This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
NATO Allies "Unreassured" As US Destroyer Departs Black Sea
Just 2 weeks ago, the USS Donald Cook entered The Black Sea on a mission to "reassure NATO allies and Black Sea partners." So, one wonders what it is to be made of the fact that, as ITAR-TASS reports, the US warship USS Donald Cook with the Aegis missile defense system onboard has left the Black Sea, according to a Russian Defense Ministry source. This leaves only the USS Taylor on its mission of "peace and stability"... should NATO allies be un-reassured?
On the way in...
“The Donald Cook’s mission is to reassure NATO allies and Black Sea partners of America’s commitment to strengthen and improve interoperability while working towards mutual goals in the region,” Pentagon spokesman Army Col. Steven Warren said.
Quiet on the way out...
USS Donald Cook left the Black Sea on Thursday, passed through the straits and entered the Aegean Sea, the source said.
Two NATO warships remain in the Black Sea. French ship Dupuy de Lome and USS Taylor entered the sea on April 10 and April 22, respectively.
The US frigate is in the western part of the sea near the Romanian port of Constanta, and the French ship is in the Georgian port of Batumi.
The French destroyer Dupleix, earlier planned to enter the Black Sea on April 26-27, was not expected to arrive there at the time, the official said.
USS Taylor previously remained in the sea from February 5 to March 9, eleven days longer than the maximum period of 21 days set by the Montreux convention for presence of warships from other regions in the Black Sea. The overstay was officially explained by propeller repair.
We can only assume that this means mission accomplished for the US... or maybe they see where it's heading and prefer to be less exposed?
»
- 15004 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
2 destroyers would last about 5 minutes if the balloon went up
They can be assured they will still be IMF Biatches
I suspect that they had some major morale issues after that fly by. In fact i suspect that a bunch of PO 3's realized that they had their whole lives ahead of them, and they figured out what their real purpose was in the Black Sea. I wonder if things were starting to get mutinous.
Squid, there was a very interesting comment posted on another site the other day about that. Guy said that the Russkie jet actually neutralized 100% all the onboard American weapon systems as well as all the radar. Captain and the top Pentagon brass were all in shock.
Ship immediately headed into port where a number of personnel quit on the spot. I have no idea if any of this is true, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Go Putin!
It's tough to grasp the re- un- as they happen so often these days...
and now unre-?
Oh, brother.
"US warship USS Donald Cook with the Aegis missile defense system onboard has left the Black Sea, according to a Russian Defense Ministry source. This leaves only the USS Taylor on its mission of "peace and stability"... should NATO allies be un-reassured?"
The Cook actually had a functional SAM battery, and bothered the bear......best to pull that one quickly. The Taylor....meat on a stick. Putin's OK with that one, so she'll be around for a while. The Kenyan dares not goad the bear.....it's defenseless.
USS Taylor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry-class_frigate
"In mid-2000, the U.S.Navy removed the frigates' Mk 13 single-arm missile launchers and magazines because the primary missile, the Standard SM-1MR, became outmoded.[4] ...The "zone-defense" anti-aircraft warfare (AAW) capability has vanished, and all that remains is a "point-defense" type of AAW armament."
Apart from that story (true or not) international treaties for the Black Sea stipulate that warships of non-littoral states must not remain in the Black sea waters for more than 21 days. So for a permanent naval presence, the U.S. will have to rotate the ships there quite frequently.
If they have only 21 days why they waste so much time in a Romanian harbor?
I think you meant to say, a number of soldiers sought dishonorable discharge on the spot.
Doesn't sound quite so plausible when you use the right terms.
Why not send those 50.000 drones they're building to control the US servants to Russia and attack them with that?
It would be over pretty fast I think.
I wonder what those 600 troops will be doing.
Economically aiding the local community, especially the call girls.
The US soldiers should harry up ...... the call girls could be unaffordable when the US dollar does down the sewer.
well... history and stuff...
http://youtu.be/nLboEn1R5wk
......and one of the best scenes/lessons of Ia Drang totally lost on the DC crowd as evidenced by the actions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, XXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlVcduLh6ec
My brother's grave in Arlington is just to the left of the several soldier's headstones who were killed in the 'first' Ia Drang battle - he, a Marine, dying two weeks prior in Da Nang.
When I see/hear the epic lies/cowardice/destruction the creatures who direct the US government and their enablers have wrought and continue to wreak upon the people of this planet, I could just scream.
They only have the bandwidth to operate over USSA. Its an infrastructure thing - honest.
I don't see why they can't allocate some of the drones as infrastructure and others in the usual capacity. Is it really so hard to turn a drone into an access point and have them fly as a unit, or better yet, in a dual capacity role? That's not to say this type of mobile infrastructure is available, but it really should be if there's anybody left working for the man that has some wits about them.
I was of course joking there, but yes there are HALE drones with adhoc tactical comms network capability. As I understand it some recent manned aircraft, like the Superhornets can do it as well. And most new AEW aircraft can do it. Even some cruise weapons can act as a comms relay while in flight, passing back imagery and data from weapons that are going in ahead of them. Cheap and accurate BDA too.
i'd be very surpirsed to think the Russians don't have a very effective electronic system to render them useless
Don't worry, the French are still there.
LOL
this must be a putin demand, to remove a ship from black see
russian are in better position for demand right now
DEFENDERS OF OBAMA'S MAGINOT LINE!!
http://en.tracesofwar.com/upload/6820091009195037.JPG
:)
Memo from pissed off American to other NATO members:
Spend some Euros and get your own fuckin Navy. I don't give a shit about
your problems with Russia and whether you freeze your asses off next winter.
Otherwise, have a nice summer.
Europe's problems with Russia? Did I miss something? Now the US has nothing to do with this?
Where is the European leadership?
The Europeans had a deal with Russia / Ukraine.
FUCK THE EU. Does that ring a bell?
The EU leadership does not exist . Unless you are a zionist , your chance of getting to the top are very slim .
There is going to be an lection for the EU in May and there is potential for change . There ia also the potential for the destruction of NATO . I know that the German Industry has 100 billions od trade with Russia and the Italian Industry trade is about 50 billions . There is going to be strong resistance against any sancions against Russia .
Today in Italy the government celebrates the " liberations " from fascism . We are still an occupied country with numerous US Bases . We are in fact a colony of the USA . The reality is that we have been liberated from a band of crooks to fall under the spell of another bank of criminals worse than the old one .
The EU leadership does not exist . Unless you are a zionist , your chance of getting to the top are very slim .
There is going to be an lection for the EU in May and there is potential for change . There ia also the potential for the destruction of NATO . I know that the German Industry has 100 billions od trade with Russia and the Italian Industry trade is about 50 billions . There is going to be strong resistance against any sancions against Russia .
Today in Italy the government celebrates the " liberations " from fascism . We are still an occupied country with numerous US Bases . We are in fact a colony of the USA . The reality is that we have been liberated from a band of crooks to fall under the spell of another bank of criminals worse than the old one .
yeah... thank god there's no US submarines over there with rockettoys...
Black sea is a bathtub, the Russians know exactly where those subs are and how to take care of them.
I read an article that claimed Russian SU 24 flew over Donald Cook repeatedly as close range with no war heads and jammed the Aegis system completely, that nothing was on any screens anywhere and completely freaked out the crew. I will look for the link, could be bullshit of course but I wouldn't count Russia out at having some big new tricks up their sleeves.
I remember reading that article. Thought it was bullshit until this story popped up. Maybe something did happen. Who knows maybe the Ruskies did jam Aegis.
Lockheed Martin needs another blank check to upgrade.
If that story is true - that would mean that Putin thinks that this move, right now, is serious enough to tip us off to a serious stratigic advantage. That would tell us all something pretty important.
Personally, I'm still doubting the story for now - but this news does give me pause. . .
Good connecting of some dots, Citix. I believe this story to be true and the coming days/weeks should show some indication of same. The DoD will want to examine that ship for any forensics as to how the jamming may have occurred. If the US military was just shown that their vaunted electronic systems are now essentially jack shit ... well, that is one crap in the pants moment.
It's a radar and radars get jammed. Jammers can be burned-through, it's the burn-through range that matters. In combat no Russian jet is going to get anywhere near a DDG to use a jammer effectively against it to limit burn-through range much. Jammer energy reduces with the square of radial distance. More than likely the Russians would use directed-energy beam from an AESA radar panel array to both track the location and flood the AEGIS panels with concentrated noise.
That's a typical electronic attack tactic that Western AESA radars on both fighters and AEW and AEGIS can also use to dazzle the sensors, antennas and seekers of an opponent.
The US has also been doing a lot of research in recent years on combined multimode seekers (combined active and passive radar and also IR sensors) for just that reason, to prevent an opponent dazzling effectively. It's why these ships also have electro-optical seekers as well. The opponent has to dazzle at all the right frequencies to negate both the ship and the missile's seekers.
So the Russians don't really know what they'd face with these ships, it's extremely likely the US systems have had this covered for years as every missile on them has had numerous versions and block upgrades for this reason.
I give no credence to those reports, it's all raw propaganda.
The Black Sea is a bathtub. That is why no serious naval force puts significant assets in those waters. What do the Russians have there? Nothing to speak of...
"Black sea is a bathtub"
Truk Lagoon II
Maybe they'll just sail out for few days to come back for another 21 days to stay within the limits?
Or paint a new name on the bow in Istanbull and return in a few hours?
But what amazes me more is that America is following up on a convention threathy... When did that suddenly start to happen?
Treaties are honored by nations that are not in a position of overwhelming strength.
.... and the US is slipping ... fast.
I have seen this in a documentary before.....I think it was called "threads"
Lets hope those ships don't have any "accidents"
Yeah, its bloody amazing how in a huge ocean with the latest satelite communication and detection equipment that can tell if a fly farts 200metres of the bow they manage to either run into each other or have near misses.
Threads was a 1980s docu-drama produced by the BBC about the aftermath of a nuclear exchange. You can watch the whole thing on Youtube. It was way more scary than The Day After.
Come on Obama. Get up there for a "Mission Accomplished" photo op like your predessor.
Bring your Nobel.
I just thought they may rename the ship the Donald Duck.
Since Russia jammed the Aegis rendering it completely inoperable, it is probably best the U.S. got the hell out of dodge. That boat was a sitting duck.
That was bullshit propaganda.
Yeah....there's a lot of that going around.
http://news.msn.com/world/russian-jet-passes-near-us-warship
In the first public account of the incident, the officials said the Russian Fencer made 12 passes, and flew within 1,000 yards (900 meters) of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet (150 meters) above sea level.
Russian Su -24 scores off against the American "USS Donald Cook"
Read more: http://indian.ruvr.ru/2014_04_21/Russian-Su-24-scores-off-against-the-American-USS-Donald-Cook-5786/
Anyone got the link to that article? I can't find it again.
Read more: http://indian.ruvr.ru/2014_04_21/Russian-Su-24-scores-off-against-the-American-USS-Donald-Cook-5786/
Thanks for the link. The sudden departure of the Donald Cook does make one wonder if this story is indeed true.
Looks like Putin's got a US rook pinned.
Right, the USS Taylor is still there having its propeller repaired. This is the ship that ran aground....and whose skipper has been relieved of duty, right???
Does anyone have any legit word on the supposed "resignations" that allegedly ocurred on this ship following the Russian fighter simulating no less than twelve attack patterns on it while the Aegis was down (also allegedly by an Airborne version of the Khibiby ECM system pioneered for shielding Russkie SAMs from AWACS and our EW birds?)
Would love to hear what really happened and not some propoganda bs
The only source for this "report" is a Russian official from Moscow. It's bullshit propaganda.
Yes, because the US military and the pentagon don't waste money on useless crap. Remember, these are the same assholes who buy $100 hammers, $300 toilette seats, and $16 muffins. How's the F-35 working out? Maybe we need to buy more LCS (Littoral Combat Ships).
Listen, the Pentagon & The Navy just spend $15B on 1 new carrier. And my guess is the Ruskies can probably park this thing right beside the Titanic for about 100 bucks.
That false sense of security being sold by the Pentagon to the American people will eventually rear its ugly head.
Some people will believe anything.
Claim: U.S. Aegis Radar System Rendered "Useless" By Russian Plane in Black Sea Skirmish (April 22, 2014)
Forum Pakistan Defence:
Russian Su -24 scores off against the American USS Donald Cook
If true, this is likely why.
Vlad just tested his new chicken fryer.
I don't know about NATO, but I've been unreassured about anything this country has done over the last few years.
Edit: Off topic, but what the hell is gold doing back above $1300? Get to work Mr. robot and knock that shit back down.
Blue pill, doc, Blue pill.
You gotta remember to keep takin' your meds, man.
Mighty AEGIS running home to Omumma with tail between her legs??? I gues that lonely Russian plane scared the crap out of 'em...
.... perhaps but Assuming there was any electronic countermeasures being tested against Aegis platforms as had been rumored the first order of buisness is data collection and counter measure being developed for the counter measures - or perhaps as with Syria the US military is just getting fed the fuck up with the political Parisites writing checks thier asses have to cover......... the DC crowd is the one country on the planet that is most deserving of a coup - Actually it wouldn't even be a coup really, the US Armed Service could easily be forgiven for taking out the entirety of the Diebold regime by simply honoring thier oath to the US constitution........ Fight the real enemy within.
Stars and Stripes (April 14, 2014)
Pentagon: Russian fighter flies provocatively close to USS Donald Cook
Times like this it's worth remembering the old joke, Q: What's the airforce term for a ship? A: a large, slow-moving target.
...with surface-to-air missiles.
One of my favorite old jokes.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5onkl2EHV4
While the Army Air Corps relies upon stationary Airfields and Silos...
In the Navy, our Aircraft launching Carriers ARE a Combat Platform – seen operating in Combat Zones without 6 Months' Setup with Hundreds of Thousands of Ground Troops acting as a Buffer for your Flyboys.
American destroyer leaves the Black Sea.
Cue more wailing from the Kiev Mafia
"REMEMBER THE TAYLOR!!!!!!!"
Too early???
"US warship USS Donald Cook with the Aegis missile defense system onboard has left the Black Sea"
Good.
I think the US wins the bullshit wars hands down, so I wonder if there is something to this.
I think people who've never worked on EW systems should keep their uninformed mouths shut and keep their speculation to themselves. I've already fucking nuked this pathetic rumor from orbit in a previous article... the fact that people keep bringing this up tells me there's no end to lies and stupidity in this world.
Not saying it's true. Probalby isn't.
But you didn't nuke any rumour. Obviously, if there were a technology discovered to do what was rumoured, it obviously wouldn't be using existing technology and ideas, since obviously the developers of Aegis would install and implement all countermeasures they could fathom while designing it.
That's the whole point of new technology is that something comes along that no one else thought of. Unless you have a monopoloy on knowing everything you didn't nuke anything.
It's complete bullshit. The report has as much credibility as Baghdad Bob.
probably. but arguing about this with conventional ideas is almost as bad. Of course, this propaganda is little different than the arguments americans bring up about super secret weapons the US has that are decades ahead of everyone else, but super secret.
As if the US would be the only one trying to develop these weapons.
Even in the weakest, poorest, most ass backwards countries, geniuses are born with the ability to make breakthroughs.
Either the US does R&D super secret weapons and defences that few know about, and the Russians do the exact same thing, or they both don't. The US does not have a monopoly on secret weapons developement, or on intelligence. They do spend the most, but that doesn't automatically mean they will develop the best. Just ask start up companies with pennies compared to giant companies with billions.
I have no idea who has the best weapons....because they are top secret.
You can't argue conventional, knowns, when dealing with unconventional unknown.
A lot of people on this site will believe anything so long as it's anti-American.
Define "Anti American". This assumes we accept the zionest neocon warmongering government in Washington, and that their claim to be American is something we accept.
Amateur hour once again as John Kerry blasts RT Network as Russian "propoganda bullhorn." This is all the Secretary of State has in his quiver? Putin must be defunding RT because they have been outed. Sheesh.
link
This is getting silly. Will they move another ship in next week? Should anyone care when that happens?
The intelligent response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNpyia78Wlg
This is essentially the best the NATO fleet can do, unless NATO calls the treaty in suspense based on the changes in the treaty conditions. But, would the US want two missile DDs trapped in there? Rearming a can is a lousy evolution at sea.
There is a US carrier in the Med capable of effectively closing the black sea airspace. The Russians know this... but hates the appearance of having lost control of the air space on its eastern border with Ukraine. This is a serious provocation and Russia will have to do something.
Heads up on something for this week end: 1. acceptance of its loss of control and further negotiations, or,2. refusal to accept the close and MAKE a strike on eastern Ukraine. Ugly but .... Vald is sensitive to such loss of face in his power game. Berry does not know what is going on in the stand-off. Kerry probably does not want to be seen ".......causing an incident in the Med." He already as three incidents in the far east so far. Kerry is the #2 clutz in the cabinate. But I am betting Obama will cause a problem this weekend.
wing from a carrier can close airspace above Black Sea. One wing? With the Crimea under Russian control? And the same wing can achieve air superiority on Eastern & Southern border of the Ukraine? Deep inland?
Sure thing, pal, sure thing. I can only hope those Hornets don't start poundin' the Moscow region.
The destroyer showed up to convince the Russians to cool their aggression. That failed.
Now the destroyer is departing and the NATO gloves are about to come off. Bear hunting season is about to commence.
You *do not* want to be a bear in these woods.
Bear hunting?
Is that what Napoleon and Hitler called it?
You might want to redirect that historical reference to the Kremlin Princess. It would be the Russian military invading Ukraine and failing to learn from the lesson of Napoleon. Meanwhile, all those Russian ships and aircraft will be scrap metal long before the winter freeze.
http://indian.ruvr.ru/2014_04_21/Russian-Su-24-scores-off-against-the-Am...
Donald had his parts fried by the Fencer. Off to replace electronics?