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EU Commissioner Warns "Any 'Sensible' Person Should Oppose Further Russia Sanctions"

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Obama won't be happy! "It would harm everybody, the Europeans and the Russians," warned Olli Rehn, the European Commissioner for Economic Affairs, adding that "any 'sensible' European Union citizen should oppose further sanctions on Russia because of the economic cost for Europe." As Merkel and Obama cozy'd up for discussions this morning, we can only imagine the promises being made if only she will support his crusade (which she clearly was unwilling to judging from the press conference). Perhaps she should check in with her nation's CEOs (who have vociferously demanded no more sanctions) and, as Rehn acknowledges, the slowing Russian economy is already having a “negative impact” on Finland and Austria, and "that economic fallout probably will spread to Germany, Poland and the Baltic countries."


As Bloomberg reports, Europe should shun Russia sanctions on economic cost, according to Olli Rehn...

Any “sensible” European Union citizen should oppose further sanctions on Russia because of the economic cost for Europe, EU Commissioner Olli Rehn said.


It would harm everybody, the Europeans and the Russians,” Rehn, the European Commissioner for Economic Affairs, said in an interview in Vienna today. Yet “it can only be avoided if Russia is committed to avoiding aggravation and escalation of this crisis,” he said.


As EU governments weigh economic sanctions on Russia for failing to stop separatists in Ukraine, the slowing Russian economy is already having a “negative impact” on Finland and Austria, Rehn said. That economic fallout probably will spread to Germany, Poland and the Baltic countries, he said.


Ukraine’s conflict escalated as the army sent armored vehicles and artillery today in a bid to retake the eastern town Slovyansk, a stronghold of pro-Russian separatists. Russian President Vladimir Putin had demanded Ukraine pull back troops as his forces remain massed across the border.


Everybody should try to reduce tension in eastern Ukraine and thus try to prevent an escalation of this regional crisis into a European-wide crisis,” said Rehn, who is on leave from his EU post while running for a seat in European Parliament elections starting May 22.

And there it is... with Ukraine now operating its anti-terrorist campaign, any Putin reaction will leave the West useless as Europe is broadly and loudly against further sanctions... pitting the US against the rest.

Merkel confirmed that economic sanctions are unlikely before May 25th elections.


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Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:21 | 4720851 UrbanMiner
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Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:25 | 4720865 ParkAveFlasher
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Barry tearfully asks Merkel for a redistribution of captured pieces, if that's part of the rules.  Merkel pulls his halfroed head to her breast comfortingly, ssshhh buby, only two years left.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:51 | 4720962 strannick
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They have her cell phone records. Merkel will do what she's told, despite Germany asking for those, records, oh and their gold.The nation of Germany may have been fatally compromised over some sassy selfies.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:53 | 4720998 fonzannoon
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who would have guessed a selfie of her cottage cheese ass would break up the euro.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:30 | 4720885 The Axe
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bond market   BOMB 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 16:13 | 4721655 SAT 800
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Is there a sensible person in the building please; paging a sensible person. If there's a sensible person here please come forward, thank you. Hmm. no response.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 18:42 | 4722177 Wahooo
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Just the elevator man. He moves without taking a step. Very zen of him. But he can't answer your call.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:24 | 4720857 agent default
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So no problem with Obama then.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:24 | 4720859 Oh regional Indian
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Realpolitik and Obama is at least made to look the man without a leg to stand on here.

Quite the game.

Plus, so many angles to destabilization: Ethnic, Economic, Religious, Political, Race......

Remember Rwanda, the first great "created" genocide thanks to Clinton 1 (yessss, I think Hillary might it....ugh!)....

Time for some serious, globalinstropection.

A good local start is, how do you treat your animals?


Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:39 | 4720935 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Realpolitik and Obama is at least made to look the man without a leg to stand on here.

Olli Rehn's statement had a cleverly cloaked message:

Any “sensible” European Union citizen should oppose further sanctions on Russia


Yet “it can only be avoided if Russia is committed to avoiding aggravation and escalation of this crisis,” he said.

Translation: the people running the EU are not sensible people.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:51 | 4720992 Dr. Venkman
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Or the people running the EU do not view themselves as citizens of the EU, rather their rulers.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 17:26 | 4721906 Bioscale
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There is no "EU citizen". It's just bureaucrat talking about his bubble brusels reality.

Ask the Greeks how they feel as citizens of the fucking banksters union. Or ask Czechs why they don't give up their own currency.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 15:48 | 4721546 Luckhasit
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A good local start is, how do you treat your animals?

My girls get treated like family.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:24 | 4720861 Wile-E-Coyote
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There will be no European sanctions that threaten energy supply; period.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:25 | 4720863 ronron
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fuck the EU

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 15:40 | 4721520 SpanishGoop
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We are already fucked.

We will piss off one or the other.

Sanctions, no sanctions.


Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:26 | 4720868 fonzannoon
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Obama was rattling off info on russian stocks/bonds/currencies like he was hosting mad money. he just needed to throw some shit and have loud clown noises going on while he yelled.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:36 | 4720921 Dr. Engali
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You are'nt going to believe this. I clicked to respond to your comment with another snarky comment and Jim Cramer's ugly mug jumped out in a pop up ad. I was so freaked out I forgot what I was going to say.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:39 | 4720936 fonzannoon
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Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:42 | 4720951 swmnguy
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That must have been terrifying, Doc.  Take a moment to compose yourself.  Maybe change your shorts.  Have a cool glass of water.  That shouldn't happen to anybody.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:49 | 4720981 Dr. Engali
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lol.... thanks I think I'm going to be okay. I better start drinking early though just to make sure.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:57 | 4721024 Supafly
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Use Firefox.  I haven't seen that snaggle toothed whore pop up since I installed it.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:14 | 4721122 CrashisOptimistic
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Putin, with so little need to borrow, probably doesn't care about much of the financial this and that -- except his richest people do.  That would be the only impediment he faces to moving not just away from dollars but away from money as a trade vehicle.

Clearly cheap labor or food would be better than money in trade for things people burn immediately, but he must be careful not to impoverish a power base.

So he'll embrace gradualism.  His enemies will be bled slowly.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 16:16 | 4721662 SAT 800
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In Russia the Rich Businessmen fear the President; not the other way 'round like here.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:26 | 4720869 GolfHatesMe
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Wait a minute, we have to stop drawing lines?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:27 | 4720870 PlusTic
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come on dood, you aren't being the masochist you signed-up to be...get back to the script lest you be sent to the 99%!

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:27 | 4720873 Joebloinvestor
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Watch this change when they are being ground up under a boot heel.


Fuck the EU.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:36 | 4720915 SoDamnMad
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Yeah they all want to sell armaments and anything technical to the Russians.  The French and their amphibious assault ships to the Russians, Germany training systems to Russia, submarines to Greece and tanks to Saudi Arabia. Europe is almost repeating the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact.  Yeah Roll them tanks.  Right after the Victory Day parade in Moscow those war machines will roll all the way to Brussels. Pull everything back to the USA and build lots of submarines.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:28 | 4720877 NOZZLE
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Putin should roll the tanks all the way to the border of Romania. 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:40 | 4720938 sangell
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His army's tanks would break down long before they got that far. Ukraine is bigger than Texas.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 15:43 | 4721532 CrabNuggetOne
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Ukraine WAS bigger than Texas. Fixed it for you.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:29 | 4720881 Ribeye
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Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:04 | 4721065 ptolemy_newit
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so its the UNION  verses the FEDERATION?

> THATS IT !!!!!!!!!!!!

Very strange though, seems against the tide of seperation.  There will be only one.


Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:29 | 4720883 SheepDog-One
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Double good bullish for hand-held US stock indexes!

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:40 | 4720887 JustObserving
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What if you are a war-loving liar who has been droning poor peasants, almost lying to a major war with Syria, and sold his country down the river by handing NSA spying data on Americans without any restrictions to a foreign power in March 2009?  You would ratchet up new sanctions and hope for a war so you can boast, " I am really good at killing people."

Obama Told Aides He's 'Really Good At Killing People,' New Book 'Double Down' Claims

Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.


Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:30 | 4720889 wmbz
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Obozo is anything but "sensible" . Clueless buffoon, waste of skin, yea, but sensible hell no.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:31 | 4720893 no more banksters
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"The most terrifying of all however, is not that the West has silenced in front of the decrees of the new Ukrainian leadership, through which is targeting the minorities, but the fact that the West allied with the neo-nazis, while according to some information has also funded their actions as well as other extreme nationalist groups during the riots in Kiev."

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 18:48 | 4722199 Wahooo
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Aren't all the people who have run our politics since WWII - Saudis, Jews, Bankers of every stripe - actually very NAZI-like? They're not exactly hellbent on freedom and liberty.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:33 | 4720899 Dr. Engali
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Too big to fail on a soverign level. Globalization is a bitch.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:40 | 4720901 buzzsaw99
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eurotards should stfu & do as they're told by owebomba and hitlary. [/sarc]

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:35 | 4720907 BrigstockBoy
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Olli Rehn, someone Nigel Farage described as dangerous. Things must be very close to a tipping point in the EU if this POS is advocating no further sanctions.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:39 | 4720933 Ribeye
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The Euro elections are in three weeks, 

the results will be the beginning of the end for the EU, 

Just watch, 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:45 | 4720967 buzzsaw99
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another fine mess nato has gotten him into [/laurel and hardy]

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:37 | 4720920 sangell
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Where's the big gas and gas pipeline deal the Russian Deputy PM was supposed to negotiate with China. Its May and Putin is to go and bang his head before Xi Jinping to save Russia from Putins folly in Ukraine. Europe can diversify its gas supplies a lot faster than Putin can find new markets and if he doesn't get financing for the Power of Siberia pipeline and a gas export deal at a good enough price he's totally screwed. He's probably screwed in the short term anyway since no gas can be exported until the pipeline is built and that can't happen until 2018 at the earliest. Problem is Russia says it needs $13.50 per million BTUs to make the project economic and China ain't going to pay that!

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:37 | 4720924 Debugas
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nobody is asking EU citizens what they want - EU is a dictatorship

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 15:25 | 4721446 trader1
Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:39 | 4720929 stant
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Stalin "they will sell us the rope with which we will hang them". Putin " we won't sell them the rope with which they could save themselves"? I need more popcorn for this shit show

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 16:06 | 4721619 Big Boss Man
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I believe that was Kruschev, though I was still a little boy in 62.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:38 | 4720930 joego1
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Putin will get his federation of the Ukraine because the west won't be able to stand the pain. The Europeans will get higher energy prices no matter what at this point but once they get Obozo's big top to quit spinning around uselessly they might avoid a very  cold winter.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:38 | 4720931 Tinky
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Any sensible person should be living in the wilderness by now.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:39 | 4720932 thamnosma
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Whether or not he's right, Ollie Rehn is the worst sort of EU bureaucrat.  I even painfully watched one of his speeches in the EU parliament as Nigel Farage uploaded it onto You Tube as an example of the bullshit going on there.   I'd rather be ruled by Justin Bieber.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:41 | 4720945 Itchy and Scratchy
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Sanction the EU out of existence!

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:46 | 4720969 XitSam
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Sanctions are an act of war.  A modern version of a naval blockade in eras past.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:13 | 4721117 combatsnoopy
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Sanctions of Japanese oil got Pearl HArbor bombed. 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:47 | 4720976 sangell
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Every cubic foot of gas or barrel of oil that Europe buys from other non Russian suppliers is a 'sanction' in its own right. So too is every loan not rolled over. Yesterday it was reported that BP has had to loan Rosneft, Russia's biggest oil producer that BP has a 20% stake in $1.5-2.0 billion. Problem is Rosneft and the rest of the Russian energy complex is going to need much more than that.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:50 | 4720987 mandea
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It's amazing how entire EU is obeying a former KGB officer. "We do not want EU rule" i read here sometimes, ´F"§$K EU and USA and their crooked banksters...

Alright boys, so what do you want? If you can not change your system why do you expect help from russia?  The fact that  you can say anything here and act accordingly is a great step forward, in bielorussia and kazahstan or russia, only posting something like what you have just read is a penalty and would translate in years of jail.


What is wrong with you, putin lovers,? I lived 25 years of my life in a former "iron-curtain" country and recognize every step putin does. From internet propaganda to "people'S referendum". That is how they did it decades ago: we take  eveything from you to give to people! What a joke.......!!! F&%$§ Putin and the neo-bolshevics but long live simple russian people (for whom I have the greatest respect!!)


Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:04 | 4721071 comob
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Except for the cursing, this is exactly what my wife says (She's from Donetsk and lived there her whole life until 1998).

Everytime I complain about the fascistic broken system we have here she reminds me that we (americans) have NO IDEA what it is like to live under fascism and the fact that boards like this and others exist, that I can voice or write my complaints without fear for my life/livelihood or family, and, if I choose so, I could even do something about my complaints, all prove that this is NOT a fascistic broken system, yet.




Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:19 | 4721153 mandea
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Right, your wife is correct! 

In the USA no-one can complain that the system is corrupt (and it might be so) because there you have free elections. Banks are jerks, sure thing, politicians are corrupt, so they are. But who can change anything? How? By admiring Putin who poisoned all of his oponents?

West was in love with communins since 1968 or so, especially France and Italians. It is a dream of a country ruled by a system which offers everyone equal chance. Well, it never offered anyone anything. Communism and fascism are invented by the same kind of people. They are simply the same. I agree, neo-liberalism is terrible, but that can be changed without returning to the "golden age" of  leninism or the new Dughinov's "euroasian" space. Can we be a bit more creative???

Let's put all banksters in jail and issue strict laws in trading&finance, ban corporate relocations and let's see.... 

Beside that, let' teach putin a lesson: we say NO to "people#s refernudm and ethnic cleansing. That how he did it some years ago with checnyans. So hypocrite....

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:18 | 4721135 thamnosma
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Mostly I think the attitudes stem from opposition to the warmongering actions of the US government so anyone standing up to the military-industrial complex is heralded, even if they are also part of a beat-down-the-individual system.   I wouldn't want to live under Putin, but I don't want to live under Obama either.  We are only relatively freer but we are certainly less free than we were a few decades ago and it's getting worse, much worse.  

I view Putin as more of a Russian tsar than a communist.  I also understand why Russia cannot stomach having a NATO country (as in Ukraine) all over its southern flank.   On the other hand, I completely sympathize with the paranoia of Russia throughout eastern Europe, especially the Baltic states and Poland.   However, it's difficult to imagine Putin trying to swallow up those countries as Stalin did.  Different reality now.

The Ukrainian situation looks worse by the day.  And yes, that Crimean referendum was a farce. Then again, NATO and Obama's elections in Libya are a farce.  What they are doing in Syria is a war crime.   It's dirty everywhere.  America is not the place I grew up in and it won't take much for you to see just how a fascist machine has been primed.   What do you think a militarized police force response would be to street protests here a la Greece or Spain?  

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:32 | 4721238 mandea
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NATO is close to Russia for more than 10 years. And? Nothin happened. Your comments regarding USA policies in Liby and Irak are true and correct. But, what has to do with Crimeea and Putin? I do not get it, sorry. We have to make sure, as citizens and tax payers, that it will not happen and is our responsibility.

Putin is not afraid of NATO. He said couple of days ago: we can suffocate them whenever we want. He is not afraid of UE or USA. But he is afraid of his own people. In russia life is very very hard for the common people. After a more than a decade under Putin's regime, nothing changed  for simple russians. Everyone looks for a job in EU to have a better life. I live in Germany and see it and know at least 30 russians close friends. Every and each of them hates putin. So, he is afraid of his own people. What do you give to a poor nation? a sense that they are strong. A power. And invade and conquer. That is Putin' quest. To prove he is tough. Not only by riding tigers and hunting but alyo by conquering

Are we so fool to fall into this shit?  Why was he afraid of Ukraine getting pro-West? Why? NATO coming too close? So what?


If USA was so warmongering, then you would had it in August, in Syria. Nothing happened. Or even now. But, obiously, not even strong sanctions are given. So....?


Fri, 05/02/2014 - 15:31 | 4721474 Peacen1k
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If USA was so warmongering, then you would had it in August, in Syria. Nothing happened.

Man, you have no clue, do you?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 22:17 | 4722785 Aussiekiwi
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'What a joke.......!!! F&%$§ Putin and the neo-bolshevics but long live simple russian people (for whom I have the greatest respect!!)'

Would that include the Russian speaking men woman and chidren currently being burned alive by Kievs far right anti Russain forces in the Ukraine?


Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:52 | 4720997 Winston Churchill
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I've lost track of who is leading who, up the garden path here.
Obozo and secretariat could be abut to get their e tu moment.
Maybe just my devious mind overworking here.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:53 | 4720999 assistedliving
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GGGB10YR:IND 6.13 GFRN10:IND 1.93            

is Olli speaking for the French?  Is French wine 3X's better than

Greek?  Certainly ten times more costly.  guess i answered my own question but point remains.  More sanctions, French bankruptcy will be official.  not good

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:53 | 4721000 juggalo1
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I don't get why the libertarian wing is so high on Putin.  So you don't like sanctions.  What do you propose we do while he invades a sovereign country (again).  Wait until it's a NATO country and then respond militarily?  I don't like sanctions either, but the situation as it stands now is unacceptable, and Putin is the obstacle to direct talks with the interested parties.  No talks, no economic sanctions, where does that leave us between military intervention and nothing?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:59 | 4721040 Dr. Engali
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It's not that we are high on Putin, he is a statist and a thug just as our western "leaders" are,  it's that we are sick of the war mongering liars of the west. Don't forget it was the CIA who helped overthrow the legitimate government of the Ukraine. The west stirred up this hornets nest and now they have people like you either believing it or propagandizing their side of it. 

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:12 | 4721109 combatsnoopy
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Nah, the "statist" set up business friendlier environments for Russia, they are oil rich--- they resolve things without wars which is cost effective.

Putin isn't perfect, but our country's handling of it is beyond embarrassing.  From Hillary Clinton's "reset button", to the Pussy Riot to whomever is paying citizens from Moldavo 30 euros/day to "protest" in the Ukraine. 

All I know is that the US legislators buffed up good exports to China for the benefit of special interest.   Putin and China were supposed to make a deal for natural gas which pipeline would go through China.

Meanwhile obviously for special interest, the  US is provoking reaction sand making trouble for Russia through the Ukraine.  Our gas prices out west is $5/gallon, we're stuck in stagflation....Obama can't handle the Neocons (racists are losers- if he can't handle the losers, he's a joke?)...Putin is out of OBama's league.   

I'm a centrist republican, which is not always synonymous with libertarian.  But I too disagree with the US involvement over there.  

Black people who love Obama have actually shown support of this too.

We need to fix some big problems in the US.   Libertarians are not the only ones who disagree with involvement in the Ukraine.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:22 | 4721179 CrashisOptimistic
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Suppose there isn't enough domestic oil to fuel domestic consumption.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 18:54 | 4722216 Wahooo
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Let Russia have the EU. Every time someone invades Europe we go running to their side. Let them be under Russian control for awhile, won't hurt a thing.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:55 | 4721006 q99x2
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The Totus of Washintton D.C. and the Totus of Berlin have spoken. Brussels wants its pipelines and you are going to pay even if it means the western Banksters don't get another spy satellite to drone you with.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 13:59 | 4721034 Cow
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C'mon, it's just Common Sense.  Everything is.

Common Sense Gun Restrictions

Common Sense Immigration Reform

Common Sense Minimum Wage

Common Sense Quantitative Easing

Common Sense Bombing Children with Drones

Common Sense Lying on Benghazi

Common Sense Health Care Reform

What's wrong with you people?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:02 | 4721052 b_thunder
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From the 2050 Wikipedia history page  on Oli Rehn:

First they annxed Crimea - but Oli isn't Crimean, so he didn't do anything on their behalf.

Then they annexed Ukraine - but Oli isn't Ukrainian, so he didn't do anything on their behalf.

Then they annexed the Baltics -  but Oli isn't from the Baltics, so he didn't do anything on their behalf.

(All this time the USA was begging Europe to do something....  Europe didn't do anything and seriusly peed-off the Yanks)

Then then moved into Western Europe, but there was nobody left to protect Oli. 

That's how Oli Rehn ended up in GULAG.



Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:04 | 4721066 Wile-E-Coyote
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I believe Putin's aim is to drive a clever between Europe and the USA. Long overdue in my opinion.

The US has become everything it despised at its inception.


Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:08 | 4721086 Winston Churchill
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Far, far worse.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:04 | 4721070 Joe A
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Olli uh uh Rehn is uh uh on his uh uh way uh uh out uh.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:07 | 4721083 whidbey-2
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So much for the "sensible".  Now let us get on with it and get out of NATO and forward the bill to the EU, And while we are at it. Let the US get less cozy with the Brits.  Great idea, we can save a forture and be just as secure as ever. And tell them we are listening for other good suggestions.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:15 | 4721131 Youri Carma
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Bottoms Up Line: Sanctions are over and done with, game over

- France Plays Russian Roulette: Why Europe Is Scared Of Sanctions Against Russia
- Pentagon Admits “No Solution” To Replace Russian Rockets To Launch US Military Satellites
- Fitch Says U.S. Limiting Putin Sanctions to Help Bondholders

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 14:21 | 4721169 SameAsItEverWas
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Nu.  So what else is new?

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 15:27 | 4721452 Uncle Remus
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'sensible' European Union citizen

Is that like, you know, an oxymoaron?

Jus' sayin'...

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 16:11 | 4721648 smacker
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Dear Uncle, no it's not an oxymoron. There are still a few of us left with sense, but we're under severe pressure to STFU and join "group-think".

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 16:56 | 4721805 Uncle Remus
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Lot of that going around these days...

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 16:08 | 4721632 Emergency Ward
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Let's have a lot of sanctions and at the same time help Russia upgrade her military capabilities with clandestine sales of modern weaponry.

-- Secrets of the Modern World Order

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 16:09 | 4721639 smacker
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For once Olli Rehn says something sane. He must be planning to retire from the EU.

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 16:33 | 4721732 Jack4952
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What happens if eastern Ukraine (and perhaps southern Ukraine) vote for INDEPENDENCE ?????

The IMF insists that the Ukraine be "whole" under the post-coup Kiev government in order to get the entire $17 Billion in loans, in order to later seize all assets in Ukraiine. (Crimea actually produces comparatively little income, so is NOT financially important and can be let go.)

Today May 2nd in ODESSA (where I live) a RIOT took place between local Odessans and pro-Kiev fascists (who came by train and car from Kiev; and armed with metal pipes and pistols - I personally saw them!). A large number of people died in a fire set by the pro-Kiev fascists, plus a few others were shot to death. Many Odessans were beaten bloody by these thugs with their metal pipes.

The attacks by the Kiev military against the eastern cities and events such as today's Odessa riots are going to cause a CIVIL WAR in which Russia will necessarily intervene.

Most people in Odessa do NOT want to join Russia, but they are MORE OPPOSED to the Kiev government. So, simply to ensure their own safety, they will be forced to request Russia's intervention. That is when the SHTF !!!

-- Jack

(an American living in Odessa, Ukraine)

Fri, 05/02/2014 - 19:31 | 4722342 Bemused Observer
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I won't say I know all about what's going on in Ukraine. But from my own little perch, it really, really looks like the banks targeted this country for wealth-extraction, and got some Ukrainian leaders to agree to the whole "loans to help you out" scam. Some who stood to benefit agreed to sell the country to the debt-holders, probably for their own 'cut', and the plan was that payments on that debt would funnel all of the wealth of their productive capacity directly into some bank accounts for generations to come.

You'll notice I didn't even mention Russia.

Sat, 05/03/2014 - 02:39 | 4723133 matrix2012
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These two recent  posts by Tabarnaque summarized the plot to go in Ukraine and WHY.


"If you read this article you will understand that Ukraine is a manufactured side show to force Europe into quickly signing the TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership)."

Read them here: post #1, and post #2 is right below it... read Saker as well!


Some more links, mainly about TTIP and TPP:


The US plan for the Ukraine - a hypothesis


The corporate endgame: Why you should be concerned about TPP and TTIP






The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership: The TPP’s Corporate-Friendly European Counterpart


TPP & TTIP - Policy Implications Environmental Research Irrelevant




Trans-Atlantic global leadership at stake in Ukraine – Kerry


 . . .  just search "TPP TTIP" for further refs


And here's a CARTOON version:

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