Putin: 'US Behind Ukraine Crisis From The Beginning...Now Leading It'

Tyler Durden's picture

Having decided counter-sanctions are useless for now, reflecting on the uselessness of Western sanctions against his nation, Vladimir Putin warned, however, that if they continue he would "have to think about who is working in the key sectors of the Russian economy" - in other words, protectionism is coming. However, it is his ominous words regarding Washington's involvement in the crisis that appear to have fallen on deaf ears among the mainstream media... though will be no surprise to ZH readers "what is happening now shows us who really was mastering the process from the beginning. But in the beginning, the United States preferred to remain in the shadow." As Seregy Lavrov also added later in the day, the way the situation in Ukraine is reported in mainstream media indicates that "unfortunately, the information machine of our Western colleagues is working at full capacity."

 

As RT notes,

The US has been behind the Ukrainian crisis from the beginning, but was initially flying low, Russian President Vladimir Putin has told journalists, adding that he called on Kiev to establish an all-Ukrainian dialogue and find a compromise.

 

I think what is happening now shows us who really was mastering the process from the beginning. But in the beginning, the United States preferred to remain in the shadow,” Putin said, as quoted by RIA Novosti.

 

Putin stated that since the US has taken a lead role in resolving the political crisis in Ukraine, it is “telling that they originally were behind this process, but now they just have emerged as leaders” of it.

 

The "Maidan cookies" policy paves the way to a broader crisis, Putin warned, referring to US officials showing up in central Kiev and encouraging protesters during demonstrations.

 

“It is necessary to understand that the situation is serious and try to find serious approaches to the solution,” he said.

 

Putin said that he has called on Kiev to start an all-Ukrainian dialogue, adding that other countries should not be blamed for the crisis.

 

“[They should] treat equally the rights of those living in other areas of Ukraine, first of all, I mean, the east and southeast, establish a dialogue, find a compromise," he told journalists while speaking about the measures necessary to put an end to the crisis. “Here's what you need to do; searching for the guilty outside Ukraine is wrong.”

More "costs" as the West tries to wriggle its way from the under the pile it has created and scapegoat an unwilling to play Russia...?

 

But perhaps Sergey Lavrov said it perfectly...

Washington's approach to the events in Ukraine is not fueled by concerns about the fate of the crisis-torn state, but rather by the desire to prove it is still running the show worldwide, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.

 

The way the situation in Ukraine is reported in mainstream media indicates that “unfortunately, the information machine of our Western colleagues is working at full capacity,” Lavrov said following talks with his Chilean counterpart, Heraldo Munoz, in Santiago.

 

The US is trying to shape public opinion in a specific manner “because they are not concerned by the fate of Ukraine in the first place, but have strong desire to prove that it’s them who decides how things should be – always and everywhere,” Lavrov stated.

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Latina Lover's picture

Fuck the EU/USSA/Nulandites/Nazi's who destroyed a beautiful and tragic country, turning it into a political corpse, the EU/USSA and Russian Jackals fighting over the kill.

TBT or not TBT's picture

Yeah, man. Right on. Fuck those assholes blaming 70 years of communism for this basketcase, man.

y3maxx's picture

...The US Dollar is teetering on collapse friends.
Washington/Israel's "Last Chance, False Flag event will be something very big"

Infinite QE's picture

Yep, MH370 was on deck for that event but the air came out of that balloon.

Latina Lover's picture

Yep, it was a good distraction, but ultimately futile.

Cap Matifou's picture

The leaked Klitschko emails told you all what to expect.

09 Jan 2014: I think we've paved the way for more radical escalation of the situation. Isn't it time to proceed with more decisive actions?
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_25/Anonymous-Ukraine-Klitschko-e-mails-and-Nuland-Pyatt-dialogue-prove-US-backed-coup-9378/

NotApplicable's picture

Warning! Statist sparring below. Proceed at own risk.

Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

Barack Obama, that feckless, sophomoric, incompetent boob, is the Propagandist in Chief of the United States of America. 

We Americans are forced to swim in propaganda like citizens of no country in history.

gmrpeabody's picture

If Putin should say anything ugly about our commander and chief, even if in private, and if one of the other people in the room happen to be recording the conversation, and if that other person happens to be a disgruntled girlfriend that has been hanging around with our commander and chief, and even if the disgruntled girlfriend and our commander and chief say they weren't the people recording Putins tantrum, they may be able to make him sell Russia to us.

Basketball bitchez..

chapaev's ghost's picture

Here's a little snippet from Wikipedia on an old friend of mine, Armand Hammer, a steadfast ally to the glorious cause of international socialst revolution. (Barky Boomer is now the leader of the movement ol' Armand helped start)

Hammer was born in New York City, to Ukrainian-born Jewish immigrants Julius and Rose (Lipshitz) Hammer.[6][7] His father came to the United States from Odessa in the Russian Empire (today Ukraine) in 1875, and settled in The Bronx, where he ran a general medical practice and five drugstores.

Hammer claimed that his father had named him after a character, Armand Duval, in La Dame aux Camélias, a novel by Alexandre Dumas, fils. According to other sources, Hammer was named after the "arm and hammer" graphic symbol of the Socialist Labor Party of America (SLP), in which his father had a leadership role.[8] (After the Russian Revolution, a part of the SLP under Julius' leadership split off to become a founding element of the Communist Party USA.) Later in his life, Hammer confirmed that this was the origin of his given name.[2]

Hammer attended Morris High School, Columbia College (B.A., 1919) where he was a member of the Zeta Beta Tau fraternity, and then attended medical school at Columbia (M.D., 1921). When his father was sentenced to prison as he entered medical school, he and his brothers took Allied Drug, the family business, to new heights, reselling equipment they had bought at depressed prices at the end of World War I. According to Hammer, his first business success was in 1919, manufacturing and selling a ginger extract which legally contained high levels of alcohol. This was extremely popular during prohibition, and the company had $1 million in sales that year.

Years in the Soviet Union

In 1921, while waiting for his internship to begin at Bellevue Hospital, Hammer went to the Soviet Union for a trip that lasted until late 1930.[9] Although his career in medicine was cut short, he relished being referred to as "Dr. Hammer". Hammer's intentions in the 1921 trip have been debated since. He has claimed that he originally intended to recoup $150,000 in debts for drugs shipped during the Allied intervention, but was soon moved by a capitalistic and philanthropic interest in selling wheat to the then-starving Russians.[10] In his passport application, Hammer stated that he intended to visit only western Europe.[11] J. Edgar Hoover in the Justice Department knew this was false, but Hammer was allowed to travel anyway.[12] A skeptical U.S. government watched him through this trip, and for the rest of his life.

chapaev's ghost's picture

Rememer the key words: J__, Ukraine, Columbia University, Odessa (Ukraine), Soviet Union, Communist Party etc.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

gmrpeabody's picture

When I was young, I remember people saying that the U.S. used Mr. Hammer as a go between during much of the cold war, being as he was respected by some Russians in high places. It pays all around to keep ties and options open. Our government could learn a lesson or two from the man, just MHO.

Flux's picture

And if you can't believe the Russians, who can you?

 

 

Just saying.

Keyser's picture

Well, given the hard evidence that has come to light over just who funded and instigated the unrest in Ukraine, I would say Putin... Who were you thinking, Obama? 

Fortunate Fool's picture

Of course the Ukraine crisis is all US' fault. It's not like Russia benefited in any way from the crisis, like you know, extending its territory by annexing part of a foreign country.

 

And it's also entirely US' fault if the Ukrainian people decided, en masse, to tell their president, a model of integrity and honesty, to get the hell out as he just told the Europeans to screw themselves and instead give his country and its long term interests to Putin on a golden plate.

 

When the iron curtain dropped, Ukraine had a far more advanced economy than other former soviet republics like Poland. Look at the situation today... say what you want about the EU, but at least it elevated the living conditions of the citizens of the countries that joined it. No wonder Ukrainians want to join the EU instead of the Russian free trade zone...

 

And by the way, it's also the US' fault if there is only negligible popular support to the pro-russian "fighters" in east Ukraine... unlike what happened in Kiev a few months ago.

AlgorithmOfConsciousness's picture

You are either misinformed and ignorant, or purposefully towing the State Department line.  Ukrainians did not decide "en masse" to do anything.  It appears you have succumbed to the thorough and complete illusion painted for you by the Western media imagery.  As with any internal revolutions and upheavels, a third of people want change, a third don't care, and a third want the status quo.  The fact that you ignore the coup artists of the State Department that funneled up to $5 billion into Ukraine (per Nuland's words) and the US and EU "leaders" from government and intelligence that have made a series of "cameo appearances" in Ukraine, is telling.  Moreover, you ignore the Ukrainian history and its ties to Russia (Kievan Rus), and the fact that Ukraine was never an independent country until recently, and historically, a creation of Germany in WWI as a divisive tool aimed at Russia.  What happened in Kiev is because Yanukovich did not use force against the Maidan fascist goons. 

It's amusing how during Maidan, the Western presstitudes kept harping about how Yanukovich should not use lethal force to take back the occupied government buildings to drive out the fascist brown shirts, yet now that the American Empire is firmly in control of Ukraine, they and their media lapdogs are okay with having the fascist goons use force to retake government buildings.  I suggest you look to see beyond the shadow of Plato's cave.

Fortunate Fool's picture

"It appears you have succumbed to the thorough and complete illusion painted for you by the Western media imagery."

Yes, because obviously only ZH convey the absolute truth, where, I guess, you get all your information from... ZH is never wrong on anything of course, and doesn't have its very own way to manipulate facts... One comical example I have in mind is an article in which it was saying France was getting defeated in Mali... I dared to call them on their BS and I had an army of ZH zealots, just like you, explaining me how wrong I was. I'm still laughing about that story.

 

"As with any internal revolutions and upheavels, a third of people want change, a third don't care, and a third want the status quo."

Did you just pull that out of your ass? Have you even talked to an Ukrainian about it? Ask any of them with half a brain if they'd rather be part of a Russian-led trade union or part of the EU...

 

"The fact that you ignore the coup artists of the State Department that funneled up to $5 billion into Ukraine (per Nuland's words) and the US and EU "leaders" from government and intelligence that have made a series of "cameo appearances" in Ukraine, is telling. "

And Russia didn't have any under Yanukovic rule? And the Russian intervention in Crimea with its special forces was free? give me a break.

 

"Moreover, you ignore the Ukrainian history and its ties to Russia (Kievan Rus), and the fact that Ukraine was never an independent country until recently, and historically, a creation of Germany in WWI as a divisive tool aimed at Russia."

After reading that, I feel a little better about my own "ignorance"...

 

"What happened in Kiev is because Yanukovich did not use force against the Maidan fascist goons. "

Yeah, and no unarmed protesters died and police and militias where just exchanging kisses and flowers, right?

 

See, I trust no more the mainstream media than ZH when it comes to reporting news. ZH does have an agenda too, it just happen to be different. I'd rather stick to the fact that, so far, it's Russia, with the annexion of Crimea, that is benefiting the most from the crisis, and I wouldn't be so quick to blame all the faults on the US.

AlgorithmOfConsciousness's picture

>>>"Yes, because obviously only ZH convey the absolute truth, where is, I guess, you only get all your information from... ZH is never wrong on anything of course, and doesn't have its very own way to manipulate facts... One comical example I have in mind is an article in which it was saying France was getting defeated in Mali... I dared to call them on their BS and I had an army of ZH zealots, just like you, explaining me how wrong I was. I'm still laughing about that story.">>>

Assuming I only read ZH for the sake of argument is a straw-man fallacy on your part, and reflects your inability to engage in complex analysis and account for other variables.  However, this sort of myopia is prevalent among limited Western thinking.  Nothing in my post referred to ZH aside from the fact that I made a post on ZH. 

>>>"Did you just pull that out of your ass? Have you even talk to an Ukrainian about it? Ask any of them with half a brain if they'd rather be part of a Russian-led trade union or part of the EU...">>>

This sort of childish pontificating that professes to know what the "average Ukrainian" is or is not thinking is not conducive to an overall understanding of the situation.  Remeber, Ukraine was never an independent country until 1991, and the "nationality" was further created in World War I. That there was genuine societal discontent among Western Ukrainians against Yanukovich's government is not denied, but at the same token, you cannot deny there was a democratically elected government.  However, the US intelligence apparatus is able to permeate, co-opt and penetrate these popular movements, much like in the Arab Spring, and use it to its own leverage and advantage, through many pipeline NGO organizations such as NED, USAID and other institutions of subversion.  This is why Putin required these NGOs to register as foreign agents.  Russia has a long history of foreign subversion that crippled their country and culture thanks to the Bolsheviks and Lenin (a German spy).

>>>And Russia didn't have any under Yanukovic rule? And the Russian intervention in Crimea with its special forces was free? give me a break.">>>

International relations and politics have long recognized spheres of influence, much to the dismay of ignorant Americans who cannot even point Ukraine on a map, but wish to intervene.  If Russia attempted subversion in Mexico or Canada and funded a hostile regime via a coup, international rules recognize that the U.S. would react and attempt to counteract that balance of power.  This is what Russia is doing.  That is the way it goes, I cannot change it.  Russia's annexation of Crimea was done in a bloodless manner and with the popular support of a majority of those folks.  If they did not want to, they would have revolted and we would have violence bynow.  But this does not prevent you from making bombastic claims that Crimea was "forced" to join Russia.

>>>"After reading that, I feel a little better about my own "ignorance"...">>>

I'm sorry you do not like opposing views.

>>>Yeah, and no unarmed protesters died and police and militias where just exchanging kisses and flowers, right?>>>

Did anyone say protesters did not die? It seems that you are very keen on resorting to straw-man fallacies to have something to argue about to compensate for your lack of substance. If you are referring to the Maidan snipers, well, the jury is out on that one, as evidence seems to point to the fact that these snipers were agent saboteurs of NATO's fascist clique.

>>>See, I trust no more the mainstream media than ZH when it comes to reporting news. ZH does have an agenda too, it just happen to be different. I'd rather stick to the fact that, so far, it's Russia, with the annexion of Crimea, that is benefiting the most from the crisis, and I wouldn't be so quick to blame all the faults on the US.>>>

This further immortalizes your ignorance. This idea that "everyone has an agenda" therefore, "nothing is believable" implies that somehow, somewhere, there exists this mythical objective outlet of communication.  There is no such thing as a news source without an agenda.  This idea of objectivity was a myth propogated all along by the Western press, that was spread for so long, and people heard this since birth from every orifice of communication, that they believed in this myth.  Although there exists an objective physical world, we all perceive it subjectively.  The devil is in the details.  How one deciphers and arrives at truth is based on reading multiple sources of different news wires, corroborating information, comparing and contrasting information, and accounting for differences of analysis as it relates to misrepresentations, concealments and contradictions.  Unfortunately, this requires use of your brain and takes more work than having someone spoonfeed you your "objective news" that is "without an agenda."

fishmonger's picture

So, what do you guys think about this Ukraine/Russia dustup I have been hearing about??

BurningFuld's picture

If I could only give you +2!

AnAnonymous's picture

In the end, the objective report exists as the crossing of multiple sources.

Ah, 'americans' and their taste for propaganda...

TheMeatTrapper's picture

Ah, AnAnonymous and his taste for condescension. 

Fortunate Fool's picture

"In the end, the objective report exists as the crossing of multiple sources."

Preferably those that have no (or minimal) vested interests in reporting one way or another. This is usually where you would get the most "objective" and balanced reporting. But that means being able to speak other languages than English, which is, as we know, not the strength of the average american...

 

"Ah, 'americans' and their taste for propaganda..."

Funny, eh?

Mine Is Bigger's picture

Human beings are not capable of "objective and balanced reporting."  When a person looks at a thing, there is always an angle, intentional or not.  Having no vested interests does not change this.  Even reporting both sides of an argument is not balanced because a line has to be drawn to separate the "for" and "against" camps, and where the line is drawn depends on the perspective.

The sooner you realize this, the better off you are.

MillionDollarBoner_'s picture

Hey there, AnAnonymous,

How's trix? Long time, huh?

Oh...and go fuck yourself, you tool !;o)

 

Aawww...look at that...he down-arrowed me !:O)

Stuck on Zero's picture

Face it.  If you're caught in the middle between two huge battling behemoths you're screwed.

 

Flux's picture

True, and on that note:

Quoting Russia Today and Sergey Lavrov is kinda like quoting Fox "News" and Dick Cheney.

nmewn's picture

Amazing how many one week to one month old, pro-Putin voices we have around here lately.

Its like, the KGB is the "good spy" to the CIA's "bad spy" in Mad Magazine (goggle it kiddies). Its like, Putin was never stationed in East Germany (Stasi-Land) and the popular mayor of St.Petersburg (Anatoly Sobchak, Putins mentor) dies of a heart attack...oddly enough, after a meeting with Putin.

Palace intrigue ;-)

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Well argued and decisive take down Algorithm. Welcome and please make yourself at home here.

Miffed;-)

booboo's picture

"Annexed "??? I thought you toads just loved democracy until it dont go your way. i was sure they voted for that. And elevating the living conditions" via debt servitude to be paid for by.... Who? with what?? Lemme guess, you're a banker?
I guess we are down to voting for the least culpable thug ruler at this point.

Zerozen's picture

What's interesting about these pro-US, anti-Russia posters like yourself is how often you manage to just plain fuck up the facts. e.g. 1) Poland was never a Soviet republic and 2) Ukraine didn't have a "far more" advanced economy, if anything the overall best industrial base around the time of the fall of the USSR was in the Baltic states.

The Ukrainian people didn't kick out the president en masse. It was a relatively small and violent coup led by far-right political groups as the muscle. In case you forgot, Yanukovich was elected in 2010, just 4 years ago, because the pro-West harlot who ran the country before him was also incredibly corrupt.

Ukraine/Russia have been intertwined for centuries and will continue to be, wishful thinking from Maidanistas like yourself aside. Most of Ukraine's exports are sold in Russia, in turn it gets almost all of its energy from Russia, it sits next to Russia, etc. etc.

The EU is another matter entirely. It hasn't done anything for its peripheral countries. The SOP is like this: poor perihperal country joins EU. EU encourages/forces dismantling of any industry or business in new member nation. EU core countries now export their products to new member nation, new member nation gets EU loans (scraps from the table), young people in new member nation leave en masse to find work elsewhere because any business/industry has been scrapped to please Brussels.

Fortunate Fool's picture

"1) Poland was never a Soviet republic"

Because everybody knows that behind the iron curtain, all non-USSR republics were all democracies enjoying political freedom, free and fair election, etc. right?

 

"2) Ukraine didn't have a "far more" advanced economy, if anything the overall best industrial base around the time of the fall of the USSR was in the Baltic states."

There's that and then there's facts...

Ukraine: GDP per capita 1990: 1.569 thousands USD; GDP per capita 2012: 3.866 thousands USD

Poland: GDP per capita 1990: 1.693 thousands USD; GDP per capita 2012: 12.707 thousands USD

Granted, at the end of the soviet union, Poland had a slight edge. And now? Need I say more?

 

"The Ukrainian people didn't kick out the president en masse. It was a relatively small and violent coup led by far-right political groups as the muscle."

So, all it takes to be right is to repeat ad nauseum whatever "information" is coming out of Russia and diligently parroted by ZH? All right then.

 

"Ukraine/Russia have been intertwined for centuries and will continue to be"

Nobody is saying anything different... not even the US or the new rulers in Ukraine.

 

"The EU is another matter entirely. It hasn't done anything for its peripheral countries."

Pure BS, see above.

 

"any business/industry has been scrapped to please Brussels."

And did you pull that out of your ass as well? It's funny to read that kind of BS because back when the US extended from 15 to 25 countries, the population in western EU countries where complaining that a lot of industries  where relocating to eastern europe because of the vast difference it wages. Do you know where cars are manufactured in Europe nowadays? You should try to inform yourself a bit before arguing about things you know nothing about.

john39's picture

by your logic, the U.S. government should have disbanded and fled a couple years ago during the occupy wall street protests, right?

Ukraine had a coup, plain and simple.  But why argue about it.  pointless waste of time.  Give the people the power to vote on their future if you are so sure Russia is controlling everything...  of course we know that the west would never allow it, knowing that the outcome would be to dump the kiev coup regime.

Fortunate Fool's picture

"Give the people the power to vote on their future if you are so sure Russia is controlling everything..."

 

Then explain me why is Russia doing everything to prevent new general elections in May?

TheMeatTrapper's picture

"Then explain me why is Russia doing everything to prevent new general elections in May?"

Russia doesn't control the elctions in Ukraine. The Ukrainians who are being paid by the American government do. 

Zerozen's picture

And did you pull that out of your ass as well? It's funny to read that kind of BS because back when the US extended from 15 to 25 countries, the population in western EU countries where complaining that a lot of industries where relocating to eastern europe because of the vast difference it wages. Do you know where cars are manufactured in Europe nowadays? You should try to inform yourself a bit before arguing about things you know nothing about.

I didn't pull that out of my ass, dipshit. I have family in both western and so-called peripheral Europe. I visit there every year. Just about every European knows this is what the EU exists for - to serve the core. It's an open secret. All the late joiners have been either selling out or tearing down industry and even agricultural production en masse just to gain entrance to the club and once they get there, they survive on EU development loans, i.e. vendor financing. I see this in person when I visit over there, say, in Croatia, where the government is trying to shut down the Rijeka shipyard by any means possible at the urging of Brussels because Brussels has decided it doesn't need more competition/shipyards, despite the fact that the Rijeka shipyards are profitable. Literally every single bank over there is now owned by foreigners - the profits of banking flow to Vienna and Frankfurt, not to Zagreb. Another little example: grocery stores carrying western agricultural products while farms all over eastern Europe that produce cheaper and probably better products lie fallow because they don't meet some bullshit bureaucratic regulations dictated by Brussels.

There is only one eastern country for whom the EU has kind of worked out economically and that is Poland - they did a much better job of negotiating their entry into the club. For just about everyone else, it's been a fast road to nowhere.

Eastern Europe gets VW factories, imported cheese, and debt.

The core gets new markets to export to, assets  in eastern countries picked up on the cheap from corrupt politicians, and all the profits flow back to Paris/Frankfurt/Amsterdam/etc. Some fucking dream.

 

El Vaquero's picture

Don't forget about how high unemployment is in places like Greece and Spain.

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

I replied simply to upvote what you said.

There are no good guys in this fight. Eastern Europe is faced with shitty choices: become a vassal state to a corrupt and greedy EU, or join the outside-looking-in club that Putin is trying to get started. The problem with Putin's club is that you are joining a bunch of countries whose human capital became severely degraded by 70 years of communism.

Anybody who has spent time in the former Soviet Union knows just how profoundly the legacy of communism has wrecked the personal productivity and general morale of the people there even to this day. It will take several generations before those demons are fully exercised.

Continue With This's picture

I'm from EE, from a country that was part of the Iron Curtain, though not a soviet one, and let me tell you this:

  • after my country joined the EU, the quality of life improved, not dramatically, but it did improved
  • politicians now fear someone, the EU. Before that, it was just like Ukraine, a crony political class that didn't answer to anyone. Of course, there is a downside to this.

Every law that the public doesn't like, the politicians try to sell it as "Bruxxeless demands it", when in many cases EU has nothing to do with it.

  • the pressure on the judicial system put by the EU, to force the judicial system to be less corrupt is great and mostly good for us.

We now have our ex Romanian prime minister, a man that was feared throughout 2000-2004, a man that threatened journalists, one was killed, a man that got immense kickbacks, about 100 millions euros, to sell PETROM (Romanian oil state company) to OMV (Austria) in fucking jail. Lately the Romanian judicial system starting working quite good, putting in jail many corrupt people, and the EU is the driving force behind that.

 

The majority of Romanians want to be part of the EU.

It's the old pensioners, people that weren't very productive during communist era, that somehow don't like EU that much, but they will gladly fight for EU money.

 

Take for example the Romanian Orthodox Church. In the region in the north of Romania, Bukovina, where I'm from, there are some very old Orthodox monasteries that need repairing. Some of them are declared UNESCO monuments. EU is giving free money to help the repairing and the reconstruction of the monasteries, and also free money for rural tourisms development in that region.

What does the Church do? Takes the money gladly.

What does the Church say about the EU? That is the creation of Satan.

Hypocrisy much?


Many that never lived in EE think that being under Russia's umbrella is something good, mostly because they perceive Putin as some white Christian knight that somehow is fighting for the forces of good.

 

I invite you to go to Russia for one year. Then go to Poland, Czech Republic, Croatia or Slovakia for one year. Even Romania for one year.

And you will notice that the quality of life is better in all countries than in Russia. In countries like Czech Republic and Slovakia the quality of life is almost at 90% level of the Western countries.

 

During the Iron Curtain, Ukraine was way more developed than Poland, and Czech and Slovaks, even Romania.

Now Ukrainians look at Poles and Czech with envy. Even us Romanians look at them with envy. Even in Romania, the quality of life is better than in Ukraine.

We look at them and see the benefits of having a good political class after 89' when they removed many ex-communists in power.

We, the Romanians, had the bloodiest "revolution" in 89 but we did not removed the ex-communists from power.

 

The West is not perfect, but is way better that what Russia offers.

 Everyone I know in Romania drives a German/French car.

Wear German/American made clothes (Nike, Adidas, Reebok).

Watches American movies and comedies.

Listen to American/British pop music.

Uses American Internet and American technology.

The only product we buy from Russia is natgas, and that is only 20% of our need. We have quite a good amount of gas. Actually we are the fifth natgas country in EU in terms of reserves.

 

I wish Russia was this great democratic nation, that sold cars tvs, made great movies to watch, made great music to listen to, etc etc. But it isn't.

I try not to hate the Russian people, after all they are Orthodox just like us, and in the End Times we the Orthodox Christians will need to stand together united against the forces of neo-protestantism and zionism.

But the Russian army and Russian rulers did a lot of evil things to Romania, and other EE countries, that it is very difficult for us to forget and easily forgive.

 

I know the Zionist Western elite are bad. But life, in the West, is way better that in the East, no matter how you look at it.

standors's picture

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USSR/Russias best friends which imported USSR ideas/regime:

CUBA,

North Korea,

Vietnam

Ost Germany

you could  compare what progress made West influenced countries South Korea, West Germany  vs USSR friends North Korea, Ost Germany.

In some extent compare also China vs Hongkong, Taiwan.

USSRs East Europe ( Poland, Slovakia, Czech rep., Ungarn, Ost Germany, Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania )  versus West Europa ( Germany, French, Finland, Italy, Spain, Netherland, Austria, ...)

If some citizens of former East EU block wanted to escape to West they was killed by border patrol (patrol was really instructed better kill them than to let them escape to West ), otherwise almost all citizens of OST block would flee to West.

I know EU/USA is far from perfect, I agree with large part of criticism of West, but I simply can't empathize to Russia just from this reason West system is bad. My experience is that Russia is considerably worse.

The citizens of previous OST EU countries ( now members of EU ) live now much, much better than they would in partnership with Russia.

Just imagine if you would have only 2 options: to live in Russia or US/EU?

aVileRat's picture

Bingo.

But EU will at least not put a 50% racketeering charge on exports, which is what Firtlash was charging the locals in some areas. So its two and change and half the other, I think many if they did not have a Spetnaz gun to their head, and were being paid alot to stand around would very happily join the EU for the jobs. Which is where they go to work anyways, and send cash back home to Lugansk.

 

angel_of_joy's picture

Fortunate Fool ?

Just a fool ! Nothing "fortunate" about him... 

nicxios's picture

Fortunate Fool either you are a massive idiot, or a good troll.

CH1's picture

Putin may be a vile gangster, but in this case he speaks the truth.

Hell, we have the proof on tape!

TBT or not TBT's picture

Obama promised, on a hot mic, more flexibility after the 2012 election. We have that on tape. Not turning out quite as true as Putin thought, but true enough. Iran will get nukes and deals. US backed away from Syria.