Ukraine Admits "Helpless" Against Pro-Russian Forces; Reinstates Military Conscription

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Days after acting Defense Minister Mykhailo Koval warned "the Armed Forces are not ready for this," Ukraine has announced the return of military conscription. After Mr Turchynov admitted his security forces were 'helpless' to quash the pro-Moscow insurgency that has tightened its grip on the increasingly chaotic east of the country, Koval believes "if there were conscripts in military units, then the situation might be different." Of course, this is exactly what the IMF 'demanded' as yet more cities in the East fall to pro-Russian separatists. We can only imagine how pro-Russian 20-23 year old men will feel when they get their call-up papers to fight... against themselves.

 

As NRCU reports,

The Armed Forces of Ukraine could return military conscription, acting Defense Minister Mykhailo Koval has stated. "The army will be professional - this is the future of the Armed Forces. But now the Armed Forces are not ready for this. Therefore we might have to return 21-23-years-old men for a while, and they will serve the state," he told reporters in Kyiv on April 26.

According to Koval, the reckless policy of transition to contract service showed its negative sides, in particular, in Crimea. "If there were conscripts in military units, then the situation might be different," the minister said.In addition, the minister said the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not created a good base for training and life-support of contract soldiers.

And then today, The Daily Mail confirms...

Embattled Ukraine today announced it was bringing back conscription as a mob of some 300 pro-Russian militants seized control of the prosecutor's office in Donetsk after overrunning police.

Coming on the heels of this...

But Mr Turchynov admitted his security forces were 'helpless' to quash the pro-Moscow insurgency that has tightened its grip on the increasingly chaotic east of the country.

And the previous details of the conscription plan...

The Ukrainian parliament has adopted a resolution recommending that acting President Oleksandr Turchynov resume mandatory drafting of conscripts into the country's army.

The resolution "on additional measures for strengthening Ukraine's defense capability in connection with Russia's aggression against Ukraine" was adopted on April 17.

Kyiv announced the last mandatory drafting of conscripts into the Ukrainian Army in October, saying that by the end of 2014 the Ukrainian armed forces would be comprised of professional soldiers only.

Ukraine -- which currently has the fifth-largest army in Europe, with 180,000 soldiers -- planned to decrease the total to 122,000 soldiers by 2017.

According to the old law, all male citizens between the ages of 18 and 27 must serve for one year in the national army or for 18 months in the Ukrainian Navy.

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Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:00 | 4718026 HedgeAccordingly
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send in the clowns....

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:02 | 4718030 StacksOnStacks
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Dow +300 tomorrow!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:05 | 4718040 davidalan1
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"They know NOTHING, NOTHING"

"Buy, buy, buy...

 

"my trust fund"

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:10 | 4718056 Looney
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Nice poster! Jay Carney must be ordering one right now for his Communist Posters collection. ;-)

Looney

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:17 | 4718089 James_Cole
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As long as they start the conscriptions with lagarde followed by the war mongers in the us & a. Follow those folks with the entire staff of the fed res, jp morgue and gs. In wars of choice / opportunity the cheerleaders + beneficiaries should be the ones at the front-lines. Oh to dream..

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:17 | 4718094 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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So let me get this straight... an unelected government is forcing its people to give up their lives for its preservation at the urging of the "free" world?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:19 | 4718102 Manthong
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and um.. so a pile of  reluctant conscripts are going to do what 180,000 volunteers are too smart to do?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:23 | 4718279 strannick
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So they cant handle the Russian militias but want to take on Russia itself?

Great Ukraine ZH articles over the last couple of days. Just makes you realize what vicisious sociopaths actually pull the strings.

Nice one Gaius. Unelected, elected, whatever. Oligarchs sending youths to be slaughtered.

Wonder if Soros gets his marching orders from Satan himself, or if he has a go-between..

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:28 | 4718657 jeff montanye
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i'm not sure it's a wise idea to give guns and ammo to those conscripts.  who knows who they'll shoot?

for once i'm glad obama is president.  given his apparent skills, especially relative to putin, this might actually help matters.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:55 | 4719156 PT
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All the better for a more productive defection.

I can see it now.  Russian militant opens up a letter:  "Hey!  I've been drafted.  Free guns and ammo!"

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 05:42 | 4719087 tonyw
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If they don't have enough people to control the militias then they will have fewer with conscription since people need to train the conscripts.

And, do they haev the equipment and logistics for the conscripts?

There's nothing like being conscripted to help people change their mind about the government following the pay freeze & price rises.

 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 09:29 | 4719716 SamAdams
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Jewish oligarchs, put into power by Western banks, send local population to die for bankster power....  This scenario sounds familiar.... Oh yes, WWI and WWII....

Do you think the Ukraine army will be ordered to shoot conscripts which retreat or surrender?  Same shit different century?

"Draft Dodger", an ugly title for an honorable action.

It would seem a draft unrequired if those being drafted were passionate about the cause.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:04 | 4718398 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Great comment on this today from the Saker:

"[W]hat does a conscription look like in a country which is breaking apart?  It looks like a free distribution of firearms.
...
What is the point of creating a conscript army if all it does is increase the numbers of servicemen changing sides and helping the Russian-speakers?
...
The good news is that this kind of lunacy shows that the leaders of the junta in power have completely lost any sense of reality and that every single measure they officially announce with great pomp and earnestness only makes their situation worse."

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/yet-another-totally-crazy-idea...

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:37 | 4718810 Volkodav
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Saker knows stuff....

I rely on a Ukrainy ex Soviet/Rus Airforce warrant officer from Dnipropetrovsk for news..

she is 45 kg, dog handler..the dogs (Alabai) are all 60 kg and more except the Shepherds (East-European) frabout 45-50 kg  These are more powerful than American German Shepherd..

those that appear to be pros in videos from Eastern cities are local vets, ex services, special services, Afgantsys and other all there...more are unseen....these live there or near, protect their families, homes, cities...

others are younger civilian guys with gear confiscated freepay....

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 01:06 | 4718937 Gideonzsword
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Not that I'm from the region Saker but looking at the protestors that's exactly the vibe I got. As a veteran myself I find it hard to believe that many in America don't seem to understand why these men would be pissed and beyond that why they would react so vociferously to the current state of affairs:

Many of them settled in peaceful East Ukraine searching for solace and a way to get over the bitterness of Afghanistan, Chechnya and the collapse of USSR. I personally know what this pain feels like (to fight in a garbage war the politicians didn't let you win). They came to this place and they built something. Now imagine that all of a sudden the "ancient enemy" starts disrespecting you and everything you fought for. Imagine if the people who stomped your country into the ground and took everything from you joined forced with the "ancient enemy" to drive you from your land. Imagine if you were an old Afghan vet and you had one more chance to stand up for your country, with your son at your side to defend it.

What would you do?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:21 | 4718115 Spastica Rex
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I think I read on ZH once that democracy is bad - something about 1,000 sheep and three wolves voting on what's for dinner. But actually, I kinda like mutton.

Anyway - lambs and slaughter and whatnot.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:36 | 4718152 Manthong
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It’s a bitch to be a sheep when the shepherds and their dogs work for the wolves.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:05 | 4718751 Volkodav
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner..

it was more like that....

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:31 | 4718896 Kirk2NCC1701
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re "So let me get this straight... an unelected government is forcing its people to give up their lives for its preservation at the urging of the "free" world?"

A: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep! -Al Delvecchio, Happy Days   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edFocxTsUKI

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:18 | 4718098 john39
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this must be the kiev regime's new "hearts and minds" policy to build support among Ukrainians....    /s

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 09:32 | 4719750 StychoKiller
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We had to destroy the country in order to save the army -- sorry, but the pretzel logic is just too much for me to contemplate here!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:08 | 4718053 Thought Processor
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Seriously, this can only mean new highs from here on out.

 

They're going to run this thing right into the ground with the 'simulated' markets running at full speed.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:00 | 4718224 rtalcott
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damn the torpedoes

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:38 | 4719124 jeff montanye
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yes and no.  one can dam torpedoes for only so long before the cracks in the dam start to leak water.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:08 | 4718055 McMolotov
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The Kiev junta just lost its war before it even began.

"Ha ha!" —Nelson Muntz

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:43 | 4718171 ramacers
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about right.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:51 | 4718202 rbg81
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Sure, send in poorly trained, barely equipped & un-motivated conscripts to face professional soldiers.  

What could go wrong?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:30 | 4718664 jeff montanye
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they get better equipped, motivated and learn from their betters?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 05:36 | 4719086 dreadnaught
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the soldiers they have now are a bunch of bumbling idiots-and they are "Pros"

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:00 | 4718226 SteveNYC
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Conscription? Talk about pushing even more people into the Russia camp. Kiev not occupied by the greatest thinkers......

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:46 | 4718347 whoisonfirst
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I didn't sign up for this. We were supposed to get free "stuff" by jumping in the EU wagon. Hell I just opened a bottle of wine after climbing in. You want me to pull the wagon? Is this Hope and Change BS like Hussein pulled?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:02 | 4718031 newsguy68
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or these clowns....

 

Mexican Military Infiltrating US Thru Underground Tunnels

 

http://survivalbackpack.us/mexican-military-infiltrating-us-thru-undergr...

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:03 | 4718036 HedgeAccordingly
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lol. yeah for real. one guy was WEILDING a stick in one picture from Ukraine 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:07 | 4718045 ApollyonDestroy
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Try Iran and Hezbollah long since strengthening the latin cartels, building much more sophisticated tunnels, funneling endless fighters and their goods into the states. HooverDam bye bye

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:50 | 4718193 john39
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Bibi Netanyahu i presume?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:33 | 4718676 jeff montanye
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to paraphrase emma goldman, if iran and hez ran the cartels, drugs would be legal.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:03 | 4718034 davidalan1
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playing out like a greek tragedy...

 

more selfies please

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:08 | 4718048 Tracerfan
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So Ukrainian children will now be conscripted to fight and die for US/EU/NATO's unelected neo-Nazi regime, and if they refuse, they can be shot or imprisoned?

This is what they call "freedom"?  It is evil.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:09 | 4718057 HedgeAccordingly
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right

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:12 | 4718255 BurningFuld
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Call it the Biden Plan.  Someone should get credit.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:58 | 4718380 Anusocracy
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The Biden the Dust Plan.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:41 | 4719128 jeff montanye
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shovel ready for the dustbin of history

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 07:06 | 4719180 PT
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Does that mean the conscripts will all get shotguns?

 

 

"You don't need an AK ... "
"Just point that barrel out the window and fire off two blasts ..."

 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 04:12 | 4719035 intric8
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IMF money will pay the salaries of these soldiers. Young ukranian and russian soldiers will die! and for what, rothschild and other jewish interests in ukraine? Do these boys even know WHY they fight? Bloody hell!

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:45 | 4719131 jeff montanye
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i'm not sure it's even for their interests in ukraine.  it's just the most handy lever, or so they think, for pushing their interests in other, more important areas elsewhere.  check out george w.'s work on recent u.s. polls refusing more wars.  a few lights are starting to shine.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:18 | 4718096 messystateofaffairs
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No, you quietly accept the conscription then as soon as you are within proximity of the "enemy" and your "side" isn't looking you defect and join the Russians. No need to die for these fucks, much better to just kill them.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:55 | 4718376 Continue With This
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As a Christian, if I'll ever be forced to be in the army and forced to attempt to kill another human being, I'll kill myself rather than kill another human.

 

Better to go to Hell for suicide than murder.


At least, in this case, maybe God would judge things like this: "this poor soul, instead of killing another human to make his life easier, he ended his own even though suicide is a sin. How could I not forgive him and his sacrifice".

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:39 | 4718480 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Then again, in this case, God might say:

"You know, there's a reason I gave you a brain and the ability to discern right from wrong. So what happens? Your commanding officer gives an order to burn down some houses and shoot anyone that tries to escape the fire. That would be wrong, quite wrong. You could have done the right thing and shot him, but you offed yourself instead. What a dumbass. I'll forgive you, but only after you apologize to the people you would have saved. They're the dozen char-broiled kids in line behind you."

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:55 | 4718920 TheMeatTrapper
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@Continue With This

You really need to get your head out of your ass and read the Bible. Seriously.

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