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And Another Warning About Fascism... This Time From 1938
Yesterday we asked if the world was tumbling towards fascism. This is not the first such warning, as we noted previously (with Geoffrey Batt), in a Washington Post article from 1938 one finds an interesting warning from former president Herbert Hoover, in which he declares that the FDR "New Deal" is leading the US to fascism.
In a grass roots convention, Hoover stated that
"despite every alibi, this depression is the direct result of Government actions.
The torch of liberty has been dashed out by some sort of fascism in 14 nations of more than 240,000,000 people - they all undertook new deals under some title, usually planned economy.
The New Deal started with a government debt of $21 billion and today finds itself with a debt either direct or guaranteed of $42 billion.
It started with 12 million unemployed; it finds itself after five years with 12 million unemployed. If the 12 million unemployed are not due to [overextension in new construction or in capital equipment or speculation requiring liquidation] to what are they due?
Why have a recession in the face of low interest rates, no overextension of credit, no oversized inventories, no overextension of capital equipment, no overstock of goods, no speculation. If there are none of these sins or forces in the financial world, such as did exist in previous depressions, obviously the origins cannot be blamed upon finance and business.
There is only one place left to search for the causes of this depression. Despite every alibi, the depression is a direct result of governmental actions."
We know how the 30s ended for America, and we wonder what would have happened had the US not joined the WWII fray, which according to many economists was the only exogenous factor which pushed the country out of the depression and realigned the global map. We do not know what Hoover would say about our current regime, but we doubt it would have been full of praise.
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Yeah, so the WaPost/Hoover was right, back in 1938 about the lefto-commie-fascio-democrats.
And the prophecy is still spot on, absolutely right.
A broken watch is still right twice a day.
A Progressive is still wrong 24/7/365
And hasn't been since. Not to mention the Roosevelt family made its fortune getting the Chinese hooked on opium. Nothing good came from that family, yet the past 3 generations have been brainwashed into thinking FDR was a hero.
The Hoover vs. FDR debate may as well be H Clinton vs J Bush (God forbid). They were both in the pockets of bankers, just like the Blue/Red ticket will be in a few years. When can we wake up from this Fed nightmare?
"I know nothing that I may say can influence you," he said. "You have no souls to be influenced. You are spineless, flaccid things. You pompously call yourselves Republicans and Democrats. There is no Republican Party. There is no Democratic Party. There are no Republicans nor Democrats in this House. You are lick-spittlers and panderers, the creatures of the Plutocracy."
Jack London, The Iron Heel, 1908
It is an excellent read.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1164/1164-h/1164-h.htm
So much better than 1984. For different reasons, but it is really frightening in a way that 1984 wasn't (if you can imagine that).
Good recommendation. If you like to read, and enjoyed 1984, you would really like this.
Once any government, whether democratic or feudal, is given access to large sums of capital it is inevitable that it will trend towards some form of fascism.
That this has been the warning of every conservative for generations and came to a reality will forever be lost to the progressive do-gooders, and probably to history as well.
The problem is centralization of capital over generations.
Not that you will find an answer (there), I wonder how many 'google' "making your ar-15 fully automatic"
btw, doing so will probably bring the ATF to your door at the most unexpected moment you would estimate.
Except.. instead of leading to fascism it lead to the creation of the American middle class. Oh wait, 70 yrs later the us is 'on the road to fascism.' Ah ok, totally a fault of the new deal!
Interestingly the nazi four year plan lead immediately to fascism, yet the new deal took many decades. I'm sure the feeble minded have an explanation for this time discrepancy.
Even Deuce Bigelow has figured it out.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/05/02/rob-schneider-tells-chris-stigall-we-are-sliding-very-fast-towards-fascism/
Probably when the Fed gets its balls cut off. Before that point, we'll be waking up from one nightmare, right into a new nightmare.
The Real 800 Pound [FASCIST] Gorilla That Controls The Realm
After dollar crash. Same story, different century.
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Latest:
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Shouldn't the acronym be MERV? MERS is a virus infecting our Title recording system in the former United States of Amerika.
What did I miss?
MERV was the first name of a popular talk-show host in the 1970's, by the last name of GRIFFIN. A GRIFFIN is a winged minion of Satan; several of which guard the entrance to the Notre Dame Cathedral (carved out of stone) in France.
MIRV, however...
MIRV is an acronym that stands for 'Multiple Independent Re-entry Vehicle'. it was ALSO quite popular, beginning in the late 1950's, and extending up until this time, as describing a thermonuclear missile with intercontinental capabilities and multiple 'delivery packages' of bombs attached, that separated and deployed multiple warheads over their intended targets before re-entering the atmosphere and 'taking out' several cities/bases/targets within a REGION of the enemy's territory simultaneously and completely autonomously.
MERS...
It's a programmed, targeted, and precice way of transferring ownerships of titles and deeds simultaneously and autonomously, destoying property title and holding claims by the purchasers in large areas of entire NATIONS, for the express purpose of transferring debt instruments in 'tranches' (fucking TRENCHES, like the WWI forced conscriptions dug so that they could endure the constant shelling and fucking HELL ON EARTH, and fucking nuvo-bankstas pronounce it differently, all 'continental', like the romantic fucking hairy and diseased FRENCH WHORES do, in order to 'package it up' as part of an 'investment strategy', like fucking PATTON in North Africa, for God's sake, and make it sound 'cool' and 'hip', so that suckers buy in, and people are bedazzled) via 'derivitaves market' calls. GEE, did I MISS anything?
No, I think that MIRV is the correct acronym, whether you are discussing MERV or MERS.
Haha...I remember Merv Griffin, and that is exactly where I was going. I remember 3's Company even better.
"Jack, just stick it in? Make sure there is enough for the Ropers."
FDR a hero, good lord. My grand dad was drafted into that war. The 2 things he never tired of saying were 1) In the '40 election, FDR said he 'wouldn't drag our boys off to die in foreign war's just to get re-elected, then dragged us into the war to cover the dismal economy. 2) The day FDR blew his brains out(yes he did, grand dad's first cousin worked at the hospital in Georgia where they took him) that all the troops in grandpa's outfit celebrated more than when the war actually ended!
so FDR was assassinated..............
Show me the nail gun!
The crippled "middle class" is wrong every second of the day knukles.
Voting bloks and all?
"Theere is only one place left to search for the causes of this depression. Despite every alibi the depression is a direct result of governmental action"
This entire article is as appropriate today as it was in 1938
Hoover was blamed for the 'Crash' of '29, by the corporate media schills implanting the idea that the Federal government's job was to cause economic growth. It worked quite well, it seems.
He's WRONG, however, when he babbled about 'democracies' and such. THIS nation is (or is supposedly0 a REPUBLIC, and the very IDEA of a 'democracy' was an anthema to the writers of the founding documents.
ANOTHER issue I have is that Roosevelt was a totalitarian socialist/communist at heart, NOT a fascist. He didn't think that COROPRATIONS should BE the State (like true Fascism idealizes). HE wanted to be the 'decider', back then (after all, that 'State Of Emergency' was declared, and all). HE wanted to be King SHIT, and 'equalize opportunities for all' (hence the creation of all those three-letter agencies; some of which we still are dealing with to this very day, like the BLM...). HE was the one who decided how the WORLD would be divided up, along with Churchill and Stalin, in places like Yalta and Potsdam...
THINK about it. One of Roosevelt's FIRST acts was to declare a 'national emergency' (which has NOT been suspended) in order to outlaw private ownership of... GOLD. One of the ten BASIC planks of the Party is the eradication of private ownership of property...
HOOVER, in the end, became the propaganda believer that he was groomed to be (a frigging REPUBLICAN, or better termed, FASCIST). He was the POT calling the KETTLE 'black' in this article.
Hmmm... He DIDN'T NAME the REAL ROOT of the REAL PROBLEM at ALL (the establishment of the Federal Reserve Worldwide Foreign Banking Cartel, and the issuance of debt instruments that supplanted REAL money, and the incurred debts OWED by the 'government' to the 'fed', and the saddling of the so-called 'TAXPAYERS' to SERVICE this DEBT, and the usurpation of [and disregard for] CONGRESS'S role as arbiter and the standard-setting body that determines the VALUE of the things that the States coin as MONEY {I.E., GOLD and SILVER; LEGAL TENDER IN PAYMENT OF DEBT}).
Sorry, Knukles, I disagree with you. I don't DOWN-ARROW you, but I TOTALLY DISAGREE that HOOVER was in any fashion 'right' when he supposedly made his public statement in the Washington Post. Was Hearst an investor in this rag back then? I wonder who was the 'controlling interest', and WHO had selected the 'EDITORSHIP' at that time.
Would you like to discuss my correct spelling of the term 'SCHILL', sometime? I can't vouch for the rest of my spelling in this post, though. The history of this expression is, as always, lost in the sands of time.
Hoover did start the depression. His signing of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff act was what got the party started. The crash became real once everyone knew all opposition in the Senate was dead.
Quote:
"Most one-term Presidents only have time for one truly disastrous decision. Herbert Hoover squeezed in two. Having crimped international trade, he proceeded in 1932 to squeeze the domestic economy directly by pushing through Congress a measure to boost the income-tax rate back to 63% from 25% and piling on business taxes too. His aim was to reduce the budget deficit of the preceding 18 months, caused by the gathering slowdown. With ample help from the Democrats, Congress approved the tax increase. Under Roosevelt, economic management was only slightly improved, for even as he and his party chipped away at Smoot-Hawley, they again and again added to internal taxation during the following eight years, and the depression lengthened into war."
QUOTE:
"A great job? Well anyway, um... O.K., he writes, 'Should I be worried about Bear-Stearns' liquidity and get my money out of there?' NO, NO, No. Bear-Stearns is FINE, do NOT take your money out, yeah, this is rekububdub if there's ONE case that we have other that a plus four hundred something... BEEAR... Stearns is not in trouble, uh, I mean, if anything, It would more likely be,... taken over, DON'T MOVE YOUR MONEY FROM BEAR, that's just bein' SILLY... DON'T BE SILLY! Mad Money's back after the break"
Unlike YOUR quote, I can give a reference, a perspective, an author, and a video record of this statement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9EbPxTm5_s
I bet you dusted off some textbook given to you by the DOE, back in YOUR 'educamational dias', maybe 10 years ago (or less), just 'trying' to PROVE ME WRONG.
SO, did you think that so-called EXPERT Cramer was CORRECT, or an ASS-CLOWN? HE's an 'EX-SPURT'!
GOD, you're a DICKWEED.
Name calling? I blame public education. No thanks. You win. Be happy. Go in peace.
HOOVER started the depression? REALLY?
Are you SURE it wasn't the so-called 'tightening of credit' and the infamous 'MARGIN CALLS' that the brokers were forced to do because their FOREIGN BANK DEBT INSTRUMENT SUPPLIERS (FED. RES. CONTOLLING INTERESTS) told them to?
Are you SURE that it was a TARIFF on foreign trade goods entering what was at the time the fastest-growing PRODUCER nation in the entire world? REALLY? The fucking WORLD adored us and we WERE the premier EXPORTER of EVERYTHING.
REALLY, a TARIFF on IMPORTS caused the Depression?
SERIOUSLY?
It didn't have to do with the fact that WWI had wiped out entire national economies (due to the DEBTS that these nations signed on to in order to fund that fucking 'WAR TO END ALL WARS'), and since a shitload of nations couldn't pay their debts anyway, it probably didn't make any difference that WE raised our import fees a few percent, because they owed US as well as the BANKS? TELL EVERYONE HERE what 'vital goods' were NOT imported because of the Smoot-Hawley Act, that caused the United States economy to go belly-up in '29-'33. Was it fucking TEA from CHINA, or BANANAS from HONDURAS, or COFFEE from COLUMBIA or IMMIGRANTS to the NEW WORLD who sought their FREEDOM?
Oh, shit, it was the fucking COFFEE, I KNOW it was!
Damn, skippy, you are a REAL ignorant one.
Yes. Mr Educated. Tariffs started the depression. Struggle against your Krugman approved indoctrination and let a new idea enter your tarnished skull. Notice my judicious use of CAPS in my reply.
After two rounds we go to the judges' scorecards.
Not only S-H, but Hoover worked with business to prevent wage declines. Economics takes over after that (price floors = imbalances)....BAM!!! Greater Unemployment results. Then during FDR, we get repeal of Prohibition, at which point the more populist wing of Socialism gains political clout.
TGD 1.0 is an interesting read in terms of government intervention of varying degrees.
Hope and change was popular then too........
I've been fighting the FED with my hair brained comments for 3 years now and look where it got us.
Suckers are taking my FAFSA money that I pay for college parking and giving it to the DHS in preparations of killing me.. You would think they had the sense to pay the DHS to kill me directly instead of having me pay for it with their money.
Hey what do you want for 38.2 billion/year? The DHS is barely getting by. Remember Obama said we need a civilian army just as well armed and trained as the rest of the military. And FEMA is only 20% of the DHS budget? We have a long way to go to achieve our goals comrade.
http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/FY15BIB.pdf
Q99x2 - I learned from your commentary which has been excellent. If just one person learned to defend themselves from robbery by hedging you have done your job as a outstanding citizen. Global empires have momentum. It isn't just an Anglo-Saxon empire ot is global.
Russia is a wild card in how they react to being encircled. I am an analyst, I look at reams of data all day. Logic goes seven levels deep for me. I don't say this out of vanity. I say this because if I am Russia I would nuke the US and attack all of Europe. Losing would be guranteed for all but serving on my knees along with all my countrymen is worse. People need info. They need to have the three B's. Beans, bullion and bullets. Alternatively, the Russians could be paid like the Prussians of old to attack if America revolts. In either situation, the hedging is the same.
The Chinese look after there own interests first which is wise but they are not friends with Russia. Who do you want to trade with in the end? 30 Trillion (anglo-saxon) or $2 T?
Look after people at the local level. The elephants are going to dance no matter what you and I do. If we helped a few that have an ear, we did what we could to mitigate loss of life. The next couple of generations will see immortality. We'll see science that puts the 20th century to shame. Your likely going to see these times by paying attention and a handful of others by educating them. We cannot save the entire world because only a certain percent are coded to listen. Only those with an ear. I have listened for three years to you. It has been valuable. Same for several frequent commentators. You do it because you care. I do what I do for the same reason. But evolution must play out and we are nearing the end. All things are accelerating.
What is a quantum computer or ability to alter DNA, grow organs etc? They are tools which mirror our evolution, our minds. Tools like a city wall are overcome. The sociopaths spur our evolution forward. They don't get a metal for this as it might take longer to evolve but there would be less pain. It is becoming a new frontier. A wild west and like the old one, such will be dispatched quickly.
Time for a drink and cheer. As we are now Rome 2.0 circa 560 AD lets do a little adoption of their saying "eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die." I have had quite an adventure and many laughs.
Like Young Guns two: "I will finish the game doc." Here is the 30 second clip, note the joke about the end of the world and what two other people do: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqjO2eJIiU
How is it "your" FAFSA money?
Oh, young and innocent one, you still do not understand.
The FED and the DHS are one and the same. Funding for one comes from the other, and enforcment of regulation from the one is carried out BY the other; and BOTH keep their actions SECRET from the PEOPLE because of 'executive orders' and 'admiralty laws' and other ARCHANE CRAP that was 'CODIFIED' by LAWYERS; and POLITICIANS that they OWN and CONTROL.
Their goal is not a quick death for you. NO, it is the infliction of increasing degrees of pain, until one is driven mad by the pain, before begging to be terminated and ultimately professing that they are GOD, before a merciful end that you will beg for (which they will not give). EVERLASTING TORTURE, and OWNERSHIP of body, mind, soul...
THEY promised you some fucking 'student loan assistance' so that you could... do WHAT, again? Become a programmed, compliant, and indebted SLAVE in THEIR system of taxation and abeyance to thus? INDENTURED SERVITUDE to 'make the payments' for the rest of your fucking miserable LIFE? Do you have ANY idea that the average DOCTOR is in DEBT until the age of 53, and the average LIFE EXPECTANCY of a general practitioner is 56?
OOH, I fell SORRY for you, because you can't PARK YOUR FUCKING CAR that someone ELSE bought for you in a space that SHOULD BE FREE TO USE; so that you can go and be INDOCRINATED by their fucking LIES and DECIEPT!
What are you trying to major in, anyway? 'FINANCE'? Fucking KEYNSIAN THORETICAL CALCULATIONS of DEBT INSTRUMENTALITY and the IMPLICATIONS foir UNSOLVABLE DEBT in the MODERN WORLD? Perhaps 'SOCIAL WORK', or some OTHER bullshit Worldwide Socialist front-running employment? How about 'ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES', 'geared' towards getting a fucking job as a middle-man for the fucking EPA or the BLM?
YOUR 'comments' have not got 'US' anywhere. Thanks for ther 'folksy' invite, though.
All I have ever seen from YOU is BITCHING about how YOU don't get MY tax-extorted MONEY and TREASURE so that YOU can live 'BETTER' than ME because of what I HAVE been made to PAY into the so-called 'SYSTEM' that YOU seem to think is YOUR RIGHT to take; by forced racketeering and EXTORTION under threat of VIOLENCE against my person, property, and family.
In short, you twat, go fuck yourself!
Oh, the pain! The DOWN-ARROWS of OUTRAGEOUS FORTUNE!
I have learned that pain is to be actually celebrated in a certain fashion. PAIN (like the RED down-arrows of my comment) allows one to celebrate the fact that one is still ALIVE, and has thus garnered the raw ability to stay ALIVE to endure; and to try to teach others by means of a slice of REALITY.
And if you don;t the recognize the Kochs for what they are, you deserve what you get....
So the MSM can be believed when it comes to the Koch brothers...
Yeah, right.
"Don't look into the backgorund of our lying Kenyan comsymp president, look over here at these wascally wepiblicans."
Sucker.
That's an appropriate online name for you, Senator Reid.
It might be Soros
Hmmm. Possible, but I didn't detect the accent
A NAZI slavic accent, by any other name, would sound as sweet (as a rose, in a pile of shit).
AHEM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4
This was posted BEFORE the FAUX NEWZ deal, if you read the posting.
Strawman would be far more appropriate. It's all Flak knows.
But 'Scheissemeister' would be even better, for a notable coprophagiac.
Warning: hanging around here can result in developing a permanent shit-eating grin.
Could you point out one single strawman that I have posted...
Do you even know what a strawman *really* is?
I recognize that you are a cock.
This is just too easy....
Flak for the "irony" being subjective.
Are you better off now, then you were 5.5-6 years ago?
Flak, even your idea of Freedom has been violated! I'm up-voting you because your conscience will show you the way.
You are in a position to offer me NOTHING.
I, on the other hand, am not in a position to grant you ANYTHING.
Would you care to rephrase your comment, lassie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydXenL7iu0w
FUCKMASTER, is that YOU, Khan?
Yeah, you are a fucking globalist death-making PRICK. That much is accepted and acknowledged.
Settle down, you are embarrassing yourself...
I'm breathing a sigh of relief that you don't like koch.
Empirical data please?
A QUESTION.
Since your star first ignited in the cosmos, and your planet first became populated, I have awaited A QUESTION.
FUCKMASTER:
When the MSM decided to 'flip the cards over', and call the 'Republican' States 'RED states' and the DEMOCRATIC ones 'BLUE states', did you feel empowered to do the same thing, and call the totalitarian fascists as 'EVIL', while defending the totalitarian COMMUNIST wing of the triangle by IMPLICATION?
Are you of the opinion that GEORGE SOROS is a so-called 'GOOD GUY'?
Fucking UNENDING comments about KOCH BROTHERS, it seems. Give this dog a rest, and try to understand that ALL these fuckers are, well, FUCKERS. If YOU were in charge in '63, you would have banned all imports of foriegn weapons, because that patsy that the BOIS set up supposedly used one (equipped with the 'magic bullet') to assasinate a so-called 'president'. OH SHIT, the SMOOT-FUCKMASTER-HAWLEY Act of '63 would have CRASHED the economees... a REPEAT of the 'Hoover Mistake' (according to the Keynes Apologists around here).
VIVA La RAZA, you fuck. Send YOUR donations to the 'TIDES FOUNDATION', and go the fuck AWAY from here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aari42a3YLU
DAMN, skippies...
If you are going to call out the roaches, you don't get to pick and choose...
Well, lets call them out then:
"The group (Democracy Alliance) requires some hefty financial backing. It costs $25,000 just to join, yearly dues of $30,000 and an additional $200,000 donation to Alliance causes. Donation recipients must sign confidentiality agreements, the Post reported."
Yes, you read that right...the recipients must sign confidentiality agreements for accepting billionaires money.
"The Alliance was founded by a group of billionaires, including George Soros and philanthropist Peter B. Lewis, as a result of George W. Bush’s re-election. Its goal was to fund think tanks and media organizations to move societal change toward a more socialist agenda. But the focus changed to funding political endeavors after Vice President Joe Biden asked for help in 2011 for the upcoming election."
Because it would never do, to have it become common knowlege that BILLIONAIRES are funding politicians ranting & raving about "income inequality"...that might seem, um, hypocritical.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/05/puppetmasters-billionaire-radicals.html
But by all means, lets have those very same politicians order the IRS (government) to hold up and/or investigate people trying to inform the electorate and comply with governments own tax laws.
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For my junker and Harry Reid (alias, Flak):
Washington, DC – Nevada Senator Harry Reid today released the following statement after Speaker Boehner announced that House Republicans will form a new special committee on Benghazi.
“Republicans are showing yet again that they have nothing to offer the middle class. Republicans care more about defending billionaires like the Koch brothers and trying to rekindle debunked right-wing conspiracy theories than raising the minimum wage or ensuring women receive equal pay for equal work."
Yes, you read that one correct too, from Reids own site.
http://www.reid.senate.gov/press_releases/2014-02-05-reid-statement-on-republicans-putting-conspiracy-theories-before-the-middle-class#.U2P95ldAd35
In commenting on Benghazi, it became about the Koch brothers...lol. The dementia is strong with this one.
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.....
And yet it was Hoover/Shrub who provided FDR/Obozo the blueprint for the "New" Deal, and he ran with it... Rinse, Repeat.
Hoover is just as guilty as FDR. He listened to the same smart guy central-planners from NY, Boston, Philly and ran with it. Kind of like GWB laying the groundwork for Obama.
Any pol or crat, past or present, that has violated the Constitution, is guilty.
Any Politician is guilty.
Fixed it.
In the 20/21 depression, Hoover pushed for New Deal type spending.
Yes, people (work hard to) disremember that Hoover was just another "Progressive", but it was the supreme deceit of FDR that he vigorously campaigned in 1932 against Hoover for growing the government too large with new agencies. Once elected, FDR then turned around and implemented most of Hoover's further expansionist programs left behind on the drawing board (according to a latter day admission of an FDR administration insider).
Mr. Obama is simply using the same old playbook. The rubes fall for the same weary lies in every era.
Might wanna double-check the history books again, Hoss. Hoover undoubtedly thought he and his homies were the Best & Brightest, sure, but FDR built his totalitarian Frankenstein on the framework first erected by Wilson. While all them freedom-lovin ol-timey *real* Americans sat there and did as they were instructed, like particularly stupid sheep.
+1, exactly. Wilson cut thru the fence, and his brotherhood followed.
The history books don't need to be checked, but you might want to look at the multiple aspects of that construction again (and not just the fact that a Raygun/Obozzo juxtaposition doesn't really work) ;)
For fucks sake, It all started with dishonest Abe, and maybe earlier. There's nothing any of the azzholes mentioned here have done (Obama, Bush(es), FDR, Hoover, Nixon) that wasn't tried by dishonest Abe. Only difference is the scale on some things.
Abe set the stage for disregarding the constitution. All downhill after that.
Abe? You sure? Even Washington, Adams, and Jefferson showed soem disregard for that silly piece of paper.
Cite examples, please.
In any case, Lincoln didn't just smudge the document; he set a match to it.
Great way to start a long conversation (with educated people) -
Which President started America on the road to federal tyranny?
Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, or Obozzo? (just throwing in Bojangles Lenin to stir the pot...he's just the top crust in the long-unpumped septic tank).
My personal answwer is "Wilson", but my hatred for LBJ runs deep.
Woody Wilson ... it would be worth an eternity in hell, for the opportunity to crank his spit while throwing another log on the blazing fire under him.
Read something, reading is fundamental. The Bolshevek revolution occurred in the US before Russia. 1913
Okay, Shrub. Got it. As Kohn would say, I'm still playing ketchup with these vernacularisms. A few moar months and I think I'll be ready to enter the octogon as one of the real guys (in the lightweight div.).
The DC US formally entered fascism on December 23, 1913.
And doubled down in 1971.......
And Royal Flush in 2008.
And whatever is after royal flush in 2012
Royal Skid Mark of 2014?
These are the comments i keep reading ZH for. lmao.
And tabled five jokers, then overturned the whole card table, on 11 Sep 2001.
ALL YOUR FREEDOM ARE BELONG TO US!
America: trashing it's Constitution, supporting neo-Nazi's in Ukraine, Islamic Jihadist's in Syria, and fighting "domestic terrorists" at home who are upset that the 4th Amendment is being raped and the rest of the Constitution shredded to benefit banks, corporations, and the elites.
If the U.S.A. isn't a National Socialist Kleptoligarchy of Facism I don't know what is.
Should I be happy it's a "multicultural" fascism?
No, because I'm a White Male Christian over 30.
Will it be a Yellow Star, or a Green Clover?
Gas chamber, AR-15, or Corporate Prison?
The U.S.A. is GONE me bucko's!
If you want to own the trailer park, you've got to be cohesive? (be as one-group) participation))
Let the smuts fall on the same sword tried three times. The same last words echo, If you feed them enough dog food, they’ll come.
Liberalism wins because when you have a problem, people expect people in power to do SOMETHING, even if something is WRONG. When times get tough, principles are the first asset dumped.
end the fed
Some old school ZeroHedge commenters in that old post.
Even Tarpley was there defending his idol FDR.
Supreme court: president and U.S. military can arrest and indefinitely detain Americans
http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/supreme-court-green-lights-detention-of-ameri...
Controlling governments!
The 5 billion is just starting its minus earnings phase. The project life cycle of ethnic cleansing in the west and oppression of majority nationals in the east and you get your pipe line.
Nuland, Nudelman is committing genocide AGAIN!
Killing others, destroying nations for stopping Isreali coupe in Syria.
Really starting to hate
When Hoover proposed a 30 billion dollar bailout plan in 1932 (after resisting calls for government intervention) FDR referred to him as a fascist. It was called the RFC; Reconstruction Finance Corporation. Politics have changed very little in 84 years.
All the college kiddies like to scream about fascism, as if they had been indoctrinated, or something.
Revisionist history for sure.
Had you asked any 10 US citizens what they thought of FDR and the New Deal some 40 years ago the response would have been 9/10 OVERWHELMINGLY positive.
But the US population has NO MEMORY, is EASILY MANIPULATED, and unscrupulous writers like this hack, Batt, feel they can sell you all the Brooklyn Bridge with no one calling BULLSHIT.
Bottom line, Batt and others want you to privatize the greatest New Deal program, Social Security. They want that money flooded into the stock market...and so they engage in historical revisionism to bash FDR and the New Deal.
Fascism is the merger of the Industrial, Financial and Governmental spheres...and that is what BATT would like to happen.
Geoffrey Batt - Euphrates AdvisorsGeoffrey Batt has been investing on the Iraq Stock Exchange since January 2008. In April 2010, Mr. Batt founded Euphrates Advisors. Prior to his Iraq investments, Mr. Batt was an analyst at Quantrarian Capital Management. Mr. Batt studied philosophy at Columbia University.
you don't know shit. my parents lived it. My father, born in 1919 lived every aspect ot if, from depression era farming to WWII and all of the rest. As a relatively uneducated and therefore unindoctrinated man, he saw the effects over eight decades and predicted all we now see. People who truly work for a living and associate with others of similar circumstances have no delusions about what has and is going on. The waste and corruption are epic. A rotten and putrid chicken in every pot.
Indeed!
Congratulations on saying absolutely nothing.
At first is sounded like your father was one of the 1/10 who was rich enough (a banker?) to hate the New Deal. But then you talk about his prophetic vision of America over the past EIGHT decades and then it all becomes clear.
Dementia.
If we place the New Deal farm program at 1935 and then add 80 years we get 2015. So your dad was an infant during the New Deal. But he watched "Our Gang" and now remembers it as his own "history".
Now for YOU. The New Deal lead to the greatest standard-of-living boom in US history. It saved rural farming families like your dad's from starvation and destitution. Remember the term "Okies"...desperate Oklahoma farmers who had to flee the dust bowl after raw capitalism and land mismanagement, drought.
"...In response to this unprecedented crisis, the Roosevelt Administration sought not only measures to alleviate the plight of the migrants and rural poor — through the establishment and work of such agencies as the Resettlement Administration and the later Farm Security Administration — but also through measures that sought to attack the root causes of the environmental degradation that led to the creation of the disaster in the first place. Recognizing that the key issue was soil conservation, and having gained experience in this issue through his time as Governor of New York State (and as an amateur farmer and forester), FDR established the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) within his first 100 days in office and the Soil Erosion Service (later the Soil Conservation Service and now the Natural Resources Conservation Service) shortly thereafter. The establishment of the Soil Erosion Service marks the first major federal commitment to the preservation of natural resources in private hands..."
http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/fdr-and-new-deal-respons...
I did a quick check on his CV. Batt's a hedge fund predator. I don't think he's a fullfledged member of the corporatocracy or the tribe, just a conflicted philosophy major who lost his grad school funding and ended up going to work for his Columbia U best buddy. He was taken in (probably in more ways than he knows) and taught the hedge business. Now he's drumming for Iraqi investment opportunities. His boss made his money on Russian investments. I take everything with a kilo of salt.
The Treaty of Lisbon is one of the founding sources of authority for the European Union. This treaty states that the economic basis for the Union will be “social market economy”. As with all things liberal, he who gets to define the meaning on the words and terms controls the outcome of the discussion.
In this case “social market economy” means soft fascism. As the power and scope of the central government grows, so does the fascist bureaucracy and attitude of the governing class. We have the best example yet in the treatment of the accounts of savers in Cyprus, where the EU demanded that about 10% of account balances be seized in return for bailing out the remainder.
see:
SOCIAL MARKET ECONOMY EXPLAINED IN A SIMPLE WAY
http://www.kas.de/jordanien/en/publications/13321/
I've found that when deriving the meaning of phrases beginning with "social...", the meaning becomes immediately apparent if you just subsitute the word "social" with "fake". "Social market economy", "social justice", "social contract", "social security", .... it works every time.
Every President since Wilson has been a Rothschild stooge, anyone who thinks otherwise is an educated idiot. How do I know? Easy, the FED has been screwing everyone and starting wars since then.
9/10 of American's liked the New Deal "Novictim"?
Then 90% of American's are either a useful idiot or a commie stooge without a seat at Lucifers alter, that's for the fraternity guys in purple and red. 9/10ths of American's don't eat babies after they screw them and then go and bugger their New World faggot buddy.
Behind all these "isms" and "ologies" are people with some pretty fucked up DNA who have an overwhelming desire to enslave others and make their lives miserable - to satisfy something far deeper and disturbing in these fucked up people.
When the reset starts, we hope to see the masses permanently erase most or all of this fucked up DNA.
Hoover had a fiscally responsible approach to stimulating the economy, but its interesting to note that hitler kicked hoovers ass in terms of resuscitating their respective countries post-depression economies, and even under much formidable circumstances. Hoover was handicapped by wrangling politics and a command economy system set up to benefit international bankers, whereas Hitler benefited from having zero interference from the financial architects he knew all too well, whose aim was to bring all of europe under their dominion and control. This is actual history and indisputable. dont shoot the messenger just because he went too far and killed.. how many was it, 6, 9 or 12 million? The number seems to keep going up.
hoover wrote that?!
that takes a lot of courage coming from the person who initially led the counter-response to the great depression:
i don't get why people have such a hard time accepting that the order we live in comes from a "centralized" position of power, be it from above, below, or in the middle. (or dare i say, from each and every one of us voting directly or indirectly to elect a government that is supposed to carry out the will of the people).1
in my view, FDR didn't go far enough, fast enough. besides, he inherited hoover's output, which half-assed centralization of economic planning & development, failing to give enough people meaningful work.
without the new deal, would america have been in a position to fight in world war ii? as much as i despise war, i think the world's configuration would be very different today if america had remained a historical footnote during 1941-1945. for better or for worse...in any case, i'm thankful things turned out the way they did, because i wouldn't exist the way i exist today - and i relish in my existence.
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1there is also power in not voting if enough people (>60%) opt out, giving no legitimacy to the elected government.
'without the new deal, would america have been in a position to fight in world war ii?'
Without Treponema pallidum, would you have been in a position to get syphilitic neuropathy?
Seek medical attention today.
that was cute.
when you can't answer an honest question or refute facts, then make a snarky comment.
i know it's tough for most to utilize reason, holistic thinking, and humor all wrapped up in a short post, but hey...i don't give up hope for you.
PS.
your friends are calling.
In the USSR they get propaganda.
In the USSA we get the news.
" Didn't need no Welfare states
Everybody pulled his weight
gee our old LaSalle ran great
Those were the days
And you knew who you were then
Girls were girls and men were men
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again"
Norman Lear meant this to be a humorous caricature.
Not so funny now, eh?
The worst assumption was that a political party was gonna make it all better.
In a grass roots convention, Hoover stated that
"despite every alibi, this depression is the direct result of Government actions."
Of which he was a part. Hoover was in effect blaming himself.
Yes, Hoover screwed up by tinkering.
From his lessons learned, he gave good advice in the article.