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IMF Warns Ukraine: Fight For The East Or No Money
IMF approved the $17bn tranched loan to Ukraine last night, Gazprom gets paid; Ukraine gets its cash; and the door's wide open for the US and EU to pour more 'controlling influence' into the divided nation... Except there's one thing:
- IF UKRAINE GOVERNMENT LOSES EFFECTIVE CONTROL OVER EAST OF COUNTRY, $17 BLN IMF BAILOUT WOULD NEED TO BE REDESIGNED
Which, roughly translated, appears to mean go to war with pro-Russian forces (and thus Russia itself if Putin sees his apparent countrymen in trouble) or you don't get your money!
Some other items of note include:
- *IMF URGES UKRAINE TO REACH PRICE ACCORD WITH GAZPROM BY SEPT
- *UKRAINE INFLATION MAY JUMP TO 16.2% THIS YEAR, IMF SAYS
- *RUSSIA'S GAS PRICE INCREASE MAY WEAKEN HRYVNIA: IMF STAFF
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Who's your momma Ukraine?
The IMF wants to pay Gazprom?
They (and us, the US) will be paying Gazprom for the Ukrainian gas for a veddy-veddy long time. Unfortunately...
Looney
So now the IMF is outright saying - "We will pay for War!" - WTF!!!!
That's not really the issue.
The problem is the tax revenues from that rich farmland in the East. If those regions go independent and join Russia, so does the tax revenue.
The western regions are all parasites hoping to get on EU benefits programs. They don't pay taxes.
If the tax revs disappear, the IMF spreadsheets blow up.
The IMF spreadsheet blew up a long time ago, none of this is about money. Ukraine is all about trying to bring Russia to heel.
17 billion redesigned comes down to 7-8-9 billion?
what is worth the life of few hunderds/thousands ukr ... those balckwater guys dont come cheap either ...
choices ... choices
There's a gold market problem.
IMF needs a back story.
Get to work Mr. Yatsenyuk!
Sounds like the way the US federal government operates with the states; play by our rules or you won't get federal dollars. We don't have real power over you & the law doesn't support our position, but it's your choice to get this money or not. It's called extortion.
This is astounding.
They have opened their kimono completely..
It is all about buying a country and unbridled violent coercion.
We should all be ashamed to have anything to do with this assault on freedom.
Freedom?
What freedom?
So manthong and others, really, can we do anything at all?
Is the collective now totally helpless?
Without sound money this bullshit will continue world wide.
This is like getting to choose between two slave owners.
Dear people of Ukraine, please choose the third option.
P.S. I'm not sure what the third option is, so you may have to get creative on that one.
Oh and...... good luck.
International Mother...
The 'NEW' FightClub. You get paid after you lose.
Ori.. the pro-Russian “separatists” (gotta’ love that term, all they really want is to get back what they had before the west intruded) are doing it with all manner of arms including beautifully embellished truncheons.
We will do it by starving the beast.. I would rather not have to pick up a truncheon no matter how splendid.
It will take some time, but the people are pretty clever and stuff is developing.
All wars are bankster wars!
The IMF can go to the Fed and say "Hey, print a few billion and launder it through POMO to us."
Correction: Without letting the concept of PROFIT go this bullshit will continue worldwide.
Sound money, unsound schmoney - it's irrelevant.
Who are you to decide you "deserve" something? You already have what you need: body, water, air, food. Everything else your imagination - and you want everyone else to obey your imagination.
If you are driven by the promise of a reward, you are the problem. If you would do whatever you do even if you'd die of hunger, you are the solution.
If you create, you are the solution. If you prevent others from creating (by withholding information, too), you are the problem.
When you do what you want, you are happy. The world becomes better by 1 person.
When you lie to yourself in exchange for mansions and maybachs, you are neither living yourself nor letting others. You make the world hell for many people - including yourself.
Example: what on Earth makes Putin think it's "his" gas? It was there since forever; since when there was no one in the Universe to say "gas" or "Russia". It's Earth's gas. His fees are not for the gas, but for not letting anyone use it.
He's a bridge troll, like every government, like every merchant - especially in the intellectual property industry. "Instead of teaching you, I will fleece you. I would rather live among poor, uneducated, unhappy slaves than among equals, because surrounded by slaves I look like I am important."
And all for what? In a few years he'll be as dead and useless as the poorest sissiest leper 1,000 years ago.
What "profit"? What "I me mine" can there be?
It's a great idea in theory but it doesn't work given human nature. Perhaps you should read about the tragedy of commons. If there is no ownership of anything then people are not motivated to put their effort into developing the land they live on. Your idea has been tried numerous times and failed every time. There are some great stories of early US colonist groups which took an approach like you suggest and they failed due to lack of food. Many of the groups were wiped out while others developed property rights before it was too late and began to survive and then flourished.
Governor Bradford and Plimoth Plantation (the Mayflower)... start there.
is a BS concept, invented to prevent you from looking in this direction. You approach the issue from an erroneous side: you think "How will I profit, if my neighbors don't care about profits?" Try thinking "What other ways of approaching a problem are there, other than profit?" For example, I like to see dirty dishes become clean under my hands, upset kids calm down, apples picked, etc. I don't feel the urge to be paid for doing any of these - why do you? I never set a price for my professional work - pay what you think is OK. Some people can afford $500, some $20. Who am I to "correct" them?
What is it that you own that will stay yours after your death?
I am trying this idea every day. I am not rich measured in gold, that's true, but I am alive, healthy and have everything I need. When did YOU try this idea last time?
As in "they are still alive, pay no extortion fees, and follow nobody's orders"?
Nevermind my comment. I realize that you are normal and perfectly fit for this world, while I am the opposite.
Not helpLESS but help more Oh. Still to much to lose for way to many. There are just way to many ways to keep oneself alive without having to fight for it, so plenty of "help" available.
Know your enemy
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Freedom for the Ukrainians to demonstrate self-determination and determine which set of oligarchs they want to cozy up with. I don't like the idea of Russia expanding its borders but I also don't like the idea of the coup government killing the other Ukrainians that want nothing to do with the new government. Sections of Eastern Ukraine should be able to form their own autonomous government if they desire.
The People of Crimea chose to secede, then they chose to be annexed y Russia. IF the majority desire to be part of Russia rather than be independant, I guess it is their choice. Whether subsections can secede from the smalle State, and be independant, I suppose that would be right, but will likely not be allowed.
Perhaps Russia could simply purchase from Ukraine the 3 eastern-most oblasts for $25 to $30 billion.
Rent is the answer. They can rent them for $9 billion/yr. 99-yr lease. Oh yeah, that's what Crimea was supposed to be about....nevermind.
And then charge $10 Billion / year for natural gas, sounds like a real win-win to me.
Agreed. Pretty blatant anouncement; surprised more people don't notice what they're saying.
The Banksters know exactly how worthless paper money is since they print it into existence. The IMF is a global payday loan shack, it's all about entrapping the desperate into doing its bidding.
The Economic Hitmen as well as the Jackels are very busy pillaging what's remaining of what was once a Soverign Country.
"What was once Sovereign Country"..
hardly..not thru history much..never, was never Ukraine ...nor last 23 years...sovereign in real
and no country is Sovereign full of "Oligarch" control..thus also describes all western countries...
Right, because the eastern countries don't have oligarchs...
Sovereignty is in the self. Do you, as a person, have enough knowledge and power to be sovereign?
Reading comprehension.
"and no country is Sovereign full of "Oligarch" control..thus also describes all western countries..."
No country that is full of oligarchs, including the west, is soveriegn. The poster in no way made any exclusion for any eastern country.
Da...west is one in terrible denial though...
Russians accept more in real.....
Russia has more work to do..
laws are bad...23 years amazing work has been done, but old soviet laws linger..
I think has been good cautious paced work, rather than throw kid out with bath water...
hop before jump....
The irony is, once they have all the money it will be worth even less; perhaps even 'worthless.'
My feeling is that we are going to see a surprising amoutn of force on the IMF's side, increasingly.
It is the IRS of the World bank, in some twisted way.
The enforcer.....the poverty maker.....
A good name to associate: Stanley Fischer...
ori
John Perkins wrote the book (literally) on Economic Hitmen.
i agree. they are pushed into a corner. do or die time for them, they won't turn back from their dream of total conquest... not when they believe they are so close. but alas, all illusion as they will soon discover.
Chapter 29
Reminds me or a song long ago...
'..How low can you go...?..."
Limbo Rock, I believe...
Let's congratulate the IMF first for the announcement in confirming what most people understood what the organization was all about. Because in a single public announcement they've revealed their weakness, location, position and motivations; completely by accident.
Which is fantastic. Sooner they throw themselves off the board, the sooner we can get started.
What the IMF believes happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPC6Yv3BPVY
What actually just happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAKNf8ARzXc
@Tyler's or anybody else: http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2014/pr14189.htm
Any idears why IMF is issueing Ukraine SDR's (Special Drawing Rights) rather than fiat U.S. dollars???
Is there some underlying message there that dollars are not good enough maybe???
get ready for some Serious inflation
The dollar will be history. SDR's will be a transitional NWO currency device.
The US dollar has been used fully and will be discarded by the NWO as THE reserve currency after the reset.
Yep, the downside to the NWO re: the USD has always been that the American People 'unfairly' benefitted from reserve currency status (as opposed to the SDR, which will benefit ONLY the bankster elite)
nationstates are fictions, as are their fiat currencies.
plug's been pulled, drain circling in progess.
those who write the fiction-stories never wave the fiction-flags.
that's for the masses to imbibe.
act accordingly folks.
truth titillates the imagination far less than fiction.
- marquis de sade
'cause thats their bookkeeping.
I just can't figure out what is to be gained by pissing off Russia, sheer hubiris or are they intentionally trying to destroy the dollar?
813kml: "The IMF spreadsheet blew up a long time ago, none of this is about money. Ukraine is all about trying to bring Russia to heel."
The 'money' is an illusion. Made up out of nothing with computer keystrokes. So, they literally loaned . . . nothing.
This is no different than some king on a throne passing out 'royal decrees'. (They must be 'legit' because the king's 'official' seal is on them !) Their royal decrees are in the form of fiat nothings. On them might as well be printed "The king gives you this official looking paper, and you give him the goods you produce & your labor services . . . serf. Now bend over, the king is feeling frisky ! "
Its really quite hilarious when you think about it. The joke's on us, because we never understood the comedy.
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Speechless arius? This is perfect. Its the wests chicken shit way out of the entire fiasco, if they ever choose to back out. They'll just say ukraine didnt have the resolve to act for themselves, so why should the eu or u.s.?
my post is above, sorry was dublicate. btw, you dont make sense, what are you sayin"? can you be more clear in simple senteces with yes and no answers ... are you with us or against us? ... lol
Sorry, i am most assuredly with you. What im thinking here is that this threat to pull the loan serves a few purposes, first obviously to motivate ukraine into fighting the 'russian seperatists', (i did offer an opinion here on zh days ago how the ukraine soldiers would have a morale problem because of the bullshit pretext involved with this mess), and secondly, to set up a further excuse for the u.s. to pull out of ukraine in case circumstances warrant it. They'll blame everything on ukraine, like 'not being interested enough in their own freedom', or 'they even turned away the generous hand of financial assistance' and other nonsense. That 'battleground ukraine' post really shed some light on who the ukrainians are really fighting for, and if anyone there has a half way decent understanding of the issue, more and more ukraine soldiers will be putting on masks and joining the seperatists side.
Like Vietnam...One side by day, the other side by night...??
Vietnam will be the model for the war in Ukraine. Rules of engagement, but this time for all sides (except the Ukrainians because they don't matter). The war will be sharp, but contained which will allow the governments of all nations involved to push a powerful fear agenda in their own countries, drive up government taxes, spending and borrowing so the MIC and Global Banks get richer while the peoples of the nations involved bleed out in a slow and painful death.
the imf payment will be to the "elite"
in ukraine to spend in germany, the us, israel,
france, etc. and will accomplish the depopulation
of the country, ukraine, by the hand of boris.
that is the proposal to the people. take this credit
money to be spent by your overlords and commit a
particularly cruel form of suicide.
what a deal. only a bankster could sell that
deal to a suffering people, then the bank will
declare there has been substantial growth justifying
more credit money to be stolen and more people
murdered.
the war business, beware the m.i.c. he said.
Bingo blindman who sees...
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I believe farmland is in the center and west, mostly. The east/southeast has the industry. otherwise agree.
http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/world/ukraine-economy.html
The shit-show must go on, at any cost. Starting to get the feeling that this is all leading up to the big thing that's supposed to distract everyone from the collapse of the global ponzi.
This was all scipted back in early 2009 when Timmy G was flying all over the world....
The shit-show must go on, at any cost. Starting to get the feeling that this is all leading up to the big thing that's supposed to distract everyone from the collapse of the global ponzi.
Yes, and yes. The propaganda machines are cranked up to 11 now. Clock is ticking.
Marc Faber said it in 2008.
Albert Pike-- 1871...!!!!
Thanks for this Mesquite. Most here likely know of Pike but in the odd chance some do not it would be worth your time to read up!
Know your enemy!
AD
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-abo...
the distraction isn't to cover global ponzi, its to cover Muslim invasion, the ponzi is the distraction, the EU is a non-state Muslim pig farm, everybody in the EU is now a "tenant" to Islam.
BTW the Tribe does really well under Muslim rule, so well in fact one could say they engineered it, they called it "the Golden Age".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain
Christians called it the "Dark Ages" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)
In that time, Jews were a particular class of society, not just an ethnicity. Follow different laws (allowed to charge usury), work in different professions (banking, for e.g.). Often as Imperial representatives. Even then, it was known that the big money was in indebting empires, nations, governments, and in return getting concessions, such as monopolies or collateral. Remember the Fuggers...
Yep. That's about as close as we'll get to TPTB outright showing their hand.
its very obvious now
IF UKRAINE GOVERNMENT LOSES EFFECTIVE CONTROL OVER EAST OF COUNTRY, $17 BLN IMF BAILOUT WOULD NEED TO BE REDESIGNED
I'm trying to find a source for this that doesn't circle back to zerohedge. I'm not questioning this, just looking for a source. Anyone have one? Where is this coming from?
Just a guess, but twitter?
I'm finding it lots of places... but all of those places seem to use zerohedge as a source (or don't site a source). In theory, if zerohedge wanted to create events, I suppose it could. Again, I don't think that's what's happening here, I just can't find it anywhere else. I want to send this to a friend, but I can't send him ZH links... his response is always the same. I can always find an original source to send to him instead, but I can't here.
How hard did you look?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101631226
IMF warns Ukraine on bailout if it loses eastCNBC article includes this juicy quote:
"This is something of a leap of faith for the IMF and is politically driven by key IMF shareholders to support the (interim prime minister Arseniy) Yatseniuk "kamikaze" administration in its reform efforts," according to Tim Ash, head of emerging markets research at Standard Bank.
This shows why you should trust somebody who does more than a half hearted search. (Me, doing a half hearted search vs this.)
I've generally found that the Tylers have something to back up their assertions when I've checked. And I have checked, and sometimes a lot more than half heartedly.
I totally trust you El Vaq! You've built up cred.
Absolutely right about the Tylers. They are cutting edge, so are often outfront of the MSM, which can lead people to question if they're just making stuff up. In fairness to kridkird the CNBC story might have appeared after his search. As you say, it may be the tylers follow secret twitter feeds.
DeepTweet?
Thanks for the link. Exactly what I was looking for...and while I didn't scour the intewebz, I did copy and paste some phrases from the tyler blurb... which usually takes me to lots of articles. I'm seeing more now.
Like I say, twitter may be the culprit. I generally don't see tweets on internet searches.
But it is good that you are being skeptical. I did some half hearted searching and didn't find the source either.
Closest thing I could find was..
""Anything that undermines the economic situation of (Ukraine) will jeopardize the implementation of the program, which is why we very strongly encourage the parties to negotiate, to come to terms," Lagarde told reporters after the board's decision."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/01/us-ukraine-crisis-imf-idUSBREA...
From WSJ:
Further turmoil in eastern Ukraine, or a ramping up of the sanctions battle, would likely accelerate Ukraine's economic downturn. That would make needed budget belt-tightening, which is already a politically unpopular exercise, that much tougher. It could also raise external financing requirements.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230394810457953414046...
Yes, yes they will. My solution is to chain those slimy banksters across the border as human shields then let's see just how quickly they call back the dogs of (banker's) war.
(Tongue in cheek) Russian counter-offer: Ukraine, if you join us we'll forget about the debt. Together we'll toss out the crooks like we did with the criminal oligarchs during Yeltsin. We'll raise the price of gas to the EU to help pay for improvements in Ukraine. We're working up some trade & business deals with the BRICs and you'll be a part of them. You actually won't wake up some day to see that your country has been liened to banksters from the West, and there won't be war & ruin like there was in the former Yugoslavia. Any pro West types can immigrate to the EU. We'll help with that like the U.S. does with people from Mexico sneaking across their border. All this would be subject to a vote by all your people. We don't want the headache of dealing with people who don't want to be with us. Unlike the psycho western banksters, we don't measure all value by the cash register but this works out much better for us. This proposal would be far less expensive in money and lives than going to war (which may even escalate to global nuclear war).
Win - Win ;)
May be tongue-in-cheek, but sounds pretty reasonable to me. You should be a diplomat, HardAssets.
the reasonability is exactly why it won't happen.
Rule of thumb, if it is good for the people it won't happen.
Plad:
The IMF is saying, "We will get all our money back - and lots more - by raping you for arms and ammo."
There - fixed it for you.
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When is the IMF going to start demanding Ukraine women sent to Brussels?
they are already there
I thought Femen was already in Brussels. I have no clue what they're protesting, but I like it when they protest.
Talented buncha gals but they seem a little pissed.
Lard-ass in Steven King's 'Stand by Me' got a sex change?
http://payload83.cargocollective.com/1/2/77996/3966850/6_FEMEN_by_Synchr...
I saw a picture yesterday that showed what the area of Brussels looked like the last time CO2 levels in the atmosphere were this high. It had the city superimposed on it (it was mostly under water). Every cloud has a silver lining. I hope those Ukrainian women can swim.
http://qz.com/204598/carbon-dioxide-just-hit-levels-not-seen-since-masto...
Co2 levels have no effect on global climate. The warmer global climate that melted the ice caps caused dissolved Co2 to come out of solution in the ocean; by standard high school chemistry process. warmer liquid holds less gass in solution. Congratulations on being made a sucker by propaganda designed for the ignorant.
You're merely aguing cause or effect, not necessarily result, but I spent my winter in Minnesota - and its true - not much sign of warming here this year or last, when winter lingered on until nearly May. I do admit I have been pulling for the global warming folks as I can't really see any downside for me personally. I get a milder winter and a warmer climate with a longer growing season. If Brussels ends up under water what is that to me?
Sounds like a John Kerry brokered deal.
UFC....BANKSTER STYLE!
They have too. The EU has no backup plan to get nat gas. One might infer that this is a huge giveaway to the oil companies and that the banks and oil companies are colluding from both sides Russia and the West. Not like they haven't done this before. War is good. It makes us healthy, wealthy and wise.
...Looks like the other $15 Billion offered to Ukraine by Russia, before the Coup, is looking awfully good right now.
Kiev regime will have to use that money to pay mercenaries to do the fighting. It seems apparent that the Ukrainian military isn't that excited about the prospect of killing other Ukranians... much less risking a shooting war with Russian troops.
Mercenaries are #2 on my shit list after bankers. Both groups are soulless and spread death and misery in their quest for riches.
Blackwater, etc. are used to picking on poor sand farmers with almost zero defense capabilities. It will be amusing to watch them go up against a more worthy adversary. Let's hope they packed enough body bags.
Mentioned this yesterday but it's worth repeating. Defintion of Blackwater is, basically, sewage. They shouldn't have changed the name; they got it right the first time.
Hey, you. Mofo. We want to buy your country; and fuck you if you don't like it. Wow.
"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." … John Adams, 1826
Acting Ukrainian president just announced conscription by decree. Looks like they're going to fight for the east.
Link?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27247428
Ukraine reinstates conscription as crisis deepensRelated article
There have been many wars — terrible wars — fought on Planet Earth over the past 100 years. However, the greatest war of them all could literally around the corner, unless it is stopped by the people of this planet. The epic confrontation in the Ukraine presents the most dangerous and unprecedented conflict between the world’s superpowers since the breakup of the Soviet Union. Truly, this clash between East and West represents an economic, political and religious battleground that will dwarf every other war save WWI and WWII. If the conflict in the Ukraine is not resolved peacefully, it has the potential of evolving into a full blown World War III scenario.
http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=6951
The Latest and Biggest Battle Between East and West Converges in the UkraineHow well have ultimatums worked in Greece, not at all. Ukraine will attempt to hold it together nothing more.
T hat;s some sick shit, Dude. Here's some money, go die for us. fuuuck.
Ukraine call up McWarmonger. He's ready to put on the gloves.
Evil Effer's -somebody finally put enough cash in the pot to make a bar fight "worthwhile"
Should be the EMF, Evil Monetary Fund. IMF is just a collection of the criminal banking cabel on a worldwide level.
There's always a catch in the fine print when dealing with the soulless Banksters. Worthless blood money.
Another notch on the belt for the Economic Hitman.
there is no reason to worry. Belgium will surely pick up the tab for the gas bill. those crazy belgiums are like monetary superheros.
Yeah isn't that amazing how Belgium can buy more us treasury (hahaha) bonds greater than they're entire GDP?
they've been saving their lunch money; they're very frugal.
Chocolate, lace & beer sales are all up!
Please Colonel Klink, it's a creation and extension of the United States Government; and they're the good guys, remember?
There are no good guys. There are only our guys and their guys. To paint your own side as good is only a useful propaganda tool.
people like you require sarc. tags; sorry I forgot you were around. I think I'll forget you're around again.
Well, if it wasn't clear to anyone with a functioning brain before, it should be totally clear now.
The warring factions want a war. They didn't get it in Syria. So the Ukraine will have to do.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-us-plan-for-ukraine-hypothesis.html
The entire purpose of the West manipulating its Maydan stooges is to draw Russia into actually invading Ukraine.
The eastern Ukraine is lost no matter what. So the junta in Kiev have to pick on of the following options:
a) Let the eastern Ukraine leave by means of referendum and do nothing about it.
b) Let the eastern Ukraine leave but only after some violence.
c) Let the eastern Ukraine leave following a Russian military intervention.
Clearly, option 'a' is by far the worst. Option 'b' is so-so, but option 'c' is very nice. Think of it: this option will make it look like Russia invaded the Eastern Ukraine and that the people there had no say about it. It will also make the rest of the Ukraine rally around the flag. The economic disaster will be blamed on Russia and the Presidential election of May 25th can be canceled due to the Russian "threat". Not only that, but a war - no matter how silly - is the *perfect* pretext to introduce martial law which can be used to crack down on the Right Sector or anybody expressing views the junta does not like. That is an old trick - trigger a war and people will rally around the regime in power. Create a panic, and people will forget the real issues.
If you read this article you will understand that Ukraine is a manufactured side show to force Europe into quickly signing the TTIP (Trans-Atlantic Trade Investment Partnership).
Trans-Atlantic global leadership at stake in Ukraine – Kerry
http://rt.com/news/155780-kerry-nato-russia-challente/
In my opinion, the TTIP (And the TPP) are 2 of the most important issues in today’s world economy. However, this topic is receiving very little coverage.
These 2 “free trade agreements” are negotiated in complete secrecy. Populations of the countries involved in these treaties are absolutely not informed in what consist these trade agreements.
About a year ago, WikiLeaks released insider information about the content of these so called “free trade agreements”. They have nothing to do about free trade. It is all about a US Corporate power grab over the economies of signatory nations.
The TTIP would give excessive powers to Corporations, placing them above national laws and legal systems. For example the Investor-state dispute settlement provisions would enable US companies investing in Europe to challenge EU governments directly at private international tribunals (special courts for corporations), whenever they find that changes in law in the area of public health, consumer, environmental or social protection interfere with their profits. EU companies investing abroad would have the same privilege in the US.
There are other concerning aspects in these trade talks, such as; food safety regulations, data protection to banking regulations, copyrights law and enforcement, amongst others.
But the center piece of the TTIP and TPP is to force the signatory nations into using the US Dollar in their international trade settlement. Signatory nations will be chained into using the US Dollar as their reserve currency for decades to come.
Basically, the TTIP and the TPP would turn Europe and part of Asia into vassal states of the US economic and monetary system. The idea here is that the USA would “capture and retain” these territories under its sphere of influence at the precise moment when the BRICS are emerging and threatening the Anglo-American banks with the construction and implementation of a new monetary/financial/trade system. That’s what this is all about.
Negotiations for the TTIP were getting nowhere since the Snowden revelations and the WikiLeaks that generated a growing public opposition. 6 months ago, the prospect of Europe signing the TTIP was bleak at its best.
So here comes Ukraine. A USA manufactured political/military crisis in Eastern Europe. Washington is using their own manufactured crisis to separate Europe from the BRICS (especially Russia but WDC is doing the same thing in Asia against China with its “Pivot to Asia” program). WDC is truly trying to build a modern iron curtain between the “would be” signatory nations of the TTIP and TPP on one side and the BRICS on the other side.
The Ukrainian crisis has generated the necessary smoke screen for the USA to increase its military presence in Europe and create a climate of fear and distrust against Russia in the general population. My take on that is that Washington will now try to use this new dynamic to quickly force Europe into signing the TTIP. They have to do it now as practically all current European leaders are puppets of the Anglo-American Banking Cartel (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-26/goldmans-global-domination-now-complete-its-mark-carney-takes-over-bank-england and http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-15/nigel-farage-booms-europe-now-run-big-banks-big-business-and-big-bureaucrats). They also need to do it before the BRICS can get their alternative system up and running (which I would guess should not take much more than 24 months).
The TPP has little hope of ever been signed as Asian nations are smart/nationalistic enough to understand that it would be detrimental to their own interests. However, the corrupt political class in Europe mostly comes from the financial sector and is loyal the banking cartel. They will do what they are told to do. Since the Ukrainian crisis occurred, the odds for the TTIP to be signed have greatly increased.
You don't have to convince me.
I don't even believe Emmanuel Goldstein exists.
But I do get a kick out of the two-minutes hate.
*Thanks for the info. Nicely laid out, and much appreciated.
So, in a nutshell here's the way I see it: it's the BRICs against the pricks, and the pieces on the chess board are starting to move pretty quickly after a lot of stealth maneuvering over the past 10 years.
a lot of stealth maneuvering over the past 10 years...
uh...try: the last 100 years....
Further back than that. It goes back to the Great Game of the British Empire, for certain. And the more layers you peel, the further back it goes in history.
It also goes by the TISP - Total Israeli skimming process. Which seems to be what they're best at. In all fairness I have to add that many jewish people have made great CONTRIBUTIONS to civilization. Unfortunately those are tainted by the parasites which fester among the good ones. Parasites, AKA the bankster and Fraud street class.
It all started with the Chosen People myth - which should be understood to be a purported Land for obeying Yahweh contract.
Canaan was of course the single most important trade route on earth - the crossroads of three continents, access the Med/Atlantic and Red Sea/Pacific.
Making money by acting as middleman, or by taxing merchants who wanted to pass through your land...making money from the labor of others a trait the Jewish people as a group, have stereotypically , and not entirely unfairly, retained through the ages.
Also recall that Yahweh was unable to give good and clear title to Canaan, and required some ethnic cleansing and murder.
This has now, of course, happened twice.
Few flinch when it is claimed, largely correctly, that there is a great deal of violence and intolerance in the Koran.
But violence, racism, ethnocentrism and megalomania lay at the very heart of the Pharisaism we now simply call Judaism.
If you don't believe me, or if you are about to shout Hitler Hitler Nazi Antisemite at me - how about you spend 10 minutes google searching hate and violence in the torah or talmud, or for that matter the old testament.
There's simply no question that Jewish religious tests contain a great deal of racism, supremacism and hate. Chabad Lubavitch is clearly a Jewish Supremacist organization, its former leader sad absolutely racist, hateful things, but yet was honored by Congress and Israel. David Duke is literally no "worse" a racist or supremacist, and probably a smarter guy than a certain dead rebbe - but no honors for him... he isn't immune from criticism {nor should he be}.
Rabbis in government positions in Israel regularly say racist, supremacist things - one can only imagine what isn't printed given the censorship surrounding Jews and Israel.
In a sense, there has been a Jewish War on Russia for over 100 years.... this isn't all of the story, at all, but it is a big part and explains why the same Jewish neocons who lead us into war, lied us into war on Iraq - fo Israel - have been cheerleading for war with Syria and Iran as well as Russia. They know Jews largely run the US. They want to help Israel itself become a Global Superpower.
It may happen - but only briefly. Israel may kill tens of millions before the end, but Israel can not last.
The wise move would be for the US and Russia to get control of Israel's nukes - and to sink their subs.... but this world is allergic to wisdom. And both Russia and the US have a ruling class that is very disproportionately Jewish.
International Jewry is a global superpower, and you can't really analyze world events without considering it - notwithstanding the fact there will always be some fucktard claiming facts are "anti-Semitic."
Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, the big-time trading in Canaan was done through the valleys and the coastal plain which was monopolized for a long time by Canaanites e.g. Sidonians, Tyrrhians, Byblus etc. The Hebrew settlers arriving from the eastern bank of the Jordan in the aftermath of the bronze age collapse were pastoral nomads who lived in tents and subsisted on animal husbandry. When they crossed Jordan, into Canaan proper, they first thoroughly settled the hill country all the while taking on sedentism (and organized warfare) and were only able to gain a foothold in the valleys and coastal plains after some number of years. The Canaanite inhabitants there were too sophisticated technologically to be easily conquered. The Israelites therefore strictly remained for many years a hill country people with a hill country economy. Not international financiers. Only after the kingdoms of Judah and Israel arose and became strong enough to expand do we find references to cosmopolitan living. And even then it's arguable to what extent the urban lifestyle as well as engagement in trade was enjoyed by the tribes. The Canaanites still retained a prominent position as traders (see Jonah), especially in the Lebanon. This backdrop is the basis of the books of Joshua and Judges and generally speaking is agreed upon by archaeologists (of course details vary depending on who you ask). But I digress.
The tax collecting Jew is a creature of Europe in the middle ages. That's because the church (and crown by extension) prohibited Jews from owning land restricted them to living off of usury.
Get your facts straight.
How can they completely disreguard the effect this shit agreement has on its victims? They have entered the "Overlord" class. The balls this takes! We need to make some geldings.
Well, isn't that special. Shit, another thing I don't know a damn thing about. Sounds about right, tho. Now I have to go look that up.
Or, Russia can continue to do what it's been doing. Sending in plain-clothes troops to act as "local militia" to sieze local government buildings. They have plausible deniability this way. No, "boots on the ground" so to speak. Russia risks a media shit storm if they follow the old Nazi excuse of protecting fellow countrymen as an excuse for invasion though. They very well may risk it however because the West is politcaly weak these days. Whats the worst that will happen if they invade the Ukraine? Obama will send very strongly worded letter to the Kremlin? Will he unfriend Vlad on Facebook? Or maybe, just maybe....Obama might craft a particularly pithy tweet. I swear, our leadership in the US is comparible to middle school student council.
At least the student council used to host some sweet dances. By comparison, what has the US leadership accomplished?
$10 says Russia does absolutely nothing until at least May 25. They have to see how separatist and national elections shake out in Ukraine. Too much confusion/uncertainty on the ground right now.
This is just about the end of a very long sweeping parry by Russia from the northern border of Afghanistan in a wide smiling arc that will soon fizzle up to Finland. Putin studies Chuck Norris, especially his roundhouse kick to the Baltic.
Syria isn't completely lost, the US is blowing on the flames again via Turkey. Turkey is a NATO wildcard, the are ripe for an unintended revolution themselves and historically have tried to avoid pissing off Russia since they would have to live next to an angry bear.
I anticipate that many of the allies the US bought with worthless dollars and empty promises will turn out to be not so reliable.
I find myself hoping every day for a direct Russian intervention in Syria to wipe out and eject the CIA and Al-Qaeda once and for all.
The history of a couple of the shooting wars Turks have had with the Russians is interesting. 150,000 dead in a week, in a small area. and then they charged again, over the dead bodies. Not much trust and good feelings there I'm afraid.
Turkey is a wildcard alright; the idea of them being a member of NATO is completely nuts. They're raring to go, foaming at the mouth. So nice to be shackled to a mad man when he's hunting for trouble.
How many angry dogs does it take to overwhelm an angry bear?
Not enough, as the US will find out shortly.
Wtf are you talking about? Over 100 thousand dead since 2010.
Stop smoking that Marxist pipe. Control over means of production and banking cabals aren't the only catalysts of war. Religion and national pride (and women; see Helen) fuel conflict quite nicely too.
Your green triangle isn't working. S'up with that?
The NSA has decreed that all posts starting with italics will be disallowed from receiving upvotes.
Funded in very large part by the sucker U.S. taxpayer.
aka serfs.
Think of it as an investment. US industries will now gain new customers for the goods they manufacture and for the services they provide. Ukrainian cable companies will buy the rights to broadcast content like dancing with the plebs from US networks and GM will have a new market for its Volts. US economic activity picks up, more jobs are created and consumption will continue to grow.
/SARC