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Putin Questions US Motivation Over Sanctions; Reconsiders Western Company Energy Deals

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Having been quiet all day, Vladimir Putin chose just before 330 on a Tuesday to respond to US and EU sanctions:


And while he said he sees no need for counter-sanctions currently, he did warn that Russia may reconsider participation of Western companies in egenergy projects if sanctions continue.

Earlier in the day, Lavrov explained...

U.S. and European Union sanctions against Russia for its role in the Ukraine crisis defy " all common sense," visiting Russian Foreign Minister Serguei Lavrov said here Tuesday.


Russia has accused the United States and NATO of what it called "provocative" statements as the crisis in Ukraine unfolds alongside a NATO military build-up in eastern Europe.

But Putin goes on to note,


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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:25 | 4709042 Aknownymouse
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Hold on a second.  I will go short me some VIX futures and be right back.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:32 | 4709070 john39
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west was expecting Russian escalation...  Putin sits and waits...  west confused, now what?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:35 | 4709078 Aknownymouse
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Putin is not waiting.  He got his forces unmarked doing all the business, taking the east of Ukraine one city at a time.  He handcuffed the dumb messiah

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:37 | 4709083 Xibalba
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Have to love the fact that not a single mention of that NBA guy is being mentioned here.  Just shows that ZH is the anti-msm

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:39 | 4709092 Fortunate Fool
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Nice to see ZH turning into Putin's Russia spokesperson...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:41 | 4709102 TungstenBars
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Someone's still drinking .govs Russophobe cool-aid..

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:57 | 4709172 sushi
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The USSA spends $5 billion to run a coup and install a puppet govt in Ukraine and then sanctions Putin and his friends because the Ukrainian people object to an imposed unelected government that proposes to launch the army at them.

What is it about this logical sequence of events that Putin fails to understand?


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:02 | 4709186 Zerozen
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TungstenBars -

The Anglo-Saxon/Anglo-American world has been Russophobic since 1854. Sour grapes and it's just never ended since then.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:12 | 4709229 Pinto Currency
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Anglo Amer financial system in collapse.

Must start war.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:06 | 4709192 TungstenBars
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The thing that bothers me the most is that the actions of the USSA regime will not go unpunished or forgotten by the rest of the world; so when the inevitabe day comes when the USSA falls off its high horse, who do you think the rest of the world will brutally serve justice to? I doubt it will just be the psychopaths in Washington that get vengence. Americans have a target placed on them for the evil deeds of Washington; that target won't go away, and I highly believe the rest of the world will deliver on it. It's only a question of when and how brutally. 

Which makes me wonder, why the f does Washington hate Americans so bad as to do that to them and their kids?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:14 | 4709236 john39
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Americans are not in control of their own government.  The people who control Washington don't give a shit what the rest of the world does to Americans later, they have moved on by then.  it really is that simple.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:24 | 4709492 sushi
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And a lot of them have estates in quiet backwaters such as Patagonia. If the conflict goes hot and the rockets fly they will be safe for some period of time in the Southern Hemisphere. You and yours? Not so much.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:40 | 4710149 Continue With This
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USA is a democracy. Americanians vote.


Of course, the majority are dumb rednecks neo-protestants vs dumb hipster fags. So they vote wrongly. But they still vote.

So not just the Washington people are guilty of the crimes against humanity the Pentagoons have perpetrated in Vietnam/Iraq/Serbia. It's also the citizenry that pays its taxes and votes for the criminals.

And for many decades, the Americanians have benefited from this. Cheap credit sustained by cheap oil that was traded in dollars.

You, the commenter, have now realized that the cheap everything era is over in the US, and are pissed about it. You also correctly point out thst the whole world hates you. Yes, including the europeans that supposedly you saved in WW2 from the Nazi and then Communists.



Payback is coming for you. To be an Americanian is to be guilty of exploitation of others. Your country was built by masons, your founding fathers were freemasons. They were and are Satanists.  America was never supposed to be a "light" to the World.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:48 | 4709369 Bingo Hammer
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I suspect that quite a few decades ago "they" identified the once highly educated, entrepreneurly savvy, individually free thinking and well armed American citizenry were the biggest hindrance and threat to the establishment of the New World Order.

Since then, an at first slow but ever quickening systematic multi front, multi layered "take down" of the people of the US and by extention the world has been perpetuated.

But as we see with many such ventures the closer one get's to a long and cherished goal of high complexity and risk (ie NWO) there is a proportional acceleration of the chance that a minor miscalculation at the last minute can FUBAR the whole plan (...hmm we can hope).

ps. Maybe it's just me but there seems to be an edge of panic creeping into some parts of the "establishment" lately...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:27 | 4709281 SmittyinLA
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Ya, Hannity, what a rube, classic dumb as a post Irish catholic voter.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:42 | 4709108 McMolotov
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You've got a way with words (that make you sound like a moron).

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:12 | 4709212 Fortunate Fool
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Sorry for exercizing a bit a critical thinking and not abiding by the strict ZH thought police guidelines... You see, I have no sympathy for the ruling class of the US, but I have no more for the Russian one too. I'm always skeptical about anything that comes out of the mouth of a former KGB spy.

Keep drinking ZH's kool-aid if that makes you happy. I'm just not ready for becoming a Putin cheerleader. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:25 | 4709266 McMolotov
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Recognizing that one asshole (Uncle Sam) instigated a fight with another asshole (Putin) does not make one a cheerleader for the second asshole. This should be fairly obvious.

I despise John McCain — doesn't mean I'm a cheerleader for Obama.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:20 | 4709252 Xibalba
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As opposed to Jay 'Circus' Carney?  I'd take the info from RT over CNN any and every day.  But know that it's a Cuomo narrative vs. a non-corporate advertising driven one. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:25 | 4709270 RaceToTheBottom
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Massive Man Crush, nothing more.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:52 | 4709381 KnightsofNee
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I love Putin! He is my new hero. Standing up to the school yard bully.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:30 | 4710970 Magooo
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Anyone who stands agains the Deep State --- is on YOUR SIDE.


Remember the Deep State is the master of Obama and all the policitians you cannot stand -- whom you rant against for their corruption --- who are robbing you and your children and their children blind --- who send your jobs overseas.




You need your heads examined.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:55 | 4709160 valley chick
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Go move along to the MSM.?who really gives a shit about the MBA.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:59 | 4709177 pot_and_kettle
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+1 until I figure out wtf you wrote

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:42 | 4709105 CrashisOptimistic
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There is some evidence of that.

Remember, the major agricultural areas are in the east, the Russian regions.  China just leased land there for 50 years, and before this is over you can bet those lease payments will not be going to Kiev.

The bottom line here is the EU is going to have to fund the nat gas and they absolutely don't want to do that.  All these yelled about plans to "reverse pipeline flow" and send nat gas from Poland or the Czechs to Ukraine never answer the critical questions (plural)

1) how do they get paid for it and

2) if they reverse flow, how do they get nat gas themselves?

Russia has the dominant position, but the LAST thing they want to do is go military.  They collect $500 billion/year from their enemies, drained from them, money that might have built weapons, and they do it by selling their enemies things that they burn immediately so that they have to buy more.

Why would you want to go military when your enemy is cutting his own throat?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:01 | 4709183 sushi
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Actually the major agricultural regions are in the west.

The major industrial locations are on the Donetsk Basin due to the fact this region also had significant supplies of coal.

Russia is the primary customer for Ukrainian industrial goods.

Not sure where the Chinese land investments are located.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:05 | 4709201 Soul Glow
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Europe buys 1/5 (conservative estimate) of its grains from Ukraine.  I'd say that is substantial.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:27 | 4709481 sushi
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And Saudi Arabia and some other Middle Eastern countries are also heavily reliant on Ukrainian grain exports. Don't have the tonnage or % but one can see that KSA has an axe to grind in this fight. Open conflict would likely result in food shortages in ME and that will lead to riots and social unrest. Food shortages were a primary driver behind the unrest in Tunisia and Egypt.

KSA will be heavily conflicted over this issue as KSA and Turkey are co-operating and seek USSA intervention in Syria in order to advance Sunni interests. Russia has provided support to Syria and driving Russia out of western markets will result in increased Russian interaction with both Iran and Syria. Elsewhere on ZH is a story about Russia bartering Iranian oil for industrial goods. Not sure if S-400 systems qualify as "industrial goods."


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:29 | 4709523 CrashisOptimistic
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You're wrong.  I looked it up very recently.  The west grows only sugar beets.

The major area is in the east.  I posted links to ZH too.

And here they are:

Most Ukraine grain goes to the middle east.  They know where it grows.


China has reportedly agreed with Ukraine to lease 3 million hectares of Ukrainian farmland for the next 50 years, making Ukraine China's largest overseas farming center.

Chinese media reports said on September 22 that China's Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps (XPCC) had signed an agreement with Ukrainian government-controlled agricultural firm KSG Agro to lease initially 100,000 hectares in Ukraine's eastern Dnipropetrovsk region.

And here is where that is:

At least look shit up before you post.



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:50 | 4709595 sushi
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I looked it up too! This is what I found in regard to growing areas and major products.



central and south central region

Oblasts: Kiev, Cherkasy, Kirovohrad




Eastern regions

Oblasts: Karkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk, Donets



east and southern region

Oblasts: Karkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk, Donets, Zaporizhia, Kherson


Sugar beet

central and western regions

Oblasts: Kiev, Cherkasy, Kirovohrad, and about 11 other oblasts.


The Dnieper River runs North - South through central Ukraine.


At least read your own shit before you post it.

Other than that snark thanks for the link.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:02 | 4709633 Raphio
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Thanks for the info guys...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:06 | 4709641 CrashisOptimistic
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Well answered, but here are the quotes:

Hmm, why can't I paste from that arab link.  Well, you can read it yourself.  Only the sugar beets talk about the west.  Corn is east.  Wheat is south central, aka not west.

Only sugar beets appears with a search on the word "west" in that article (which is excellent).

Again, good answer, but clearly there ain't much in the west.  A look at the map shows the river east of central btw.

God knows what the EU is thinking.  They are going to wind up feeding a bunch of parasites.



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:30 | 4709908 sushi
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And you had it right in regard to the Chinese investment.

There appear to be two or three other extremely large "industrial agriculture" undertakings in Ukraine. 

The Chinese option and a second one in the East and a major sugar beet conglomerate in the west. As I understand the stats the west are basically the poor cousins of the industrial and agricultural heartland in the East. East Ukraine might be able to stand independently but I doubt that would be possible for the East hence the putschists adverse reaction to the concept of "federalization."

Plus any serious conflict is going to render the growing areas unusable for an extended period. There have to be a lot of global players looking at this situation and coming to the realization the white anglo exceptionalists are exceptionally insane because if this goes down at lot of folks are going to feel the hurt, not just those in the RF.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:16 | 4710304 Volkodav
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Further West is more forest, central and some west is some beets, some potatoe and other. soils are comparison to other regions east and south

These are former Polish lands and where the banderist radicals thrive..Lvov and that area


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:11 | 4710284 Volkodav
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Sushi   did you not post that major agriculture was west?

then post opposite from Wiki and act like never happened?

better read your own shit firstly...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:03 | 4709594 Raphio
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US Agri Business giants are salivating at the prospect of getting their teeth into Europe's breadbasket... and Russia just put a 3 year moratorium on any GMOs...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:09 | 4709648 CrashisOptimistic
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That China leasing article above, some associated links said Monsanto was going to build a seed factory in Ukraine, but agreed it would be non GM.  All fertile, multi generational seeds.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:33 | 4709712 Raphio
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I don't know too much shit from shinola... but if the US and China are both so actively involved in Ukrainian agriculture... then obviously there is another big friction point

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:02 | 4710233 Volkodav
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Monsanto lies...anything to get foot in the door...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:00 | 4710227 Volkodav
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Russia has normal wholesome food, fresh grown produce and natural dairy, even fresh raw milk from vending machine.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:55 | 4710213 Volkodav
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Major Agriculture regions in the west?


West is Polish poor part...beets there and central...west is forest

South and East is deepest topsoil, up to 13 meter...Wheat Barley Nuts Vegetables and other.

China deal sounds real..different way business is run there...

I was offered 50,000 acre freepay or near nothing for decades long lease in Volga Region.

Putin Administration is following example of Great Katerine who invited German farmers, bankers and other to build economy...

Bolshevik 1917 thru Stalin Soviet destroyed the progess, murdered the farmers and much lands abandoned in real.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:56 | 4710219 Volkodav
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Nyet...most is south and east .....N

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:43 | 4709114 power steering
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He's mounted his trusty steed Tammerlane shirtless with bow and arrows in hand to rectify any western indiscretion to the cheers of his countrymen...... unlike our drooling, flatulent leaderr

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:40 | 4709563 HardAssets
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No matter what you think of him - pro or con, there's definitely a great gap between the gravitas of Putin and US 'leadership':

- Putin is trained in law and specialized in international law

- He was one of the 'black colonels' in the KGB and has a background in counter-intelligence at street level.

- He is a multi billionaire who threw out the oligarchs who bought up the assets of the USSR after its fall


On the other side ?    Well, what can you say . .

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:31 | 4709915 lostintheflood
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hard forgot to mention that you can look into his eyes and see his soul...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:52 | 4710200 StychoKiller
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Hmm, so the typical Russian living in Ukraine would be more than happy to see Ukraine get "Cypressed?"  Check yer premises.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:38 | 4709085 LawsofPhysics
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Indeed, what part of "nationalized" energy companies don't the western oligarchs understand?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:40 | 4709095 McMolotov
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The West is trying its best to provoke Russia without being obvious. That strategy is failing, so expect the provocations to continue to ramp up until Putin is forced to react (thereby making it "Russia's fault") or until we set aside all pretense and send in troops (again, thereby making it "Russia's fault").

No matter what happens, it will be blamed on Russian escalation — even if said escalation doesn't exist.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:46 | 4709124 Cast Iron Skillet
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"without being obvious" ... huh?! But the rest of the post is spot on.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:52 | 4709143 McMolotov
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Don't get me wrong, it's obvious to us here on ZH.

But people who get their news from the big talking box still think this is all a rational reaction by the US government to Russia "invading" Crimea. The government wants to keep those folks as clueless and uninformed as possible. The illusion of righteousness must be maintained.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:05 | 4709202 Zirpedge
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Look at the bottom left of screen..footer states copyright ABC Media, LTD.

Anyone else here think that maybe this posturing is theatre and that behind the scenes we are collaborating with Russia in order to drive up nat gas prices and crush the EU..remember F*** the EU? We seem to have been disrupting evey other nat gas pipeline from Afghanistan to Syria over the last decade...just sayin



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:31 | 4709294 McMolotov
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As far as I know, ABC Media, LTD isn't the same as Diane Sawyer and George Snuffleupagus ABC.

As to your second point, I guess anything is possible, but the thought of it makes my head hurt like Inception.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:58 | 4709616 Zirpedge
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I guess it's not worth questioning who owns this place or types the headlines or cherry picks the range on the charts for dramatic effect. I'm not interested in uncovering some conspiracy behind ZH. I treat this place with the same skepticism I have for Mickey Mouse, Fox or CNN.

Yeah, I'm just looking at the "Qui Bono" of it.  Who loses when Gasprom (only game in town) is given reason to raise prices for nat gas. Simple as that, as far as I see it there is no alternative set up to supply the EU with gas. 



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:56 | 4709162 Harbanger
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Yeah, no matter what, it's his fault.  The MSM will blame him like a straight white male.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:01 | 4709182 McMolotov
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He "acted stupidly" and, in accordance with tradition, will be chastised at an Obama beer summit.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:05 | 4709203 Harbanger
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We know what the MSM script will be.  Do you think academia or hollywood will be pro-west on this?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:31 | 4709708 AlgorithmOfCons...
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I think the overall quality of the ruling class of the American Empire has diminished over the years.  The "leaders" of the US are not of a worldly caliber, certainly are not the shrewed diplomats we see in Putin or Lavrov.  I recall an interview Putin once gave wherein he mentioned he read Colin Powell's autobiography.  Have Obama or Kerry read Lavrov's or Putin's equivalent, at least a biography? It seems all Obama or Kerry know of these foreign dignitaries is what they are told from "staff," "intelligence" and "think-tanks."  The US leaders are not very well-read or well-versed in foreign cultures and societies and suffer from myopia due to the unfortunate historical accident of the unipolar financial system that has dominated the earth since about 1991.  This inevitably breeds elitism, which leads to arrogance, which leads to pride.  However, unipolarity is an exception to the historical rule, as power always seeks an equilibrium.  But an even more important lesson the US ruling class has forgotten from history is that power is always cyclical. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:39 | 4709093 Aknownymouse
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FOLKS!! WAIT!!  I NEED MAJOR HELP.  Did someone catch CNBC's top person number 17??  I was taking a dump and missed it.  PLEASE HELP.


/fucken shitty network and a shitty market

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:49 | 4709135 SAT 800
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There you go; spank Chevron and Oblahblah will bleat.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:58 | 4709166 sushi
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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:25 | 4709046 Thecomingcollapse
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And Kerry sharts just a little


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:27 | 4709048 Grande Tetons
Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:27 | 4709054 BandGap
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And Putin says "it hurts when I pee".

Really, if I don't listen to this bullshit here, why should I listen to what he has to say? Nobody, and I mean here or there, gives a flying fuck about they working people of the world.

Now, go fuck yourself Vlad, and take that fucking Barry the fucking Peace Prize winner with you.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:39 | 4709077 Ignatius
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And so, like Pussy Riot, you thought you might just wander into church, screech out some unintelligible song of your personal liberation while forcing a chicken up your vagina, and leave?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:42 | 4709110 Soul Glow
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BandGap, I like your style.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:09 | 4709213 BandGap
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I can live with myself, and my family loves me. More than most.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:43 | 4709343 Soul Glow
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It's Fight Club.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:43 | 4709571 CrashisOptimistic
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Good call.

No one learns anything in an echo chamber.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:31 | 4709295 SmittyinLA
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Hey the chicken angle is new, those commie broads are kinky.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:38 | 4709555 Rakshas
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Posers........... cheap posers... man ...

Head off to Bangkok........... that's the place you ought to be....... if you really want to meat chicks that don't squat to pee

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:47 | 4709965 kurt
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There deep in his vas deferense they meet. Two virus segments one needing what the other has. Sure he had a good time with the "ladyboys". His first had long since died. Now dozens, then an army of duplicate soldiers break into his immune system, into his lymphatics. Finally making it to his cerebral spinal fluid, his temperature rises. Now, one by one his brain cells die. In a effort to rebuild shattered circuits, he constructs, without knowing, new opinions, thoughts cascade into nonsense. Dementia captures him. He signs into Zero Hedge choosing the name "Rakshas" an anagram for a Rash on his Ass which is his only symptom of the disease that will soon kill him.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:13 | 4709654 HardAssets
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"Nobody, and I mean here or there, gives a flying fuck about they working people of the world."

And there's no Santa Claus either. Duh.

Of course these national level politicians care first about themselves and their own personal power.

That said, some of them seem to tie their own success to having a population that at least survives. Maybe they just see themselves as farmers looking after their 'livestock'. - - -On the other hand, it seems that some members of the power mad crowd are actually trying to kill off & impoverish their national population, thin out the herd.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:28 | 4709058 franzpick
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Putin: Revoke the re-entry visas of American astronauts on the ISS.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:37 | 4709068 nonclaim
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Mir has fallen into the Pacific depths long ago ...

<-- lunatics downvoting a known fact :)

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:29 | 4709060 Quinvarius
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Nobody understands Obama's responses to Ukraine.  They make as much sense as Feinsteins attempted gun bans of weapons with carrying handles or pistol grips.  There is no understanding of the substance.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:49 | 4709131 Poor Grogman
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Ask Henry Kissinger what's going on,

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:12 | 4709228 BandGap
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They understand, it just doesn't fit the narrative.

The brown clown was sent to sow chaos. So far, so good.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:31 | 4709067 cherry picker
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If governments can't find hell on earth, they will make it.

It's always about someone controlling the life of another, isn't it?

I don't need anyone to tell me how to live, who I have to pay and so on. I don't want to be telling people I know how to run their lives.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:35 | 4709079 border dog
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The West will pay a price big time......the bear becomes angry...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:01 | 4709100 Soul Glow
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The lifeblood of the economy is oil; the higher the price of oil the harder it is for importers to sustain high levels of growth/GDP - it also gives more control to the exporters.

Despite what the MSM says fracking will only stop gap US oil production.  Its timeframe for its current rate of production is 5-7 years.  We only have a year or so left before we really have little oil (to sustain current growth expectations) unless we Tap the Rockies.

Oh, and you are hearing it hear first -  SOUL GLOW BABY - The GOP will have a Presidential election slogan "Tap the Rockies", probably spearheaded by cheerleader extraordinaire Sarah Failin', I mean Pailin.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:25 | 4709268 BandGap
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I really get a kick out of assholes thinking the US military isn't top shelf. If anyone thinks for one fucking second that Russia OR China would not challenge the US to a fight if they had the hardware or training, you are fucking playing with yourself. BOTH already know the score.

Say what you want, but the fucking US armed forces were every bit as good (overall) as the fucking highly fucking trained professional army the Germans fielded in WW2 (don't talk to me about Sherman tanks). From that point forward the US owned the world and they still do. Anyone who understands what stainless steal means in China (it isn't the fucking same as here) or what programming means in Russia (where the fuck to start with this)  will fucking understand that if this is extrapolated to their armed forces the Russian and Chinese armies are SHIT.

The fucking US GETS PLAYED ON THE WORLD STAGE. If you don't have an army worth dick you move towards "understanding" and "empathy" on the world stage. Any one of us would do the same if we were going to get our asses beat by a foe too large to overcome, particularly in public. THINK PEOPLE. The soft war, the war of words, the war of "reason". Cheap, easy and aloows tome to 1. strategize, 2. form alliances or 3. run the fuck away!

Please factor this understanding into your future considerations.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:45 | 4709352 Soul Glow
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Speaking of those German troops, as highly trained as they could be, when Germany was no longer sold oil by Standard Oil and had to liquify coal to power their tanks, they got held up on the Eastern Front and took a beating on the West Front.

EROEI is a bitch.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:59 | 4709404 yrbmegr
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They got held up on the Eastern Front because it was winter in Russia and the Germans didn't have the right clothes.  They took a beating on the Western Front because they got quagmired on the Eastern Front.  The Eastern Front happened because the Germans got delayed launching their attack.  They were delayed because they had to bail Mussolini out of Greece.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:34 | 4710142 Volkodav
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Exactly...good post!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:45 | 4709353 kurt
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Hey Bigballs!

One "oopseydaisie" with a nuke, Two "oopseydaisie" with a nuke. One hypersonic missle to the Big Ol' Aircraft Carrier. OOPS we bombed a chemical biological site, OOPS Israil thinks "Everybody's Trying to Kill Me!" Blamo Blam Blamowitz! nuke, nuke, nuke. Oops the disease lab reversed its vacumes now it's pumping crap into the air. Oops we loaded the wrong canister in the Chemtrail jets. Ooops! Oops, maybe all those vacinations we gave the soldiers was a bad idea. OOOPS! Maybe dumbing down everyone with flouride was a bad idea because they "just get confused" when we give the orders. Oops maybe letting messianic judahites infiltrate our media, government, militaries, thinktanks, and foreign policy (they were already in the Fed), was a bad idea? Ooops! Maybe letting the nuke industry talking us into putting radioactive Uranium in our bullets, shells, missles, and bombs was a bad idea. 

Your big bad military is compromised, corrupted, misinformed, misdirected and drugged. Put your dick back in your pants please.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:47 | 4709358 Soul Glow
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It takes wealth to power a military, it doesn't take a military to power wealth.  Everyone knows that.  The USMIC is broke and running on fumes.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:58 | 4709403 Deathrips
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I like your style Soul. Fuck Statists!


Careful with that statement.


While it doesnt take a military to power wealth, I would assert that a military (especially a big rabid one) can steal wealth


For example. Stealing Ukrainian gold, Stealing WT7 gold, Stealing public land (bundy), stealing sheeps money (insider trading and devaluation of currency), soon to be stealing bank "deposits", stealing elections.


I guess my point is this.

The USM has sworn an oath to protect the constitution. They havent done shit but get top brass fired in non violent protest. I think I see a bit of agreement through consent on the military part. If they dont watch the tower...why have a watchman?


You know that the only people left for them to "win" against(steal more from), is the people...and I think you know its coming.



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:04 | 4709424 BandGap
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I love when the traps are full and mice start to chant.

See T-72s vs Abrams, 20 years ago. Pick a battlefield, let's go.

If you think tactical missiles are any better, good luck. They are a level above sophistication that was require for tanks, so think in terms of order of magnitude.

Why do you think the Japanese are our allies?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:26 | 4709897 kurt
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Yes, and young Adolph Hitler soaked his dad's honey bee hive with gasoline and lit it saying, "I'll never forget the sound of the bees screaming."  Keep it up, War-Boy.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:33 | 4710139 Volkodav
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useless talkings

T72 is decades old design...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:24 | 4710333 StychoKiller
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Massive numbers has a quality of its own.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:01 | 4709411 The Black Bishop
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That was a lot of pissing in the wind...


IMO typical brainwashed american moron. Wave the flag and cheer some more!


You think the USA won WW2? Fuck  that shit, it was the Ruskis that steamrolled the German army. Sure, the supplies from the US was nice, but it was russian blood that paved the way to victory.


I really hate windbags such as BandGap. You -really- should try to wrap your head around the Russian and Chinese missile developments. It is all lowcost offense/defense to counter US forces. The US is behind the curve and the US military is already strained by 14 years of continuous warfare. You want to sentence thousands of more americans to die for some shit island in the South China Sea or for fucking pisspoor Ukraine? That will go over well in the public I bet... Sure, the hype-o-meter is high and the flagwaving is strong, but once the bodybags starts coming back home its not so fun no more is it?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:08 | 4709442 BandGap
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I am as much against what is going on as any. But I see more than you do, my friend.

You simply do not see, and all it takes is a step back. This "war" is first one of public perception. The reason is that the muscle isn't evenly distributed. Recognizing that doesn't make me a "flag waver". It makes me a realist. Now go fuck yourself.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:05 | 4709427 IndianaJohn
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BandGap, -- and could you tell us how many flaming queers there are in the Russian and Chinese armies? And how is it that the US army can't defend itself from a gunman? Twice at Fort Hood. If you let us know, mabe we will give you another "kick" per your first sentence.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:04 | 4709428 IndianaJohn
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BandGap, -- and could you tell us how many flaming queers there are in the Russian and Chinese armies? And how is it that the US army can't defend itself from a gunman? Twice at Fort Hood. If you let us know, mabe we will give you another "kick" per your first sentence.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:11 | 4709453 BandGap
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The US army is the best equipped, best trained and most highly skilled army in the world.

That doesn't mean I agree with the policies and practices of the US government.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:44 | 4709575 CrashisOptimistic
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It is.

But it will have problems if there is no fuel.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:23 | 4709684 Volkodav
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Georgian army was better equipped also, with billions new taxpayer paid equipment which they abandoned at a run back to Tblishi with their helpful "Advisors" outrunning them..

Russia only sent old armor T72 and even T55 and T64...and lesser forces in initial assault..

Ask in Afghanistan who they respect as soldiers and who they despise...


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:39 | 4709941 TPTB_r_TBTF
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can you tell me how many closet queers are in the Russian and Chinese armies?

then we could compare the number of flaming queers in the US Army to the closet queers in their armies.

As if sexual preferance matters on a battlefield...

As if the number of queers mattered in some perverse way.

How many closet queers were in the US Army during WWII?  Does it matter?  How?


> And how is it that the US army can't defend itself from a gunman?

wow, two guys shot a few guys.  The next war is already lost!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:54 | 4709080 Soul Glow
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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:38 | 4709086 ebworthen
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"Banks not Tanks" the 21st century way, apparently.

I keep hearing people like Kerry say things like "This is the 21st century after all" as if it's o.k. to oppress people with corrupt banks and governments in collusion.

War is a racket, but so are .gov, Wall Street, and Brussels.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:44 | 4709117 agent default
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Until  someone says fuck it and decides to drive a tank through the bank. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:57 | 4709167 Ignatius
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Personal QE.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:39 | 4709094 NOZZLE
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Maybe ObamaKlown can have NBA commissioner sanction Putin by banning him for life and fining him $2,000,000,000 for making ObamaKlown look like the weak, impotent, fetal position, coke sniffing, trouser pilot, affirmative action clown that he is.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:42 | 4709111 Cast Iron Skillet
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Over here the referees show soccer players a red card to ban them from the game. Maybe it would work better if Obama would dance around with a red card ...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:51 | 4709144 steveo77
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And those are his good points.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:40 | 4709098 Cast Iron Skillet
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Wow! if Putin continues the cool head approach it'll drive the warmongers in the West crazy. What'll they do? invade - 'cause Putin is moving troops around in his own country?


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:52 | 4709148 Poor Grogman
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Gotta spread that free dumb

It's for the mic I mean children.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:41 | 4709099 Joe Tierney
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Putin's not doing a lot of telegraphing his moves in advance - he's content to steadily put together Eastern deals and cooperation which he knows will eventually crash the petrodollar, and he leaves the big mouthed assholes routine to Western leaders, they're much better qualified for that, and stupidly telegraph everything in advance.


Soon, when the financial feces hits the rotating air screw, it will catch the West by total surprise - their financial order will be history before they even realize it. They grossly underestimate Russia and its growing list of Eastern partners. Putin's happy with that for now - it gives him cover.


Now, who's playing this smart, and who's playing it like a bunch of spoilt, moronic assholes?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:41 | 4709103 drendebe10
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More an more gum flappin with nothing of any consequence occurring subsequently.... flapflapflapflapflapflapflapflapflap....    ZZzzzzzzzzzz

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:48 | 4709128 Brokenarrow
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I was born in the us. I have watched dc and wall st rape the population my entire life. market crashes, wars, poverty, corruption, and a host of other garbage.

Its a damn shame when you start rooting for your own country to lose. its a damn what they have gotton away with.

I assure you. I am not the only person that feels this way.

Im amused by the the little zh snipes and jokes that get posted here. I have a feeling most people are afraid to post what they really think.

They al "hate obama" I got news flash. It aint obama fuckin you. It's mostly wall st. obama cant do shit without ending up like kennedy. and, he dont have the balls to do anything anyway. obama dont have a clue whats really going on in the world or this country.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:47 | 4709587 Canucklehead
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Relax.  You are not the first American to root for the end of the USA.  Back in the thirties, your forefathers, the Bund(t) Party, were extolling the virtues of that "other" European Miracle Maker.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:04 | 4709639 Volkodav
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Your ignorance is showing again...

Germany never wanted war.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:52 | 4709136 thewayitis
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 The game is not going well.......


Russia Imports MORE than it exports.....

 Rusisia has China on there side....Like a chess gae "check"

 Oh Crimea. Russia start importing more from them...."check"

 Russia says "Tarrifs on U.S. Imports".  Like a chess game "Check Mate"



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:28 | 4709519 silvermail
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"Russia Imports MORE than it exports....."

Really? And while gold reserves Russia under Putin has increased 8 times?
I think you had a bad teacher of arithmetic in your elementary school.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:50 | 4709137 Infinite QE
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It feels like American diplomats just came out of kindergarden and are trying to debate global issues with a judo master, economics degree world leader.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:00 | 4709178 Soul Glow
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Considering American diplomats, even if we should call them such, were raised spoonfed their whole lives, this behavior is to be expected.  Al Gore was handed everything he has ever gotten.  McCain, Kerry, Bush, Hillary Rodham - these peoples grandparents were politicians.  Their families go back to major NY banking houses hundreds of years ago.  They have an agenda, yet long ago failed to understand they are not the all powerful oligarchs they thought they were.

Yes Putin is challenging them, and yes he expects to win.  The best thing for Americans to do right now is cast these fleas from our government - if we should have the government we have is another debate altogether - and right our ship.

Will this happen before the economy slides back before the great paper experiment that openly started in '87 with the implatation of the President's Working Group on Financial Markets?  Who knows?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:33 | 4709301 RaceToTheBottom
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You said Economics Degree as a compliment, right?

Just checking, cause I think Economics degrees are lower than underwater basketweaving and central planning  economics degrees are worse than that.

  You might want to go with Putin's strength: the ability to play the Obamster....

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:01 | 4709629 Volkodav
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Degree of Economics of St Petersburg Mining Institute Graduate Level.

This generation under Soviet were best educated populance of any nation worldwide.

You have no idea...

Not like Ivy League priviledged great sense of self entitlement spoiled super incompetent...but most opposite

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 15:37 | 4717318 RaceToTheBottom
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Mathematics, Physics, even computer programming, I may agree with you.  I am jusut not sure economics thought is presented without the politics of central planning hiding other economic thought.  I could be wrong, but am not sure.

Don't disagree about Ivy league comment.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:51 | 4709599 Volkodav
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Leningrad State U International Dept of Law

St Petersburg Mining Institute Economics

Grew up in pest infested communal tenement flat..

One older brother dead of diptheria as youngster during siege of Leningrad.

Several older relatives lost in war also.

difference in experience is stark in real



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:54 | 4709153 Crash2012
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Russia may reconsider participation of Western companies in egenergy projects if sanctions continue


This has worked out so well for Venezuala it is clearly the best solution for Russia to pursue!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:16 | 4709243 Zerozen
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Russia isn't Venezuela.

Venezuela is a typical 3rd world banana republic, moreso hampered by socialist policies and because they kicked out all the smart people in 2001. PDVSA doesn't have what it takes to grow production on its own.

Russia is a different story. Their domestic oil industry has a long history. The world's first producing oil well was drilled in the Russian Empire back in the day. They were hitting multimillion-barrel-per-day production numbers decades ago, using homegrown tech. They may have fallen behind some as a result of chaos following the collapse of the USSR, but comparing them to Venezuela is not a good comparison.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:52 | 4709588 CrashisOptimistic
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It shames me this person is called Crash.

There is an article this morning about Exxon getting nervous about its contract to drill in the Russian Arctic.  The contract is with Rosneft.  Its CEO was just added to the sanctions list.

In that article the price tag of the Exxon exploration well is presented.  Before I quote it . . .

EOG and Continental are trying to get their Bakken well drilling / fracking costs down.  They are presently about $8 million per well.

The quote from the article -- $600 million.

BTW Venezuela oil is very low API.  Very viscous.  Russian oil is good quality.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:41 | 4709332 IndianaJohn
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Crash, -- Russia is run and represented by White Men.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 15:57 | 4709168 Fast Twitch
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Seems that Barry thought he could take Vlad with words, but don't forget Vlad is a MMA kinda guy. To me Vlads' latest press release to the West goes something like this "Somebody is going to Tap Out and it's not going to be me" 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:10 | 4709216 Dre4dwolf
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The only one being hurt by sanctions is USA.

Thats what happens when your entire economy is a ponzi scheme and you have almost no "real jobs" left. . .  other nations start to realize how useless your country is and they start to cut the cancer (you) out of the economy.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:10 | 4709217 BIHM
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Telegraphing is all the US has at this point.  In all respects.  Look at the primary Fed tool these days.... telegraphing what they may or may not do with forward guidance that equates to nothing more than bullshit to attempt to control market behaviour.  The reality is the market ends up controlling the Fed's behaviour because the Fed has no basis for control.  Likewise US diplofucksticks 'telegraph' what they may or may not do in an attempt to control Putin.  In the end the same result.  Putin ends up controlling the situation.  And why?? well the same reason the market controls the Fed.  The dog with no teeth but a loud bark does not alpha trump the dog with no bark but big teeth. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:23 | 4709261 Rough-Trader
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When will the talk show end?

lets start the killing so that peace may follow!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:37 | 4709321 IndianaJohn
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On your mark.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 16:55 | 4709392 yrbmegr
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A distinction without a difference.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:02 | 4709417 DOGGONE
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Actionable Message Delivered to both Putin & Obama -- huge truth opportunity

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:51 | 4709598 SharkBit
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Is it me or does it seem that Russia is just buying time until Putin meets with China in May to ink Holy Grail Gas Deal?  Game, Set, Match.  Plugs pulled,  $ crash, markets go algo ape shit, hackers unleashed.  Retaliation.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 17:55 | 4709608 Rakshas
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I'm not so much in love with Putin by any stretch but I do respect the quite cool he projects in dealing with the fools of the west.

A few years ago I was working in the North Sea our installation was constantly being overflown by RAF interceptors - those EuroCrap thingys mostly - in response to Tu 95s flying just on the edge of UK airspace at the time the Idiot Bush commented something about Putin playing around with the rusted out junk while the Idiot Bush was on a NAZION tour selling the ABM shield Putin chuckled as I recall....... I thought you lucky russian bastards at least you have someone that at least appears to provide direction....and has a brain.

By contrast, we have had some serious idiots fronting for the NAZI-CONS for a long long time, Kennedy was the last one that I would credit with any level of ability but even then I really choke on that one too,  but the shadow goverment has done a very good job of distracting the sheeple - actually creating the sheeple from the dirty 30's right up to present day - they are a dedicated lot to be sure but with each successive regime head the shadow goverment has been broadcasting thier message loud and clear - we the people  do not control anything not even our pathetic little vote process.  

Obama - fuck....... really

George W - I are can spell prezidant

Clinton - if he'd been born with tits he'd never have gotten off the couch

George HW - would bore the paint off a toilet seat

Reagan - actually Nancy had some reasonable policies

........fuk it i give up


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:03 | 4709636 Son of Captain Nemo
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Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language. We know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from,” Kerry said at a private meeting of the Tri Lateral Commission in Washington on Tuesday."...

I think it's safe to say that the level of desperation is very much "one sided".  I'm actually starting to feel sorry for the level of sick desperation the "once mighty" is showing the rest of World right about now!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:25 | 4709692 TruthTalker
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do not feel sorry for them in the least

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:47 | 4709758 Son of Captain Nemo
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My apologies. 

Embarassing and delusionally challenged would have been a much better description for U.S. foreign policy these past 20 years.

Thanks for the Janda interview!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:34 | 4709923 Fast Twitch
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Kerry said at a private meeting of the Tri Lateral Commission in Washington.

HTF can you call it a private meeting once you've leaked the message to the entire planet?

Calling bullshit on this one John...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:24 | 4709690 TruthTalker
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Wouldn't it be friggen awesome if Putin blew the whistle on the NWO and Obama - tell the world the truth!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:57 | 4709788 Gadfly
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“Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language. We know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from,” Kerry said at a private meeting of the Tri Lateral Commission in Washington on Tuesday.

Yeah sure.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:16 | 4709853 TPTB_r_TBTF
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He admitted that US intel is producing the tapes:   "Intel is producing taped conversations"

So of course our guys "know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from"

Any producer of false tapes knows who's on his team producing false-taped conversations.


He goes on:

It’s not an accident that you have some of the same people identified who were in Crimea and in Georgia and who are now in east Ukraine,” said Kerry.


Well of course this is no accident.  The same CIA guys who produced false tapes back then are still producing false tapes now.  They have a few years yet til retirement.  They will likely produce more false tapes in the future.


And he drags on:

This is insulting to everybody’s intelligence, let alone to our notions about how we ought to be behaving in the 21st century."


Ummm... yes, these false tapes are insulting to everybody's intelligence.  So just stop producing false tapes!


Just one question, "did the Daily Beast obtain the tape of the Kerry interview, or did the Beast produce the tape?"  They claimed they "obtained" it.  What does "obtain" mean?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 05:26 | 4711133 Aussiekiwi
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This is insulting to everybody’s intelligence, let alone to our notions about how we ought to be behaving in the 21st century."

Kerry is insulting to my intelligence, he is determined to abuse Putin until Putin retaliates, of the two it is not difficult to see which is the statesman and which is the hack politician.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:01 | 4709799 SmittyinLA
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What part of........ "we're broke got better jets and want your stuff" does Putin Not understand? 

C'mon, cough up Ukraine assets and move on, we'll even give you a cut o the loot Vlad. 




Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:09 | 4709834 brennanblue
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Tylers, please note/correct the egenergy typo in the lede. This deletable comment will then have served its purpose. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:15 | 4709848 SmittyinLA
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Putin could woo the Japs out of the tri-lateral commission by offering the Kurile Islands and energy discounts, we can offer them bad debt, pink Slime, and mass immigration demands

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:36 | 4710389 StychoKiller
Wed, 04/30/2014 - 02:30 | 4711022 Magooo
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Anyone who stands agains the Deep State --- is on YOUR SIDE.


Remember the Deep State is the master of Obama and all the policitians you cannot stand -- whom you rant against for their corruption --- who are robbing you and your children and their children blind --- who send your jobs overseas.




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