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"People's Republic Of Donetsk" Unveils Independence Referendum Set For May 11th

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As we showed in the map earlier, the spread of pro-Russian-held cities is rapid across eastern Ukraine and it seems things are reaching a very dangerous head very quickly. As RIA reports, the Central Election Commission of the "Donetsk People's Republic" has agreed to hold a referendum (covering 55 territorial election commissions, more than two thousand polling stations, and more than two million ballots) on May 11th. Citizens will answer one simple question, "Do you support the act of the proclamation of independence of the Donetsk State People's Republic?" As RIA adds, leadership have stated that region of Donetsk will not vote in the May 25 presidential election in Ukraine if the majority of residents support independence.


RIA reports that the Central Election Commission "Donetsk People's Republic" formed the referendum 55 territorial election commissions, and more than two thousand polling stations, published more than two million ballots, according to RIA Novosti, the CEC Chairman, "the People's Republic of Donetsk" Roman Lyagin.

"We organize the referendum, preparation for the meeting less than a month. During this time, much has been done: we formed today 55 TECs and 2000 279 plots. Process that the state is held over three months, we have been in the past month" - he said.


The referendum will be held in Donetsk region on May 11. Citizens will have to answer the question: "Do you support the act of the proclamation of independence of the Donetsk State People's Republic?".

Turnout is expected to reach 70 percent of voters area.

According to the head of the CEC, the funds for a vote there. "We are holding a referendum on popular initiative, the budget is minimal. This donation of ordinary people," - said Lyagin.


According to him, to print newsletters, you need 100 000 hryvnia, the basic costs of buying paper. He also clarified that the devices for printing ballots "were provided by our friends, partners, we did not buy them."


The referendum results will be announced on May 12.


Activists are sure it will be just the beginning of the path. "We'll get right to self-determination and decide how we want to see your region.

This is a problem for the current Ukraine government - as another major region of their country fades away from their control...

The eastern Ukrainian region of Donetsk will not vote in the May 25 presidential election in Ukraine if the majority of residents support independence in a referendum two weeks earlier, a protest leader said Wednesday.


We have no plans to take part in our neighbor’s election,” said Denis Pushilin, a leader of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk.




Moscow has repeatedly expressed doubts about the legitimacy of upcoming presidential elections in Ukraine, saying they violate international laws and urging Kiev to take into consideration the demands of all citizens in the country.


In the meantime, we showed the map earlier of what regions are currently under separatist control, but as the following map shows, there is a growing number of regions that "at risk"...

Source: @ukroblogger

So, now what will Washington do?


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Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:52 | 4712607 john39
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Kerry- that would be undemocratic...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4712618 McMolotov
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Further proof that when the US spreads freedom and democracy, it is not by design but by accident.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:00 | 4712658 i-dog
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What? There'e voting going on in here? I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:06 | 4712671 spine001
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Will the new region start with zero foreign debt? If so, all regions should become independent and leave the bankers trying to find somebody to pin the debt to.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:09 | 4712693 Pinto Currency
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US & NATO gearing up to pound Ukraine if it goes after its own people just like they went after Gadaffi for targetting Al Qaeda Libyan independence movement.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:10 | 4712696 Manthong
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Gee Vicky, I guess this is not exactly going according to plan.

This freedom thing can be a bitch when you screw too much with it.

Oh, and next time you see Hillary, congratulate her for all those executions in Egypt.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:24 | 4712752 Latina Lover
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Yahoo Baby! Time to send in the Marines.../sarc off

Paraphrasing the foul mouthed JAP Vicky Nudelman, Ukraine is in play and the atoms are in place.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:27 | 4712774 Latina Lover
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Putin 1

Obama 0 

Suck it Nudelman/EU, suck it real hard, give us you foul mouth, but don't breathe near us.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:19 | 4713016 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Putin: + infinity and Ukraine

Golfing pigeon: Moochelle + 0

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:13 | 4713544 giggler321
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It just depends upon what was ment by Atoms.

Since they have the stations in full operation with fuel supplied by Russia - all they need now is that missing MH370 to do belly flop and it's a done job.  Who's fault?   Who will get the blame for destroying the economy and lives of many millions of europeans?  An irradiated Germany does not need it's yellow.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 22:05 | 4714650 TheReplacement
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If you screw with it, it isn't freedom.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:20 | 4713025 BlindMonkey
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"US & NATO gearing up to pound Ukraine if it goes after its own people just like they went after Gadaffi for targetting Al Qaeda Libyan independence movement."

Wait a minute. How do you see NATO and the US ready to pounce on the Ukrainian Junta? They are the ones backing the Junta and the violence they are perpetrating on the East. Every time a US envoy goes to Kiev the Junta gets a spine and starts shooting.

Maybe I'm just not understanding which Ukraine government you are talking about but I think you are very wrong.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:39 | 4712817 Bangin7GramRocks
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You mean like the good bank, bad bank bullshit they do in finance? Why the hell not. Greece should draw up a new constitution, elect new leaders and pick a new name. Tell the bankers to collect from the country of Greece. It isn't any more ridiculous than what happens already in the financial markets.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:18 | 4713346 Omen IV
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The USA & EU get the debt, the western UKraine and the Fascists!

fair trade for $5 billion

Nuland goes back to Bengazi for more good work she didnt finish last time

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:44 | 4712828 furgheddubouddit
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And on top of that, once it becomes clear to the US that they've accidently triggered a movement towards more freedom and democracy, they immediately step in to try and reverse it.

The script for the Ukraine was that people would be allowed to vote for one of Nuland's appointed puppets in a sham election, and that it would then be portrayed as 'democracy'.

But it looks like the Ukrainians in the East have thrown the script out and decided to improvise.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:55 | 4713252 IronForge
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Well, they "did" spread it throughout UKR.

Crimea caught on and left; and all the other Regions are putting up Referendums as well...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4712619 Global Hunter
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you can't behave like this in the 21st century!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:55 | 4712626 Bunga Bunga
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So USA independence was undemocratic too? mmmmh.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:56 | 4712633 Millivanilli
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EU's Barroso and Van Rumpy are indignant.  How dare the people have a say on their political future!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:10 | 4712702 ptoemmes
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Catsup if you do, ketchup if you don't.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:53 | 4712608 LawsofPhysics
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Self determination and elections!!!  Democracy at work!!

The U.S.S.A. should be very happy to hear this.

< sarc off >

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:56 | 4712637 Never One Roach
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"Yes We Can!"  ... I hear is their slogan.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4712613 Squid Viscous
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the ballot box is always stronger than the bullet box! right Mr. Kohn?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4712614 ThirdWorldDude
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Cue a re-re-replay of Banderastan's famous and failed "anti-terrrist operation".

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4712617 Life of Illusion
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game over if includes Kremenchuk and Odessa,,,oil hubs

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:55 | 4712632 CrashisOptimistic
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Dood, Odessa is nowhere near Donetsk.

OTOH, this is a pretty big deal.  I am a little curious about so much description of who is covered by the voting.  I hope they didn't cut out anti Russian areas.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:00 | 4712656 CrashisOptimistic
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BTW another thought.

IMF funding flow depends on analysis of expenditures and revs.

With these regions (the mega productive agricultural regions) departing, so does their rev flow.

The IMF can't complete its analysis.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:01 | 4712899 thamnosma
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So western Ukraine isn't a grain producing area?   Interesting.  Nothing like another failed state joining the EU.   On the other hand, it will be very friendly to NATO bases.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:18 | 4714507 StychoKiller
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Hmm, a fine crop of tanks & does one eat a tank?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:24 | 4713369 downwiththebanks
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Politically, yes, but ideologically not so much.  They can have a referendum just the same.  The whole border of Moldova might explode next with referendum fever.

NATO is just plain fucked here, boys.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4712623 Kaiser Sousa
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Dominoes anyone.....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:03 | 4712667 kchrisc
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The new "Domino Theory": "If we don't stop them there, all of Eastern Europe may fall and become less fascist than us."

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:02 | 4712900 thamnosma
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That's just silly.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:46 | 4713459 Aussiekiwi
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true, but funny, and in this day and age we need all the laughs we can get.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:55 | 4712628 Wahooo
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Can't wait for the first U.S. state to hold an independence referendum and declare allegiance to the RF.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:59 | 4712650 Squid Viscous
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Maybe Texas... if they had the balls

I would move there immediately...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:32 | 4713098 BlindMonkey
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Too many similarities between Obama and Lincoln for my comfort. I have no doubt he would find a modern Sherman and burn a path through Texas.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 12:57 | 4712634 MakeMineADouble
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Don't know how accurate this rumor is but there you have it:


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:00 | 4712659 kchrisc
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Hey Nuland, better hand out more cookies. LOL

I wonder if they will disappear another plane again?!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:06 | 4712677 mccvilb
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Kerry will move to block this on the grounds it conflicts with the scheduled NFL draft.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:08 | 4712692 youngman
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This will be the new norm...just wait a couple of years until the Muslims in Britain have more population than the Brits have...they will vote to become a Muslim country with Sharia laws....same with many European countries...just vote them out....we in the USA will be outvoted by the ilegal problem

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:09 | 4712951 withglee
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Thus, racism is both an offensive and defensive issue. The offense has gotten themselves branded as being the good racists. The defense has been branded as the ugly racists. It doesn't look to me like we're moving towards a melting pot. Thus, it would seem that defense of and protection of one's race would be prudent. So why again is apartheid a bad thing?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:27 | 4713039 John Wilmot
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Simple solution.

Open the borders, close the polls.

Immigration is only a political problem in a democracy.

And I'm not being sarcastic.

Think about it from the perspective of maximizing freedom.

Which is more important: your right to travel freely, or your 1/300,000,000th share of the decision making power represented by your vote?

I'll take a monarchy with open borders over a democratic prison-state any day of the week.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:05 | 4713290 Overfed
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Better yet, open the borders and take away the entitlements. People looking to be productive should be welcomed, freeloaders should find no shelter.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:22 | 4713359 John Wilmot
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There should be no welfare for anyone, immigrants or natives.

But if, for political reasons, we have to begin by denying it to immigrants, that's fine too.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:10 | 4712698 q99x2
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How dare the people decide what they want. Washington D.C. would never have let that happen.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:12 | 4712704 Let them eat iPads
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I'm sure there won't be an coersion from pro-Russian goons at the ballot stations.

None whatsoever.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:14 | 4712722 NOZZLE
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Maybe you could arrange SEIU goons from Milwaukee to drive across border from Hungary and vote multiple times in referendum.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:21 | 4712738 TheMeatTrapper
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I'm sure there won't be an coersion from pro-Russian goons at the ballot stations.

None whatsoever.


You mean like the Black Panthers in Philadelphia? Perhaps we need to worry about our shit before flinging it at others. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:25 | 4712767 Let them eat iPads
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A common theme on ZH is to excuse the vile actions of others by saying "the US does this too".

Yeah, I know all about the deplorable things the US has done.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:28 | 4712777 LawsofPhysics
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Moral Hazard is not just a "quaint term" dumbass.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:38 | 4712815 Let them eat iPads
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Stick your quaint term up your ass, cocksucker.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:25 | 4713051 BlindMonkey
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Well thought out and well articulated. /s

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:58 | 4712879 thamnosma
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Yeah, I don't really get the "only the US" does this nasty shit here.  I certainly understand Russia's concern about NATO on its doorstep but these referendums in Ukraine are a joke.  The areas are occupied by Russian special forces and secret police.  No ethnic Russians would dare vote against Putin. Apparently most people here are too young to recall the soviet empire and how it repressed the people's of central europe for decades.   Watching, for instance, the fall of the Ceaucescus was a perfect example of an empire crumbling.  America is not the only empire.

Still, the foundation of this crisis is the action of the Obama Regime and the EU as it was in Libya, Syria and Egypt.  Obviously same for Iraq with Bush.  

What I'm trying to understand is the seeming rapprochement between the Obama Regime and Iran.  Doesn't make obvious sense to me in the current scheme of things.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:28 | 4713069 BlindMonkey
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The "Soviet Empire" you speak of was the one that took Russian territory and moved it under control of the Ukraine. The people there don't want to be a part of the Ukraine or the EU and would rather be a part of Russia.

Pretty simple.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:37 | 4713086 Jack4952
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I am an American physician who actually lives in UKraine. Sir, you are DELUSIONAL.

You state, "The areas are occupied by Russian special forces and secret police.  No ethnic Russians would dare vote against Putin. Apparently most people here are too young to recall the soviet empire..."

1.) There are NO Russian secret police or special forces here. There were over 18,000 Russian troops in Crimea by treaty during the recent referendum. My wife went there to vote (as she is from Simferopol, Crimea) and stated that there was ABSOLUTELY NO PRESSURE at or near the polls - the same as the western observers reported. Instead, she said the mood was almost like a party - the streets were filled people talikng to each other and singing with joy. They were ecstatic!

2.) The people here most certainly remember the Soviet era. THAT is precisely what they are trying to stop !!! They do NOT want a dictatorial government in Kiev under the thumb of the U.S. and the EU.   They do NOT want their country to become a giant missile silo for the U.S. And they do NOT want their country to be stripped of all its assets and natural resources by the western banks.They do NOT want to be stripped of their right to select their own leaders.

In short, they do NOT want to become the next GREECE !!!

-- Jack

P.S. I should add that I agree with them!



Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:29 | 4713391 Gorod-Geroy Xerson
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I've noticed how the perception of Americans changes when they actually live/work/visit Russia/Ukraine.  Your comments are indicative of this change and are very refreshing (at least from the point of view of a Ukrainian-American who is Russian at heart).  The frustrating part is the constant stream of lies from the Western propoganda machine.... 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:42 | 4713443 Aussiekiwi
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YEAH!, but they still hate us for our freedom....right?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:24 | 4714525 StychoKiller
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Uh-oh, Aussiekiwi is NOT in the designated "Free-speech zone!"  Where's the BLM poleece when ya need'em?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:31 | 4713093 John Wilmot
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And I'm sure the neo-nazi gangs in Kiev will ensure that the upcoming Presidential elections will be free and fair, right?

I wouldn't have much confidence in any elections anywhere in that country at the moment, but, nontheless, there are undoubtedly strongly pro-Russian majorities in certain parts of the country. The election results might exxgerate their numbers, but they are in fact numerous.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:26 | 4713379 downwiththebanks
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Remember Bush vs. Gore?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:13 | 4712707 BullyBearish
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Because of polices followed to enrich the ruling class instead of the country as a whole, the only people who still think we're the "shining light" we once were are those policy makers (button  pushers)...the world no longer admires nor trembles...we have become simply "owned"

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:13 | 4712711 NOZZLE
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Maybe President of Ukraine, Yatsenlottaluk can arrange for trouser pilot Adam Silver to declare Donetskians racists and have referendum decertified and fine them 2,000,000 kopeks.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:13 | 4712713 IridiumRebel
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Don't they understand that the way to democracy is for us to completely destabilize their country and then install our pre-approved, IMF or Goldman Sachs former employee leaders? 


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:15 | 4712716 Ribeye
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i hope this plants a seed in the minds of people accross Europe, 

the EU elections in three weeks are going to illustrate the level of hatred for the EU, 

the support in GB for Ukip in todays polls is truely astounding, 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:17 | 4712732 ebworthen
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East Ukraine/West Ukraine; except this time the STASI will be in the West.

Hat tip:  N.S.A., C.I.A., neo-Nazi putsch members of Ukraine.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:22 | 4712750 AG BCN
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The people's front of Judea. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:24 | 4712759 border dog
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Nuland now qualifies for large State Department bonus...great work Vicky....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:45 | 4712830 thamnosma
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Nuland is the daughter of Yale bioethics and medicine professor Sherwin B. Nuland, whose original surname was Nudelman. In her father Dr. Nuland's books and interviews, he openly describes a family history of depression and mental illness, which required electroconvulsive therapy and led to his resignation as a clinician at Yale. Victoria’s paternal grandfather was Meyer Nudelman from a family of Jewish immigrants who came to New York City from the Russian Empire.[2]

Victoria Nuland graduated from Choate Rosemary Hall in 1979 and has a B.A. from Brown University. Nuland speaks Russian, French, and a little Chinese. Nuland has two children. Nuland’s husband is historian Robert Kagan, Council on Foreign Relations member, and co-founders of the think-tank "Project for the New American Century" (PNAC). The PNAC called for, among other things, regime change in Iraq and a strategy for securing global control.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:27 | 4712764 Sizzurp
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The Ukrainians need to learn the way western democracy works before they can practice it. You are only allowed to vote on issues and candidates we approve of, and we don't approve of this.  You have to not vote before you get to vote.  In other words, I was against the vote before I was for it. Get it?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:40 | 4713434 Winston of Oceania
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Yes because elections in Russia with the permanant President Vlad are so fair and honest. WTFU they are ALL the same no matter which side you are on, the real losers are the whole of the world who are not connected to the oligarchy on either side.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:31 | 4712790 Infinite QE
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Oh man, the New Bolsheviks are going to have to slaughter a few thousand goyim to get their frustrations out. Where too next?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:26 | 4714530 StychoKiller
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I nominate KSA!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:33 | 4712794 Incubus
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I support the republic of doughnuts.


I shall like on facebook

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:03 | 4712908 Incubus
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Why so serious?


The world's going to hell.  No need to be all glum on the way down. Smile.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:42 | 4712824 thamnosma
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This situation is going to be a mess for a LONG time.  The potential twists and turns are fascinating to contemplate.  The region isn't known for having "cool heads" prevail.  

I figure behind the scenes China is probably taking advantage of all this distraction.  Wonder when they will really start dumping treasuries.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:31 | 4713090 Canucklehead
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They won't be dumping treasuries any time soon.  Their aspirations lay in Eastern Russia, north of China.  Treasuries retention may well be parlayed into USA support for votes in regions in Eastern Russia.

They can always dump treasuries later.  Russian actions will affect the Euro.  What would China exchange the treasuries for?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:29 | 4714534 StychoKiller
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Jim Willie already covered what the Chinese are doing with US Treasuries.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:50 | 4712850 BandGap
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Shit, if this works the States over here should do it. It's OK per the UN, correct? And President Soetoro is big on the UN, as is Mr. Ed. What could go wrong?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 13:57 | 4712873 Tracerfan
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Can Tennessee have a referendum?  Most here would probably want to leave.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:37 | 4713426 Aussiekiwi
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Sorry, dictatorship, you only get to vote for the color of your dictatorship you like, red or blue, thats about it, thats about all the average person should be left with as far as decisions are concerned.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:04 | 4712910 ross81
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can't wait for this to'll be bye bye to something like 20% of Ukraine's GDP.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:34 | 4713414 Aussiekiwi
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Winter is coming...wait until the gas stops flowing, freezing your nuts off can result in a re-assessment of your priorities.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:12 | 4712970 JuliaS
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Worst $5bn the CIA had ever spent.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:16 | 4713004 shovelhead
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Even rats are smart enough to flee a sinking ship.


Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:28 | 4713070 shovelhead
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US/ EU tried to make the marriage work by promising their Ukraine sweetheart a credit card but it looks like Putin wins the honeypot while the US gets stuck with the psychotic children and all the bills.

Relationships can be tough. Better luck on the rebound.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:32 | 4713408 Aussiekiwi
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Thats it!!  How dare the people have a referendum, who do they think they are! they are ruled by who we say not by who they want, ungrateful pricks, nothing else for it, the troops will have to go in and kill a couple of thousand until they get the message, democracy out, dictatorship in.  

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:09 | 4713524 WMM II
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Over the 97% in Crimea?

Under the 97% in Crimea?



numbers that would make a south american dictator jealous.



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