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Wisdom From Steve Jobs On The Coming System Reset

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Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,

Steve Jobs used to tell a very inspiring story about an article he read in Scientific American when he was a boy:

 

 

He said that the article measured the ‘efficiency of locomotion’ of various species– essentially how many calories different animals spend getting from Point A to Point B.

 

The most efficient of all? Not human beings. Not by a long shot. It was the condor. The condor expended the least amount of energy per meter or kilometer traveled. Human beings were pretty far down the list.

 

But as Jobs recounts, the authors had the foresight to also test the efficiency of a human being on a bicycle. And this absolutely blew all the other species away.

 

Jobs later said that this was incredibly influential on his thinking because he realized that human beings were fundamentally tool creators. We take our situation, however grim or rudimentary, and we make it better.

There’s undoubtedly a lot of bad news in the world these days. Some people realize it. Others refuse to believe it and stick their heads in the sand.

Our century-old monetary system is unraveling before our very eyes.

 

This absurd structure in which we award a tiny central banking elite with the dictatorial power to control the money supply in their sole discretion is now drowning the world in paper currency.

 

ALL financial markets are manipulated by central banks, predominantly the Federal Reserve. One woman– Janet Yellen– has the power to affect the prices of nearly everything on the planet, from the wholesale price of coffee in Colombia to the cost of a luxury flat in Hong Kong.

 

Moreover, politicians in some of the most ‘advanced’ economies in the world (Japan, the US, France, the UK, etc.) have accumulated so much debt that they have to borrow money just to pay interest on the money they have already borrowed.

 

They have indebted generations who will not even be born for decades.

 

They wage endless, costly wars. They spy on their citizens. They tell people what they can and cannot put in their bodies. They confiscate private property and wages at the point of a gun.

 

They abuse the population with legions of heavily armed government agents. They conjure so many codes, rules, regulations, laws, and executive orders that it becomes nearly impossible for an individual to exist without being guilty of some innocuous, victimless crime.

And they arrogantly masquerade the entire ruse as a free society.

This system is on the way out. It will reset.

Like feudalism before, our system will go the way of the historical dust bin. And future historians will look back (just as we view feudalism) and say “why did they put up with that nonsense…?

This reset is nothing to fear. Human beings are incredible creatures who have a long-term track record of growth. We rise. We progress.

 

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Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:17 | 4713981 soopy
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Psst...Jobs is dead...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:20 | 4713988 McMolotov
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Your statement is true in more ways than one.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:23 | 4713997 ACP
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In other news, Boner is undergoing a minor procedure for back problems:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/204809-boehner-to-undergo-minor-proced...

BWAHHAHAHHAHHAA! Lack of spine bitchez!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:28 | 4714015 J S Bach
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Billionaires always give great advice.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:34 | 4714039 Ignatius
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Paul Craig Roberts has written another fine article on our economy:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/04/30/us-economy-house-cards-paul-c...

Therein in also a link to an interview with economist Michael Hudson which I highly recommend.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:46 | 4714082 hobopants
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Whenever I listen to one of Robert's interviews, I always picture it's Foghorn Leghorn talking. Good link.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:08 | 4714143 Fukushima Sam
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Jobs, I both admire and hate that motherfucker.

I wonder how/where he got that new liver he needed...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:19 | 4714159 MeMadMax
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Steve jobs was an asshole and a ideological thief....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:29 | 4714186 James_Cole
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In retrospect... maybe should've stopped at the bicycle. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:38 | 4714206 Four chan
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i think a completely tax free corporation is the bicycle for steve jobs wallet.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:48 | 4714233 Keyser
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The banksters have proven time and time again that regardless what reality is, they can manipulate any market by pulling the derivatives levers... They can keep this bitch going a long, long time... The only obstacle now are the BRICS... The rich will keep getting richer and the poor, poorer... Same as it always was...

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 22:26 | 4714700 acetinker
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Even though he is my distant neighbor, it bugs me that he can't correctly pronounce heg-em-ony.  It bugged me that Shrub couldn't pronounce nu-cle-ar, too.  Those are pretty im-port-ant words in this day and time.

Oh, and Foghorn Leghorn was awesome-  Ah'll tell ya', the boy's as sharp as a bowlin' ball!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 14:58 | 4717130 Anusocracy
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My favorite Foghornism is:

Whut is ya' boy, ignant?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:48 | 4714085 Stackers
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Frank Herberts Dune series had some very interesting thoughts about long term stability of societal organization and how democracies are self defeating by the ever growing bureaucracies needed to run them. Hence humans "devolution" back into fuedalism in the year 10,191.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:51 | 4714097 ACP
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Unfortunately for us, it happened 8,177 years early.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:56 | 4714113 hobopants
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Herbert was a man ahead of his time. If you look at all the nonsense going on right now the first book seems almost allegorical.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:13 | 4714148 Landotfree
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Oh there is a whole bunch to be fearful of.... someone is going to have to go.   The only real question is how many and who.   

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:50 | 4714235 Keyser
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I pity the human race if a Baron Harkonnen lay in their future/past... 

 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 10:22 | 4715844 JRobby
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Bring me that flying fatman.  Of course the emperor got his at the end. In real llife, not likely.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:59 | 4714259 Eyeroller
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The BErNakE Geserit is manipulating the market.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:10 | 4715359 zerozulu
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Don't let any one get tooo rich.

 

 

my 2 cent

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:59 | 4714261 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Therein in also a link to an interview with economist Michael Hudson which I highly recommend."

You do realize that Michael Hudson is a neo-Marxist, right?

I like Paul Craig Roberts but it is very disturbing that he would have anything to do with Hudson, who is a tool of the first water.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:18 | 4714464 Ignatius
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I haven't spent time dissecting Hudson's ideology, but the man is well informed and speaks a lot of truth.

I'm not overly ideological -- no single, simple solution(s).  I don't see the opposite of the oligarchic corporatism we have today as some Soviet Socialist nightmare.  Sometimes you gotta touch the wheel to keep it on the road.  Slippery slope?  ALWAYS.  Systems are always under attack; power vacuums get filled.

For instance he has pointed out that even in antiquity it was understood that debts and compound interest, due to their exponential nature, grow faster than economies ('S' curve).  The monarchs of the day had the power to cancel the debts and give a clean slate.  The oligarchs of today demand to be repaid regardless of reason or consequences.

I am no respecter of the bank bailout debt leverage 'wealth' that was granted over the wishes of 90% of the American populace -- now that's power.  What it is not, is wealth created by honest entrapaneurship, which I highly respect and honor.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:01 | 4714779 Buckaroo Banzai
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I agree that Hudson is smart and gets points for diagnosing some of the problems correctly. But as far as his ideas for fixing the problems-- they are thinly reconstructed Marxist ideas.

He doesn't go out of his way to publicize it, but he does admit to being a neo-Marxist.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 06:13 | 4715208 Liberty2012
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Thank you Ignatius, your comments are always thoughtful.

"I'm not overly ideological -- no single, simple solution(s)." - Yet truth is simple, once you clear away the distractions.

"Systems are always under attack; power vacuums get filled." - Yes, systems are not truth, they are constructs. Construction built upon solid foundations can be repaired successfully over long periods of time. Those built on shaky ground fail relatively quickly.

"I don't see the opposite of the oligarchic corporatism we have today as some Soviet Socialist nightmare. " - I agree it's not the opposite. It's the same thing. "power vacuums get filled"

"The monarchs of the day had the power to cancel the debts and give a clean slate." - Yes, they had the power to do anything. Desirable or not.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 05:23 | 4715179 Liberty2012
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Ignatius, Thank you for the link. I disagree that Americans are"insouciant". Americans are "live and let live". It's too bad Mr Roberts would rather describe defeat than success. It puts his motives in doubt.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:43 | 4715322 rbg81
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Sorry, I don't see that Steve Jobs is saying jack about the coming reset.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:30 | 4714024 Timmay
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Too bad Jobs can't read "Flash Boys" and see what his beloved computers didn't do for all of mankind.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:47 | 4714086 logicalman
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Computers are the one of the most incredible tools - that, I think was his point.

Art - Music - Engineering - CAD/CAM - modelling complex systems...... it's a long list.

Unfortunately, it seems that humans always use tools in ways that harm rather than help.

When all decisions are based on greed and money, things are GUARANTEED to get all fucked up, especially if you give the exclusive right to create money to any individual or small group.

I guess you are a gun control nut - computers don't fuck things up, the people that use them do.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:01 | 4714123 Timmay
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I could take away everything you got, and everything you were ever gonna have... in six different calibers.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:05 | 4714134 Big Corked Boots
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Great movie.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:34 | 4714193 logicalman
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You'd be surprised by my response, guaranteed.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:53 | 4715334 rbg81
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The irony is that much of the younger generation are using computers to create an electronic "bubble" around themselves.  They have access to literally all the information in the world, but they use computers and smart phones to communicate only with their cliques, shutting the rest of the world out.  Its stunning to watch really.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 15:04 | 4717152 flapdoodle
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Exactly and sadly true... the younger generation are turning into zombies completely oblivious to their real surrounding, only to the sterile virtual world on the other end of their cellphone...

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 06:45 | 4715232 williambanzai7
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Computers don't defraud people, scumbags do...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:37 | 4714371 A Nanny Moose
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Acute Rectal Cranial Inversion.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:37 | 4714197 JuliaS
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Jobs - gone. Cook in charge of the books.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:23 | 4713994 Cattender
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Steve jobs is Dead and the Nations "Job" situation is in the Shitter..

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:48 | 4714089 0b1knob
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Years ago we had Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs, and Bob Hope.

Now we have no cash, jobs or hope.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:56 | 4714114 THX 1178
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As long as kevin bacon doesnt die Im cool.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:26 | 4714179 bania
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or Pussy Galore

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:02 | 4714267 Buckaroo Banzai
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LOL, that's a fictional character, in more ways than one...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:01 | 4714125 CrashisOptimistic
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Oh don't jump to grab hold of that.

This Friday's report started being polished and airbrushed within 2 minutes of today's GDP disaster, and it took 2 mins only because that's how long it took for the relevant phone call to be made and reach the BLS people (who do have a history of this -- remember Romney's complaint, recently vindicated and then swept under the rug within the past several months).

Friday's report is huge, but no one will admit until after the polish is in place on it.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:52 | 4714242 Keyser
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And the magical levitation of the equity markets happens yet again, even with that monster GDP print... 

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:24 | 4713998 Sokhmate
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Massage relayed via ouija. Thanks.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:26 | 4714010 McMolotov
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I want a ouija board that gives massages.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:40 | 4714057 A Lunatic
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And blowjobs.......

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:12 | 4714293 Sokhmate
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That would be painful.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:41 | 4714059 FieldingMellish
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Correct... all jobs are dead.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:49 | 4714092 Traditionalist
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Jobo.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:39 | 4714149 prains
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we're NOT a tool making species, we're a trial and error species. with a whole bunch of trials and more errors than we can ever count. Error number one, which is almost like a commandment by now..... we keep letting every system of governance, finance and institution become co-opted by the FUCKING OLIGARCHS.

 

solve that riddle and maybe there's a chance for some form of social libertized democracy?? not sure but worth a try. There is one immutable truth that can never be denied and history bears this out century after century....the FUCKING OLIGARCHS always distort any kind of market to be in constantly in their favor and any system of rules that is created is too distorted in their favor. Every political "ism" bears this out as the one true fact of human endeavor. Tools mean nothing when they always favor the "gods"

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:58 | 4714258 Bananamerican
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Turn the nice guys into bad guys to kill the....bad guys....then....uh

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:06 | 4714284 prains
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you got it, that's gonna be the job for guys and gals like you and me....never changes, the ground is stratified with our corpses

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 11:47 | 4716218 meltdown
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Overt Gross Point Blank referance ?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:06 | 4714799 Sambo
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Have you heard of the problem called "corruption"?

It is what the human mind is afflicted with. The mind is itself an instrument but it keeps getting misused.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 06:29 | 4715215 Liberty2012
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prains,

Life is not a set it and forget it kind of thing.

You might want to take a look from another angle.

We are tool makers and we do make mistakes. Life is so many things that you can never get bored thinking about it.

Life is good.

Be well ;)

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:15 | 4715274 tip e. canoe
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solve that riddle

proposal number one : stop building every system of governance, finance and institution in the shape of a fucking pyramid already.

riddle back : what other shapes can form some form of social libertized democracy without having one or two aspects (whether it be the social, the liberty or the democracy) infringe upon the other(s)?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:20 | 4714316 More_sellers_th...
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Jobs grew up in a magical time.  America was hitting her stride.  A young ambitious guy with moxie could raally make a mark.  Now we live in a world with zero percent interest rates, 100 percent inflation, and no matter how smart you are, if your not a minority with a major in urban studies you have exactly zero chance of penetrating the epedermis of control. 

#winning

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 06:36 | 4715222 Liberty2012
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Yes, of course, anyone who accomplishes something lived in special times. The past was great and the present is just awful.

Attitude is the difference.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 09:06 | 4715543 zer0concerns
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I take a re-set every morning right after that first cup of Joe. I always look into the bowl for portents of the future because, like 43, I just go with what my guts tell me. This Tyler guy (and I t'aint believing it's just one dude ya'll) has got my fellow ZH'ers allllllll in a panic and I just ain't seeing it. Then again, I learned to stop worrying and love the financial bomb. My analysis of the immediate power of more is thus: same as it ever was. My prediction for the future is thus: more of the same. I've got a shaft for anyone that wants it. Ohhhh...and one more thing. STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BITCHES. YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT...SOOOO COME GET IT. I've zer0concerns. Nones I'm yellen. Nones.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 09:07 | 4715544 zer0concerns
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I take a re-set every morning right after that first cup of Joe. I always look into the bowl for portents of the future because, like 43, I just go with what my guts tell me. This Tyler guy (and I t'aint believing it's just one dude ya'll) has got my fellow ZH'ers allllllll in a panic and I just ain't seeing it. Then again, I learned to stop worrying and love the financial bomb. My analysis of the immediate power of more is thus: same as it ever was. My prediction for the future is thus: more of the same. I've got a shaft for anyone that wants it. Ohhhh...and one more thing. STOP CRYING LIKE LITTLE BITCHES. YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT...SOOOO COME GET IT. I've zer0concerns. Nones I'm yellen. Nones.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:15 | 4718873 IronForge
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Should have posted the original SA Article...  ^_^

What's really effiicient is to being able to park in Handicapped Parking in front of your Building - when you're not handicapped and the Cops just let it slide.

Now is that Brains on Bicycles, Brains on LSD, or Brains on "A**hole" Mode? (Nod to Craig Feurguson with the last bit).

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:18 | 4713984 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Hopefully someone lives long enough to tell about it. Past resets didn't occur when man had the ability to kill everyone on the planet.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:26 | 4714008 Jendrzejczyk
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We're like cockroaches. Many of us will survive.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:53 | 4714102 SheepDog-One
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Also this 'long record of human history' depends on perspective, humans have only been around for a historical blink of an eye, around 110,000 years, nothing for a species. And many hominids have come and gone before us. There's nothing assuring our certain survival and humans are a pretty suicidal species too.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:08 | 4714142 Amish Hacker
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Thanks, Sheepdog. I needed a little cheering up.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:54 | 4714437 espirit
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Didn't Einstein say WWIV would be fought with sticks and rocks?

De-evolution, bitchez.  

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:55 | 4714611 NidStyles
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We came programed to default to it too. Humans never had a chance.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:48 | 4714231 AchtungAffen
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Not On the Beach...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:31 | 4714020 sessinpo
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Beam Me Up Scotty              Past resets didn't occur when man had the ability to kill everyone on the planet.

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Someone will be there. Humans will survive. But it will the winner that writes history.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:16 | 4714153 BigJim
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Let's hope she's not a Keynesian.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:21 | 4713993 honkadoo
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History rarely offers the loser's side of the story... Resets are chronicled by those who emerge from them victoriously.  

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:24 | 4713999 LawsofPhysics
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Correct, and now that Apple is a bank with productive capital and plenty of real assets I am guess that they will be one victor.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 22:07 | 4714657 NidStyles
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i may not like their products, but I have to give it to them, Apple has been fantastic business wise for the past 10 years. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 06:58 | 4715246 Liberty2012
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lawsofPhysics, Are you counting the debt as productive capital or real asset? It is neither. Debt is theft.

So, it would appear they are joining the fold and so may be used as both thief and victim.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:01 | 4714126 THX 1178
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Victoriously=alive in our case.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:23 | 4713995 McMolotov
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This article is relatively optimistic, which means it has no place on ZH. Where's the dooooooom? If I wanted optimism, I'd be on Oprah's website.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:40 | 4714383 Andy Lewis
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You're getting a car!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:24 | 4714000 loregnum
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haha what a load of horseshit. All humans do is keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over and rebuilding the same shit over and over. Throw in today's apathetic idiocracy and the species is doomed beyond repair when things fully go down the shitter.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:28 | 4714017 Major Major Major
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Are you saying you don't believe his whiz-dumb on the coming iReset?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:45 | 4714078 Confused
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Where does Jobs say anything about the reset? All that garbage after the video mentions Yellen as fed chair. So clearly that wasn't Jobs. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:43 | 4715323 Liberty2012
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The computer, the bicycle for the mind, brings the reset with it. The way things are done changes.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:57 | 4715342 Confused
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Agreed, but its a thin connection to make. Any reference to change, which by its very definition implies reset, could be used. 

 

I get that the computer is a game changer. So was the printing press. But no one is debating that. Its like saying the sky is blue. We just know it. We can observe it. 

 

Simon falls flat here. IMO. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:27 | 4714009 JuliaS
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I view money as consumption permits. While some have to earn the right to consume, other issue and grant the right to themselves and their close friends. Does that sound like a fair system? Does that look like a game you'd play willingly?

I don't like paper money, I don't like taxes, I don't like financials. I do not want to get rich at someone else's expense. I don't play lottery and I don't invest hoping to piggy-back my way to riches. I collaborate. If someone does work that inspires me, I offer to join them - to work with them. Not just to bet money on what they're doing, but to participate directly in the actual process.

I do not like anything about the way things are. I do not like the number of parasites the fiat system enables. I do not like or trust any government. I do not bash the US system for being worse than the competition. I criticize all of them. The banking structure is more similar across the globe than any other official strucutre. The bank is one country and one government. GWO - it already exists. It's in place. It's the collective will of all those wishing to exist at someone else's expense.

I believe in the American dream as advertized - the idea that if you work hard, you can become anything. I see the government as an obstruction, so I make it my goal to avoid social structures in every way possible - to be my own person, to ally with like-minded individuals, to treat others the way I want to be treated. I seek no shortcuts. My right to consume - I do believe I have to earn it, but not from those men who grant themselves the right. I want to earn it directly from the planet, by creating more than I destroy, by outputting more than I absorb.

Wars, money, laws, bureaucracies - I want as little to do with them as possible. Taxes - I don't believe in any of them. No fair tax, no rich tax, no tax of any kind... but no subsidies either. I believe in earning my place in life, and if I end up needing help, I prefer asking for it, not demanding or expecting it. In this world I'm entitled to nothing.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:41 | 4714064 dirtyfiles
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here and now impossible or be isolated as a rebel

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:53 | 4714104 logicalman
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Shit, I could have written that myself, but I think you put it better than I would have.

Anarchism is the only way forward for humanity.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:24 | 4714173 Sean7k
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Well, you're obviously NOT jewish. Nice rant!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:04 | 4714278 Buckaroo Banzai
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Well, that about sums it up. Nice work.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:14 | 4714303 prains
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Julia

who builds the roads, sewer, power, lights, hospitals, schools? honest question, would love to hear the answer.....

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:31 | 4714350 Jendrzejczyk
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On a neighborhood basis, I can see roads, schools, power, lights and sewers getting built without big .gov.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:44 | 4714578 Sean7k
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Sure, but where would be cronyism costs? The extra four mddlemen? The layers of approvals and guaranteed wage stand arounds? The way you make it sound, people might be able to figure this stuff out without government. Pay actual costs, give their actual approval and willingly pay the costs in present dollars (silver ones at that). Are you implying that tyranny is wrong? Because that is just terrorism on parade!

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:12 | 4714819 Buckaroo Banzai
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Utilities can be built without the government. Cable TV is one example out of many.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:04 | 4714412 JuliaS
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Better question is, who pays for it and whether they have any say as to where the money is going.

The problem is that for every road, sewer, powerplant, streetlight and a holpital there is a private summer cottage, a jet, a yacht, a boob job, and a cocaine tray sponsored by yours truly, enjoyed by the creme de la creme of our political elite.

And when it comes to issues like social welfare and affordable housing - to every politician preaching it I say: "Here's your pair of steel toe boots and a hard hat. Report to the following site by 8am and don't be late."

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:16 | 4714501 logicalman
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^

^

^

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:25 | 4714526 nmewn
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;-)

"Here's your pair of steel toe boots and a hard hat. Report to the following site by 8am and don't be late."

But, they're not qualified!!!...lol.

That was beautiful Julia and dead on. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 05:56 | 4715195 prains
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Julia

paying for it is implied by "building" it and still doesn't really answer the question. the problem with Libertarianism is it doesn't face facts......you have neighbors with their own individual ideas, pursuits and wishes which may run completely counter to yours and this is an exponentially iterative effect to the millionth degree. It's an inescapable reality, somebody has to build the road, maintain it, add to it, plan around etc. Just because in your country the rules of governance have been so distorted by the influence of big money, doesn't necessarily mean there's no form of governance that can't work in a slightly better fashion than your current system. The most distortionary effect in your form of governance is the Oligarch, they've taken over everything completely and have divided and conquered you all so thoroughly through this undercurrent of Libertarianism in your culture you're all paralyzed by the inertia of individualism. None of you can band together in any size to tackle the cronyism, corruption, thievery and general criminality of your entire system of governance because you all want to spend your time being free, private property loving individuals. Which is fine and dandy in another parallel universe.....just doesn't work in your current Oligarch controlled system....now you actually need team work to root out the wrong in your country.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:17 | 4715278 Sean7k
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Sure, but in YOUR country, there is no oligarchial organization and liberty is everywhere. The government is filled with unicorns dispensing rainbow skittles. 

Unless you live in North Korea or Iran, you have a central bank, which is a priori evidence of oligarchs and wealth transfer through currency inflation and fractional reserve debt service or taxation without representation- all those future payers of debt accumulated before they were born.

I don't know about your country, but in America, we have commnities more than capable of producing decisions and paying costs in a constructive manner without coercion and draconian tax schedules. Libertarianism? Trying to affix a label in a derougatary manner is insulting and the writing mechanism of a ten year old. If you can't deal with the argument, go back to the hole you crawled out of.

In America, being a strong and capable individual NEVER precludes working in concert to defend or build what is necessary and best for our communities. However, the wealth inequality, cronyism, corporate fascism that exists in EVERY country means you have just been brainwashed effectively. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:52 | 4715333 Liberty2012
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Thank you Sean7k!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 13:47 | 4716336 JuliaS
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@prains

You know what, when it comes to "individualism" being a 2-ended stick, I completely agree. The concept does have its weaknesses which are taken advantage of by the power elite, much like it's opponent - social unity, which is taken to the extreme by equally corrupt and inept Japan.

Individualism makes it easy to set people against eachother, like you describe, if you do not establish a foundation. Luckily we do have a good foundation called "The Constitution". The problem is not that it is faulty, but that it is not being followed. It is more Libertarian in nature than one realizes. The idea of a Constututional Republic is all about resolving disputes regarding property from which all rights derive.

The Constutution says, just like the Libertarian credo, that your freedom within society is not absolute. You can pursue your own ideas as long as they do not prohibit others from pursuing theirs. You can enter contractual arrangements with others. You can vote on some things, but you cannot vote away the rights of another person. You cannot vote to take away someone else's property.

That is where the Constitutional Republic and Democracy part ways. In a democracy an individual has no rights - only temporary priviledges granted to him by the will of the majority. In a democracy you can and you do get to vote on "other person's stuff" and the idea of fairness simply implies that the person getting robbed also gets to cast his meaningless vote.

That's not justice, that's not protection of rights, that's not our constitution and it's not America that I want to be a part of. At the same time, I'm not the person who runs away at first sight of trouble. I stand my ground and fight my battle. I don't want to abandon this country in favor of a better one. I want to make this country what it should've been - the blueprint that sadly, only existed on paper.

There is a lot of hypocricy in the American history. Our founders aren't all they're portrayed as. Their vision was much more short-sighted and simple. They are often given false credit for things that just happenned in light of times. They wanted to keep the land safe from Brits, Spaniards, Indians and to suppress any potential of African American uprising. They armed those whom they deemed trustworthy, recognizing their rights, and putting them on guard, to prevent potential infiltration of the political system by foreign foes. Liberation and emancipation of other social classes came many decades later. That's why "rights" despite being a nobe concept, were always a joke in this country, which treated blacks, Indians and women as second class citizens.

Blacks were freed when Lincoln ran out of conscripts and chose to offer amnesty in return for free military service. It was an economic decision. If he had the means of winning otherwise, slavery would've lingered for many more decades. Women were liberated only because most able men were shipped over to fight in WW2 and someone had to fill their shoes back home. American Indians had never received proper recognition. They gained their rigths when there were too few of them left to present any meaningful threat.

Many good things that happened to this country by accident and many timeless idioms written into the Bill Of Rights and The Constutution were flukes designed by simple-minded people. We read them and it resonates with us, even though the treats we're facing are actually not even close to what the founders envisioned. They gained their knowledge from the past, observing the shortcomings of Western European civilization. To them the treats of everyday life were real, not imaginary. Every written sentence was a response to things happenning there and then, not in 100 or 400 years.

The ideals you describe echo Islamic views of Western civilization, which I do not contradict. It's a different set of values and a different perception of the individual role in society. I'm all for letting the 2 hemispheres of this planet conduct their own business the way they see fit. I like America the way it was designed (not the way it is), I also have no trouble with others approaching their struggles differently. I believe that all US wars, since the war of independence were a mistake, and I believe we are on a course that can never be reversed because of those mistakes. I live in fear of all the kids whose parents we've killed growing up and traveling here to seek their revenge.

I believe we are in one big mess of things, but my point is that regardless, I should be doing my part making things better, not worse - fixing this place instead of breaking it further.

I believe in rights, even thought they are a human construct. I believe in freedom, even through it may never be absolute on a planet inhabited by 7 billion individuals. I believe in the individual, even if it's a dated and flawed concept. I see myself as an individual and if others recognize themselves as such, I'm willing to treat them with respect.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:10 | 4718466 prains
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Julia

Thanks for your well thought out and reasonable response. I've read most of your ideas over the last couple of years and always seek them out when I can. There's nothing wrong with upholding ideals even in the face of unrelentling hypocrisy, it's a brave an honorable pursuit.

Where i find the problem lies is in Sean7k's quote;

"In America, being a strong and capable individual NEVER precludes working in concert to defend or build what is necessary and best for our communities"

The past 5 .5 years is more than a clear example that what Sean thinks is capable of happening is clearly NOT happening....and to think I can come up with this as a 10 year old?

 

In America the words and ideas never equal the reality of what's really going on......there's the fantasy and there's the reality......my only point I've been trying to make is the fantasy of individualism maybe isn't working as good if one was to really analyze the last 5+ years of what's really going on.....NOT that individualism is WRONG....it's just NOT working at this particular time in history, wouldn't you say?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:54 | 4714439 RaceToTheBottom
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"The banking structure is more similar across the globe than any other official strucutre. The bank is one country and one government. GWO - it already exists. It's in place."

 

So true.  The differences are akin to localization and multilingual changes.  The base situation is the same and it is designed to mine things of value from users.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:01 | 4715346 Liberty2012
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"designed to mine things of value from users." Great description

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 04:57 | 4715154 Perfecthedge
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Keynesian

This is what I would call Juliasian.  Where can I sign up?  Unfortunately you are talking of a governance system, or human society in maybe a thousand years (IF.  IF at all).  Unfortunately people that think like you are not part of the system.  We are considered "dreamers".  Maybe we are like animals that have a strict social hierarchy and the more we try to escape it, the more we find ourselves back into it, because it is written into our genes.

Some people love to lead.  Some people love to follow.  A third group hates both and is squeezed between the two. 

I don't like taxes myself, don't like power structures or being bossed around by anybody.  I don't even think we need a Police, but unfortunately we where born at the wrong moment and place.  Got to live with these psychos and do the Best out of it.

Now, let me have a drink and a good fuck.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 10:54 | 4715938 TNTARG
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It takes just the critical amount of "dreamers". That's why the Propaganda Machine is so intensively used against it. But it's spreading. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:54 | 4715338 Liberty2012
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Thank you JuliaS!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 09:25 | 4715618 F-X
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Let's just go ahead and make this the ZeroHedge Declaration of Independence.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:29 | 4714021 planet psyop
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with any luck the cabal won't pull a jealous boyfriend stunt - if i can't have you, nobody can have you - and poof goes planet earth ... blaming it on the usual suspects of course

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:24 | 4714174 Amish Hacker
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Never ascribe to malevolence what can just as easily be explained by stupidity. If planet earth does go poof, it's more likely to be because someone did something really, really dumb, but not necessarily motivated by jealousy. But I agree, our masters are the type who would rather turn over the chess board than admit to making a fatally stupid move.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:06 | 4715354 Liberty2012
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Except when malevolence uses stupidity as cover

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:34 | 4714036 Hindenburg...Oh Man
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As if the market needed any more juicing, YELP jumped after hours and then the FB propaganda speech for some reason drive the stock higher

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:37 | 4714047 pig lipstick
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I am a huge fan of ZH (read everyday, every article), but some of these articles on ZH are just so over the top....what is the connection to financial markets?  Steve Jobs comments on what inspired his creativity and we are going to stretch that all the way into an unraveling of the monetary system?  This is stupid.

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:12 | 4714147 Jugdish
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THere is always midget amputee porn to digest if the articles get dry.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:57 | 4714255 hoist the bs flag
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upvote  just for the  clever use of the words midget and porn in the same sentence.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:06 | 4714282 Buckaroo Banzai
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Good heavens man, it's like you've never heard of midget tranny porn.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:15 | 4714307 hoist the bs flag
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i have..i like to not think about it. ;)

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:38 | 4714049 gdpetti
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What is usually forgotten or 'rewritten' is that most of our empires can last a long time in corruption mode until a stronger opponent comes along, but that opponent is usually Mother Nature with cyclical destruction that resets the game, and it is usually done with 'dragons' or fireballs/comets. There are researchers out there that have come across this data before, but they dont remain popular among their peers long with discussing uncomfortable facts of cosmic destruction that usually comes along with systems are decayed, inept and self-destructive. The main cluster is said to arrive this year... preceeded by our binary buddy, a dark star... or as NASA likes to call them, cool-dark-stars... which they are finding nearly everywhere these days except for our own backyard. Funny that is... though a group has come out today to warn us about this 'dark matter' and how it may cause asteriods to come ashore. Funny how they warn the public, is it not?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:44 | 4714070 I am a Man I am...
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Despite shitty sociopathic governments around the world.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:44 | 4714075 SheepDog-One
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I'm sure Homo Habilis and Homo Erectus also thought their species would just continue on forever and overcome whatever.....they weren't correct and Homo Sapiens is probably on the way out too from the looks of things.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:30 | 4714188 Sean7k
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We're considered homo sapien sapiens. Also, Homo Habilis and Erectus are still with us through hybridization. Evolution is just wrong. See the paleoarcheology on the subject. We been lied to...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:45 | 4714076 starman
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I start beleiving that cancer is karma! FU Steve Jobs!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 05:08 | 4715161 Perfecthedge
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Include the Gout in that statement and you may have a point.

I am reading a book about the Medici family (15. century Florence Banking Empire) and you will see that this shit has been going on for the past 500+ years (or even longer).

Anyway, you know what got them ALL in the end? The Gout ("rich man's disease") see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gout.

Basically they where having a good Life, eating too much sugar, salt and fatty foods and in the end the bastards got sick and died an early death.

So, yes, basically diseases and death are the great equalizers. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:47 | 4714088 starman
Wed, 04/30/2014 - 18:54 | 4714109 malek
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The funny thing is it's never mentioned with those bicycle efficiency numbers that well paved roads are a requirement...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:25 | 4714176 Poor Grogman
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What about riding a horse?

That would beat a bicycle in calorie burn, in the end they are both just tools of man. I am reasonably confident that an informed ZH reader can manage the reset without too many personal problems.

Jobs is correct it is the "system" that will disappear, for better or worse taking most of what we now call society with it.

Your success as an individual will depend on the extent to which you are dependent on the current artificial arrangement, that we call society.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:42 | 4714388 Kprime
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you simply reinforced his point.   After all who made the roads?  Not the animals.  roads are just another tool of man.  Exactly his point.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:14 | 4714498 malek
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You simply missed my point. How many calories does it take to first build the roads?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:12 | 4715364 Liberty2012
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And how much use, don't forget that part

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:00 | 4714124 Rican
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That :59 video had nothing to do with any coming reset of the financial system. A bit of a stretch, to be kind. If I'm not being kind, the author is using the visage of a dead man to push website traffic down his slippery slope. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:04 | 4714132 DOGGONE
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Reset! Tell the truth!
The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:22 | 4714169 jomama
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spoken like a true fruitarian.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:26 | 4714181 rum_runner
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Right.. because a "designer" whose claim to fame is rounded corners on computers (both physical and OS) has clairvoyance on how the future will only be better.  Nevermind he was a selfish prick who, case in point, ended Apple's charity matching program because they weren't making enough money... and then never reinstated it.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:12 | 4714295 VyseLegendaire
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I'm a mac user and I hate Steve Jobs.  Simon Black for-the-loss. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 04:12 | 4715138 dreadnaught
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somehow i doubt that you are a Mac user-eh? you prefer that "antiquated OS" from Redrum, WA?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:29 | 4714185 MrTouchdown
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Feudalism is alive and well. Instead of calling the rulers Dukes, Counts, Marquis, and Barons, we now refer to them as Senators, Congressmen, Prime Ministers and Presidents. SSDD

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:33 | 4714192 AchtungAffen
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Jobs spoke about Yellen? Wasn't he dead already? Where does that quote come from?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 19:44 | 4714216 Blood Spattered...
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The irony of this article is that if this farcical "reset" does ever happen, all of us sorry fucks WILL BE RIDING A BIKE!

But let's be real though. No "reset" will happen in our lifetime. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:09 | 4714239 worbsid
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  • Those of us  left will take our situation, however grim or rudimentary, and we make it better.  There, fixed it for ya.
Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:10 | 4714290 VyseLegendaire
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You hit the nail on the head.  Not Mr. Sovereign Man investor in Mongolian mining startups. 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:03 | 4714272 rsnoble
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Question is will the same fucking clowns be in charge of the next system?

And what will said fucking clowns do and how far will they go to keep this pile of current shit running?  Gona be hard to worry about this reset if we're all turned into charcoal by nukes.

No doubt, this planet is fucking insane.  One failed civilization after another what's gona make the next one any different?  Humans, however genius, are just fatally flawed in so many ways I don't know if there's any hope for the race or not.  It's just in our nature to exert power over one another so whatever bs system is next rest assured the next group of clowns are already waiting in the corridors.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:17 | 4714311 koan
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Well we better hurry because our technology is about to reach a point where a handful of people can control the World and everyone in it.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:38 | 4714373 MedicalQuack
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Heck Larry Ellison was Job's best friend and is still among us...he says the same thing with being careful with pieces of artificial intelligence that's smarter than you.  So his warning brings us up to date if you will.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/02/larry-ellison-ceo-oracle-hcm.html

You can fast forward to the Q and A and I listed the approximate time where the good stuff begins.  He starts out saying how he hates seeing kid just glued to a phone and playing games.  It's very good and brought the house down as he was a "human" here.  Oracle makes software for the enterprise that gives us efficiencies and tools to work with, many other companies in the Silicon Valley do something else.  Oracle is not selling your data either, big plus. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 07:21 | 4715284 tip e. canoe
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watched that Ellison video with Chucky Rose on your link.

big problem with Lucky Larry is that he still frames the debate within strictly dichotomous Hegelian Dialectic.

then again, he's not the only Boomer to do so (in my personal observation).

(note before you junk: not throwin stones, just lobbin a breadcrumb for thought)

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:44 | 4714394 greygoo
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Obi-Wan Kenobi, Cicero and Al Capone rolled into one. Not.

1984 wasn't "1984" but 2014 sure as hell is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIUcNLTsyYo

 

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 20:47 | 4714404 RaceToTheBottom
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The WS equivalent of the bicycle would be  a six wheeled vehicle with the wheels aimed radially outward like hours of a clock.  Plus there would be a 5000$ charge to sit in the seat.

 

WS and efficiency should not be in the same sentence, except possibly as a sick joke.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:05 | 4714478 NihilistZero
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...it becomes nearly impossible for an individual to exist without being guilty of some innocuous, victimless crime.

Nearly????

And they arrogantly masquerade the entire ruse as a free society.

They aren'e putting much effort in to the masquerade anymore...

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:33 | 4714538 sondernauch
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Feudalism was, for hundreds of years in many European places, a much superior system to the communism, fascism, oligarchy, plutocracy, kleptocracy, and other forms of "democracy" we've been having to endure over the last century or so. I move we elect a new king.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 21:44 | 4714577 EvlTheCat
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Another wasted article from SOB Lick Man.  I evoke the name of Steve Jobs, so I must have the insight.  I think it would be a better waste of time trying to figure out a proper anagram for your name, then reading the useless tripe you have put out in your last two posts here at ZH.

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 22:05 | 4714649 reader2010
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Fuck Yeah! Using the Chinese slaves turns to be the best tool that Steve Jobs used to enrich himself.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 08:21 | 4715387 Liberty2012
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Are we not all willing slaves?

What are doing about it?

Wed, 04/30/2014 - 23:03 | 4714780 sondernauch
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Just as with Einstein, the media tales of Jobs' wisdom and greatness grows every day. It's almost as if someone has an agenda or something, but that couldn't be, not in America, we have a free and unbiased press.

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