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Five Stunning Facts About America's Prison System You Haven't Heard

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Submitted by Sean Kerrigan via SeanKerrigan.com,

We’ve done several exposés on the prison system in America, including The Prison System Runs Amok, Expands at Frightening Pace (Sept 6, 2012) and Selling the American Dream is the Biggest Market of All (Sept. 30, 2013), but there’s still much more to be said about this topic. America’s massive prison system is creating a long list of unintended consequences, some of which will effect all of us in the coming years. To help explain just how bad things have gotten, we’ve compiled this list of the most stunning facts and statistics on the America’s prison system today. 

1) Because of its prison system, the US is the only country in the world where more men are raped than women.

According to the 2011 report from Department of Justice, nearly one in 10 prisoners report having been raped or sexually assaulted by other inmates, staff or both. According to a revised report from the US Department of Justice, there were 216,000 victims of rape in US prisons in 2008. That is roughly 600 a day or 25 every hour.

Those numbers are of victims, not instances, which would be much higher since many victims were reportedly assaulted multiple times throughout the year. Excluding prison rapes, there about 200,000 rapes per year in America, and roughly 91 percent of those victims are women. If these numbers are accurate, this means that America is the only country in the world where more men are raped than women.

Even if the number of unreported rapes outside of prison were substantially larger than most experts believe, the fact that many victims in prison tend to be raped repeatedly would indicate that rape against men is at least comparable to rape against women.

Kendell Spruce was one such inmate, sentenced to six years for forging a check for which he hoped to purchase crack cocaine. In a National Prison Rape Elimination Commission testimony, Spruce said:

“I was raped by at least 27 different inmates over a nine month period. I don’t have to tell you that it was the worst nine months of my life… [I] was sent into protective custody. But I wasn’t safe there either. They put all kinds of people in protective custody, including sexual predators. I was put in a cell with a rapist who had full-blown AIDS. Within two days, he forced me to give him oral sex and anally raped me.”

Spruce was diagnosed with “full blown AIDS” in 2002 and died three years later.

2) There are more black slaves in America today than in 1850.

This sounds outrageous. How can there be more slaves in America today than before the Civil War? First, consider there are more black men in prison today than there were slaves in 1850, according to Michelle Alexander, an Ohio State law professor, who cited the last census immediately before the Civil War. This comparison not account for changes in population, but the statistic is accurate in terms of sheer numbers .

Next, consider the 13th Amendment to the constitution which reads:

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

Note there is an exception to the otherwise total abolition of slavery. Those suffering “punishment for a crime” can still be constitutionally enslaved. In other words, everyone convicted of a crime is at least potentially a slave.  The Supreme Court has not ruled on whether or not they technically are slaves, but practically it is obvious they are.

Slavery has different definitions, but almost all include the following characteristics: 1) A slave is forced to work under threat of physical or psychological threat. 2) A slave is considered owned property, an asset or commodity which can be sold. Finally, a slave has restrictions on their liberties, including freedom of movement. Right or wrong, a US prison inmate easily meets this criteria.

Prisoners can be denied communication with their fellow inmates, or forbidden from voluntary associations including union membership. Obviously, they are denied their freedom to leave the prison, but they are also forced to work unpaid or for extremely low wages. Prisoners are effectively being bought and sold to private corporations who are using them as cheep labor for private gains. There is also a market for younger and healthier prisoners because their healthcare cost make them less expensive to hold. Private prison contracts allow the transfer of prisoners to state run institutions.

If this is not slavery, then what is?

3) Solitary confinement, widely used in American prisons, is regarded internationally as torture.

This form of punishment has become increasingly common in the US since it was introduced as a part of America’s then new “Supermax” prison system which began growing in the mid-1980s. Prisoners held in solitary confinement are typically kept in a small, windowless cell for 23 hours a day, with minimal access to lawyers, family and guards. The number of prisoners currently in solitary is estimated to be around 80,000, though the number is growing faster than the overall prison population, indicating the method is becoming increasingly normalized.

Solitary confinement is used against a variety of offenders, including those picked up for immigration violations, which is a misdemeanor or the legal equivalent of a reckless driving ticket. Others are placed in solitary confinement “for their own protection” since they may be a target of other violent inmates. There are few regulations prohibiting its use or duration.

The Sun Times reports that Former US Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who is currently serving a prisons sentence for breaking campaign finance laws, was removed from the general prison population and placed in solitary confinement for 5 days after “advising other inmates in North Carolina about their rights in prison, according to the source, who said a guard took exception to that.”

Human rights groups have called the practice torture. The Center for Constitutional Rights argues:

“Researchers have demonstrated that prolonged solitary confinement causes a persistent and heightened state of anxiety and nervousness, headaches, insomnia, lethargy or chronic tiredness, nightmares, heart palpitations, and fear of impending nervous breakdowns. Other documented effects include obsessive ruminations, confused thought processes, an oversensitivity to stimuli, irrational anger, social withdrawal, hallucinations, violent fantasies, emotional flatness, mood swings, chronic depression, feelings of overall deterioration, as well as suicidal ideation.”

This was known as far back as the 1890s, when the Supreme Court originally ruled on the practice. They noted then:

“A considerable number of the prisoners fell, after even a short confinement, into a semi-fatuous condition, from which it was next to impossible to arouse them, and others became violently insane; others still committed suicide, while those who stood the ordeal better were not generally reformed, and in most cases did not recover sufficient mental activity to be of any subsequent service to the community.”

Despite this admission, the practice itself wasn’t ruled on and the method is still used today.

4) The food served in prisons is often stale, moldy, under-cooked, unhealthy and scarce.

In the 1940s, prison food used to be good, offering a wide variety of options. Today, they call it “shit on a shingle.” The reality is not much worse. State budget cuts and the trend to privatize prisons and prison services has substantially cut food variety and quality.

Incentives to cut costs exist at the institutional and individual level. In Alabama, state law allows law enforcement to pocket leftover funds after feeding prisoners provided they can still provide for their basic needs. The incentive to cut on quality and quantity resulted in the arrest and sentencing of Morgan County Sheriff Greg Bartlett who kept over $200,000 in funds intended for prisoners. The judge concluded that Bartlett had failed to provide “a nutritionally adequate diet.”

In April 2008, 277 prisoners at Florida’s Santa Rosa Correctional Institution became sick after eating chili. The Tampa Bay Times repoted the Philadelphia based food provider, Aramark, “landed the state contract in 2001 and is currently paid $2.67 per inmate for three meals a day. It serves about 60,000 inmates across Florida and contends it has saved the state $100-million in food costs.” The chili story is not an anomaly; it has been repeated across the country including New Jersey, where Aramark also provides meals.

This video shows some of what prisoners in Alabama are forced to eat — rotten and  uncooked meat. It’s difficult to hear, but skip to 0:59 to get a good view of what the meat looks like.

Even when the food isn’t rotten, that doesn’t mean it is particularly appetizing. Occasionally, the food tastes so bad that it has been considered “unconstitutional” in some states. States like Illinois and Pennsylvania feed inmates a food called “Nutraloaf,” a mix of raw vegetables shaped like a meatloaf.  In this video, the staff of the Glens Fall Post Star newspaper taste test the block of food. They conclude, “One bite is one thing, but if you have to live on that, that is awful.”

Sickness and hunger are a common and increasingly accepted part of being a prisoner in America. In addition to stale and rotten food, servings are often extremely small. Truthdig columnist Chris Hedges quotes a prison inmate who said, “You could eat six portions like the ones we served and still be hungry. If we put more than the required portion on the tray the Aramark people would make us take it off. It wasn’t civilized. I lost 30 pounds. I would wake up at night and put toothpaste in my mouth to get rid of the hunger urge.” Read the rest of Truthdig’s expose for more.

5) Many prisoners are forced to work real jobs for private corporations, forcing down wages in the rest of the economy.

While cheap sweatshop labor is becoming increasingly common across the country, no one takes better advantage of the system than prisons.

Alternet reports that almost 1 million prisoners are doing simple unskilled labor including “making office furniture, working in call centers, fabricating body armor, taking hotel reservations, working in slaughterhouses, or manufacturing textiles, shoes, and clothing, while getting paid somewhere between 93 cents and $4.73 per day.” They continue:

“Rarely can you find workers so pliable, easy to control, stripped of political rights, and subject to martial discipline at the first sign of recalcitrance — unless, that is, you traveled back to the nineteenth century when convict labor was commonplace nationwide….  It was one vital way the United States became a modern industrial capitalist economy — at a moment, eerily like our own, when the mechanisms of capital accumulation were in crisis.”

Compare the cost of less than $5 a day with the cost of a minimum wage worker at $58 a day and you begin to see the perverse influence on the entire labor market.

CNN Money reports that prison inmates are now directly competing for jobs in the rest of the economy, and employers are finding it increasingly difficult to keep up. Lost jobs are the result. They cite one company, American Apparel Inc., which makes military uniforms. They write:

“‘We pay employees $9 on average,’ [a company executive] said. ‘They get full medical insurance, 401(k) plans and paid vacation. Yet we’re competing against a federal program that doesn’t pay any of that.’

[The private prison] is not required to pay its workers minimum wage and instead pays inmates 23 cents to $1.15 an hour. It doesn’t have health insurance costs. It also doesn’t shell out federal, state or local taxes.”

The new influx of cheap, domestic labor will inevitably drive down wages for both skilled and unskilled jobs.

 

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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:10 | 4709441 Dr. Engali
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I saw the number five and I immediately thought it was an awful short list for Snyder. It looks like we'll get treated to two lists today

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:14 | 4709454 Soul Glow
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Great, now Karrigan is making lists.  Please someone tell these guys nobody likes lists.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:25 | 4709507 naughtius maximus
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5 reasons people are fed up with lists

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:28 | 4709521 James_Cole
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there are more black men in prison today than there were slaves in 1850, according to Michelle Alexander, an Ohio State law professor, who cited the last census immediately before the Civil War. This comparison not account for changes in population, but the statistic is accurate in terms of sheer numbers .

Facepalm.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:50 | 4709593 BandGap
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I taught at a historical black college for a year and a half. At the time, there were 6X as many black men in prison as there were in college in the state (Ga.). Tell me what has changed.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:21 | 4709871 acetinker
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Morehouse?  Morris Brown?  I am always amazed that nearly all the students there are female.  Fuckin' shame.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:03 | 4710244 jbvtme
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"the vilest deeds like poison weeds bloom well in prison air. it's only what is good in man that wastes and withers there".  oscar wilde

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:20 | 4710317 0b1knob
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#6 -Jon Corzine has never seen the inside of a prison.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:47 | 4710418 nmewn
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And likely never will, however, there are different lists ;-)

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:28 | 4711181 Tom_333
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Free Jon!

 

Join the Free Jon campaign. Your campaign contribution is appreciated.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 04:40 | 4711096 ugmug
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I lived in a neighborhood that quickly became a ghetto. These blacks and Latinos ALL live and behave exactly like they do while they were in prison. This post is a joke!!!!!

When these bastards become high and drunk (every hour) they rape anything that moves...and they force everyone living near them to work for nothing cleaning up their trashy life as they trash the neighborhood and their apartment.

Whoever thinks this fucking stupid article will gain sympathy with people who KNOW these fucking prisoners better rethink this stupid shit. Prisoners are treated TOO GOOD while in prison because when these fucking bastards get out of prison they treat everyone else far WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!

People in the ghetto view prison as a career goal! Go stand next to any group of blacks or Latinos at a subway station or bus stop and you'll be shocked how these people view prison and the justice system as a recreational sport!

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 04:59 | 4711111 New World Chaos
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So I guess American prisons contain no innocents, hippies, debtors, black people locked up for minor stupid shit, whistleblowers, political prisoners, and people who assaulted a cop's ego.  Guess it fits.  We already know there are no bankers or war crimminals in prison.  So everyone must be a gangbanger.

Read the book "Three felonies per day".  That's how many crimes you commit per day without even knowing it.  The only reason you're not in jail is because you have not personally attracted Sauron's ire... yet.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 05:12 | 4711127 ugmug
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You're the typical moron who has never lived around these innocent prisoners. Have you ever watched a whole neighborhood become unlivable simply because people with no capacity to live a civilized life FORCE their way in using dumb ass people like you as a battering ram...........

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 07:15 | 4711213 Againstthelie
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Ugmug,

I agree, that many people have no clue about the scum that exists.

But that doesn't mean the US prison system is the only way to treat them.

Look at the German concentration camp system. No drugs, no violence. Political inmates were living side by side with criminal inmates. They used inmates, called Capos, that were responsible for security and that nobody was harmed. And these Capos were held responsible. Hierarchy and authority. Just like everywhere in life.

Who is responsible for a correct behaviour of inmates in the plutocratic prisons? There are the ones that are outside and all inside are an equal mass - without strict rules and an enforced hierarchy, it's obvious that the biggest scum will rule. Is that sane? That's EVIL.

Also the possibility of physical labour outside for healthy inmates, contrary to be indoor and imprisoned, also reduces aggressions.

And what is the sense behind the US prison system? Do people learn respect? Discipline? Order? No! Those that are not severe criminals that go in, come out as professional criminals.

In a concentration or labor camp system the Germans had, every inmate is put under a kind of military education.

 

I find it funny, that the result of the demonization of the Nazi system, the good things are kept out of any rationale discussion and extremely bad things are cemented as only alternative.

 

And that's not the only aspect of the US prison system that sucks. Just look how sadistically slowly prisoners are executed! It makes me angry. I wish any of these bastards that make these sadistic ways to kill legal, would receive this kind of "humanity"! Instead of a quick shot in the head, or a guillotine, they are expanding the torture sometimes over hours! From this aspect alone you can see, that this system is truly perverted and sadistic.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 07:44 | 4711265 ugmug
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To me any academic philosophical argument is nothing more than watching people tack on gobs of muscles in a gym without having any other purpose than  to enhance the person's vanity. These vanity intellectual causes such as prison reform are like watching someone building up muscles in a gym while receiving  government entitlements, the muscles are for vanity only and will never serve humanity in any appreciable manner. Humanity can, and will, spiral out of control once the fear of retribution is removed.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 09:55 | 4711691 HardAssets
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To get at any kind of truth, an argument has to be based on evidence & logic. Conclusions need to go beyond the emotional. "I see scum wrecking my neighborhood. So, there should be even more people locked up in prisons, and conditions in them should be even worse."

I haven't looked deeply enough into this topic to form a truly informed opinion. But something doesnt seem right when there are more people in prisons in so-called 'free' America than in Communist China with triple our population. Imprisoning so many people hasnt made American streets a safe paradise, either. Something just doesnt seem right.

PS - and I'm not some liberal thumb sucker, either. As a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, if any scum tried to hurt me or my family I would use the amount of force required to stop them.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:42 | 4712728 ugmug
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Truth is allowing stupidity to be used to as a solution. Reality is looking at life as it is, not as it should be. Make up your mind which one you want, fact or fantasy.

Why wouldn't all these other nations with exlemplary recitivism of their prison populations take all of our prisioners off our hands and make them valuable citizens of their own country. I'm sure we'd throw in a weeks worth of drugs, booze, and condoms. What could possibly go wrong?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:06 | 4712678 markpower49
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Poor people should be culled. They are poor due to their own pathologies.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 09:09 | 4711499 Dark Space
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Why the facepalm?

The statistic doesn't seem accurate by sheer numbers either. In 2011 there were 2.3mm total people (all skin tones) incarcerated in either federal, state, or municipal facilities. In 1850 there were a total of 3.2mm slaves, so the data seems to be misprepresented.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 09:47 | 4711676 SeanJKerrigan
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You need to consider that there is also house arrest, ankle bracelets, forced work outside of prison and other forms of control which are expanding rapidly.

EDIT: If you include ALL forms of correctional supervision (including parole), it's well over 6 million.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:00 | 4711781 HardAssets
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Do you have a link to your stats ?  I agree that we must always be accurate in figures cited, or it hurts our argument.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:31 | 4711185 Tom_333
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Yeah - though the area he is addressing is interesting and deserves attention. After all - who believes that slavery ever went away...

It has just transmuted into criminal slavery , chattel slavery...you name it. I am even beginning to think that DHS and TSA are there to administer slave training more than anything else. Don´t get uppity , now.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 09:02 | 4711202 ugmug
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The simple mind will forever confuse freewill with free reign. Only wild animals have both freewill and free reign which is why they are animals. Intelligence recognizes that to live a civilized life one must differentiate between freewill and free reign.

Even in the story of Adam and Eve it highlighted the fact that mankind was given a commandment by God while the animals weren't. This highlighted the fact that as far back as mankind's recorded intelligence he realized the difference between freewill and free reign.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:57 | 4712016 Tom_333
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You need to be strip searched and abused. You obey and comply with instructions you say...yes that´s why you need to be strip searched , probed and abused. What a cunning plot to try to pass yourself off as civilized and compliant. Tell-tale signs that you have something to hide. And by the way...the news are that there is a fee for this , now.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:07 | 4712687 ugmug
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You have never had an asshole just released from prison, given an apartment by a fucking social agency in a decent neighborhood, and then have the bastard get high and terrorize the neighborhood with a rifle. You moron bleeding hearts make me sick.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:12 | 4709457 Pladizow
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#1 There arnt enough bankers in them!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:43 | 4709573 vie
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If only bankers were black, they'd be in jail in no time!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:22 | 4710772 wee-weed up
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Most blacks are not in the "tribe"...

But Obozo and Holder definitely are!

And they deserve to be in prison more than anybody!

What a fucked-up USA we live in now!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:24 | 4710781 0b1knob
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Thas ray cyst.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:27 | 4710786 TBT or not TBT
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One of the Fannie/Freddie pair of GSE'S had a highly paid black honcho. Don't recall that evil fuckers name and kinda don't want to.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:24 | 4710960 francis_the_won...
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Franklin Raines......and yes, he's a crook.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 04:03 | 4711078 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' usually turn critical/furious when they see a negro behaving the 'american' way.
Nevertheless, they turn critical or furious not because of the 'american' way but because a negro behave that way.

Behaving the 'american' way is reserved to the a priviledged part in humanity. And 'americans' do not consider negroes should be part of it.

In the end, it will turn that negro 'americans' who happen to be bankers will be sent to jail while the other 'americans' who happen to be bankers will keep dancing around.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 04:56 | 4711117 Poor Grogman
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As unemployment grew in England, and an industrialising economy reduced the need for labor. People turned to petty crime to survive.
You could face "transportation to the colonies for life" for stealing a loaf of bread. That is if you survived long enough in a stinking "prison hulk" made from a decommissioned warship.

By the way, what WILL the US do with all those old warships?

Long prison hulks...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:59 | 4709790 kchrisc
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Am I the only one that says that the banksters go directly to the guillotine--"...do not pass go."

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:01 | 4710035 glefnet
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Haha, in good company here. Glad to see all the up votes. Adding to the list of insane facts about us prison/surveliance? as of 2012, 3.75 percent of the population or 1 in every 27 adult americans was under direct government supervision (i.e. terrorist list, parole, emprisoned, etc), and when the main cores list is added to the mix it becomes about 1 in 15 americans.

Again too bad there aren't more bankers indeed.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:24 | 4709497 Al Huxley
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Same here - I was already mentally prepping a Snyder-appropriate comment when I clicked the link.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:47 | 4709586 rubiconsolutions
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Re: number 5 - It's a myth that slavery was eliminated in this country. Read the 13th amendment. It say in part -

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

In other words, if you are convicted of a non violent crime, say, having a blunt in your possession then you become a slave in the prison-industrial complex. For "Negroes" (as Donald Sterling would say), the venue has changed from the cotton fields to the manufacturing facilities in prisons. And the fact is that people are profiting big time from this slavery. America has a larger percentage of people in slavery than any other country in the world.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:14 | 4709664 besnook
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i don't care what anyone else thinks. "negro" is a much more elegant, honorable word than "black".

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:46 | 4709750 CH1
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i don't care what anyone else thinks. "negro" is a much more elegant, honorable word than "black".

Agreed, Besnook. "Negro" had a bit of dignity to it.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:35 | 4710388 Chuck Walla
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What's wrong with "colored"?

 

 

Ein Volk! Ein Barack! Ein Reich!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:20 | 4710548 Flagit
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everything.

from the worlds most transparent government.....Executive Order declaring all crayons are to be Transparent.

the Communists quest to destroy the American industrial infrastructure begins with the Color Wheel.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:38 | 4710814 TBT or not TBT
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It's the C in NAACP.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:59 | 4712041 HardAssets
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I'll glady call people by whatever name they prefer

You like 'Sam' rather than 'Samuel', 'Robert' rather than 'Bob' ?

(And my Dad hated that they called him 'Sonny' as a kid.)

No problem, that's your preference.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:01 | 4710485 nmewn
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On this ass wipe Donald Sterling...Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (a negro, a black man, whatever) pretty much knocked it out of the park as far as I'm concerned (not being much of a basketball fan, excuse the cross metaphor there...lol)...

"So, if we’re all going to be outraged, let’s be outraged that we weren’t more outraged when his racism was first evident. Let’s be outraged that private conversations between people in an intimate relationship are recorded and publicly played. Let’s be outraged that whoever did the betraying will probably get a book deal, a sitcom, trade recipes with Hoda and Kathie Lee, and soon appear on Celebrity Apprentice and Dancing with the Stars.

The big question is “What should be done next?” I hope Sterling loses his franchise. I hope whoever made this illegal tape is sent to prison. I hope the Clippers continue to be unconditionally supported by their fans. I hope the Clippers realize that the ramblings of an 80-year-old man jealous of his young girlfriend don’t define who they are as individual players or as a team. They aren’t playing for Sterling—they’re playing for themselves, for the fans, for showing the world that neither basketball, nor our American ideals, are defined by a few pathetic men or women."

The entire article is worth reading, the man is swinging his bat (again, oh never mind, ain't goin there) and bustin everybody's chops...

http://time.com/79590/donald-sterling-kareem-abdul-jabbar-racism/

An Honorary ZH Member if I ever saw one ;-)

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:27 | 4710581 Flagit
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i often wonder where we would be if these basketball, football, and hockey fans would stop and turn that attention to the state of the union and ask their elected representatives what they "actually did" yesterday rather that watch a bunch of overfed gladiators dance around.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:40 | 4710640 nmewn
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Well, they do have the attention of the "unwashed masses" so if any of them can string together a few paragraphs as Kareem did, they could certainly get OUR point across.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:41 | 4711191 ImGumbydmmt
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logged in just to up vote that. that is exactly what we need. The unwashed massed must awaken.

Nothing will change until it looks like Greece or the Ukraine on the DC congressional lawn.

However as I write that I am thinking the problem with that, or any uprising, is the ones who will take the most action are time and again, the ones who hope to gain the most reward.

Now I am off topic, but

Either they are ambitious freelance sociopaths and/or thay have the backing of the elite as the replacment guards for the nut house,

Time and again we see the movements to replace regimes co-opted by the same sort of quislings which the uprisings are trying to do away with,

Congress critters, judges, etc, just do what they do, just a few are in the hands of the elite directly, the rest are just pawns of a range of corporate lobbies.

A few are truly evil and/or dialed-in to the elite's wishes. examplas include H i t l e r y and O b o z o  ,This is evident by action and sound bites, the h i t l e r y presentation on the C o u n c i l on F o r e i g n R e l a t i o n s was an eyopener to me.

C F R and U N are among the conduits to achieve the elite's ends on the earth. To see this woman who was so bold and arrogant in the green dress turn a dour expression to R Paul during the B e n g h a z i hearings and exclaim "what does it matter"   But also be so polite and submissive to the authority of the C F R tells us everything about the chain of command.

Until you cut off the heads, above C F R, those with epic generational dynasties in the shadows we will get the same result no matter how much blood runs in the street.

H i t l a r y, O b o z o, B a n k f i e n, D i m o n, H o l d e r,  ALL clowns in the circus I tall you, if they are bood off stage by the masses, T P T B will sweep them away and replace them with the next act of puppets.

Now if you could tell a man with a rope where to find an R K fella or an R child or a B Berg, then you can get something done.

otheriwse we are all just pissing in the wind.

blowback will get us all a bullet or a  f e m a train ride eventually.

and that is why i rarely post.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 07:02 | 4711214 nmewn
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When the time comes (sometime shortly after showing up on the lawn and cleaning house) the "collective we" are going to have to have a long discussion about "law" and what its purpose is.

From Vaclav Havel's The Power of the Powerless:

If an outside observer who knew nothing at all about life in Czechoslovakia were to study only its laws, he would be utterly incapable of understanding what we were complaining about. The hidden political manipulation of the courts and of public prosecutors, the limitations placed on lawyers' ability to defend their clients, the closed nature, de facto, of trials, the arbitrary actions of the security forces, their position of authority over the judiciary, the absurdly broad application of several deliberately vague sections of that code, and of course the state's utter disregard for the positive sections of that code (the rights of citizens): all of this would remain hidden from our outside observer. The only thing he would take away would be the impression that our legal code is not much worse than the legal code of other civilized countries, and not much different either, except perhaps for certain curiosities, such as the entrenchment in the constitution of a single political party's eternal rule and the state's love for a neighboring superpower.

But that is not all: if our observer had the opportunity to study the formal side of the policing and judicial procedures and practices, how they look "on paper," he would discover that for the most part the common rules of criminal procedure are observed: charges are laid within the prescribed period following arrest, and it is the same with detention orders. Indictments are properly delivered, the accused has a lawyer, and so on. In other words, everyone has an excuse: they have all observed the law. In reality, however, they have cruelly and pointlessly ruined a young person's life, perhaps for no other reason than because he made samizdat copies of a novel written by a banned writer, or because the police deliberately falsified their testimony (as everyone knows, from the judge on down to the defendant). Yet all of this somehow remains in the background. The falsified testimony is not necessarily obvious from the trial documents and the section of the Criminal Code dealing with incitement does not formally exclude the application of that charge to the copying of a banned novel. In other words, the legal code-at least in several areas-is no more than a facade, an aspect of the world of appearances. Then why is it there at all? For exactly the same reason as ideology is there: it provides a bridge of excuses between the system and individuals, making it easier for them to enter the power structure and serve the arbitrary demands of power. The excuse lets individuals fool themselves into thinking they are merely upholding the law and protecting society from criminals.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:33 | 4713851 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Awesome quote, thanks.  If you left out who wrote it, it could be describing the system in this country as well.  The "law & order" types (mostly high authoritarian followers) always wax upon the evils of "commies" without irony, that if they really looked at themselves in the mirror that they are pretty much the same.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:37 | 4714048 nmewn
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Very astute, it was meant as a warning to all...including "law & order commie" types ;-)

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 08:23 | 4711281 matrix2012
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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:20 | 4710770 daveO
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Sounds like he's mad he won't be profiting from the hostile takeover.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:03 | 4714130 Flagit
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"We didn’t steal the cake but we’re all gorging ourselves on it."

 

nice job Kareem. pull up a keyboard, take a load off, and stay a while.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:17 | 4710762 daveO
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Like most Spanish words. Mucho Gusto.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 09:07 | 4711486 HardAssets
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I can't stand 'list' articles, and often ignore them

I'm glad I didnt ignore this one. I learned a lot.

And I'm apalled at what I learned.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:09 | 4709444 Xibalba
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Looks like nothing has changed in 300 years.  Queeny is happy.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 03:58 | 4711074 AnAnonymous
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Things have changed.

Now this is an 'american' world.

There are many, many big differences. So many actually. 'Americans' have created a veil to hide the reality of their system.

One, for example: 'americans' often harp on a supposed dichotomy between freedom and security, that freedom and security are decoupled.
If existing, it should be observed in their society.
'Americans' consider deprivation of freedom their way of punishing people (when they do not consider removing life as a punishment)
So those prisoners are in a low state of freedom.
Does it spell security? It does not look that way.

'Americans' also blamed the king's justice for forcing people to confess crimes they did not commit. It was bad.
'Americans' solved the issue with self indiction. No matter what, when self indicting, somebody is guilty no matter what.

How does it play in connection with prisons? Because prisons are used as a means of pressure in bargain pleas. Either you confess that crime or you go in jail for some time. Prisons are that nice places that people might consider twice between sticking to their non guilty status or accepting to confess a crime they did not commit.

The difference here is that the executioner was hired by the King and that the King took responsibility for the actions of his executioner.

And there is where 'americans' improved on the King's way: they set an environment like an 'american' prison is and use it as leverage. They wont do it, they just send you to prison. What happens to you is the responsibility of the other prisoners. They keep their hands clean. No responsibility at all.

That is why 'americanism' appeals so much to the criminal elements in any society. 'Americanism' is paradise on Earth for them.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:10 | 4709448 Soul Glow
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Legalize it!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:45 | 4709582 Ignatius
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#7 -  "They can't keep drugs out of prison and they look in your ass." -- Doug Stanhope

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:37 | 4709936 MachoMan
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Tried to swing a jury on a 1983 case i got appointed to with this stuff...  turns out the guards who allegedly abused my client were also allegedly getting drugs into the prison...  brought in a guard that had been fired to testify...  swore that he was fired for searching the other guards when they entered the prison and that they were hiding drugs in their shoes.  Of course, this had little to do with the case other than the general premise that the guards didn't give a shit about the rules.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:16 | 4709451 Newfie
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Let's free them all and fill the prisons up with bankers.

*EDIT* Leave all the rapists and killers with them.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:44 | 4709576 vie
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Wouldn't that be some sweet irony.  Bankers and crony capitalists getting raped by the system they created.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:44 | 4709964 Nehweh Gahnin
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And after a few dozen of those rapes, I'm thinking we'd better throw 'em in the hole, for their own protection.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:45 | 4709580 JuliaS
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It's not worth spending the money on. I side with George Carlin's proposal of bringing back public beheadings.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:50 | 4709771 Things that go bump
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Those would be quite messy, you know. Bodily fluids spraying all over the place would make for a dangerous environment both for the headsmen and the sports fans. One in 10 don't die instantly of the shock and then you are treated to a bodiless head blinking and trying to speak without lungs (for a little while). That might have worked for Odin, who carried Mimir's head around in a sack and often had conversations with it, and it might have worked for Al Swearengen, in Deadwood (I've always wondered how many caught that reference in the show, it is rather obscure, and I hadn't connected Swearengen with the Odin myth until he started talking to that Indian's head), but I doubt if it would work for you. Hanging is altogether preferable. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:43 | 4710407 Overfed
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I'm perfectly fine with ropes and lamp posts for banksters, politicians, and their enforcers.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:53 | 4710690 Xanadu_doo
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Bloody good fun, I say!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:59 | 4709621 Greenskeeper_Carl
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imagine the irony. A person who has been raping the dollar and the economy for all of their working life getting LITERALLY raped for the next 20 years. Unfortunately they go to different prison, the one for the ultra wealthy

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:22 | 4711173 negative rates
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It's called prison for the rich lowbrow.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:17 | 4709468 Manipuflation
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6)  Prisoners on the outside are required to produce ID on demand, purchase health insurance and must submit to routine search and seizure by the state. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:21 | 4709485 cougar_w
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... and don't even get a free cot and three squares a day.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:37 | 4709726 ILLILLILLI
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...and three squares of Soylent Yellow a day.

Tuesday is Soylent Green day...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:19 | 4709479 Stoploss
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Fukushima needs workers.

Pretty much all the time.

 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:19 | 4709480 cougar_w
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Stunning Problem #6: Jon Corzine is not in prison.

But I fixed that and fed the mo'fo to a tiger:

http://fedtoatiger.blogspot.com/2014/04/jon-corzine-is-fed-to-tiger.html

Madoff is of course in prison (that anyone knows for sure) but I fed him to the same tiger just for spite:

http://fedtoatiger.blogspot.com/2014/04/bernnie-madoff-is-fed-to-tiger.html

Fuckkit, who needs prison anyway.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:26 | 4709510 Dr. Engali
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Ooh...Ooh do me next ...do me :)

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:33 | 4709544 cougar_w
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send me your resume'. if you're bad enough, consider it done.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:35 | 4709547 Dr. Engali
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Lol... BTW, I think you did a good job capturing Corzine's assholiness.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:06 | 4710051 cougar_w
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assholiness

First step toward being canonized into the realm of immortal assholes?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:21 | 4709486 Seize Mars
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What a fucking nightmare. This country is absolutely a medieval hellhole.
I'm ashamed of this shitty place.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:30 | 4709530 davidalan1
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meanwhile, youre tv is on in the background whilst your computer burns your legs...lights are on, plumbing? Transportation? money?  food?...yeah enjoy it while it last...soon squirrel meat will be a luxury...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:44 | 4709574 Soul Glow
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Squirrel meat isn't a luxery?  My friend in Detroit would disagree.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:54 | 4709605 SunRise
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not entirely - People here seem to understand the crux of the problem, so there's at least that much hope; assuming, that their venting doesn't relieve their need to act

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 22:16 | 4714679 TheReplacement
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Nah, we are past the point of soft landing this turd.  It's gonna hurt a lot but then again it could be painful too.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:06 | 4709644 naughtius maximus
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Squirrl bits on a stick is a delicous

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:48 | 4709760 davidalan1
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and sooo easy to skin...get enough pelts...you can knit a blanket

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:19 | 4711851 Bollixed
Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:56 | 4710010 MachoMan
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Don't have much faith in the legal system to help you out either if you're the victim of abuse in prison...  it's increasingly more common for federal courts to appoint attorneys (from the whole pool) for cases that deal with constitutional rights (expanding the traditional sphere from only criminal defense).  The applicable standards are virtually impossible.  To make matters worse, the prisoner is most often pro se and ruins his case before the person who could help can get a chance to start swinging his dick around.  They'll even have "prisoner-lawyers" do brief writing for the abused...  total nonsense.  I saw quite a few meritorious claims go by the wayside with a failure to exhaust administrative remedies set up by the prison...  basically, create an endless maze for the prisoners to exhaust and ensure they don't get a day in court.  It's all nonsense.  The courts are posed with the decision of holding guards accountable through a lengthy trial process or dismissing the claims outright and going fishing...  guess which one gets picked.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:22 | 4709488 QQQBall
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Dear V.,

 

Don't take any instagrams with prisoners.

 

Signed

D.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:23 | 4709491 CannoncockerUSMC
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Private prisons are a disgrace, there is a built in profit motive to do everything you can to get prisoners to reoffend while in prison. And remember the Pennsylvania judge who was railroading kids into a private prison for kickbacks? Think of the horror some of these kids went through, some were innocent, some not, but all railroaded for profit. The very idea of the State outsourcing its duties like military service to contractors or private profits does not sit well with me.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:31 | 4709535 cougar_w
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Oh man I am totally gonna feed that fucker to the tiger ...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:56 | 4709610 Flakmeister
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Can you feed Anthony Watts as well while you are at it?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:07 | 4709642 Dr. Engali
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Uh oh. Somebody left the man made global warming reservation therefore they must die. Sounds like the practices of a fundamentalist.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:43 | 4709745 Flakmeister
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Very simple, I have an issue with people that are demonstrably mendacious...

You should as well....

BTW, blow it out your ass....

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:00 | 4709793 Dr. Engali
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Wow you're very uptight tonight. I apologize if my ribbing got under your skin.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:03 | 4709811 bombdog
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What about fucking dicks like you can we throw you to the tigers?

http://www.acting-man.com/?p=30013

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:14 | 4710525 nmewn
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Another attempted thread diversion gets stuck in the pack ice, how appropriate ;-)

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:28 | 4710794 Flakmeister
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Calling that a thread diversion is on par with "damning with faint praise".....

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:41 | 4709739 Overfed
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There is no shortage of tiger chow in this fuckin' country.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:42 | 4709959 cougar_w
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Former Judge Mark Ciavarella Jr, fed to a tiger:

http://fedtoatiger.blogspot.com/2014/04/judge-mark-ciavarella-is-fed-to-...

Special host for the show is Fortran, the predator provided by her dear sister Diamond.

Caution: may contain actual insanity.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:55 | 4710444 Overfed
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Disturbing. But that fucker deserves a disturbing death.

Better buy Diamond one of these:

http://wilsoncombat.com/new/handgun-professional-lightweight.asp

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:55 | 4710005 Emergency Ward
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Oh fuck, the private prisons are a fucking disgrace, but the "public" ones are no better.  The bastard wardens and staff and the prisoners are all the same.  The "public" prison guard union lobbies for harsher sentencing and more prisons so it's the same fucking racket.  It's just that the IDEA of private prisons is a horror.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:30 | 4710366 MiltonFriedmans...
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Courtesy of Serco, the largest (most evil) company no one has heard of!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:31 | 4710886 WTF_247
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It all starts with the people repeatedly voting for retards that agree to spend unlimited money on public salaries, pensions and medical in return for votes (a very nice bribe scheme).  It gets out of hand to the point the state cannot afford to run the prisons.  

The lobbyists know this and press the other side to repeatedly increase costs to the state wherever possible.  

They know the end result is more and more private prisons.  After all, if you cost basis is bloated by 200%, a 25% reduction SAVES money.  It something you can bring to the voters to say you care.  You are saving them their own money.  All is good and you get the votes.  Fuck the prisoners, its a means to an end.  So what if corporations make bank off them?  They pay taxes so its double awesomesauce for the state.

Prision should be a shithole that you do not want to go back to - its supposed to be punishement.  However, if you let it devolve into a brutal, combative atmosphere where corruption, drugs, and forced labor are the rule then you are not doing anyone a favor - you are breeding repeat offenders.  Sure - there are many who no matter what would repeat offend.  IMO none of the prisoners should EVER work for private industry.  Make them work the chain gang or other fixing the roads, sidewalks, picking up trash etc.  They should ONLY be doing public service work, nothing more.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:30 | 4713403 Kobe Beef
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It starts with the government paying gangbangers and highschool dropouts to reproduce.

Next comes the cycle you describe. 

 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:23 | 4709493 czarangelus
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The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest to send more workers - and more guillotines.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:07 | 4709646 naughtius maximus
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And tigers

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:25 | 4709498 Kayman
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 If these numbers are accurate.

182,000 women raped ? Substantially under 1% ? NO WAY !

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:42 | 4709570 CCanuck
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Reported Rape.....what do you think the real number is?? I would guess atleast three times as many unreported rapes.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:31 | 4709709 bombdog
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Then there's the women that don't even know they were raped by their husbands because they weren't properly educated about it. Must be at least another 50 times as many that go unreported because the woman didn't even know!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:29 | 4709500 Dr. Engali
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Well since our freedoms are gone what else is left for them to hate us for ? What other fucked up thing can we declare perpetual war on?..... Lemonade stands?..... Oops too late.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:25 | 4709503 Pumpkin
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Five more stunning facts:

1).  All crimes are prosecuted under unconstitutional style of process.  New York is not NEW YORK.

2).  All crimes must mirror common law crimes.  No victim no crime.

3).  Any complaint initiated by a government employee is not valid per the Magna Carta.

4.) All juries are rigged.  They all should drawn by lot.

5.) There is no such thing as a criminal action, only criminal proceedings within a civil action.  AKA all crimes are commercial.

 

 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:36 | 4710390 MiltonFriedmans...
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Pumpkin, sounds like you are a student of redemption.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:37 | 4710394 MiltonFriedmans...
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Pumpkin is not PUMKIN

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:38 | 4710396 MiltonFriedmans...
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Sorry....PUMPKIN

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:26 | 4709506 kurt
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As to the point that there are more black slaves now than before. Don't forget to include the NBA. Just ask Donald Sterling (Tokowitz) cus he a Massa!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:31 | 4709509 deflator
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 Homosexuals taking turns, "raping" each other in prison is not a cause for concern.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:45 | 4709579 Bastiat
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In your view I guess once they've been raped they are homosexuals?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:49 | 4709590 kurt
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Yeah, cuz, like, they have an ass and they Never leave the apartment.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:02 | 4709622 deflator
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 I have actually spent time in a maximum security penitentiary and the only ones getting, "raped" were the ones that wanted to be, "raped".

 Prisons are filled with big giant weightlifting blacks who want to be, "the woman". There is a shortage of, "men" in prison. All you have to do to survive prison is be a man.

 

 My first experience with rape fantasy was when I was 20 and living with a woman who's husband had died some years earlier from electrocution while preparing to board up windows ahead of a typhoon in Guam. I had been living with her for more than ayear and thought everything was going good. Apparantly she was getting bored with the same old same ole and said she wanted me to leave.

 I told her I was pretty tired from working hard in the hot sun and that I would pack my shit and be out by the end of the next day. She got mad and started hitting me,(I was laying down in the bed). I grabbed her hands to stop her from hitting me and she said, "You are not going to rape me!"

 I was thinking, "WTF?" She wants me to rape her? So I tore her silk gown into shreds and she was pissed cause that was her favorite garment. Then she said that I wasn't going to hit her in the face and I was thinking,"now she wants me to hit her in the face?"

After three or four tries she was finally satisfied with the smacks to the face. Midway through the rape sex her six year old daughter who was listening and banging on the door asking if she should call the police. She said, "shutup Julie, get away from the door!"

 After everything was said and done she was waiting on me hand and foot.

 

 I did my time in Jackson, GA penitentiary beginning in 1985 because I sold some narcotics agents some marijuana. First sold them a quarter ounce then a half ounce then an ounce of brown weed from Mexico. When I went in front of the judge he said, "Since Mr. Gilmore doesn't have so much of a traffic ticket on his record I am going to go easy on him and am going to only give him three years to serve on each of the three counts of sales, intentto sale and distribution of dangerous drugs. I remand him over to the cutody of the sheriff to begin serving his sentence immediately.

 

 Like Wall St. traders who sy that they could be stripped of everything and be back on top in a short period of time, you can say the same for me if I were sent to prison tomorrow. The first thing I would do would be to find the chess board, point at it and say, "that is mine!"

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:13 | 4710748 phaedrus1952
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Deflator, I am sorry that you spent any time behind the wire, but - as someone who has spent several years incarcerated in a max prison - I would be wary of anyone making generalizations about inmates or institutions.  There can be a range of behaviours and surroundings, especially comparing county, state and federal jurisdictions.

That being said, the wholesale sexual activity taking place where I was (floors of the porta-a-potties in the yard were covered with cum stained toilet paper every 3 hour shift), contained a fair amount of "pushing up" on weaker inmates who, out of fear, misguided desire to please, or who-knows-what motivation, would give up their mouths or asses to intimidators.

BTW, inmates locked up for several decades do not even think of hetero/homo so much as connecting with another human being in some fashion ... "loving", predatory, or just some vehicle with whom to get their rocks off.

I can personally vouch for the accuracy of everything mentioned in the above post, with the caveat that it is - if anything - significantly understated.

Lastly, if you were to - theoretically, of course - point to the chess board that Mr. P and I always used and claim it ... well, careful there, deflator. Mr. P was arrested due to the show "America's Most Wanted" and was doing a lifetime bid for double homicide.  His board.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:19 | 4710542 nmewn
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deflator, I appreciate your passion but don't out yourself...edit

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:39 | 4710639 Skateboarder
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Yeah, the internets is not a safe place to post that kind of stuff. Really appreciate the post though.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:07 | 4711158 nmewn
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Same here. I went off on one of those tangents late one night and Miffed walked me back home. We need to look after each other on some level, sometimes I think we're the only ones left ;-)

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:49 | 4709591 vie
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Yes, that makes total sense!  Everyone we send to prison is gay.  Thank you for solving that.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:22 | 4709680 deflator
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 What do you think about the, "rapists", are they not gay? To me there is no difference between being on top or the bottom when it comes to man on man sex.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:43 | 4709956 MachoMan
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It's "prison rules"...  it's only gay to receive dick.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:33 | 4710112 deflator
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Wrong, the strong in prison, that you want to be aligned with, know the difference.

Rule#1 in prison, don't get fucked up with homosexuals.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 08:01 | 4711293 overmedicatedun...
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never speak the reality, never..insiders never speak poorly of other insiders..(summers law), corzine never named names a prison cell door never opened for him...martha stewart well some think they are insiders and then find out they were and are pawns.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:27 | 4709512 davidalan1
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Seems Grimm

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:28 | 4709520 Let them eat iPads
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What we have here, is a failyuh to communicate.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:30 | 4709529 tuttisaluti
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That's it. I will never ever visit the usa again and risk prison for nothing.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:36 | 4709549 Jack Burton
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Gulag America! I live in a rural small town county, the kind where everyone knows eachother. With only 12,000 residents and 90% of the large county being wilderness, there is no real need for a prison. But wait! We were told we needed a new county jail, so we got one. I went and looked at it after it was finished. County Jail? Bullshit, it is a mini supermax fucking prison, cost us taxpayers millions. Hired a dozen new highly paid jailers. Then the local cops went to work filling it with inmates. Fucking Gulag America! I could write more about the ill treatment I have heard local people get there. The jailers are punk thugs on steroids given high paid jobs. Punks! Told a friend today that if I thought cops were coming to take me there for any reason, I would die in a fucking shootout. Gulag!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:47 | 4709589 kurt
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Jack, Don't tempt them. I like your posts too much.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:20 | 4709810 Things that go bump
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Don't die - lie low and when the time is right you and your homies can storm the Bastille. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:39 | 4710811 phaedrus1952
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Hey, Jack. As I posted up above to Deflator's comments, I have had the unfortunate experience of long-term incarceration.  Although sweeping generalizations may be inaccurate, county jails are considered far worse places to be than state or federal prisons for many reasons, foremost is the paucity of funding.

 The conditions and treatment (see Stanford's infamous  Milgram/Stanford Prison Experiment) would truly have to be witnessed or experienced (highly NOT recommended) to even be believed.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:37 | 4709551 MountainsRoam
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65% of people should not be in prison for petty non violent crimes, and have their lives and families ruined.. Trust me the list of enemies of this country is growing fast, internally and externally.. These enemies have not much left to lose, and are ready for whatever they can do for payback.. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:45 | 4709969 MachoMan
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They'll be released at the most politically profitable time

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:43 | 4709572 waterhorse
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Shouldn't we be focused on putting criminal bankers in jail instead of adolescent males who smoke pot?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 04:56 | 4711118 shouldvekilledthem
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"We" don't have a say in anything.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:52 | 4709600 Spectre
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90+% of the idiots in prison had idiots for parents or none at all.  Vast majority are stupid people.  Too many Homo's in America leads to this rape thing while in prison.  There is money in incarceration.  Crooked Judges & Lawyers need the cash as well.

I don't give a fuck about this article in the first place, most in prison deserve to be where their at.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:04 | 4709637 machineh
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'deserve to be where their at'

If illiteracy were a felony, you'd be doing 5 years of hard time.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 02:03 | 4711008 james.connolly
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The trolls are strong on this post. Proof postive that most commenters on ZH are 14 year old pre-pubescent male unicorns.

Maybe ZH should stick to stock market shit, and bore the hell out of our trolls who haven't even started puberty.

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I'm surprised with this thread that nobody has mentioned 'shawshank redemption', best movie ever made on this subject, and its full of anal-rape scenes for our trolls, so there you have it a movie you can download tonight on piratebay.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:02 | 4711786 headhunt
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Great movie, great actor, moron in real world.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:29 | 4709701 4 Freedoms
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Is that you, Cliven?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:55 | 4709782 besnook
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since this little tidbit will probably make your day i will tell you this rape stat is the proof homophobes need as evidence to show homosexuality is a choice. most of these assaults are perped by straight guys who need to unload and will call you susie to complete the fantasy.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:35 | 4709932 acetinker
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Pardon me, Spectre- But I never met anyone who no parents at all.  You speaking from personal experience?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 05:24 | 4711132 New World Chaos
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So many paid trolls are coming out of the woodwork trying to derail this thread with gay, bootlicking bullshit.  We must be getting too close to the truth.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:15 | 4709601 Radical Marijuana
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After the international bankers recaptured control over the American "money" supply, there has been set up a runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, building a fascist police state to protect itself and advance its agenda. The American prison system is one of the indirect results of the ways that the public "money" supply operates to enslave the entire population. Ironically, the more that the biggest gangsters, the banksters, are able to dominate the society, through their system of debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits, the more criminal that society becomes, which resonates all the way through various social institutions, and especially the prisons. The degree to which the biggest gangsters, the banksters, dominate the government is reflected in the ways that gangs dominate the prisons.

There can be no rehabilitation of prisoners, as long as there is no rehabilitation of the governments which are dominated by the banksters. Since the domination of the governments by the banksters has become a runaway system, the prisons can be expected to become much worse runaway systems than they are now. It is most likely that history will rhyme, in the ways that prisons treat people like slaves, and that, within the foreseeable future, large parts of America will, for a time, become like the reservations that the natives were forced to live in.

Prisons are displaying the paradox that more violence can never make lies become true. The enforcement of frauds can only make society as a whole become more psychotic. America is headed towards going through psychotic breakdowns into democidal martial law, which will only make things become even still worse. The established American systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, are automatically making everything get worse, faster. Indeed, one can predict that, eventually, the collapse into chaos will release the concentrated criminal insanities within the prisons, back out into the society around them that created those conditions.

In my opinion, unless enough people went through enough of a paradigm shift in their perceptions, to be able to understand how and why the government is the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, then they will continue to allow systems which breed crime to grow and become more psychotically insane. There was never any validity to the idea that there was a fundamental dichotomy between government versus organized crime. Government was always a form of organized crime, and organized crime was always a form of government. To the degree that people do not understand that, they allow the forms of organized crime operated as legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, to become more virulent, which then drives all other lesser forms of crime to also become more virulent.

The evolutionary ecologies of criminal activity could become more benign and better balanced, if there was a better understanding of the unitary mechanisms of how those actually operated. However, the more that the false fundamental dichotomy views between government versus organized crime are promoted, then the more the impossible ideals based on those views will cause the opposite to happen in the real world.

The primary SOURCE of American problems is the degree of runaway success of the biggest gangsters, the banksters, being able to dominate American society. Most of the other problems are like a distribution network, that steps down the higher voltage, to lower voltages. The primary SOURCE of American criminality has become the banksters, that dominated the political processes, in order to develop systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which were mainly more wars based on deceits, which backfired in every apparent way, other than with respect to their real purpose, which was to advance the banksters' debt slavery agenda.

Remember, the American prisons, like almost everything else done through governments, are largely being paid for with "money" made out of nothing as debts. Hence, those people who are most being imprisoned are young people, and those who have not yet been born, which is another manifestation of the degree to which the runaway debt slavery systems are generating debt insanities, which are supreme crimes, from which cascade down overflowing cups of lesser crimes. Indeed, ever since the banksters captured privatized control over the public "money" supply, America was already a vast open air prison, incarcerating the entire population. Hence, what we are witnessing now is merely that becoming more blatantly obvious ...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:00 | 4710032 acetinker
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You type a shitload of words, RM, but it all boils down to this; America has been under martial law since 1861.  Yep, I said it, the most 'admired' president of the 19th century was a villainous traitor to his countrymen.  Such is the power of propaganda, and public schooling.

So, I fully expect that when the crushing boot of tyranny fully reveals itself to the dumb-masses, it will be greeted with overwhelming support.

And people ask me why I drink?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:45 | 4710413 MiltonFriedmans...
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I don't know about that. If he were indeed a traitor, why did the Jesuits kill him?

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