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No Deescalation: Separatists Storm Another Ukraine Administration Building; NATO Says No Troop Withdrawal
One of the suggested catalysts for yesterday's late day rebound, was yet another iteration of diplomatic de-escalation in Ukraine, when not only did Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu advise Chuck Hagel that Russia has no plan of bringing its troops to Ukraine - something Russia has said since the conflict started, even as it has repeatedly affirmed it would waste no time to protect ethnic Russians in east Ukraine - but when Interfax reported that Russian troops are returning from military drills by the Ukraine border to their respective bases. This alone was enough to send the S&P roundtripping from nearly red for the year, to up half a percent for the day. There are a few problems with this latest de-escalation gambit however.
First of all, as Reuters reported earlier, "NATO has seen no sign that tens of thousands of Russian troops are withdrawing from close to the Ukraine border, a NATO official said today, despite a Russian statement that the troops had returned to their permanent positions." But... the algos said that all is well again? Guess not.
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu told U.S. Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel in a phone call on Monday that Russian forces, which started drills near the border last week, had returned to their permanent positions, according to the Russian government.
"We currently have no information that indicates a withdrawal of Russian troops from the Ukrainian border. We continue to urge Russia to abide by the Geneva agreement and to pull back all its troops along the Ukrainian border in favour of diplomacy and dialogue," a NATO official told Reuters, asked about Shoigu's assertion.
Not only that, but as can be expected, following the latest round of sanctions against Russia by the West, a Russian retaliation was inevitable. Sure enough, Interfax reported that Russia is preparing retaliatory measures after latest round of U.S., EU sanctions, citing Valentina Matviyenko, speaker of Federation Council, upper house of parliament.
"Such unfriendly attacks, imposed unilaterally against Russia without reason, can’t be left without a response, and I believe there certainly will be a response,” Matviyenko is cited as saying.
Furthermore, as AFP reported separately, Moscow on Tuesday vowed to hit back at Japan over its decision to deny visas to 23 Russian nationals as part of additional sanctions linked to the crisis in Ukraine.
The Russian foreign ministry said that Tokyo's decision was "met with disappointment in Moscow, and of course will not be left without a response".
And finally, perhaps the best example of what is really going on, we read this:
- PROTESTERS STORMING REGIONAL BUILDING IN LUHANSK: INTERFAX
- PRO-RUSSIA SEPARATISTS CONTROL ADMIN. BUILDING IN LUHANSK: RIA
Bloomberg reports further that protesters in the east Ukrainian city took control of administrative building, are disarming police, Russian state news service RIA Novosti reports.
Protesters broke windows to enter building, Interfax reports; Russian state television shows smoke coming from upper windows of building, people waving flags including Russian flag from top of building
pro-#Russia crowd shouting "Rossija!" near seized #Lugansk regional administration. Police blocked inside! pic.twitter.com/Eu9yXVRWgv
— Arseniy Svynarenko (@svynarenko) April 29, 2014
Interfax adds that some of protesters are carrying sticks, batons, and probably other pain-creating objects. Oh well, the "de-escalation" was fun while it lasted. Back to the same old daily grind again.
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Real surprise...scene 2 of bad kabuki continues...and of course stocks are up and nothing but sellers in treasuries!
To this point, Europe wont do a thing....they need Russian NG. Pro Russian Civilians doing the Russian troop's work, allowing Putin to continue sitting and smiling. Neocons will likely get more desperate quick enough and actually send in more American troops and firepower.
Why is it so hard to split the country in half, everyone go on their way? No need for a civil war, no need for sanctions, no NG cutoff, or WWIII.
I wonder, are their any administration buildings left in eastern Ukraine they didn´t have stormed yet?
Don't worry, lots of buildings still left, the revolution against Kiev is moving westward.....
Russia is doing this the old fashioned way, divide and conquer. When their special forces gain control over the local gov't the Ukraine gov't will be an easy push over.
Putin: +infinity
golfing pigeon: 0
Actually, all Russia has to do is stand back, and let the IMF radicalize the Ukrainians against the Kiev Coup government. The 'Fun' will really start when gas prices increase 120%, pensions are cut by 50%, 10% income taxes to 'rebuild' Kiev, currency controls and bail-ins, Oligarchs getting richer while beggars on the street starve.... I'll bet the dual citizens running the Kiev government for the USSA already have their passports ready, and private planes waiting on the runway.
I think most Ukrainians prefer their country remain united. The problem is vocal minorities on both sides of politics are pulling the country apart for their own gains, helped by meddling foreign powers. It also does not help the views of people in the capital city and the national majority collide, and people in the capital city took matters into their own hands (Thailand is also suffering from this problem.).
Recent polling of Ukrainians in all regions of the country tends to support this view.
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=10640
Like I would believe any poll issued by a NGO or US state agency.....Surprise, surprise, 83% of Ukrainians are against a direct Russian intervention.
My first clue was when the Kiev polling agency called themselves "independent", LOL.
Question 1:
Yes or No
Would you like for Ukraine to remain independent and poor, subject to Russian demands, corruption, poor eduction, poor health care and high unemployment?
Question 2:
Yes or No
Would you like to join Russia, where Russian soldiers get to have their way with your wife and/or daughters, where every third Tuesday the oldest person you know gets executed, and Putin steals all of Ukraine's wealth for his person account?
Question 3:
Yes or No
Would you like to join NATO and the EU, where money grows on trees, there is no more hunger, everone drives luxury cars, you get 8 weeks paid vacation a year at a luxury resort of your choosing, there is only happiness, and Ukraine becomes more powerful than Russia?
****
Based on the results of 1,000 Ukranians living in Los Angeles, the independent Kiev polling agency determines that the overwhelming majority of Ukranians want to become members of the EU and NATO.
Haus:
Pease remember to label your posts as /sarc if that is so. At first - until I got to the part about the poll being conducted in LA - I thought you were trolling for the EU.
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There is no way you could have thought I was EU trolling.
Damnit. Next time I'll add 72 virgins to the list.
Am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing the Occupy Movement take on the Bundy Ranch defenders.
Rocks, tires, Molotov Cocktails, Latte Macchiatos v AR-15s, AK-47s, a tank or two and hardbound copies of the Constitution and Bible
Occupy people and libertarians feel the same righteous indignation - even if the "altermondialistes" don't (yet) articulate the problem (and the solution) as well as classical liberals. Don't forget they were already mobilizing in large numbers pre-2008 (even pre-911) against the WTO, World Bank, Montsanto, etc. These people didn't go away - most of them became libertarians in 2008.
July 2001, G8 Summit in Genova (Italy), most of the 200'000 protesters there were altermondialistes (pseudo left-wing, but actually on the path to discover the philosophy of liberty).
Oh blow me you habitual junkers. This was funny.
I disagree. The Ukraine, after 23 years of independence, is a failed state, with a stagnant economy, declining population, rampant unemployment and violence, and boasting the most corrupt government in Europe. Their GDP is approx. 4000 USD per person, versus Russia's 14,000 per person. They get the underlying message.
try it at home, then
Most of America would be ok with a split between North and South.
Would love too, as would many of my countrymen at this point.
Speaking of splitting overbloated and culturally disjointed political entities North/South ...
Nevermind, its clearly not necessary when this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VzaCy8R5qE
is the basis for your "domestic" policy.
so because you'd wish for the US to split in North and South, you also wish for Europe to split it's clubs into Northern and Southern ones?
intriguing. and it supports my pet theory that Americans in Europe have a tendency to project American issues on Europe, instead of opening their eyes. I suppose that the inverse must also happen quite often, to be fair, yet there I have even less data
Opening our eyes?
Sorry bud, the cultural (and thus financial) abyss between Sicily and Bayern is materially larger than the difference between Jackson Mississippi and New York.
I think the reason that Americans tend to be much more skeptical of the EU is not because of some grand Anglo-conspiracy, or us projecting our problems onto the EU (then again, wouldn't comparing a nation's problems with that of a trade union seem a bit stupid) but its our relationship to the project.
EU supporters do not look at it objectively anymore. I would even venture to say that some never did. Its an emotional attachment to an idea, to the point now that no amount of facts will get in your way. Americans are not attached to the program emotionally, so when it looks like a pig, smells like a pig, eats and shits like a pig, we are much more likely to call it a pig.
nah, next you will tell me that you have a profound knowledge of Europe's South, or the differences between Scotland, Northern and Southern England, or between Denmark and Germany
Americans tend to be more skeptical of the EU because they speak England's language, which is the most EU-skeptical nation in Europe. it's that simple, and leveraged by media... including ZH. a very natural process, no conspiracy needed
meanwhile you constantly mistake me with one of the bleary-eyed european federalists. consuming your AfD propaganda you probably have not even noticed that there is a confederalist moderate opposition to the EU project, which often is congruent with the support for the euro. to the point that EU-federalists are often against the EUR, "because it endangers their pet project"
does the Europe of The Regions movement say anything to you? that's another one, and it's gaining traction
meanwhile, "splitting europe into North and South" has one problem: where would you put... France? I have a suspicion there...
Yeah, I did my Mastersarbeit on the Euro-Crisis comparing it to the American Monetary Union model, and seeing if any previous American solutions to state insolvancy could work in Europe. When discussing the differences between the two monetary zones a large chunk of that section (20 pages or so) was on the cultural differences between the European Nations re; their spending habits, which are completely quantifiable. So while I cannot discuss the difference between the North and the South of England, I can talk all day long about how the Germans and the French sharing a currency is a horrible idea.
I have no idea what The Regions movement is. I am all in favor of splitting the EU and EMZ in half, with Austria getting to go with the cool kids.
Essentially, the EU and EMZ would work much better (quickly replace the USD as world reserve currency) if they take all the sucessful parts of the Europe and group them politically and economicially together. The shitty/poor parts are kicked out. There would be very tough immigration controls on unskilled uneducated labor.
EDIT -
France goes with the South. The Franc and the Llira were much more similar to one another than the Franc and dMark were. I know the WWII education/propaganda you got in school makes the proposition that Germany and France sit on opposite sides of the fence tends to make you tighten your butthole a little bit, but remove the propaganda, and you realise that WWII was a banker war that was egged on -- not by nationalisim but by extreme poverty and the sudden and material cultural shifts that go with it.
very fashionable. so the whole problem is that southern europeans are more... thrifty? sounds like Dr. Krugman
and dangerous. who (the fuck) wants to replace the USD as world reserve currency?
yet intriguing. perhaps we will have the chance to have a few intelligent discussions in future if you really think that "the Germans and the French sharing a currency is a horrible idea"
you do realize that both were long time "sharing"/using gold as currency, don't you?
No, the Northern Nations were actually materially more fiscally conservative, both public and private finances, which at a macro-level end-up bleeding together. Generally the Southern Nations were more apt to consumer spending and purchasing depreciable property.
And yes, due to productivity and competitiveness, the Germans and French sharing a currency is a horrible idea. As a quick example, the annual competitiveness report issued at Davos every year listed Germany as #4 and France was #23. With the same monetary policy -- within 20 years one would find themselves in the same position that France and Germany find themselves in today.
Here is the report of you don't believe me;
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2013-14/GCR_Rankings_2013-14.pdf
And while both currencies in the past (Mark and Franc) were redeemable for Gold, they were redeemable at different rates, moreover, this rate was something that the French habitually play around with/manipulated (an early form of QE) to get their books to balance.
Before the first world war there was the Latin Monetary Union, which is similar to the EUR, and had many of the same problems. Its collapse led (in part) to WWI.
"Americans tend to be more skeptical of the EU because they speak England's language, which is the most EU-skeptical nation in Europe."
Home-run right there. A huge portion of continental Europeans alive today speak that language too, fairly well too, so where does that leave your just-so theory?
"confederalist moderate opposition to the EU project, which often is congruent with the support for the euro."
Oh, I bet it is. About as oppositional as monetarism and MMT, or democrat and republican. Quite the case of things-which-only-seem-different ... viewed from a few centimeters away. German communists and German fascists recruited from the same classes and neighborhoods, I wonder why.
Most continental Europeans cannot speak English. I would say the majority cannot.
However, a majority of the Northern European countries can, and in many cases can speak better English than American English native speakers.
Texas cant WAIT to get kicked out of the Union.
Were going to split your country up and the border is going to be a half a kilometer from your home. Say hello to you new Roma neighbors.
the split is inevitable - timing is everything - let Yats make the mistake of murdering 500-1000 people in the south - hopefully with a lot of shots in the back so that the murder profile meets the 72 people in Maidan. then it's all downhill for Nuland, Kerry and Obama
until the Right Sector does their thing - we wait
Haus:
Actually, that will probably be a de facto resolution, while a de jure resolution goes into negotiations from now until Hell is an ice cream freezer,
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to this point, Russia will probably do very little, and only if provoked
the whole Crimea operation was with soldiers without insignia, remember?
and (officially) invading Ukraine - even if the whole world would just do nothing about it - would generate a whole array of headaches that Putin's government is not that keen to get, including the question of where an invasion would have to stop
If the Russian are clever they´ll do nothing. Some smart man once said: "Don´t stop your enemy making mistakes". Putin just has to sit and smile and watch others do his work.
Are you keeping up? Washington keeps flicking putins ear. Now the japanese kid gets in the act. All these little minor provocations add up, and everyone has their limit. I only wish it were as simple as paying no regard to the antics of obozo and his rodeo clowns. I would be putting those fuckers on deep ignore, level 9
Mid term election are coming up in the US on 6 months. Polls at a low for Obamas democrats. Watch all that congressmen and US senators on reelection get nervous. Putin is in a great postion if he manages to calm down the Russian/Slawik temper and doesn´t overreact on some minor provocations.
I am not sure VV Putin could stop these from making mistakes even if he tried.....
Per their Geneva pact, the de-escalation cannot occur until the masked gunmen exit all government buildings in Kiev.
Why do you demonRats always put a blame on the other side for your failure? As far as I know oblama and kerry are demonRats and the senate are demonRats. This demonRats are the one's making the decision and any so called neocans, as you call those talking heads you see on TV have no authority to do crap.
Put the blame where it belongs to the Democrats not Neocans. The Neocans doesn't have the authority to give orders. It's Obama and the Democrats.
Read the hand writing on the wall my friend - Remember, every time the 10 year hits around the 2.75 level, The Fed panics and the equity "sell program" kicks in. Expect it this Wednesday, or perhaps even as early as today - You know, the typical 3 to 5% BTFATH...dip. Expect the metals to be cut loose to make higher highs as well. Same garbage, different day. Profit from it.
time to replay M370 story part 51, clap clap
Algos get to work, NOW
Another international disaster coutesy of Obama and company.
MFL8240 don't leave out the governments of pretty much every other western NATO nation, they're all singing from the same NWO song book. One big clusterfuck of a shit storm for the rest of us though
And I don't stand by a cliff with the intention of jumping.
"HATO" hahahhaha.
Russian "N" does look like English "H". Never realized the implication. How ironic.
Fucking japan getting in the act too. Zionists have their bitches everywhere. Get me the fuck off this planet already
Honestly, Japan is just the fucking worst
Japan is a low level hyena waiting to take part in the spoils.
They should focus on cleaning up Fukushima first before entering the circus arena.
Japan govts have been owned by the US since the end of WW2 when MacArthur was military governor.
Meh, this is more theater. Ukraine isn't playing with the market. The market is playing with Ukraine.
Expect another dive into the red today, then a miraculous recovery.
Gold is currently a dead end.
You're welcome.
Where is this "market" you speak of?
local farmers and livestock markets, there's an old mill about 15 miles from here that have some lumber auctions several times a year that attract a lot of people...
Yes, hopefully all under the table. Starve the beast. No more faith means no more credit... ...eventually.
Correct. This was all planned in 2008 when the dollar died......Most people forget that these pricks running the world are 5 to 6 steps head of current events......
Russia and China will get their seat at the table........QE was just a means to get us to this point.........I dont trust Rickards, but I listen to him..he is telegraphing for the powers that be
It costs a lot of money to park those Russian soldiers there. And it costs a lot of money to mobilize Ukranian forces. And it costs a lot of money to start moving NATO troups and materiale. Lots of money being spent. I'm thinking all involved are not to keen on getting their bluffs called, and the ante keeps going up. At some point the bluff will be called.
This is a fight from high school - one guy shoves the other, then the other guy shoves back. Both repeat the mantra "c'mon asshole". Then someone throws a punch and it's over in a few minutes.
Gold is the best place to be right now.
I don't think the cost to Russia is very high, unlike the West their military is not a profit center for MIC contractors.
< shocker > (maybe the west should have tried to overthrow that democratically elected government after all)
Up is down, left is right, war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and knowledge is power. Seems to me, just like in China, the modern western governments only like "elections" when they control the outcome.
Fuck em.
I'm guessing you meant they shouldn't have tried to overthrow that democratically elected government?
Yes, like I said, apparently the western governments like "elections", but only if they control the outcome...
Absolutely correct. Only US approved democratically elected governments are allowed.
"We will force this war upon Hitler (Putin), whether he wants it or not" - Winston Churchill prior to WWII (Western Corporations prior to WWIII).
exacto. Churchhill was totally in the back pocket of all judean. He did their bidding like a pet dog
Yes War Criminal
Deesclation, we don't want no stinckin' deesclation! (sic)
http://www.modernelevator.com/files/ME_escalators_bro.pdf
Does any of this matter anymore? Did it ever matter?
It matters to me, when we don't talk, when we don't touch...
It bothers me that I don't even know you and I'm worried.
Does "Academi/Greystone" do these kinds of jobs?...
As Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said: "The troops have returned to their permanent positions" at the border of Ukraine. Any other location is a temporary excursion.
They better get home soon, or they'll never get home and it's hard to help a family and community while obeying nonsense because Oil is about to get 'sick' along with everyone else. The fracking outfits aren't bothering telling people about the radioactive oil they've been selling to the public.
http://news.yahoo.com/north-dakota-finds-more-radioactive-200209424.html
If this article is correct with a couple of dozen others. Everyone has been inhaling aerosolized nuclear waste from the tail pipe of every car for a couple of years now. Thanks energy industry!
Enjoy burying your kids and grand-kids, never mind yourselves dirtbags. One request though. Make sure you apologize to them before they die of aggressive cancer in their young, frail bodies and tiny little lungs. Just remember, at least you got paid to bury your own kin and blood. For what? Who knows, I'm sure you'll all lie to yourselves to feel a bit better.
I too get my scientific articles from YAHOO.
DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE YOU NIMROD?!
THE OIL ISN'T RADIOACTIVE THE DOWNHOLE TOOLS, YES THOSE THINGS EVIL GODDANG ENGINEERS MAKE IN THEIR SPARETIME, ARE RADIOACTIVE,
BECAUSE, EVERYTHING PULLED FROM THE EARTH IS RADIOACTIVE!
THE CORE OF THE PLANET IS A GODDANG NUCLEAR REACTOR AND RADIATION PERMEATES TO THE SURFACE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient
Have a nice day
Investigating the veracity of statements isn't needed when getting information from the MSM; the US has a free press and the MSM is never wrong!
Watersmeet Nimrods?
http://www.yelp.com/biz/nimrod-apparel-watersmeet
Part of the heat generated by the core of the planet is due to natural radioactive decay, but the core is not a nuclear reactor. Those involve fission or fusion, neither of which occur in the earth's core. The sun, yes ... the earth, no.
Right, there's some pressure involved too, 4000 mile high column of rock.
Uh, red bricks tend to be radioactive. then there's radon, which you should have your home checked for. There is naturally occuring radioactivity throughout north Dakota, northern Minnesota and the western half of the Upper Peninisula of Michigan. Water wells are known to hit naturally occuring uranium in some of those regions.
For the life of me I cannot think of how oil becomes radioactive. I have irradiated samples for medicinal chemistry studies but nothing carbon based. Because oil pretty much can't be made to be radioactive, in a sense that we know it.
Let me know if you need someone to consult you on this.
The idea of America getting involved or jumping into a war in Ukraine would have been hard to imagine a few years ago. As I write this we are engaged in a war of words but the potential for this to escalate into a shooting war is real. Allowing events to deteriorate into a major war or possibly into what some see as World War III is becoming a reality.
As insane as it appears this could become the final outcome. The location of this as a military confrontation is right in Putin's backyard and this is a strong advantage for Russia. It is silly to think Putin and Russia will back down. This means poking the bear is not a smart move. It cannot be emphasized enough this government was not elected by the people and that the military of Ukraine is divided and extremely weak. More about this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/war-in-ukraine-bad-idea_26.html
If you do a google search on this situation, you will find countless of articles speculating about effects of sanction, etc... But I have not seen a single article that talks about the significance of May Day: a huge holiday in Soviet times complete with military parades to intimidate the West. Putin's popularity inside Russia has soared since taking Crimea, and if he really dreams of a return to the Soviet Union, then May Day could be a symbolic day for an invasion. Yet no one seems concerned about this.
Oh well, guess we will find out soon!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day
Russia is listed under Europe on Wiki...
Funny
There are no military parades on May Day. You are confused.
May 9 Victory Day
Obama is an arrogant little man boy who does not even know who is real father was. Putin got a nut job to deal with.
LIAR LIAR PANTS IN FIRE I say!
"We continue to urge Russia to abide by the Geneva agreement and to pull back all its troops along the Ukrainian border in favour of diplomacy and dialogue"
so after overthrowing the legitimate govt, urging the new regime to attack rebellious ethnic Russians & then putting sanctions on Russia itself, the West wants to talk things over peacefully??? haha, fucking insane.
"... protesters are carrying... other pain-creating objects."
What? Pictures of Hillary and Yellen in bikinis?
That would truly be a war crime.
Oh the. Huge manatee.
I just love that line. I'm guessing on the other side of the fence AK47 and boxes of ammo
protesters are carrying sticks, batons, and probably other pain-creating objects
As long as Russiona troops remained massed on the border, this will encourage/reassure the separatists. The more the separatists provoke, the stronger the smell of opportunity knocking for the Russioans.
A USA TODAY/Pew Research Center Poll finds that Americans support tighter economic sanctions on Moscow.
The funny part about the result of this survey ? ---- Not quite half of those surveyed say they have read or heard a lot about what happens in Ukraine. About a third say they have heard "a little." One in five say they have read or heard "nothing at all" about it.
And they all have an opinion to share even when they are ignorant. About a third, 35%, say Obama hasn't been tough enough in dealing with the situation, but 43% say the president's actions have been "about right." Just 5% say he has been too tough. We have a populationi of mostly low IQ jerks.
PROTESTERS: NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF
UKRAINIAN PRIME MARIONETTE: RUSSIANS MUST STOP LAUGHING AT OUR AIRPLANES
UKRAINIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY: UKRAINIAN NAVY WILL INVADE MURMANSK AT DAWN
NATO SPOKEMAN REPEATS PAGE 2 OF SCRIPT, LAUGH TRACK STILL NOT WORKING
They still have a navy? Are they including Kerry's sailboat in that?
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140429/189458077/National-Card-Payment-System-...
MOSCOW, April 29 (RIA Novosti) – Russian senators approved a bill establishing a national card payment system (NCPS) at a session of the Federation Council on Tuesday.
The ruble sign will become the official mark of the system, which will be formed by the Central Bank of Russia.
Lawmakers have significantly tightened requirements for payment system operators with clearing and settlement centers outside Russia.
Specifically, the law obliges foreign payment systems starting July 1 to make quarterly contributions to a special account in the Bank of Russia in the amount of 25% of the average daily turnover. In addition, penalties are introduced for operators of payment systems for unilateral termination of customer service.
The country’s banks welcome plans to establish a national card payment processing system as recent Ukraine-related sanctions saw several Russian banks denied service by Visa and MasterCard, troubling the general public and raising concern over the security of the country’s financial system.
Vlad's ruble card is coming.. williambanzai pls show us what it will look like..
I can't see WTF Russia's troop deployment in its own country has to do with NATO.
Those don't look like strawmen!
"We currently have no information that indicates a withdrawal of Russian troops from the Ukrainian border” is not the same as “there’s no withdrawal of Russian troops from the Ukrainian border.” This is usual sophistry from the US government and their affiliated puppets and lapdogs. Well, at least they’re predictable.
Pay attention US SLAVES........here is tidbit of your future if you let the criminals take your guns:
"Interfax adds that some of protesters are carrying sticks, batons, and probably other pain-creating objects."
Idiotic. I have guns and want to keep them, but I have no illusions about using them in any kind of revolutionary context. C'mon... if you think untrained people with hunting rifles are going to stand against tanks, air support, and infrared you are living in a dream world. The US is not the Ukraine.
We are all waiting to see how Obama's strategy of making Ukraine a basket case for labelling Putin's Russia as NEW PARIAH STATE, to be ostracised by the West and sanctioned to its knees, plays out with Mrs Merkel's Germany; prime beneficiary of Putin's Gazprom strategy that feeds EU and whose mentor ex-Chancellor Schroeder celebrated his 70 th birthday with Putin in St Petersburg...
AND, as a result of putting Eastern Europe more under the US MIC controlled NATO umbrella to re-assert US role as strategist to impose its corporate agenda both on Atlantic and Pacific regions; the twin strategic hegemonical policies of Potus today, in his second term.
And here comes the ANSWER to that query, as perceived by the WSJ :
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230393940457952934128...?
Mutti will she make this clear to Obammy when they next meet?
If she does its an awesome turnaround of Germany's official party line.
What seems to be going on is a genuine uprising by eastern Ukraine. Any Nato action in this scenario would be straight out agresssion, supporting unelected fascists against protesting Ukrainians. The sub plot of sanctions against Russia looks like only being a desperate attempt to keep the USD as the world reserve currency. The faction of the EU leadership that is controlled by the Rothschilds is becoming much easier to identify as this crisis unfolds as without their influence it is doubtful there would be any sanctions. It is starting to look like the illegal Ukraine coup was actually a trap that has managed to get the US forcing Russia to turn away from the USD, something Russia absolutely wanted to do as part of its plan with China to get rid of the USD. Hopefully the end of NSA fueled US tyranny against the general public is fast approaching.
"All leaders of all nations know that...organization of a society for the possibility of war is its principal political stabilizer. It is ironic that this primary function of warfare has been generally recognized by historians only where it has been expressly acknowledged—in the pirate societies of the great conquerors." L. F. Prouty
and http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
Have a look on the map. It is close to the Russian border.