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These Are America's 10 Most And Least Expensive Cities (And The 361 Cities Inbetween)
Recently we showed data breaking down of not only the states that have the highest and lowest state tax rates, but also which states are considered the most and least expensive to live in, based on regional price parity data as calculated by the BEA. Of course, the problem with that approach as anyone who has lived in Manhattan compared to upstate New York will know, is that state level data is largely useless when there are extensive price differentials within any given state.
Which is why to drill down on state-level disparities, here is a full breakdown of regional price parities, again using BEA data, this time at the Metro State Level, which shows for example that it is over 30% more expensive to live in New York, NY (which is the second most expensive city in the US after Honolulu) with a regional price parity index of 122.2, than in Utica, NY, which is at 93.0.
First, here are the 10 most expensive cities/MSAs to live in the US:
And, at the other end, here are the 10 cheapest cities and MSAs:
In summary, very much like extensive wage and price differentials within the European "Union", this latest data shows that it is about 54% more expensive to live in America's most expensive city, Honolulu, than to live in what according to the US government is the cheapest city in the US - Danville, IL.
As the US consumer retrenches even further, and is forced to minimize spending to previously unseen levels, we expect to see increasing migration away from America's more expensive cities, into the one at the bottom end of the list of 381 cities and MSAs ranked below.
Full list of all US states ranked from most to least expensive (via the WSJ):
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54% difference. Wow!
Eat the rich they taste like chicken.
I prefer avoiding the shakes.
Going Galt.....and not leaving a forwarding address.
Eat a skunk, your neighbors will love you.
Funny how the 10 most expensive places to live are all bastions of liberalism in the country... I guess being an ideological twit is expensive these days.
It is funny -- how no one at ZH sees the irony. Price reflects supply and demand. Liberal bastions seem to have more people crowding into them than they can hold, while Tea Party backwoods have no such problem. How can that be?
......you can only procreate with your cousin so many times before her teeth fall out?
Mmmmmmm, gum jobs!!
shearflation means that the uberwealthy will continue to inhabit the expensive sites, further driving up the cost while further adding to employment and wages for the l33t who live there
hugs,
leona's gardner
Danville, Illinois is a city? Who knew? I grew up near there and I don't think any of the locals would describe it that way.
Good info Tylers, but it lacks context. Even the small towns are dramaticly more expensive than they were a generation ago, mostly due to taxes and health care.
"It is funny -- how no one at ZH sees the irony."
Only a moron doesn't understand the socio-economics of large population centers and liberal bias. The "backwood rednecks" in fly-over country are the backbone of the country. The real irony is that went right over your head...
I was thinking about that 27 million penthouse/rat hovel they featured a few days ago.
Open a window and all the sirens, cursing, and stink of New Yawk would be yours to enjoy. When the power goes out, you have a sixteenth floor walk-up death trap for your trouble. Mule Creek and Muddy Creek don't sound like much, but they have a lot to offer, and they are looking better all the time;)
Open a window and all the sirens, cursing, and stink of New Yawk would be yours to enjoy. When the power goes out, you have a sixteenth floor walk-up death trap for your trouble.
Different strokes for different folks, ok everyone?
It's the twenty first century, James.
No one cares if you're gay;)
Sure if you are under 35 and mommy & daddy or the trust fund is paying for that $4,000 a month rental or you were lucky enough to score that junior analyst job at Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley then NYC is a great place. If you don't meet that criteria it is pure hell -- and one thing you will also learn is that 90% of the people you will come into contact with will at least try to screw you over.
JMT - wonder if you see this - but even that junior analyst job, even at 120k a year, means because of your life style, mom and dad are still supporting you. i know that's hard to believe, but, i'm there. and it's true. sure - you didn't spend all your money on rent, but after taxes, rent, parties, clothes, never cooking and always eating out, gift to girlfriends, stuff like flying home for holidays gets paid by mom and dad. oh- did i forget the student loan? and the car. (that's not actually needed for living, but for status)
i lived 20 years in manhattan. unless you are really lucky, you will NEVER open your windows. the noise, the pollution, the dirt, filth. open your windows and the vermin arrives, count the legs or the fur.
i had a friend at 42 and 9 on the 35th floor. (i've never been higher than 7, because i want to be able to walk up during the problems). 35 high - couldn't open his windows from the noise and dirt.
it's a lovely place for many. (and many that are trapped and don't know anything else). for me - if you pass 30 years old and beyond the party and fascination. it's a sewer. and expensive one at that.
What's the rule on big city addresses, street then ave or ave then street? I've never lived anywhere that was required knowledge.
Obviously the problem is income inequality, sarcasm
RE: "It is funny -- how no one at ZH sees the irony."
All those places are also bastions of the FSA(there's your demand).
Not so expensive when someone else is paying your fare...
I've lived in the top 10 and the bottom 10.
I'll take the top ten. For as long as it lasts. According to some we'll all be living at the bottom soon enough.
You been watching too much Fox. In liberal bastions like SF and Brooklyn, the FSA are getting gentrified right out, and hardly a day passes when they don't stomp on some Google glasses, or roll Smart cars, or write angry blogs on Salon. Where do you think has a higher percentage of people on food stamps and federal disability -- SF, or Seattle, or pick any place in West Virginia?
True. The exodus from San Francisco has been shocking. SF poor and middle class have fled across the bridge- sending east bay rents through the roof. So where are east bay poor supposed to go? The ripple spreads from there. Same thing happens when a bubble bursts.
3000 - 4000 a month for rent in the South Bay in places like Santa Clara, Cupertino, Palo Alto, etc. If I didn't live with my folks, I would be spending > 50% of my pay for rent in this place if I lived with one roommate in a 2-bed apartment close to work.
The Bay Area is singing the tale of two diverging classes of people: those who make over 100-120K, and those who don't. Pretty soon those making over 100 will be facing the same fate as those who don't. They just have the higher ground for now, and are led by their false sense of security to behave as such.
The Bay Area is singing the tale of two diverging classes of people: those who make over 100-120K, and those who don't. Pretty soon those making over 100 will be facing the same fate as those who don't.
Yes, but this is true all over the world - people being pushed out by rising prices. Likely only to get worse, probably much worse.
I think it is a seriious calculation for one to make. Let's say you have a choice to live in California or next door in Nevada. Let's also say you make $100k in taxable income for simplicity. Nevada has no state income tax and CA has 13.5%. So, to live in California as lovely and wonderful as many parts of it are, you pay a tax premium of $13.5k or over $1k/month. That will buy you the nicest of BMW's or you could invest in rental property or a hundred other things. Even if you compare a no tax state to a middle of the road income tax state of maybe 6% you are still sacrificing a new car payment every month. Most of the high tax states have more than one high tax, as well. As anyone in NJ about their astronomical property taxes. That increases the actual price of say a $500k home when you have a 5% effective property tax, too.
People may go through these areas because it involves a short corporate stint to get a promotion, but given a choice many will begin leaving, especially if business begins leaving. If incomes are flat or dropping as they are for the middle class these days then you begin to think even harder about moving. It becomes the only way to improve your disposable income.
We complain about the price of gas, or hamburger or even the cable bill while the single largest never-ending-cannot-escape expense is your government.
Its the same in the NYC area except the middle class (those making less than $150,000) have fled east to Long Island and across the Hudson to NJ. After property taxes & transportation ($250 a month for train and another $104 for subway + parking) it isn't much cheaper. Rents on Long Island (Nassau & Suffolk county) have gone thru the roof as well figure $2,000 a month for a semi legal basement apartment utilities extra.. Same with NJ -- any decent town you will be paying in the $2,000's.. Buying a home?? I wouldn't anywhere in the NYC MSA, the taxes, utility costs, car insurance costs are either the highest or the 2nd or 3rd in the nation...
CHEAPEST city (Jackson, TN) had a bearing distributor go bankrupt many years ago. Their creditors offered the inventory (you could pick & choose), so I sent them a low-ball offer on two sizes of Timken for car wheels.
I offered a very low price, but won the two lots! Off to Peru they went, where our customers were happy to briefly pay for Timken at East European prices (before the Koreans were even on the world bearing map, we bought from Poland and Hungary). "Everybody won."
But, seeing that Jackson, TN is the cheapest city (and I have never been there, Nashville & Memphis yes, Jackson no), ahh, I do not know what kind of place it would be to live...
It's nice. Midway bewtween Memphis and Nashville. Moderate climate, reltively flat for TN. On I-40. I have a customer there. Probably 30,000 population, but I have not checked that stat.
American by birth, Southern by the grace of God ;-)
+ 1
Sounds like a winner!
I have to disagree. To the exent that the current USA regime has a backbone, it's white skin, white collar employees of the defense and security industries, spread from Houston to Oak Ridge to northern Virginia to California. Those are the only people outside of Wall Street or the government itself who actually support the regime.
Mayberry RFD no longer exists, and it's not the backbone of anything. Rural America depends on farm subsidies and meth sales, and watches uneasily as Hispanic immigrants keep flowing in to gut the cows and pluck the chickens. Meanwhile, the places that actually generate economic surplus are those liberal bastions like Silicon Valley and NYC (to the extent that you consider the paper flows of the US economy to be real at all.)
The USA has lots of cops in body armor, but no cultural or moral core anymore. The most coveted place to live (judging by real estate prices, which tend not to bullshit as much as talking heads on TV), not counting celebrity enclaves like Aspen CO, is a white-Asian neighborhood in a liberal bastion.
Nice try Shorts, but Tea Party types will never allow anything counter to their ideology to enter their mind. Why do you think conservative programming runs 24/7 on a number of media outlets? They have to keep the drone going so nothing else can get in.
It's funny to watch the mental machinations these guys go through to explain how their beloved free market gawd could account for liberal places being expensive and attractive. While I personally hate large cities myself, I can see why this dynamic works the way it does. I would also venture that few of the critics have ever visited most of the places the are bashing and just building their usual strawmen to beat up in front of everyone.
Dunno what you are being so self-righteous about. LIberals like expensive neighborhoods, because high prices keep out the undesirables, in a way that does not offend their PC morality.
Detroit is pretty liberal. So is Chicago (only 50 shot this wekend). LA used to be less liberal (and a lot nicer) in the 80s....but they went full lib (with predictable, cesspool-esque results).
Most liberal, expensive cities are on or near the water, harbor or have really nice weather. God made those naturally beautiful places.
Liberals have turned them into feral wastelands.
Maybe liberals are like sheep.
Most of the immigrants are liberal.
They accumulate in cities where there are enclaves and more possibilities of jobs.
Most immigrants are "liberal" or progressive because the intense on-the-sleeve racism of the American right leaves them no other option. Many would be conservative it there were an option (but don't hold your breath).
Immigrants accumulate in cities because:
1) they feel unsafe and unwanted in the Tea Party backwoods.
2) their highest value is often education, and Tea Party districts tend to dislike public schools and have second-rate school systems.
As for jobs -- progressive politics (a.k.a. communism) is supposed to kill jobs -- I read it 800 times on ZH. Liberal bastions can't possibly have more jobs. Public infrastructure, public services, public goods (libraries, for god's sake) aren't compatible with jobs, are they?
Most immigrants are third world poor who are here due to chain migration. You really think these areas have good school systems? It's the students which determine school system quality for the most part, not the systems themselves. School systems have traditionally been one giant money pit in most of these very expensive areaas with minimal to no results. Almost half of all the births in NYC are to unmarried women, these areas have some wealthy and tons of poor around to perform service jobs.
I have to call BS on this. Liberal/socialist propaganda of the "progressives" is an easy sell to the immigrant communities. The immigrants are only screwing themselves even worse in tbe future when any wealth they have is confiscated in the name of democracy and equality by these criminals that claim to care so much about them.
Is that why they're broke? Paying that guy $75hr to keep their sewer working and smelling sweet? ha....they can have their self-righteous cities where your cool as long as you think and do what we demand.
They accumulate in cities because they can hide better, get fake IDs and free stuff.
Liberals are like herding cats. They have a ton of different agendas. Conservatives are much more sheep like in that their beliefs are very similar. Republicans can alomst always keep their politicians in line while dems are all over the place. i doubt you'll acknowledge this though as it doesn't fit with the ideology you need to express.
3 million people left the state of New York between 2000 and 2010. I just moved from CT and I heard they lose about 50K a year. Just cuz they're still crowded does not mean they are not losing folks. People are moving. Why should I pay for all that BS in the NYC area?
American Migration [Interactive Map]
http://www.forbes.com/special-report/2011/migration.html
Wow, that's a great map. Just blew about half an hour horsing around with that. Thanks for the link!
Yeah! Great tool. Thanx.
The weenies and whiners moving in for free shit and 'sanctuary' - from work.
Gee, dumbass, because, like Palo Alto, they quit allowing houses to be built in the '70s or they have rent control. San Francisco and NYC are very restricted in size, aren't they? Why are all those liberal landlords gouging the poor so? SHouldn't they be offering up their properties at break even for the people?
Tea Party backwoods seem to be more livable with less crime and cost. How can that be?
Things a bit slow over at the Nazi funded MediaMatters?
FORWARD SOVIET!
Because some people prefer steak over squirrel
You DO know, of course, where steak comes from, don't you?
WHY, YES, you say, it comes from the SUPERMARKET!
Steak and squirrel were not to be referenced as food. Some missed the point.
Stuirrel...the new white meat. They carpet my place but I generally leave them be because my dog needs the exercise...
By design.
The only "irony" I see is that so many of the rich and upper (upper) middle class these daze seem to tilt left. So the very people who are tipping the income inequality scale are all railing loudy against it--especially from the safety of their cozy coffee shops and private cocktail parties. The conservatives are the people who actually have to roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty. Oh, the irony.
Or maybe it's just self-serving hypocrisy? That is, despite the rhetoric, they know damn well that all the liberal policies aimed at leveling the playing field just exacerbate the inequality in their favor.
Ya think?
you're high
I'm high? Don't think so. Look at the #1 liberal hypocrite in the USA: Warren Buffett. Publicly complains he is not taxed enough (the infamous "Buffett Rule"); privately, has an army of lawyers/accountants to insure he and his many corporations pay little or no taxes. If you think Warren cares a whit about income inequity, then you're the one who is smoking something my friend.
The only bright spot is that the lying scumbag is 83 years old and probably hasn't figured out a way to take all his $$ with him when he croaks. But his $$ won't be going to the Gubermint, that is for sure.
Get one of these elitists alone and they'll tell you flat out, " socialism for thee but not me". Lol
If I have a choice of liberals or tea party conservatives for neighbors, even for the unsardonically best possible meaning of "liberal", I will take the conservatives 11 times out of 10. That's because I used to live in one of the biggest liberal enclaves in the country and now live in a conservative one and won't be going back. I hope they stay there where we can keep an eye on them. They can pat themselves on the back about how popular they are.
They are called "sanctuary cities".
Sanctimony cities?
LOTS of people live for FREE STUFF.
The BUMS always congregate where there is good weather.
Liberal bastions seem to have more people crowding into them than they can hold, while Tea Party backwoods have no such problem. How can that be?
I suspect that you have cause and effect reversed. Much of the Tea Party's support comes from those places ion the 'heartland' that have been royally screwed over by TPTB (BOTH political parties though most fail to see that). Tea Party supporters are those that worked in the factories that have been offshored, in the mines that have been shut down, owned the small farms overwhelmed by agribusiness. How many places - towns, cities and counties have seen their economic base utterly destroyed when the plants that anchored the area were moved overseas? So OF COURSE these area are 'cheap' to live in - ther are no jobs and plenty of cheap empty housing. Keep in mind that the Tea Party STARTED out as a protest against BANKS and WALL STREET - though it has bee coopted and bought out by some of the same the oligarchs they started out protesting. Coincidentally, OWS (the 'leftist' protest group) was protesting the very same groups receiving preferential treatment.
Industrial America and small town America ('Main Street' America) have been royally screwed over - the people that MAKE THINGS, the people that PRODUCE THINGS are hurting. Meanwhile the financial industry grows and profits (no longer existing to allocate capital to productive endeavors but the EXTRACT capital and make MORE money off the money they've accumulated).
The places that serve the latter are doing well, have (relatively) more jobs that pay better (some that pay ridiculously 'better') and also serve as havens for flight capital from elsewhere BECAUSE these locales are 'doing well'
People are voting with their feet?
You mean libs/fanatics are taking over vote and gov in small towns and putting codes and regs in place for control of the poor dumb ignorant that are unaware of how to run the planet correctly?
They keep voting for policies that require other people's money, they are just now realizing they are the "other people". Yea baby, soak the "rich"
but $30,000 is the new $100,000.
No, they taste like pork.
Ideological BS and the false Left/Right paradigm aside, and we just look at the financial facts, we discover that...
1. In terms of pure investment theory, the best place to buy (to live or rent) is where the prices will increase the most. Aka "wave riding", i.e. "Make the Trend your Friend"
2. The most affordable places are in the least desirable by the large herds, for a variety of reasons. Historically (in human history), people prefer "livable land" near large bodies of water. Duh, imagine that!
3. Extreme places attract or develop extreme beings and personalities. This is true in the entire Natural world, not just the human world. This is neither 'good' nor 'bad', but simply different: to each his own.
The real "nuggets" are in medium size population areas, where you get an optimal blend of affordability, livability and varied/interesting lifestyle. Monocultures of any kind (plants, animals or people) are usually boring or unpleasant, in one way or another.
Danvilleward, ho!
Ho cain't make no livin in Danville!?!
Yeah, but if you're ever in Danville, stop at the Busy-Bee Cafe for a good ole breakfast of Brains & Eggs, with a side of grits and stewed apples...
One of the best BBQ joints in the USA is close by as well
A good Ho can make a living anywhere.
She is a movable feast;)
I take it you have tried? Come to #173 and give it a shot :)
How about Sumter, SC! Short its RE market, as it's still no more fashionable than > 200 yrs ago.
I vote Florence SC.........I'm right down the road.
go GameCocks
where can I buy one of those?
Hint: Look for the little blue pills.
Spartanburg ain't bad either...
Actually, it's pretty great. Went to Spartan High and Spatanburg Methodist College before migrating down to Columbia & USC (as someone said above - Go Cocks!) I see that BMW is expanding, again, and Michelin is growing, too. The area got hit hard with the off-shoring of the textile industry, but SC unemployment is now among the lowest in the Nation. Me, I'm out in the country not far from York and only about 40 minutes to the Charlotte airport. Rock Hill is also one of the best small towns in the U.S., with very enlightened, pull-together leadership. Biggest worry for me is too much growth. I feel the cities creeping my way, and traffic gets worse every year.
Finally Snyder puts out an great list! Good job man.
POINTS!
Every time it rains they get $400B in the northeast so yeah, they have moar clownbux.
Auburn-Opelika, Alabama is NOT what the list says it is. RE there is ridiculous unless you purchase a shack or trailer. Other expenses are much the same as other cities in the South.
In light of this, I must question all the findings of that report.
how about Cities that aren't even Cities anymore? I mean "Detroit...does it even constitute Urbanity?"
It's no less a city than Mogadishu or Monrovia.
you may need barbed wire fence around your hotel at Mamba Point, but at least you won't get shot in broad daylight for your Nike Airs. Detroit is no Monrovia.
And Stamford, Connecticut. Come on. That's part of the metro NYC area for all intents and purposes.
This is a very important topic. A major issue that many Americans and our government continues to ignore is how much the cost of living varies throughout the country. A major issue that many Americans and our government continues to ignore is how much the cost of living varies throughout the country. More on how this effects the economy below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-minimum-wage-will-go-up-right...
What, you want the government implementing price controls across the country? Fuck that!!!!!!
No! You missunderstood my comment. What I want is the government to stop basing how much they pay people who don't work on the cost of living in California or New York. This Current payouts from these programs remove incentive for those receiving "generous" government payments to seek work in low cost areas because it is relatively easy to make ends meet. In many ways it is the government that has made it to easier to not work.
no worries, we all will come down together .... one at a time .... give it some time.
ny and dc wont be the same if le douler loses his power
The minimum wage push is union driven, their contracts are linked to this and will automatically kick-in an increase in their pay.
Right out of your paycheck to their paycheck.
F' that.
fuck that! I've moved to Thailand where a $1000 a month get me Ocean view, fresh,chicken, beef, fish and pork. And I date women thirty years younget han me. Fuck the NWO!
How was Songkran in Pattaya this year?
Songkran is something all Xpats run from. I went to Nha Trang Vietnam with my Thai girlfriend.
Vietnam is more capitalistic than the USA. I love SEA!
Nha Trang was a pretty place even during the war. I remeber beautiful shaded, wide boulevards. Used to be TDY to an MP Batallion as a classified courrier and delivered 'pouches' there a number of times. For a while, I lived on the South China Sea near the tip of Cam Rahn Bay - Holden Beach - with the lifeguards. There were 7 of us, out there all by ourselves. Amazing sand, sea, and seafood. As a courrier, I had no one to report to, and no one ever checked up on me as long as I picked up my assignement every second day. There were 2 of us to take care of the assignments that were handed out dailey at 10:00. We delivered the sealed bag anywhere and to anyone they told us to take it to. I had a stack of blanket travel orders that would let me go anywhere and take any form of govt tranportation available. A very interesting job, to say the least.
Very cool story! Thanks!
I had that gig for about 5 months, and should write a book. Holden Beach was a mini, in-country R&R area, but much less known than China Beach in DaNang. Surfing, snorkeling, fishing....plus, we had hand-picked Mama Sans that really took care of us, and I'm sure you know what I mean.
Then, one day new orders arrived, and I was sent back to my original MOS. 10 days later I was running recon and night ambush patrols up around the DMZ with 101st Airborne. All in all, I had an amazing tour. Extremely fortunate.
Good for you. Are you one of those fat, hairy, bald men chasing the young women at the beach? I heard the young asian women are disgusted by the sight of this spectacle. Maybe keep your shirt on, but again, good for you.
Marc Faber?
No but I did ride motos with him once in Chang Mai. That dude rides a bike like he stole it!
And has many hot Thai ladies on his arm. Great dude!
He has da bucks and dat makes a world of difference...
Well, I'm a Vet, so I stay in shape from my Army training and hard core fucking of Thai women.
So no I'm not fat. Losing some hair maybe but not bald.
And let me clue you in my young, judgmental, ignorent fool.
ALL WOMEN WANT YOUR MONEY! so the question becomes what is the value Vs cost.
Here my FRN goes a long way down the value trail. My income is tax exempt here for the first $90,000.00 or so and I have all my AU/cash stash offshore and money to burn here. So I stack and save but at the same time live like a king.
So yea your stereotype of xpats is a little old. Kinda like playing the race card.
Most of the time I hear it from a loser who does'nt have the balls, money guts to leave their moms basement.
Or they're married to some fat Walmart queen and envious that some dudes have and always will be players.
But bro, don't be a player hater!
Well said, Pach.
I finally have time to travel in Asia/Pacific. Always wanted to see Bali.
If you still have your ears on, anything you would recommend in that area?
I would recomend the Phillipines. For cheap living and nice girls if you want to go native. Thailand works for me but PI is #2
I would recomend the Phillipines. For cheap living and nice girls if you want to go native. Thailand works for me but PI is #2
Bali ain't cheap anymore, ...
PI is great to find women, but most of my friends go to PI find a woman, then take her to THAILAND. For an EX-PAT PI is tough to live with gangs, and shit too much like Miami, or dealing with LA hispanic gangs in Tiquana. Go to PI, and find a beauty-queen, but plan on taking her to a nice beach in Cambodia, and renting a little house for $50/month, ...
[ Probably the only useful generality is that if you MUST have boobs then go to Philipines, if tits don't matter anymore then enjoy a Burmese beauty with small tits ]
I myself love to live north of Myanmar, but I have been over here 30+ years and speak all the languages. So I'm essentiall a local.
I travel a lot, at least ever 3 months I travel all over SE-ASIA.
A lot of guys are saying if THAILAND goes down ( red/yellow war ) they will go to Cambodia, its CHEAP.
WRT to Vietnam, there is north and south, and its all nut's, Thai's and Burmese are buddhists, and Vietnam is CHINESE on METH. In Burma I might see a motorcycle a day, in Vietnam, they go 100km/hr down the sidewalk, ... you can have Vietnam,...
WRT to FABER I can also say that I hate Bangkok and chiang-mai, the bullshit on the internet about chaing-mai being a retriement paradise is bullshit, its expensive and filthy air, and hot. There are more lady-boys in the red area (loi-kroh) of chiang-mai than in Pattaya, that is how nasty the place is.
In summary I think nowadays Cambodia is probably best, Siam-Reap can be very comforting for the white-guy, and its cheap,
PI ( philiphines ) is interesting, I love the place, and I love their martial-arts, but its too much like Mexico, let's remember it was a SPANISH, and now USA colony, and they were fucked spirtitually. I like buddhist areas, and PI is christian enough said, its too much like the USA.
I think thai/burmese(south china/yunan) are purest, there are remote places that are untouched.
It all depends if you can live in the village or the city, ... I myself know the village women are more beautiful, the air is clean, and the food is pure, and everyone is beautiful. In the city's the people are generally ugly and unhappy. People ONLY go to the city and leave their VILLAGE for money. In the CITY you tend to only meet GOLD-DIGGER's, in the villages you will meet people looking for real love.
The Problem for EXPATS ( that's YOU the white guy ) is they tend to flock together in EXPAT SEX-PAT TOURIST zones, and they never meet the real or the good people, and I say this about all asian country's in generality.
I prefer the BUDDHA-BELT myself, kinder, gentler people, and more like GREECE in a live&let-live attitude about life.
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In summary, just take your time, learn the language, and try to live like a local, and when in Rome, do as Romans do.
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Make your move soon, once the civil war starts in the USA, then all these country's will refuse USA refugee's and tighten down the VISA's
Well your depth of knowledge is outstanding. I don't think I've ever read anyone give such a concise and perfect example of how one can live in south east Asia and have a incredible life. I myself lived in Colombia South America for 15 years. I speak fluent Spanish. But I've chosen Asia and in particular Thailand to retire. But or Miramar is also on the very short. Outstanding people women. And I also agree with you in regard to A budda belt. MY women is Buddist. And she's really cool chick.
Easy dude, I am envious and was just relating something I read in the news (maybe Daily Mail, yeh I admit to reading that trash from time to time). Good for you, fuck one of them for me would you?
Dude. You're not his bitch.
This is the kind of post I can't help but respond to. Hover your digital finger over the red arrow, fellas. Click as necessary.
So..... you like to use the money you earned raping other countries to return to and further rape said countries? Thems the spoils of war, eh? Yeah, your FRN goes a long way, doesn't it? Hooray for US hegemony and all it affords. Why exactly do your FRN's go so far, pacha?
Fuck all the women you can, pacha. They need the money. No, seriously. They NEED the money. You know what. you're a humanitarian pacha. Your dick is putting shoes on her kid. Food on her table.
Thank you. Thank you, and keep on diddling.
Pretty much right.
But if we're going to be honest and technical, why have kids if you can't afford them (or can only afford them doing something you would, shall we say, really rather not do)? Yes, there is a lot of what educated westerners would term rape and forced marriage, but that doesn't account for nearly all of it, and that isn't some white expat's fault, it's been going on since before white expats existed.
Why have a bevy of kids? I don't know, maybe it's cultural. Maybe they needed them as subsistence farmers and their genitals haven't quite caught up with the new reality. As far as Vietnam- they lost 900,000 souls in the war. We can, perhaps, forgive them a little repopulation. 1 million hectares of forest and 700,000 acres of agri land were destroyed (yeah, I looked it up), so farmers headed into the city with their productive pricks in tow.
Things don't change until they do. Heaven forbid we have any affect on the proceedings.
Thought we were talking about urban Thailand, but it matters little. Why have even one kid, let alone multiple kids, if a) you don't need their labor b) mortality rates are low and c) you can't afford them RIGHT NOW. A is questionable, child labor pays notoriously little, you won't even break even with the cost of raising the kid. B has been the case more or less since colonial contact, excluding war. C holds at all times. Yes, I'm well acquainted with the historical and evolutionary-biological reasons for reproducing like rabbits - same idea behind shotguns, fragmentation mines, and MIRVs. My point was that one can hardly blame a certain batch of colonialists-imperialists for people's reproductive choices, which are their own responsibility to the extent there is any choice involved (that is, excluding rape). And that really is the issue, their behavior hasn't caught up with reality, and they're all worse off for it. It's not simply a matter of too much libido. And even if it was, that is not an excuse, and not the fault of anyone else.
They can "repopulate" as much as they please, they are the ones who pay the biggest price. "Repopulation" is one thing, overshoot is another, the difference is simple: what do you really need?
The OP brought in Vietnam and how awesomely capitalist it is. Hence... the mention.
I don't blame colonial-imperialists for anyone's reproductive choices. I blame them for being colonial-imperialists. I think you took a throwaway line about feeding someone's kid and made a big thing about it. The point is the power differential. Simply because someone has too many kids, by your estimation, that doesn't give you the right to exert power over them. They are at an economic disadvantage- and not just because of bad family planning. These have been areas of conflict for decades with the US behind some of it.
You're right that the common people will pay the highest price. What else is new. I must add- nothing is more amusing than hearing the first world ask the third world what it really needs.
Yep I was drafted into Vietnam. So I'm guilty. Duped! I was 17 and I didn't understand the NWO. Now I'm awake. You see I am the one they fear most. I'm the disgruntled war Vet.
I've got street credit's you will NEVER have. Why? Because I have seen war up front. Not some "call of Duty" wanna-be.
So when I speak about the NWO people listen. As a Retired Army Officer people know I have steel in my words.
So fucking hate me.
hate me becauseI also have used my money to pour big money into the campaigns Ted Cruz, Ron Paul Rand Paul. I must be a racicccccist too.
Hate me because I see past the right/left bullshit and vote Libertarian.
Just hate me.
But don't forget to wake me up for meals!
Well let's clear up the history here, Thai was an allie during the war, and thai's were never killed by the US-MIL, and they also were raped by the JAP's, and they knew the US-MIL had conquested japan, ... and so like CHINA the US men are treated with respect, and that's the reason that these women like us white guys.
Also in ASIA, 'looks' don't really mean shit, if your bald, fat, ... or whatever, it don't matter, what matters is if you learn the language, treat people with respect, and aren't a drunk, and don't mess with the children, ... I think any guy can do well over here with the women, and if you choose a GOLD DIGGER that's your problem.
A woman's earning potentional is $200/month at best, so if she's living with you on your retirement budget of say $500/month, your going to give her a better place to live and better food than she can find on her own, or with a local man of her own tribe.
But in my personal experience they just like us,... mostly cuz we tend to be manogamous, most asian men bring home all kinds of disease and almost always have extra-marital hanky-panky, I think a 'nice guy' that doesn't cheat, takes care of himself, and treats the little woman with respect, can pretty much have any woman he wants over here in ASIA.
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I agree, if you are in good shape, and you can do well, to the women over here white guys look younger, and if you stay in shape then you might look 20 years younger in their eyes.
The problem is that most guys come to ASIA and find the bar's and stay in the bar's, and the good women don't drink, or go to the bar's, so the two never meet.
Go online and there are 100's of 1,000's of high quality asian women looking for a romance with a white guy, and if you don't want a gold digger then pick one that has her own career, and her own money.
James,
I could not have said it better myself. I have three daughters all grown. One adopted from Guatemala. Brown girl and real go getter! One white and one white and gay. So I just try and love people now. You can see my photos and profile at twitter Pachanguero2.
I am the real deal. And I love my country. I'm an Oath Keeper and a Patriot. I will fight for my Constitution.
You know Asia and the world.
Thanks for saying the truth.
I heard they're lining you up for dog food. fyi
are you absolutely sure it's a woman?
After dark, all cats are grey.
.....and pussies are hard to find
A hole is a hole.....
...to bury your gold
Yeah, but if it starts to run off, hit it with the shovel...
You could likely hire an editor for 10 dollars per month...
Enjoy that fukushima sludge!
That's on it way to YOU dickweed! get a map!
A little knowledge of trade winds might also help,
but some are beyond help.
Pachanguero actually lives on the Pachanga reservation to American Indian and Mexican parents. He works at the casino and prefers asian porn. You'll note he says he lives in Thailand but says we should live in Vietnam for the "pussy". I talked to his pit boss today and he said that they all feel a little sorry for him because, in fact, he has no penis which is not to say he has a pussy either. He's smooth like a Ken Doll and lives in his parents tool shed under a tarp. I know, you wonder how he pees.
twitter. Pachanguero2 See the photos make your own judgments....
Careful as lady-boys run rampant.
If its tall, beautiful, white skin, and boobs over 32A .. its a MAN
If its short, fat, and ugly, and has dark skin its a woman.
Dating.... Is that what you call it?
LBFMs all day, every dayyyyyy!
I just got back a few days ago from a 2 week holiday in the Muslim part of Thailand, both sides, ... Gulf of Thai, and Indian Ocean.
You can still rent a nice house on the beach for 50 euro/month, that's the local price. Yes, ... all the fresh fruit, meat, and vege's, can be had for 1-2 euro/day budget if you cook yourself.
My god I live north of Myanmar(BURMA), and $1,000 last me 2-3 months,...
My guess is that Pach'a is in PATTAYA, where its expensive, and they have lady boy's.
I like the Muslim area's of Thailand, the beaches are cleaner, and I like the food, its spicier. Of course you got to bring your own women,
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I always say live like a local, ... learn the language, and pay the local price.
Yep, ... no problem to have a GF less than 30 years your age, and find real 'love' to boot, again the best test is to simply NOT give them any money, if they want money, then you know what they want. A lot of Asian women simply want to be with white guys, so they can be treated as equals rather than as lower class humans.
My Asian women is great NEVER say's NO to sex, unlike a white woman, who always have an excuse, ... In asia a woman knows that if she don't screw you, someone else will, so they never take their chance by saying 'no'.
Same as you Pach'a my woman is more than 30 years younger, and even here she's a '10'. Always sweet 24/7, never a nasty word from her mouth, pure paradise.
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I only responded to this topic, because to make it clear that its still possible to live very well on less than $300/month in most of SE-ASIA. So long as you pay the local price, learn the language, and live like a local. Remember most locals EARN much less than $300/month, so your still living much better than the average guy.
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One last comment most of the 'help' on the MUSLIM Islands of South thai/Malay are Myanmar women/men that come down to take the $5/day jobs, so there are lot's of MYANMAR down that way. I really like Myanmar (burmese/shan/tai-yai) people. Myanmar people are very relgious, the most dedicated Buddhists in the region.
I like the MUSLIM too, the Muslim in the South of Thailand don't drink, so you don't have all the crazy drunkeness you find in the North of Thailand.
I myself always stay away from EXPAT's and EXPAT area's, they're dangerous, boring, and I hate the Bar's and whore's, they're the dreg's of ASIA, and they are the 1% cesspool of life here.
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In summary 'heaven' for old white guys does exist, ...and you ain't going to find it in the USA.
Outstanding! Yes I live in Pattaya. You Really know Thailand! I can afford the high life so I live it. But I also go to Minadoro Island PI to dive and sail. So I like both sides of ASia.
But I date a brown girl from Issan. She's a college grad. Works for an exporter and drives a new car. She does not need my money. She makes $25 grand a year here. I help her like all women with stuff but never more than a few bucks.
again see twitter Pachanguer2 See my photos and then judge me.
Thanks for saying the truth about Thailand, SEA. You really have my respect.
Can't wait to see the FUKU flu take hold of Hawaii and CA!!
kind of makes sense for it to be more expensive in areas that are at risk to some of the worst case climate change scenarios.
some scientists are expecting sea level rise of 1.4m by the turn of the century.
how else will .gov finance the management of mass, migratory movements of people away from these high-risk zones in addition to developing/assuring security of food/water/energy supply chains to sustain a burgeoning population, expected to grow to 11 billion by end of the century?
Well, the war and matching pandemic these fucks are working on oughtta mitigate some stuff. The folks in New Joisey better build better dunes, however.
if you have 2 hours to spare, here's a great presentation on new ideas - such as, green crude.
on cue, trader1's fan club of haters and inside-the-box thinkers out to downvote. unleash the hounds!!! (i.e., conservative/republican/fundamentalist christian/right-wing/"libertarian" douchebags)i love you guys, you're so playful.
HEY!!! You forgot to add 'white', because NO self-respecting african-american could be conservative.........
I wear those labels with pride.
allan west?
trader1
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inbreds in boca?!
We could use this data as a delusion index; those living in the most expensive areas are the most delusional.
Tyler - black lettering for the column lableing please, the blue was impossible to read.
Actually, they've just traded in the mostly religious delusions of their hinterland brethren for the secular delusions of neo-liberalism, neo-Keynesianism, consumerism, etc.
Moving from #2 to #245 has been great...Problem is that food inflation is cutting into stuff pretty hardcore. My wife was shocked at the rise in prices YoY.