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Martin Armstrong Asks "Will We Have Another 'Waco' In Nevada?"
The Feds are gathering and have brought in hired guns. We are more likely than not headed into a military confrontation – the first since Waco. Keep in mind that Obama’s head of the Justice Department, Eric Holder now Attorney General, called the shots on Waco back then. He got away with it before – why not again?
There is a hope that if enough people show up the Feds will stand-down.
The likelihood of the Feds ever backing down is highly unlikely.
The Federal Government is severely disconnected from the people and views anyone who stands up to them as a criminal and domestic terrorist.
This is merely a dress rehearsal for the next 5 years that we face – a rising confrontation between the people and the government.
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that was janet reno at waco.
respect for police was well deserved at one time even though there were still plenty of abuses of authority. they actually did appear to protect and serve the community, however. fast forward to the nixon declared war on crime and the drug war and now to the quasi military force it has become and you have an organization that only a fool would think is there to protect and serve. the usa law enforcement industry has become its historical role as the .gov enforcer, the muscle. fuck them all. all of them need to seriously wonder if they will make it home alive tonight(contrary to the police union media, a cop's job is not even in the top twenty dangerous jobs in the4 usa) and every night. that is the only way to keep .gov enforcers under control.
Damn
Bundy is even losing support of the tinfoil hat crowd. C'mon guys! Put that hat on tighter! Add a few layers!
We need a hero. Any hero will do.
You are the hero you are looking for.
Short answer no as long as oathkeepers are involved. That is one organization they do not want to get into a shooting battle with right now even if they can win it for a couple of very important reasons. You shoot those people you lose the support of the military to do your bidding or at least seriously fracture it right now.
TPTB love putting us all in no win situations. This is another one.
I see no good outcome.
This is stagged from day one.
If the feds wanted the land they could just take it thru any numbers of ways. They have plenty of practice.
My guess is they are trying to avoid a bandana man. That is a real threat. jmo.
If the BLM or the FBI go in the Bundy ranch with guns blazing there won't be a cop or any law enforcement officer that will be safe anywhere in this country. That's a fact!!
If one cop gets shot by anyone anywhere near Nevada?
The following is a message from the Bundy Family April 22, 2014
Today is a beautiful day at the Bundy Ranch here in Bunkerville, Nevada. The birds are singing, the roosters crowing, the cowboys and cowgirls are working hard to feed all the baby calves that have been left behind from their mothers being driven mercilessly by the helicopters etc.
I guess all of us here at the ranch have been deemed by Harry Reid as “Domestic Terrorists”. What exactly does that mean? According to the new Patriot Act: Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover “”domestic,”” as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act “”dangerous to human life”” that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.
Harry , I would like to ask, who had the guns pointing at whom?
We were not carrying weapons, only using our 1st Amendment Right. We were not in the 200ft by 200ft fenced in “1st Amendment Area” they made for us. Who were the civilians being intimidated? Dave was only taking a video from his I-Pad standing by the State road side. Thrown down, beaten up and arrested by threat of Attack Dogs, Tasers, and guns.
Margaret was demanding to know why the BLM needed to use a dump truck pulling a trailer with a backhoe to gather cattle? Ammon was hollering at the man who just threw his aunt to the ground and they tased him 3 times, and sent their attack dog after him.
2 young boys were only taking pictures of helicopters pushing the cows and leaving behind the poor little calves who couldn’t keep up with their mothers when they were completely blocked up and surrounded by a dozen or so BLM vehicles. When the family, friends and neighbors ran to the rescue and hollered at them, the men threw back the boys drivers licenses at them and pulled out. Who was being kidnapped?
Dave was arrested and taken to jail overnight bloody, dirty, and injured. Then taken to a federal court to see a judge but after a few hours of waiting to see the judge suddenly they come into the room, hand him two citations, unchain him and release him through the door into the streets of Las Vegas.
Did this occur in the U.S? Really? Is Nevada not a State of the Republic?
So Harry Reid, are you suggesting that every American who challenges Federal Governments Authority is a Domestic Terrorist?
May God Bless this Nation and all those who have the desire to stand up and take back your country using the US Constitution to restore our individual rights. Your God Given Rights. Please read the “Bill of Rights” and Pray for those who don’t even know them. Bundy Family Secretary Media Inquires: Contact Shawna or Ashley at press@gmn.is or newsdesk@gmn.is 828-738-6588
.... the fossilized, withered old turd reid needs to have its skin sandpapered off and buried in salt... then thrown out into the Nevada desert for carrion.... and that would be too good methinks....
The video is from over two weeks ago. What's going on out there now?
Does anyone think that all the outrageous crap and bullsh*t that the fudge packer in chief and its corrupt cronies and minions have enabled is about the boil over? It's just one bullsh*t contemptible behavior and act after another after another after another after another after another after another..... when the frack is enough is enough....
Time to take shelter at the Bunny Ranch!
Find another form of communication, they're tracking everyone by cell phone
No, no WACO in Nevada, rebellions or civil wars don't work like that, feds push in NV and character X pushes back by <fill in the blank>.
<fill in the blank>
What is "fill in the blank"?
Okalahoma City was fill in the blank.
It can be an attack on anything anywhere or any person, even an Obama or Reid donor, fill in the blank has unlimited negative potential.
WACO ended with Oklahoma City and the feds deciding NOT to engage in warfare against their own citizens.
they can relearn
Oklahoma City was, mostly, the murder of non-involved innocents. If you're going to fight back, don't harm innocents. Only cowards go after innocents.
Worth a mention here relative to the treatment of vets..huge story at VA hospital in Phoenix, Arizona...executives are so buy concerned with meeting their numerical goals they create a "secret" list to put patients on and destroy records of those who have to wait a long time for an appointment wiht a VA doctor. A retired VA MD blew the whistle.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/04/va-hospital-in-phoenix-and-secret...
Worst part about it is that they VA Executives finally admitted the listing and can't understand what the heck they were doing wrong...again this thing I call "The Grays" where folks are confused on what virtual and real values are. The virtual values such as meeting the numerical goals came out to hurt the real world here as 1500 vets were on the list and 40 died. So even if we go to war anywhere this is the fine thanks they get.
Also worth a look is the World Privacy Forum report on the scoring of America as the whole world is watching the phenomena as we continue to secretly score individuals with proprietary math formulas and models and chew away at the middle class, again "The Grays" to where virtual numbers that may or may not have and relativity are allowing inequality to grow.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/04/world-privacy-forum-report-scorin...
This is a big reason everyone is so stupid today, putting way too much faith in non linear mathematical projections that simply are not true..the dark side of big data.
Good luck trying to compare Bundy to Koresh.
An assault against Bundy will change everything.
Koresh was a pedophile with a Jesus complex.
Bundy is a rancher who loves America.
Break out the "support the BLM troops" ribbons...
/end Sarcasm
Or as the astute commentator has offered; "Why not have a Support the Mall Killers bumper sticker", since that's what a lot of the "military" murdering in Afghantistan and Iraq amounts to in real terms.
They can sell their wars however they plan. It's been working that way for centuries. Maybe your "mall killers" were just upset because the store clerks wouldn't accept visa?
Another choice? Bundy just walks away with the family. Just walk and shut up not say a single word.
Good luck spinning that.
Did absolutely no one notice that this video was originally posted on YouTube on April 9th??? Why is this being posted as news?
Feds would be stupid to try and WACO the Bundy ranch. They don't have all the particpants and future particpants contained. There are only 50 guys there now. The Feds would get massacred by the returning militias. Then it would all really start. We'd all have to take sides. The Feds need to STFU and let this one alone. It isn;t worth it for taxes they have no right to collect and turtles. But hey, I am just a guy. I am not some dumbfk named Harry Reid.
Snipers? Well, what happens if we get around behind the snipers and take a position? What if the feds don't even know we are there? There is no "front" so to speak and we'd be coming from all over the country. We could be anywhere. Those Blackwater boys will get hurt. Blackwater did not do so well in Iraq or Afghanistan. You got paid in scrip to die for the state Blackwater boys. Good for you.
I thought you were my fellow countrymen. I guess not.
Armstrong seemed fairly credible when he was writing from a cell in the federal pen. Then he got out and he changed his tune in his public writings.
What I wonder is, what was the mechanism that got him out of the pen? Sentence expire, parole, pardon, I have not seen that published anywhere.
Makes one wonder just what, if anything, armstrong agreed to in order to get out and then start talking out of the other side of his mouth.
Reality check.....
Last time there was an FAA TFR or no fly zone....
Quick way to see if somethign is happenign at bundy ranch
If they launch a raid I'd expect a no fly zone to keep the news choppers from the area.
To check all TFR's for NV
http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr_map_ims/html/reg/scale3/tile_1_2.html
Note the odd boundary in the middle of NV is the FAA region boundary not the state line.
This is afterall an FAA map.
This thread is funny! The stand-off is over! The cowboys won!
The video is weeks old, yet it is passed off as today’s news.
United Nations Agenda 21 Century is here today and actively represented by the BLM. The Police State is also here today to enforce acceptance and compliance with phase 2 of a IMF debter nation.
Total corruption, is total control and the Bankster/Big Oil/ Military Complex corporate conglomerate has control.
Our nation on a cliff, pushed over the edge, was not an accident.
The cowboys won weeks ago- Basically, it was you put a scope on my head and tell me to build a coffin; I will put a scope on your head and tell you to “get” we are here for our cattle, we did not burn down your offices; you are the cow stealing trespasser. The Feds folded and indeed they did “get”. Ha. Ha.
Erick Holder and his mob of henchmen will be back and we will see what happens next, stay tuned, it is just a matter of time. Ha. Ha.
""Dude, you're a welfare rancher trying to pull off the world's largest cattle dine & dash.."
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ucrk7y/apocalypse-cow---welfare-rancher
Stuart nailed it.
If yer gonna argue law should apply to all - don't make up fake "special people". There are *real* special people out there - far more deserving of help than this poseur.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/tarrant/Widow-wants-answers-from-Fort-Wor...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guerena_shooting
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remot...
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/24/albuquerque_cops_assault_and_kill_campin...
How about helping this guy escape retribution:
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Man-Charged-With-Killing-Burleson-Cou...
Think that sheriff will let this rest?
Bundy has clearly identified himself as ignorant and dishonest. Does that mean that all of the people who are supporting him are ignorant and dishonest? Not necessarily. But they are certainly slow on perception. That includes Alex Jones and Mike Rivero.
Really want to believe in those oathkeepers. This episode leaves me shaken tho. It's easy to be floored when you see Bundy posted all over their website. This is a way to influence people?
This country desperately needs a group of people who play by the rules and can set an example. We really do.
My senator - the moron....
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-24/conservatives-open-thei...
the BLM has no legal jurisdiction based in the Constitution. only the sheriff does. the land belongs to nevada since it was never turned over to nevada at statehood, it was never given to or purchased by the federal government... under the Constitution all land is ceded to the stae at the time a territory becomes a state. inthe case of nevada the feds kept the land- illegally. the western sheriffs will stand up for the law... watch and see. they can deputize and neutralize the BLM or fed troops for that matter... and that's not racist...buckwheat