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China, Russia Military Ties Deepen With Naval Drill In East China Sea
Submitted by Zachary Zeck via The Diplomat,
On Wednesday, China announced that it plans to hold joint naval drills with Russia in the East China Sea later this month.
“These drills are regular exercises held by China and Russia’s navies, and the purpose is to deepen practical cooperation between the two militaries, to raise the ability to jointly deal with maritime security threats,” China’s Defense Ministry said in a statement published on its website.
Voice of America reports that the joint naval drills will be held in late May off the coast of Shanghai. This is significantly north of the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands that have been the source of ongoing tensions between Japan and China in recent years. Russia also has an ongoing territorial dispute with Japan over the Kuril Islands located even further north off the far eastern coast of Russia.
Few details have been released about the scope of the naval drills at this time.
Still, the announcement is not surprising, and is not likely aimed at Japan in particular. As China’s Defense Ministry noted, Russia and China have a history of holding joint naval drills, and their military ties have grown stronger in recent years. For example, last July, Moscow and Beijing held a massive naval drill with live firing exercises off the coast of the Russian city of Vladivostok. According to Chinese media reports at the time, the drill was the People’s Liberation Army’s largest ever with a foreign country.
The New York Times reported that China’s Navy sent “seven warships, including a guided-missile destroyer with Aegis-type radars that track and guide weapons to destroy enemy targets, and missile frigates with antisubmarine abilities” to last year’s drill. These vessels were from China’s North Sea Fleet and the South Sea Fleet. Beijing also deployed three helicopters and a special warfare unit to last year’s drill. The Russian Navy, on the other hand, deployed a kilo-class submarine and the guided-missile cruiser Varyag, which is the flag ship of the Russian Pacific Fleet.
“This shows unprecedented good relations between China and Russia,” Professor Wang Ning, director of the Center for Russian Studies at the Shanghai International Studies University, told the New York Times about last year’s drill. “It shows that the two countries will support each other on the global stage.”
Indeed, the joint naval drills are merely one example (and result) of the stronger bilateral ties Russia and China have enjoyed since President Xi Jinping took over the Chinese Communist Party in November 2012. China began a new charm offensive towards Russia early in Xi’s tenure. This was demonstrated by, among other things, the fact that Xi Jinping chose Russia as the destination for his first official foreign trip as China’s president in March 2013. He returned later in the year for the G-20 summit, and was back again earlier this year to attend the opening ceremony of the Sochi Olympics.
The close relationship between the two leaders has yielded some notable results, as well. Besides the unprecedented naval drills mentioned above, Russia has signaled a greater willingness to sell China advanced defense technology during Xi’s tenure.
Around the time of Xi’s first trip to Russia last March, there were reports that China and Russia were negotiating their largest ever defense agreement. The deal would reportedly include Russia selling China as many as four Lada Class air-independent propulsion submarines as well as 24 Su-35 multirole fighter jets. The Su-35 fighters, in particular, would greatly enhance China’s ability to project air power in the South China Sea. More recently, there have been reports that Vladimir Putin has approved the sale of Russia’s most advanced air and missile defense system, the S-400, to China.
Perhaps of more lasting importance, Russia and China have been significantly boosting their energy ties, which could solidify a more long-term relationship between them. Most notably, in June of last year Rosneft, Russia’s state-owned energy giant, agreed to double its oil exports to China. Under the deal, which was worth an estimated $270 billion, Russia will ship 365 million tons of oil to China over the next 25 years.
Similarly, numerous signs suggest that after a decade of ongoing talks, Russia and China are in the final stages of negotiating a massive 30-year natural gas supply deal. Once the deal is completed, according to Bloomberg News, Russia’s “Gazprom plans to supply as much as 38 billion cubic meters of gas to China, about 24 percent of the company’s deliveries to Europe last year.” Achieving this will require the construction of a massive pipeline to carry the natural gas from eastern Russia into China. Russia will reportedly need to spend about $22 billion to build the pipeline.
The two sides are hoping that the deal will be ready in time for Putin’s trip to China on May 20, which will take place immediately prior to the joint naval drills.
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Rearn Lussian
Stessed witches.....
Comrades
Working on it.
Looking forward to the new propaganda of the double red scare.
This tripe from 'The Diplomat' is the first salvo in that propaganda campaign.
Both Putin and Xi Jinping smell weakness emanating from the White House.
I thought that smell was Kobe beef brisket BBQ?
Lol, Putin the pedo-midget is shorter than most Chinese!
Your' dick is shorter than mine.
Are you or have you ever been ... a member of the communist party?
Our kid will grow up fluent in Chinese and English... but we're already starting exposure to Arabic and Russian actually. Chinese, English, Russian and Arabic, with a pair of passports in different names. Kid'll have to try pretty hard to mess up with that setup.
Does "The Diplomat" call itself that from irony?
The Diplomat: Shall we joust?!
The People: Go fuck yourself. And if we're going to joust, how about you get in that fucking armored suit you fucking pussy. The Hulk is busy.
The Diplomat = The Aristocrats, but with more woar
Not irony. It's a middle finger aimed at all the serfs.
War between East and West ratchets up!
The Latest and Biggest Battle Between East and West Converges in the UkraineChina to Russia: "Show us what you got and we watch."
"Russia will ship 365 million tons of oil to China over the next 25 years."
365 million tons is 2555 million barrels.
2555 million barrels / 25 yrs = 102.2 million barrels per year.
And / 365 is about 280K bpd. A significant, but not huge flow.
The important thing to understand is no one, not even the Russians, expect their 10.5 mbpd production to increase. They are struggling to stay flat at that level.
And . . . they burn 4.5-5 mbpd domestically. So this 280K bpd will come from someone they are already supplying.
You're well versed on energy issues. What's holding us back from nuclear powered thorium vehicles? II've read a little on it but would be curious to hear your take on why it is/isnt a viable replacement for fossil fueled cars and whether it's scalable to construction equipment.
A reasonable question deserves an answer: The Thorium technology is not unperilous. Most designs are helium-cooled and operate at temperatures quite a bit higher than lightwater reactors. The moderation is graphite based (like RBMK or Sellafield). But the fuel not only contains Thorium 232, from which U 233 is bred, but also notable amounts of U 235, which breeds U 236. Uranium 236 absorbs thermal neutrons, that is bad for power density and decreases breeding ratio. The design prevents a meltdown, but a loss of coolant can lead to very high temperatures (around 2300°C), which would cause massive releases of fission products even without a complete meltdown. Pebble-bed designs suffer from breaking pebbles, it often happens that control-rods that are inserted into the pebble bed cause damage to pebbles. There also is a possibility of unwanted chemical reactions between hot vapors and graphite, and unwanted corrosion of concrete. A prototype reactor has been built in germany, but it didn't measure up to expectations. Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THTR-300. Even molten salt designs wouldn't fit into a car - they'd be too heavy. I don't hink that anything good will derive from Thorium - but that's a personal opinion.
But it's probably millions of times better than the current Uranium technology, which, btw, was only introduced because of atomic bombs...
Shit answer.
Thorium has 3 main ways to be consumed, one of which can include provision to also consume what is today considered nuclear waste.
It is a fair question, but thought he was referring to the operational thorium car lit with light amplification of stimulated emissions of radiation, thus the answer to op's question would be "its not economic"
Car Runs For 100 Years Without Refueling - The Thorium Car http://youtu.be/68A_HPYGdlk
Now onto the 2 other main ways to 'burn' 90.
Yes, the chemical processing, storage, then sale or reuse will belie miniturization. The 'even' word means you know MSRs are very physically beneficial inherently, but are expensive and complex to do "right" where medican isotopes are bypoducts giving the radiopharmological profession a emitters. So to then extend to the next assertion is wackadooo when considering the availability, benefits.
Now with the existing thorium tech you cite, such as the stage 1 stuff in China, India's program and other uses in solid form are no better than the present day u reactors by reactor design, not by fuel mix.
Sounds to me as if you dont yet know what you dont know, as the inventor of the design you deride himself agreed saying MSRs are where safety is best upheld from a radiological dispersion pov --- i mean helll --- no nead to be anywhere near an ocean, versus today h2o cooling your coveted quo
While in the Plutocracies the lobby of evil has prevented any useful discussion and progress, and cemented the desastrous established deadly technology, China is going Thorium now.
I think the key to the Russian energy 'pivot' is not oil but the supply of gas to China. A potentially much bigger market as the Chinese have annouced a program to switch from coal to gas - delivered via secure pipes across the Russo-Chinese land mass. This may potentially also include Iran's oil and gas resources as they could be 'plugged' in. All traded in their own currencies.
Both of those countries can eat a dick. Or share a huge one. Either way, fuck them both.
They'll probally end up eating yours,,right after they cut it off ;-)
How can you be so pro-American? It was the Americans that gave China everything it needed to flourish. It was America that gave Russia the perpetually weak EU as a subservient customer. It was America that enslaved itself to the Saudis and their wreckless and insular terror culture. It was America that gave us two equities bubbles in two decades, shifting wealth to the 0.1% around the world. In fact, America - the only global superpower - can be seen as having a strong hand in every cluster fuck going on in the world for the past 50 years. America can eat my dick.
Ha.
You're confused.
We trade paper for oil and the the Saudis trade back that paper to us for bigger pieces of paper.
Who's getting the better deal?
It's not America or Americans. Its the Israel policies and the Muslim oil that run this country, which was handed over by traitors of the highest degree. Sociopaths that like to see things break and bleed, boil and burn. Well, I call them sociopaths but they are combination of complete stupidity, short sideness, arrogance and insanity...Oh, sorry, I just decribed Psychopathy. They tend to all be like Sterling. You know, we are all lower life forms to do as they will. It will be an interesting battle between our psyciopaths and their psyciopaths. I think ours will loose as they have gotten too lazy and too fat.
It seems the Russians and Chinese smell American blood in the water. Anyone want some US Treasuries for 60 cents on the dollar?
I wonder when the Diplomat will comment on the possibility of a BJP win in the Indian elections ( Modi can best be described as a wild card ) and the good chance of China Russia and India looking at a feeding partnership ?
Feeding partnership? With Russia's huge, weakly defended expanse as the main course, you mean? Yep. That would be a certainty if past history tells us anything.
Woooooo. Here's you've got your no bottom field.
Cheap conjuror tricks.
If horses had horns...
TheFourthStooge-ing
Kindly see my response to your comment (my 4722950 below yours, Putin thread).
A shitty book you've read DCRB ;-)
Gryphons are much more interesting, you'd do better if you took an interest in Heraldry...and very old religions.
You are right about Russia, China and India as weak countries in comparison to Western Powers, except our leaders would know how to use the power about as well as a chimp would know how to use a computer. So, its not about the tool, its about the carpenter.
We have not had a competent Diplomat since Ben Franklin.
Sorry sights since then for the most part.
6 cense on the dollar. There, fixed it for ya.
Hey USA, Get your head out into the light, STOP this now!
The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
congrats to the usa maggots for building such formidable opponents. KUDOS!
China won.
WTF? Annomous has an cousin?
Dont worry guys, we've got them surrounded!
The End is near....for Statism
The end is near for " liars". Freedom will survive
A russian child and a chinese child play with small TOY boats on the beach in vietnam, and the "DIPLOMAT", writes a POST "CHINESE and RUSSIANS COLLUDE NAVAL BATTLES"...
The end is near for Zachary Zeck ...
The next round for world domination won't be fought with boots on the ground boats in the water and planes in the air. It will be fought in the monetary and banking arena, and if things get out of hand it will go thermonuclear.
The world is getting fed up with the almighty king dollar and the exorbitant privilege it gives the increasingly corrupt US regime (widely viewed as the most corrupt regime on the planet).
Up to now nobody has been strong enough in the monetary and banking arena to challenge the almighty king dollar, but someone is strong enough now, they happen to be asian, and are quickly gaining support of other asian nations with longstanding animosity against the corrupt US regime. And they happen to have a frighteningly large thermonuclear arsenal among them.
So the corrupt US regime's days are numbered along with their almighty king dollar.
Yes, they'll do what American "patriots" don't have the guts to do. American "patriots" don't have the guts to take America back, so the new asian alliance will take America down. A task made far easier with the corrupt US regime's world-record debt.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Stateside
I'm mulling this over:
"The enemy of my enemy is just another motherfucker that needs to be killed."
The other hasn't worked out so well as policy in the past. Sure, it sounds good, but it always bites you on the ass in the future. Might as well just get it over with...
I can't pronounce your name, but I do think you're onto something.
WAR ENSEMBLE!!!!
Indication of triumph, the numbers that are dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2e47wBWTV8
Decent nations shall prevail.
Ok how bout this: The banksters cut a deal with Russia and China to take over the United States of America, Europe, Japan and Austraila for a cut of the action and the ability to maintain oligarch status. They won't have to worry about not being asian because of the Russians. Now does that sound like something a bankster might do?
Calling all cars. Calling all cars. Huston I think we have a problem.
This would only be plausible if those involved were greedy, sociopathic hubristic and power- crazed. It would be more plausible still if they were also cold blooded murderers who viewed most of humanity as a second rate sub species, but lacked the capacity to extend power wherever they wanted, without the help of a compliant state apparatus.
This "conspiracy theory" would be even more plausible if there was some new threat to the current rule of the oligarchs like for example an awakening of the people, that could threaten to derail the currently favourable "status quo"...
Ask yourself.
"Does this new conspiracy theory pass the reasonableness test"
Yes its true we are driving these two closer together. Back in the middle of 2012 Putin pledged to strengthen Russia’s economic and political ties with China after skipping a Group of Eight summit in the U.S. the month before. This unholy alliance between Russia and China may create major problems for America going forward. For more about this meeting and the implications see the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2012/06/putin-strenghtens-ties-with-china...
I'm sure the 'holy' alliance includes united states of america?
TIFB
Yeah, just keep going forward, you should just about be able to see the table and sterring wheel from here.
Yes its true we are driving these two closer together. This "unholy alliance" between Russia and China
so why would it be "unholy"... if brought together by the USA?
everything the USA does is virtuous
Decades ago America started down a perilous path to build China into a world power, a pathological fear of Russia and the Kremlin’s atheism caused America to seek a counter balance in the region. Central to the American effort was offering the prospect of economic incentives to China, we combined this with a hardline military response to communist aggression.
Ironically, it was the China’s communist longevity the Washington wise men should have feared more. For more on how and why America built China into a powerhouse see the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2012/09/china-made-by-america.html
"Navel drills" !!?? OMG, that does sound kinda painful.
Western World....DUH!
WTF did you think was going to happen?
It's as if the Wesern World has not read the Bible or studeid two pages of history.
DUH!!!
Naval drills? Come on you guys, thats sooooooooooo last century.
There are kids manning joy sticks in air conditioned trailers in Nevada who can blow the shit out of stuff 7,000 miles away.
and there are Persians in caves that can hijack those joysticks any time they want, not to mention the Chinese and Russians who told them how to do it. There's a reason that USS Donald Cook left the Black Sea a few days after an un-armed Russian MIG laughed it's ass off at them from a 1000 yards away. Think about it.
Uh-oh.
"Sir, the Aegis system is now working but it's targeting Istanbul's airport."
Our policies are driving them into each others arms, but it won't matter. Even together they would be no match for us economically or militarily. It would be Stalingrad all over again. The Russians and Chinese would be sending men to fight without guns or with guns but no bullets.
Let's face it. The US is the bully on the block right now and there's not a thing the world can do about it except grumble.
" “It shows that the two countries will support each other on the global stage.”
Temporarily, just like Russia did to Ukraine in Crimea, the Chinese will do to Russia in their Northeast.
Remember, Russia has stolen land from China equivalent to 1/6 it's current territory.
The Rusians have to show the Chinese how the S-400 missle defense system operates.
Obama pivots to the monkeys and Putin pivots to the 800 lb. gorilla that America fed and nurtured.
Oy veh! Vat a meshugganah
No problem Dude, what time we tee off?
Two 4th rate navies play games - BFD
China likes everyone.
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If they dont like ya' they will send a million men to deliver a single bullet just to be clear