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Train Derails In Lynchburg, Massive Fire Erupts, "Flames Stories High"

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In what can only be explained as a massive oil pipeline derailment, because trains are obviously so much safer when transporting flammable commodities, moments ago another train derailed in Lynchburg, Virginia with numerous railcars falling in the river, and a massive fire erupting with flames that are "storeys high" according to ABC13. And moments ago it was also announced that the train belongs to CSX and the burning product is, expectedly, crude oil.

Additionally, it appears that the CBTX on the side of the train cars indicates they are associated with CIT Croup/Capital Finance.

 

Click on the image below for the Live webcast:

 

Some more photos from the scene of the accident:

 

CSX CEO Michael Ward spoke with FOX Business Network’s (FBN) Liz Claman about CSX’s train car derailment in Lynchburg Virginia. Ward said, “we are deploying all of our resources for three primary purposes; one to support the local emergency responders, and secondly to protect the community and the citizen injury, and finally to protect the environment.” Ward went on to say, “we are actively engaged with the emergency responders” and that “We’re setting up a community response center at this point and we’ve deployed both external and internal environmental experts to the scene.”

 

On the CSX train car derailment:

"As you noted it just happened a little over an hour ago, so there is not a lot of detail. What we do know is a unit hall train and it was headed to Yorktown, Virginia derailed in Lynchburg at least one car is on fire as the report we have. What I can tell you is we are deploying all of our resources for three primary purposes; one to support the local emergency responders, and secondly to protect the community and the citizen injury, and finally to protect the environment. So we are actively engaged with the emergency responders. We’re setting up a community response center at this point and we’ve deployed both external and internal environmental experts to the scene.”

 On railroad regulations:

 "We as an industry, we as a company, are in favor of tougher tank car standards. To be honest and forth right with you. We don’t own the cars, they are either owned by customers or leasing companies. But we do think there are some improvements that can be made.”

 

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Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:42 | 4713174 fonzannoon
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Thanks again Uncle Warren. Die already.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:46 | 4713200 Canadian Dirtlump
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No shit. Too bad there wasn't some sort of method whereby large steel tubes could be welded together in a long line allowing this cargo to flow a little more say, not on rail cars.

 

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:55 | 4713246 CrashisOptimistic
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FYI guys, there is some shit going on with this stuff, and I type the rest of this without knowing what oil source was in this particular train.

Bakken crude is alleged to be ALL CRUDE.  It's not.  There is lighter liquid coming up.  IT'S NOT BEING SEPARATED.  They count it in their ballyhooed production announcements.

The big oil boom ain't that big.

The relevance?  That lighter, more gaseous stuff ignites at a lower temp.  Most of these train explosions trace down to that.  There is a huge effort underway to try to claim the railcars themselves are "not up to standards", but they ARE up to standards . . . for crude's ignition temps.  The problem is what's in these cars is not that ignition temp.

The refineries pay less for Bakken crude than other crudes, though there is a rush to blame that on "transport costs".  The people who know have vested interest in keeping their mouths shut.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:07 | 4713298 Canadian Dirtlump
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Are you talking about distillate? There is high demand for it and it fetches alot of money. The discount waxes and wanes. With the speed at which alot of these wells bleed off I'm not sure you'll ever see lots of gathering systems like we build in Alberta. The oil boom is big, the only question is how long it can be sustained.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:13 | 4713324 negative rates
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Warren? Enough is enough here, can we settle now on the insanity factor and the  cost of doing so??

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:23 | 4713367 linniepar
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A push for keystone?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:28 | 4713388 The Phu
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After this morning's extremely robust GDP growth number, a rip-roaring +0.1% growth, we can only conclude that President Obama's economic policy is an utter train wreck.

Speaking of train wrecks, Obama's insistence on delaying the Keystone Pipeline (which, ironically, would like spur economic development), has led to yet another train wreck... Oh, the unfortunate irony!!! Please pass me some more hope and change.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:31 | 4713402 Troll Magnet
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EVERYONE IN NYC EVACUATE NOW!  Your building might collapse!  There's a train on fire in Lynchburg, Virginia!!!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:47 | 4713464 moonman
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Don't you mean "shelter in place?"

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:37 | 4713636 James_Cole
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-14/pipelines-spill-three-times-as-...

^ truth bitchez

And someone already pointed out above what this shit is they're actually transporting...

Also, worth pointing out that the pipelines will not replace the rail lines. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:54 | 4713705 Matt
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And train wrecks tend to get noticed quickly, rather than months after the fact.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:10 | 4713939 Canadian Dirtlump
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there is no reason pipeline spills should not be noticed right away and minimized in all cases with proper use of emergency procedures. end of story. the fact that the likes of cheyney helped embed corruption and poor practice in the industry doesn't mean that it can't and shouldn't be done safely. In working in the pipeline industry for over a decade I know of 3 spills from our the lines we've built ( hundreds of miles worth) and only 1 had a material release of oil - this was because the mongoloids at the oil company did not set the high and low pressure shutdowns which speaks to my point ( all were caused by the oil company or their rep using either pipe or gaskets which were of incorrect specification for the product they were used for).

 

Regarding that article a couple of germane points in it:

 

  • The Paris-based energy adviser also said that the risk of a train spill was six times greater than a pipeline incident over the period between 2004 and 2012.
  • The analysis of the eight-year period didn’t include a spill of 715 barrels of crude from a derailment in Minnesota in 2013 that was more than double the amount spilled by trains in the previous four years, according to the report.( LOL ).
  • finally - The group said that first-quarter figures imply that the volume of crude shipped by rail in the United States is about 680,000 barrels a day, or almost 10 percent of total production.

With respect to the hysteria about distillate - it is a hydrocarbon product that especially in gas wells is vital in having the well pat for itself, and it has to be moved to process and sell - it is a vital and in demand product.

 

One final thought on pipelines versus trains - I would rather see a pipeline 3 feet below ground blow in a farmers field than I would see a fucking city get leveled by a train blowing sky high.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:22 | 4713986 James_Cole
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the fact that the likes of cheyney helped embed corruption and por practice in the industry doesn't mean that it can't and shouldn't be done safely. 

If the world were a different place, it'd be a different place, thanks captain obvious. Hows about we stick to facts instead?

Regarding that article a couple of germane points in it:

The Paris-based energy adviser also said that the risk of a train spill was six times greater than a pipeline incident over the period between 2004 and 2012.

This actually works against your position........

Here's a more comprehensive piece:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/04/26/pick-your-poison-for-c...

http://primis.phmsa.dot.gov/comm/reports/safety/SigPSI.html?nocache=4790...

Once again, pipelines spill more than rail. 

 I would rather see a pipeline 3 feet below ground blow in a farmers field than I would see a fucking city get leveled by a train blowing sky high.

Out of sight out of mind lol. As long as we don't see zee spill it's s'all good! No damage done. I say fuck the farmers, what do we need them for anyway? Friggin useless. 

And I think there may be regulations on rail and certain substances.....

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:15 | 4715703 Flakmeister
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You are confusing condensate with distillate....

Distillate is "heavy" end of the light end of refinery output i.e. diesel/heating oil. Condenstate are typically the lighter hydrocarbons, mostly pentanes, propane, butane, ethane etc. It can either be associated with an oil well (lease condenstate) or an NG well (wet gas vs dry gas)...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:35 | 4713643 negative rates
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Smoke on the water, a fire in the sky!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:44 | 4714582 StychoKiller
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Only if you gots some scissors wit ya!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:26 | 4713601 Seer
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Stay away from cars numbered "7!"

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:36 | 4713422 Flakmeister
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Please do explain how Keystone stimulates economic growth...

We are all ears...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:30 | 4713624 Seer
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Sure...

Govt + big business figures out how the work contracts are split up.  Those at the top get their big slice (Uncle Warren's counterparts on the "other team") and a few flag-waving Haliburton-like employees get to buy a few more trinkets to stuff into their caves/garages.  And the Canadians get to pocket a few more fiats so they can put it in some trust fund to clean up the mess that they're making.  It all works out perfectly!  Just need to bump off some Bundy-types who are in the way of the pipeline...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:34 | 4713635 SWCroaker
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Well.  May I suggest you start with Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, and the twin concepts that 1) most advances in human standard of living have come from the "productivity" gain of lower transportation costs, and 2) sometimes the immediate higher cost of infrastructure installation pays for itself over the long haul by lower operating costs and lower risks.

Or if that was too much: a (long term) cheaper and safer method of transporting what must be transported should result in more money in many individual pockets, and therefore the masses of people rejoice.   See?  It isn't about the jobs associated with building a pipeline; it is about garnering benefits from the most cost effective, low risk, method of transporting oil.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:57 | 4713712 Seer
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Great, from people who continually chastize the "educated" then turn around and embrace the "educated" when it suits them.  There's a word for that...

According to http://www.biography.com/people/adam-smith-9486480#awesm=~oCX0dU8ojSJ7IZ Adam Smith was an:

"Scottish social philosopher and political economist"

Smith was NOT a mathematician NOR a physicist or geologist.  And was he even a simple "economist?"

Smith never considered:

Jevons Paradox

Finite planet

Pimping all this shit missed the Big Picture, one that Smith had no clue about (if he had then he certainly would have paid attention to simple math).  And speaking of Smith, he said a LOT of things, many that we've been violating for a LONG time and yet no one bothered mentioning them (only when it comes to some ideological head-banging does he get pulled in, and, well, it's kind of hard to not look better than the other "ugly horse at the glue factory," but that doesn't mean that you're getting out of the glue factory).  Here's a couple fun ones he warned about: 1) Only countries on the same economic level/footing should trade; 2) Countries should NOT trade like-goods (no US cars to Germany and no German cars to the US).  So, either you pick and choose over the things Smith said and take them all, or you select and choose based on what YOU want/see, which is NOT what Smith advocated.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:57 | 4713928 malek
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Ouch, that's like declaring supply and demand never consider(ed) Finite planet

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:58 | 4713717 Matt
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Please prove that pipelines are safer.

Sure, for the first 40 years, pipelines, like nuclear reactors, tend to work well. Then the company skimps on maintenance and there is a leak, which floods a few hundred acres of suburbia, or breaks in the middle of nowhere and goes undiscovered for a couple months.

The less popular but probably better solution would be for residential areas not to be next to railroads and industrial parks.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:21 | 4713991 Canadian Dirtlump
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I'm not sure how dumb someone would have to be to think that the operator of a pipeline would let a leak continue for months. What you say is essentially science fiction. Around here all pipelines and facilities have operations staffs on site every day, and many of the oil companies have planes that fly their lines.

 

Forget about the fact that if suddenly at the end of the line the pressure drops or the quantity of product falls off a cliff it is a slight clue something is wrong. Stick to writing romance novels because what you say makes no sense.

 

As far as skimping on maintenance there is no excuse for not constructing and operating lines properly and regulations ( and penalties ) should bear that out. The fact that they often don't is an indictment on the political corruption - not the process.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:32 | 4714028 James_Cole
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Around here all pipelines and facilities have operations staffs on site every day, and many of the oil companies have planes that fly their lines.

Yet:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230375440457931092095...

Here's a partial list of recent fuck ups:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_St...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:38 | 4714204 estrategy
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Better data at DrillingMaps.com if you want to research pipeline accidents.  

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:18 | 4714839 James_Cole
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Cool resource, thanks. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:46 | 4713841 Flakmeister
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Actaully it helps to know the rules and guidelines before concluding anything...

What Keystone enables is that refiners on the Gulf Coasts can replace some fraction of the sour heavy imports from Vza. and re-export the distillate in a sweet heart tax deal deal...

They can arbitrage the crack spread as dilbit/WCS from Canada which trades at a ~$30 discount to WTI whiile having similar refining assays, i.e. distillate yields. Those distillates are destined for export with the profits being tax free (NAFTA and US Free trade zones). Read the Valero 10-Q from a few years back...

Long term job creation is next to nil...

It very well may raise gasoline prices in the mid-west...

It will not lower the price of gas or diesel....

A few fatcats get even richer and if anything goes wrong, say a big spill in the Ogallala, the loss is socialized...

Its is basically a multi-billion dollar Fossil fuel industry subsidy through the tax code and it is bullshit....

Comparing Warren with the Kochs is hilarious...

Berkeshire might make PV $200 million through rail shipments, the Kochs will pocket billions.... 

I say fuck 'em all... If they want to make more money, figure out how to do it to generate real longterm jobs...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:17 | 4714310 QQQBall
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Lomg term jobs? That sounds expensive

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:15 | 4713976 Canadian Dirtlump
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For economic growth, I would think the engineering involved, all the material involved, the massive crews who do the work, the hotels they stay in, the restaurants they eat at, etc etc would "move the needle" as the retard talking heads like to say.

 

Certainly after it is done you have a mainetnance and operations compliment which would be a fraction of the aforementioned, but the project is shvel ready and big.

 

Should US taxpayers blow a few hundred billion more on green energy boondoggles which end up being dumpster dived by the chines for 10 cents on the dollar?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:46 | 4715051 PowerPlayer
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Productivity and efficiency are key elements of economic grwoth, well unless you are obama.  Obama still thinks we would be better off if tractors had never been invented and 80% of our population still worked in the fields, but anyone that actually knows anything understands the importance.  Pipelines are much more efficient way to move liquids than by rail.  I guess this is the Obama jobs plan.  Why do something with one person when you can do the exact same thing with 10 people?  We are surrounded by geniuses.  

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:36 | 4713646 Seer
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"President Obama's economic policy is an utter train wreck"

Psst!  Look around the rest of the PLANET and you'll see that it's the same.  Just thought that you might want to expand your view a bit...

Speaking of dismal growth, WTF would it make sense, then, to make more oil available*?  People are fucking broke and in debt (and, well, all because Obama did something or other- I think he was also involved in decoupling the USD from gold and helping open up the exporting of jobs to China).

* Unless, that is, you are Haliburton or the Canadian govt (and oil business).

I'm NOT a supporter of Buffett OR Obama (or any politician/govt).

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:01 | 4713728 Matt
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The oil situation is really quite a predicament. If the price goes too high, consumption drops. If the price goes too low, CapEx investment shuts down, and then later on the price will climb, resulting in less consumption. 

It's going to take a few years for people to adapt and prepare for $200, or even $500 barrels of oil.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:04 | 4713740 Seer
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Matt, the clear take-away is that we will have to, eventually, adjust to less oil/energy.  I always caution about pricing things as it's really about affordability: $30/bbl oil is still out of the reach of the majority of humans on the planet.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:13 | 4713971 Matt
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A barrel of oil is approximately equal to 1-man-year of hard labour, working 10 hours per day, 6 days per week, 52 weeks burning 3500 calories per day.

There are definitely people who, if they could get the credit, could really make use of even a gallon of gasoline and make a pretty substantial return, particularly subsistance farmers. On the other hand, there are lots of cruise ships, jetliners and commuters out there, too.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:17 | 4713980 Canadian Dirtlump
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Meanwhile oil has been rangebound for what 2 years? Screaming about apocalyptic oil prices has been like austin powers screaming at the steamroller coming at him at .2 miles per hour.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:42 | 4713659 negative rates
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They are trying to pass the wrong substance through these lines and rails. It's not a question of where the accident will happen, it's a question of when, and more often seems to be the answer. 

When the problem offers solutions to a situation, it is no soultion at all. When you propose a real solution to the problem, it is then arrested so the problem can offer another solution to the problem, and the cycle continues until all bases are covered.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:58 | 4713715 Seer
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Yes.

And, unfortunately, we seem to not so good at actually identifying what the problem really is...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:32 | 4713406 666
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Is this an accident or deliberate act? whenever Keystone is mentioned in the MSM, an oil train seems to derail and burn shortly thereafter.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:02 | 4713733 Seer
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Well, you know, they'd never stop talking about something if it meant that it would be good for "us" (rather than their paymasters) :-)

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:13 | 4713327 CrashisOptimistic
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"boom" means lots of people are getting paid to scurry about.

What I am referring to is not distillate, but condensate.

The measurement of oil is API degrees.  Bakken averages 39, which WTI's avg, but it's not a comprehensive measure.  It gets to 39 with constituent parts lacking some important things. 

But that's not the point. The point is API 39 liquid is in those trains, for sure, but there is also API 50 stuff and higher than go in the truck at the well and gets hauled to the railcar.  That's clarification.  Of course there is "oil".  No one will lie that much.  But signif %s of the total liquid flow is not oil.  It's just counted as such.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:25 | 4713375 HelluvaEngineer
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But Sean Hannity told me it was an economic miracle. Higher production than any other country in the world. Now I don't know who to believe anymore. *sniff*

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:35 | 4713644 NotApplicable
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Thanks for the info. I've been scratching my head at how volatile "crude oil" has become since it used to merely spill all over the place.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:01 | 4713726 Seer
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Most of the volitility of oil is political.  As some astute people here are pointing out, the explosion/firely kinds of volitility have to do with refined products*.

* It's one reason why I gravitate toward diesel over gasoline.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:20 | 4713356 taketheredpill
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Distillate? I'm LONG Jack Daniels...

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:24 | 4713371 taketheredpill
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crap VA not TN.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:00 | 4713725 DadzMad
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A family member is an oil geologist for 30 years and he's calling the Bakken to fall off hard by 2018-ish.  He's a contractor and they are a pretty tight knit group and talk amongst each other quite frequently.  He's got close friends working there whose picture aren't as rosey as everyone elses. 

He's home for a few months but has been working in Russia for the last few years.  That's a story for another thread.........

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:07 | 4713300 Ralph Spoilsport
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CSX train carrying crude oil according to a ZH tweet.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:07 | 4713301 furgheddubouddit
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That train perfectly depicts the state of our economy.

Talk about symbolic....

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:17 | 4713390 Flakmeister
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I looked into that hypothesis, Bakken crude is legit crude oil with typical refining assays....

This was probably NGPLs (API>60) from the Utica or Marcellus shales. This conclusion is supported by the fact that CSX (eastern US) was the railroad.....

Now that stuff is definately more flammable than crudes...

Edit: Turns out it was regular Bakken crude not condenstate/NGPLs/LPGs....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:37 | 4713639 Gunga
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Why is bakken oil being moved all over the country? Rail car, pipeline plans WTF ? Why not build a refinery near the North Dakota oil fields ?

Unless of course we need to get the North Dakota oil to the Gulf of Mexico so we can sell it overseas...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:09 | 4713757 Matt
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Maybe a new refinery in North Dakota would never pay for itself, if the fields decline in production before it breaks even.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:19 | 4713792 bonin006
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ND fields would probably be in severe decline before a refinery could even get built.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:36 | 4713858 Flakmeister
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They are building modest ~20,000 bpd refinery in SD as we speak...

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=10551

Ironically, the need is for local demand....

Might have to do with this deep. dark Bakken secret, anywhere from 5-20% of a well's first years production is needed for the diesel that all those trucks burn in the fracking phase...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:27 | 4713833 post turtle saver
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you're going to sit here with a straight face and tell people that stuff coming out of the ground in an API gravity range of 39-50 isn't crude oil? further still, that it's gaseous to the point of being unstable?

you do realize the most desirable refinery range is 40-45 for light crude and that the valid top end API gravity for light crude is ~58? I will grant when you get to that side of the scale it's less desirable but it's still a light crude oil and it's still for all intents and purposes liquid

the bs around oil in this forum can be really telling sometimes... this is one of those times

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:47 | 4713888 Flakmeister
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The Bakken is very high quality oil, no arguing that. But if you have more light sweet produciton than you have light sweet refining capacity you have a problem....

Above an API of 45, the distillate yield drops sharply and it is all about the stuff that makes the world go round...

Part of the problem, is that the liquids that come from places like Eagle Ford are classified as oil production when they are API 55-60 condenstate with zero diesel yield... Useful, yes, but not really crude oil...

What is happening is the changing composition of NA hydrocarbon production is requring a massive rebuilding/rerouting of infrastructure, however, some of those flows are not long term propositions... 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:56 | 4713923 post turtle saver
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I agree Flak, above 45 you start getting into light crude that's not optimal to work with... as I've mentioned in other posts, however, this is why we have refineries that are a combination of fractional distillation and chemical processing...

to make it easy for the lay folks trying to follow all this, here's an easy fact to digest... light crude with an API of 58 weighs ~9.5% less than light crude with an API of 40... just to give you a feel for how the range translates...

to your point, which is a good one, we need to keep in mind that refiners can adjust product yields in response to changing product prices and other market conditions by varying refinery processes and the types of crude oil they choose to refine... in short, the stuff is fungible and can be converted into anything needed given proper planning... many of the major refiners have been "following the puck" of future feedstocks and desired products for some time... these guys aren't paid to be wrong, that I know for sure... you give them something to work with and tell them the product you want and you'll get it... the effort required is simply a matter of price

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:27 | 4713384 SAT 800
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When did "stories" become a unit of linear measure in English ? Oh, my poor language. We're all Keynesians now; illiterate Keynesians.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:17 | 4713979 Matt
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Unless you're on metric, your measurements are based on random things anyways, like the temperature in a cows bum ( 100 farenheit) a foot, an arms length (cubit) so sure, why not say "the flames were 3 stories high" instead of "the flames where 30 feet high", because, honestly, who measures vertical sizes with their feet, anyways?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:29 | 4713393 holmes
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It's simple ban the rail cars or the oil or maybe both. Banning stuff works so well. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:52 | 4713481 daveO
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Oil companies would love to.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:10 | 4713764 Matt
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No, just ban train derailments and create a government regulatory body to prevent derailments. Like a TSA for trains.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 01:29 | 4715033 Hamsterfist
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It already exists.  Its called the FRA.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 15:30 | 4717275 Matt
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Well, they are clearly underfunded, or this would not have happened.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:10 | 4713527 Seer
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And you think that the use of pipelines doesn't come with the loss of life?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents

Yes, this includes NG, but it serves to point out that pipelines aren't necessarily oodles better.  Also, I doubt that anyone is really quantifying the damages done when pipelines are laid down: train tracks pretty much already exist.

I'm just being fair.  We mustn't pretend that we can avoid the perils of trying to move a lot of flammable shit w/o paying a cost...

If it were up to me I'd mandate that Uncle Warren make regular travels on a car that's attached to these oil tankers.  He could look out the windows and wave to all the adoring fans as he demonstrates how well his investments (or is that "our" investments?) are doing...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:00 | 4713272 GooseShtepping Moron
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Unfortunately when Uncle Warren dies his personal billions will go to Bill Gates, who will use them to abort African babies and destroy what's left of our educational system. The evil spawned by Warren will long outlast his departure from the mortal vale.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:10 | 4713316 Canadian Dirtlump
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The way things are going he'll probably have his consciousness downloaded into some sort of satanic avatar called "pedophile-Tr0n."

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:38 | 4713395 Flakmeister
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Crude/petroluem products represent ~3% of all cars....

https://www.aar.org/newsandevents/Freight-Rail-Traffic/Pages/2014-04-24-...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:44 | 4713672 Papasmurf
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Crude/petroluem products represent ~3% of all cars....

and represent 99-44/100% of rail catatrophes.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:52 | 4713478 Flakmeister
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Let me guess, you think the Kochs are heros?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:14 | 4713546 Seer
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Again, no matter what you say, no matter how accurate, idiots will down-arrow you.  Children will be children...  I beat up on folks only if they're clearly wrong (and I almost always demonstrate WHY)- if the same person presents something that is factual/logical then up-arrows (or other support).

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:08 | 4713754 Seer
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Silly children.  Down-arrowing me does nothing to refute the facts and logic (only helps boost my assertion that there are a lot of children running around here).

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:42 | 4713176 QQQBall
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GDP net positive

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:48 | 4713208 Stoploss
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PAGING:

 

Daryl Hannah, Daryl Hannah, there is a spill on aisle 9..

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:42 | 4713179 cifo
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Keystone XL bitchez!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:50 | 4713221 Bangin7GramRocks
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Listen all y'all this is sabotage!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:57 | 4713256 kchrisc
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Osama bin Laden II did it.
Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:03 | 4713280 The Profit Prophet
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Yup! There was one of these "accidents" in Eastern Canada last year, as politicians were debating whether to build a pipeline to the east coast. Forty-seven people died in the blaze. The multi-billion dollar pipeline was approved 2 months later...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:03 | 4713504 kchrisc
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The salient point is not that it was or wasn't "sabotage," but that we live in a time where it is more believable that it was a false-flag for the benefit of the elite than it was an "accident."

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:17 | 4713558 Seer
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It's why TPTB would never believed even if they were to tell the truth...

As much as I man not stand someone/some group I'll set that aside in order to seek info that I can use for my advantage (info that's supported in logic/reason).

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:38 | 4714205 Bangin7GramRocks
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Settle down Francis! It's a line from a Beastie Boys song.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:24 | 4713578 Zymurguy
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Yeah, out of 1000's and 1000's of miles of rail this accident happened RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.  It's a threat.

(Fukushima is also a threat and one that holds Japan hostage right now, but that's another story)

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:12 | 4713767 Seer
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The pipeline people are threatened.  They want to push the risk out to the farmers and to the farming envionrment.  Just like the finanicial wizards thinking that they could make risk disappear, this too will pop out at us eventually (but, before we recognize this there's "money" to be made- it is, after all, "for the children!").

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:09 | 4713315 Agent P
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I can't stand it...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:12 | 4713770 Seer
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Please have a seat.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:17 | 4713343 SAT 800
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That goddamn fucking Kenyan Chimpanzee.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:42 | 4713180 HedgeAccordingly
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perfect .. kinda like HFT - http://hedge.ly/1m2zMWU

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:45 | 4713183 Incubus
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gravy train derailed.

 

New reality: gravy is flammable with petro-filler.

 

shitty infrastructure and manufacturing.  made by 3rd worlders on the cheap, or sub-educated dumbfucks produced by the 'economic' education system right here in the USSA.

 

It's not a tragedy. Just a part of the process along the downward spiral. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:22 | 4713579 gmrpeabody
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You look vaguely familiar...,

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:46 | 4713192 digitlman
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At least they have a source of water REAL close.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:00 | 4713267 Peter Pan
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Yes, but if someone has urinated in it, they might have to drain it first.

http://time.com/66459/portland-reservoir-pee/

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:16 | 4713780 Seer
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Sadly, the officials are forced to drain/flush everything by all the ignorant fucks out there.  You can drink your own urine for about three days if you have no other source of liquids and it won't kill you (it's highly filtered): I'm assuming that this would apply to someone else's urine, though if two people are out in the desert I'd think it kind of odd if they drank each other's urine.  We're talking STRAIGHT here, not massively dilluted (way less of something not harmful means it can only be less harmful!).

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:30 | 4713399 Flakmeister
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The water is probabaly flammable as well...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:46 | 4713196 Black.Swan
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Aaaaaaand it's gone!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:46 | 4713197 Ignatius
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"And I'm stuck in Folsom Prison... and I ain't got a dime" -- Johnny Cash

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:49 | 4713469 Frank N. Beans
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well it appears a prison bus was at fault here, and several hardened prisoners escaped... 

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:47 | 4713201 Chuck Knoblauch
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Tornado force winds and rain hit the south east.

Blame it on the weather.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:54 | 4713483 bigfire
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Tornado is caused by Global Warming.  Global Warming is caused by Evil George W. Bush.  Bush caused this derailment and explosion.  

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:20 | 4713567 Seer
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Down-arrow for a pure Party Pussy plug/distraction.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:52 | 4713206 Dr. Engali
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So is Geico on the hook for the legendary billionaire investor Warren Buffet's mess or does he get another bail out for this one? Decrepit old fucking crony.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:06 | 4713294 earnyermoney
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I'm sure this is Norfolk Southern or CSX. I know Roanoke is the headquarters of Norfolk Southern RR. Nice pollution of the James River to boot.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:22 | 4713364 agNau
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This was reported CSX.
I live close. Appears to be under control.

And, FYI

Absolutely no environmental damage. (Unlike a pipeline)
In fact, there are numerous reports of both plant life, and wildlife, warming themselves by the flames. River still rising from the high rainfall will most likely send the worst of this well downstream.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:32 | 4713410 Flakmeister
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Losses from pipelines take years to kill you...

Usually via cancer....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:08 | 4713518 superflex
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As someone who has billed over 400 hours over the last 40 days to the sweet crude release from a Sunoco pipeline spill in Cincinnati, I can say with certainity that you are 100% full of shit.

We have sampled soil, sediment, surface water and groundwater impacted by the release of 450 barrels of sweet crude for BTEX, VOCs, PAHs and TPH and the residual levels from that release are non-detect or de-minimus.  Not even close to approaching any sort of federal MCL or Ohio EPA action levels.

Go back to worshiping your Prius.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:20 | 4713570 cougar_w
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I worked with a guy who was a senior scientist for the Exxon Valdez cleanup, and I can say with certainty that you are 100% full of shit.

Go back to worshipping your Ford Super Duty.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:42 | 4713870 Seer
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"We have sampled soil, sediment, surface water and groundwater"

If you don't look for it you won't find it.

Not a lot of folks know with any certainty how/where groundwater goes.  Prevailing thought up until only a few years ago was that water tended to move really slowly.  No more is that thought/assumed to be the case.

Water can carry away a lot of sins...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:35 | 4713416 earnyermoney
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Right to Norfolk where the Navy can put it to good use.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:21 | 4713574 Seer
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Geico, another CIA/NSA arm.  Is Warren linked to this as well?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:48 | 4713207 Charles Wilson
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A Spokesman for the rail company stated that thousands of Catalytic Converters were being flown in and, as soon as assembly was completed, the emissions from the blast would be back in conformance with all applicable EPA regulations.  Mount Saint Helens was not available for comment.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:59 | 4713268 Oh regional Indian
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Another Zh classic...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:22 | 4713581 Seer
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Which was an attempt to discredit that humans could ever be thought of fucking up their environment...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:52 | 4713696 Charles Wilson
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Take a few deep breaths here, Seer.

See...it was a JOKE...a joke, don'cha know. A...

Never mind.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:45 | 4713886 Seer
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Yeah, and I didn't toss in my </sarc> too.  Sorry :-(

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:19 | 4713985 Charles Wilson
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No prob, Seer.

As they say in the NBA, No harm. no charges of racism leaked to the press if the Bribe Money makes it to the Jamaica account...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:48 | 4713213 cougar_w
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Another shipment of soylent green up in smoke. what a terrible waste.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:17 | 4713225 El Hosel
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Is that the Potomac River there?..... James River, Lynchburg is southwest of Washington a ways.

Very confusing, is "The market" up because a Train blew or because the fed blew wall street?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uto9t8k-Flg

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:27 | 4713383 agNau
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James

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:50 | 4713215 Callz d Ballz
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Long rails!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:55 | 4713251 JuliaS
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Long Rearden Steel.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:28 | 4713387 tip e. canoe
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Blue Horseshoe Loves Endicott Steel

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:51 | 4713228 kurt
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Cue "oil prices going up"

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:54 | 4713243 Canadian Dirtlump
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no oil prices will remain range bound, but gasoline prices will go through the roof in this bizarro casino.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:52 | 4713236 Baby Eating Dingo22
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Oil, Shmoil. All I wanna know is- what should I be buying?

Or what are the algos buying off of this?

There's a rainbow in every oil slick

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:54 | 4713244 FieldingMellish
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Sell rail, buy pipes.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:18 | 4713347 CrashisOptimistic
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Sell everything.

Buy farmland.

Feed yourself, your family, other people. 

Forever.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:46 | 4713680 hootowl
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.....and hire an army to protect the crop from the urban savages and the government.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:41 | 4713867 Papasmurf
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You'll be fine so long as you don't try to graze cattle.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:53 | 4713240 Colonel Klink
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We need to ban trains!  No train zones!  We need all trains to be registered!  Was the train black?  If so, then it was an assault train!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:55 | 4713250 FieldingMellish
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That's rayciss.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:56 | 4713253 Itchy and Scratchy
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Thanks again Warren for screwin' up pipeline development! Pass it on to yur Kenyan lackey!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:29 | 4713614 Flakmeister
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Psst....

I don;t think there was  a crude oil pipeline planned through Virginia....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:58 | 4713261 Peter Pan
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It's a pity that rail line does not go through Wall Street.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 17:44 | 4713878 Papasmurf
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It's the other way around. Wall Street's train goes through Main Street, loaded with a cargo of toxic assets. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 14:58 | 4713262 SheepDog-One
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I sure hope that wasn't the Lynchburg train leaving the Jack Daniels distillery with a shipment!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:08 | 4713311 Dadburnitpa
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Wrong Lynchburg, but I understand your sentiments.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:25 | 4713378 Badabing
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it was a train full of chapstick right Linchburg

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:15 | 4713549 Zymurguy
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Weeping as it's my understanding that the train was actually full of Vaseline.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:01 | 4713275 Agent P
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The GDP railroad company?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:03 | 4713282 Beard of Zeus
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Leaves on the line.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:17 | 4713342 Big Corked Boots
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Wet leaves... I think the Long Island Rail Road came up with that excuse first.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:43 | 4713445 moonman
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Yup same geniuses whe say a train that arrives 6 minutes after it is scheduled is "on time".

Just because they say it does not make it so

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:03 | 4713284 the not so migh...
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long fire fighting equipment

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:06 | 4713291 Sid James
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Let'a pretend it wasn't home grown terrorism shall we?

Again.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:06 | 4713299 22winmag
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We're all terrorists now.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:19 | 4713352 Cacete de Ouro
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Smoke 'em out

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 15:30 | 4713392 Save_America1st
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oh this is totally domestic oil terrorism perpetrated by the uneducated, bigot, racist, white male, conservative, libertarian, 2nd Amendment supporting, Constitutional, TEA Party backing, Christian, Ron Paul supporting, PM stacking, anti-Marxist, anti-Mao, anti-abortion, anti-RFID, anti-TSA, anti-DHS, anti-NSA, anti-spying, patriotic, veteran, pro-Keystone pipeline scumbags who don't believe in obamacare and who hate GMO and fluoride and electric fucking cars, and who listen to Alex freakin' Jones every day!!!

Freakin' Bastards!!!!!!

Hey, wait a minute...shit...I didn't fuck up that train, WTF????

hahaha

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:18 | 4713559 kchrisc
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You could have shortened your list to: Anyone that knows the Declaration of Independence, understands the Constitution, and values the Bill or Rights.

"It is Their Right, It is Their Duty, To Throw Off Such Government..."

"Article 3, Section 3"

"...shall not be infringed."

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 16:26 | 4713602 Save_America1st
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And oh well let's not forget the rest:  homophobe, woman hater, environment hater, air hater, ocean hater, frog hater, tortoise hater, whale hater, blah blah blah blah blah.  Yeah, I pretty much really hate "blah" too....a lot!  It's all my fault, I admit it. 

Just drone me and get it over with, obama...you know you love murdering people with drones and all like the little psycho bitch that you are. 

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