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Pentagon Admits "No Solution" To Replace Russian Rockets To Launch US Military Satellites
While the US is quick to demand the rest of the world turn its economic back on Russia - especially the Europeans, it appears they are discovering - just as Putin warned, the world is considerably more inter-dependent than they thought. Following Chuck Hagel's orders to review the Air Force reliance on Russian rocket engines used to launch US military satellites, Bloomberg reports the Pentagon admits it "has no great solution" to reduce its dependence on the Russian-made engine.
As Bloomberg reports,
The Pentagon has no “great solution” to reduce its dependence on a Russian-made engine that powers the rocket used to launch U.S. military satellites, the Defense Department’s top weapons buyer said.
“We don’t have a great solution,” Frank Kendall, the undersecretary of defense for acquisition, said yesterday after testifying before a Senate committee. “We haven’t made any decisions yet.”
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered the Air Force to review its reliance on the rocket engine after tensions over Russia’s takeover of Ukraine’s Crimea region prompted questions from lawmakers about that long-time supply connection.
United Launch Alliance LLC, a partnership of Lockheed Martin Corp. and Boeing Co., uses the Russian-made RD-180 engine on Atlas V rockets.
As Putin warned - apparently correctly...
“The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a uni-polar system was in place. Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face,” he said.
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Boo
What's the problem? You just get one of those 50 year, $0 down, $1 billion cash back loans, and then hire the highest bidding contractor to build it from parts they buy from China.
The charade only goes on for as long as the rest of the world lets it go on. Tick tock.
Does anyone here seriously believe man set foot on the moon way back in the 1960s?
sure.......with russian rockets of course
Yes, the U.S. went to the moon, no doubt. That was when our economy was artificially boosted by the U.S. being the Saudi Arabia of that era, and that cheap oil pushed us into the economic lead. We then behaved like spoiled brats. Unfortunately, we have squandered every bit of that lead & now we are trying hang on to the very last bit of prosperity we once had. The future of this country will be much different than the past.
Something about supply lines breaking.
Not my meme, but someone else on ZH is all over this. I'm starting to agree with them.
Better get the head of NASA on a goodwill tour to the muslim world.... quick !
its good there is no solution because if there was a way up
there obama would screw it up, this removes that chance.
Obama thought that the pawn was trapped when it got to the end of the board... Pod...
It never ceases to amaze me how American politicians can't look even a single minute into the future to understand how their actions will affect things. What a bunch of assholes.
666: "It never ceases to amaze me how American politicians can't look even a single minute into the future to understand how their actions will affect things. What a bunch of assholes."
Well, the politicians aren't really in charge. But just look at the US political & financial class. Theyre lawyers. Other countries, China for example, have many engineers & science trained people in their leadership.
So you're basically matching lawyers & financial ponzi con artists against people who actually deal with physical reality. There are other essential strategic materials that are in low/no supply in the US. The lawyers probably think they can 'make a law' to remedy that. Good luck with that plan.
On the other hand, if they are actually trying to bring down America - they're doing a great job of that.
Yes we can!
Yes we have!
Fucked it up Royale.
The New Progressive Paradise Blossoms All Across America
You know things are fucked up when government cannot even administer capital punishment correctly. The one thing government excels at, and it even fucks that up, FFS. Are you shitting me?!
Its difficult to understand. I sedate pts for hospital procedures and I could easily kill any of them if I wanted to. It would be simple and they would never feel a thing. They would just drift off and not wake up. Done with drugs that are commonly available in every u.s. hospital.
Paging Dr. Kevorkian
HA, you're absolutely correct when you say they're lawyers, and that is a huge part of the problem. For example, none of the commissioners on the FCC are engineers; they're political appointees/lawyers/politicians. And they determine how best to use the RF spectrum. As long as it goes to Verizon, ATT, et al., that is, and that they eventually get a job with said companies after leaving the FCC.
It makes me sick. And it makes me even sicker that the sheeple just sit there with their hands out waiting for their dole check to arrive. Oh, excuse me, I meant dole check to be direct deposited into their bank account.
I envy the fact that people in other countries are arising en masse to fight for their freedom from corrupt governments, while we Americans sit here with our thumbs up our asses wishing we could be like the Kardashians. I wish I was young and healthy so I could start the revolution here...
Well, I'm guilty of bitching & moaning about the American people at times. But what might be different about us and some other places, is we haven't been driven to the same level of desperation & outrage yet.
They're working on that.
Check out this story release from last Nov on the Trans Pacific Partnership treaty (TPP) Lawyers in action :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhzUGiYeZA4
actually trying to bring down America - they're doing a great job of that.
That's what I've been coming to believe must be the overall agenda..
Let's see...They've pissed off:
Russia,
China,
India,
Japan,
South America,
Most of the Middle East..
Burning bridges everwhere...
Hmmm.
And I'm sure I've left out some...
People in government generally have a high time preference approach to the world.
Live like a King today because tomorrow you may suffer a color revolution.
When things finally crack it'll be something like "Russia, in cahoots with Al Qaeda..."
Don't discount the real rulers and think they don't have a selection of scapegoats in their back pocket. What we will not hear is "Man, did we fuck up..."
Only problem is that Russia has nukes...
Only that the rest of the world have already found that coincidentally Al Qaeda battles happen to align with US strategic interests.
Hey man, cut them some slack why don't you? Who could possibly have seen that actions have consequences?
Maxine Waters
She's all over that shit ....
Progressives Unite.
The Only World You Have is Yours to Loose!
and yer doin a bang up job of it, arseholes
Careful...she might be all about socializ....um...er...kak...be about basically..../Awkward.
How did these people even learn to breathe?
It shouldn't have taken them this long to figure out sanctions against Russia wouldn't work in the first place. Next they will be passing sanctions against hurricanes and earthquakes, might as well go full retard at this point.
When the space shuttle program was being shut down, I asked some people who are connected to that world what was going on, as it made no sense at all to me. They mumbled something about launches being cheaper if handled by the private sector. Obviously, that did not work out.
So now, this mind-blowing question is left hanging in the air. What could possibly be behind such a decision?
It was the government forerunner to the current situation where the private sector won't invest in capex. We don't give a flying (or orbiting) shit about the future.
Oh, and Russia, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, was our new Democratic friend. We just HAD TO work with them because we were our new BFF. Sure, we'll shut down NASA and turn it all over to you, buddy. Besides, we never really gave a shit about exploring space and gaining new knowlege anyway, since we're already occupied building the foundation the the new Feudal State that the USA is about to become....
Hold on a sec, I gotta puke.
The space x rockets seems to work pretty well, I've watched several go up, they just tend to be really sensitive to weather. That, or the company is more sensitive to possibly losing one, since they have shareholders to answer to. And they must have a few atlas engines left, as there are several launches scheduled, pretty sure some of them are atlas V. We have 3 launches from canaveral in the month of may, one of which I believe is an atlas. Pretty cool place to live, we put up over a dozen a year.
Oh yeah, there was a his and hers book, and a theater too.
Pay attention the ATLAS V is powered by Russian Rocket Engines. Do you get it now? It's because we can't build engines as effecient and reliable as theirs. An absolutely hilarious factoid.
Dismantling America. When the military is handed over to China as repayment, you can stick a fork in America and her allies. America is being suicided.
Come on dude, get with the program. We need that $$ to pay for unemployment, food stamps, Obama phones, disability, healthcare for illegals and scooters for fat asses. The only army that COUNTS these daze is the Free Shit Army.
By design rbg81, by design. 1965's America looked ~nothing~ like this.
And perpetual wars for the perpetual non-existence of terrorists.
Not to nitpick, because basically we are saying the same thing, but I would change that to perpetual wars for the permanent existence of terrorists. By defining every person on the planet who disagrees with them as a terrorist, TPTB have ensured an endless supply. Saying that everyone is a terrorist, however, is the same as saying no one is.
There is one difference: with each "anti-terrorist" action NSA/CIA/FBI/TSA/ATF etc. take, they are creating a new (and real) group of people who will legitimately be willing to lay down their life for revenge against this monstrosity that is attacking them.
Suicided is part of the big plan, and the minions continue their gruesome devestation of this country.
I stuck a toothpick in it and I figure about 3 minutes more.
"When the space shuttle program was being shut down, I asked some people who are connected to that world what was going on, as it made no sense at all to me. They mumbled something about launches being cheaper if handled by the private sector. Obviously, that did not work out.
So now, this mind-blowing question is left hanging in the air. What could possibly be behind such a decision?"
It's safer to have rockets built in a place not hampered with having to hire rocket scientists based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
There is only so many hyper-intelligent black female lesbian rocket scientists to go around.
"It's safer to have rockets built in a place not hampered with having to hire rocket scientists based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc."
That applies to a LOT of shit.
Oh shit!
I know one of them.
Except she's mute, deaf, dumb and a quadriplegic, too....
Will that still work?
One of my Hyper CA Government Progressive Mates a Rabid SF 49ers Fan always talks about Diversity, Equality, Social Justice and all that sorta stuff, which is not even necessary to be talked about in Libertarian circles, for it just happens, went Fuck Nuts when I told him that the 9ers ought-a give up their first draft choice for a gay left handed quadriplegic running back.
He said that was not fair as it would penalize the team.
Prolly not, since you're already in trouble and don't know it, just keep being the knuckler you are until the bitter end.
That's right, you guys got sent to Jupiter to explore the hot spot of the planet, and yee welcome back here so pack some of that heat when it's time to leave there cause it's real cold on pluto, and that's where most of ya have been landing.
"There is only so many hyper-intelligent black female lesbian rocket scientists to go around'.
I've been searching for that niche on RedTube for years with no luck.
The USAF is now the US Space Command. We've had operational CRVs for fifteen years.
Try to understand the difference between DoD space launch and NASA space launch.
NASA used to use the shuttle to go to the ISS and now uses OSC-Antares, SpaceX-Dragon and Russian-Soyuz.
DoD uses Atlas V with a russian Main Engine, the Delta IV with an American main engine and SpaceX is
trying to break into the market with the Falcon 9.
When NASA made the decision to shut down the Shuttle, they were investing into a new booster and spacecraft Constellation, OSC and SpaceX. I suspect they will keep investing into SpaceX.
DoD can choose to go to SpaceX and keep using the Delta.
This is not a stranglehold by Russia for very long.
ULA has a 2 year inventory of russian engines. The government has until 2016 before they are forced to shift out of their present behavior. I expect that the actual launch schedules won't even hiccup.
I said that in a recent conversation. But my example was if the US navy lost a third of its fleet in a war could we replace it.. while at war.
Good luck doing that when the EMP goes off. Everything is interconnected. Expect an EMP prior to all out nuke exchanges. There would be zero way to rebuild combat losses without energy.
An old saying goes like "you go to war with the army you have. Not the army you want to have."
Could the real problem be that all of our geniuses that would create cheaper, better rockets either program fucking algorithms for the thieves on Wall Street or design new "like" buttons for social media.
Malinvestment ain't just for finances and mfg.s!
It's not good to have all of civilization dependent on something that comes out of the ground, and once it's out of the ground, the goal is how fast one can burn it up and need more.
this is all scripted..........the dollar is dead and everyone knows it.....
Im transmitting to Vlad as we speak..........
The big secret is 'debt-based fiat money'........not oil scarcity
Look for SRD reserve currency status soon and Russia/China to have a bigger seat at the IMF dinner table........Timmy G set this all up in 2009
When that happens our gold problems will be fixed. America will bw shittin bricks. Gold bricks.
If you don't burn it, how can you possibly contribute to "economic activity"?
We can't just have people undisturbed, mooching around happily all their lives in the proverbial garden of Eden now can we?
At this point mankinds only course of action must be to continue to blindly pretend that we know all the answers, we are too far down the road to do anything else.
Therefore just Keep calm and carry on..
The US had real manufacturing capacity, which was used to win WWII. That didn't depend on having oil in the ground any more than Germany's manufacturing capacity does, or Japan's did, or China's does.
Those in power in the US and on Wall Street, gave away America's manufacturing capacity, mainly to China, to put a few more short-term dollars into their pockets while screwing the rest of the country.
I think I understand your main point but that manufacturing capacity certainly did rely on having the energy in the ground here. You ain't building a tank without having the BTUs.
I'll place Aramco's older jewelry and original shots with Jack'13 on black.
>>>The future of this country will be much different than the past.
Yep. Karma IS a bitch....
excellent point's dryam!
I wonder how the oil rich gulf states feel after their oil ends. Maybe building kilometer long buildings was not the best idea?
They should've brought Clive Bundy's cows over to start shitting and reclaiming the desert.
There are 2 Americans, 1 Japanese, 2 Russians and 1 Latvian on board the ISS right now.
Bonesman Kerry says the Russians are massing at the airlock in preparation to attack the Latvian...
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/expedition39/index...
I'm just waiting for Kerry to be ferried around on a Russian aircraft while threatening sactions. It could happen.
That film 2010 seems relevant again
And the ending scene from 'The Planet of the Apes'...
What kills me is people think it is easier to go to the moon than fake it.
This is a libertarian site. Not conservative.
Libertarianism encompasses conservatism. Unless you are talking about GOP Conservatism....which has nothing at all to do with actual fiscal conservatism.
Much like the term Tea Party, anyone identified as a Libertarian these days evokes shrieks terror from the left...
I see you arrived four months ago. Thanks for filling me in on what this site is all about.
Its okay, I've been here 4 years or so and I am not sure all the time.
pods
I thought this was the unofficial Putin fan club?
ZH defies labeling or classification. There is a bit of everyting here and everyone is welcome to express their views. We especially enjoy the views of idiots due to the entertainment value therein.
What kills me is how easy it is for someone who did not live through it, who did not stand on the ground and watch the rockets go up can rewrite the history with a plausible but false narrative.
van allen belts
Beat me to it TW.
larry king suspenders
Not sure, but this is the place where many politicons belong to.
22 win,
You give "legitimate" conspiracy theorists a bad name.
Well is it not laughable that almost 50 years after we flew to, descended to and landed on, played golf and drove around on the moon, took back off, docked, then flew back and re-entered our atmosphere that we can barely lob a missile into low earth orbit?
And that it is more cost effective (cheaper to insure from premature blowup) to have our once sworn enemy provide us the rocket engines to launch MILITARY hardware?
Oh, and the most triumphant victory of man ever in the history of super awesome events was not good enough to protect the tapes for posterity's sake. And copies of the copies had to be gathered and "re-mastered."
Yep, nothing legitimate about that one.
pods
I find it hilarious. So many holes in that. And that we aren't even close to being able to do it today. When asked, NaSA gives this list of technical problems to overcome. And money. Somehow, we were able to do it multiple times with 60s technology, but could not repeat the landing. Cuz it never happened. Which is why you won't see us go to the moon, at least the us, since that would require us to admit we never did in the first place.
Either that or i'm livin in a hole in the ground and missed alot of stuff.
Gosh, you are dumb. You moon landing denying tin foil hat wearers need to present your evidence proving the landings were faked. However, you should know that crayon drawings do not reproduce well, so get your mommies or daddies to draw your diagrams for you with those sharp writing implements that you are, for your own safety, forbidden from using. Hurry up now, your bedtime is fast approaching!!
Now why do I have to provide evidence?
Is it going to make a difference in my life if somehow it is determined that the landings were faked?
Or who really killed JFK and why?
Or 911?
I do not need any more confirmation that the government is not trying to protect my rights and is only looking out for its own best interests.
And it is not my job to wake up someone who wants to be asleep.
pods
Like someone posted upthread...
Yup...Entertainment..
:-)
Not true, I just sent a guy on his way to Jupiter and you completely missed it.
Negative Rates never lies...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy
I saw him too.
if u have mad nazi scientist, u can do allmost everything... brilliant minds without moral will get u there.
Which one?
Yes. We were at war with the Soviet Union at the time. There is no way they would have given us a pass on a movie back lot landing.
i once did , not anymore ... if you look deeply into it it becomes like 9/11
"i once did , not anymore ... if you look deeply into it it becomes like 9/11"
I am pretty sure if yopu look deeply into a mirror you will see the vacant lot that is your head, mypetdrone. How about sharing some of your "deep" info with us so we can all share a good laugh........at you.
"Does anyone here seriously believe man set foot on the moon way back in the 1960s?"
Does anyone believe 22failmag is not a complete idiot after the above moronic comment? I mean I always have felt his comments were mostly stupid, and now, we all know why......22failmag is mostly stupid. Go figure.
Does anyone here seriously believe man set foot on the moon way back in the 1960s?
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cmon man its not that hard to look up in this day and age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_loUDS4c3Cs
or if you want the abbreviated version,
Yes, we had the technology to go there.
No, we didnt have the technology to fake what millions of people saw on live TV.
just because the government's a sack of lying assholes doesnt mean we never went to the moon.
22 win,
On the off chance that you're not a troll, perhaps you might embrace a conspiracy that's not so dependent on bad science. Just a thought.
Why not outsource to China directly? Will cost only a fraction of it.
Yes! Hire Chinese Astronauts to do everything! I'm sure you can get at least 2-3 Chinese Astronauts for the price of an American. I'm sure they will take the USD forever and ever.
Geee, you don't think this has anything to do with the corrupt, arrogant, narcissistic, lying illegal indonesian kenyan muslim cociopathic ignoramus fudge packer in chief's moves to decimate NASA..... nah!1!! ... free fudge packs. er in cief phones for the lazy azzes is a much better way to spend the taxes paid by U.S. citizen serfs and peasants.... you bet....
BUT he has the alphabet pedigree! His mom was an NOC agent; his step-father involved in the agency's much bloody plot to topple the host country's founding father and highly popular president then, even his grandma worked for the agency's financial interests in Hawaii. Read here.
The Pentagon can just replace them with one of NASA's Muslim Outreach rockets.
Now it seems the whole dismantling of our space program was calculated and sinister.
We have Obama phones, why not Obama rockets. We'll show that asshole putin what free people can build! /s
Obama rocket? You mean like, you feed him a can full of beans and onions and light a match under his ass?
I would politely decline to ride on a rocket where the boosters were built in the hood.
That's been my conclusion. All of this been pre-planned, at least since 1913, and maybe before. Multigenerational. End of the American experiment.
Why don't they buy the rocket engines from Wal-Mart ?
That's where Americans get all the other import crap they buy.
I hear if you load the satellite into a Tesla, angle it just right and puncture the battery...
There actually is a solution.
.
Elon Musk halts deal between US Air Force and Russian rocket-makers
'... After being hit with sanctions, Rogozin announced over Twitter on Thursday that he had a new plan that could help get the US into space without relying on Russian companies any longer. "After analyzing the sanctions against our space industry, I suggest the US delivers its astronauts to the ISS [international space station] with a trampoline.” Rogozin wrote...'
Musk is your typical American prick.
All mouth, no product. He has no car (Tesla is just a dangerous toy for enviro suckers), and for sure he has no rocket engine.
For now, Americans should stay grounded until they come to their senses. In the mean time, they could watch on TV how the Chinese will be jumping on the Moon and how Russians will be getting to Mars...
Not for nothin', but he was born in South Africa. I think he's got Canadian citizenship.
He and his brother also made a mint, as kids, creating online service directories. Then he went on to create pay pal. He is now looking to revolutionize the battery industry. Elon Musk has his shit together on a level most can only dream of.
Edit: co-founded paypal
That battery story is as big a BS as his Tesla car.
PayPal though is a good real business.
He might be Canadian but he lives in US, gets US taxpayer money (for his enviro BS), and uses US courts to fool around with his perceived competition. So, for all practical purposes, he is American.
Fair enough. Well played.
IIRC, because he wanted to avoid serving the the ZAF Conscription.
So, why would the US Military want to do business with a Draft Dodger? Giving them Grants on a whim was a bit too lenient.
I went to School with a good number of Aerospace Engineers in my Class - at least one Piloting the Space Shuttle - whom IMO would be a better candidates to head up alternative options.
Common, draft dodger?! What would you do if your government forced YOU to join? Are you aware of what the ZAF did back in those days?
Don't hate the player hate the game fellas, instead of complaining about the what was holding him back the dude just made it happen. But whatever. I don't know why I bother with this angry little corner of the Internet.
Yes and he is now a naturalized US citizen. He's not your typical American prick in the vein of Kerry, McCain, Romney; more of an international prick.
Somebody has a resentment...
Oh well....
Yeah, but we buy better wars and do much bigger bank bailouts than they can.
The SpaceX Merlin engine is very good.
Of course it was designed after getting our hands on the Russian rocket engines.
You've got two Americans on the International Space Station with no ride home.
this will be used as justification to give billion to a defense contractor.
I still stick to my earlier position. Just write out a freaking check to the Ukraine for $20 billion to pay their gas bills and save a lot of wasted money on defense and potentially wasted lives.
Flight 370 on its way.
What's that dudes name who set the record for sky diving from a platform in space? They might have to break it.
Baumgartner.
Hope they packed asbestos undergarments.
Yeah, really. Jumping out of a baloon rotating at the same speed as the atmosphere is one thing. Jumping out of a space station and reentering the atmosphere doing 20,000 MPH relative is quite different. Charcoal briquette.
Thick asbestos undergarments and a thermos of liquid oxygen with 2 straws...
Can we send up an Apollo capsule with helium balloons?
pods
Heh heh...
All this engineering humour is nice...
But we got fools in DC making similar statements..
And THEY aren't even trying to be funny..
And on the taxpayer's dollar too...
"Jumping out of a space station and reentering the atmosphere doing 20,000 MPH relative is quite different. Charcoal briquette."
Like driving in a Tesla S?
HeyNow! I see the correlation!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2zKARkpDW4
Well, they can always hijack the Soyuz-TMA.
putnik rockets
we donte needs no filthy rockets.
my fallow amerigans with beliefs we still can go to mars.
lets roll
Dude, you can't live on mars, no water.
When I was growing up I followed the space program with awe. I couldn't get enough of it. I had the pleasure of seeing two shuttles take off live, and sadly watched as two exploded. One of my greatest disappointments is to see what our space program has become. I never would have believed we would come to this after all I've witnessed of what we are capable of doing.
Do you mean the amazing Abu Ghraib naked prisoner pyramid?
Damn, you are on FIRE tonight. :)
Camp Fema will make those naked pyramid's look like child's play.
All those boys' that ran Abu Ghraib were brought home (USA) to run FEMA detention centers.
Me thinks that the Reality Show of the FUTURE USA, will be like Truman-Show at Camp Fema, where German Shepherds rape children (Nazi fact) in front of teriffied parents to find "terrorists", ... hey its 100% American.
Sadly, we are capable of some pretty shitty things too.
I'd file that one under 'what we've come to' not ''what we are capable of'.
Sooo, ummm, any guesses on when .gov thought it'd be a great idea to launch from "Russia"?
Going to space is a complete waste of fucking time and money. People all over the god damn place are starving, can't find jobs, broke as fuck and we're spending billions of dollars to float around MIR like fucking retards.
If we never launched another fucking rocket into space it would be one giant leap for man kind. Let's get our shit together on planet Earth.
Well, there is this little thing of OUR guys being stuck in orbit now, apparently, their lives being held hostage by...
But what the hell, just like Benghazi, what difference does it make.
Idea for a movie.
The astronauts watch the world slowly nuke itself, one mushroom cloud at a time.
Or has that been done already?
By Philip K. Dick. One of his later novels. Everything turns out OK, though... depending on how you define "OK".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Bloodmoney,_or_How_We_Got_Along_After_t...
THX!
Added to the list.
If I were to rank government expenditures from the least damaging to society to the most damaging, the least most damaging one would probably be space exploration absent military applications.
I would prefer a private, voluntary system, but sadly that's not how things work right now.
Also, the only way to escape government these days is to leave this rock. The sooner we can buy our own TR3B and fly away the better.
If I were to rank government expenditures from the least damaging to society to the most damaging, the least most damaging one would probably be space exploration absent military applications.
Exactly...I was around when Pres. Kennedy steered the country to space.. I thought then, what a great idea... Keeps the MIC occupied without murdering any more peoples..
Turn off your T.V. the signal comes from space.
You know the thing about it is that our space budget was a freaking rounding error on the federal budget, yet they said it was too expensive. Too expensive my ass. They did this on purpose.