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Ron Paul Redux: Warns Against Arming Land Management Officials In 1997

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Via The Economic Noise blog,

Speaking on the House of Representatives floor on September 17, 1997, then-Rep. Ron Paul warned of the “massive buildup of a virtual army of armed regulators.”

Paul, the chairman and founder of The Ron Paul Institute, proceeded to comment in his speech that, with the number of armed federal employees approaching 60,000, the Secretary of the Interior was pushing for even the Bureau of Land Management to be armed.

With the continuing rise of SWAT over the following 16 years, the number of armed US government employees continued to grow.

According to the bulletin - Federal Law Enforcement Officers, 2008 of the Bureau of Justice Statistics - by September of 2008 “federal agencies employed approximately 120,000 full-time law enforcement officers who were authorized to make arrests and carry firearms in the United States,” with 255 of them working for BLM.

We saw the United States government’s armed agents in action recently at the Bundy ranch in Nevada. We also saw them back off, at least for now, when confronted by armed protestors. Paul’s concluding sentences of his 1997 speech seem apropos:

"The gun in the hands of law-abiding citizens serves to hold in check arrogant and aggressive government. Guns in the hands of the bureaucrats do the opposite. The founders of this country fully understood this fact."


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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:06 | 4709815 PacOps
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Well, we elected and keep re-electing these @ssholes! Exception Rep. Paul.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:07 | 4709824 whstlblwr
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They hate us for our freedom

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:23 | 4709882 JuliaS
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... and they work for the government.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:25 | 4709893 chumbawamba
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Ron Paul is clearly an idiot.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:27 | 4709900 Xibalba
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A true enemy of 'freedom'.  And I use that term loosely

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:28 | 4709904 chumbawamba
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He certainly is in the land of Sardonica.  And also in the Land of the Insane (a.k.a. United States).

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:41 | 4709949 Prisoners_dilemna
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"Truth is treason in an Empire of lies" Ron Paul

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:38 | 4710899 james.connolly
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'Truth' will get you deleted, banned and IP blocked
on ZH, ... yeh tell us about 'truth', I want to
hear some

The truth is that NOBODY can handle the truth, not
the unicorns, not the PTB, and not the cops, or the
judges and hangmen.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:08 | 4710263 Dick Buttkiss
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Ron Paul is clearly an idiot.

I am Chumbawamba.

Chumbawamba is clearly an idiot.

I am Dick Buttkiss.

And the state and its apologists can kiss my ass.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:21 | 4710776 MontgomeryScott
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The 'Paul-tards' (Paulistas, Paulites, Paulbots, Ron-Paulians, Whack-jobs, Nutcases, Freaks, CONSTITUTIONAL PATRIOT ENEMIES OF THE STATE) LIKE ME tried to warn everyone I knew when it was still early enough to stop this crap that is NOW happening.


Choom-ba (wamba) is simply thrashing around in the chains of the prison that he has allowed to enslave him (by his aquiescence) to those who seek to destroy all ownership of personal property (and with it, all self-determination, to the point of death by the State). If he was in the CONUS in '08 and '12, do you think he voted for the Choomster (and the first Wookie)? Well, maybe it was Valerie Jarrett and Bloomberg and Reid and Rahm Emmanuel that he REALLY voted for, but he doesn't know these names, I suppose.

Choombawamba is like Pink Floyd, in several respects. HE wants to be comfortably numb to the truth (to the point of death, I think).

I could be incorrect, however, Ass-Kisser. He MIGHT have been 'sarcastic' in his comments:

I don't know about YOUR tenacity and mores in posting what you have done, I think, 'Dick Butkiss'. You seem to be deflecting the comment, and hence the story (and accompanianing video link) regarding President Paul.

I suppose you might be like Mata Hari, simply 'working the (chat)room' (as in the CIA directives from the White House), in order to garner 'intelligence'.

Tell us: Do you think that Clive Bundy is a RAYCISS?

HANNITY sure does! You LIKE hannity, don't you?








Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:37 | 4710980 4 wheel drift
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and YOU (chumba-CACA) are CLEARLY a fucking SHITHEAD....


probably a hypocrite BURRO-crap (bureaucrat)



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:28 | 4709894 hobopants
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Voice in the wilderness, we need more like him.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:15 | 4710069 gafgroocK
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At 3:55 wow! Clinton was faster than Obama at getting an enemy audited by the IRS in only (4) Days!


No Red Tape, boy those were the days!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:24 | 4710105 American Dreams
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You, me, we, dont elect shit.  You, me, we votes are an exercise in futility.  They do not matter, PERIOD.  Fixed, they are as in "fixed" according to the powers at hand.  The sooner we all understand this the better off we will will all be.  Wee can effect change but it will come from the tip of the sword not the tip of a pen or finger that you might vote with.

These are all american dreams


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:49 | 4710193 kchrisc
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Let me say, if no one showed up at the polls, they would still be 'elected.'


The lesson of Waco is, "No more Wacos."

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:40 | 4710400 JLee2027
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Well, we elected and keep re-electing these @ssholes! Exception Rep. Paul.

Electronic wink wink votes keep them in office, not people votes. Until they start using and counting paper ballots only and in public, the results cannot be verified or trusted. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:05 | 4709816 rodocostarica
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I love Ron Paul. He is the only thing to make me hopeful. You rock Ron!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:21 | 4709867 McMolotov
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Years from now, it will be discovered that Ron Paul was a benevolent terminator, sent back from the future by John Connor to warn us about what would happen.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:52 | 4709993 Grande Tetons
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It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.

Terminator 2. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:06 | 4710261 Fox-Scully
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Years (decades) from now, it will be learned that Ron Paul is an alien plant trying to set the fledgling hunan race on the correct path for membership in the continuum.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:28 | 4710118 American Dreams
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Hope is not a stradegy.  Step up!

These are all american dreams



Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:35 | 4710894 james.connolly
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Hope brought us OBAMA

Fuck HOPE,

Our only 'HOPE' is if people get off their ass and
risk their lives.

Hopeless say's I.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:55 | 4710918 Oliver Klozoff
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It's "stragedy", naught else.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:39 | 4710985 4 wheel drift
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well......     while i wished you were right.....


reality tells me......      for this shit-system to EVER work (in some degree of reason) again.....



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:06 | 4709820 bania
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The doctor is in da house!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:13 | 4709843 Hohum
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The Founders also understood that free blacks and slaves should not have guns.  They also understood that gun manufacutring in America was practically non-existent at the time and the "rabble" wouldn't get them.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:22 | 4709874 TrustWho
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Ho,...What are you talking about? Percentage of citizens owning guns in 1776 was much, much, much higher then than now.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:34 | 4709921 BandGap
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Stands close to 40% now.

What was it back in 1776? Bet you it was about the same, certainly not "much, much higher". If not, show me.

What was your point?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:47 | 4710321 chemystical
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"Gun ownership is particularly high compared to other common items. For example, in 813 itemized male inventories from the 1774 Jones national database, guns are listed in 54% of estates, compared to only 30% of estates listing any cash, 14% listing swords or edged weapons, 25% listing Bibles, 62% listing any book, and 79% listing any clothes."

You're free to be a tool, but don't be a lazy tool.  Considering that a longarm was one of the means to put meat on the table and provide defense, you'd have to be an idiot (lazy or otherwise) to envision a Colonial America without a lot of firearms.

I suppose that your revisionist ilk has the colonists either throwing rocks at the hostiles or waiting for the cops to show up and take a report.  (FYI constables at the time were few and far between. America's Founding Fathers were more self-reliant and community-reliant than tools like you)

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:58 | 4710475 disabledvet
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We didn't have automatic weapons in 1776.

And we were better shots then too.

Hunting is a passion of a bunch of family members of mine...but the purpose of just packing...with one in the chamber no an accident waiting to happen.

And yes...all meetings were conducted with loaded weapons left at the door...neatly organized of course "back in the day."

No rounds were chambered.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:54 | 4710211 4 Freedoms
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Guns were more complicated then.  You needed a couple people just to load a single shot, if you needed it quick.  More often than not, your powder was wet, your flint didn't spark enough, or it would misfire. 

I think anyone should be allowed to own a gun as long as it only uses vintage 1776 technology.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:10 | 4710278 chemystical
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"Guns were more complicated then."

Rubbish.  Utter rubbish.  I shoot muzzle loading during the season, and, while it is slower than todays firearms, it is not more complicated.  I've little doubt you've never fired one (or any gun?).  If you did, and you think it's complicated, then you should not be allowed to play with Legos.

"I think anyone should be allowed to own a gun as long as it only uses vintage 1776 technology."

And if the time comes when you find yourself needing to be defended by a fellow citizen armed with a gun, well, then I'll certainly respect your wishes and allow you to fend for yourself.  Tool.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:56 | 4710013 Beau Tox
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Not true.  Free blacks and slaves fought to defeat the British in my home, New Orleans.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 08:32 | 4711356 pupdog1
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Apparently the colonials shopped for their food at Pick 'n Save.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:18 | 4709862 junction
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Paul should have said: "Machine guns in the hands of the bureaucrats do the opposite."

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:20 | 4709869 Jack Burton
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Ron Paul, a man for our times. No wonder the elites hate the man!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:56 | 4710216 kchrisc
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“Truth is treason in an empire of lies”.

                                                             Ron Paul

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:32 | 4710889 james.connolly
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The JDL, ADL, and AIPAC call Ron Paul the 5th most
'dangerous anti-semite' in the world.

Why would ZH put such a man on a pedestal?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:50 | 4710996 Colonel Klink
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Because the JDL, ADL, and AIPAC are the first greatest threat to this nation as it was founded, that's why.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:22 | 4709875 SharkBit
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Wow! The dude was way ahead of his time.  Come on People.  Time to give Mr. Paul his due.  Certainly more principled than any of the other muppets in Washington.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:24 | 4709883 honkadoo
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Interesting how he (and all other 'conservatives') shut up about it between 2000 and 2008, only to pick it back up thereafter.  Stay classy.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:30 | 4709906 PeterLemonJello
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You're a f'ing moron. Ron Paul never shut up about it. The rest of those idiots....well.....

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:11 | 4709974 Prisoners_dilemna
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You troll.

Conservatives have more in common with democrats and the other false dichotomy parties.

Ron Paul is a libertarian Statesman.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:29 | 4710359 chemystical
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Troll = member for 18 wks 6 days.  A few posts up the page we see poster 4 Freedoms...member for 18 wks 3 days.

Try being a bit less obvious next time.  Who pays you assholes to post this bullshit, and don't you feel the least bit like a slimy Quisling?  I'd say "God help you when the time comes" but I wouldn't mean it.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:43 | 4709958 NoWayJose
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It's not only guns in the hands of the government, but they have their own twisted versions of the 'law' that they can pull out when needed.

Two big cases in the news - one is the Supreme Court possibly letting police have access to anything on your cell phone if they arrest or even just stop you. Moral - stash your cell phones when you are stopped, or find a way to hide or delete your data.

Two is the Byron Smith trial in Minnesota. A 65 year old guy whose house had been buglarized before retreated to his basement with his gun when two teens break into his house. They come down to the basement and he shoots them. Pretty clear case of defending his home and his life. Only problem is that he had an audio recorder running where he commented on the shootings - and not too kindly about the teens. Jury nailed him for the audio recording more than the shooting, even calling it pre-meditated murder. He was a fool to record it and let the police have it - otherwise how can it be pre-meditated if the teens had to do the breaking in?

Watch your electronic data!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:41 | 4710157 American Dreams
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Great note Jose!  I challenge everyone here to go a simple 5 days without your mobile data center.  I would wager 50% of you can not!  It is a challenge I admit, especially if you have a family. They always want to know where you are,what you are doing, only to be comfortable if nothing else.  Programming runs deep.  It made my better half CRAZY.  5 days produced crazy, I was personally amazed.

Kown your enemy


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:03 | 4710247 kchrisc
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Don’t call the police! Research it.

And above all, DON'T TALK TO THE POLICE!!!

They "serve and protect" the elites and banksters and are only looking to make a felony arrest and/or theft of your property, "seizure."


He should have gone and bought some lime, tarps and a shovel, paying with cash of course, and "planted" the weeds.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:11 | 4710940 Oliver Klozoff
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Are you outta yer fuckin' minds?

Those were kids he killed.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:45 | 4711195 Ace Ventura
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Are YOU outta your fuckin' mind? Those were BURGLARS he initially retreated from (under NO obligation to do so in HIS home), only using lethal force when they further violated his home by going into the basement. I don't give a shit if they were 16 year old wannabe thugsters. For cryin' out loud....when did we start coddling thieves, and demonizing regular folks simply defending themselves?!


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:50 | 4709990 SilverIsMoney
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Everything he says in this video is just SPOT ON and EVERYONE KNEW he was CRAZY when he said it, right?!? "What a nut" they thought! The world has been screwed up forever - it just took the internet for people to realize how bad it was. For 35 years this guy was ignored but he just stuck to his beliefs that the Austrian school was right and that freedom and liberty were the only answer to the markets and government. He used to speak to rooms with maybe a few people listening...

Then this happened...

...and what's so significant about this video is that when he stands up to Ghouliani here he has NO IDEA there's an entire army of young people (I was 18 at the time), most of us still here today, who were waiting to jump to his defense and start an intellectual revolution that persists here today, EVERYDAY, at ZH!

Eventually we'll win... I always love watching his 2008 speech at the Rally for the Republic as I remember in the back of my head this is a guy who was ignored, and considered crazy, for 35 years!

Our numbers will only grow larger, our idea's time will come, and free minded people will reclaim what is there's diplomatically or otherwise

"They can never unhear what we tell them" - Ron Paul

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:54 | 4710006 Grouchy Marx
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Government "of, by, and for the people" - not really anymore. 

Old Abe might be on the side of the secessionists today. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:09 | 4710277 kchrisc
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Reclaim it.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:05 | 4710047 foxmuldar
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I'm backing Pauls son Rand. Remember how Rand pressured Holder into replying to his question, "Would you use drones to kill Americans on American soil". We know that drones have been flying over Bundys ranch. Thank god we have a few like Rand Paul who are willing to ask the tough questions. 

And you wonder where all that ammo the government keeps buying up has been going. A lot of it ended up in dead cows. I bet some of those BLM boys wish they could have used it on Bundy and his friends. 

U.S. Postal Service Announces Giant Ammo Purchase

Makes you wonder doesn't it? The Postal service who owes the taxpayer Billions of dollars, the same postal service who won't deliver your mail if your parked in front of your mail box, well WTF do they want with a shit load of ammo?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:53 | 4711203 Ace Ventura
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It's your call, but I would greatly caution against supporting Rand Paul in the belief he is like his father. In Rand's case.....the apple fell FAR from the tree. Don't let Rand capitalize on his father's lifetime of work. In the end, Rand is saying SOME good things.....but ACTING in the ways of a typical run-of-the-mill neocon politician. I saw through the facade the moment he endorsed Flip Romney...while his dad was STILL officially in the race.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:38 | 4713150 kchrisc
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"well WTF do they want with a shit load of ammo?"

To kill people.


"Guns don't kill people, mostly people in uniform do"

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:10 | 4710057 I need Another Beer
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Join the NRA

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:12 | 4710289 kchrisc
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Not to be crass, but my guns are the defense of my guns. They also do not require 'dues.'

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 07:04 | 4711219 Ace Ventura
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NRA is nothing more than a mealy-mouthed PAC full of political suits peddling influence on Capitol Hill. They have...and will....continue to 'negotiate' your 2nd Amendment rights away, gnashing their 'teeth' in dramatic fashion along the way.....and of course....asking for your money to 'keep up the fight'.

These guys endorsed Harry Reid when his seat was up for election against Sharon Angle (a true 2nd Amendment patriot), FFS! If THAT doesn't tell us all we need to know about where NRA's true allegiances are.........

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:37 | 4713134 kchrisc
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So right you are.


"Keep your friends close, and your weapons closer."

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:22 | 4710093 Henry Chinaski
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Small comfort. Ron was right, but (pretty much) nobody listened.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:24 | 4710100 American Dreams
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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:30 | 4710124 foxmuldar
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Its not only Bundys property the BLM is looking to grab. 

Texas Boy Scouts: BLM Eyeing Our Camp 

Still have doubts about a government land grab? I don't.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:58 | 4710224 4 Freedoms
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U.S. out of North America!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:44 | 4710177 Gyoza Mimi
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What about guns held in the hand of arrogant, agressive and racist criminals?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:00 | 4710228 4 Freedoms
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Bundy/Palin 2016.  Sorry.  Random association from your post......

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:15 | 4710301 kchrisc
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How do you know Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Farrakhan have guns?!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:06 | 4710257 Czar of Defenes...
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One single, non-crazy statement - from 18 years ago - from a guy who has completely LOST IT.

That MUST count for *something*....

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:42 | 4710405 22winmag
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Ron Paul... great guy and voice in the wilderness.


Sadly these "way back" videos only prove that working within the system is a joke.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:16 | 4710536 billsbest
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Rand Paul: Israel is "one friend that never leaves our side, has never wavered"

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:27 | 4710577 kchrisc
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"And sold! His soul and all sold to the neo-cons and Israel for 13 pieces of silver.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 11:02 | 4712064 TXSOONER
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100% correct Ron Paul. Hey American People, WAKE UP. Thanks to Obama and his left wing Dem buddies our Healthcare is going down the tubes and gov't might show up and have you arrested for not paying a fine for running a stop sign.

Stand up and vote these left SOB's outta office.

We are fast losing our liberties. WAKE UP NOW. 

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