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China Slams US Over Russian Sanctions; Warns "Will Escalate Tensions"

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Having previously called Russia a "good neighbor, good partner, and good friend," it seems increasingly clear that the West faces not just Russia but China too as it brings more sanctions to bear. As The BRICS Post reports, Beijing announced its support for a beleaguered Moscow, calling on all parties to resolve the crisis, and warning that they "believe that sanctions are inconducive to the solution of problems. On the contrary, they will escalate tensions."

 

As The BRICS Post reports,

Beijing announced its support for a beleaguered Moscow after the US and Canada announced fresh sanctions against Russia for it’s alleged “inaction” in easing tensions in Ukraine.

 

In a public signal of increasing Sino-Russian cooperation, China called on all parties to resolve the Ukrainian crisis through dialogue rather than sanctions, Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said Monday.

 

“We believe that sanctions are inconducive to the solution of problems. On the contrary, they will escalate tensions,” he said.

 

It is not in line with any side’s interests to impose sanctions, he added. “We call on all parties concerned to continue dialogue and negotiations so to resolve the crisis in a political way.”

 

Qin told a daily press briefing that China has been in touch with all relevant nations, including G7 nations, since the Ukrainian crisis erupted, and made clear the nation’s stance on the issue.

Hardly reassuring for all those 'believers' that US businesses will remain unaffected as sanctions are ratcheted up

Beijing’s support for its ally comes ahead of a strategic visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin to Shanghai next month where he will hold talks with his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping.

 

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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:09 | 4708075 Xibalba
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With a dunce like Kerry managing talks, must be bullish

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:16 | 4708113 outamyeffinway
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A sign of our weakness is that we always rely on force.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:24 | 4708163 Oh regional Indian
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I think Xibalba means the Neighs have it...

Horses

ori

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:35 | 4708245 I am more equal...
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There is no upside to selling more crap to the US.  China and Russia alliance makes more sense.  Russia has oil/gas and China can produce consumer goods for Russia.  China no longer wants IOUs.  TNote, etc. are worthless. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:45 | 4708324 Serfs Up
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That's the sign for the scumbag banksters to jam the stock market and sell gold.

You know, because freedom.

/My time.  It is coming.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:57 | 4708375 V in PA
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 "believe that sanctions are inconducive to the solution of problems. On the contrary, they will escalate tensions."

 

No Shit! That's the whole point.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:46 | 4708655 Four chan
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red china turns is slaves on us, thanks nixion.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:27 | 4708532 Volkodav
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Exactly...Russia see it that way...

chine don't exactly respect how US does IOU while know they are next on plunder list...

 

 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:24 | 4708165 Manthong
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The unnatural born citizen better be careful.

The Jim Rickards financial war scenario is a real possibility if we have shipped enough gold to China for them to feel adequately hedged against their rapidly depreciating Treasuries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvmhBO99I4

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 07:40 | 4711258 fallout11
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China is very politely telling the US to STOP being idiots. Yet no one is listening. This road is a dead end.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:24 | 4708171 pods
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I think banana girl is gonna need more than a selfie to counteract this one.

Man when we step in it, we step in it.

pods

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:22 | 4708151 El Vaquero
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Kerry is not managing the talks.  They stick a carrot up his ass so that he'll move his lips and do a voice over.  A horse is a horse of course, of course.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:29 | 4708203 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Kerry's hoof-in-mouth disease is getting worse.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:04 | 4708409 ParkAveFlasher
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  • CHINESE PREMIER: WHY YOU SEND KERRY?  THIS NO YEAR OF HORSE!  RMAO
Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:32 | 4708555 mccvilb
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Oh oh. Is this a chink in Obama's armor?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:21 | 4708808 Colonel Klink
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Actually it's about 1.351 billion.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:43 | 4708296 Renewable Life
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Sanctions are an American right of passage!!!  Its the ultimate act of junior high bullying, when you dont "like" something or dont get your way, you want to "punish" the "bad people" not giving you your way!!

In Acedmia, this is explained as sociopathic behavior, unless your Country is doing it, then of course its called politics!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:26 | 4709274 pot_and_kettle
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Lately I get this Game of Thrones image:

 

The U.S. is the retarded and enraged 7 year old boy still sucking at his mother's ( let's call her Ziona ) teet while demanding that she MAKE THE BAD MAN FLY!!! 

 

" MOMMY - I COMMANDED VLAD TO FLY AND ALL HE DOES IS SIT THERE AND LAUGH AT ME! "

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:10 | 4710056 StychoKiller
Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:11 | 4708441 thunderchief
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The USA is now officially taking it in both ends.

Lets crash gold some more. The Russians and Chinese need some more free shit.

If you do that Janet, they may throw you a box of kleenex to clean yourself up when their done.

But I wouldn't.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:50 | 4708547 Seer
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Right, TPTB are going to be sending a complete dunce.

It's all shaping up JUST as I've predicted.  When one isn't blinded by Party Pussy shit it's quite easy to see it all line up...

TPTB KNOW that they need to get business back to the US in order to calm the brewing discontent.  ALL that you're seeing helps "bring back the jobs."  It gives cover to allow all those companies to return to the US.  And the BONUS is that we'll all be sold on this as a BIG WIN, when what it's doing is to subsidize Big Corp's relocation fees: change is inevitible, and it was always only a matter of time before China's environment turned for US/West interests there.

Sorry, these folks are thinking WAY above you (and most).  Just because you cannot make sense out of it all doesn't mean that what they are doing is based in stupidity.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:34 | 4708573 drendebe10
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"A horse is a horse, of course of course..."  

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:44 | 4708638 Silver Bug
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Once again the West blunders and move China closer to Russia. Does anyone actually believe Kerry is the man for the job??

 

http://jamesturkblog.blogspot.ca/

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:10 | 4708077 Obama_4_Dictator
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Buy...Buy...Buy...Buy.....stocks love this!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:15 | 4708106 FieldingMellish
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What do stawks not love?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:11 | 4708086 Theta_Burn
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Well done Unorganizer in chief

Another well thought out strategy with desired results

 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:13 | 4708087 X-defiler
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Amazing, Fucking POTUS! Why the fuck would we be screwing with our total manufacturing base without an exit strategy? Cause he is the worst president ever!!!!!!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:12 | 4708089 Duude
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China was encouraged by Russia's move into the Ukraine because it made China's own expansionist goals to territorial islands of other nations to its East easier to see happening. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:14 | 4708096 J Pancreas
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Barry's getting played like a fiddle while he caresses Reggie's stinkpipe with Moochelle's anal beads. Yes we can!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:06 | 4708418 ParkAveFlasher
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+1 for "stinkpipe" alone

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:18 | 4708489 Volkodav
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stupid post

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:15 | 4708109 Truther
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Beam me up Scotty.... There is no intelligent life in the USSA

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:16 | 4708116 TheMeatTrapper
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I guess this means no more rides into space for the US since we rely on the Russians for that. Wonder how our astronauts on the space station are going to get home? Maybe they can thumb a ride. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:23 | 4708154 WhyWait
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Or the Russians could insist on payment in Rubles, Renminbi or gold!

Or if they want to get really in Obama's face they could add Iran's Rial to the list!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:28 | 4708195 earnyermoney
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There's always GRAVITY.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:00 | 4708720 Seer
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Or the 9/11 "hijackers."

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:32 | 4708226 TheFourthStooge-ing
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If Vichy DC makes things any worse, US military personnel will be hitchhiking home via the Khyber Pass.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:16 | 4708117 Wile-E-Coyote
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Well that de-escalated didn't it.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:18 | 4708124 LawsofPhysics
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I really wish the world's banking cabel would get some new writers.  The script for all this kabuki theater has really gotten stale.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:24 | 4708162 loonyleft
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Why change something that works so well. 

Just as the left right paradigm is still alive and kicking (see posts above laying it solely on Barry's shoulders), so too is the 'Russian Communist threat'.

I haven't spoken to people on the street, and I don't watch MSM news, so I may be wrong, but I will bet besides buying time, the Geneva accord is to gather support in the US. By making the accord and then pointing out all the times Russia has broken it, it reinforces that they are the aggressors and it doesn't matter how many times the US has. It is to convince those already convinced about Russia that they need to do more, ie, send weapons and more. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:33 | 4708221 LawsofPhysics
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Perhaps, the problem is the current level of faith the world has in the U.S. and the dollar, especially given the recent track record relative to the U.S. actually enforcing the "rule of law"...

John Corzine, is that you?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:38 | 4708265 earnyermoney
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LOL.

People are waking up the our hypocrisy. See Syria for the last failed attempt. Libya looks a lot like Iraq so what is working so well?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:46 | 4708323 LawsofPhysics
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Indeed, but at the end of the day, I have no doubt that the true power brokers around the world are all on the same page.  it's simply far too easy for them not to be.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:16 | 4708473 Volkodav
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Nyet

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:08 | 4708755 Seer
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Yup.  I think they all know that it's all heading (back) to regionalism.  All are up against Mother Nature.

In the US TPTB are setting the stage to get eveyone to accept paying for corporate move-backs to the US.

Europe is going to have a lot of shuflfing to do.  The US not so much: pretty good geographical arrangement plus two neighbors that are fairly compatable.  Middle East will be interesting, as usual.  The really odd ducks out are Japan, South Korea and Australia.  Oh, and Russia and China will cement relationships.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:19 | 4708126 Pooper Popper
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Youa betta leave Russia lone

Ara we poka you witha sharpa shtick!!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:20 | 4708141 Itchy and Scratchy
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Checkmate for the Kenyan I'm afraid!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:22 | 4708147 Zymurguy
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Putin has warned of a significant counter to our sanctions.  Could China and Russia debt holdings be manipulated/sold/dumped/??? and crush our monetary system?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:55 | 4708360 PeeramidIdeologies
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You are on to something there, but it's a bit more complex then a quick smash and grab. There are many pawns to be moved about the board and you better believe those boys are aiming for check mate. Unfortunately for us, our "leaders" obviously have little to no experience with game theory other then "hulk smash". It's quite painful to watch.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:34 | 4708572 therover
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Yup...the Grandmasters, even when playing a patzer, will never attack with just one piece and only when mostly all pieces have been mobilized/developed.

Chess at that level is a game of space and time and the determination to utilize multiple tactics to achieve a strategic goal.  

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:11 | 4708777 Seer
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I'ts PAPER.

While everyone is going to suffer from a big hit on paper-work, Russia, Canada and the US will suffer the least, as they are the top PHYSICAL resource countries in the world.

The US can, it will eventually have to do it anyway (empires don't last forever), just pull out from around the globe and return to a fairly cozy home, protect it's borders and let the rest of the world handle the costs for policing the world.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:22 | 4708149 TheRideNeverEnds
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Bullshit, the only thing that will escalate is the S&P. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:23 | 4708156 TheSecondLaw
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I suspect China is also utlising the opportunity to give Japan, which also joined the let's-sanction-Russia-party,  the finger.  Quite a merry party it's becoming.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:13 | 4708781 Seer
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Japan is soon to be that naked bather standing in the drained tub...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:23 | 4708158 cherry picker
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I am getting tired of .gov and the administration.

They are assuming costs and alienating other countrie, for what and by whose authority.

They should disband DC starting at the Whitehouse and start over, the way the founders envisioned it.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:40 | 4708615 drendebe10
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Gummint.gov:   ctrl-alt-delete, ctrl-alt-delete, ctrl-alt-delete

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:26 | 4708178 q99x2
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There is no USA without China. Come back Xi the US will have another TOTUS in a couple of years. If you don't recognize the NWO military industrial complex as the US how can the people that live within the boarders of the US believe that there is a USA. Don't leave me Xi. The global military/financial NWO needs you. You won't have to meet with Hillary if we put her in as the next TOTUS. Honest.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:27 | 4708192 q99x2
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BTFD the FED is really going to have to bribe the Washington D.C. politicians now.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:57 | 4708701 DonkeyCoyote
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USA might be better off when we don't have any clothes or cell phones that China makes for us. It will be a big naked party with actual human contact.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:28 | 4708194 TheMuppet
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Muuaaha-ha-haaa, Beltway nitwits!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:28 | 4708196 Itchy and Scratchy
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Oh yeah! Just wait until Asst Sec of State Victoria Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan finds about this!

She'll be so mad & all you 'slanty eyed' guys will be in sooooo much trouble after she FU's you too!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:30 | 4708208 Uncle Remus
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That's gonna leave a mark...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:39 | 4708266 intric8
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You tell em china! I hope they soon present a fucked up twist for the west, something that the u.s. warplanners and their judean ear-whisperers never saw coming

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:44 | 4708309 Rising Sun
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The fucking communists are on the loose!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

LMFAO!!!!!!

 

Watch out for the floating dead pigs.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:50 | 4708342 Itchy and Scratchy
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Ok Kenyan. Yur move!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:57 | 4708356 DavidC
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Can someone explain today's index moves please?

Bad figures, escalating Ukraine tensions, China coming out on the side of Russia, and the Dow is up over 1/2 a percent, NASDAQ up 3/4 of a percent, etc.

Seriously, I am at a loss on this.

DavidC

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:10 | 4708439 PeeramidIdeologies
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I'll take a guess. The "market" as it's called, is being used as a proxy for the state of affairs in America. Seemingly random gyrations, within a normalized scope would indicate that things are business as usual. Even when they aren't. Although for that to be true the market would have to be under someone's complete control. Ha. Ha. Aahhhh but that's not possible...

So that's just a guess lol

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:22 | 4708511 elwind45
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Everybody has convinced themselves that this back and fill is the big one! Time after time people believe that everything is flat or at a loss because they want an easy entry point for a ALL OR NOTHING TRADE or smart money strong hands are and have been buying the dips created by mere scents of panic or smarties buying call by selling puts or you expect outcomes based on opinionsxfighting the Fed or there is now massive deflation because you bought a house at the top again or or the Fed caused the original meltdown before it even was a Central bank and now lives elegantly AT YOUR EXPENSE?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:27 | 4708834 Aussiekiwi
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Bad news is always Good news in todays financial markets.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 12:56 | 4708368 bardot63
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After reading many of these comments, it's clear to me many don't understand that a war with Russia/China is exactly what Obama wants.  He will be assisted by a willing military, a willing media, a willing CIA/NSA, a willing banking cabal and 45% of this nation's braindead voters.  He has only two years left to finish destruction of the USA, and a planetary war will be just the ticket he needs, whether that war is military or economic or both.  Destruction of the USA, as founded, has always been his dream. Obama is not feckless, he is not an amateur, he is not a bumbler.  He is pushing this nation in exactly the direction he wants.  Whether the USA wins or loses, he wins.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:06 | 4708419 Savvy
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Not about Ukraine at all is it? Balls-to-the-wall currency war and Oblahblah has no choice. Without the fossil dollar, the US is bananano today. And Putin is dismantling it piecemeal.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:20 | 4708501 Omen IV
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you are wrong !

there have been too many obvious mistakes and false starts for there to be a grand war plan

Germany will not - under any circumstances - go to war -the USA is stymied

Ther germans are the natural partners to the Russians and so are the chinese - OBAMA is driving them to a unified front - the germans in the street, unions and industrialists have the same position - Merkel only has the banks on her side - the banks are BK all over europe - only hold left of US federal reserve

we are in the midst of tectonic shift!!!

 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:36 | 4708584 elwind45
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Can I get a red pill for later comrade?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:37 | 4708594 elwind45
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Can I get a red pill for later comrade?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:56 | 4708700 elwind45
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The last part about holds is backwards! The BK European banks own the Fed and your income passing thru makes BK well BK. This whole game of printing money is bullocks because YOUR INCOME IS WHY THEY DONT HAVE TO SOLVE SHIT Over in Europe? You have a job that pays them to continue living off of YOU and its justified by something like "if we printed that much and only spent it here IT WOULD CAUSE INFLATION? SO IT PAPERS OVER EURO DEFLATION! A deflation that pushes assets to STRONGER HANDS!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:06 | 4708747 Omen IV
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nonsense - income doesnt keep the banks in play - the balance sheet does - when the Fed gives them enough loans to keep up the liquidity in the face of busted loans that cant be collected - the Fed keeps them in business with defacto equity in the form of fed  loans

they dont need cash flow positive - US individuals or corps don't keep European alive - france/ Italy / Spain  Banks and countries are alive with Fiat currency transferred by the Fed

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:49 | 4709983 bardot63
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What makes anyone believe the Germans won't fight against the US.  We've wiretapped their leaders  and their citizenry, we've stolen their gold, we have flooded the world with worthless paper money, and Vickie Nuland was recently heard on tape saying 'fuck the EU', moments before the Obama/Hillary/Kerry regime engineered the revolt in Ukraine.  And, last century, we beat their asses in two world wars.  Why should Germans side with the USA?  Obama doesn't need an obvious grand plan.  He wants the destruction of this nation.  For that , he only needs to invite our enemies inside the gates.  Details are not his strong suit. He doesn't need 'obvious mistakes and false starts."  By "driving them (our collected enemies) to a unified front," he achieves exactly that. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:29 | 4708846 Seer
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Ha ha!  Another person that actually believes that the POTUS isn't a puppet!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:30 | 4709910 bardot63
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You just have to treasure all the Obama apologists.  You can get up now.  I know when I'm licked.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:19 | 4708494 MFL8240
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Dump the US bonds and our dollars and let these bankers fail!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:43 | 4708633 elwind45
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Never ever ever never going to happen NEVER EVER

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:21 | 4708809 Seer
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Yeah, never say, um...

All fiat currencies die.  All empires die.  History makes it pretty clear.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:51 | 4708918 Canucklehead
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Any thoughts on what "will" happen over the next 6 months?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:34 | 4708574 elwind45
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Right after the meltdown managers had their pick of securities YTM of 60-70% any and everyone was encumbered overnight! Every security was in trouble by price but the underlying assets were still golden? If your think managers are going to throw in the towel on 60-70% coupons and triple capital gains you fuckers are nuts! Get used to buying less REALLY

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:35 | 4708581 drendebe10
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Gum flappin over and over and both sides.... as if any side will do anything significant.... except maybe just more gum flappin.... flapflapflapflapflap...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:44 | 4708637 CHX
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Good luck EUSSA, your sailing thru increasingly troubled waters.  

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:56 | 4708685 Bryan
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...and the market goes up.  Unbelievable.

 

Edit:  Oh yeah.  It's Tuesday.

 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:49 | 4708910 Canucklehead
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The market goes up because the USA is playing the bad cop.  China looks to play the good cop.  With capital fleeing Russia, Russia is being delivered to the Chinese.  The Chinese will take Russia under their wing and politely work a few deals.  At any point, China can put distance in their relationship with Russia and Russia will be the bad guy.

Russia knows this is how the game is played.  Russia does not care.  The world wonders if the Ukraine can survive as a whole.  The Russian elite wonder if they can survive as a whole.  Russia only places value on Russia.  The rest of the world does not count. 

China understands that its role in the world leans towards it being a global policeman, similar to the USA and Britain.  That means they get to be the good cop in dealing with Russia.  China needs to spread it's wings for the benefit of all mankind.  I'm certain the actions of Russia is generating discussion within China.  The Chinese will understand how to deal with Russia so that Chinese interests are enhanced.  Russia, by itself, cannot deliver value to China.  Trading off Russia, at the right opportunity, can generate a great deal of value to China.

Let's see how things turn out.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 13:55 | 4708691 Gyoza Mimi
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Since China supports Crimea's decision to self-detrmination, I suppose, it is time to open up discussion about referendums in Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang about which country they want to stay with.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:27 | 4708836 Seer
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"I suppose, it is time to open up discussion about referendums in"

That's up to those people.  This WILL happen, though.  Rather than some total, global unification ala NWO (someone call up George H.W. Bush and tell him his claim that it WOULD happen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g] seems to be suffering problems), it's going to be regionalization.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 14:54 | 4708929 Joe A
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This shit is getting scary now.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:19 | 4709061 earleflorida
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'China and Russia through the chaotic prism of destiny ,have a 'Rainbow of Prostrated` Symbiotic`Servitude' for one another?'

Both began with tumultuous civil wars at the cusp of the 19th,-- 20th century.   *(Qing Dynasty // Romanov Dynasty) 

Strange bedfellows[?]: "The Russo-Japanese War" 8/Feb/1904 -- 5/Sept/1905    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War 

The Japanese won... what, was supposed to be a suicide mission against the mighty Russian Empire. The Russian's would not forget, but, it opened up the realities for a Bolshevik revolution down the road at an opportune time?

The Russian's during [concurrent?]the Two (separate)-Chinese Civil Wars were now fast becoming the people's choice for a fledgling communist Bolshevik's party. With WWI still raging they were now fighting their own Civil [1917-21] War. The sad fact that 20 million lives were lost in Russia's civil war, brought on by war, an untimely famine and the usual filthy epidemic that always follows carnage-- not to forget the millions that just fled the country. There was an empathy for the Chinese communist people after the Bolshevik's defeated the Tsar!

Ironically Stalin funded both the Nationalist Party[Chiang Kai-shek] & the soviet Chinese Party [Mao Zedong] making the war protracted to help itself in WWII against Japan whom had aligned with Germany as did Russia partially in the beginning. Strange shit happens in war?!?

Needless to say Russia lands on the winning side in WWII and Stalin does Truman a favor by signing the 'Potsdam Declaration' for Japan's surrender. Stalin agrees and amasses ~1.5 million troops on the Manchurian border and invades Aug.9,1945 the day the 2nd H-Bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, Japan. The war with Japan ends Aug. 14, 1945. Russia frees up China from Japan and the real Civil War begins with Russia giving much of Manchuria back to China and Mongolian territory back to a newly independent Mongolia a year later.

Stalin now helps the soviet-Communist with logistics, weapons, and military training. Needless to say the soviet-Communist under Mao Zedong wins, and the Communist Party of China [CPC} is created. Note: Stalin disliked Chiang and was furious that the USA, British, wanted to Bring China's Nationalist Party into the Big Three, making it the Big Four. Stalin boycotted the UN- San Fran Treaty because of the USA's partiality to Nationalist Chiang Kai-shek. The Nationalist were bannished from China's mainland to Taiwan (Formosa) now known as the Republic of China (ROC), forever (???) enemy's of communist China, but never used in the same lanuage/terminology as China's hatred for Japan!!! 

On China's 28th (1949) Anniversary celebrating Communist China-- Chairman Mao had this to say about Russia: 'If there had been no Soviet Union, there would have not been a Chinese Communist Party'.      Modern History Source Book: Mao Zedong:: 'The People's Democratic Dictatorship' (6/30/1949)           http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1949mao.html       

This is how deep they go? But, there are times neighbors all  must grow-up? Not necessarily outgrow each other?  "The Sino-Soviet Split"   (1956- 1966-69)

http://www.marxists.org/subject/stalinism/origins-future/ch3-1.htm

Bonus: The Japanese wanted the 'WHOLE" of China, not just Manchuria/ Mongolia and the Korea's... they eventually wanted it all, an were brutal to the Chinese people. Treated worse than farm animals, as 3rd class (Jap's, Korean's, Han`serfs) caste-aways?-- as the free world looked on and did nothing!!!  

'Chinese Civil War'    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/chinese-civil-war.htm  

The only country that helped was Russia... and China will forever be greatful, period! For what it sees now is all to reminiscent of what surpression Japan had put them through.

jmo

thankyou Tyler

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:10 | 4709218 ncdirtdigger
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It's Bush's fault!

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