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Can Police Search Your Cell Phone Without A Warrant? The Supreme Court Is About To Decide

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Two very important cases related to the 4th Amendment protection of cellphone data went before the Supreme Court yesterday. At issue here is whether or not police can search someone’s cellphone upon arrest. As usual, the Obama administration’s Justice Department is arguing against the citizenry, and in favor of the (police) state. Let’s not forget that the “Justice” Department also argued in favor of the police being able to place GPS tracking devices on people’s cars without a warrant back in 2011. Fortunately, the Supreme Court ruled against it.

Naturally, the feds in the current case will discuss all of the criminals they were able to bring to justice as a result of these privacy violations, but they will certainly not point out America’s current epidemic of unlawful arrests, as well as arrests for petty non-violent crimes that happen each and every day. For instance, let’s not forget statistics that came out last fall from the FBI that showed police make an arrest every two seconds in the USA. I covered this in detail in my post: Land of the Free: American Police Make an Arrest Every 2 Seconds in 2012.

That translates to 12.2 million arrests in 2012, only 521,196 of which were for violent crimes. So should cops be able to search cellphones of millions of Americans being arrested for non-violent crimes such as drug possession? Or what about the street artist in NYC who was unlawfully arrested for putting on a puppet show? Or the guy who’s house was raided by police for a parody Twitter account. Allowing cops to search cellphones upon arrest in a trigger happy police state seems barbaric, immoral and downright stupid to me.

Furthermore, isn’t it interesting that the feds appear so obsessed with taking away your civil liberties to catch petty criminals, yet they couldn’t put a single banker behind bars for the far more egregious crime of destroying the U.S. economy and ruining millions of lives?

Here are some excerpts from The New York Times article to help you get up to speed on what’s at stake:

WASHINGTON — In a major test of how to interpret the Fourth Amendment in the digital age, the Supreme Court on Tuesday will consider two cases about whether the police need warrants to search the cellphones of the people they arrest.

 

“The implications of these cases are huge,” said Orin S. Kerr, a law professor at George Washington University, noting that about 12 million people are arrested every year, often for minor offenses, and that about 90 percent of Americans have cellphones.

 

The justices will have to decide how to apply an 18th-century phrase — the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition of “unreasonable searches and seizures” — to devices that can contain 100 times more information than is in the Library of Congress’s 72,000-page collection of James Madison’s papers.

 

Others say there must be a different standard because of the sheer amount of data on and available through cellphones. In February, for instance, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals suppressed evidence found on the phone of a high school student who was arrested on charges of causing a disturbance on a school bus. “Searching a person’s cellphone,” the court said, “is like searching his home desk, computer, bank vault and medicine cabinet all at once.”

 

Officials in California told the justices that searches are required because cellphones can be used to set off bombs. Mr. Riley’s lawyers responded that “this scarcely resonates as an everyday concern.”

Oh yeah, destroy privacy rights for 320 million people because a phone could potentially trigger a bomb. You can’t get much more stupid and pathetic than that argument.

In any event, the Supreme Court heard arguments yesterday, and from what I can gather the justices appear somewhat split. The conservative justices seem to side with the feds, while the liberal justices appear on the side of privacy. Professor Orin Kerr of The George Washington University Law School wrote in The Washington Post that he expects a middle-ground rule, which would make searches legal in some cases and illegal in others.

On a related note, the Pennsylvania state supreme court just ruled against civil liberties with regard to warrantless car searches. Whereas in the past police would need a warrant in all cases unless there were “exigent circumstances,” now the supposed smell of pot or a dog signaling for a search is good enough. This is extremely concerning given the fact that often times such “probable cause” is a bullshit excuse to violate your rights and no drugs are ever found. The viral video from Tennessee on Independence Day last year is a case in point. Recall: Extremely Powerful Video: Happy 4th of July from a Police State Checkpoint.

 

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Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:08 | 4714810 Totentänzerlied
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Gotta make sure everyone is properly terrified of cellphone bombs, even though influenza, diarrhea, automobile accidents, and house fires each kill far more Americans per year than bombs.

American sheepizens's so-called "rights": the ultimate soft target.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:18 | 4714840 smlbizman
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you know.....if it saves 1 child ....

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:07 | 4714931 chumbawamba
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My solution is to have a lockbox in my car.  If I am ever pulled over, I put my cellphone in the lockbox.  A cop has to get a warrant to open a locked container in a car, and they can only get a warrant based upon reasonable suspicion that the contents of the locked container contain evidence of a crime.

From personal experience I would definitely recommend a lockbox with a combination lock.  You don't want to be fumbling with keys as you are being pulled over at night.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:13 | 4715005 PacOps
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http://www.deansafe.com/biometric-safes.html

MicroBioVault MVB500 handgun safe

Much faster than combinations or keys.

Mount it (bolts) thru the passenger side floorboard.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 04:50 | 4715152 A Nanny Moose
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With your phone in a safe, you better get some dashcams to capture video the cops forcing your fingers to the Bio-lock....or cutting off your hands. /snicker.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:05 | 4715006 derek_vineyard
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anything recorded anywhere on any device is now fair game.  thank you: national basketball association with assist from the PC police and the pathetic white ass kissers

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 04:52 | 4715153 A Nanny Moose
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All data should be encrypted while stored, and in transit.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 06:57 | 4715247 Oldwood
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I can't find shit anymore, on my phone or computer. Maybe we can subscribe to the NSA or other federal branch for something like a GPS of our data. When it all comes down to it, ultimately our government will be the ONLY source of data as they are the only bonafide out there. If they say you did this or that, you will have no other source of information to counter it. Their word will be GOD.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 13:42 | 4716818 Tale2cities
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Yea who needs Lifelock when we have the NSA

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:23 | 4715027 El Vaquero
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Except for personal contacts, I keep no personal information on my phone.  And it is encrypted and I can lock the screen.  Not that those steps will help if the encryption was done using one of the NSA weakened algorithms and they send it to the NSA, but if it stays within the local PDs, it is probably fine.  See, I want my phone avaliable to stream live video if I am in the middle of a police encounter.  One fellow here who was using a camera had his video erased in the evidence room, but was lucky enough to be able to recover it.  To me, streaming is a must in this day and age because of that.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:22 | 4715390 krispkritter
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Somebody posted this awhile back: http://www.anti-interception.com/

I've seen others on the market but it makes you wonder if they are really secure.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:45 | 4715088 Tom Terrific
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That's ridiculous.  As soon as they see you fumbling around with something on the seat or floorboard as they're pulling you over they will assume you have a gun, and then when they see you have a locked box they will definitely confiscate it and have it opened before the next morning while your ass is sitting in a jail cell or in the morgue when they think you have "a gun" and "feel frightened."

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:02 | 4715254 Oldwood
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I suppose a real terrorist would just blow themselves up if stopped.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 09:53 | 4715716 War_is_Peace
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My solution is to follow the words of the Fourth Amendment that, in my opinion, are pretty fucking clear.

 

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:37 | 4714884 Skateboarder
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El QueDuh uses cell phones. You use cell phones. Therefore you are El QueDuh. Game over kid.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:26 | 4714955 Slave
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Kinda like that probable cause they suddenly have that I'm a terrist when I buy a plane ticket......

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:39 | 4714886 Bill of Rights
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Police issue citation to kids playing with Nerf guns Happened in Wausau, Wisconsin.

Actually, the issue here appears to be bigger than Nerf guns.

Apparently all it takes to warrant a citation for disorderly conduct today is to be a kid playing outside and be just loud enough for a neighbor to notice.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:35 | 4718472 Redhotfill
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Yeah....  "It's for the children"

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:10 | 4715011 Caveman93
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Or...have to crack my password first in order to "search it". 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:22 | 4715026 Skateboarder
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Easy. They'll beat it out of you.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 03:21 | 4715109 oddball
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Can someone please turn on some motherfucking N.W.A

 

...?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:12 | 4714817 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Most of these Police State issues are hardly worth discussing until American men grow some testicles.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:43 | 4714890 Skateboarder
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The bigger your titties, the smaller your balls. I don't got tits, so my balls must be the right size.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:53 | 4714901 intric8
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Most are in the process of being emasculated. How many folk have already been conditioned with the response "i have nothing to hide"? Hardly anyone's thinking anymore. Ball sacks are being cut off left and right while everyones in a deep slumber to the real serious issues. The're dreaming of facebook likes for their comments, a massive twitter following, a dream home, how to make their ass look like kim k, hooking up, chicks. Personal liberties only become a concern when its suddenly their phone getting confinscated. All these fools around us are the reason for our liberties being destroyed because they're sheeple!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:56 | 4714910 james.connolly
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"I have NOTHING for you to steal"

Once they  see that is true, ... then there is nothing,

Hell its even in their interest to arrest you and have you feed a defense lawyer and enrich THEIR criminal justice system.

"I have nothing to steal, I'm a member of the FREE SHIT ARMY"

"If you want my food stamps, you can have my food stamps"

>>>

Make the job hard for the cop and he will fuck you hard. Best to just be honest smile, but have NOTHING on your person that give him any justification to remember you, or think any thing of you other than  you are a loser.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:30 | 4715034 El Vaquero
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If people don't start asserting their rights, and hard, we will lose what little we have left.  Record any police encounter you have, and go into it with the understanding that, if the cop doesn't relent, you aren't going to kick his ass in court once, you are going to kick it twice.  Civil suits can take years, and they can be very stressful, especially for the defendant.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:02 | 4715063 james.connolly
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You don't know what your talking about.

You file a claim against the GOVERNMENT, and you lose, and you will get a bill for court-costs they will put a lien against every bank-account and property you may own.

They will clean you, bleed you,

Lawyers don't work PRO-BONO in the real-world, in the real world you have to pay a retainer to FIGHT the system, 99% of lawyers will NOT fight the system, because almost all court cases are QUID-PRO-QUO, meaning that the judge settles with lawyers outside of the court-room all trials are just for show.

The lawyers will not sue the government, because that will piss off the judges and once you piss off the judges then you can no longer make deals.

File a CRIMINAL complaint against the COP shop, and when you LOSE, and you will, they will take you for every dime you have on the earth.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:20 | 4715074 El Vaquero
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I've been through the court system without a lawyer and come out unscathed.  Have you?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 05:22 | 4715177 A Nanny Moose
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I hope you washed thoroughly afterward. Nobody comes away completely clean after dealing with any government agency.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:32 | 4715304 N2OJoe
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Bank? Land?

If they find my cash stash in my landlord's yard or PM's at the bottom of the Gulf, then they spent WAY more than they're worth and can have them.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:45 | 4715324 Tale2cities
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Contact your local ACLU chapter. We will do it pro bono.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:11 | 4715267 Oldwood
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As a Texas gubernatorial candidate once said, when you find yourself being raped you might as well lay back and enjoy it. Well, he didn't win...anything. I always wondered if he was laying back and enjoying "it" after he had raped himself. All we can do is resist, and NEVER enjoy it. They are fucking us in every way but also offering us "treats" in the process, be it direct payments or simply the technology which we have all become dependent upon. There has been no advancement in our technologies that have not first and above all things been used to monitor and control us. We constantly hear how our tax dollars are being used to make these advancements. We are building the prisons for our futures.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:53 | 4714907 james.connolly
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Never in all USA history did the peasants have 'balls',

Probably the biggest fucking MYTH of USA hegemony is that the US men are responsible for USA superiority,

The UK and LORD BALFOUR and Cecil Rhodes, they had ball's, and they took the USA, a failed penal colony, and turned it into a factory and a mercenary army.

Never in all USA history did the MEN ever stand up, never happened and never will.

>>>

All you can do is have nothing for the cop, no car, no phone, no computer, ... nothing, ... just make it appear your a greeter at Walmart, and he'll quickly move on to a more profitable GRIFT.

 

Make no mistake that searching your phone and computer, they're looking for assets to steal.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:19 | 4715317 Tale2cities
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You know. I always wondered. Why is that the men of the UK put up with having a royal family? Why don't they demand a republic?
Is it because they don't have the balls?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 15:29 | 4721460 mkhs
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I think the correct term is bollocks, but I only slept in a vacation inn or somethin.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 05:25 | 4715180 Bangin7GramRocks
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Too late. The war is over and the terrorists won. Osama and his band of hairy engineers have turned this once great country into a police state. "They" can't hate us for our freedoms anymore. We don't have any left.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:20 | 4714820 IridiumRebel
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Need a new App: "Make my phone look broken". Puts the blue screen of death for an hour or so. "Sorry sir, it just went blue!"

Edit: or an app that makes your phone look like a bomb timer.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:28 | 4714857 deflator
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They have the encryption keys for every hard drive, even drive controllers that support the secure erase command...It's the law.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:00 | 4714919 IridiumRebel
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Yeah but getting a warrant takes time and shit.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:40 | 4714974 deflator
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 Their machines do not need warrants regardless of the, "supreme court" decision.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:05 | 4715007 zhandax
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"Need a new App: "Make my phone look broken". Puts the blue screen of death for an hour or so."

Port it over from Windoz.  It's been available for years.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 14:24 | 4716996 detached.amusement
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aint no popo got time fo that

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:47 | 4715090 Tom Terrific
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Hate to ruin your party, but the device they have clones the entire flash memory as a whole and then they can work on it all they like "back at the office."

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:13 | 4714824 TBT or not TBT
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For a bomb you'd like cops to use the Jack Bauer rule: "there's no time!!!". But it just about never is a bomb threat or any immediate danger.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:00 | 4714913 Emergency Ward
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It's a jaywalker --  beat-down and anal-cavity search, NOW, no time to waste !!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:47 | 4715474 pods
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Almost makes you think that TV is desensitizing and programming you?

As a TV watcher, you know who is guilty before the tv cops, so when they start to "bend" the rules, you agree with them.

Pretty slick marketing technique. That is why Law and Order or any other crime drama is not allowed on TV at my house.

People eat that shit up too, and we wonder why they get away with this shit.

pods

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:16 | 4714831 Eireann go Brach
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Quite simply, if there is any justice on earth, before Obama leaves office, the house of cards that is the US will collapse on his watch!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:51 | 4715054 JLee2027
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Green arrow

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:19 | 4714835 deflator
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 The mindset of most Americans is that if you don't have something to hide then what is the harm in being shook down by the, "authorities".

 If you are being investigated you must have, "done something".

 

 It's just, "common sense".

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:52 | 4714903 Emergency Ward
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When I hear people say that, I tell them that I have something to hide because I'm doing something "wrong".

BLANK STARES

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:14 | 4714938 deflator
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Your psychology is way over the average bears head.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:38 | 4715041 El Vaquero
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LOL

 

Just tell them that you have no clue whether or not you have something to hide. 

 

Or the other one that I like:  "It's none of their fucking business."

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:01 | 4715060 StychoKiller
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Better still:  "So, nothing to hide huh?  Mind if I video you having sex and posting it on the internet?"

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 05:29 | 4715182 A Nanny Moose
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i have nothing to hide whatsoever. None of it however, is any business of any jackboot thug working for any government.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:45 | 4718491 Redhotfill
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Idiots that espouse that often end up on juries as forepersons.....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:19 | 4714837 imbtween
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Of course they can you stupid peasant. They can do whatever the fuck they want and no silly law will stop them. If they get in trouble for it, the penalty will be trifling, so there's no reason on earth to NOT violate your heh heh "rights". Stupid peasant lolol!!!

Whoever wrote this mustn't be from here!

Even if the SCOTUS bans it, cops will still do it with impunity. See, they know most of the people they hassle are totally innocent, so evidence chains are far less important than the nude pics the cutie in the driver's seat has on her phone. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:04 | 4714925 WTF_247
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They do like the NSA does.  Discover something illegally then go backward and re-create the method needed to discover it legally.

Just another method to reverse engineer a conviction.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:52 | 4715092 Tom Terrific
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That is if they don't shoot you dead first.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:18 | 4714842 Yes_Questions
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if ever there was a time to carry around a throw-away

 

Fuck you SCOTUS in advance of your obvious ruling

 

thanks for interpreting the law into the intent of your owners.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:52 | 4714904 Yes_Questions
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at Yes_Questions, we know you have your choice of targets so we'd like to thank you for spying on us today!

 

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:30 | 4714864 BiteMeBO
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If they take my phone can I get out of my fookin' contract?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:33 | 4714871 williambanzai7
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The "conservative" justices seem to side with the Fed.

Another example of why labels are a totally misdirection. They are all statists.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:16 | 4714940 DaddyO
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Yep and the SCOTUS is not a signatory to the Constitution.

Somehow they have overlooked the enumerated powers of the .gov...

I guess math is not a strong suit of those attending law school.

DaddyO

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:42 | 4714979 prains
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spelling error alert: correct spelling is

 

crampstitution

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:33 | 4714872 Colonel Klink
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May as well, Pennsylvania has decided that the 4th amendment doesn't apply to auto searches just like the Feds decided:

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/supreme-court-pennsylvania-cops-no...

'Merika FUCK YEAH, home of the fee land of the slave!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:34 | 4714877 seek
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You know, you can have dumb phone and memorize people's phone numbers, and wipe the phone's logs when you leave home in the morning -- assuming you bring a phone with you at all.

The really interesting case will be when not having a phone, or having a phone with nothing in it, is used to justify a warrant to request phone records.

In the end, if you make the data available to them, the government will use it, legal or not. So minimize what you make available.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:51 | 4714902 Skateboarder
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Warrants? LOL.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:37 | 4714879 Bill of Rights
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Businesses close in wake of Obama executive order President Obama's executive order requiring higher minimum wage for employees of federal contractors is already having an impact. 

People are losing their jobs as companies begin retreating from doing business on federal installations.

Byron York at Examiner.com notes:

In late March, the publication Military Times reported that three McDonald's fast-food restaurants, plus one other lesser-known food outlet, will soon close at Navy bases, while other national-name chains have "asked to be released from their Army and Air Force Exchange Service contracts to operate fast-food restaurants at two other installations." 

Military Times quoted sources saying the closures are related to the coming mandatory wage increases, with one source saying they are "the tip of the iceberg."

More unemployed people. Fewer meal time choices. Seems to fit right in with what Mr. Obama promised in 2008 when he spoke of fundamentally changing the United States of America.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:43 | 4714889 Yen Cross
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     Some things never go out of style. Eg; runners & carrier pigeons... Paging Mike Tyson.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 05:13 | 4715169 tip e. canoe
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long 2 tin cans & a ball of waxed string

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:45 | 4714891 MontgomeryScott
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THE FACT of this matter IS thusly stated:

Cellphones HAVE been searched individually, and as a COLLECTIVE, ever since the passage of USAPATRIOT.

REALLY, do the Sheople think that 7 ass-clowns in black dresses will rule OTHERWISE than those whose money and influence 'decided' them to be there in the FIRST PLACE?

SERIOUSLY?

 

If you don't have the ability to de-power your cellphone by removing the battery completely from the unit, you have NO PRIVACY WHATSOEVER.

The TOTALLY-OWNED ASS-MONKEYS in black robes can't POSSIBLY decide without prejudice what the privacy limits are for the 'common people', due to the FACT that THEY THEMSELVES see things from a point of view of being constantly overrun and opened to scrutiny by those who are ACTUALLY IN POWER; who choose to make THESE OWNED PEOPLE lives an 'OPEN BOOK'.

FUCK. What a CARTOON!

As long as the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM of PRIVATELY-HELD ROTHSCHILD BANKS is in charge of deciding who gets how much 'monies', this 'judicial' outcome is really fucking predictable to anyone with a second-grade education.

The 'monied' fucking whores always defer to their pimp. I mean, LOOK at OBAMA, for God sakes!

 

 

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:43 | 4714892 mccvilb
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Liberal SCOTUS judges will side with the people? Oh really.

How about Citizens  United vs Federal Election Commission and gay rights champion Elena Kagan? Tell us, how did that work out for the people? Oh yeah, corporations are people too.

Does she come into court with her hair dyed purple like she did the day she was installed as the Dean of Harvard Law School?

Amazing how she got the SCOTUS appointment seeing she had next to no experience in Federal court, and what little she had, she had zero experience in ANY court prior to Obama appointing her Solicitor General.

With the NSA forwarding all of our phone data to Israel we should keep a very close eye on how she votes on this.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:06 | 4714928 intric8
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"With the NSA forwarding all of our phone data to Israel we should keep a very close eye on how she votes on this."

We worry about media control and the nsa, but one jew outdid everyone in the world with regards to collecting data and he goes by the nickname of 'zuck'.

THAT's the real basterd to be scared of, but most everyone carries on without a moments concern for how powerful fuckerberg really is.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:20 | 4714945 mccvilb
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I agree and killed my FB account a long time ago. I worry about the three Jews on the SCOTUS. Kagan has already proven she's there for the hive.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:59 | 4715094 Tom Terrific
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I think you mean basTURD

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 04:00 | 4715129 Sambo
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Facebook will be bought by the chinese soon. Zuck already belongs to one.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:44 | 4714893 james.connolly
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Come over here to asia, you can buy a phone for about $5, or less, and you can buy SIM's for a $1 or less,

All paid in CASH,

They work just fine in the USA, or when you travel, yes dispose frequently.

>>>

Personally when I travel in the USA, I no longer bring any electronics on my visit, nor will I carry a phone at anytime.

The worst is going through customs, they now use your computer or smart-phone as a treasure source to see if your good/bad, better that they not know anything, ...

What's worse is once they read your email and learn your bank accounts an shit then they can rob you blind, ... please for god's sake folks don't make it easy for them.

Lastly FUCK the god-damn court, the court is always going to rule in favor of the state, to rob the proles, to fund the judges and their courts, ...

DONT CARRY AN ELECTRONIC DEVICE IF YOU LIVE IN OCCUPIED AMERIKKKA.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:47 | 4714895 saltedGold
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They can take my phone and search it all they want.  All of my contacts are pseudonyms, so they'll see text messages to me from Bill Gates and phone calls out to Warren Buffett and Al Gore.  After a few minutes, I'll just look at them and say, "you don't know who you're messing with" in a very stern tone.  Hopefully by then, they've already seen the different listings for the Pentagon and White House in my phone book.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:07 | 4714930 mccvilb
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The NSA has ALL of our calls recorded and on file in a server farm. They claim they don't listen to the calls themselves unless they have cause. Edward Snowden said BS.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:32 | 4714954 deflator
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 Turn your cell phones wi-fi on connected to your broadband connection and watch(calculate) how much bandwidth it sucks up just sitting there unused.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 03:54 | 4715105 shouldvekilledthem
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It depends on the phone and software installed. While mass surveliance is very real and disturbing some people (especially when they do not have anything to do with IT) are way over their heads.

You can still protect your communication and information by carefully selecting what software you use.

There is TOR, PGP, I2P, bitcoin, linux and many more tools at our disposal. Support and use them. 

I wonder how many of you use and support open and transparent software? 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 10:10 | 4715797 zerozulu
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In third world countries, they charge their cell phones once in a month.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:48 | 4714898 james.connolly
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FUCK JUDGES, COURTS, and LAWYERS and POLITICIAN's.

Expecting the COURT to save you is like expecting that when thrown in the ocean, that the sharks will save you.

Every fucking JUDGE was once a god damn sociopathic lawyer and parasite and psychopath once he becomes a 'judge'.

 

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Civil stay out of court by all means.

Criminal, die rather than go to jail, or go before a judge.

They used to say the USA system is BAD, but it wasn't the WORST, bull fucking SHIT the USA is the most EVIL GROUP of LAWYERS on the fucking earth.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:57 | 4714912 NoWayJose
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Anyone who still uses Facebook, Twitter, or other social network sites - or express any thoughts through texting -- deserves what they get today. There is no freedom of speech or freedom of action once you enter the electronic world.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:19 | 4714932 Drop out
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I'm not sure how they will RULE on this. I do know the police can pull you over, taze you right the fuck out of your vehicle, search it, and shoot your dog. Can they search my phone?

Edit:

I'm sure they will take into account that driving on the roads is a privilege for us. They will not take into account the privilege that we have that we pay to build the roads and pay the cops to anally rape us if they so desire. There is also the assumption that we are all rightly subject to spying if the light of day ever shines on us, or also, if we breath air.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:23 | 4714951 Emergency Ward
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I'm not positive but I think they will rule 5/9 against your best interests and in favor of James Clapper and Barack Obama's interests in invading your privacy.

Your taillight is broken after it got hit by the policeman's cudgel.

You are guilty of drug possession for that baggie of illegal substances they planted under your seat.

Your car belongs to the State if they want to do an asset forfeiture.

Old lame Rover long ago lost his rights to feebly growl in the presence of an LEO.

Feel secure that we have Separation of Powers so that one Branch of Govt can protect the other Branches from abuse by unpatriotic citizens.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:58 | 4714996 Oh regional Indian
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Pretty scary emergency ward, that what you wrote is true 90% of the time.

It's tough to be anyone with an LEO problem in the US, the guys have gone full retard.

Some say it is being triggered through the new Mercury (???) comm system they have been given.

Who really knows anymore...

ori

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:30 | 4715301 Tale2cities
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My fRussian friend who lives in Moscow tells me it's very common for motorists to have camera recording devices installed in their vehicles in order to record corrupt cops. She says the cops are on the take,and completely off the rails.
So,likewise,maybe we need to install hidden cameras and or recording devices in our vehicles.
I have an IPhone. Need it for work,otherwise I could do without a cell phone completely.
Anyway, could change the delete all data security functionn on the device after two,not ten failed password attempts.

If the cop asks you for the password,give the standard Ho DC answer....I Don't Recall.
Then after you have your lawyer present,invoke your 5th amendment right.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:56 | 4715340 BidnessMan
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Excellent point.  The password is on the coffee table right next to the Rose Law Firm files that were missing for a couple of years.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:23 | 4715392 Tale2cities
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Better yet,give a fake password on command. Failed attempt one.
Then,say I'm sorry I meant .......Failed attempt two. Auto delete function completed.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 10:14 | 4715814 zerozulu
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They have a copy of your recent data at their server. They don't need your password. FYI

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 00:53 | 4714990 g'kar
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It's all my fault, I retired last year. It couldn't have gone down any other way.

Signed,

Al Bundy

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:58 | 4715000 SgtSchultz
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Thanks to seeing this from another ZH'er - it's in my signature block now, until the knock at the door...........

"If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They'll have enough to eat, a bed and roof over their heads. But if an American wants to preserve his dignity and his equality as a human Being, he must not bow his neck to any dictatorial government." - General Dwight David Eisenhower

http://www.bartleby.com/73/1671.html

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:54 | 4715336 BidnessMan
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Depends upon the definition of "Security", and from what.  Be sure to not drop the soap in the shower....

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:06 | 4715003 Kina
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Can Police Search Your wife's vagina for a Cell Phone Without A Warrant? The Supreme Court Is About To Decide.

 

Obama administration’s Justice Department is arguing against the privacy of citizenry vaginas, and in favor of the (police) state insertion.

'I am sure American's would all agree trading a little privacy to keep ourselves safe for the increasing cleverness of trrists is a small price to pay.' Said President Obama at a recent press confrerence concering 'stop and vagina search' laws proposed by his Administration.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:08 | 4715008 PoliticalRefuge...
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.."What the common man longs for in this world, before and above all his other longings, is the simplest and most ignominious sort of peace: the peace of a trusty in a well-managed penitentiary.

He is willing to sacrifice everything else to it.

He puts it above his dignity and he puts it above his pride. Above all, he puts it above his liberty.

The fact, perhaps, explains his veneration for policemen, in all the forms they take–his belief that there is a mysterious sanctity in law, however absurd it may be in fact.
A policeman is a charlatan who offers, in return for obedience, to protect him (a) from his superiors, (b) from his equals, and (c) from himself"..

One has to admit that Henry Mencken pretty much understood basic human nature.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:08 | 4715010 Caveman93
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I own no cell phone...solution provided.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:47 | 4715475 udaman
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Dick

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:13 | 4715012 Kina
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The Obama Administration is concerned that many American's are thinking harmful thoughts and may by latent terrorists.

To guard against this his Administration is proposing a Lie Detector law that will see American's stopped on the street and subjected to random lie detectors tests.

Americans will be asked if they have had harmful thoughts towards America or Americans or if they have had any other violent thoughts in the past 10 years, and if found to be lying will be intered indefinately subjected to ongoing Lie Detector tests, as they represent a source of future terrorists.

 

President Obama said that this was essential so that we can all enjoy a safe secure and happy America.

 

People opposing this initiative will have outed themselves as being enemies of Americans.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:02 | 4715062 q99x2
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The Supreme Court are a bunch of criminals. Who cares what they do. They'll do it anyway and they won't stop until they are locked up. They have declared against the Constitution and the United States of America. We would never allow such low lifes on Q99X2.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 02:47 | 4715089 Acidtest Dummy
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Cellphone? oh please. It's a tracking device that can also make calls.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 03:11 | 4715100 VWAndy
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As if they didnt already have it all. What a mindjob. humph?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 06:31 | 4715206 medium giraffe
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You do not have 'RIGHTS'.  You have 'PRIVILEGES'. 

You realise this when these privileges are taken from you by those that suffer you to exist.

You are a pet consumer, a domesticated human.  An animal owned by a group of collected interests, to be farmed, milked and herded. 

What right do you have to 'rights'?  Cattle don't have 'rights'.  What an absurd idea.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 06:24 | 4715212 Curiously_Crazy
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Let me get this straight. Under the pretence of a phone potentially being able to set off a bomb, the powers that be are contemplating allowing some bumbling bufoon of a cop to fuck around with it having absolutely no idea what actions are required to trigger it. Yeah that makes sense.

I'd already lost faith in society, but for fucks sake if this shit passes on such a flimsy cause it just goes to show how unquestioning a large majority of people really are.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:14 | 4715272 BIHM
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There is no questioning how unquestioning the masses are.  Keep the people comfortable and they will not revolt. 55% surviving on gov assistance.  You think that's out of the kindness of govvy's heart??

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:00 | 4715251 BIHM
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"Your attempts to defend yourself are futile.  Pick up the cup... drink the red liquid.  Everything is going to be ok.  You will feel much better and you won't have to worry about anything ever again.  Just drink the red liquid........."

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:06 | 4715257 Pumpkin
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Any officer of the state or federal acting outside the charter (constitution) creating the government has no immunity and is personally liable and gets a jury trial.  This is already decided by that charter.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:23 | 4715289 22winmag
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Yeah... but in the real world you'll have better luck squeezing blood from a stone than you will ever have getting to a jury trial.

 

If you are unlawfully beaten/robbed/wronged by a cop with a billy club or city council member with a pen, getting to the stage where they are held personally liable is damn near impossible.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:28 | 4715298 22winmag
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I've heard of computers and storage devices which essentially self destruct (electronically- not explosively) when they are tampered with or the user commands them to.

 

Anybody know of any phones or accessories that fry themselves on command or when tampered with?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:43 | 4715450 icanhasbailout
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iPhone has a setting for that. Give the wrong passcode 10x in a row and bzzzzzt!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:34 | 4715308 Who was that ma...
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Best thing I did a couple of years ago was smash my cell phone and throw it in the trash.  Without realizing it, YOU have become a slave to your cell phone.  Free yourself.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:42 | 4715444 icanhasbailout
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they'll need a couple of comp sci degrees to understand the shit on MY phone

 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 09:57 | 4715730 Smiley
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I ditched my smart phone and a got a $15 flip.  Any funny feeling and its as good as smashed in the blink of an eye.  I laugh at people who obsesse over their stupid smartphones they pay through the nose for every year; its like bitches at the mall buying $500 heels because they just HAVE TO HAVE THEM.  All sheep need is a line to stand in and someone to tell them its cool to stand in it; works every time.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 10:22 | 4715845 all-priced-in
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What the SCOTUS will decide is NOT can the police search your cell phone if you are arrested.

They can if they want - just like they can search your car, your home or look inside your asshole  if they want.

They have guns and back up support with guns.

The question will be - can they use what they find on your phone against you.

Best example I can think of is the Boston marathon bombing -

Police went door to door and searched homes - if you resisted / or said no they kicked you out of your own home and looked inside anyway.

I know many don't see this small point as making any difference - but I see it as a big difference.

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 12:15 | 4716378 waterhorse
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SCROTUS will rule it's fine and dandy to search all prole phones.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 15:43 | 4717351 flow5
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You can buy spy technology.  My neighbor hacked my computer's wifi, he hacked my flat screen TV, & leaves multiple messages on my cell phone tellling me what I do in my bedroom. 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 15:39 | 4721517 mkhs
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Do they still have a mandatory DNA swab on arrest?

 

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