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Pro-Russian Forces "Parade" OSCE Hostages On TV As Ukraine Air-Force In "Full Operational Readiness" & EU Preps Sanctions 2.0
The Ukrainian defense ministry has issued a statement confirming that Ukraine's air-defense forces have been placed in "operation readiness" in the nation's southern regions. This comes on the heels of the pro-Russian separatists taking OSCE observers hostage - and later "parading" them on local TV (where they explained they were not being treated badly). In another odd twist, pro-Russian forces (wearing British militrary fatigues) have taken over the region's TV station based in Donetsk. Twitter rumors suggest there has been a full military mobilization in Kharkiv - yet to be confirmed; but Germany's deputy forign minister Erler confirmed the EU is set to widen "stage-two" sanctions against Russia tomorrow and may discuss further sanctions later in the week.
Ukraine Air-Defense Forces Being Readied...
Ukraine air-defense forces have been placed in “operational readiness” in the country’s southern regions, Defense Ministry says in statement.
- *UKRAINE AIR-DEFENSE FORCES IN `OPERATIONAL READINESS' IN SOUTH
And as The BBC reports, Pro-Russian gunmen in eastern Ukraine have shown seized European military observers to the media, amid attempts to secure their immediate release.
One of the observers presented in the city of Sloviansk said that none of the group had been harmed.
A team from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) is hoping to begin negotiations.
The gunmen continue to occupy official buildings in a dozen eastern cities, defying the government in Kiev.
As WaPo reports,
"We wish from the bottom of our hearts to go back to our nations as soon and as quickly as possible," one of the observers, German Col. Axel Schneider, said at a news conference arranged by his captors.
Schneider said the men had "not been touched" and were in good health, but he gave no indication of when they might be freed.
But in another twists, The BBC notes, separatists in Donetsk seized control of the regional television and radio headquarters, demanding that broadcasts by Russian state channels be switched back on, in place of Ukrainian-language services.
Wearing British Military clothes....
Donetsk TV centre taken over by pro-Russians...wearing British army camouflage. This is getting confusing. #ukraine pic.twitter.com/ufrcfyOeFn
— Emma Wells (@Emmawells1) April 27, 2014
In a separate development on Sunday, pro-Russian gunmen said they had captured three Ukrainian security services members overnight in eastern Ukraine. Kiev later confirmed a number of its officers had been seized.
Reuters reports that the Russian-backed separatists are saying that they would release the OSCE observers who were kidnapped yesterday if Kiev agreed to release several political figures who are currently in prison on accusations of fostering separatism:
Asked about a prisoner exchange, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, de facto mayor of Slaviansk, told reporters: "The Kiev junta has our fellows and comrades therefore, if there is a possibility, we are ready for an exchange."
"They (members of the observer mission) are in alright condition. One of the soldiers suffers from diabetes, but it is not a serious condition, he is on tablets. There is medicine there is food," said Ponomaryov.
"They were soldiers on our territory without our permission, of course they are prisoners," he said. "We won't know what to do until we determine who they are, what kind of activities, for what purpose they came here."
And Europe is stepping up its sanctions...
- *EU SET TO WIDEN STAGE-TWO RUSSIA SANCTIONS TOMORROW, ERLER SAYS
- *EU MAY DISCUSS RUSSIA ECONOMIC SANCTIONS THIS WEEK, ERLER SAYS
As Bloomberg reports,
“I have the impression” that European Union will extend visa bans and asset freezes to “maybe another 15 people” over Russia’s actions in Ukraine, German Deputy Foreign Minister Gernot Erler says.
“Quite possible” that EU will also discuss “entering third stage,” meaning economic sanctions against Russia, this week: Erler in ZDF television interview.
Doesn’t name potential sanctions targets
EU would first have to agree on which economic sanctions to apply: Erler
“Concerned about developments because we actually don’t know what the Russians want”: Erler
...
“We are now taking the stage-two sanctions to the limit and will be strengthening them another notch tomorrow,” Elmar Brok, European Parliament member from German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union, says in ZDF television interview. “If that doesn’t work, we’ll have to move to economic sanctions during the week ahead.”
“I don’t think” that Merkel sees it differently: Brok on ZDF
Well that just about sums it all up - prepare 2nd round of sanctions, readying 3rd but have no real idea what it will do...
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Perhaps Col. Schneider should have stayed in his own country to begin with.
Gernot Erler is not German Deputy Foreign Minister. He was till 2009.
As I said NOTHING should be believed at face value
War Propaganda over-drivel!!!
ori
isn't all media nowadys?
Re: "imprisoned on accusations of FOSTERING SEPARATISM"
What the heck is wrong with fostering separatism? It's a wonder more of the EU doesn't want out from under the debt traffickers.
"Ukraine Air-Force in "Full Operational Readiness""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
38 fighters
47 fixed-wing ground attack aircraft
Best of luck. Don't be waiting for the Kenyan to honor that 'Security Guarantee'.
I wouldn't trust Ukrainian Air Force Inventory counts. Even if they existed, I'll bet the fuel is stolen, cash collected and already sent overseas. They would be lucky if they had pterodactyls flintstone style to drop rocks.
As for the Kenyan, who cares what he says or does, just pay attention to the teleprompter.
Two days ago Ukrainian Air Force ground crews managed to blow up one of their own helos in the course of arming it.
I doubt the Ukrainian Air Farce could get more than 10% of their listed strength into the air on any given day. Maintaining any continued sortie rate would be beyond them.
The pterodactyls in their inventory have been eaten for Sunday supper in the Officer's mess.
The REMFs are boiling the flintstone rocks to make soup.
Give them a break. They just got that equipment for the first time from the US as non-lethal aid. They only had about a day to train on it.
It's called non lethal aid because none of the stuff donated to the Ukraine works. By giving to the Ukies, a number of problems are solved:
1. We get to dump it in the Ukraine for free.
2. We write off useless junk and can now dictate to Congress our overarching need to replenish inventories.
3. We get to look good without doing anything real.
When discussing the "nuclear option", Carl Sagan (Cosmos) had the most realistic view.
He said, imagine two men in an elevator, knee deep in gasoline, both threatening who had the most matches.
Are you just stupid, or did you read what you wrote before posting....
Ukranian Army launched recon's that were shot down by RPG's. Trails and photos of the damage identified the warheads & launchers as Russian RPG-18 and RPG-29 systems. Those launchers are not even in the UKR arsenal which uses much older export systems, many of which do not have the precision to bring down the birds.
The British uniforms are olive drabs from Gulf War, and were prob. purchased as surplus in FSU states because the milita members had to quickly swap uniforms. I suspect those are not daily wear but props because of the missing belts, loops and other dongles which would come with those uniforms if they were issued from a UK/NATO Armory. I bet since the Spetnaz have been identified as being on the ground in Donets, the uniforms were dress downs; which also makes sense if you actually knew how uni's are fitted, and the guy on the left looks pretty loose. Second, if you look at their rifles, they are using AK-74s's which are used by Russian forces only, and are not for export. As such, anyone who is not an Alex Jones wingnut can clearly tell what is going on.
If Ukraine goes to war, they know it will be a charge of the "light brigade". Airpower will be shredded, as will most large cav. formations, so given the Sat recon anyone can purchase for 50 bux, a reasonable plan is that UKR will mount a quick offensive followed by a staged retreat/breakdown into skirmish squads while Putin tries to pull a "shock and awe". Funny that nobody in the "alt" media is making any mention of the Russians confirming that irregular forces have kidnapped from Ukranian camps 9 UKR officers. Which in itself is a war crime/act of war.
I'm certain Putin's new push for a war has nothing to do with the Russian official opposition's claims they have linked Putin to the graft at Sochi, where 50+ billion USD was stolen from the OIC, the 31 billion blackhole in the Russian military upgrade program launched in 2011, and the Chechen apartment bombings which swept him to power in the first place. I wonder if that graft is just the tip of a Vodka soaked iceburg, if this has anything related to why the Russian economy only intends to grow by 0.5% by 2016.
I wonder at which point of customs/rule violations will the wingnuts finally accept that Putina is not the white saviour the goldbugs were hoping could defeat the ZOG-backed USSA and lead them to the goldbug promised land.
One more thing: Non-reg observer forces are not a part of NATO, and are listed as official observers for warcrime and agression noting. If NATO can confirm that Russian backed or Russian irregular troops have taken hostage the Observers, then Putin waives all rights to Geneva accord and directly goes to "warcriminal" square on The Game board. At which case, no amount of RT/FSB propaganda can spin Putin out of a direct tribunal.
Thank you for the next iteration of the Nuland/Nudelman/ NeoCon talking points. It saves me the stomach turning disgust of watching CNBC to predict the BS to be printed/spewed by the mainstream whore media.
Nobody but retail posers watch CNBC. So, do you have anything Intelligent to add ?
If you can't see facts and a fight club brother pointing them out for your technically ignorant ass, then keep on sipping on the ZOG fantasy kool aid. Got nothing more to say on this. Enjoy the dip at the Japan bell.
It's interesting how much one side is a mirror of the other. I'm reminded of the invoice scandals and disappearing billions reported in Iraq and Afghanistan.
RPG's, LOOK HERE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-29
and : http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%9F%D0%93-18
AK-74M : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-74
Claun...
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Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe sounds like a spy ring to me. Espionage cannot be tolerated.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/04/ukraine-media-obfuscate-about-osce-...
"...the vice president of the OSCE crisis prevention center Claus Neukirch ... points out several times that the military observers caught in eastern Ukraine are acting under a bilateral (German-Ukrainian) deal within the framework of a document which was once signed during OSCE consultations. Neither the paper nor the missions under it are, Neukirch says, within the official OSCE framework. The OSCE does have 150 strong civilian mission in Ukraine which is neutral in its position and is trying to locally intermediate between waring sides. Neukirch also says that the official civilian OSCE mission is not involved in any negotiations about the caught bilateral military mission. That mission's fate is a problem for Germany and Ukraine to solve."
I spy with my little eye...WESTERN INTELLIGENCE OPERATIVES!
https://twitter.com/OSCE/status/459747578297716736
"1/4 Comms with military observers in Donetsk region lost.Team not OSCE monitors but sent by States under Vienna Doc on military transparency"
"2/4 All members of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission and OSCE/ODIHR election observers are safe and accounted for"
"3/4 Military verification team - led by Germans – and composed of 8 members – 4 Germans, 1 Czech, 1 Danish, 1 Polish, 1 Swedish"
"4/4 Military verification team sent following invitation from Ukraine under terms of Vienna Document 2011"
You just can't keep a secret anymore with this whole internet thingamabob.
my bold emphasis.
http://euobserver.com/foreign/122934
The above quoted and linked article is 31 jan 2014. Erler has been for some time involved with negotiations with Russia, read whole article.
Next they'll arrest Nigel Farage in the EU
No worries, Nigel will just talk them to death...
My people, who founded Ukraine and became known as the Rus, want our land back. No, we aren't talking about Russia - they do not have a legitimate claim. They are but offspring of our forefathers loins.
Return Ukraine to Denmark, Norway, and Sweden and nobody gets hurt.
Who's on first?
Gettin' close to takin' this to bloody fast..................shouldn't be very long
Erler is just a simple SPD nonvaleur who is telling nonsense in the interview made by Berlin direkt tonight. Better keeping calm.
http://www.europeanleadershipnetwork.org/gernot-erler_307.html
Gernot ErlerGERMANY
Special coordinator for Russia policy
Gernot Erler is a German politician and member of the Social Democratic Party (SPD) and Germany's special coordinator for Russia policy.
He has been a member of the Bundestag for Freiburg since 1987. From 2005 until 2009 he served as the Minister of State in the Federal Foreign Office. Prior to this, he was Chairman of the Disarmament and Arms Control Committee from 1994 until 1998. From 1998 until 2005, he served as Deputy Chairman of the SPD parliamentary group in the Bundestag, responsible for foreign, defence, development policy and human rights. He was reappointed to this post in 2009.
Mr Erler is a member of the Executive Board for the European Leadership Network (ELN).
Putin/Paul ticket 2016
Come on, you know you'd love to see that day cause it would mean the neocons, dems, and 99% of congress is in prison or Hades.
Nothing except verifiable facts can or should be believed!
Who is doing the "verifying" ?
Ronald Reagan
Col. schneider is looking for a promotion and raise, and needs a war to make it so.
Pray for the day Obama, Holder, and every last memver of CONgress is "paraded" in handcuffs for the TV cameras.
Obama, Hillary ,Holder
For Prison 2016
Yes we Can!
Brilliant Peter....great laugh!
For a huge, stress reliveing laugh, try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF4qii8S3gw
A surprise....
ori
The only good politician is dead politian.
Isn't this similar to what the US did to Japan during WWII, resulting in Japan's getting boxed into a corner and then fighting its way out by bombing Pearl Harbor?
Something tells me that an EMP over the US or other event will be the equivalent this time around.
The US cut off oil to Japan for it's invasion of eastern China.
Yeah sure.Eight years late.
That's right. They had to soften up the nationalists for the arrival of the Bolshevik/Wall Street created Mao.
Exactly so.
Forced them to take what the US refused to sell.Oil,steel,rubber.
Pearl was just to clear the way to invade those producers.
Right, but, to my knowledge, we hadn't been in there agitating Japan to invade shit and be imperialist. In this case, we were in Ukraine trying to set up a puppet government. Whether the civil unrest would have happened without our meddling is debatable, as I think it would have been difficult for our current batch of morons to actually push the country over the edge unless it was already close. Even if it would have happened anyway, we were still in there trying to control it by pouring money into the protesters and handing out fucking cookies to Ukrainians. Russians are culturally paranoid about foreign powers on their front doorstep, and how Russia is going to react, at least in very broad terms, is predictable. Especially when you throw some Right Sektor and Svoboda Party fascists into the mix. They're going to say "Not only NO, but FUCK NO!" And I'm not accusing Russia of being the good guy here, just that we have put them into the position where they get to play the good guy, and Putin was smart enough to jump feet first into the role.
(Who the fuck plays at dirty geopolitics by handing out fucking cookies anyway? It's bizarro world.)
WRONG!
Japan has had no sovereignty since Perry. Wake the fuck up!
I think you are very correct but the paranoia goes both way. Ukrainians have millions of dead reasons to fear things that come from Russia. If only everyone would just stay out and let them run their own country, or countries, as the case may be.
Yes, I'm sure that Holodomor sits back in many of their minds. But, we either stirred up a hornet's nest or were one of several that stirred it up, and events are set in motion. Russia isn't going to back down, and our incompetent idiots have gone insane. I don't see any nice course of events in Ukraine's future. It's a shame, really.
I was hoping for an Abu Ghraib style butt pyramid.
Wait. Are you talking about Obama, Hillary Holder?
I bet Hillary looks like Kalid Sheik Mohammed in the morning without makeup. I don't want to see an ass pyramid of that.
These "hostages" are not from the OSCE. They are independent observers invited in by Kiev under a 2011 agreement.
http://www.osce.org/ukrainemonitoring
:Comms with military observers in Donetsk region lost.Team not OSCE monitors but sent by States under Vienna Doc on military transparency:
:Military verification team - led by Germans – and composed of 8 members – 4 Germans, 1 Czech, 1 Danish, 1 Polish, 1 Swedish:
:Military verification team sent following invitation from Ukraine under terms of Vienna Document 2011:
"4 Germans, 1 Czech, 1 Danish, 1 Polish, 1 Swedish"
In other words, they are officially sanctioned NATO SPIES...
unfortunately these so-called observers are invited by the self-installed junta in Kiev to monitor [read: spy] the eastern side... these spies need to be treated as spies!
It appears that the OSCE observers are with NATO intelligece. They were reportedly found in possession of maps marked with the positions of local checkpoints and defensive positions, as well as ammunition and explosive cartridges.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/detained-osce-monitors-in-eastern-ukraine-t...
The Saker has an interesting perspective on the three captured SBU (Ukrainian special forces) officers.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/04/ukrainian-special-forces-team-...
The RT article below has more about both.
http://rt.com/news/155136-agents-captured-donetsk-ukraine/
RT. ALso known as Putin's department of disinformation.
HELLO? The guy is KGB!
RT. ALso known as Putin's department of disinformation.
HELLO? The guy is KGB!
How amazing that the junta that has existed since 2014 was able to pull of that 2011 agreement...
Mushroom clouds are bullish
I don't see ant issues here that would in any way justify that type of escalation and response.
Millions went into the streets pre-Iraq War and it made no difference. Maybe we need to multiply that response now though, again, I don't know what real affect it would have.
Insane brinksmanship... if it's not just for show.
The problem is that there haven't been any real consequences for those who make the decisions when the people are against what they're deciding. The appointed officials are insulated from the people and indeed are often insulated from the law, and people tend to think "Oh, it's everybody else's congress critter that's bad. Mine is fine."
That's how you turn a republic into an oligarchy with a democratic front-screen - just kill accountability and make it impossible for the electorate to recall their representatives.
It's all downhill from there...
I'm not a fan of any of my congress critters. Tom Udall supports our meddling in Ukraine, Martin Heinrich only gives a shit about being a Senator and once sent an email out stating that there was a lot of Youtube evidence that Assad had gassed his own people and that there was also some classified evidence that we'd just have to trust him was there, and that we should bomb Syria. Michelle Lujan-Grisham, as far as I can tell, just sits there like a bump on a log and votes party line. Not that party line matters, either side winning means that We The People lose.
Back when Heinrich was a representative, and when my eyes were only half way open, I had an appointment with one of his aides. I drove all the way across Albuquerque, and the bitch stood me up because she was schmoozing people richer than me. That tells you all you need to know. But put him in a commercial with a hunting rifle wearing blaze orange, and the sheep will vote for him. Fuck'em all.
Next time you make an appointment tell 'em you're hand carrying a check for them.
And let them know your cheque has ten zeros in it.
That should clinch the meeting.
Who cares about meetings, just start voting every incumbent scumbag out of office, beginning in November 2014...
It is adorable that you think voting matters.
You vote. They count. See any challenges to your mission here?
Like I say, that was when my eyes were only half way open. Now I fully realize that expecting to get anything good done through congress is an exercise in futility. Oh, I like giving them an earful just so that they can be continually reminded that people are getting pissed off, but I don't expect them to actually do anything intelligent, ethical and useful.
Yes...unfortunately this is the cause of many problems.
Smilin, -- hey, I just dropped the best of you in the barnyard. Splat!
Well the Russians haven't captured Loyd Blankfein or Jamie Dimon nor a single Rockefeller or Rothschild yet so it is not serious.
BTFD
I got it.
Capturing hostages and killing local deputy and protesters not considered as a serious crime for pro-russian forces.
War is Peace
Don't you get it?
Got any proof about who murdered that local deputy? Drinking the State Department /CNN KoolAid?
The video I saw of a police chief getting his throat cut in front of his wife was not pro Russian forces doing the killing.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d08_1397763033
Even if foreign powers were to stay out, Ukraine has the potential to turn very, very ugly.
They don't show you that on the MSM. Commentors though say it is fake.
Commenters also said that One Psycho One Ice Pick was fake. Until the body parts started showing up in the mail at various places. Seriously though, how many people have experience even butchering animals (much less people) to know what it looks like when something dies?
Ex-head of police - if missing or found dead is a huge news story. Especially for RT or other Kremlin sources.
I cant proove now, but seems like video is fake in sence of who by whom and when killed.
Few words murders are saying - they pronounce in Russian without any Ukranian accent.
Once again - investigation is needed, but I doubt that video show exactly what description says.
I seen it was claimed that on video ex-chief of the police in Donetzk, I dont see any news about him or his family being missed or killed, hopefully they are still alive.
Ex-head of police - if missing or found dead is a huge news story. Especially for RT or other Kremlin sources.
I cant proove now, but seems like video is fake in sence of who by whom and when killed.
Few words murders are saying - they pronounce in Russian without any Ukranian accent.
Once again - investigation is needed, but I doubt that video show exactly what description says.
I seen it was claimed that on video ex-chief of the police in Donetzk, I dont see any news about him or his family being missed or killed, hopefully they are still alive.
The police chief offed in front of his wife had reportedly failed to toe the Party line being advanced by Kiev. He made himself disposable.
That the killers made a video and then publicly distributed it appears to be an attempt at intimidation. I guess if you were a lowly grunt in that force and saw that Kiev offed your boss for his failure to comply with putschist directives it might make you hesitatant to enforce the law.
Standard Nazi tactics, right out of the SS playbook...
How that evil crime can help you approve recently killed people in the Slavyansk?
Moreover, video seems like a fake, in sense of who when and whom killed.
I goggled for this allegedly victim is: Ex-head of police in Donetzk Kostyantyn Pozhydayev.
Nothing tells about his death in Ukranian/Russian news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP4Drl6KBdc
Published on Apr 18, 2014
Ukrainian fascists from Right Sector party killing ex-head of Donetsk police in front of his wife for non protecting anti-Russian rallies in Donetsk from raged pro-Russian city citizents
This is the police chief Kostyantyn Pozhydayev
Hey, gov stooge. Got more disinformation to spread?
Got any smack to talk about Putin eating Jewish baby hearts? Just curious.
You say the video is faked.
Got anything to backup that claim?
100 million Russians killed by Jew Bolsheviks. When is Spielberg making a movie about that?
Stalin was Jewish...?
Yes, in fact he was a crypto Jew....and for those with eye's who know how to see...
http://www.antiquarius.com/shop_image/product/046148_6926dd9d542f30385a5...
At first you should mention that mostly Russians put Bolsheviks government to rule, no matter what Bolsheviks wanted, without huge support of majority they wouldnt win huge bloody wars.
Then Russians helped to expand Bolsheviks rule over Ukrain, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Georgia and many other post soviet parts.
Not to discount Bolsheviks atrocities, "100 million Russians killed" is quite inaccurate. Even if you include Revolution and civil war, WWI, WWII and all death from artificial famine and count all ethnicities, not just Russian, I think it will be twice less than that.
Mainly etnicity of Bolsheviks is proportional to the nations present in Russian Empire territory, number of jewish Bolsheviks represents their presence in the society.
This post is incoherent and not really consistent with the ones above. Did you have a shift change at the Homeland Security Disinformation Center?
At first you should mention that mostly Russians put Bolsheviks government to rule, no matter what Bolsheviks wanted, without huge support of majority they wouldnt win huge bloody wars.
Then Russians helped to expand Bolsheviks rule over Ukrain, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Georgia and many other post soviet parts.
Not to discount Bolsheviks atrocities, "100 million Russians killed" is quite inaccurate. Even if you include Revolution and civil war, WWI, WWII and all death from artificial famine and count all ethnicities, not just Russian, I think it will be twice less than that.
Mainly etnicity of Bolsheviks is proportional to the nations present in Russian Empire territory, number of jewish Bolsheviks represents their presence in the society.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc....crimes? what crimes? I don't understand...do you?
They seem so prepared, politically active, organized, and militarily aligned.
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must be pissed bitchez
I think you can buy an A-10 warthog on Ebay for like $5,000
Yeah, but they probably won't sell you the ammunition.
Try making your own DU ammo for one of those babies!
oblig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBkQ4LN_7U&list=PL8C37447F5C26EE55
Boyz and their toyz...
Hey, you forgot to mention that according to Russian media "Kiev is prepared to completely wipe-out Slavyansk"
http://www.mk.ru/politics/2014/04/26/shokiruyuschie-snimki-kiev-gotovits...
The perilous face-off intensified Saturday when Russian state news complained that Ukraine had mobilized 15,000 troops in the suburbs of Slavyansk in eastern Ukraine "in order to wipe out the city and its residents."
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/27/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html...
Brad, sorry to say that you are pissing into the wind on this board, too many pro putins.
Media has a big part to play and as Russian media is beamed into Eastern Ukraine its
not quite impartial a bit like RT, therefore the local ethnic Ruskies think they are going to be killed
by the 'revolutionary' overthrow government. I think Ukraine just wants its country back. If the ethnic Russians
in eastern Ukraine dont want to be a part of Ukraine they should fuck off to Crimea. Now that would be a comprimise
all could live with.
Agreed Mr. U, many of the ethnic Russians came in much like Carpet-baggers, looking to take what they wanted.
But, there's plenty of blame on both sides of this conflict, and I can fully understand Putin's dislike of the way the West has treated Russia. Pathetic at best..., I want to puke every time I hear some Washington lowlife expound on how we won the cold war, as if they understood any of it. Fishing for votes, I guess. Useless craps they are, most of them.
One should read Neil Clark
Who are the Puppet Masters? by Neil Clark
Neil Clark reflects on the mindboggling hypocrisy and double standards of the US and its NATO puppet states. Why are these superbullies so intent on nation wrecking and chaos creation all over the world? Can it be because they seek world domination under a small, secretive elite of Puppet Masters? (LD)
I’m confused.
A few weeks ago we were told in the West that people occupying government buildings in Ukraine was a very good thing. These people, we were told by our political leaders and elite media commentators, were “pro-democracy protestors”.
The US government warned the Ukrainian authorities against using force against these ‘pro-democracy protestors’ even if, according to the pictures we saw, some of them were neo-Nazis who were throwing Molotov cocktails and other things at the police and smashing up statues and setting fire to buildings.
Now, just a few weeks later, we’re told that people occupying government buildings in Ukraine are not ‘pro-democracy protestors’ but ‘terrorists’ or ‘militants’.
[...]http://www.neilclark66.blogspot.com/2014/04/im-confused-can-anyone-help-...
Read Sheldon Wolin's work on Inverted Totalitarianism:
A sampler -
http://www.thenation.com/article/inverted-totalitarianism
It is sickening. Both sides are so dirty you want to root for both to lose but that probably means we all die.
Of course! Because no one should have the right to secede from a country after it's had its democratically-elected government overthrown in a violent coup.
So they should abandon their cities because a group of Western banker puppets violently took over the Ukrainian government?
Downvotes hahahahahaha pidherazy !
I think the usage of UK camo is a public relations decision. Pictures of them don't look so "foreign" if they are wearing "friendly" camo.
Would be very interesting to see them start turning up wearing US camo and gear.
In the day of Twitter et al - image is everything.
Headline correction: "Pro-Russian Forces" Parade OSCE Hostages On TV.
In this mess, the men in masks are rarely who they claim to be.
The guard in the middle of that pic has some cool shoes
Sounds like a great time to slam VIX
Per the OSCE themselves, this team are not OSCE observers. Here's the OSCE tweeting about that:
Read the rest of their tweets on this situation here: http://www.osce.org/ukrainemonitoring . The military team was 'visiting' the rebel controlled territory under the invitation of the Kiev coup installed government. Pretty obvious they were there to gather information for the other side."German Col. Axel Schneider"
So wait...military members from Western Europe sent to Eastern Ukraine are "observers"?
So...if Russia and China sent members of their military to Kiev would they be treated as "observers" or "spies"? How about if they sent them to Brussels, or Greece, or D.C.?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
OSCE = a front for spying and instigation.
As if they are peacekeeping "observers".
Please.
OSCE crisis management vice-director publicly denied that they have a mission in Slavyansk; which means, the military personnel posing under OSCE's flag are actually no more than spies for the zio-nazi's in Kiev, Berlin and DC.
¨Latest news are that "terr'rrists" have released one of the ZATO spies because of health issues - the Swedish major Thomas Johansson who is suffering from diabetes is no longer in captivity, although insuline supplies are plentiful in Slavyansk.
Is anybody else scratching their head about a military officer with diabetes? I just can't imagine loading up the war supplies to go to the front and having to make sure insulin is on the truck. WTF??
Wait, wait, in the TV interview he strongly mentioned NOT to be in a militatry mission, but as a member of OSCE, mission, supported by Russia and Ukraine, who are members of said org. FWIW.
OSCE is not a 'spy vs. spy' operation.
Those in captivity are NOT OSCE-observers or OSCE-members, but belong to a bilateral military verification unit between Germany and Ukraine based on the Vienna Document 2011 (VD11).
There is nothing new here. When Vlad invades, that is the next news event. NATO sending more troops to Baltics/Poland would be the following news event in this particular theater.
Everything else is just setting it up.
You can expect the locals to be upset if you walk around at night in your underpants.
ZH, please fact check before taking the bait. The others have pointed this out, the three men in the second video are Urkainian special anti terrorist forces just inserted in Eastern Ukraine on a snatch mission. Obviously the US CIA and Special Forces handlers of these guys did a shit of training them. And lucky for them the Rebeles need and want them for prisoner exhange with Kiev, otherwise, their fate would be very, very bad. Now these elite guys are singing the blues, sucks to be caught, caught outside your homes and trying to enforce an alien coup's powers on people who don't want you. But the west will not give up, they want a win here, and they will kill to get it. This thing only goes south from here, because Obama's handlers are out for the big win.
No, Ukraine is being used to create the "One World Union", with Russia on the outside. You need an enemy to keep the little people in line and Putin has volunteered Russia to be that target.
Naturally the Russians don't see things that way. They expect to win, and take the head seat at the table.
I can't believe Putin is this stupid. He doesn't have the military, nor the economy to pull this off. He may temporarily get parts of the Eastern Ukraine but end up parceling out the "Russian Empire" to all disgruntled parties.
He's not as stupid as Stephen Harper, eh?
But hey, enjoy things while you can. The Esquimaux are planning an invasion of Ottawa, after which they plan to partition all of Canadia.
It just isn't possible that nobody seems to have realized that once the shooting starts all the sanctions in the world won't mean shit, and will only provoke a wider sphere of violence. Once any party to a negotiation has permanently left the table, negotiations are over. Let's not forget that the Russians were willing to sacrifice 20 million people to stop the Nazis. Does Obama really think his little red lines are of any concern to Russia when these are the people who stood up to tens of divisions of Panzers and the Luftwaffe with bolt action rifles and, in some cases, paving stones tossed from the roofs of buildings? I somehow don't believe that this whole sanctions thing is anything but a "see - we tried" ploy.
You better re-read your history.
Stalin was throwing hissy fits to get a second front opened. He was threatening to surrender to the Germans if the British and Americans didn't start a second front.
The Russian people did as they were told, for fear of being shot. Will Putin shoot Russians if they don't fight?
The Russian infantry charged foreward en mass even if their chances of surviving were 1 in a hundred. Behind them were the KNVD giving them a 100% chance of being shot to death if they retreated. Generals didn't fare much better.
Russia helped Hitler start WWII by taking half of Poland. At the end of the war Russia kept that half and much more. So, is Putin like Stalin? Is Obama like FDR?
Could you describe the logistics of using the "KNVD" to drive a line of infantry over the front that is several kilometers wide? For additional effect also describe how this could be used in urban environments.
Please stop with the Cold War mythology and try some critical thinking for a change.
Stalin made Hitler look like a pussy.
Today's USSA resembles what's the yesteryear's USSR.
Just remember that the BOLSHEVIKS controlled the USSR then.
And both the past Bolsheviks and today's D.C. controllers (and Brussels as well) serve the same Paramount Masters, those who call The City their dens!
No, dumbass. It is YOU who needs to read... if you even can.
Stupid fuck.
they are not frank kitson style pseudo gangs
they are not spies
they are not rothschild paid disrupter agents
they are community gender reassignment organisers checking checking quality control of hospital cock cutting tools
Speakimg of cocks, i hear you're pretty hung. Any truth to that rumor tony boy?
A. "pro-Rusian" forces are not Russian and do not represent Russia
B. OSCE forces have absolutely no business being there and someone put them at risk by ordering them to be somewhere that they do not belong.
C. It is a shame that anyone's circumstances are so bad or they are so mentally unbalanced that they feel forced to join the military ... a place where people go to kill other people. Why would anyine ever take a job that's primary function is murder?
I feel sorry for the guys ... but for the OSCE and those who control them, they can all go to hell.
Yanukovich is the duly elected president. this should not have happened.
Well, Obama is the duly elected president. So?
WAR: Ramping futures since 1939.....
It must be really cold there as almost everyone wears a balaclava.
These fellow are acting like terrorists. Why hostages?
Are they hostages... or prisoners?
Oh that's right, we take prisoners, they take hostages.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is back after a short break. Per usual, he's very insightful on the Ukraine situation: Click here.
Robert Parry has been writing on-target analysis all year too. His latest: Why Neocons Seek To Destabilize Russia
Good post! Parry hit the nail on the head....
British camo?
OSCE could have send someone everyone would trust.
Someone like William Walker, perhaps.
And they they wonder when OSCE people get targeted. Sigh.
Send in Norwegians, Indians, Brazilians or better yet, Swiss Military.
Mexican Armed Forces not bad, either.
I suspect they are only holding the personnel to have fellow separatists returned. Not too great an idea, but things are very fluid over there, obviously.
OSCE has announced that these gentlemen are not OSCE monitors
but were sent from Germany and other (most NATO) countries after invited by Ukraine:
I can't help but wonder how much more the Europeans are willing to take up the ass from these fucktards in Brussels? First they steal their sovereignty, then they destroy their economy by bailing out the banksters. Now they're pining for a war in their backyard with Russia
all the billions of gold stolen from libya all the sweet oil 2.
the tons of gold shipped stolen from kiev to israel,new york and london
the hundreds of billions made from helmand heroin shipped to camp bond steel.
all the monies made from weapons sales blackmail and death running into the trillions.
and yet the bush family rokerfellas and the rothschilds allow spies of the osce to walk and skip about in polyester underpants.
how modern how fright fully gay
Most important for Ukraine is to prepare really free and secure presidential elections and let the NEW LEGAL PRESIDENT to act on behalf of Ukrainians NOT for interest of global superpowers.
The current government and the president is questioned. OK, but he is only temporary in order to prepare new elections. Elections should take place in MAY
All parties in Ukraine, Russia, EU, US should contribute to free elections.
It can't be free and secure elections when unidentified masked heavily gunned mans are occupying government buildings and are operating in the Ukraine. NO country in the world would accept them AT HOME ( or Russia would? )
The current government should of course disarm them .
Naive........ those holding Ukraine hostage wil not allow any fair election.
Some of candidates have been beaten, etc. and others abducted and disapeared
Ignorant post
This one is easy now ,
one of three things will happen now .. and all of them involve sacrificing Ukraine.
Europe makes agreement with Russia to keep its gas.
Hardly any choice but Putin will insist on petro roubles or gold.
US will demand Europe pay in dollars but Putin will say fuck off they are now worthless here. And he would be right.
Europe will suggest that US also ditch Ukraine but try to finagle a way with europe to attack Syria,, get its pipe
What it wanted all along.
Putin will be happy for a while agreeing that until his pipe is built to Chin.
Alternative, dollar collapse and civil war in the US
obummer wont be happy but no choice. either way he swings but that's what you get when you let a fucking monkey run things
Europe threatening this and that, blah, blah, blah.
As big a mismatch as 10 year old boys and girls thinking they could win the World Series.