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The West Prepares: These Are All NATO Aircraft Deployments In Response To The Ukraine Crisis

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It's all the Russians' fault? This does not exactly look like de-escalation to us...



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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:33 | 4709714 Deathrips
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Those are weather tracking planes....duh.



Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:36 | 4709718 KarlGDenninger
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thats enough firepower to wipe out the entire russian airforce i assure you they are no match for western fighters. Say whatever you want bout Sukhoi's or MiG's latest and greatest... Russian pilots get 1/10th flight time ours do.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:38 | 4709728 quintago
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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:40 | 4709734 KarlGDenninger
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Air defense is an outdated concept..the modern day equivlant of the Maginot line. The Russians are years behind and any S-400 'defense' would be dismantled by cruise missile and drone strikes before it ever posed a threat.  

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:44 | 4709747 TungstenBars
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If that were true, which it isn't, the Russians would nuke all the bases launching those fighters. I hope you aren't suggesting the "west" can win a war into Russia. That's laughable. Please read up on your history. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:49 | 4709757 Pinto Currency
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The real story is the LBMA crisis and China getting ready to trade gold and oil in Yuan giving the Yuan received as oil payment convertibility to gold.

Petrogold is coming back.  No stopping it.

Now all those broke NATO countries that have been leasing out their gold have a problem.

War time.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:59 | 4709787 Latina Lover
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This is de-escalation, USSA style. From the State Department Ministry of Truth:


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:03 | 4709805 Latina Lover
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Re Karl D.


Meet the S400:

Outdated, my butt.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:04 | 4709812 negative rates
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I thnk it is a monthly thingy.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:16 | 4709851 0b1knob
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No number of aircraft in East Europe can compensate for the total lack of testicles in Choomboy's nut sack.   Or the lack of a brain in his head.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:19 | 4709866 Winston Churchill
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The bolockovs are Vlads secret weapon.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:48 | 4709975 Save_America1st
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Just keep stackin' phyzz Ag, folks, cuz there's nothing we can do to stop these psychos from getting their war or whatever is going to happen.  They're fucking crazy sociopath scumbags top to bottom.  So as long as they wanna keep it on sale we need to be scooping it up while we can, while supplie is still out there, and while premiums are still nice and low too. 

Their bullshit war may be the cover they need for the destruction of all fiat so they can sneak out the back door acting like nothing happened.  We need to stack that phyzz insurance high just in case the SHTF.  And even if this doesn't escalate into WWIII we're still going to have to face the collapse one of these days in the not too distant future, so get that Ag now while it's on the cheap! 

Just sayin'...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:04 | 4710198 Lore
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This poster 'Denninger' seems like a doltish troll. Taking the position that the outcome is written and there is nothing he does not know seems foolish at best.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:39 | 4710398 Surly Bear
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"We are in the position of a man who has seized a wolf by the ears and dare not let him go." ~ Major-General Friedrich Wilhelm von Mellenthin

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:10 | 4710515 strannick
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I guess Russians only get 1/10th of the flight time ''ours'' (?) do, because they cant afford the avgas? Oh wait a second...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 04:04 | 4711080 FinalEvent
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No, he ment that russian planes have 1/10th of ground repair time compared to the west.

But hey, we need the jobs!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:45 | 4713457 Oracle 911
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Optimist, westerns don' know how to play checkers.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:02 | 4711156 Kevin
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That's what happens when you surround yourself with only ass-wipes and sycophants and delete anything and anyone who has a different opinion. In the end, you actually start believing you're all that when in fact you are no more 'freedom loving' than the power crazy psychos you claim to be railing against.

Every tyrant in history operated under this self-delusion.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:24 | 4710337 BlindMonkey
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"No number of aircraft in East Europe can compensate for the total lack of testicles in Choomboy's nut sack."


Reggie HAS to let him have them back in case of war.  

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:18 | 4710866 Tom Servo
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I think Russia has more than 70 planes, LOL


Mountain out of a molehill... next!!!


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 07:59 | 4711289 Truthseeker2
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The Anglo-American Axis Provokes Russian Fury

"Consequences will be catastrophic in one way or another for the West."

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:19 | 4709856 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"The Russians are years behind and any S-400 'defense' would be dismantled by cruise missile and drone strikes before it ever posed a threat."

Good luck stopping every single nuclear missile Russia has.  I am sure they have done some "lying" as well, when it comes to things like "Start Treaties" and nuclear missile reductions.  You might kick Russias ass conventionally, but they aren't going to just sit there and take that.  If it goes nuclear, you can't begin to stop everything they send.  Even if only 20 100 megaton warheads get thru, its Good Game.  LOSER.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:46 | 4709942 hobopants
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There is no winner... They are going to do what they always do and fight the New War by the old rules only to discover too late that the game has changed.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

-Albert Einstein

What an optimist...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:39 | 4710155 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Russia has been studying our tactics for decades. We have been too busy bombing 3rd world hell holes. Guess who has the advantage?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:06 | 4710256 hobopants
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Nobody? There are no tactics in nuclear warfare, just extinction.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:27 | 4710578 astitchintime
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Would you like a nice game of chess?

Dang, I reckon that is some serious wishful thinking on my part that we could end this the way that War Games ended.  At this rate, we'll be lucky to engage in a game of tiddlywinks or jacks!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:27 | 4710790 hobopants
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Putin vs Matthew Broderick? 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 03:41 | 4711068 UselessEater
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Hollywood? Try Committee of 300.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 08:08 | 4711301 AnAnonymous
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Their heavy study of 'american' tactics does not show. Might be ruse of war.

As long as Putin shows nothing else than a desire to be an 'american', 'americans' have their way.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:52 | 4709997 El Vaquero
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Russia is discontinuing its huge multi-megaton bombs.  And a 100 megaton bomb is physically immense.  It's not going to fit on the top of just any missile.  Had the clad the secondary (and tertiary?) stages of Tsar Bomba with U-238 instead of Pb, it would have been somewhere around 100Mt.  Look up how big that bomb was in terms of its physical dimensions.  They're moving to smaller, more compact warheads and they're MIRVing their missiles. 


You actually reach a point of diminishing returns when it comes to the yield of the bomb.  Going bigger means that maintenance costs more, delivery systems cost more, etc... and going twice the yield does not do twice the physical damage once you get to a certain point, the possible exception being bunker busting.  Remember, Nagasaki was hit with a bomb that was around 20kt.  I know one of Russia's newer missiles is setup to take several MIRVed 550kt warheads.  Nagasaki was royally fucked up by 20kt.  550kt is a fucking city flattener. 


(I'm probably 20 miles from one very likely target and 60 or so from another.  You can say I'm adamantly opposed to anything that might turn nuclear.)


That's one of the problems with nukes.  All the guys who have seen them go off are either ancient or dead.  Humans just don't have the perspective to comprehend what even a 1kt explosion is like unless they witness it.  That perspective is just not there today, and the big secret with them is not how to build them, it is that they work, and that cat is out of the bag.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:14 | 4710053 hobopants
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You got that right, the brevity of our collective memory scares me the most. The proverbial kid has found his dad's gun.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:45 | 4710906 Beam Me Up Scotty
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All they need is one of those to destroy our electrical grid. Soon after, our nuclear plants all go up in smoke when the cooling systems fail. 1 100 megaton bomb at 200 miles would seal the deal I would think. The rest of the nukes would put a lot of people out of their misery quickly.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:31 | 4710131 Save_America1st
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you all ever see that movie "Threads" from 1984?  Ironically enough it's about America escalating shit with Iran and Russia until Russia finally goes full nuke and so do we.  It takes place in England and depicts life in small English town leading up to and after the nukes drop.  Pretty nasty was very graphic for being that old of a movie.  Everything gets obliterated...that's not a spoiler since we all know how nuke war turns out anyway.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:04 | 4710242 HardAssets
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I watched it last weekend. Very well done.

The regular people are first completely unaware of the seriousness of the situation as it unfolds thousands of miles away in news reports on radio & t.v. played in the background. (Sound familiar ?)

In  the end, the horror is controlled by mad'men' and the people have absolutely no final say in the march of events. They believed in all the years of flag waving & by the time they experienced the consequences of those beliefs . . . . well I won't spoil the movie

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:20 | 4710316 lincolnsteffens
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You guys must be too young to have learned how easy it is to protect yourself in case of

nuclear war. I learned in grammar school in the 1950's. Just duck and  cover under a table. I

know it works, 'cause that's what I learned in school.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:40 | 4712553 matrix2012
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In addition to the "Threads" (1984), following documentation about the nuclear warfare is also worth of watching

UNSURVIVABLE (a short nuclear warfare documentary)

A dark, gruesome, but wholly true depiction of the threat of thermonuclear war, the consequences, and Obama’s deployment of a major portion of the U.S. thermonuclear capabilities in multiple theaters threatening both Russia and China.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:25 | 4710783 Wahooo
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Darn. Can they save that big one for Belgium at least?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:36 | 4710809 El Vaquero
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Basel my friend.  Basel.  I'm willing to let the Europeans fuck themselves in exchange for a major blow against central banking. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:41 | 4710987 New Ordnance
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El Vaq,

As you may know, Teller et al - the guys that designed our original nukes - also  knew how to defend against them. (Not too diffcult for air bursts of 1 megaton or less.)

Our gov leaders at the Fed and state levels now have their blast and radiation shelters operational. The Russians have been on a crash program to update and decentralize their civilian shelters for some years now.

Ordinary citizens here in the U.S. are on their own

The first exchanges would be against military targets- still survivable if you are in the right place.

However, our greatest existential threat IMO are the 100+ nuke power plants and their spent-fuel pools in the U.S. that would go Fukashima in a week or so after a grid-down event.

Get this book:


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:55 | 4710840 Volkodav
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uh, couldn't kick afghan farmers conventionally..

Former Afghan commanders have respect for the Russians, tell they were better enemy while despise the Americans

Georgia?  lesser number Russian/Ossetian/Chechen with older T72 and even T55 to T64 armor routed Georgians and "advisors" with billions of taxpayer supplied latest equipment and training....


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:19 | 4710869 El Vaquero
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Soviets couldn't beat the Afghans either.  Afghanistan has been called the graveyard of empires.  And when you really look at the way the US military is equipped, it is geared more towards wars between nation-states.  Ignoring the occasional droning of a wedding, of course. 


The US is very good at killing people in war.  But being very good at killing alone does not guarantee a victory.  We won most of the major battles in Vietnam, and still lost the war. Even taking into account some of the inflated body counts, we killed far more of them than they killed of us, and we still lost the war. 


And now, in a major war, we will be feeling an oil squeeze.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:23 | 4710958 angel_of_joy
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The US is very good at killing people in war.

No, it's not ! It's very good at killing moderate numbers of people in the most expensive manner.

Germans AND Russians had the most effective killing machine in modern history.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 07:33 | 4711246 Offthebeach
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Actually if the Emperor hadn't surrendered, the Japonese were well on their way to extinction. Something not done to a people since biblical times.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 08:09 | 4711305 AnAnonymous
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Because the Indians are not on the verge of extinction?

Or maybe they are not people? Problem solved.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 08:12 | 4711311 AnAnonymous
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No, it's not ! It's very good at killing moderate numbers of people in the most expensive manner.

Germans AND Russians had the most effective killing machine in modern history.

The most effective killing machine? At killing themselves or the enemy?

Considering the nature of the 'american' order, anyone better at killing people than 'americans' are would have taken the position held currently by 'americans'.

Both nazi germany and communist russia failed the test.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:11 | 4709839 nightshiftsucks
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Another stupid fuck,I saw it on the internet so it must be badass.Who made the video dumbass ?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:19 | 4709864 sixsigma cygnus...
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Yes, they might be weather tracking planes.

"If all people are brethren, then why are the winds and waves so restless?" - Emperor Hirohito

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:54 | 4710915 bjfish
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Don't forget that while Putin's troops train for combat, ours get 'diversty' training so they can be sensitive to the needs of the gay, transexual, and transgender  among them.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:30 | 4709907 DirkDiggler11
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I would hope you are not basing their total weapons systems capability on a commercial ?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:42 | 4710170 KarlGDenninger
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You are a fool those things wont stand a chance against even an F-16 with a HARM. Air Defense Installations fixed or mobile are obsolete have the last 10 wars not taught you anything. Yes the otherside has excuses "Oh they weren't trained right, blah blah" Look those wont be good to stop any air offensive I promise. It will be good for a handful of shot down planes thats it those would be plotted and knocked out in no time but keep dreaming

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:20 | 4710280 TungstenBars
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S-300 can't be beaten by even an F-22, let alone the S-400. Where in the world did you get the idea you can get past Russia's air defence? It's the best in the world. Something like under 4 minutes from mobile to launch; tracks hundreds of targets; can launch dozens of projectiles with multiple warheads at Mach speeds several times of American fighter aircraft and even faster than air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles in the US arsenal. Why do you think Israel was crying when Iran was about to get the S-300 (* not even S-400*)? Meanwhile Israel has our planes and our missiles. I don't know what you've been smoking bu there is a reason why THEY send americans into space too..Have you met Russian engineers? I have. Everyone smarter than their american counterparts. Those guys are fucking bots. Their educational system is far superior to ours. None of the no child left behind crap. They grind their students until they have the best and finest in the world in ther eng departments. If this thing goes hot US soldiers in Europe are prety much all dead. If you know any kids over there I suggest you prepare to send flowers to the mothers. 


For the sake of entertainment, in case hell freezes over and you take out the air defenses what do you think will happen next? USA and NATO will roll their troops into Moscow? LMAO!!!!! There will be 100,000+  Russian troops with top notch equipment plus add the tens of milions of Russian civilians of fighting age with military training (remember they were almost all trained in the military for at least 2 years) and a hatred of NATO, and you think you will walk in? Might as well put a bullet in your own head if you are a NATO soldier...quicker that way. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:57 | 4710468 TheReplacement
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Perhaps one day the Russian people will tire of being led to their slaughter...  If they must all fight as partisans then there will be great slaughter, again.  Maybe they would win, may they would lose, maybe they would turn against their PTB and kill the masters. 

I think one reason Russia doesn't actually fight any big wars of conquest any more is because many times when they do, there is a revolt.  The exception I can think of is WWII under Stalin.  Some how he got them to believe that it was the nazis who were the bad guys for invading Russia when it was perfectly fine that the Russians did the same think to the Poles, in concert with the nazis.  That and he just killed EVERYONE who might have ever dreamt of considering the thought of maybe imagining the impossible concept of anything besides Stalinism under Stalin.  Uncle Joe or die.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:20 | 4710541 TungstenBars
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You shouldn't judge the Russians on what Stalin did. I know that is what they teach you in AMerican schools but he was just one huge psychopath who even the Soviets hated. WHy do you think they killed him and talked poorly about him after his death? 

As for the revolt part, I doubt it. Putin has a huge following in Russia right now, one that is ever increasing. It doesn't take much to realize why. He has pulled Russia together, gotten rid of some of the oligarchs (especially the western sellouts), and is now defending russia from obvious american aggression. The guy would bleed on their flag to keep its red stipe. I doubt any american politicians would do that. He loves his country at a level not seen in western leaders. Even people I talk to here in the west (the non brainwashed ones) admit he is a great leader and he's defending Russia from obvious American aggression. As for Russians, most of the ones I know have always loved Putin. 2 guys I know didn't like him 1 year ago when I talked to them. I had a chat with each of them recently, both have done a 180. Putin is defending Russia from American aggression. Now they're his. 


If the Nudelman's wanted to create a great legacy for Putin, they're well on their way. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:09 | 4710856 Unknown User
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Maybe Obama is not trying to win (he can’t). Maybe they want to divide Ukraine while they still have the upper hand. For this they need an army but Ukraine’s army refused orders. Let’s see how much more besides Lviv NATO can get for the banksters.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:18 | 4710867 Anusocracy
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The people around Putin are far more competent than the conga line of assmunches around Obongoloid.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 02:48 | 4711031 Twodogs
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Typical Russian propaganda. Just because we don't trust our politicians as far as we can throw them, doesn't mean we trust yours. This is not a potential war that would automatically escalate to nuclear beyond a certain point. Putin's a tyrant but he's not a monster. He won't be launching any nukes and Obozo and/or Merkel will not be marching on Moscow, no matter how stupid they may be. I hope...

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 14:51 | 4717115 Anusocracy
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Obozo's handlers are marching towards a world government.

That is the problem.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 05:46 | 4711143 UselessEater
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The guy would bleed on their flag to keep its red stipe. I doubt any american politicians would do that.

Not a hint of protecting inherent inalienable rights or creating them???

No, just Putin of the former soviet KGB who's preferred to Obama another mere puppet of a global front run by the BIS etc which has decades of experience and interferance with Russia, China, and the rest of the BRICS. So how come Russia was not on the 7 countries in 5 years memo????... and your private property rights will improve under WHO?




Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:43 | 4710821 Volkodav
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Stalin was not a Russia.

otherwise, you are rambling....and know nothing about Russia

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 04:34 | 4711105 UselessEater
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"Russia is more beholden to international bankers than perhaps any nation on the planet."

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:04 | 4711800 Zerozen
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Stalin didn't have to convince anyone of anything, the people rallied behind him, as bad of a person as he was, after the Nazis invaded and started butchering Soviet citizens by the millions. WW2 wasn't a big war of conquest for the Soviets. It was a war of survival. Rock and a hard place.

Can you elaborate on the 'many' time that there have been revolts? I can only think of one solid example, and that's WW1.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:28 | 4710793 Wahooo
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Not only that, the poster expects that all of America will stand behind an illegitimate mullato while all this war is occuring. No fuckin' way in hell.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:47 | 4710908 Flagit
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"We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down,"

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:32 | 4710376 IndyPat
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Opps, motherfucker!

Serbs shot down a Stealth F117 Nighthawk with a fucking potato canon wired to an Xbox.
Forgot about that little bit of embarrassment. Lucky shot, right?
Don't underestimate the Bear.
There is only one thing I know about Russians from the ones I've met. They can do amazing shit with very little. They adapt and tweak things....

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:54 | 4710454 ExpendableOne
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They used the signal difference from cell towers to calculate where the F117 was as the plane disrupted the cell signals in a deterministic way.  Pretty neat that they were able to figure that out and work with it.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:59 | 4710478 TheReplacement
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And you can certainly bet that cell towers would not be left up in any NATO air campaign or at least their power sources and/or data relay points.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 09:45 | 4711681 BlindMonkey
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Please be real. The Serbs also got the US to launch HARM missiles at magnetrons from microwaves. They took a $100 microwave apart, put the magnetron on the turn table, and we shot a $1mil+ missile at it.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:15 | 4711836 Zerozen
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Interesting story: a Chinese coworker claims that it was the Chinese who shared the knowledge/technique with the Serbs, kind of throwing them a bone.

The story is that the U.S. found this out after it happened and then 'accidentally' precision-bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

Make of it what you will. I thought it interesting.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:55 | 4710455 ExpendableOne
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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:33 | 4710803 Volkodav
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Yes  Finally a poster here who noticed a little about Russians in real.

Russia has World's Best Physicists.

Russians are masters of propulsion....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:05 | 4710853 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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One country can still launch humans into space... the other bums a ride off the one who can.

Your money is on the bum?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 00:09 | 4710857 IndyPat
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Kinda stings. But true. And shameful.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:13 | 4711159 UselessEater
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How many black budgets are there? Is & wealth soverign based?Is the CIA less honest than the morphs of the KGB...private military is undisclosed, national military is disclosed for PR purposes only

Note the TPTB want things like the TPP and TAIPP, etc. AND are not bombing the daylights out of the BRICS (just blowing up building 7 shows their mettle for hiding fraud of the American people in broad daylight by bombing!) while they shift attention to the last few piss ant nations with national central banks free of the BIS....but Russia is not on the list?? Meaning what??

Think Tragedy & Hope, Committee of 300.... think this might be a very long term set up; your money might be right where they want it to be. Fucked if mine will follow.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 03:31 | 4711063 Gideonzsword
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Karl please do some research and reading before you spill anymore of your Neocon flag-waving drivel. The S300 system has never fired a shot in anger, not to mention the updated S400 system. NATO has not gone up against an Air Defence network of Russia's quality in its existence.

For one a significant part of US Air capability relies on Naval Aviation complex. Do you notice how many carriers are on station in the Baltic at the moment? P-800 Oniks, supersonic carrier killer is likely good reason for that.

That leaves mostly the Air Force to go up against a sophisticated and integrated air defense network. The Russians have nearly a thousand S300 systems, each system capable of independently tracking multiple targets (AS SMALL AS A DRONE) and launching guided missles at up to 24 targets per launch cycle. And guess what? That's just what we know about these systems. While we've been fighting the sand people and wasting billions on "expeditionary warfare" fighting vehicles and planes the Russians have been intensley updating their Radar, EW and ELINT systems. They likely are able to mask themselves completley until they fire.

What you need to realize that its just not one guided missle heading for a NATO plane or drone going into Russia its around 3.

And lets not forget the WALL of EW and jamming that will face any drones NATO tries to send to Kamikaze those mobile missle systems. If the Iranians can bring down a stealth drone via hacking what do you think the Russians can do?

This isnt the sandbox buddy. It's prime time and NATO is the military underdog on this turf.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:52 | 4710199 HardAssets
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Thats an interesting animation.

I have no idea what's gonna happen. And hope it comes to nothing. But, mad men are 'in charge'.

I hope there are enough non-butt-kissers inside to deal with the careerists in the military, and stop the psychopaths from leading the globe to ruin. If theyre just playing chicken, these azz-hats are risking billions of lives playing their 'games'.

The US hasn't fought an enemy of substantial stature since the end of WW2. Various 'adventures' around the world during the years following 1945 haven't turned out that great.

I imagine many of us don't want to see young American or Russian men die in a war. It doesn't seem like the 'leadership' (particularly of the West), is very concerned about that. They seem to be pushing for war.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:37 | 4710392 IndyPat
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The US hasn't fought an enemy of substantial stature since the end of WW2.

And we haven't been exactly "winning", either. Not sure there was a win intended. Not sure a win is possible when we go to war angst abstractions like drugs or terror.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:50 | 4710674 HardAssets
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The troops who died overseas sure didn't win. But some people sure make a lot of money off of war.


In the Russian weapons video mentioned above, I also noticed that the 'enemy' forces shot down by the Russians all had a curious insignia on their various planes, ships, etc

A snake painted on a red shield . . . 'Rothschild ?  The snake is a well known symbol also.

Seems like a curious coincidence, practical joke, or message from the guys who did the animation.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:45 | 4710826 SmackDaddy
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who the fuck updated this fucking video game shit?  stupid faggots!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:23 | 4710956 holgerdanske
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that didn't help much, I see. Washing with soap might do the trick though.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:58 | 4712880 Freddie
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Most of the weapons systems today require very good software.  The Russians are very good programmers.   The piece of sh*t F-35 will not have it's software code done for a few more years!  My guess is they hired H1-B's from India.

BTW - the Russians are already moving towards the S500.   The Joint Chiefs told Obama forget it with Syria because Russia had 8 ships plus at least one sub between the US Navy and Syria. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:00 | 4709795 macholatte
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Total aircraft = 42

US aircraft = 28

Others = 14


42 aircraft is not exactly anything the Russkies need worry about. Looks like just more bullshit propaganda to me. Or am I missing something?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:39 | 4709945 Joe Tierney
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NATO is a shriveled wiener these days - that's about all the aircraft they can muster, without abandoning everything else in the world. Poosies with poosie military budgets and collapsing economies and financial structures.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 03:24 | 4711056 Ghordius
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since you are asking, my two cents: look on the map, they are mostly being deployed in the north: the Baltic States

as things go, it's a move to reassure the Balts, which is important, imho

now of course we would need the Balts to treat all Russians on their soil in the best manner possible...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:53 | 4710002 TruthTalker
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We the People VS. EVIL, INC.
Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:49 | 4709766 McMolotov
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You mean it won't be a cakewalk?! But Dick Cheney promised!

There's also nothing preventing Russia from strategically damaging certain areas of Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, etc. and making the flow of oil to the West slow to a trickle. The best laid military plans grind to a halt without a way to move equipment and personnel.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:02 | 4709801 macholatte
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Bakken oil fields mark billionth barrel of oil;_y...


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:23 | 4709873 CrashisOptimistic
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And every single drop of it has already been burned up.

Now what?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:37 | 4709913 McMolotov
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Now we chant, "Drill, baby, drill! Energy independence in our time!" Maybe if we keep repeating it, it'll work, kind of like a rain-dance for oil.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:56 | 4710012 RichardP
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Ride bikes.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:40 | 4710162 mc225
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let's see... 20mil per day... that's 50 days' worth. 10mil per day... 100 days... usa uses around 20mil/day right?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:10 | 4709836 booboo
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Everybody has a plan until....

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:39 | 4709943 what's that smell
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.....until the shit hits the fan.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:54 | 4710003 El Vaquero
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...they get punched in the mouth.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:20 | 4710547 BlindMonkey
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...the bitch says "no, no. Please stop."

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:19 | 4709861 NickVegas
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I think it is more a Butch Cassidy situation. Sundance, if I lose, I want you to shoot him (release the nukes). Duck and cover, we can survive this. lol.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:34 | 4709917 Continue With This
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Your theory goes both ways.

If Russia can damage oil fields in Saud land or Nigeria, so can US damage oil fields in Syberia and Kazakstan.


Napoleon almost destroyed Russia. Hitler also almost destroyed Russia.

They 'almost' did it because they underestimated russian winter.

The West will always underestimate something about Russia and 'almost' destroy Russia, but not quite definitely.


You know who really was successful in fucking the ruskies real good?

The Golden Horde. The asians.


If I were an American illuminati type, one of the uber elite, I wouldn't think of attacking Russia directly. I would do all it takes to have an alliance with China.

I would make China strong.

I would outsource western jobs to China so China can be prosperous.

I would give China lots and lots of gold.

I would teach China lots of stuff about how to build stuff.

I would fuck the USD, so that the Chinese reminbi gets more influence in world trade.

I think this has been the Western plan since the 70's. And I believe it's working.


I know this doesn't go well with  Putin's in-the-closet man lovers here on ZH, but Russia is slowly squeezed between NATO and China.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:45 | 4709961 what's that smell
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dude! your pink dress is showing!

you're analysis belongs on some upskirt anime web 2.0 know, the one for sissyboys who wanna get spanked by daddy.


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:59 | 4710223 q2ev
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napoleon and hitler almost destroyed Russia? srsly? how deep in Russia they could even get? they didnt even pass 1/30 of its gross area

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:48 | 4710423 IndyPat
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French and German flavored popsicles.

Watched the film the other day of German soldiers shittng their brains out with typhus in the snow and 40 below cold.
Shit froze to their asses.

Again. Europe. Pay your gas bills.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:37 | 4710234 UrbanMiner
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The Chinese as a people will never cozy up to anyone, they are a proud and determined people, to think that by providing them with something of benefit you will somehow be able to manage or sway their affairs is way off the mark. The Chinese will take what's given them, and gladly refuse to do anything they choose not to do.

I do believe that the supression of gold is to the benefit of the Chinese, but it's not being done as a friendly gesture, China is collecting, there were defaults and things needed to be made right. China knows, and the western elite know that China knows that the USD is heading to .50 very soon, who would like having their cash hoard devalued like that?

The US is being destroyed, and the people of the United States will do nothing about it. I think the reason for that is because the people of the US know intuitively that the system they currently have is broken and they cannot fathom the amount of work and effort needed to retrofit it. China will own much of the United States as an investor class, not as an invader, and China knows that Russia play's for keeps, so they will partner with them for their energy and military technology needs. Remember China is about 4000 of years old, Russia a little more than a 1000, and somehow we think they are incompetent in the face of the West?

The United States has the creativity of youth, but also the immaturity that goes along with it, and right now it's really showing, and the whole world is recognizing it. Threatening a world war for the Ukraine? In all seriousness, this is about Russia, and the threat of its rise from the ashes, and what that means historically to the powers of Zion. The big dull idiot with the sub-machine gun, that is America, and the American Rambo military is infected with a parasite that lives in its brain, it can't help itself, it must seek war for its master. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:47 | 4710417 Falconsixone
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Let's hope the world has sense enough to quit their goverments pre-apocalypse rather than post-apocalypse.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:00 | 4710483 IndyPat
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Yet in those 4000 years, no one sussed out how to make a toilet.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:57 | 4710841 Wahooo
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For China and Russia, a lot of problems get solved once America is out of the way.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:08 | 4710267 Upton
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You should read some china white papers and sino-russian treaty high points. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:53 | 4710449 Malachi Constant
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>> You know who really was successful in fucking the ruskies real good? The Golden Horde. The asians. <<

There was no "fucking the russies" by the Golden Horde. Not a single church was destroyed by the Horde between 1223 and 1480 other than as a part of a besieged town. Not a single Russian youth was drafted into the Horde against his will. All they did was behave like any government: collect taxes through their agents.

Chingis Khan was absorbing the conquered into his horde, not enslaving them. This is why his Reich lasted. This is why there is still a language called Urdu - from the word "horde".

What Soviet kids learned in school about "fucking the russkies" was a massive "everyone has always hated us for our being the best" aka "they hate us for our freedoms" brainwashing.

>> Napoleon almost... Hitler also almost...

Napoleon failed because Russia is more endless than they could imagine with their tiny parisienne brains. Hitler failed because he was defeated by the US and the UK.

>> Russia is slowly squeezed between NATO and China

Upvoted you for this. Funny though how the NATO countries are becoming little Chinas as we speak.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:04 | 4710494 IndyPat
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Viking had a go at it, but decided they liked it and went native.

Far as I can tell the only people really proficient in kicking righteous Russian hind quarters is Finland.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:20 | 4710771 Volkodav
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Napolean? Hitler? neither even got close to Urals..

Russia always has a fallback plan...many fallback plans

You know secrets of Urals and beyond?  Some have whispered to me...

Who has massive civil defense?


Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:39 | 4710813 Volkodav
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double post



Wed, 04/30/2014 - 05:37 | 4711137 AnAnonymous
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The horde were people from the open steppes. They were not chinese. They were mongol.

They were stopped by the muslim world when decided to turn toward the muslim word instead of going toward Europe.

Who knows? It might had the potency to avoid the best thing to have ever happened to humanity: 'americanism'.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:31 | 4710126 Tradehard
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Well if we are talking nuclear war what has history got to do it with ? You are telling me the West has no capability to nuke Russia back ? I'm pretty sure Russia would get nuked before their missiles get off the ground.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:05 | 4710253 q2ev
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may be you missed it... google Dead Hand Perimetr, before making such statements

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:24 | 4710338 El Vaquero
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I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter who gets nuked first.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 05:32 | 4711135 AnAnonymous
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Of course it matters who gets nuked the first. And who controls what.

Russians are confined in Russia as 'Americans' have been besieging them.

Like catapulting stones from within a castle on a besieging army that owns or control the rest of the world.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:21 | 4711863 El Vaquero
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Uh, no.  It doesn't matter who gets nuked first because once one nuke flies, hundereds fly.  Both directions.  Then there is no United States of America and there is no Russia.  Somebody might be able to get away with nuclear torpedoes in a naval battle in the middle of the Atlantic, but once land based targets get hit, it's all over.  For all of us.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:43 | 4710406 yrbmegr
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One critical difference.  All wars fought inside Russia in history have been fought using human soldiers.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:08 | 4710507 IndyPat
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Well, with Russian missile's boots on the ground or nukes.
Which sounds better?
This ain't gonna be Iraq CNN shawk-n-awe footage. Unless you find F16s smoked by russkie SAMs awe inspiring.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:08 | 4710506 disabledvet
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Bwhahahaha. We attack with blonde bombshells now. You people need to get into something other than what ended over twenty years ago.

The Russians are clearly competitive in this regard.

Ukraine? Need I say more?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 02:07 | 4711010 TheRideNeverEnds
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Indeed, the Russian toughness is only surpassed by their crazyness. 

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:45 | 4709749 quintago
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If this is the case, do tell why Israel is hell bent on ensuring Iran does not get its hands on the S300 system, let alone the S400, let alone the S500.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:11 | 4710520 TheReplacement
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Suppose you have the ability to defeat xyz system 100% of the time except when you have a failure on your end - could be anything from a software hiccup to a broken bolt.  The good news is you have multiple ways to defeat xyz system so you go to a backup and survive.

Now suppose your enemy has xyz system but are negotiating to upgrade to abc system.  You can defeat abc system 100% of the time except when you have a failure on your end.  You have no other way to defeat abc system.  If you have a failure you die.

Seems like a good reason to not want your opponent to have abc system.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:46 | 4709753 THX 1178
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Are you really Karl Denninger?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:47 | 4709756 Spastica Rex
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He's really dogmatic.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:49 | 4709765 Infinite QE
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He's a troll.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 18:53 | 4709778 THX 1178
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i know i know

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:03 | 4709806 Omegaman2211
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So is the real Denninger.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:06 | 4709818 Infinite QE
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Indeed. LOL.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:56 | 4710207 holgerdanske
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indeed, but on his site he is not just a troll, he is in controll, and if you don't agree he just deletes

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:26 | 4709896 Overfed
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Tomahawks and Predator drones are a very easy target even for older generation AA missiles. S-400 makes Patriot look like a POS.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:35 | 4709930 Joe Tierney
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Nonsense! U.S. cruise missiles and drones are sub-sonic. The S-300 and S-400 would have no problem dispensing with them. Besides - you must have been napping when Russia stole 2 of America's most advanced drones right out of the airspace they were patrolling in. One over Iran a couple of years ago and another over Ukraine a few weeks ago.


Better read up on your military capabilities versus those of Russia - you're falling for the 'superman' propaganda.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:38 | 4709937 Battlecom1
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I would not discount the viability of the Russian air defense system if I were you.  I worked in aviation while in the Navy, I can tell you air defenses along the Russian border are very very effective systems.  Having this much air power in the area however will dissuade the Russians from any offensive because air superiority will be needed and while Russia proper has good coverage, Ukraine may not.

With respect to the above, if Russia wants to invade, they will do it and it will be successfull in the short term.  NATO air power will not intervene at the risk of starting a hot war with Russia. That is no ones interest.  Russia will eventually invade, and it is a real possibility of a east/west Germany situation taking root, becoming the epicenter of a new cold war.  

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:56 | 4710009 Battlecom1
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The wild card in this scenario is whether or not the Russians decide to limit or stop the gas spigot to Europe.  Such a move would be bold and damaging to both Europe and Russia on an equal platform.  If this occurs, I would expect some major Russian military operation to follow as such a move would seem to be the harbinger of a real confrontation, maybe a preemptive operation by Russia to counter what may seem to be an inevitable conflict with NATO.  Conversly, if NATO were to shoot itself in the foot by embargo of Russian gas, then the same scenario would likely unfold.  Niether geopolitical entities favor this scenario at least at the moment.  Russia holds all the cards right now, they could draw this out all summer if they so choose.  Time is on their side for the moment.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:14 | 4710526 IndyPat
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How would turning off the pumps to Europe hurt Russia? Chinese will still buy it.
Sheeeeeeeiittt. Germany will cry uncle in two weeks.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:19 | 4710766 BlindMonkey
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Ya need a pipeline to sell it. They are working like coked out resus chimps trying to get the deal done so they can start construction.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:19 | 4710543 TheReplacement
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Russia doesn't hold all the cards.  Time is actually a foe for them.  Every day there is less oil in the ground.  If the west understands this then the time to act against Russia is sooner rather than later.  The more time that passes the more acute the problem will become but at the same time the west is declining.  I think Putin would rather wait for a conflict.  The problem was that there was the great opening created for him and he jumped at it.

Question:  Has Putin gained enough to be satisfied for all the trouble it has been?  I think he was happy with Ukraine but not all events have been at his control and we have a spiral.

Sun, 05/04/2014 - 02:11 | 4711098 Lore
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I don't know proper jargon to express this (if such exists), but it seems hasty to presume that conflict will necessarily morph on a large scale into something resembling the classic uniformed Hollywood paradigm. For starters, we have been informed that at least some of the people who sign "contractor" paycheques in today's proxy wars are "globalists" and "corporatists," having little respect for the traditional nation, which they disdain as an obsolete formality and tool for manipulation. Your side is the side that you are paid to be on. Uniforms and hardware with insignia are a distraction, useful only for early indoctrination, administration and parades. Further, identification can be a vulnerability, making it easier to identify targets, attribute failure and take important prisoners. Common hardware may change hands, but the most expensive and advanced stuff is easier to associate with specific groups.  The pattern going forward seems to be set by terms floated in recent years: "proxy war," "war on terror":  the enemy is invisible, anonymous, immoral and unorthodox, launching small scale operations and false flags that require less organization and preparation and technology and accountability.

Expense is an important factor. The flashiest, most destructive displays are also most expensive, requiring fuel and financing. The present reserve currency regime is already on borrowed time, running out of fuel, needing no further stress. You want to mount a big military operation involving large numbers of men of conscience, you better be prepared to pay for it, your money had better be good, and the fight had better be for good reasons. This is a dirty war fought for particularly dirty reasons. Escalation would hit the wall of awareness, decency and societal acceptance.

Taking this point further, psychopaths should be deterred from big destruction by the threat of global reprisal. A truly staggering failure and collapse increases the chances of their being hunted down and forced to face meaningful consequences for their actions. I know from experience that a psychopath will do everything in his power to avoid that. Putin seems to understand, and they hate him for it, because he sees through much bluster.  Every big policy decision right now seems geared toward avoidance of truth and consequences. It reassures me that the agenda is not catastrophic. Given an escape, they will take it. A con is no good if you can't walk away from it. 

Nature itself is the ultimate peacemaker. If there's nothing left to live for, who wants to live?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 20:11 | 4710058 sushi
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The S-400 has an effective range of between 250 Km and 400 Km depending on the missile mounted (they have a number of variations).

This would put most of Eastern Ukraine under a RF SAM umbrella with the launchers located within RF territory.

I don't think anyone wants Western Ukraine.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 10:08 | 4711813 cro_maat
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Especially since their gold has already been removed.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 21:28 | 4710357 El Vaquero
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All of the speculation about how good their missiles are vs our planes, cruise missiles, etc... would (will?) be rendered moot in the event of a war.  Then we'd get to see real rubber-meets-the-road performance.  We had stealth cruise missiles quite a while back.  What do we have now?

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 22:21 | 4710549 TheReplacement
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Transporter missiles.  Just beam 'em up and over there - boom.  Ain't no stopping that!

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:40 | 4710816 El Vaquero
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Or we could just get the NSA to hack Russian TV stations and broadcast a Feinstein-Yellin porn.  To hell with the clause in the Geneva Convention that prohibits weapons that cause superflous injury. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:34 | 4710977 holgerdanske
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Outsource with Fedex. Job done.

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 19:57 | 4710017 Beard of Zeus
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Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:21 | 4710773 Cast Iron Skillet
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yeah, we have the really biggest super megabombs, extra fly-fast airplanes, big hairy balls, +++ good smart droning intelligent armor-piercing bunker-busting leg-biting target seeking missiles, and it'll be cool watching those nighttime explosions in CNN again while swigging a Bud. We'll show 'em! As for the live participants in the show (i.e. the Ukrainians themselves, who seem to be suffering an identity crisis right now) ... hey, bummer!

And afterwards, think of all the juicy contracts to build ++++ smartererer gigamissile drones ...

Tue, 04/29/2014 - 23:43 | 4710822 IronForge
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Team_RUS' S-300 and S-400 will do a good deal of harm to any NATO Air Strike designed to take on anyone in (soon to be ex-) Eastern/Southern Ukraine and across the border in RUS.

Don't forget the Russian Air Force.

To all the Armchair Wannabe Analysts out there - you're relying on old data when RUS was moderinzing and poor and exploited (by Western Advisors).  Do you THINK they're not puttin in the Traning Hours right now away from the Border?  Do you THINK they may have planned for and trained for scenarios once the Coup toppled the Govt and Crimea left UKR to join RUS?

My question is, WTF is SWE doing in the Neighborhood?


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 01:23 | 4710957 BlackVoid
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I pretty much doubt that. In the war against Serbia, the US was wasting 99% of ammo on non-targets, while the real equipment of the Serbs survived intact. 

Drone strikes only work in an air superiority environment and cruise missiles cannot hit real targets with any kind of accuracy.


The US is only good at blowing up mud hats, stationary infrastructure and wedding parties.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 04:32 | 4711102 Occident Mortal
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Airspeed of US Cruise missle = 550mph

Airspeed of US predator drone = 120mph


Max target speed for S400 = 10,737 mph

S400 target envelope = 10ft to 110,000ft


Are we going to fly cruise missiles 5ft off the ground for 400km? 


Tomahawk cruise missiles are specifically listed as an S400 target in the system spec with a downing rate of over 99%, as are B-1's, B-2's, F22's and F117A's.



Air defence is an outdated concept... IN THE WEST. Seems Moscow didn't get the memo.


No Western combat pilot will ever go anywhere near an S400 battery. It's suicide. Russia has 112 of these things. Enough to encircle the equator with a no fly zone three times over.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 08:06 | 4711298 where_is the_nuke
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NATO get ready to get fucked in the ass.

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