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Pro-Russian Mayor Of East Ukraine City Of Kharkiv Shot In The Back

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On the day in which Barack Obama announced earlier he would unveil another round of sanctions against Russia (most likely involving the heads of both Gazprom and Rosneft), moments ago the already tense situation took another turn for the worse when Interfax blasted news out of East Ukraine that the pro-Russian mayor of Kharkiv, the second largest city in Ukraine, Gennady Kernes, has been shot in the back and is currently undergoing an operation.

Kyiv Post reports that Kernes was an avid supporter of former President Viktor Yanukovych and spoke out against the EuroMaidan Revolution that forced the ex-head of state to flee the country. Since then, Kernes has flip-flopped under pressure from EuroMaidan activists and the new Kyiv government in order to remain in office. 

Following the news, presidential candidate and close Kernes confidant Mikhail Dobkin canceled his scheduled press conference.

Will this be the provocation that finally breaks the Russian bear's back and forces the Kremlin to send in "peacekeepers"?


Some more early reports from Reuters:

Gennady Kernes, the mayor of Ukraine's second-biggest city, Kharkiv, is in hospital undergoing emerging surgery after being shot in the back, Interfax Ukraina news agency quoted the mayor's spokeswoman as saying on Monday.


"The doctors are fighting to save his life," the agency quoted the spokeswoman, Tatiana Gruzinskaya, as saying.

And WSJ chimes in too:

Kharkiv Mayor Gennady Kernes, a one-time supporter of the ousted Ukrainian president who has since taken a more conciliatory approach to the new government, was shot in the back around noon local time and was rushed to a hospital for surgery.


"Doctors are fighting for his life. He is now in the emergency room undergoing an operation," the council said in a statement on its website.


The statement offered no details about the circumstances of the shooting, but Zurab Alasania, the director general of Ukraine's state-run National Television Company, wrote on his Facebook page that Mr. Kernes was shot while swimming in a local spring near Kharkiv.


Kharkiv had been an early target at the beginning of a pro-Russian separatist movement, in which mobs seized government buildings in the east of the country, but authorities had been successful in forcing the protesters out, unlike in other cities.


The colorful Mr. Kernes, 54 years old, was elected mayor in 2010, narrowly defeating Arsen Avakov, who is now Interior Minister. Mr. Avakov and his allies claimed the vote was rigged, which Mr. Kernes denied.


Mr. Kernes was a staunch ally of former President Viktor Yanukovych. During the antigovernment protests this winter, Mr. Avakov alleged that Mr. Kernes helped recruit gangs of civilians that were sent to Kiev to attack protesters. He denies this.


When Mr. Yanukovych fled at the end of February, Mr. Kernes briefly left the country before returning and adopting a softer tone toward new authorities. In March, he was placed under house arrest while police investigate alleged connections to kidnapping and threats.


The diminutive 54-year-old is known for his colorful lifestyle captured on his Instagram account where he posts photos of himself working out and posing with animals.

Details of the mayor's condition or the motive behind the shooting are still absent, although it is clear this latest provocation will hardly reduce regional tensions. We will update once we get more.


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Mon, 04/28/2014 - 05:59 | 4703221 jubber
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futures flying...Gold and Silver turn negative

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:17 | 4703224 y3maxx
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"Archduke" Kernes moment?</

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:20 | 4703249 negative rates
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Somebody at the hedge is getting up early these days.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:30 | 4703269 Skin666
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The Hedge have been 24 hours on twitter for the last week.


Methinks things are escalating.


All hail the Tyler(s) and their work in waking up the masses


197k followers on Twitter is no mean feat. Thanks.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:54 | 4703286 Haus-Targaryen
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So now that people are *finally* shooting at one another, I'd like to see the ante-upped. 

There are 15k Ukranian soldiers in Ukraine right now, and anywhere between 40k to 50k Russians just a few Kms away. 

I think the Russians could pull off a 13-1 KTD before the complete surrender of Ukranian forces. 

Junk away d-bags

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:55 | 4703294 Headbanger
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Shot while  swimming in a river, huh?

He shouldn't do that when it's alligator season there..

But does shooting him count against the shooters hunting limit for the season?


Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:59 | 4703305 Tengri Temujin
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Too bad that kind of stuff never happens in DC LOL

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:07 | 4703310 Haus-Targaryen
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I laughed.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:15 | 4703317 James_Cole
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Attempted suicide?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:18 | 4703323 Latina Lover
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No, just Blackwater doing what they do best, sniping from behind.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:07 | 4703391 onewayticket2
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another nail gun malfunction?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:00 | 4703557 Tengri Temujin
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Who the heck goes swimming in an European River in East Europe, do you know how polluted that shit is.  Something is very suspect.  These guys are wealthy they have lap pools they dont need to go swim in a river.  There is more to this story.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:40 | 4703711 old naughty
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"Somebody at the hedge is getting up early these days. "

My sincere thanks to the Tylers.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:45 | 4703723 Oh regional Indian
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Boy ON, somebody defintiely wants war. No doubt.

Like our friend in the thread above.

these little escalation will go on and on, without a big breakout. This is fear factor time all around.

What began with the mysterious dis appearence with all it's esoteric symbolism, the 370....this is long term stuff. It all actually began to unravel in December 2012.


Long cycles and their crushing, un-stoppable momentum...


Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:15 | 4703319 Latina Lover
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Re Shooting of Karkov Mayor:


Your USSA taxpayer dollars at work.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:24 | 4703647 PT
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So soon after posting a comment elsewhere about how much I hate the Russia/Chess meme, now I am the guilty one.  For those who are also sick of the Russia/Chess meme, my apologies in advance, but I could not resist:

1.  Move your piece out of the way.
2.  Block the threatened piece with another piece (preferably one that can fight back).
3.  Attack.



Or perhaps it is time to move onto Command & Conquer - decisions have to be made in real time and you cannot always see everything that the enemy can see.  Fuckit, face it, when you're building real sky scrapers, Meccano is a step backwards.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:22 | 4703327 Flagit
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getting shot for being accused of being a flip flopper?



all pro-putin accounts I'm following are posting against , some of them even accuse him of supporting RightSector -

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:07 | 4703392 123dobryden
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finally revolution is catching the right people...



Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:37 | 4703465 q2ev
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kernes is a jew, he supports whatever on his road to the power. thats why people there not respecting him

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:07 | 4703563 Tengri Temujin
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Is he another appointed politician by the KIEV coup?

The only people that shoot Jews in the back are the Nazis, given that the Jews have aligned themselves with the Neo Nazis so they can steal and loot Ukraine's gold I guess its only fitting.  You sow what you reap.

The Jews in Ukraine will only wake up when the headlines read mayor and wife and two young kids shot in the back while swimming.

Where is the worldwide Jewish community condemnation of the Jewish oligarchs and those in the Coup who are destroying and plundering a nation.

Charity donations always buy silence.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:57 | 4703301 Skin666
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You like death Targaryen?


The fact that winter is coming doesn't mean you should want to see innocent people die.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:06 | 4703309 Haus-Targaryen
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No one likes death. 

I am just a pragmatist.  Perhaps I am more like Sandor Clegane. 

I know that the number of actors on the world stage that have the ability to break this unholy-USA/EU/IMF/Fed/ECB/BOE/BOJ-alliance funded by an ocean of funny money are quite small.  Really Russia, China, and India in a decade or two.  So when I see the opportunity present itself, where some 3rd party could send the Bilderburgers scrambling and losing control of the situation, I tend to support whomever this 3rd party may be. 

So, whether its 3 Dragons and a Naked Blonde, Ancient Aliens, the Teenage Mutant Ninga Turtles or some Eastern dictator named Putin, I am inclined to support them.     

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:14 | 4703318 toothpicker
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Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:09 | 4703398 123dobryden
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...supporting means keyboarding on a website...

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:20 | 4703422 Haus-Targaryen
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Or writing my Congressman, my local German representatives, I try and talk about this Orwellian double-speak which is promulgated by this US/EU/IMF unholy of alliances with anyone who will listen, and I am opening people's eyes to the fraud which is our system.

Our system only works as long as people have confidence in it. When that confidence begins to evaporate is when the thing begins to unravel. I am completely insignificant, but if enough people who think similarly to me do what I am doing, then we, in aggregate, can have a profound impact on things.


Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:16 | 4703320 Skin666
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The USSA and the EUSSR don't need to be destroyed by anyone. They will destroy themselves quick enough. When the dollar and the Euro cracks, it's game over. It will be a repeat of the Athenian Empire, The Roman Empire and the USSR.


This is nothing new under the Sun...


Stand well back with stacks of gold, silver and crypto, and get away from the cities.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:25 | 4703330 Haus-Targaryen
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And while I have no doubt that the USSA and EUSSR will destroy themselves, my fear is it will be later rather than sooner. 

Like any empire in its death throws, the closer it gets to the end -- the more and more dangerous it becomes, not necessarily to outside actors, but to its own populations. 

I know that the current group of elites will do whatever it takes to hold onto power.  They will never relinquish it voluntarily, and our best hope of ridding ourselves of their ilk, is having third party actors do things which deviates from our Elite's story line, for which, hopefully their plans aren't as well thought through. 

I hate war, and would much prefer Russia-China axis to dump $1.4 Trillion in Treasuries in a 3 hour period to bring about the end to this madness.  Regrettably, war is far too profitable for all those involved to forgo a good opportunity for it. 

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:34 | 4703339 Skin666
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We'll have to wait and see. I honestly don't think the Western Powers have enough money for any long scale wars. The First and Second World Wars were financed with the capital accumulated in the 19th Century. That capital has been well and truly squandered in the 20th century on on the Welfare/Warfare State. I think they will collapse not with a bang but a whimper as the USSR did. And soon...

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:47 | 4703349 Haus-Targaryen
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You raise a credited point. 

The American treasury is as indebted now as it was in July of 1945.  Assuming a hypothetical WWIII costs as much as WWII (as a % of GDP) then a new WWIII style engagement would cost the United States around $15 trillion. Without a doubt, it would be less as the Europeans would be contributing (lol) and paying part of it, I imagine that the Control and P buttons on Yellon's keyboard would be doing most of the heavy lifting. 

So funding could come from one of two sources -- lots of printing, which would kill off the Petro-Dollar heremogony, the good ol' US of A could roll out the "Golly Gee, Gee Wiz, 4th of July, Fireworks, Apple Pie and Baseball" schickt and get the general public to convert equities into debt, because, you know, the Fed is good for it. 

But yes, funding it would be a fun one to watch. 

"Oh I know, if North America and Europe could share a currency it would make their effors to fight the Russians that much easier." 

This conflict would financially destroy the United States, yet our politicians still push for it.  It makes me seriously wonder who they are really working for.


Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:57 | 4703372 james.connolly
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The end of history is here,

Sure WW2 had to be financed and FDR was almost broke,

Vietnam busted the USA,... into bankruptcy,

Every since the USA print's USD FIAT to infinite, for free,

All war's since the 1980's have been with free money, and the world has now played along for 40+ years, ... no end in sight.

Belief that the USA pay's for its US-MIL with DEBT, or that is financed, is just like believing in Unicorn's, or Fairy's.

The taxpayer doesn't finance the USA, it is financed by FIAT, worthless nothing, money created from nothing, and only the fear of DEATH keeps the USD alive.

But the USA has proved again and again they will kill anyone and steal anything to KEEP this GIG in operation,


Mon, 04/28/2014 - 10:32 | 4703870 Haus-Targaryen
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Like they did to Gadhafi when he started to demand for his oil in gold?

I really really really hope Putin does the same thing -- but if he does -- I hope his praetorian is better than Kennedy's was.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:00 | 4703376 Ghordius
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utter bullshit. ""Oh I know, if North America and Europe could share a currency it would make their effors to fight the Russians that much easier.""

it's the BRICs who are pushing for a global currency, and this mainly a counterattack to USD hegemony. what you are parroting is probably some garbled rear-guard action regarding something completely different, i.e. the fact that all G20 countries except the US (specifically, the US Congress) are pushing for IMF reform and increase of IMF shareholding

nobody in the US or in the EU is "proposing to share a currency", as far as I know, and for sure we europeans are not going to share the EUR or merge it with the USD

you seem not to realize that the EUR was formed so that our smaller currencies would not have to be pegged to the USD. this is what would have happened without the EUR, including for the CHF and a whole lot of smaller currencies that are now pegged or "floored" to the EUR

further, where does this "fighting the Russians" come from? we want trade with Russia, remember?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:26 | 4703433 Haus-Targaryen
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I would much prefer to trade with Russia as well, but tell that to your leadership, who, depending on your EuroNation (but based on your use of "our" when referring to the EUR and your very good English -- I am guessing Finland or the Netherlands." Either way, if we want to trade with Russia sanctioning them is a great way to cut-off trade, especially over a poorer version of Greece without the Agean. 

That being said -- said smaller currencies need not be pegged to the USD.  For example, the old dMark was not pegged to USD since 47.  If there had been a currency union shared by nations who are similarly economically situated, then you would have the "Neuro" (Northern Euro und auch eine spaßige Wortspiel auf Deutsch) and a Seuro doing very well independently -- however, the EURO was not instituted to "fight the Americans" but was designed as a lubricating mechanisim to ease the continent into a US of E, which is a stupid idea.  It goes back to the "Europe as Disland 'All Europeans are One People Fighting Arm & Arm, Hand & Hand against injustice, oppression, etc., etc.,'" nonsense, which apparently you buy into, hook-line and sinker. 

If you don't think the USA and the EU sharing a currency isn'T some wet Dream of the Bilderburgers, you are very naieve.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:54 | 4703539 Ghordius
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so conflictual. did I write "the EUR was designed to fight the Americans"? just a question: how old were you when currency grids were the common, recurring themes of european financial papers? did you ever read about the 1979 European_Exchange_Rate_Mechanism? Are you old enough to remember when Soros attacked the Pound Sterling?

there are two projects in europe, and both are done despite the US. it's yin-strategies, not yang-strategies. your "neuro" is a confrontational yang-strategy

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 10:18 | 4703814 ThirdWorldDude
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WTFU, Ghordo, your favorite Brusselsprouts are selling out (almost) everything that you believe in to multinational corporations. TAFTA is going to be concluded as soon as this coming winter and it will mean, among other things, moar GMO fruits and veggies, moar hormone-treated pink slime and removal of every environmental law sand barriers concerning watertable and existing wildlife, in order for Europe to be fracked to hell and someone's greed be tamed, if only momentarily...

And there you are, Ghordo, talking about Europe's yin-strategies... So many idiots, so little time.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 10:43 | 4703842 Haus-Targaryen
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Does it matter how old I was? I know I have a whole wall of fucking diplomas that tells me I am competent to talk about the ebbs and flows of money through markets on a macro scale.

I am quite familiar with Soros' attack on the Pound.

My "Neuro" idea isn't my idea, sorry to say, that comes from the AfD, which I am sure you are familiar with. You know -- those pesky Germans who threw the EU Religion out the window, and substituted it for economic pragmatism, and went from 0% to 4,9% of the vote in less than 9 months.

Realize you, as an Austrian, and given the country where you live makes you, statistically more competitive than people a few hundred kms south. There are many reasons for this, and no matter how *BADLY* you want to skim over the cultural differences that have led to massive economic imbalance within the EMZ -- it is there, and unless you want to work until 67 to pay for the French doing your exact same job retiring at 60 -- or having your taxes increase to pay for Greek sewer systems then I encourage you to dislodge your head from the blue and yellow coolaide you are drinking and admit that this yin-strategy of yours is an abysmal failure.

The difference between 2,5% and 0,8% is 1,7% x 15 years -- is a material difference in quality of life, then consider the 500B€ that Germany has given away, then stick that bad boy in your TVM and it tells you how much Northern Europeans have sacrificed (that includes you too) for what?

A bankrupt south that hates you with a passion, skyrocketing energy prices, and the reopening of the Russian front?

The EU, economically, is one of the worst constructs to grace this planet in the past 150 years. I can think of a few others on this scale that were equally as horrible -- the Soviet Union, Weimar Reichs Mark, and Japanese monetary policy for the past 20 years.

I seriously hope, for the country I live in now, that the EU and the EURO with it dies a quick death, preferably overnight -- never to return again, and the continent of Europe can go about its business, and I can use the word "Europe" without having to preface it with "the continent of" to spite a political religion.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 11:18 | 4704026 Ghordius
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stop assuming I'm Austrian if this is what you do with that

a whole wall of diplomas. as Dr. Krugman's, I guess. I have to assume you aren't really interested in debating european FX history, with it's why's and whens

AfD's religion, you mean? I'm wasting my time with you if you cite AfD as your new gospel

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:11 | 4703400 Skin666
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I'll be honest with you, I think that the Neo-Cons and the MIC/NSA Surveillance State are so out of touch with reality that they don't know how capital is produced or accumulated. I honestly think that the Puppet Politicians and TPTB that control them really do think that they can print pieces of paper forever to maintain US Military Hegemony over the rest of the world.

The intellectuals and 'Economist's (in other words paid shills) are also clueless when it comes to basic economics. Apart from the Austrians (and no-one who licks the jackboots of government power would dare be an Austrian) there is no cohesive Mainstream Economic theory of Capital and Interest.

I really think that when they lose control of this monetary shit-bomb that they in all honesty won't have a fucking idea what's going on. Why would you for example sell/lease all your gold reserves to the East unless you infact have absolutely no idea what gold is and means?

I don't even think the Banksters (which are behind every war) understand the difference between money and capital anymore. The more I read, the more I laugh at how utterly clueless these a-holes are!


Mon, 04/28/2014 - 13:40 | 4704531 general ambivalent
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But you forgot to carry the double irrational plusgood exhuberance.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:41 | 4703343 Ghordius
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Jesse of Jesse's Cafe Americain has an interesting sentence I'll attach to the half-baked inanities:

"If Europe had any decency, leadership, and moral courage they would take the US financial system's car keys, sit them down in the kitchen, pour black coffee down their throats until they sober up, and then arrange for an extended intervention. 

And they need to do it because the American people themselves have fallen into a slumber of indifference and denial about what is being done in their name, and how the world sees their elite."

Jesse is American, with his nation's peculiar misjudgment about what options we have, here in Europe. for example ZH would go apeshit if we europeans would do anything even remotely resembling what Jesse thinks would be a decent response from us

patience. it's a virtue, too

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:52 | 4703361 james.connolly
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The FED has been by way of the BACK-DOOR sending TRILLIONS of OFF BUDGET FIAT to INFINITY to Brussels for years now.

The EUROPEANS are so addicted to FIAT MILK from mother FED, that if the back-door were to close all of EUROPE would implode.

The idea that European Elite would quit sucking the USD tit is not even an option, except in the circles where people believe in Unicorn's, not unlike ZH, or Jesse Cafe.

Germany will not allow secret  EURO's to created to INFINITY, thus everybody goes along with Uncle-Sam, cuz its the path of least resisstance,  besides all those USD's to infinite make even war in EUROPE seem to feel painless to the Elite, who can afford to weather the storm in safety.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:03 | 4703381 Ghordius
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this is old propaganda. specifically, the big FED-ECB trillion dollar swap. which was reversed

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:17 | 4703417 Haus-Targaryen
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So we have it backwards, and American banks and states are solvant based upon a sea of liquidity printed into existance at the expense of the "European" population by the ECB?  Wow, missed that headline. 

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:24 | 4703429 Ghordius
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you have it for sure mixed up. remember that the EBC did indeed follow the FED's balance sheet's expansion (and engage in the Big Swap, now reversed).

now the ECB is shrinking it's balance sheet again (since quite a long time) while the FED is "tapering"

further, you seem to categorically misunderstand who was shocked (and who profited for decades) by Nixon's shock

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:30 | 4703439 Haus-Targaryen
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"since" and "further," -- You've gotta be a native German speaker, so we are either at Austria or Germany.  Given Austria is 9 million people and Germany is 80, I will assume you are German from now on. 

The ECB expanded its balance sheet with low interest loans in Feb. of 2012.  Lent out almost 1T€ and super low rates.  If memory serves me correctly it was called the LTRO, or something of the sort -- and as it gets paid back the ECB doesn't recirculate that cash, so their balance sheet would contract, which is the way its supposed to work. 

However, the Fed has printed money, out of thing air, with no intent to take it back out of circulation and lent it to EuroBanks at next to nothing, and then materially impairs said loans.  This was per Bernanke's grilling which one can watch on CSPAN from 10 months or so ago. 

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:40 | 4703471 Ghordius
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assume I'm Austrian, then. and going back to the original comment: "The EUROPEANS are so addicted to FIAT MILK from mother FED, that if the back-door were to close all of EUROPE would implode." what is your take, there? otherwise we talk around the bush. imo a rehash of the old propaganda from the times of the Big Swap

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:50 | 4703510 Haus-Targaryen
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Gibt's einen Unterscheid zwischen Deutschland und Österreich?  Ich dachte, dass Österreich nur die größte Bundestaat Deutschlands ist. (Sorry für mein Ami-Deutsch)


The Fed lends money to EuroBanks.  These banks then lend this money out to whomever, most likely their sovereigns (PIIGS+France) who in turn can use these Spanish/Greek/Italian/etc., etc., bonds, which they now hold as assets as collateral for EZB loans.  If you turn off the source, you return the EuroBanks to the ELA for liquidity so they can support their respective governments, and it becomes public once again who screwed the PIIGS really are. 

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:02 | 4703566 Ghordius
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is Deutsche Bank a EuroBank? perhaps you have to realize that in Germany as in the rest of the eurozone there are three kinds of banks (if you count Landesbanken and similars separately). and no, megabanks are not really attached to any system anymore, they form a genus for themselves

are you familiar to the fundamental difference of how the average european firm funds itself, compared to the US? that financial markets are not the preferred form?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:54 | 4703365 Haus-Targaryen
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The problem is that there will be no "decency, leadership and moral courage" within Europe as long as its leaders force-feed their respective (and independent) populations this "All European Cultures are Equally Valuable" Berkeley School of Sociology nonsense. As long as Europe continues to live in this extended Disney "Its a Small World After All" coma -- nothing will change.

Europe needs to seriously look at itself introspectively before it will ever be able to go toe-to-toe with someone like Obama, much less Putin.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:14 | 4703393 Ghordius
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"All European Cultures Are Equally Valuable" might be Berkeley Shit... in the US

here, it's what we are keeping up as standards. of a compact. what you don't realize is that it's important to us

which is why you see us as a Big Disneyworld. and just makes me wonder what you see, when you are in Europe

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:16 | 4703413 Haus-Targaryen
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I have a laundry list of stats which prove that the Northern European countries are more valuable than the southern ones. Deal with it.

People like yourself prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that, for many, the idea of Europe is not merely a goal or political ideology, but a religion, where you will ignore a plethora of facts that refute your point of view, and focus on talking points.

This compact you talk about was sold to millions of "Europeans" as being a free trade zone, nothing more -- nothing else. Here we are, 30 years on, and why a "free trade zone" needs embassies, its own passports, politicians, parliament, etc., etc., is beyond me.


I live in Germany so my experience with "Europe" is pretty first hand.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:33 | 4703451 Ghordius
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valuable... for whom? you? we europeans have two deals among us. you might call it religion, or stupidity, or whatever. yet they work for us

go in Germany and tell to the people that all foreign workers have to be returned home. come back and tell us what people responded to your words

so we prefer a different, more orderly setup to our free trade zone than what you would set up. perhaps because we put the emphasis on trade instead of free

perhaps you should realize that we don't like globalization that much. it's a common market, not a "let's abolish all trade restrictions on the whole globe" club

we don't want on our shelves any US GMO food - particularly unlabeled - or Chinese garlic, for example

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:54 | 4703478 Haus-Targaryen
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Totally agree, re food.

Value -- based on GDP per capita, trade surplus vs deficit, capital creation, upward mobility of people, reduced divided between rich and poor (within the culture itself, so comparing the wealthiest German to the poorest German, not the wealthies German to the Roma woman who threw dog shit on my car yesterday because I refused to tip her after she cleaned my windshield.)  You know, economic factors such as this.  (I would glady sell that woman into slavery if there was a market for it.  I bought pepper spray and will be visiting the intersection again soon).

See, I assume you are pretty well traveled. So I also assume you have been to the South of Italy, Spain, Greece and even your BEST FRIENDS the French--their capital -- Paris.  Compare these places, to Oberbayern, Schwartzwald, Süd-Hessen, und NRW.  Tell me which one is cleaner/safer, less crime.  

It would be plain suicidal to tell all the foreign workers in Germany to return home. I would get kicked out. However, a "if you do not have a job, skill, trade, profession, education, the ability to speak German, or are independently wealthy GTFO" seems pretty reasonable to me.  

Demographically, Germany is in a huge world of hurt at the moment. It needs to import about 20 million people over the next 30 years to keep its retirement system solvent. The problem is who do you want to import, people who are independently educated, wealthy, or skilled, or people who are none of the above?

See this is the problem with the European project, is you guys refuse to acknowledge that there ARE differences between cultures, and the mixing of the two is not going to make the less successful cultures more successful (see PIIGS + France) but will make the most successful cultures less successful. Compare German annual GDP growth rates from 1970-1998 (ca., 2.5%) whereas after the EUR was introduced its averaged ca., 0.8%

If the EUR had reasonable immigration policies and wasn't on the precipitous of instituting a de-fact trade union within the EMZ to keep a bunch of worthless countries within the single currency, then it would make a lot more economic sense.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:15 | 4703585 Ghordius
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it's in the US, propagating from Berkeley perhaps, that there is this drive to say "there are no differences between cultures"

hell, even the EU motto is "united in diversity", which of course sounds completely different in the US, where both very words have been misused for all kind of things

are you sure you aren't mixing up intra-european migration issues with extra-european migration issues? remember that the EU is only responsible for the first of them

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:07 | 4703582 IndyPat
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Fuck you, Ghordius. You know exactly jack shit about the American people and how we feel.
Get your own fucking army...or pay your fucking gas bill to the Man.
Bunch of fucking assclowns. Don't act like the EU plays no role is this shitfest.

Pay your fucking gas bills or fight your own fucking fight.

Or die.

Zero fucks given here.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:11 | 4703593 Ghordius
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no, I don't know. though I'm quoting an American writing about Europe and the US, and noting that he might misjudge our situation. and you?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:23 | 4703637 fonzannoon
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I heard Jesse got into a fistfight with Jim willie over the weekend at a restaurant and they ended up spilling hot soup all over Jim sinclair who incorrectly blamed Marc Faber and threw his drink at him and missed, hitting Martin Armstrong who then sucker punched Schiff who was sitting at the next table. Simon Black and Michael Snyder were waiting tables at the time and got some good video of it.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 10:06 | 4703777 Skin666
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Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:54 | 4703366 spankfish
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Ahhh... picking ones poison.  Still leads to ones ultimate demise.  Me, my poison would be a warm beach, cold beer and hot 50'ish Latina.  If I am going to perish it will be at the hands of a two legged Ferrari I got no business driving. 

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:31 | 4703440 j0nx
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His name was Horst Wessel. His name was Horst Wessel.Worked once, why not again.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:02 | 4703223 blabam
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European stocks up because more sanctions against they're main energy provider... When does the hurting stop?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:02 | 4703225 Tabarnaque
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A very good article by, well worth reading.

So, after Washington has backed a forcible overthrow of the Ukrainian government by a violent junta, backed that junta in trying to oppress its own people, and basically treated the country like a sock puppet, Secretary of State John Kerry accused Russia of doing all that.

To hear Kerry, all of this has been a sinister Russian plot from day one: Moscow is secretly manipulating Ukraine, Russian anti-Semites are handing out anti-Jewish flyers, RT is a propaganda machine, and there are photos proving Russian troops are on the ground. Except not.

In fact, none of this bears any relation to actual reality. It is pure propaganda. And as Jacques Ellul wrote in his seminal 1962 study, a propagandist doesn’t accuse his opponent of just anything, but of the very thing the propagandist himself is planning to do (or already doing).

For its part, Russia has condemned Kerry’s malingering, and warned Washington to stop playing with fire. But the warnings are unlikely to be heeded.



Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:08 | 4703231 NaiLib
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All the world have to do is to listen to Nulands phone conversation. Skip "Fu-k the EU" and liste to the rest. It's all there. And notice the date... "I think we are in play..." said the ambassador. Sure .

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:14 | 4703240 lakecity55
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Lurch knows propaganda:

"Watch this, I'm throwing my valuable medals over the WH fence, I am against the war!"
HoHoHo Chi Minh! The NLF is bound to win!"
"Wow, did you see that? That Lurch guy had 5 Purple Hearts and 5 Silver Stars!"
"He needs to run for Senate!"

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:26 | 4703260 negative rates
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Not For Long.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:15 | 4703410 BeansMcGreens
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"Lurch knows propaganda:"

Personally I believe he doesn't have an original thought in that big head. He just parrots what is whispered. This is the same old story from the very beginning.

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"
Genesis 3:4

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:25 | 4703258 negative rates
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Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:58 | 4703302 TheSecondLaw
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Thanks for the link.  Good article.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:32 | 4703337 Ghordius
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here an interesting soundbite from Khodorkovsky, the Russian oligarch that was recently released from prison by Putin and is now in East Ukraine (link euronews):

", in the minds of ordinary, normal , very good Russian people, even my friends, my school friends, there is a presumption that power in Kiev has been taken by fascists and bandits. And so when Russia fights them, it does not fight the People of Ukraine, it fights fascists and bandits, which is perfectly acceptable"

my take: what British and American commentators seem to miss most is that Ukraine is now full of different kinds of "agents". of course, you will find "state" agents, yet on both sides you will also find a lot of private agents. aka bandits

on the side of Kiew, nationalists, ultra-nationalists and fascists of various brands. including foreign fascists from all over Europe. the fascist & neo-nazi movements have lots of networks and private sponsors, a phenomenon we were able to witness in action during the break-up of Yugoslavia, where even "shoot-out" tourism started to flourish

on the side of Moscow, the same. unattached or self-organized, not state-controlled and controllable Sons of the Rodina, the New Cossacks

bandits. as I wrote, not under anybody's control, not even by their sponsors, who are similar to the Americans that contributed to the coffers of the Irish Republican Army "because we have to help our connationals in their fights", or those who sponsored the Spanish Civil War on the side of the Republicans and their First International Brigade

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:04 | 4703345 james.connolly
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I take offense for offering Ireland as analogy in your bullshit defense of the USA kleptocracy.

Ireland had been butt-fucked for 100's of years by BRITAIN, deforestation, enslavement of the people, starvation. The IrisH via the IRA stood up and decimatd British political puppets and got the British out of Southern Ireland.

In the case of UKRAINE it had been Russian only a few short years ago, and probably 'the greatest mistake' on many a mind, as we all know, yes its all about 'theft' RUSSIA has invested a ton of real wealth in UKRAINE and everybody wants to STEAL it,

Thus Russia doesn't really have a choice, as if they don't step in to protect their 'investment', then it will fall into the hands of the USA (CIA/MOSSAD), or possibly into the hand's of some NEO-NAZI group, empowering them.

But I call BULLSHIT to associate a COUP and the placement of YAKKY by TEL-AVIV as anything like helping the 'people' of UKRAINE, ... which only a few years ago were 'RUSSIAN'.

The problem is the same people who stole PALESTINE are now stealing UKRAINE, and guys like you are pulling justification out of your ass.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:12 | 4703402 Ghordius
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then perhaps you should read again and more carefully. I offered the funding of the IRA, not Ireland as an example for what is happening in Ukraine

for a long time the IRA was able to convince honest, peaceble Americans of Irish descent of giving some hard-earned dollars for the IRA. fact

in the same way, there is lots of funds for fascists and bandits in Ukraine coming from pro-fascist sponsors all over europe, thanks to their networks. my point

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:12 | 4703599 IndyPat
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Raise an army or pay your gas bill.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 10:27 | 4703856 BeansMcGreens
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You bring up an excellent post, actually two, about the Europeans raising an army to fight their own fights.

They can't, and its because of all the muslims living in their countries are just itching for the chance to take them down.

The Europeans are really as the old expression goes, "Caught between a rock and a hard place".

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 13:56 | 4704596 general ambivalent
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Noticed this as well. A strategy of 'I know you are but what am I?'

Is that a Bible prophecy? Sounds awfully petty and stupid in comparison.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:06 | 4703229 Glasnost
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Best hope he doesn't die.

Franz Ferdinand.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:08 | 4703234 lakecity55
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shot in the back by alciaduh.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:10 | 4703236 CHX
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From informed sources we know it was attempted suicide, as he shot himself in the back while in the water to make "extra sure", yet somehow it still failed. CIA

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:36 | 4703336 james.connolly
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How many Russians will have to die before OBAMA get's PUTIN's soiled underwear?, that is the question, PUTIN could end this all now by just sending a basket of soiled laundry to Tel-Aviv & Wash-DC.

Yakky is playing the bear, ... better hope that Yakky doesn't like to go swimming.

Tit for Tat will go on for while, ... then BathHouse will get his war.

Destroy Russia/Europe, then CHINA has to BUY their OIL from Saudia ( CIA/MOSSAD ), not a bad plan.

My EUROPEAN contacts are all scared shitless that all of EUROPE will be the battle ground for the NEO-CON grand plan to keep the USD king and kill the EURO, destroy Russia, and put CHINA on a leash.

Today in Philipines bathhouse said "I do not plan to contain China", ... hell no they don't plan to 'contain', just keep them on a very short leash, and have them on their knees begging for all oil to come from Saudi.

Remember the MH-370, the MALAY's don't want the CANAL, and now with the PLANE missing and the CHINESE get to put in a new puppet government, there will soon be a CANAL through Malaysia, connecting the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Thailand, short trip to CHINA by sea, best way to deliver SAUDI(CIA/MOSSAD) OIL.

All that stands in the way now is PUTIN, and the EURO.

Destroy EUROPE, destroy Russian GAS/OIL infrastructure,

If I were PUTIN, I would NUKE all the fucking SAUDI infrastructure, and leave the MOSSAD/CIA with Glass and Melted steel everywhere there are refinerys and oil infrastructure in Saudia and all USA/ISRAEL controlled oil lands in the middle-east.

If the CIA/MOSSAD think they can destroy Russia's oil infrastructure, then PUTIN should have a MAD ( Mutually Assured Destruction  ) plan to make that move a "NO-GO".


Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:58 | 4703375 Infinite QE
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Excellent analysis. The crazy orcs want global war. Seems to be part of their DNA. Putin knows what is up and will unfortunately for us and the planet, need to do a first strike to stop the madness.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:18 | 4703626 IndyPat
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...."kill the EURO"....

The EURO was stillborn...and the USD is a Zombie.

No amount of war will change either of those facts.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:14 | 4703241 Kawaii Empress ...
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Sure it was just an accident there was surely a massive fish next to him. Stuff like this never happens.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:16 | 4703243 Sudden Debt
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Well, he was already swimming with the fishes...

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:27 | 4703264 negative rates
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And like who isn't?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:24 | 4703244 savagegoose
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democracy in action, Ukraine style,  wheres  john Kerry?

i should say, its the democracy, Kerry doesn't want Russia interfering with.



Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:27 | 4703265 Tabarnaque
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He's behind the neo-nazis dogs, pulling the cables and giving orders.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:17 | 4703321 GetZeeGold
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wheres john Kerry?


The hippie from the 60's?

I heard he's scouting out new solar farm locations for Harry Reid.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:17 | 4703246 MickV
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As the piece of shit Euro skyrockets in the face of WW3. It's forget everything Monday everyone! Followed by POMO Tuesday.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:19 | 4703248 Global Hunter
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RT was reporting that yesterday there was a lot of violence in Kharkiv from soccer hooligans who had travelled in from Dneproptetrosk, they were allegedly organized by Right Sector.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:19 | 4703324 g'kar
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Red Sector A, Rush (Grace Under Pressure)

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:26 | 4703261 NoDebt
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"Since then, Kernes has flip-flopped under pressure from EuroMaidan activists and the new Kyiv government in order to remain in office."

Yeah, now everyone hates him instead of just one side.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:28 | 4703268 jovius
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The Twitters seems to think he's dead.

This'll end well then...

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:29 | 4703270 vyeung
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MO of the facist US/EU langley gang. If you can't stop em, murder them.

Maybe Obama should put sanctions on the pro-russian wild life in Ukraine too.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:33 | 4703274 IReallyDontCare
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Shot in the back,NATO's style of doing business.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:15 | 4703407 Winston of Oceania
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Because Russians use radioactive poison in tea?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:56 | 4703553 Volkodav
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Didn't happen...Media dumb you down much?

"The Phoney Litvinenko Murder" William Dunkerley

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:43 | 4703279 Moonrajah
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That Kerry-trade sure is pickin' up!

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:44 | 4703280 JustObserving
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The New York Times is lying America into another war as it did with Iraq with the lies of Judith Miller:

The New York Times, the “newspaper of record,” sets the general tone for the media as a whole. The Times boasts of having 12 reporters in Ukraine, yet it provides no serious reporting on what is happening. This is all the more significant given the extraordinary implications of a major conflict between the United States and Russia that could quickly evolve into the first war between nuclear powers in world history.

Over the past two weeks, the Times has been caught in a series of fabrications. Last week, it ran a front-page lead story replete with photographs handed to it by the State Department and the US-backed Ukrainian government purporting to show that Russian Special Forces are directing the protests in eastern Ukraine.

The Times report was quickly exposed as a fraud, including by the WSWS. It took only a quick search on the Internet to expose the so-called evidence as either doctored or fabricated. Subsequent acknowledgements of the “controversy” over the photographs—exercises in damage control and cover-up—have been buried on the newspaper’s inside pages.

Far from being chastened by these exposures, the Times rapidly moved on to its next assignment from the State Department—a front-page article published yesterday alleging that Russian President Vladimir Putin has a secret fortune of between $40 billion and $70 billion. The Times acknowledged in its own article that the allegations consist of “rumors and speculation” with “little if any hard evidence.” That did not prevent it from seeking to legitimize the gossip by elevating it to the status of a prominent “news” item.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:50 | 4703285 Tabarnaque
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Jacques Ellul wrote in his seminal 1962 study, a propagandist doesn’t accuse his opponent of just anything, but of the very thing the propagandist himself is planning to do (or already doing).

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:21 | 4703344 HardAssets
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I've mentioned the Ukraine situation to a half dozen people (all Americans). All painted Putin as the bad guy, None were aware of Nuland & efforts to topple the regime. Propaganda in full force.


I asked another five people about Ukraine and got a puzzled look on their faces. They didn't know what 'Ukraine' is.  American 'education' in full force.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:34 | 4703452 Tabarnaque
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5 Corporations own 99% of North American medias (including Canada). People there are bombarded with BS from 6 am till they go back to bed. The majority of sheeple is just trying to make it through their own lives without the ability to raise their heads and look at the broad picture. The propaganda machine easily lands in millons of soft ears. This is not even mentioning that the power that be has long ago taken over our universities to brain wash the dynamic youth with their idealogical toxic trash.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:43 | 4703485 Canucklehead
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You should talk to people you socialize with, not those you work with.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:50 | 4703287 Fix-ItSilly
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Caught skinny dipping with his mistress?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:55 | 4703295 Last of the Mid...
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Lying pos politician meet gun.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 06:58 | 4703304 Börjesson
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The Americans are almost certainly trying to escalate this thing further. After all, they started it all, triggering the uprising to begin with. Their main aim is probably to shatter the beginning accord between the EU (especially Germany) and the Russians, which was seen as a threat to the crumbling American hegemony, and to drive the EU back safely into the US coat pocket by starting a new Cold War. (Looks like they're doing a fairly good job of it, too.)

The Russians for their part quite possibly want an escalation as well by now, since they can't accept the new Kyiv government. Also, they're probably starting to get more than a bit pissed off with the whole thing. And now that Putin has started rattling his saber, he'll be reluctant to back down for the sake of his home opinion. On the other hand, if Putin actually realizes that the stakes involved are much higher than just Ukraine, then he will try to avoid any further widening of the new rift between Russia and the EU, and work on widening the EU/US rift instead. Though how he could go about that is hard to predict.

As for the locals on both sides, they seem to be completely out of control by now and are running rampage for their own reasons.


So basically, who actually shot this guy is anybody's guess.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:12 | 4703403 Winston of Oceania
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What are the Swedes selling iron to the Russians instead of the Nazi's this time around? Go ahead and trust the most duplicitious people in all the world, except for maybe Gypsies and joos.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:46 | 4703492 Börjesson
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Are you a representative of your national government, and support everything they do? No? OK, fair enough, then I won't hold you accountable for their actions. Kindly extend me the same courtesy.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:11 | 4703316 bentaxle
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BBC are claiming, "More recently he said he no longer backed the ousted president but supported a united Ukraine." And invite comments from those in Ukraine. (BBC,  is a pro-EU NEWS broadcaster.)

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:20 | 4703325 james.connolly
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Shooting a man in the back while he's out for a swim to cool off after running, that smells like MOSSAD. Not the CIA.

My guess is they waited for him to take a swim, and then nabbed his underwear while he swam, had them sent to tel-aviv where have the briefs will go to Netanyahu for sniffing/masturbation, and the other half goes to Obama, Cass Sunstein, and Rahm Emanuel can have a  sniff at the bath-house.

PUTIN warned about this, that if forces hostile to Russian's, that he would have to step in to protect his people, ... Tel-Aviv is playing PUTIN like a fiddle, probably pissed that they didn't get their war in IRAN, SYRIA, ...

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:12 | 4703598 yochananmichael
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mr Nazi,

 the mayor is Jewish  

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:28 | 4703660 IndyPat
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Some Jews really, really enjoy killing other Jews.
It's complicated...but Rothschild money funded those snappy black uniforms...and the furnaces.

You should look into it.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:25 | 4703331 SidKhadak
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US backed elite ‘Rape-Murder’ Alpha Squad captured in Ukraine

The Obama regime it appears has “unconditionally approved” the use of “rape-murder” Einsatzgruppen forces (mobile killing units) against pro-federalization protesters in the eastern regions of Ukraine.

After the German army invaded the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941, a new stage in the Holocaust began. Under cover of war and confident of victory, the Germans turned from the forced emigration and imprisonment of Jews to mass murder.

Special action squads, or Einsatzgruppen, made-up of Nazi (SS) units and police, moved with speed on the heels of the advancing German army.

Their job was to kill any Jews or Communist sympathizers they could find in the occupied Soviet territory. Some residents of the occupied regions, mostly Ukrainians, Latvians, and Lithuanians, aided these German mobile killing squads by serving as auxiliary police.

These mobile Einsatzgruppen killing units acted swiftly, taking their targeted population by surprise. The killers entered a town or city and rounded up all Jewish men, women, and children. They also took away many Communist party leaders and Roma (Gypsies).

Victims were forced to surrender any valuables and remove their clothing, which was later sent for use in Germany or distributed to local collaborators. Then the Einsatzgruppen members marched their victims to open fields, forests, and ravines on the outskirts of conquered towns and cities where they raped women and young girls, then shot them, or gassed them in gas vans, and dumped the bodies into mass graves.

Evidence regarding these new US-backed Ukrainian Einsatzgruppen “rape-murder” squads, was obtained by pro-federalization forces in eastern Ukraine who a day before captured three of these feared killers who were conducting a covert mission in Donetsk region.

Read full report here 

US backed elite ‘Rape-Murder’ Alpha Squad captured in Ukraine
Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:49 | 4703355 kurt
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Sherman! Set Your Way Back Machine

This tool is conflating ancient history with current events. SidKhadak is a Shitball!

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:37 | 4703468 Canucklehead
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I can't comment on the "Rape-Murder" Alpha Squad, but I truly hope they didn't pee on anything or anyone. That gets some of the American population extremely upset. Peeing in a warzone promotes global warming and is considered by many a war crime.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:45 | 4703347 kurt
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Something even more rotten than this is coming. This whole thing is to keep Putin busy while Syria is being returned to the stone age. Then Iran. Nobody wants a 2 or 3 front war so Nutland and company are only doing what a good war mongering puppet should do. They're keeping Putin occupied.

Why are the most western-like Arab countries targeted? Seems like somebody has a run away case of paranoia and persists in using George Kennan's "Inherent Bad Faith Model" wherein the reasoning is: they are my enemy, period, and they must be up to something rotten. So I have to beat them to the punch.

Doesn't anybody realize YOU MAKE YOUR ENEMIES?

"A kind word turns away great wrath."

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 07:55 | 4703371 Infinite QE
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They're creating what they call the `Greater Israel'. Well documented.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:34 | 4703455 Canucklehead
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They're creating what they call the "Civilized World". Well documented.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:52 | 4703516 Infinite QE
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LOL. Israel and civilized in the same sentence. Ha. That's a good one.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:33 | 4703449 Canucklehead
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Russia has no meaningful interest in Syria or Iran.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 09:36 | 4703695 IndyPat
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This statement has my vote for "Troll post of the century".

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 14:13 | 4704665 general ambivalent
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Word is that the IDF was heavily influenced by a French Philosophy book entitled A Thousand Plateaus (Same authors as Capitalism and Schizophrenia). The short of it is basically a strategy of swarming, multidimensionality, and war by go strategy (the game go, which is much more suitable to multi-front strategy than chess).

Isn't this precisely what the US has been doing? Organising militant groups allows them to swarm the enemy on multiple fronts while not fully committing its own troops. The militants become a surrogate. (Of course, the downside is uncontrollability and the possibility of other nations employing the same strategy.)


"The IDF’s strategy of ‘walking through walls’ involves a conception of the city as not just the site but also the very medium of warfare – a flexible, almost liquid medium that is forever contingent and in flux."

"I conducted an interview with Kokhavi, commander of the Paratrooper Brigade, who at 42 is considered one of the most promising young officers of the IDF (and was the commander of the operation for the evacuation of settlements in the Gaza Strip).2 Like many career officers, he had taken time out from the military to earn a university degree; although he originally intended to study architecture, he ended up with a degree in philosophy from the Hebrew University. When he explained to me the principle that guided the battle in Nablus, what was interesting for me was not so much the description of the action itself as the way he conceived its articulation. He said: ‘this space that you look at, this room that you look at, is nothing but your interpretation of it. […] The question is how do you interpret the alley? […] We interpreted the alley as a place forbidden to walk through and the door as a place forbidden to pass through, and the window as a place forbidden to look through, because a weapon awaits us in the alley, and a booby trap awaits us behind the doors. This is because the enemy interprets space in a traditional, classical manner, and I do not want to obey this interpretation and fall into his traps. […] I want to surprise him! This is the essence of war. I need to win […] This is why that we opted for the methodology of moving through walls. . . . Like a worm that eats its way forward, emerging at points and then disappearing. […] I said to my troops, “Friends! […] If until now you were used to move along roads and sidewalks, forget it! From now on we all walk through walls!”’2 Kokhavi’s intention in the battle was to enter the city in order to kill members of the Palestinian resistance and then get out. The horrific frankness of these objectives, as recounted to me by Shimon Naveh, Kokhavi’s instructor, is part of a general Israeli policy that seeks to disrupt Palestinian resistance on political as well as military levels through targeted assassinations from both air and ground."

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:02 | 4703377 Chuck Knoblauch
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Putin better rustle up a sniper group.

If he doesn't have one, he better get one soon.

This guy was shot by a sniper.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:05 | 4703383 Winston of Oceania
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Likely one of Putin's since this guy went all wishy-washy as of late. As if the Russians don't already have one, come on Chuck you can do better than that for Mother Russia can't you?

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:14 | 4703406 Chuck Knoblauch
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Hopefully, one of the ass clowns from Eric's nursery school eats a bullet soon.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:08 | 4703394 smacker
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Somebody is getting desperate to trigger a West -vs- Russia confrontation...

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:15 | 4703411 Peterus
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So what? Someone has shot some prince in Europe, well not a prince this time it was mayor ... who cares?

I'm actually living in Poland and in draft age ( I'm 27 - I guess they'll call 18-30 or sth like this). In case SHTF, if WW3 brews from this, I would prefer South America, but will probably settle on running to Norway or Finland.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:34 | 4703414 JDFX
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The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives . Zbigniew Brzezinski


from the above ....      '...Why the fate of Ukraine and Azerbaijan are so important to America.'


It's the ' end game ' , and the west are putting putin in check. Every move Putin makes, will be met with the West driving towards Check Mate, resulting in  effective managment , of Russia, China .


These next 2 years ?  will give us the final result as the moves play out. 


Just some simplistic thoughts.


Its now, or risk stonger opposition to control .  

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:16 | 4703415 danko2050
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He isn't pro-russian. For South-East he is a traitor

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:17 | 4703418 atthelake
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War is very profitable for banks, the Military Industrial Complex and American politicians. The de-population faction is, also, an issue.


A war with Russia, caused by American paid stooges is unlikely to be only local. If I had the money, I'd build a bunker and stock it with fuel, food, drink, meds, organic seeds and supplies. 


Most Americans, including me, are soft and not capable of living a war-torn life.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:20 | 4703421 Iam Yue2
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A Franz Ferdinand moment.  Probability of Civil war now trading at 65%.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:26 | 4703434 Mr. Delicious
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Funny. He doesn't look "Ukrainian."

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:52 | 4703524 highwaytoserfdom
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Lakecity55      "shot in the back by alciaduh."     AL  CIA DUH!!!!!      We need to get these neo-con turds de funded.....


Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:52 | 4703526 Eyeroller
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Don't forget that MAY DAY is Thursday.  For those of you too young to remember, it was a huge Soviet Union holiday with endless military parades aimed at bullying the West.  Everyone keeps saying Russia will invade Ukraine at the end of May to stop the scheduled elections, but I think May Day is foremost on Putin's calendar.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 08:54 | 4703535 zipit
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Raise that false flag, Vlad and Co.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 11:28 | 4704050 shovelhead
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Why shouldn't the US support the new Ukrainian govt.?

They have so much in common.

Mon, 04/28/2014 - 12:03 | 4704148 El Vaquero
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It appears that this kind of brutality is not limited to the Right Sektor:


Pro-Russians kidnapped this guy, and he was found drowned and evicerated.  It's Eastern Europe.  When the gloves come off, the gloves really come off.  If I were a foreign reporter in Ukraine, now is about the time I'd be thinking about getting out of there.  If this progresses, which I think it will, this is going to get really ugly, on both sides.

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