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When Nations Go Broke: Mob Justice
Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,
It was a scene just like out of the Wild West.
18-year-old David Moreyra had stolen a purse. And an angry mob gathered in broad daylight in Rosario, Argentina to lynch him.
It turns out that ‘mob justice’ is on the rise in Argentina, and Mr. Moreyra’s death was just one of more than a dozen recent instances.
Hundreds of years ago during the Age of Enlightenment, liberty-minded philosophers argued that governments could only derive their authority to govern by receiving consent of the governed.
And that the people would have to voluntarily surrender some of their freedoms to government in exchange for certain services (and protection of their other freedoms).
This idea has become twisted and mutated over time.
These days, the prevailing model is that [some] people pay taxes, and in exchange the government maintains a monopoly over a number of public services.
Security is one obvious example since, for most people, the local police force maintains a monopoly over citizen security.
Any high school economics student can tell you that most monopolies are terribly inefficient.
Yet this is what people have been indoctrinated to believe—that they need the government to protect them. And they’re willing to pay ever-increasing taxes to ensure the government can provide it.
In many cities and countries across the world, they’re even willing to give up their right to bear arms… to give up some personal freedom… in exchange for the government providing a generally inefficient service.
All of this is part of the modern social contract. And when nations go broke, this social contract breaks down.
Many of the public services that government has promised get curtailed, or cut entirely.
The people have held up their end of the bargain. They’ve traded in their freedoms and their income in exchange for services. But the government hasn’t held up theirs.
And because the government has a monopoly on many of these services, suddenly people find themselves without something they have come to depend on.
This is precisely what has happened in Argentina. As the economy continues to struggle from an absurd level of money printing, unemployment and inflation are both painfully high.
Many Argentines are desperate. Crime rates have soared. But the police are utterly worthless.
Once peaceful citizens have been driven to desperation as a result. They’re afraid… and they’re taking matters into their own hands, roaming the streets in lynch gangs.
This isn’t some neighborhood watch or citizen justice program.
They form these gangs out of desperation, signalling that Argentina’s social contract has completely disintegrated.
It’s a rather unfortunate regression for a society. Civilized people don’t form angry mobs to act as judge, jury, and executioner.
As I’ve long-written, there are consequences to destructive economic policy.
Central bankers cannot conjure infinite quantities of currency out of thin air, nor can politicians borrow more money just to pay interest on what they’ve already borrowed, all without consequence.
This is one of those consequences—a complete breakdown of the social contract, giving rise to something so Medieval as lynch gangs and mob justice.
Can it happen where you live? Maybe. No nation is immune to the social effects of economic decay (think Detroit, or even New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina…).
When every shred of data suggests that major western economies are decaying rapidly under the weight of excessive debt and paper currency, it’s foolish to presume that ‘it can’t happen here’.
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Think primitive tribal people if you want to understand mobs; any live near you? then you know the answer.
Except tribes frown on intra-tribal violence - for survival and familial reasons.
They are forced to accept violence from the dominants though.
And of course tribal warfare is just monkey warfare for H. sapiens.
Russia now an adversary, NATO official says
WASHINGTON -- After two decades of trying to build a partnership with Russia, the NATO alliance now feels compelled to start treating Moscow as an adversary, the second-ranking official of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization said Thursday.
"Clearly the Russians have declared NATO as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner," said Alexander Vershbow, the deputy secretary-general of NATO.
Vershbow argued that Russia has violated its part of that agreement by its actions in Ukraine, and thus, "we would be within our rights now" to set aside the 1997 commitment by permanently stationing substantial numbers of combat troops in Poland or other NATO member nations in Eastern Europe. He said that question will be considered by leaders of NATO nations over the summer.
Guess what is next?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-now-an-adversary-nato-official-says/
Just stop being mad all the time.
"Guess what is next?"
Since the Ukrainian/IMF government is now calling for conscription it's probably not peace...
www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QqQIwAA&u...
Tune your weapons and your body. The party will be starting eventually.
Why does Simon act as if there's consequences for the banksters?
Does that civilized behavior and human respect thing apply to stringing up bankers?
And I heard some banker claimed to be doing God’s work.
So is it fitting and just that he be sainted or deified by crucifixion?
Maybe Ukrainians will skip the draft and go to Canada?
Not a bad idea actually...
Not as easy as it was during the Vietnam war.
From 2009.
If they have to conscript troops, they've already lost. It means there isn't nearly enough popular support among ordinary Ukrainians.
Judging by the high level of defections of Ukrainian forces sent to the East to quell the uprisings to date... they might be wise not to give the new conscripts weapons they don't want to lose...
Depends on what the Vodka allotment is...if they sign up or not...a bottle a day keeps the Ruskies away...
There isn't any support amongst ordinary Ukrainians. That's why I believe the whole thing will expire and resolve into a comic farce. Insofar as they have troops they're just waiting for "contact" so they can surrender. Nobody wants to get shot for a "President" that came from a street mob. It's just a sham.
There is also a generational divide. The younger ones like the Western entertainment culture. The older folks are becoming nostalgic for the "good ole days".
They just want to be left in peace with good relations with both countries and as much independance for themselves as they can get.
The neoNazis/IMF however will not let that happen. And hardship for all is just around the corner and that is when shit is really going to heat up unless cooler heads appear on the scene...
They may just vote to rejoin Russia.
I joined a certain organization years ago, USA. After decades I had to admit that "We used to understand the commies were not our friends, they spy on us, put out their propoganda, now evidently we borrow money from them."
Good to see the universe make sense again.
Yes Putin apologists, fuck you.
stupid fucking argentinian twats. lynch some stupid kid over a purse when banks are robbing them daily. fucking assholes.
their steaks are, however, quite tasty.
.... it's a start... takes time to work ur way to the top..... patience....
You're right, it is far better to spend >$100,000 per year of taxpayer's money to send that kid to a prison, where he can live off of his victims.
I'm not a Putin Apologist; I'm an enthusiastic supporter. And you're lost in the past.
Putin's the closest thing to a Christian in this.
Make quite sure the 'COMMIES' you abhor do not live next to you (or in the same country)...
I now expect Russia to station substantial numbers of combat troops in Mexico.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, RIGHT???
(And, yes, I'm yelling.)
Cártel de Sinaloa + Vlad... Ouch
Yes, that would be painful. Probably can't happen, though, since the Sinaloa Cartel is already partnered with HSBC.
Yes but Putin has Russian women as incentive
Good point. In foreign policy, the coochie factor should never be underestimated.
bring it. May the Russian troops straighten 'em out so we(USA) can annex Mexico when all's done with. They think the Afghans were tough, Pepe Lopez is a bitch.
you're nuts, you know.
This is where individual beliefs, creeds and loyalties become extremely important to your survival and society.
Be sure you truly know what and why you are doing
For without wisdom is savagery.
We are tested again.
Prove chaos wrong
Else it will prove you wrong.
minus the poo flinging
Add that to the fact that criminals no longer spend much time in jail(and forget about murderers getting executed). It's no wonder Stand Your Ground laws are popping up everywhere. The gov. hasn't done it's job(with the exception of 3 strikes laws) for 40 years.
It nearly did happen in my neck of the woods last month. Cops shoot a camper, protesters show up, get unruly, and in one instance, had a couple of cops cornered in their car and beat the shit out of their car.
Too bad for the cop car.... an innocent bystander....
The taxpayers own the "cop"car.
i feel the urge to share these bombs of reason here:
Message to Police
http://youtu.be/IOsN-P5abVg
Heroes … Not (a moral examination of the people who become policeman (or soldiers) in a statist society)
http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/09/29/heroes-not/
Leaders and Enforcers: Where does the blame belong?
http://libertarianmoney.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/leaders-and-enforcers-w...
When Should You Shoot a Cop?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ9w1HHRMQw
Shooting Cops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjDHQ16MyKY
Why don't these mobs ever get the real "perps"? Come on, get organized people.
Ideally, a civilized society would excommunicate its evil-doers.
So, maybe it means a lack of enough civilized people.
awsofPhysics Why don't these mobs ever get the real "perps"? Come on, get organized people.
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Until those mobs are after you because you have more then them, like food?
Three cheers for the "uncivilized" mob punishing the damn thief who in likelihood gotten away with his crime just like in the USSA... a lot of corrupt capitalist thieves and politicians might stand a dose of that or two, maybe..... while they live their grand imperial isolated lifestyles at mostly the expense of tax paying US citizen serfs and peasants...
That's right, Simon. Civilized people just sit there and take it up the ass - because civilized people would never rebel against illegitimate or corrupt-to-the-core authority.
Great comment.
Civilized people take action against evil and corruption. Perhaps Simon needs some civil action upon him
Indeed. On this boat the passengers are coached to keep serving drinks and playing music while the captain packs his bags and quietly escorts himself to the lifeboats.
As if there is any other kind.
that's a strawman. he said that to lynch mob someone young on spot for allegedly stealing a purse is something that civilized people should outgrow. due process is not something silly to be dismissed, and it has nothing to do with the residing corrupt ruling elite and the treatment they deserve (except that the due process applies to them also).
Civilized people don’t form angry mobs to act as judge, jury, and executioner.
I don't see where this statement is limited to purse snatchers in the above article, do you? Due process is easily dismissed if due process is defined and controlled by the residing corrupt ruling elite; see Patriot Act I and II, along with their multiple re-authorizations and extensions so you can learn how due process applies only to the residing corrupt ruling elite - and not to you or me.
And then tell me, in what civilized manner are such criminal parasites removed in the absence of due process? Hint:
Civilized people form angry mobs to act as judge, jury, and executioner.
Or, there's this approach:
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another..."
The big difference between the US and many of these countries is that there are firearms laying around all over the place.
When we "decay", it's gonna get bad, fast.
Yuppers. Once that first shot is fired, either into an angry mob, or by that angry mob, the potential is there for it to ignite into a full scale civil war, and quickly. 50 years ago, there was still hope of a brighter future. Now, there is not. Without that hope, people are going to have a lot more of a feeling that there is little left to lose, and a lot to gain.
Im really sorry to tell you this; but there's one little word that makes it all impossible it's AIRPOWER. ever since WW11 airsupremacy has made the quality and ability of ground troops meaningless. Even the SS Panzer Divisions broke and ran when the skys only contained russian airplanes. it just doesn't work.
True- but who's flying? The BLM? Homeland? No chance. You're talking about the military and that's where it gets fuzzy. Those folks are not going to be laying down 2000 lb. bombs on civilians.
The civil servants in congress are going to wake up one morning to find one of their own hanging off of a bridge somewhere. That is not a threat for the NSA pukes to twerk over, but rather a promise of what's to come if the people who raised that right hand and swore to the constitution don't right the ship quickly once it all starts coming undone.
And where will they be flying out of, Nicaragua?
All the pilots have families, take a big army to protect them all.
+1000.
Forward (over the cliff)!
One word:
drones
Air-power hasn't worked so well in Iraq or Afghanistan. This will be a guerilla war on the streets. No place to hide..
Yeah, sure worked well in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... Those wars were all fucking cakewalks and unqualified successes thanks to airpower.
Yeah and any Chair Force depends upon a massive logistics chain. How's that Air Power working out for Syrian government when the rebels overrun the air bases? You might recall that planes have to land after an hour or two to regas and rearm.
I would agree but at the rate gun free zones are being declared with signs posted, most of the country will be safe from that kind of violence in the not-too-distance future.
LMFAO
Lock n load.... melt all your silver into bullets...... Hi Yo, Ag!!! Away!!!
"18-year-old David Moreyra had stolen a purse. And an angry mob gathered in broad daylight in Rosario, Argentina to lynch him."
Need signs to all the gated communites such as the Hamptons when it happens in the US.
What for? To steal their big screen TVs so you can watch the shit go down in widescreen?
It can happen anywhere there are vicious ape cousins, a.k.a. "people".
And sometimes, it needs to happen, especially with corrupt politicians and bankers.
That's what the safety net is for, to keep the trash-class happy. With enough near food, porn, sports, and some bling they'll be happy as clams.
What's good for the indivual is bad for the whole and vice versa.
Individuals do well if they save money and stay out of debt - but that is bad for the whole. The whole does well if everyone spends money and goes into debt - but that's bad for the individuals who make up the whole.
So, what you end up with is more of a "predicament" than an "economy."
If the world were just as black and white as you depict, then yes. But unfortunately we deal in shades of gray.
Somewhere in the middle lies the balance. Debt is an important part of the equation, and a positive one I might add. It's what allows you to live in a "home" that you could otherwise not afford to pay in one lump sum. Same thing with a car payment or lease. A more efficient and more affordable vehicle can be made available through financing which allows you to get from one place to another more safely and securely than if you had to buy something older or outdated. These are "positive" debt attributes.
But the model only works when the system is free-market based. That is, when savings rates can effectively rise to draw in needed capital it rewards savers AND brings balance to the system. Unfortunately, because the system is rigged to draw all capital into the speculator's arena just to help service debt payment and ceate the illusion of stability- we have already lost. What reemerges in the aftermath of the collapse must be real and honest- built on free market principles. The world must operate where one can provide a good or service to another and both sides go away feeling not only satisfied with the arraingment but fulfilled. Unfortunately this requires honesty, intergrity, and most importantly education on the part of both the service provider and the consumer. One way or another government must be removed from the equation to allow parties to operate freely in a business construct. My guess is they won't ever be removed voluntarily- so it will be up to free people everywhere to decide how to proceed from this point in history. I wish it could be debated peacefully, but it just won't be. And that is sad.
General point well taken. I'd just say, I'd rather pay $20k for a house from savings than $200k for a house via debt, which is what you get when everyone is competing to buy homes based on their monthly debt payment with 0% down instead of with saved up capital. Debt as a whole drives up prices on assets for everyone. Great for people who already own assets. Terrible for people who are just starting out in life.
I'd say there's not much "positive" to debt for individuals, even things normally considered "good" debt, other than perhaps starting a business or bridging monthly expenses and payments from customers.
I agree with you. If only there were $20K houses... :)
Hey man, take your blinders off for a bit. If there were not easy credit and the policy of debt begetting money, there would be lots of $20,000 houses. In fact there would be damned few selling for more than that with the wage structure in place today. I'm sure that too went right over your head. Ok you can put your sheep costume back on and jump back into the obammer fold.
"Debt is an important part of the equation, and a positive one I might add. It's what allows you to live in a "home" that you could otherwise not afford to pay in one lump sum."
Fuck off, where do they get the money to loan the "debt" to people? There would not be a debt based economy if those fuckers where not just printing money out of nothing, pushing prices away from it's natural metric of human labor. It is theft by any other name.
"They" save it. Geez.
You don't need fractional reserve banking, federal money printing, or even a bank to lend your money to someone else in return for interest. In fact, there's a booming market in the UK for peer-to-peer lending schemes; look up Funding Circle, Zopa, and many others.
Coming to a (U.S.) city near you....
A cynical person might think they were doing this on purpose to create chaos and fear. But none of us are cynical right?
Edit: BTW Simon, this is going global so your ranch in Chile is subject to the chaos too.
We may be resuming the debate we had the other evening on the merits of anarchism in a very real way soon...
We may not be debating it. We may be experiencing it, whether we like it or not.
Time to put theory to practice.
Are you confusing Chaos with Anarchy?
Chile? Dated 2012:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=153_1346424029
You're wrong. Chile is not Venezuela. Do your homework.
It’s a rather unfortunate regression for a society. Civilized people don’t form angry mobs to act as judge, jury, and executioner.
Of course they don't. Civilized people sit idly while their governments enforce discriminatory laws to punish victimless crimes. Then these civilized people conveniently ignore the horrific human and moral costs to their fellow citizens at the hands of the prison industrial complex. How exactly are they any better than the mob? At least the mob gets its hands dirty. The civilized police state resident ignores the horror while waiting for his Netflix to buffer...
When gummint becomes corrupt, organize! Support your local vigilante org.
Get ready USA!
Soon the USA will bring back the gladiator arena with Christians thrown to pit bulls and bread tossed into the crowds...along with free cell phones & condoms of course.
... won't be Christians, but tax paying American citizens of course... the EBT freeloaders, gummint and union workers will be the crowd while the ruling elite and their uberwealthy crony capitalists watch from their air conditioned, insulated, bullet proof private boxes...
I'll take that bet....
We.re damn near there now, aren't we...??
A timely story for me, as I was in the process of planning an Argentina trip, in the far south. Lots of empty roads and isolated places, Hmmm. New Zealand's Southern Lakes and Fjord Land are looking more appealing after reading this little bit. Seen NZ before, never seen Argentina, maybe never will!
Yeah but NZ has orcs and shit. Tough call.
pods
Do your research; Argentina is not Venezuela.
Brady Campaign-endorsed Illinois politician facing child pornography charges
No worries we have top men on the gun control front... Top men
http://www.examiner.com/article/brady-campaign-endorsed-illinois-politic...
A leader in the fight against concealed carry in Illinois was “charged Monday with using both personal and state-owned computers to trade hundreds of images and videos depicting child pornography,” The Chicago Tribune reported yesterday. Former State Rep. Keith Farnham also reportedly bragged in online chats about molesting young children, and allegedly used state-owned computers to store and trade pictures and videos.
“12 is about as old as i can handle,” charges leaving typographical errors uncorrected allege Farnham claimed. “i love them at 6 7 8.”
Yeah, sure, and I have a bridge in need a of quick short sale. Would you be interested in a profitable opportunity kind sir?
I'd rather have some good old-fashioned vigilante vengeance than settle for the bloated, for-profit, shitshow that the present criminal justice system has become.
Cant wait for central bankers and bank CEOs to get their come-uppence! They will have bullseyes on their backs when the SHTF.
EcoJoker Cant wait for central bankers and bank CEOs to get their come-uppence! They will have bullseyes on their backs when the SHTF.
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I'd like to see a few bankers in jail myself. But keep dreaming. There have many resets in history and guess what, the top1% stay there and the bottom 99% stay there.
Here we go again. I knew it was only a matter of time before Simon Black or the angry American chic in Buenos Aires started in on Argentina again. I can only assume that Simon has investments here and he is angry that he must pay taxes here and take the official exchange rate as he takes money from Argentina abroad to fund his jet-setting adventures.
I have debunked this idiot so many times on Zerohedge and am now quite weary of arguing with someone who is simply mouthing the lies of the international investment class who are angry that their Argentine investments are not paying as much as they think they are entitled to. How many more of these claims of social disorder will Zerohedge publish and impending doom for Argentina will Zerohedge publish? I remember them proclaiming the collapse of order in Argentina over some radio hosts provoking a mob a year and half ago. I remember in January 2013, when a lot of people purchased dollars on the blue market to travel abroad and the peso fell, Zerohedge proclaiming the "end of economic and social order" in Argentina. I remember in January 2014 reading these same cries to the same event. Today the peso trades for about 10 to the dollar on the blue market. In January, when Argentina was in the middle of collapse and the Oceans were Rising and Boiling, Nuclear Winter was Coming in Argentina, the peso was at 11 per dollar. So the Peso has STRENGTHENED by nearly 10% since Zerohedge proclaimed the death of Argentina.
Let me say this ONE LAST TIME "The blue market is not a true market, it is a black market with a limited supply of dollars... It should not be used to indicate relative strength of the peso vs. the dollar" For a bunch of supposedly smart people, Zerohedge authors and contributors are willfully stupid on this point.
So here I still sit in Argentina. It is May Day. It is peaceful. The stores are open. No one is lynching anyone. Stop the bullshit Zerohedge.
Sounds like we just heard from Doug Casey, the genius who says there is no government manipulation of the gold and silver markets.
t hey can't stop the bullshit; it gets page clicks from the armchair commando.
Give 'm a trial...then Hang 'm!
Really? When seconds count, the police are minutes away. At least in my part of the US we can still keep a weapon. Probably need it some day soon.
Coming to the USSA soon. Those on the list know who they are....There will be no place to hide. Keep aiding and abetting 'you know who'. This all ends in hideous violence.....
The flip-flop mobs are NOT something you want to get caught up in...they have them in South America and the far east...the mob just piles on and there's beating and cutting and burning...these vigilante things are insane, these people are animals. And the cops don't even TRY to break it up, they wait for it to fizzle out...and half of them are capturing it on their cell phones...Some of those attacks are the cruelest, most relentless and unmerciful things you'll ever see.
usual stuff. call me when they start beating and shooting cops, politicians and bankers.
This article, and many of the comments below, mix two separate issues together, which causes confusion. Let me separate them.
If a human acts as a predator, to treat them like you would treat a predator of any other species is completely justified. That human adopted the predator modus-operandi, which is "get away with anything you want to, if you think you can", and mere consistency means they have no gripe if others treat them the same way.
However, it is important that non-predator humans clearly understand the distinction between "human predator" and "human producer" (AKA "human non-predator"), and act accordingly. And "act accordingly" means you take great care to make sure you only treat predators as predators, and never treat non-predators as predators.
A problem sometimes arises because humans are so thoroughly brainwashed since birth that they do not understand these issues... or even the concepts they rely upon. And so, sometimes when sane, rational humans start taking appropriate actions against human predators, other humans jump in and start taking actions without even understanding the basis of these actions (predators versus producers), much less taking the effort to figure out who is predator and who is not.
The fact is, an actually civilized world is one in which vastly more individuals take actions against predators. We need to see thousands if not millions of times more of these kind of actions. But before everyone just starts swinging baseball bats and shooting at each other, humans need to understand the bases for action. Clearly people had a perfectly good reason to go after some of these predators (for stealing and harming others), but as everyone notes, some people are prone to "go nuts" without thinking first, in which case they become predators, and deserve to be on the receiving end.
All that's necessary for this behavior to be a good sign, is widespread understanding of what are valid justifications for action.
Reminds me of Butte, Montana in the late 1880's. War of the Copper Kings.
It can not only happen here it IS happening here. It happened in Detroit - 'Detroit Homeowners Gun Down Burglars as Police Wait for Cars' for instance. But frankly speakin I think police force abuse is a much bigger problem at the moment.
Why not smack someone stealing? Who has broken the "contract"? The thief first, he should not have stolen. And I do not think it's fear alone. it's seek for justice. And seeking justice in the "force" monopoly of states is AFAIKT not a decent idea.
Now the mob should turn to their slave holders an send them away. But guess what they have done before. Most of them voted for the current politiican. I can see quite much irony in that. They were all for more stealing and they got it in masses. Now they realize that they have been stolen and now they start seeing it as a problem. The boy is just the straw that broke the camels back.
In the end they got what they put on others. Force, brutal force and murder....
The crux of our economic woes lay in the fact that over the last several decades we have created entitlement societies on the back of the industrial revolution, technological advantages, capital accumulated from the colonial era, and the domination of global finances. Now reality has begun to come into focus and it is becoming apparent that this is unsustainable.
Promises were made on the assumption that those advantages would continue in both Europe and US, and that ever greater prosperity and entitlements would be sustained through debt financed consumption growth.In that eerie fantasy world, debt fueled consumption was to be the catalyst to bring about ever more growth. The entitlements and promises that have piled up have become overwhelming and as these promisies are broken unrest will follow. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-crux-of-our-economic-woes.html
What's wrong with killing a thief? SHHEESH! Good job Mob. Mom shoulda taught her hijo better.