as it goes. I'm sure these guys made the same promises as Bagdad Bob. "They will all love us" Heh.
that would be "mess with the bear you get the claws bitchez"
Suggestion: Ya' better load up on gaz for the BBQ for the weekend b4 it's too late!
Pathetic.
Warrior up my friends, the bigger battle with-in.
Oldest gnostic, hermetic maxim, as without, so within.
From peace to pieces other-wise...
ori
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/wisdom-for-warriors-1/
War, what is it good for?..roughly 600 points on the DOW.
Why do people on ZH think like this?
You know perfectly well HFT is over 60% of volume and you know HFT can rig the market in any direction it wants.
War is not relevant to the computers' arena fighting with each other.
Why even care? Why be involved in that? Buy farmland and sell food to people. Do you really think you'd regret that in 10 years?
Yes.
The DOW is completely manipulated nowadays, it's a weather station to assure the sheep that all is sunny.
Farmland is rapidly becoming an insane bubble on its own.
We have no vital interest in the Ukraine and loss of liberty is perfect for this group in DC!
Next time you need help ... CALL A NEOCON!
Send em a couple dozen used drones. That'll shut em up.
That is not a nice way to refer to Hillary, Pelosi and Feinstein.
OH ... I thought you said 'used crones.'
I had a male friend a long time back who got into a lot of fights. He had a girlfriend who ran her mouth, got in trouble, and then he would have to bail her out.
He broke up with her and made it a rule that his next girlfriend was going to have to be able to fend for herself, he was tired of being in fights. He married a friend of mine who can handle her self, and would never dream of making a situation happen just so she could take pleasure in watching my friend fight for her.
We don't need this girlfriend. I know we told her we would have her back. I know we even told her to stir up some shit with that guy at the bar. But we need to grow up and stop playing games.
Wish it was that simple, Ms.
Now its a existential fight for the petro-dollar.
If that takes hundreds of millions of lives,
Uncle Scam will willingly take them.
No change of GRC has ever happenend without a (known) world war. The last one being no exception, because that war was already ongoing makes no difference.
I agree regarding the petrodollar.
I still think my point about the "games" stands. I had a fantasy when I read your post. We should just come out and say it, we are strategizing for the energy reserves and so is everyone else. Just say it is running out. Get the world, collectively, focused about how to go for as soft a landing as possible. No head games, get real. Let an open, free market work on the problem. Yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds. They are incapable of doing something like that. Like I said, it was a fantasy. But what a rush, to be working from an open and honest dialogue.
Unfortunately, only a good bitch slap will make that happen for the US.
Did it look something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xsaMcw69D8
Did you not train your troops in Poland as you did the putchists?
Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance by Thierry Meyssanhttp://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html
interesting article, thanks. while I do have some suspicions about the role of Poland in all this mess - at least until lately - there is one passage in the article which I find highly suspicious:
"The Polish weekly refers to photographs attesting to the training, which show the Ukrainians in Nazi uniforms alongside their Polish instructors in civilian clothing."
Polish fascists giving private help to Ukrainian fascists? Very likely, imho
some good-humoured Polish official "I'll look the other way"? possible
Polish fascists which are in fact infiltrators of the Polish gov giving training to Ukrainian fascists? possible
but
Polish official training of Ukrainians in Nazi uniforms? you gotta be kidding me. Even Polish fascists hate Nazi uniforms
But all the kewl kids are wearing'em!
Pant Suit Hillary has joined the Pussy Riot just in time! U go girl!
Ukraine's (usa-puppet) Deputy Foreign Minister Danylo Lubkivsky today read a statement prepared by the usa cia exhorting the us state department to urge the military industrial complex to get moar money from the usa treasury who said the usa-puppet imf would spend however much money the usa-puppet other countries deemed necessary to ensure executive compensation would not suffer and that the usa bankers would receive their bond payments on time and the usa oil companies would keep imports at an all time high in spite of ever increasing oil prices...
I'm waiting for China and Russia to cross the US bond line. Checkmate mutherfukkers!
Why would they sell bonds and drive down the value of the rest of their bond holdings?
They might not buy more, but there is no rationale behind selling what they have. They can just let them mature and redeem, but selling is just silly.
I disagree. By driving the rate up they'll bust the US budget and the ability of the US to finance war. What stops the US from just walking away from those bonds if the shit really does hit the fan? It's called leverage.
Correct, besides all those bonds are priced in dollars and killing the fucking dollar is exactly what China wants to do, to them, the act of buying bonds was for political leverage period, that's the real fucking value of the holdings, not the holdings themselves.
I suggest someone re-read "The Art of War".
Patience guys, Rome wasn't destroyed in a day.
Alternate to SWIFT... underway.
Alternate to IMF....in hand.
Full convertability of Yuan...July.
BRICS Commodities futures......July.
US bond ,and dollar dump probably this year before xmas.
I call it like I see it LOP. There's more to the bond battle but it's our weak spot. Only thing propping the US regime up is the Fed's ability to print, our reserve currency status, and our military. Take away any 1 of those 3 things, and we're toast.
Pray to McCain and Obama to save your souls and mortal bodies.
Fuck Obunghole and McStain. Worthless statist POSs. Who don't serve the interests of the general population.
Red line crossed, hah, there is Brown line in barry's undies
Didn't the Day After start something like this?
I can see Otumbo and biden firing up the choom wagon as we speak, of course biden has his self defense shotgun and Obumbler has his Reggie pipe!
At first ... the Uke's couldn't get rid of meddling Asst Sec of State Victoria (FU) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan ... and now they can't find her with a search warrant! Yoohooo ..... Victooooria Nudlemannnnn ... we know yur out there somewhere! Come out ...come out ...wherever you are!
They can send their own children to die in defense of fractional-reserve banking.
The Russian bear will provide the necessary bitch slap soon enough!
Obama's reply: "that red line that has been crossed ... will be continually redrawn until it is at the Potomac. Once it threatens my favorite golf course, war will be declared."
Anybody keeping score?
My unofficial count is: Russia 15, entire "west" 0
Zero? When did Obama and the EU score enough points to get us that high?
Barry keeps shooting free throws into Russia's basket.
Deputy Foreign Minister Danylo Lubkivsky is a liar and slimeball warmonger with an obvious agenda to expand the conflict - which HIS illegitimate fascist government started - to bring NATO in and confront Russia.
Somebody needs to deal with him and end Ukraine's misery.
Here we have the "fascist" claim again.
Ironic, given that Russia under Princess Putin is now blocking websites and has taken control of independent media outlets and is sending thugs in to disrupt and intimidate opposition and dissident rallies.
Hey, but what happened to the Jewish Conspiracy stuff? What happened to the line that Jewish Zionists were behind the Maidan revolution? Did your focus groups find that one a bust or something?
Smack-ass, what is the Kremlin paying for your services and do they give you a bonus for new and novel lies?
I have never posted any Jewish conspiracy stuff.
I don't recognise any of your comments as possibly relating to me. Are you confused?
Who will be the first American kid to nobly sacrifice his life for Ukrainian democracy? George Robert Stephanopoulos and the mainstream media await in the wings. Come on, hurry up. The suspense is killing us.
Let's give guns and explosives to the neo nazis. That way we get all of the government waste demanded by chicken hawks, but zero Americans will die.
That's exactly what we're doing. The neo nazis wiill never negotiate and they will never surrender. There's no point; nothing in it for them other than death. So they'll do a fine job in the role we want them to play. They're the local cultural equivalent of "Al Quaeda."
Hey, somebody's gotta fill the billet for the "Let's you and him fight!" protocol.
If only one nuclear warhead makes it to new york, you will be sorry to start this shit olama
I will be disappointed if it's only one.
The Deputiy Foreign Minister? We are not good enough to have the Foreign Minister beg and plead in futility?
No doubt the full Foreign Minister is too busy conducting policy by updating his FaceBook status, or adding a bunch of skills on his LinkedIn profile. No doubt he's getting endorsements for his skill in "Foreign Policy" by all his LinkedIn buddies; Karzai, Morsi, Baghdad Bob, and the rest.
Get the drones Barry you fucking pussy.
Let's crank this up a notch or two!!!!!!!
So many 'lines' so little time...
Sorry, No diplomats available on planet.
Disagree...Russia has...especially Sergei Lavrov
STAY OUT OF UKRAINE!
Bryanovitch, are you saying we should let the Ukrainians work this out for themselves and that the USA and Russia should stay out? And what of Crimea?
Or are you saying that Russia should be allowed to carve up that soveriegn country any which way it sees fit?
You see comrade, I think that you and the majority of posters on the ZH site are paid stooges of the Kremlin. Da?
Is it possible for Amerika ever to get involved in any region of the world that DOESN'T involve blood shed, suffering and death? Nothing more than a monsterous pathetic imperialist paracite.
That is exactly what will happen.
Russian agression was even worth in 2008 in Georgia but EU, US did nothing to help. Given their Leader was Crazy guy but Georgia is not Slavic country so if in Ukraine Russia has any Legitimacy they had none in Georgia... But Honeybadger Putin doesn't care... West behave like France in WWII and Honeybadger knows they will chicken out
What did the US do when they encouraged Georgia to go after S Ossetia and Russia put a stop to it? SFA.
Fact is NATO got what they went into Ukraine for in the first place, gold and debt slavery. Now the banksters are done with Ukraine.
Debt slavery? The Ukranians, once they kick out the illegal government, will refuse responsibility for any money lent to the Nazi's.
If someone takes over my house, takes out a loan against it's value, and the bankers expect me to pay it back, they have another thing coming.
"Yats" and his gang of clowns seem to be awakening to the wisdom of the expression that if you can't tell who the sucker in the room is, it's you. They are bait. Worms on the hook. No more than that. It doesn't matter to the US strategy if they win, lose, or are hung upside down from gas station signs to be meat pinatas.
Obama et. al. are not quaking in their boots at the prospect of failure. Not here, not in Syria, not anywhere. Why do you think he told Japan the US would support them in their dispute with China over some uninhabitable rocks (not to mention the resources below the sea in that area)? Looking for another hot patch of coals to stoke up. Looking for a crack in the rock to turn into a fracture point.
The US strategy, proposed and managed mostly by Zbigniew Brzezinski, is working brilliantly. Look at all the Kissinger-Brzezinski-Wolfowitz acolytes running US foreign policy. They seem to have found a very specific type of woman to be very useful in this; Jen Psaki, Nudelman, Mrs. Clinton, etc. Over the past 15 years or so, we have surrounded Russia and China with fire and death. We have put large reserves of strategic resources off-limits, either by war on top of them, or in the routes such resources would have to travel to get to market. I see things are hotting up in "South Sudan" again. That's no coincidence.
People make the mistake of thinking US strategy involves conventional ideas of "winning" and Empire. Wrong. The goal of the strategy is to take out the knees of any potential adversary. That includes Russia, China and the E.U. If India, Brazil, or the "Asian Tigers" ever got their shit together, or back together, we'd be reading about mysterious and extremely brutal "resistance" organizations in those countries. If they ever really got it together, we'd be hearing about how their leaders are the "New Hitler."
"Yats" and his boys are no doubt pondering the CIA's retirement plan, as lived out by fully vested employees Noriega, S. Hussein, Gadhafi, bin Laden, and various other "Third World" leaders whose names even their former victims don't remember.
And the strategy works whether or not it appears to fail, because "Success" isn't the point. Violent chaotic instability is the goal. And that, we're creating in abundance.
Everybody has STRATEGY until they GET PUNCHED IN THE FACE. That is a nice result of your so called violent chaotic instability, once you start it you don't know where the shit is going to dump.
Start building those nuclear shelters boys and girls, when the punch comes it will rock the world.
swmnguy - THIS +10000
Most clear summary of the current geopolitical state of the world I've read in a while
Violent chaotic instability is the goal.
to bring the NWO meme of global governance for 'peace'
but it may not be the USA as its known bringing this about but the "breakaway civilistsation" within the USA
Oh, yes. You would-be Realpolitik crowd are such blowhards. It is such a complex and confusing black-box of a world you try to live in that it makes me wonder if you could tear your way out of a paper bag...or would you assume it was a trick and take up permanent residence?
Come on, BagBoy, how about considering the simplest explanation for events: The Ukraine wants to be in charge of its own destiny without interference from a corrupt and despotic neighbor, Russia?
Occam's Razor suggests that the Ukrainians want simply to rid themselves of the corruption of the East and want to choose a democratic future with prosperity on the level seen by Poland and the Baltics...How about taking this into your calculus?
China massive trump card in this dangerous chess game! Victoria Nudleman Kagan will have her blood stained hands full if the Asians enter the fray!
Amerika's act is only to mop up after they set allies agianst eachother!
They can always be offset by the Russian and Chinese bonds the US Govt holds..... oops wait a second
"that the West will help with economic, diplomatic and military assistance."
We had already a visit from two Russian bombers yesterday, shortly into Netherlands airspace, then made their way home over Germany. Makes sense now.
Military assistance for the Ukraine Nazis from Who? The west, he says. ok, if somebody from Western Europe should do as he said, we will certainly see more of the above-mentioned aeroplanes in our skies around here.
But wait a moment. Doesn't the U.S. have tens of thousands of soldiers as well as a large number of nuclear warheads in Germany near Kaiserslautern.
That brings us to question, if the U.S. is ok with Amsterdam or Hamburg being destroyed by Russian bombers or will they do something.
But wait a moment. Do what? In that case there is only one option left: Nuclear war, and no matter who fires the first one, 12 minutes later the U.S. will be hit, and that was it then.
The seriousness of the situation is widely unrecognized.
Just blow up the pipeline that lead into urope from Russia and you will get everyones attention
Watch for a spike in Nat Gaz futures. Then you see the fireworks!
That is really the only option left to them, hold everyone hostage and attack only pipelines. A certain military victory for the meager forces of Ukraine and sure to get mutty's attention.
Gosh, I sure hope Putin isn't going to attempt to ramp the US war machine up so we bleed ourselves into a bankruptcy because we can't afford all this shit. Where have I seen a strategy like that work before? Oh nevermind!
Even a caveman can figure it out, eh?
Cheers. Haven't seen you 'round much.
Check out my new blog, where I feed people I don't like to an actual tiger:
http://fedtoatiger.blogspot.com/2014/04/hello-now-prepare-to-die.html
People tell me it's funny as hell. Well that's just how the world is I guess.
Face it folks...the U.S. and Russia could have global thermo-nuclear war tonight and stocks would still be green at the open tomorrow. NASDAQ fell to minus 15 on this "news" and is now up significantly. This stuff is just manipulation to create a dip to buy. If you were smart this morning, you BTFD
Legitimate???
Corrupt and selfserving, albeit democratically elected. Does that qualiffy as ligitimate?
Just asking.
help the kiev nazi bomba dear
help him help him
give him your support ge give him depleted uranium munitions
help scatman yats the yid
help him help him
protect all the 6 million jewish souls of kiev
help them help them
give them your taxes give them your gold and your childrens
help them help them in this un bloodied time of crimson need.
help them
so the jews can help themselves for zion for chevron and monsanto ever mores.
Perhaps If they sent the Obummer a box of red crayons his crony-capitalist masters might "consider their pathetic message".
The Kiev Killers currently in charge are nothing more than scared playground bullies who are terrified of those who have reached the conclusion that US thuggery must be stopped - here and now.
50 million is hard to spend from the grave.
In a sense, the same argument can apply to the DC Drama Queens, they know that domestically the US is one spark away from becoming a flaming fourth-world hellhole, yet they continue to kneel, obey and enrich their crony-capitalist masters.
in Russia companies have received the instruction to prepare an operational plan of supply to replace the ones that come to us and eu with other countries, including China, India and others.
Gondor calls for Aid.
We will answer!
I'm fine with sending 10,000 horsemen of Rohan.
Hell I bet Putin would ride out to meet them at battle-speed, bare-chested carrying a spear.
...his long hair unfurled, his wedding dress (betrothed to the Russian people) flapping in the rush of the charge on his guilded Icelandic pony, his glass slippers sparkling in the sun, an image of the days of old undimmed by the ending of his world....
Nobody in his right mind is going to risk thermonuclear war over a place called Ukraine.
Nobody in their right mind would activate a nuclear attack plan either, but they all have them, and they have all come close to using them and the US has actually activated the first phase of such a nuclear attack plan in the past. And I'm not talking about WWII.
I guess that we are being lead by people who do not have a right mind. The generation that lived through the horrors of WWII including the nuclear bombing of Japan are gone now. You are right in saying that the world came close to MAD. And it could happen again. A dangerous game is being played here.
This confrontation has nothing whatsoever to do with Ukraine. It is merely in the wrong place at the wrong time.
That is right. It sucks having a geographically strategic location and not being in the position to tell others not to fool around with that.
Please explain.
Please describe why the Ukrainians need to be ruled by Russia in order for you to feel good about things.
"Please explain"
What's going on in Ukraine has little to do with the West wanting the country. After all, it's got nothing of real value and no energy resources etc. It's a proxy confrontation with Russia. It's really about the West taking control of Ukraine so NATO can install itself to further surround Russia. Ukraine happens to have borders with Russia and is in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Bottom line: this is really a proxy battle with the West trying to take on Russia. China is next on the list.
that will really be up to Russia as we Americans
1) sink their fleet,
2) down their Airforce, and
3)decimate their ground forces.
Did I mention "BURN THEIR GREATEST CITIES"? Yes, and then the cowardly threat of the use of nukes will pull their Russian asses out of the fire of total dissolution of their country.