This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Ukraine Admits "Helpless" Against Pro-Russian Forces; Reinstates Military Conscription

Tyler Durden's picture




 

Days after acting Defense Minister Mykhailo Koval warned "the Armed Forces are not ready for this," Ukraine has announced the return of military conscription. After Mr Turchynov admitted his security forces were 'helpless' to quash the pro-Moscow insurgency that has tightened its grip on the increasingly chaotic east of the country, Koval believes "if there were conscripts in military units, then the situation might be different." Of course, this is exactly what the IMF 'demanded' as yet more cities in the East fall to pro-Russian separatists. We can only imagine how pro-Russian 20-23 year old men will feel when they get their call-up papers to fight... against themselves.

 

As NRCU reports,

The Armed Forces of Ukraine could return military conscription, acting Defense Minister Mykhailo Koval has stated. "The army will be professional - this is the future of the Armed Forces. But now the Armed Forces are not ready for this. Therefore we might have to return 21-23-years-old men for a while, and they will serve the state," he told reporters in Kyiv on April 26.

According to Koval, the reckless policy of transition to contract service showed its negative sides, in particular, in Crimea. "If there were conscripts in military units, then the situation might be different," the minister said.In addition, the minister said the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not created a good base for training and life-support of contract soldiers.

And then today, The Daily Mail confirms...

Embattled Ukraine today announced it was bringing back conscription as a mob of some 300 pro-Russian militants seized control of the prosecutor's office in Donetsk after overrunning police.

Coming on the heels of this...

But Mr Turchynov admitted his security forces were 'helpless' to quash the pro-Moscow insurgency that has tightened its grip on the increasingly chaotic east of the country.

And the previous details of the conscription plan...

The Ukrainian parliament has adopted a resolution recommending that acting President Oleksandr Turchynov resume mandatory drafting of conscripts into the country's army.

The resolution "on additional measures for strengthening Ukraine's defense capability in connection with Russia's aggression against Ukraine" was adopted on April 17.

Kyiv announced the last mandatory drafting of conscripts into the Ukrainian Army in October, saying that by the end of 2014 the Ukrainian armed forces would be comprised of professional soldiers only.

Ukraine -- which currently has the fifth-largest army in Europe, with 180,000 soldiers -- planned to decrease the total to 122,000 soldiers by 2017.

According to the old law, all male citizens between the ages of 18 and 27 must serve for one year in the national army or for 18 months in the Ukrainian Navy.

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:00 | 4718026 HedgeAccordingly
HedgeAccordingly's picture

send in the clowns....

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:02 | 4718030 StacksOnStacks
StacksOnStacks's picture

Dow +300 tomorrow!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:05 | 4718040 davidalan1
davidalan1's picture

"They know NOTHING, NOTHING"

"Buy, buy, buy...

 

"my trust fund"

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:10 | 4718056 Looney
Looney's picture

Nice poster! Jay Carney must be ordering one right now for his Communist Posters collection. ;-)

Looney

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:17 | 4718089 James_Cole
James_Cole's picture

As long as they start the conscriptions with lagarde followed by the war mongers in the us & a. Follow those folks with the entire staff of the fed res, jp morgue and gs. In wars of choice / opportunity the cheerleaders + beneficiaries should be the ones at the front-lines. Oh to dream..

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:17 | 4718094 Gaius Frakkin' ...
Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

So let me get this straight... an unelected government is forcing its people to give up their lives for its preservation at the urging of the "free" world?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:19 | 4718102 Manthong
Manthong's picture

and um.. so a pile of  reluctant conscripts are going to do what 180,000 volunteers are too smart to do?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:23 | 4718279 strannick
strannick's picture

So they cant handle the Russian militias but want to take on Russia itself?

Great Ukraine ZH articles over the last couple of days. Just makes you realize what vicisious sociopaths actually pull the strings.

Nice one Gaius. Unelected, elected, whatever. Oligarchs sending youths to be slaughtered.

Wonder if Soros gets his marching orders from Satan himself, or if he has a go-between..

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:28 | 4718657 jeff montanye
jeff montanye's picture

i'm not sure it's a wise idea to give guns and ammo to those conscripts.  who knows who they'll shoot?

for once i'm glad obama is president.  given his apparent skills, especially relative to putin, this might actually help matters.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:55 | 4719156 PT
PT's picture

All the better for a more productive defection.

I can see it now.  Russian militant opens up a letter:  "Hey!  I've been drafted.  Free guns and ammo!"

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 05:42 | 4719087 tonyw
tonyw's picture

If they don't have enough people to control the militias then they will have fewer with conscription since people need to train the conscripts.

And, do they haev the equipment and logistics for the conscripts?

There's nothing like being conscripted to help people change their mind about the government following the pay freeze & price rises.

 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 09:29 | 4719716 SamAdams
SamAdams's picture

Jewish oligarchs, put into power by Western banks, send local population to die for bankster power....  This scenario sounds familiar.... Oh yes, WWI and WWII....

Do you think the Ukraine army will be ordered to shoot conscripts which retreat or surrender?  Same shit different century?

"Draft Dodger", an ugly title for an honorable action.

It would seem a draft unrequired if those being drafted were passionate about the cause.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:04 | 4718398 TheFourthStooge-ing
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

Great comment on this today from the Saker:

"[W]hat does a conscription look like in a country which is breaking apart?  It looks like a free distribution of firearms.
...
What is the point of creating a conscript army if all it does is increase the numbers of servicemen changing sides and helping the Russian-speakers?
...
The good news is that this kind of lunacy shows that the leaders of the junta in power have completely lost any sense of reality and that every single measure they officially announce with great pomp and earnestness only makes their situation worse."

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/yet-another-totally-crazy-idea...

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:37 | 4718810 Volkodav
Volkodav's picture

Saker knows stuff....

I rely on a Ukrainy ex Soviet/Rus Airforce warrant officer from Dnipropetrovsk for news..

she is 45 kg, dog handler..the dogs (Alabai) are all 60 kg and more except the Shepherds (East-European) frabout 45-50 kg  These are more powerful than American German Shepherd..

those that appear to be pros in videos from Eastern cities are local vets, ex services, special services, Afgantsys and other all there...more are unseen....these live there or near, protect their families, homes, cities...

others are younger civilian guys with gear confiscated freepay....

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 01:06 | 4718937 Gideonzsword
Gideonzsword's picture

Not that I'm from the region Saker but looking at the protestors that's exactly the vibe I got. As a veteran myself I find it hard to believe that many in America don't seem to understand why these men would be pissed and beyond that why they would react so vociferously to the current state of affairs:

Many of them settled in peaceful East Ukraine searching for solace and a way to get over the bitterness of Afghanistan, Chechnya and the collapse of USSR. I personally know what this pain feels like (to fight in a garbage war the politicians didn't let you win). They came to this place and they built something. Now imagine that all of a sudden the "ancient enemy" starts disrespecting you and everything you fought for. Imagine if the people who stomped your country into the ground and took everything from you joined forced with the "ancient enemy" to drive you from your land. Imagine if you were an old Afghan vet and you had one more chance to stand up for your country, with your son at your side to defend it.

What would you do?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:21 | 4718115 Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture

I think I read on ZH once that democracy is bad - something about 1,000 sheep and three wolves voting on what's for dinner. But actually, I kinda like mutton.

Anyway - lambs and slaughter and whatnot.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:36 | 4718152 Manthong
Manthong's picture

It’s a bitch to be a sheep when the shepherds and their dogs work for the wolves.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:05 | 4718751 Volkodav
Volkodav's picture

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner..

it was more like that....

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:31 | 4718896 Kirk2NCC1701
Kirk2NCC1701's picture

re "So let me get this straight... an unelected government is forcing its people to give up their lives for its preservation at the urging of the "free" world?"

A: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep! -Al Delvecchio, Happy Days   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edFocxTsUKI

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:18 | 4718098 john39
john39's picture

this must be the kiev regime's new "hearts and minds" policy to build support among Ukrainians....    /s

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 09:32 | 4719750 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

We had to destroy the country in order to save the army -- sorry, but the pretzel logic is just too much for me to contemplate here!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:08 | 4718053 Thought Processor
Thought Processor's picture

 

 

Seriously, this can only mean new highs from here on out.

 

They're going to run this thing right into the ground with the 'simulated' markets running at full speed.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:18 | 4718099 negative rates
negative rates's picture

Full speed ahead, and dam the torpedoes!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:00 | 4718224 rtalcott
rtalcott's picture

damn the torpedoes

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:38 | 4719124 jeff montanye
jeff montanye's picture

yes and no.  one can dam torpedoes for only so long before the cracks in the dam start to leak water.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:08 | 4718055 McMolotov
McMolotov's picture

The Kiev junta just lost its war before it even began.

"Ha ha!" —Nelson Muntz

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:43 | 4718171 ramacers
ramacers's picture

about right.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:17 | 4718090 negative rates
negative rates's picture

Lay low.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:51 | 4718202 rbg81
rbg81's picture

Sure, send in poorly trained, barely equipped & un-motivated conscripts to face professional soldiers.  

What could go wrong?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:30 | 4718664 jeff montanye
jeff montanye's picture

they get better equipped, motivated and learn from their betters?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 05:36 | 4719086 dreadnaught
dreadnaught's picture

the soldiers they have now are a bunch of bumbling idiots-and they are "Pros"

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:00 | 4718226 SteveNYC
SteveNYC's picture

Conscription? Talk about pushing even more people into the Russia camp. Kiev not occupied by the greatest thinkers......

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:46 | 4718347 whoisonfirst
whoisonfirst's picture

I didn't sign up for this. We were supposed to get free "stuff" by jumping in the EU wagon. Hell I just opened a bottle of wine after climbing in. You want me to pull the wagon? Is this Hope and Change BS like Hussein pulled?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:02 | 4718031 newsguy68
newsguy68's picture

or these clowns....

 

Mexican Military Infiltrating US Thru Underground Tunnels

 

http://survivalbackpack.us/mexican-military-infiltrating-us-thru-undergr...

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:03 | 4718036 HedgeAccordingly
HedgeAccordingly's picture

lol. yeah for real. one guy was WEILDING a stick in one picture from Ukraine 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:07 | 4718045 ApollyonDestroy
ApollyonDestroy's picture

Try Iran and Hezbollah long since strengthening the latin cartels, building much more sophisticated tunnels, funneling endless fighters and their goods into the states. HooverDam bye bye

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:50 | 4718193 john39
john39's picture

Bibi Netanyahu i presume?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:33 | 4718676 jeff montanye
jeff montanye's picture

to paraphrase emma goldman, if iran and hez ran the cartels, drugs would be legal.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:20 | 4718110 negative rates
negative rates's picture

We used to call T trench warfare, now they call it underground.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:03 | 4718034 davidalan1
davidalan1's picture

playing out like a greek tragedy...

 

more selfies please

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:08 | 4718048 Tracerfan
Tracerfan's picture

So Ukrainian children will now be conscripted to fight and die for US/EU/NATO's unelected neo-Nazi regime, and if they refuse, they can be shot or imprisoned?

This is what they call "freedom"?  It is evil.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:09 | 4718057 HedgeAccordingly
HedgeAccordingly's picture

right

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:12 | 4718255 BurningFuld
BurningFuld's picture

Call it the Biden Plan.  Someone should get credit.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:58 | 4718380 Anusocracy
Anusocracy's picture

The Biden the Dust Plan.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:41 | 4719128 jeff montanye
jeff montanye's picture

shovel ready for the dustbin of history

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 07:06 | 4719180 PT
PT's picture

Does that mean the conscripts will all get shotguns?

 

 

"You don't need an AK ... "
"Just point that barrel out the window and fire off two blasts ..."

 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 04:12 | 4719035 intric8
intric8's picture

IMF money will pay the salaries of these soldiers. Young ukranian and russian soldiers will die! and for what, rothschild and other jewish interests in ukraine? Do these boys even know WHY they fight? Bloody hell!

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:45 | 4719131 jeff montanye
jeff montanye's picture

i'm not sure it's even for their interests in ukraine.  it's just the most handy lever, or so they think, for pushing their interests in other, more important areas elsewhere.  check out george w.'s work on recent u.s. polls refusing more wars.  a few lights are starting to shine.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:18 | 4718096 messystateofaffairs
messystateofaffairs's picture

No, you quietly accept the conscription then as soon as you are within proximity of the "enemy" and your "side" isn't looking you defect and join the Russians. No need to die for these fucks, much better to just kill them.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:55 | 4718376 Continue With This
Continue With This's picture

As a Christian, if I'll ever be forced to be in the army and forced to attempt to kill another human being, I'll kill myself rather than kill another human.

 

Better to go to Hell for suicide than murder.


At least, in this case, maybe God would judge things like this: "this poor soul, instead of killing another human to make his life easier, he ended his own even though suicide is a sin. How could I not forgive him and his sacrifice".

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:39 | 4718480 TheFourthStooge-ing
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

Then again, in this case, God might say:

"You know, there's a reason I gave you a brain and the ability to discern right from wrong. So what happens? Your commanding officer gives an order to burn down some houses and shoot anyone that tries to escape the fire. That would be wrong, quite wrong. You could have done the right thing and shot him, but you offed yourself instead. What a dumbass. I'll forgive you, but only after you apologize to the people you would have saved. They're the dozen char-broiled kids in line behind you."

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:55 | 4718920 TheMeatTrapper
TheMeatTrapper's picture

@Continue With This

You really need to get your head out of your ass and read the Bible. Seriously.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:41 | 4720940 XitSam
XitSam's picture

The bible can be, and is, twisted to support anything the reader desires. Seriously.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 09:37 | 4719776 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

Yer moniker has it right, Ukraine idjuts gonna suffer a lot of "friendly fire!"

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:45 | 4718176 ramacers
ramacers's picture

about right.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:08 | 4718052 Incubus
Incubus's picture

Atleast the French are smart enough to know the futility of fighting against a superior aggressor.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:16 | 4718087 davidalan1
davidalan1's picture

sorry your sexy arse avi is distracting my attention to your post..

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:07 | 4718245 nmewn
nmewn's picture

Vive Hollande!!!

Yeah, Forward to the Rear!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:42 | 4718333 Poundsand
Poundsand's picture

By superior you mean breathing right?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:12 | 4718069 swmnguy
swmnguy's picture

Once the IMF threatened to cancel the $17B in loans if Ukraine didn't kill 'em some Rooskies, restoring the draft in Ukraine became inevitable.  Apparently arming the soccer hooligans and giving them uniforms and calling them a National Guard hasn't worked well enough to impress either Russia or the Banksters.  So now they'll try press gangs.  No doubt some 20-somethings, armed, dressed in matching soldier outfits and trained for a few days will do much better.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:32 | 4718145 AlaricBalth
AlaricBalth's picture

$17 billion to send the youth of Ukraine to fight and die. We have now discovered how far a country is willing to go to secure a loan. You know the oligarchs will be getting deferments for their sons. Mark Twain was spot on, "The lack of money is the root of all evil."

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:15 | 4718270 BurningFuld
BurningFuld's picture

Well when you consider that amount of money running through the Ukraine to Russia there should be room to funnel off atleast a Billion for the "paper work"....so there is a motive.

However sick.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:14 | 4718078 pvzh
pvzh's picture

I think junta grasping straws. I do not see how conscription will help to suppress rebellion. Conscripts would not want to fight and will desert / defect left and right. Besides, large conscripted army needs to be fed, clothed, and armed, so you need money for that, but junta is broke! Just a clusterfuck.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:38 | 4718161 CrashisOptimistic
CrashisOptimistic's picture

A significant question would be:

Did the IMF have this extra salary expense in its spreadsheets?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:53 | 4718206 pvzh
pvzh's picture

They might, but I doubt that. Realistically, drafting like 200,000 at a cost $300 / month (assuming very modest food, some clothing, few rounds for practice, paying bills for barracks) would result in 200,000 x $300 x 12 = $720,000,000 year, but that just cost of keeping them in barracks. To move them into action, you would need assault rifles (I believe Soviet Stockpiles were sold long time ago), lots of rounds of ammo, fuel, APCs or at least trucks, and all kinds of replacements for things that used up or breaks down. Most Ukrainian equipment is sold already, so putting these men in action would be like $5,000-$10,000 a head at one time expenses in new weapons and training and at least 300 / month a head for all battle related stuff. $720,000,000 x 2 + $7,500 * 200,000 = ca. $3 billion.

So, IMF might foot the bill (hypothetically), but I doubt that such expenses are under their mandate.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:15 | 4718082 Dewey Cheatum Howe
Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

This could backfire spectacularly if they do decide to join and then when it comes time to fight just turn the weapons on current government. They can't control that without outside forces running the army with enough mercenaries to keep them in line. If the empire gets caught doing that it opens up Russia to bring in their people....

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 20:36 | 4718214 pvzh
pvzh's picture

In the case of conscript army, it definitely will not fight Russian regular army. People are not that stupid, and they have nothing to defend.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:17 | 4718091 nah
nah's picture

Ukraine is 1/3 the size of Russia, with sanctions they might be able to organize and resist colonialism.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:19 | 4718101 Mine Is Bigger
Mine Is Bigger's picture

Interesting.  There is supposed to be a presidential election in three weeks or so.  The Kiev regime must be somehow confident it will be victorious or does not expect the election to be held because reinstating conscription now won't mean much unless it will still be in power after the election.  But I was under the impression that they do not have sufficient nationwide support to win.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:32 | 4718132 Dewey Cheatum Howe
Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-30/peoples-republic-donetsk-unveil...

If they vote yes you can expect quite a few anti-regime votes will be off the table come May 25th. If I didn't know better they are doing it on purpose so they can totally pin this mess completely on the current government by ensuring they win the Presidental vote or decisively lose it in the western oblasts without being able to blame those eastern oblasts with being the reason for them losing the elections then screaming voter fraud, etc...

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:30 | 4718140 The_Prisoner
The_Prisoner's picture

Of course they will be victorious in the election. Any opposition is being prevented from running.

And if it still fails, you can count on the US to declare their man won. Just like they did with Karzai in Afghanistan 2009, or Florida in 2004.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:48 | 4718166 JuliaS
JuliaS's picture

Donetsk referendum is scheduled for May 11. There'll likely be a push before then to try and prevent it. Lugansk is already on board. Crimea is still cut off from the mainland, but all the neighboring cities - Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Krivy Rih sympathize with Russia. They are the "swing states". It'll be a slow crawl.

The pro-Russian resistance is a mobile front, but they are relatively small. They cannot both, protect annexed areas and move on. What they need is to keep handing over annexed areas to Russian troops and then moving on to supply so called "local majorities" to areas that might succumb to Western pressures otherwise.

It's not a clean game, but neither side is playing fair... as far as I'm concerned, regardless of the situation - it's none of our business.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:24 | 4718122 TammanyBrawl
TammanyBrawl's picture

Geez, can this be dragged out any longer?
Somebody just assassinate Archduke Franz Ferdinand and let's get on with this.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:27 | 4718129 markar
markar's picture

Constription should do wonders for stability in Kiev, where the youth thought the coup was their free pass into the EU.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:28 | 4718133 messystateofaffairs
messystateofaffairs's picture

When this thing gets hot Putin should just take as much of the Ukraine as he wants and leave the Nazi's, jews, and EU wannabe freeloader suckers in the unwanted sections to work out a good life for themselves.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:28 | 4718135 ndb
ndb's picture

My favorite anti-war song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDbeqj-1XOo

It really is Us and Them.....

 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:29 | 4718138 Rican
Rican's picture

Your COUNTRY needs YOU! (to die for the oligarchs) 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:30 | 4718139 Seek_Truth
Seek_Truth's picture

The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.

-Albert Camus

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:31 | 4718143 Continue With This
Continue With This's picture

In Romania, the government have yesterday made public the new forms that young males aged 18-35 will need to have in case a general draft is called by the Army.

I believe war is coming. Ukraine is the european Syria. And the conflict will spill into Romania and Poland. As the syrian conflict will spill into Turkey.

 

The powers that be want this.

They need worldwide chaos and war and destruction so that their god, the AntiChrist can make an appearance and trick the whole world to submit to him. All is being done to allow the Deceiver to introduce himself onto the world stage.

The majority of Romanians though say they will not fight for NATO zionist scumbags. The free mason puppets in charge of Romania can print all the forms they want, Romanians will not fight for NATO.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:36 | 4718158 Schaublin
Schaublin's picture

The present army command is not answering the phone to Kiev - and even if they did, the junior officers and men are not inclined to obey any orders to murder their own people. "Special units" will need to be recruited and armed - directly from Tel Aviv and Washington.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:52 | 4718174 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

This started making the rounds late yesterday and it's fantastic news.

Looks like Chevron and the CANVAS gang lost big time!... At least for the time being.

Been hearing the rumblings for awhile from the likes of Charlie Rangel in Congress among others and this is why something like this would have to happen and probably will given the desperation of the banks!  They better fucking watch out when they launch the next Casus Belli cause there are too many (outside and inside) that got it covered this time.

Whenever Wolf Blitzer starts sniffing around offering clues from Tony Blair on his concern of another 9/11 event taking place you know something is in the works!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:54 | 4718208 Continue With This
Continue With This's picture

I suspect an assassination attempt on a NATO leader and blamed on Russia.

Or a nuke in NY/San Francisco and blame it on Russia.

 

That Malaysian plane has to be something important. The fact that CNN was on the story for weeks means they publicly want to inform their side to stay away from where the fuck the nuke will be denonated.

 

That's how this masonic satanic zionists operate and communicate: they hide in plain view and use  movies/songs/news to send messages to others on their side.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:01 | 4718228 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Agreed.

Congress has been slowly ratcheting up the rhetoric for an all aboard campaign to bring back a draft in the U.S. but they know they can't do it without an "unsettling happening" at this point with the piggy bank on life support.

They also are keenly aware that with the refusal to investigate the facts 13 years ago they might just be on the menu this time if they do another big one to rally the troops!...

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:00 | 4718545 james.connolly
james.connolly's picture

The US-MIL doesn't want the DRAFT, the economy given what it is there are ton's of "VOLUNTEERS", and the MIL can pick and choose.

A return to the DRAFT means the MIL has people that they don't want, ...

You guys really ought talk to some MIL people,

The US-MIL want's MEN, they don't want a UNICORN ARMY, don't worry Unicorn's your NOT going to be drafted.

Given INFINITE FREE FIAT the MIL can HIRE an infinite number of CONTRACTOR's to get work done.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:26 | 4718775 Son of Captain Nemo
Son of Captain Nemo's picture

j.c

My but you're a riot brother!...

I don't even want to ask if you are active duty or NG at this point with a statement like that one.  But if you are I know the meds must be workin!!!

Given the issue of our continued debt to equity problems and the fact that we have a self-imposed Au shortage and oil is being "fracked" in order to sell Western Europe on the idea that we are again the Worlds largest producer without a means for transporting it through a pipeline like that neighbor of Ukraine's not to mention that our jobs outlook is on the decline since we've outsourced the majority of our manufacturing to Asia it's gettin increasingly difficult to expense moar adventures when you have 20% of the American population the dole...

How many tours have most of our active duty been involved in with the rank of Captain, Major, Sargeant in the last 10 years?....

Yeah thought so.  Morale must be flying high with pictures like these!  Sure hope it's changed since last year...

You rest up j.c. because if you are military you got your work cut out for you should we go dancing with the bear in his woods!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 19:50 | 4718200 Infinite QE
Infinite QE's picture

Send the lazy freeloading Israeli punks. Won't be as easy as shooting Palestinian children in the back.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:14 | 4718425 The_Prisoner
The_Prisoner's picture

They won't fight anyone who will shoot back.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:16 | 4718210 socalbeach
socalbeach's picture

Got to love the choice of words. Saw the same thing under a Yahoo headline. Pro-Russian separatists would have been more objective.

.

'And then today, The Daily Mail confirms...

"Embattled Ukraine today announced it was bringing back conscription as a mob of some 300 pro-Russian militants seized control of the prosecutor's office in Donetsk after overrunning police."'

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:20 | 4718281 Father Lucifer
Father Lucifer's picture

Take this gun and go shoot your families who live in the east. Yea this is gonna work out well.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:55 | 4718377 novictim
novictim's picture

Apparenly you are unaware of the US Civil War.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 20:54 | 4718357 novictim
novictim's picture

Interesting to note that Latvia recently blocked entry/Visa of the Russian Orthodox Patriarch to Latvia over fears surrounding the Patriarch's DISGUSTING enabling of Vladimir Putin and his Cult of Personality. 

This conflict is bigger than just the Russian thuggery in East Ukraine.   Finally, Europe has woken up to the threat of both Russia and its gangster-diaspora and is preparing for the SMACK DOWN.

Go for it EUROPA!  Russia is no longer the simpering, weak, destitute charity case it has been for the past 2 decades.

 Now, cash in pocket, flush with hubris and a paranoid sense of entitlement, the Russians are biting the hand that lifted them.

Russia, easily manipulated by the Strong Man, has shifted their hatred to their neighbors rather than to the current Russian leadership who have direct pedigree to their former oppressors.  Russians, like spoiled orphan sociopaths who finally win some inheritance, turns on the only people who aided them since 1991.

Russia is SHAMELESS.  And now they will be put down.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:06 | 4718414 The_Prisoner
The_Prisoner's picture

I noticed zionists like you seem to exhibit serious psychological projection, or at least use it as an unsophisticated form of sophistry. I cannot tell which, as you are known for your deceitfulness.

In case it is a genuine affliction, look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

You are guilty of everything you accuse Russia and Putin of doing. So I would be careful about espousing a "final" solution, and remember how it fest when you were in the receiving end of it last time.

 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 01:08 | 4718941 TheMeatTrapper
TheMeatTrapper's picture

@The_Prisoner

You make a very astute, and well stated observation. 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 05:30 | 4719083 dreadnaught
dreadnaught's picture

simple -most of them where hiding in the cellar when the brains where passed out

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 10:29 | 4720003 novictim
novictim's picture

I see your diagnosis and raise you one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_schizophrenia

---

"I cannot tell which, as you are known for your deceitfulness."

You cannot tell?!  Who do you have working on my dossier?  Is it one of those clowns from the FSB or are you just stupid?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:13 | 4718422 socalbeach
socalbeach's picture

You have potential talent as a writer - of fiction.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 10:24 | 4719971 novictim
novictim's picture

Didn't you use that one just the other day?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 05:29 | 4719081 dreadnaught
dreadnaught's picture

the latest news says youre wrong....ukriane is losing

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:48 | 4718374 Dr. Engali
Dr. Engali's picture

Imagine you're a typical Ukraine citizen. All you want to do is tend to your family and mind your own business. Suddenly your government is overthrown with the help a certain alphabet agency from the U.S. After the illegal government establishes itself your cost of living on everything you need starts to rise. Along come some bankers and say"sure we'll help with 17 billion dollars all you have to do is fight your own citizens". Your illegal government then tells you that you have to send your sons and daughters to die for the bankers. WTF would you do? I know what I would do.

The world needs to wake up to these shadow banker fucks before they kill us all.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:09 | 4718399 Paracelsus
Paracelsus's picture

Yup,a big mess.And Yup,large false flag somewheres,Capital city,etc.

One thing I never understood was why the USA gave sanctuary to all the neo-nazis and torturers from around the planet.I have often wondered about these fellows bumping into their victims at the local foodstore. Certainly a Jerry Springer type moment....

Anyhow if the SHTF in Kiev you can bet the Merc's and Neo's will be hoofing it to the airport to find a safe refuge (and Swiss account) somewhere.

Lessee,Hmmm,Marcos-check,Pinochet-check,Shah of Iran and art collection-check.

Eastern European fascists retreating with the Germans in ww2 (gave the Cossacks back,blame the Brits) -check.Import German Aerospace Engineers,Von Braun,etc.bypassing immigration controls (Operation Paperclip)-check.Train torturers for Latin America at Ft. Benning,and in Panama-check. Vatican assisting wanted SS war criminals to obtain false documents and passage to South America at close of ww2-check 

Spreading that freedom and democracy...

One thing the merc's want to watch out for.No Geneva convention for merc's.

Long term rumors of merc's being executed in the Falklands Island conflict.Not so nice finding someone from your hometown has been shooting at you and your mates.

I know times are tough,but if I was mercing I would give this a miss. 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 05:28 | 4719079 dreadnaught
dreadnaught's picture

Operation Paper Clip   Google it

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:26 | 4718453 kchrisc
kchrisc's picture

Conscription, the reason that it's "for the children," as in the future, when they're older, children can tote guns for them .

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 21:37 | 4718479 james.connolly
james.connolly's picture

PUTIN Say's ZH is CIA ...

Putin say's that Google is a company created by the CIA, a product of the US-MIL SPY State

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPJzkeIVHnI

Putin Say's that ZH collects Nickels from GOOGLE(CIA), and that makes ZH a GOOGLE-CIA bitch.

Do we love PUTIN?

 

Google is a 'CIA project' says President Putin | euronews, world news www.euronews.com/2014/.../google-is-a-cia-project-says-president-putin/

World news - Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged people not to use the Google search engine,

ZH is 100% a GOOGLE site, with every GOOGLE SPY gadget known to mankind activated, ZH is a CIA trojan-horse, ... who could have guessed? Why is it NOT Obama telling us this? Why is this coming from PUTIN?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:10 | 4718585 VWAndy
VWAndy's picture

As if we didnt know?

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:22 | 4718776 james.connolly
james.connolly's picture

Obama is the Pee Wee Herman of our times,

PUTIN is  the Teddy Roosevelt of our times.

TR said "Speak softly, but carry a big stick", ... "speak the truth"

Pee Wee carry's on like a girl, ...

The time will come that ALT media, means going to PUTIN for TRUTH, and turning off your MSM in the USA, being bored of lies.

The truth may have fell out of FASHION in the USA, ... but its telling that its working for PUTIN, and making him the MOST powerful man on earth, now in his second year.

>>>

Lastly, GOOGLE was first rounnd FINANCED by CIA, so yes PUTINi is 100% correct "GOOGLE IS A CIA PROJECT", Given that ZH sucks the GOOGLE TEAT, then it must be said that ZH sucks the CIA cock.

Friends don't let friends use GOOGLE. ZH is 100% Google Spy Gadgets all ENABLED.

 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 01:11 | 4718946 TheMeatTrapper
TheMeatTrapper's picture

The door is over there. Don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out. 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:00 | 4718739 Aussiekiwi
Aussiekiwi's picture

WHAT!!!....I take back everything I have said, I love the NSA and the CIA, I'm sure they are just looking after our interests, God bless every one of them, and Obama what a guy!, when we don't know what is good for us it gives me a warm feeling knowing that his benevolent guidance is there to point out my errors.  I'm humming the American anthem as I type this, as I do every morning and night.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:11 | 4718762 GoldenTool
GoldenTool's picture

If you haven't figured it out on your own then not sure what to tell you.

ZH is an amusing suckers bet.  Some good some bad the original intent was subverted long ago.

If you read between the lines you could still make some bank, if your balls are big enough...

Other wise it is good for fast non-main stream news and swarmy comments to laugh about.

"quod me nutrit me destruit"

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:25 | 4718782 james.connolly
james.connolly's picture

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeze we have had this discussion many a time here, in every case had you invested per the ZH logic, you would have lost.

Let's take 5+ year history

1.) gold to infinity NOT

2.) USD to die, NOT

3.) Stock Market Collapse, NOT

You can call ZH many a thing, but a source of 'investment advice" NOT, ...

Here I will give you a tip, since you brouth it up, keep money in HKD in, they're tied to the USD, and the day the USD dies, they will become YUAN, the night before, its the only 100% safe bet on the planet, now there is truth you can BANK on.

 

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:04 | 4718561 tony bonn
tony bonn's picture

the hogwash from ukraine is just cover for following cia terrorist john brennan's orders to attack

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:28 | 4718658 f16hoser
f16hoser's picture

Now we get to see if little "Nazi-Boy" want's to fight or piss his pants!!!

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:42 | 4718689 bcil
bcil's picture

Ukraine has the most pathetic government I have ever seen.  The entire government has had lobotomies.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 23:03 | 4718746 Aussiekiwi
Aussiekiwi's picture

I was watching some presentation the new Ukrainian PM was doing in his suit, strange he seemed awkward wearing a suit, I kept getting the image that he would be more comfortable in Jeans and boots, I would like to see what tats he has, I think that would be very educational.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:38 | 4718691 Psquared
Psquared's picture

Maybe they could ask Romania if they can clone Vlad III, the Impaler. He sure ran the Ottoman Turks off. (Or ran them through!)

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:47 | 4718709 junction
junction's picture

The Ukranian government has gone from denial of service attacks from Anonymous in 2012 to anonymous Russian military attacks in 2014.  Those in charge in the Ukraine can't do anything right.     

Demonoid takedown prompts attacks by Anonymous The US suggested Demonoid used to be one of the 300 most visited websites in the States Members of the Anonymous hacktivist community have attacked websites belonging to the Ukrainian authorities after Demonoid was forced offline.

The BitTorrent link tracker's internet service provider (ISP) took it offline after being contacted by law enforcement officers.

The US had previously alleged Demonoid was one of the most visited sites used to share pirated content.

Many of its visitors are now concerned their activities may be exposed.

Demonoid's site became unavailable last week, but news of the authorities' involvement only emerged after an article in the local newspaper Kommersant on Monday.

It reported that investigators had visited Colocall's offices, copied data from its servers and sealed off some of its equipment.

Colocall confirmed it had received "several requests" from the authorities, but told the BBC "the decision to terminate the contract with Demonoid has been made without participation of the Ministry".

It would not be drawn on the reason for the action beyond saying there had been a "combination of factors" and "too many issues for a single customer".

It has also emerged that officers at Ukraine's Division of Economic Crimes only acted after being contacted by Interpol.

The international police organisation told the BBC it had passed on a request from the Mexican authorities who had been carrying out their own criminal investigation.

A spokeswoman added that Interpol itself had no further involvement at this stage.

Thu, 05/01/2014 - 22:52 | 4718720 Bagbalm
Bagbalm's picture

They may report and stick around until they get issued weapons...

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:01 | 4718850 AdvancingTime
AdvancingTime's picture

What is happening in Ukraine and the unrest in many areas in the world brings into focus the many conflicts that develop when a region decides to change governments often outside the recognized democratic system of voting. In some cases even after an overwhelming vote such as in Crimea the whole process is called into question.

Unfortunately the American civil war did not resolve the issue of succession forever and definitely was not a template for a solution that should be used in countries across the planet. Bottom-line is many political leaders are slow to give up control and this will not change. For more on this important issue see the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-issue-of-sovereign-borders.ht...

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 00:27 | 4718891 german Wunderkind
german Wunderkind's picture

y draft the young russians from the east, they will shoot at older russians.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 05:24 | 4719076 dreadnaught
dreadnaught's picture

after seeing a couple of videos on the Ukraine Army.....Russia has nothing to fear.......bumbling idiots, drinking parties on roving on-duty tanks   and more lol

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 06:19 | 4719106 luckylongshot
luckylongshot's picture

Sadly noone explained how this might make things different.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 07:29 | 4719224 jughead
jughead's picture

How just can a cause or government be if they have to enslave people to fight for it?

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!